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and today we're here to talk about Stranger Things five
season five. Also a voice cracking there, so that's great.
Five season five, Volume one. So that's what they're doing
releasing this. As I've said before too, I was singing
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who knows what we're talking about. We'll get there. But yeah,
I'll be here for obviously bad date for volume two
because they drop it right on Christmas, so that sucks. Luckily,
usually what happens we did Christmas dinner and then morning
at the in laws, and then we come back. So
if I'm back early enough, we watch it great, But
that'll be sometime that week and then the New Year's
won little easily easier because I got little kids. We
don't usually do too much for New Years. Or I
was like, yeah, my six and eight year old pad, Yeah,
we're gonna stay up. No, no, they're out by ten,
you know, so we'll see. But that one also because
I'm hoping they're supposed to play that in the theaters.
I'm hoping we get that, so TVD. But as far
as ting your things to get ready, I rewatched the
entire show. I don't think I'd watched many of the
seasons other than season one multiple times just because it
was a longer time, But this was I really wanted
to for the final season. Okay, get reffilmated with the show,
and I guess my brief thoughts is I love the show.
I like there's little cons here and there. There's some
seasons that have been and now there's currently. My season
rankings are four to one, three and two. You can
and join our discord. We have a Stranger Things channel.
We're talking all about that. It's funny. I feel like
if anyone's in chat or even watching Half the Fact
does not have two ranked lasts, please call and let
me know and let me know why not saying it's bad,
because I just feel like every even just like random
online person I see, like on Twitter or Facebook, is
like season two last, right, And I don't think it's
that bad. I don't think there's a single season. I
was gonna say below nine. Season two might be an
eight point five, but even then it could be nine.
I didn't really think about it. I was just watching
it for enjoyment. Obviously, when you're not reviewing things, you
kind of watch things in a different manner, right, you're
not picking apart. But no, this show is great. Season
one is a ten, Season four is a ten, and
the other ones are somewhere between, like an eight point
five to nine point five. You know, it's a great show.
Sometimes there might be you know, a Russia storyline, a
placement much like the MC of some humor that might
not work for me in a certain moment where oh
it's supposed to be super serious and we're seeing never
ending story. I was talked them about this with Mike yessay,
like the moment just in the place when of hey,
a bunch of our kids are about to die and
let's break on a song. But on that like it there,
it's a great show. It definitely to me, if they
can stick the landing of the season will be up
there for a top ten show, I guess for me personally,
But to me I also feel like of all time,
because I feel like it is one of those things
where it just obviously became a phenomenon. So it spoke
to a lot of people. But I think for many
reasons the casting, the vision, the cinematic nature of Yeah,
sometimes it does feel like a movie. And I know
somebody being cross rounds go, well, you know this is TV.
That's fine, Like we got Battle of the Bastards, you know,
like like TV has changed. And I'm not saying something
simple as like mash or even breaking beat, right, not
breaking bad simple, but as far as there's never a
set of a thousand people running with swords and sandals
or anything like that, right, but still just if you
have great writing and storytelling, that makes a great show.
And that's what this has, right as all those things
you're looking for and more. If I didn't mention it,
I feel you know, around that time, I felt like
people were getting nostalgic for the eighties. But I still
think this is the best version of that. I think
this happened and we have saw so many just kind
of me versions of the eighties. But to get into
this is they do need to stick to landing, right,
that's I think five seasons. That's five, four to six
is perfect. I've seen some sixes before, so it's like
that case. I think that's the right amount for most shows. Right.
Obviously it's different if you're doing like a sitcom or something.
But for dramatic shows, you know, high drama, four to
six is your sweet spot. I think Breaking Bad kind
of showed that, and there's other shows too, right, but
Bringing Back to Me was like a perfect crescendo, crescendo,
like left right when it needed to. And obviously Stranger
Things has been going on for many years, but that's
because the nature. That's because the schedules, all that stuff,
and that's never bugged me. It's never bugging out. The
kids getting old the sis Harry Parks like, so they
get older, Yeah, sure, do they look a little older
with their high school backpack sometimes? Sure? But whatever, it's fiction.
We at one point fucking had movies where thirty five
year olds were playing sixteen year olds. Right, Like, we're
in a much better off state. So love the show.
Looking very forward to this season. I actually haven't watched.
I think I watched the first teaser, but I've been
kind of luckily I haven't been on the newscast, so
I've kind of been staying away from them. I've seen
a few things, right, because it's been everywhere, but so
so far, my quick nonsport thoughts, I've enjoyed the show
quite a bit so far. I think it's going to
be tough because it's one of those things that we're
so used. Other than last year they did split in
a two, but we've got the whole season, so to me,
I can't be like this is justifiable for a great
last season as of right now these four episodes. Yes,
I think it's doing a great job as far as
giving lots of moments to the characters we've known. They've
done the classic stranger things as you meet a couple
new ones. Even older characters that were around are getting
more spotlight. I think there's some great big moments, there's
some scares everything. There are some good like kind of
family or relationship dynamics and drama. It's hit everything that
it does the same I did before. It's doing the
same as far as the same amount of quality, so
that's great. There might be a few story issues that
nothing's negative. I wouldn't say story issues story things that
aren't negatives. It's just kind of I gotta wait and see, right,
just like every other show. So that's why i'd say
so far, I really have no critiques. There's one storyline
that I was like I don't know if I need
this for the whole show, because we've gone a lot
for it. But at the same time, it kind of
looks like it's it's winding down a little bit so
and there was an asset. Oh, I don't know if
I like that. But again, next episode comes up going Okay,
I'm fine that I'm fine. Before we're going I like
what we're doing. So no, I think if you are
a fan for the non sports, because we're gonna get
right in the spoilers. If you're a fan of the
show as right now, these four episodes are you know, fine,
not fine, but I mean like you're good, like you
don't have to worry. Also, we haven't seen the next
two in the finale because the finale could pull the
Game of Thrones or something like that, right or a
Dexter becoming a lumberjack doesn't matter, and the you still
gotta win the game in a sense, right, And you
can touch that ball right before the drop for the
U my god, I forgot what the Oh my god,
I forgot. It's a backfield of touchdown. Oh my god,
end zone. You can drop the ball right before you
get in the end zone, right We've seen that with
countless of big shows. I have faith they're gonna do it,
but you you never know what's gonna happen. But so far,
I think we're on the right trajectory. I think there's
one thing that, like, I think I can say this
in a minor spoiler way, it felt like last season
ended with holy Man, we're getting in the shit of things,
where this show picks up right away like things are
kind of good. They're still doing a lot of missions
and looking after stuff. But I felt like it's kind
of maybe the show that in previews felt like a
little if you were to watch season four right into
five like I did, it feels like you almost look like, oh,
you're going to war right away, and not really. There's
kind of a cool down. There's a time jump and
it's like oh, and they give like some off like
off well, I guess the thing happens off screen, but
some reason of why they're kind of everything's a okay
right now. But yeah, there's some changes with the characters
that I'm really enjoying what they're doing with Dustin. But yeah,
that's my non spoils not con go and use most
of up so we'll talk about spoilers because I'm sure
everybody listening has probably watched the four Bite now, but
here we go if you haven't seen it. That's my mortal thoughts.
So far. We're going good, some great stuff in there,
some stuff. I'm excited to see how it plays out
because I'm you know now, I'm sure of it, but
just kind of see. Okay, I can't fully judge it
till we get there, right, So yeah, as right now,
that's my non supports thought. I gotta give you a second.
If you want to get away, I guess I could
take an ad break right here, which I'll do, and
we're back, okay, full into spoilers. So that's why I
was talking about where last season ended with the earthquake
and the world's part, and they did say it was
just an earthquake, right, But at the end, Elle's looking
up at the sky. It's red, there's lightning everywhere, there's
like dragons, not actually right, but it just looks like
it looks like hell has literally opened up here in
Hawkins right where you know when we pick up, Not really,
I think like people are still going to school. They're
under quarantine for sure, So life is different, but they're
still like going to school. There's still like little kids
are planning play dates and sleepovers. That was kind of
I won't say negative, because I think we're getting into
the thick of things right away, and it feels like
we're gonna escalate to that point. But it kind of
felt like with the last seasons, it's always hey, a
few characters know what's going on, and then more and
more learn about right, and then at the end of
the season four it kind of felt like, oh, everyone's
gonna know about it, and it's just you know, the
door hinges are off where they did do that thing
where they pull back, go no, we don't want to
get into that right away. I kind of understand. I
feel like, what we're an episode four when this ends,
there's three more, I think it is, even though like
episode two or the finale is like two hours, right,
so it's almost like two episodes together, so let's just
say we're halfway. Kind of feels like we're going to
that point, but I don't know if Forever even got
to get to that point where like everybody knows right
still might just be a crisis or an earthquake, which
I was kind of hoping wasn't the case. But that's fine.
That's not a be all end all for me. So
that happened. We pick up with our characters. I really
like what they got going off Robin. She's his DJ host,
but she's because the characters are working on the governments there.
They've shut down really like this aspect where they have
government people actually in the upside down with labs set
up one. I gotta think that has to be like
the worst job, Like I hope you're getting paid well
and great benefits. Imagine if your job is not only
to like it's bad enough, like, hey, you know where
these beasts are coming from and all this crazy sci
fi magical shit, Yeah, you're gonna work around it. You're
working in it. You're going through this hole and working
in it. And that's where we've got to the point
where now the government's going in there trying to I
think we don't know exactly the folks into what they're doing,
but they're doing government stuff, right, And that's something kind
of like the Russian story. Yeah, the Russian Russian storyline
from last season where I didn't hate it, but the
problem with the storyline was you never thought Hopper was
not gonna be found and he was not gonna get back, right,
So there was never any real intrigue there of like, oh,
what's gonna happen. It just kind of felt like we
need something for Hopper and Joyce to do this season.
We can't have them with the kids, or don't want
them with the kids. Let's do this right. So this
doesn't feel like that per se, but it just was
with even though it's you know, still seven you know,
eight nine hours whatever, let's just say nine hours, you know,
rounding out with some minute half an hours, fifteen and whatnot.
Let's say it's nine hours of content. That's still not
a lot of time with the amount of characters we have.
We have so many characters now, and that's the thing
we're talking about our discord about who could die, et cetera,
that type of stuff. I really don't need anyone to die,
right I'm somebody I think it was Finn Wolfard or
somebody that said, oh, you know, our show's not like
Game of Thrones. I wish we kind of have some
bigger moments are lost up here for that shock value.
And for me, I'm not saying people can't die in
a show like look at Dexter. That was huge, but
I've also seen or Game of Thrones. There's two things
Game of Thrones. One sometimes it felt like too much
like shock value, and two I kind of got disengaged
from the show because for a while, I feel like
almost every character that was my favorite was going right.
So it's like, there's certain characters I feel like had
more meat on the bone, and I get that's the
idea of a shock death, but to the point where
it felt like it was hurting the story right. I
think Game of Thrones recovered, but there's still some things
I go about and say. Thing with Dexter. When that,
I'll just say that big death happens in that show.
I thought, oh, this is going to change the show.
This is going to guess on a new wave length,
this is gonna be right, And this happens for a
lot of shows, but I'm just using shows that I love.
Nothing changed with that show, and it actually got worse,
and the death kind of created a few holes where
it's like, well, this doesn't work, this doesn't work. So
I've seen it before where shows the death can hurt
them other than you're getting that big moment of trending.
Oh my god, you can't believe in Like, look at
Eddie Dyan last year. Great scene, but that and sure
I would have loved Eddie stick around. But I agree
with that character death. And as we're in full spoilers,
I don't even think they're dead because they're like, well,
she's recovering, he's in a coma. But when we were
losing Nancy and Mike's parents, I'm like, these are kind
of the deaths I want, Like, I don't really want
to lose any of the main kids. I'm not opposed.
That's not my personal feelings of character is not gonna
make me an f right, Like if they kill eleven,
I'm like, oh, that's a fail season. It's not purpose season. No,
they can do that. I'm just saying, these kids have
been through the shit since will I when missing. They've
not like that's where people go, Oh if they all survive,
I can see. Oh they all survived all these years.
Some of the got through it. It's like one they
lost multiple people that they were friends with, right a
Barb and Eddie whatever, Bob right I think his name
was Shawn Assen's character, Like they've lost people they care about,
and that's just fucking still childhood trauma. Like you could
not go through all that and still be like, man,
life's great. Hey. So for me, it's like these people
have been through enough. And there's a moment where Mike's
talking about which I'm worried him. Eleven are talking about,
Oh is very lord of the Rings, right right, Lord
of the Ring, right, Lord of the Rings? Like right,
he's talking about D and D, which I don't play.
But the idea of you know, usually have to request
too much has gone on for the characters and they
don't go back much like Frodo in Return of the King. Right,
he can't go back to the Shire, which just things
have changed, he seemed too much. And he's kind of saying,
but they kind of go to this like magical place
with waterfalls. He said, we might not have the waterfalls,
but we could have that magical place of us being
together finally happy. And that's the same thing like what
eleven maybe got one year of happiness. I don't know
the time between season two and three. I think it's
a year, if not, you know, whatever, that time Aloge
because even season two, sure she's alive and not being
hunted the whole time, but her and Hap have a
tension fit relationship, and she's also lying, you know, not
being around a friends. She wants to be around her
friends where she's not happy, where at least season three
for a little bit before you know, they start fighting,
like she's in love with Mike. She has friends at
the school, they have a good friends group wearing season four,
she's getting bullied right season three she becomes friends with Maxine,
had that great scene where they go shopping. So it's like,
I don't want her to die per se, Right, I
think with this and the show so far which they're going,
it's I'm still out of fifty to fifty deadlock. I
think if anyone's gonna be dying, it was gonna be
hurt and I because I thought it was her Hopper,
I don't think it's both of them. But you know,
I saw on this score, Mike did give out a
good point that even though we did or we did
just get that kind of fake death in season three,
would they actually kill them. I don't know, And I
could see the whole thing where it's some sort of
gimmick where all we can't close that it's tough because like, oh,
we can't close this down out eleven dying. But they
kind of did that in the first one, right, I
would almost kind of like a fake out death and
you think that's it and she is alive. Some people
might not like that, and not even like season one
where it's like, oh, so many years fin like right
away it's like, oh, we're we're there, right, And that's
the problem where a lot of characters have had a
fake death moment. So I'm completely fine with them and
going into that, and I guess I will get back
to Robin, but with Will and how this ended. He
pretty much has like eleven like powers. He's feeling the
bumps as he has the other seasons. But we literally
see in this one where he starts to see through
the Demigorn's eyes, he's starting to stop them, and then
the one of I guess it was the last scene
of this volume, he lifts them up and breaks the
arm and kills them like Vecna's doing the other ones, right,
And that to me all makes sense. He wasn't experimented
on a lab, but the way Vecna's putting stuff into children,
which is that flashback, Sure he got some iffyd aging.
But flashback where Vecna's chasing Will and he gets them
down and he puts like that thing in his mouth
and it's like putting whatever in there, and it's Will's
like a little little kid, really fucking gross like deserving stuff.
Like it's the visual of it being a little kid
like man like this is. And that's something where Vecna
is like a Freddy Kuger like right, And that's why
it makes it more scary or more disturbing because he's
going out for children's you know, and teens, but children
as well, so it's sticks with you. It's gross stuff.
And to me that all works. Where they're telepathically linked,
Vecna has put a little of himself in him, so
he gets those paws like that all works for me,
like it all to me, that all tracks. It's kind
of like Vecna's like baking his cake and eating it too.
Like he's sharing his gifts or skills or powers with
people so he can do these things. But you can't
just expect them not to get this stuff right in
this whatever world the upside down, So all that works
fine with me. Will have powers works fine. When Will
was getting those powers they gave him this massive kind
of montage of seeing friends and classic stranger things stuff right,
like channeling the people who care about the moments you
care about. It's his mom, it's Jonathan, who I could
not remember his name forever last night for a while,
it's it's Mike all that stuff right, and he's seeing
those powers. To me, I don't think he dies because
that montage was death montage that like that acted the
same way as if you're saying goodbye to a character
and that didn't happen very much like Sadie sings, you know,
running up that hill one where she's running and you
see everything with oh god why. I also forgot his
name to her boyfriend I can't remember there. But so
I don't think Will's dying, Eve though I thought Will
was gonna die when this show started. I thought it
was gonna happen and and so far now and I'm
liking the story of he's using Robin. It's kind of
a con to it because obviously they revealed last season
that he is gay. Obviously Mike is not gay. So
I gotta pull up because that's spugging me about the
name for Caleb there, but he is not gay. But
it's this thing of he saw Robin with her girlfriend
and then she kind of noticed, like, oh, he's not
just like watching because he's a young boy or curious
in that way. He's watching because like that's something he
longs for. Lucas, my god, that's something he's longing for, right,
And she gives him this pep talk and they use it.
So I liked it. I like that as far as
embracing herself that led to him getting these powers and
among other things too, right, but I'm completely fine with
him having the powers. It tracks for what they've set
up in the show so far. I think it will
be funny because it kind of gives him a purpose,
which at times will has I think retroactively. They're doing
a lot of flashbacks, which is good. Like even Vecna
in this episode says like, oh, the reason I used
you and the reason it works so well is because
you're super weak. And they show a bunch of stuff
in season two where he's ripping up photos because they
kind of did the storyline where a lot of the
other friends had their own thing going on, right, They
like Dustin and Lucas were interested in Max. Mike was
trying to find Elle all the stuff, right, he and
his brother had Nancy. All this stuff was going on,
and he was kind of lost. So it makes sense.
And also he was, yeah, not suffering, but in suffering
a way as far as not being able to reveal
his true intentions about who his self is as far
as being gay. Right, So that's the thing where it's like,
it's not that he's weak, it's kind of that thing
of if you have something to fear or if you're scared,
and that's what he was. He had a lot of
that stuff going on where the others were a bit
more confident because of the situation. So but that's why
I like the flip, right, because is using that weakness
against some but then he gets to use that weakness
against Vectna as far as oh you picked me, you
gave me this stuff, well, too bad, I get to
use this, So I think it gives him some purpose.
I think it also helps as far as the good
guy's winning, and that's what it's saying. So I really
think that if like right now, I think for kids,
they could go full and just kill a bunch of people, right,
I hope they don't. I don't think that's deserving this show,
I think, because that's the thing where even with Game
of Thrones, all those characters were adults, so they still
had a life. When for battles that they won, got drunk,
fucked men, fucked women, all this stuff. A lot of
these characters were like what eight to sixteen, like, their
lives has not started. They've had a shit life. That's
why I thought Harper could go. But you know, as
we talked about the discord, yeah, maybe not, because they've
kind of already done that recently in the show's history. Right,
So I still worry for Elle. I still worry it'll
be some sort of you know, Vecna exists and he
exists so or she exists at the same time, so
they got to go together. I want her to get happy.
I want her to be happy. I like her motivation
this season two because there's a lot of seasons where
she's been quiet, or even season four, right, she kind
of regressed and that was the point in the story.
But she kind of regressed that she lost her powers
and she was being bullied and lost. Not this wel
she's determined. She wants to go and fight. She's practicing
every day too much. She's wanting to get out there
so much. She's kind of maybe lying to Hopper, maybe not.
I think they did reveal that Hopper was lying that
she didn't. She did actually beat the time. But this thing,
as far as she wants to go out there fight,
it's no more of oh, is Vecna gonna get me?
She wants to get Vecna. When they go the upside down,
her and Hopper, they well, they both go separately, but
they meet together. She just wants to kill them. She
wants to kill Vechna, but not Hopper like Vecna, like
she is out for blood. Right, So I like this motivation,
and it's kind of this thing of your whole life
has been you know, off see other people, Popa, all
the other fucking science people. But her whole life has
been engineered and messed up by specifically, you know, like
the last few years Vecna. Right. So to me, this
makes it I like current Hopper back together. I like
that they did that right away, right, because that's the
other dynamic she has closely next to Mike. So obviously
we didn't get that all of season four. They are separated.
Broom put them back together, and they stuff great chemistry.
A great father and daughter but kind of soldier. At
the same time, they're talking about Harbor and they're like,
you know, him losing his daughter and him fully giving
that story to l now about why he's so protective
of her and whatnot. So all that stuff is good.
Working the military stuff and they experience like like, I
love a little of Hamilton, but when we're it's only
a quick scene, right, But when we're going into this
lab and she's cut things open and they're talking about
things and military stuff, I'll have seen the seasons done.
Like to me, I really think like, even like it's tough,
because it's still well written. That's why, even like the
Russia stuff, it's always well written. So it's never like,
oh I don't enjoy this and it's poorly written, so
big time strike against the show. Right, It's not it's
like when he has to deterrogate that guy, he sits
down l and it's about five minute scene of why
the guy won't give him For me, it is well written.
It's just that I'm not too interested in the army
stuff because we have so much of it. Right, If
they're just there as bad guys hunting them down, great,
I kind of hope because what happens to the end
this is Vecna popped out and I don't know what's happening.
I guess because the base was going on at one
point they almost insinuated that the army was keeping Vecna. Now,
don't get me wrong, I get it, we'll get to
the imaginary friend thing. I get it that. It's like, oh,
Vecna can find a different way to get out and
do all these things. I don't know. I still like
to imagine that Vecna is so powerful that he's not
like being withheld by the eighties American government, right, or
even I guess our government. Like there shouldn't be something
where it's like we've locked him that should be saved
for l Will and some of maybe the other characters
we're gonna talk about, right, that could have some similar powers.
So to me, when that subplot was going like, oh,
they got him locked up, it's like, I don't even
know Vecna locked up in a thing, and that seems
like it's gone. Seems like he's out messing around and
that's fine. I just feel like, Okay, he came out
of this portal killed a bunch of people. Don't know
why he didn't kill Joyce, like complete plot armor, right,
he goes there, He's pulling pins from grenades, he's throwing
fire people. There's this great shot of his guard's climbing
and then boom, like his claw goes right through his face.
Really disturbing stuff, but it's this thing of he's wrecking
shop to everybody, and arguably other than the guns, Joyce
runs up, like you leave my son alone and you
just force pushes her away, right, Arguably, if you're wanting
Will to be super weak, you would probably take her
out right because that would mess him up. Maybe the
ideas you don't want to because I would fire him up.
But still just feels like why do our characters, the
band characters only get force push but they have everybody
else And I know why, right, But it's just like
from a point in of view of the show, I
wish maybe he would just kill like a couple of
people off the bat and then force push a bunch
of guards away. But you know, back to the original
point him doing all that, and then Linda Hamilton was
like like, this is this thing where it's like I
don't know if I need the dynamics of her being
like I'm looking for you, because I thought I was
very happy that I know they did this with Oh god,
Paul Wiser right when he was like on the eleven
good side. I think he's dead. Now maybe I'm wrong,
soone canna let me know. But when she's like eleven
and Lena Hamilton bump into each other because they have
these like sonic wave things that create, you know, stop
ELL's power. So she stopped for a little bit this
upside down the Army camp, She's like, oh, I've been
looking for you. And the way she said it, I
was like, oh good, it's literally just gonna be like, hey,
we fucked up, We're cleaning up, we're gonna end this all.
We need your help to stop it, and like no twist,
no turns on nothing, but nah. She starts threatening al
and then her and David Harbor, which have a fun
fight scene but have a fight scene, said something like
I don't need the Army as that an imposing man
like like and I'm even fine with them our main
character sneaking around doing this stuff. I like back to Robin,
as I said at the beginning of this cast, I like
Robin's as this radio show host who's because they are
all working together, but they don't always want to be together,
so people don't know what they're up to because obviously
they have a history at the government. So she's sending
like like secret she'll play Diana song and give people
of Hawkins facts about the song, but she's dropping numbers,
so it's coordinates or whatever it may be. Right, that's great,
and I'm fine with that. At the beginning, I kind
of wish and that's what I'm hoping. So that's when
I'm waiting to see that this point where Vecna just
fucked up everybody, like Team Stranger Things Kids and Team Army,
where they're just like, you know what, enough bullshit, let's
stop lying, Let's stop having to sneak around, Let's stop
having to be like, oh, they're gonna kill you, l like,
just drop all that. That's kind of what my hope
was going to be where I always understood the other
seasons where they did this stuff the upside down. They're
trying to contain it. They don't want to get out,
so we got to catch eleven at our friends because
we don't want to get up, and then it's gonna
fuck everything up, right, last season, when the whole sky's
red and everything's going to shit. That's where I thought
it would kind of go away, because we like, oh,
we just have to work together because now Armageddon is
here and we haven't got to that place yet, and
I'm hoping we do. I'm hoping with the small little
hopisms they showed Linda Hamilton, that is just gonna be okay,
let's use all your resources, our resources. That's it. Vecna
is going to kill us, he's shaking our children. He's
just throwing more demogrons than ever. Let's get out there.
So that's where for me, it's way and see the
army stuff. If it is just more of the rest
of the season and than after our friends. We've done
this every year, even in the first season. If it's
the cops, like every year it's an authority versus the kids,
like it's my complain with Mission impossible. How many times
can Ethan Hunt get framed and then be like it
must have been an Ethan Hunt, Like after the sixth time,
you might go, you know what, he's probably didn't do it.
Everyone keeps framing him and guess what, He's never the
bad guy. I do appreciate it one movie they did
do the whole Like, you know, he's been framed so
many times and we've believed that maybe he's pissed off, right,
but I'm I'm kind of with done with that, so
it's my week. It's kind of like My Russia this season,
right where it's like the army stuff. I don't need it,
it's not there much, but if so many characters still
would rather give it to other people's time when we're
saying goodbye to them here, right, So we'll see. Sorry,
audio listeners, I took a I should have warned you,
but at least it's keep you on your toes because
for a second you stopped you like, did my music stop?
Did my iPad? Sock? It's just me drinking. So we'll
see with that. But all the eleven stuff good so far.
I only had the one scene with Mike, So that's
another reason why I'm thinking that she could survive, right
her micro spend too much time together. Yeah, like my
pink hat here, Victoria's secret sand hat one of my favorites.
Also just because like messy hair day for your boy.
So what's another thing? Oh, so the imaginary friend thing.
So this is where it's tough when these characters have
been through it. I had seen this before. I guess
this was the trailer and I saw people being It
was on my timeline of like this fucking guy better
not be vecnam. I'm completely fine. The story makes sense.
Kids have imaginary friends. This is another way to get
to them. Good for the actor getting more faced. Some
theme too, doesn't have to be covered in the makeup
and ky jelly, which I learned, So you know, that's interesting.
But so I'm five all that. It's a good trope.
I think the only thing for me was I feel
like it's it's not an overall because they give Mike
a great moment where he's planning one and he seems
like him and Nancy are almost it's like him, Nancy,
Joyce and Hopper our team captains, you know. So I
like that. But when he sits down with his sister
Holly right, which I always that's why I do love
about the shows. These kid actors get older and they
get a little better, and like, yeah, you get a screen.
Now we get to put you through lots of stuff,
and it's smart to use Holly right. She's seeing imagine
my friend that reveals to be Vecna. That's the two
things where he's it's mister God. I can't remember the name,
but he like he's telling Holly about, oh, I'll save
you from the monsters that are coming, and she tells
us the mic like I got this. It's not mister
fix it, mister what's it? I think it's mister what's it?
Like I got this friend, mister Whatson. He's telling me
all this stuff. He' telling me he's gonna protect me
and the monsters from Hawking. And that's where I get it.
But the same times, like, yeah, there's no monsters whatsoever.
I get you're trying to protect her. But he kind
of clocks its like almost like nothing has happened, in
my opinion, like the way he acts. I mean, that's
a good act for when Finnwolf, but for me, it's like,
in this world where you've seen so much going down,
You've seen Moss, you've seen powers, all this stuff right
the upside down, you know not gonna clock that. You're
not gonna be somewhat worried that something's going on. And
then even later on, once he realized, oh my god,
that must be something happened worrying about the monsters. He
jumps to that must be someone trying to help her.
Who could be he and then tells Nancy and they're
about like, yeah, who could be able to help her?
And like they don't ever think about the possibility of
what if this is Vecna, what if this is Henry?
Like what are this fucking rounds? I feel like this
is stuff that season one for sure, Season two and three, okay,
a bit of stretch Backay, I could believe that once
through season four and five, Mike and Nancy should know
a little bit better, especially Mike who was on this
track right away. So there's a couple of things that
I think we're a leap as far as your sister's
sound about this. And you're not even gonna get to
inquire about it a little bit like right away that
should have been okay, he starts looking into it. Maybe
he's too late, right the imaginary friend gets her to
a point where he figures it out and that's gone
after the fact. And to not even I'm not saying
you have to go right away, Thatchna, but to not
even consider what if it's someone playing tricks because they
would have talked to I imagine, like I don't know
the whole time, but their friends and with the stuff
Max went through, I feel like they knew she was
seeing people that weren't there, right and other people, and
I don't know, it just feels like they could have
figured that one out. But I digress. That was a
little stretch. But I don't mind the imagine every friend thing.
I like that there's this new method of Okay, I'm
gonna get kids, and I think his kind of idea
is I'll see what he was doing last season directly
with the teenagers and just kind of tackling wasn't working.
So let's go back to basic. Let's do like we
did with Will and get the kids. But let's just
get kids plurals. Not just let's get one kid and
use them as a vessel. Let's get multiple, right, And
that's where I love highlight character. I could see why
someone might be annoyed Derek. I'm loving right now. I'm
loving this guy, mouth breeder, the douchebag, the dipshit. I
like that it's a character which happens sometimes, right. But
I like that, Okay, Will's having these visions and sees
the next target is Derek, and of course he's the
kid at school that everybody fucking hates, which is just
like a fun thing for the kids, right, And then
they devise his plan, like, okay, they gotta get Derek.
They're looking all these scenarios and go, okay, well, the
only way we could do it is we got to
knock out his entire family and then we got to
kidnap him. And I love when they're starting to explain
this plan, and luckily Erica the sister is friends with
the daughter so that they get in. They give her
pie when they explain, and oh man, this is a
great shot where Erica it's her friends. She's like crawling
and she's tired. Erica says, a needle just viciously like
takes her up. I love how like mini vicious Erica
is like throughout the whole show, but especially already in
this season. But just this plan to abduct Derek is great.
When he wakes up, Joyce is they're trying to explain
to him, but he just thinks he's like a full
and stranger danger situation. But now he's part of the crew,
and I like that he's like a level loser. He
feels again very eighties coded, very like Christmas story esque,
like he's in an little Kid, right, but now he's
the delightful Derek's and he's trying to pump himself up
right because probably he's been a little jerk asshole a
couple of times and now people are his friends. So
and maybe because I was that way, I'm always cheering
for the like the little back, right. I was a
big fan of Mike and they had series, you know,
so I like these trying me a hero and the
idea is now the government's gone, Okay, a kid went missing,
just like Will and all our characters put that together eventually,
which I thought was a little weird thing where he
went missing November three, Will went missing November sixth, and Luke,
it's like, that's three days when Will went missing. There's
no coincidence. I don't know why they just didn't have
it like November six like just like like on the
exact same day. I get it. It's still a coincidence,
still November. It still works. But I just thought, why
not just making the exact same day and then right
away your characters not But that's fine whatever. Maybe there's
a reason, right, and that's thing. The strange things. They
reveal a lot of stuff. So they they do this
and they have this plan where Okay, all these kids
are now just the government's abducting them. They're doing it
the right way. But their idea is okay, well, this
girl wouldn't saying Holly, just like will all should happen
after this happened all either we can't let this happen
anymore kids, or even happens. We kind of like want
to see what's gonna go down, right, So they have
this plan. We're gonna knap all these kids on a button,
not kiddnup. They're gonna take all these kids separating from
school their parents, put them in the military facility right
and ended with them all getting kidnap, which I thought
was a great, like great thing. So Tony said it
was an epic season so far. I guess you could say, oh,
let's hope the rest of episodes are. And I think
the finale of volloume one was where that's a great
thing for our characters to lose. That's where to me,
I would prefer it where I don't need Will Joyce
Hopper All getting killed volume one night now we're going
for revenge. I think then abducting two dozen over two
dozen like little kids that are anywhere from eight to twelve,
that to me is scary motivation. That's good enough motivation,
and that's fucked the motivation where it's like, yeah, I
just want to see them succeed. I don't need to
see any of them die, right, And that's dark enough.
So but that's how did ennefred to mention where not
only did Will get his powers, but Vecna piece out
of there. Seems like he's free, he's more juiced and
bolt up, but he's also got all these kids, so
I guess the idea is just to use them his
vessels and get stronger and stronger. Right, So I think
that was good, But the idea was, Okay, Derek was
supposed to be with these kids, or he can pass
for being with these kids. They're gonna send them in there,
and they have this idea where they are going to
go under the army base, like make an exit way
and get these kids out of here. Any kid that
have like talk to mister what's it or whatever the
name was. The imagine her friend Derek starts going around
getting intel and they're gonna send them out, and of
course they can send them to a bathroom. There's a
hole install they remove something get the kids out. Of course,
obviously that didn't work because back when I came and
contect them. But at the same time, there's a one
kid that just saw that kid like in the floor
of the stall and runs right to the military. So
that's when things go awry, right, But so far the
Derek character liking a lot of the humor. That's good
to hope he doesn't die, and that could be a
character that I don't think, so I think he's gonna
get a redemption arc. So imagine our friends stuff I
liked like in the stuff with and like we talked
about earlier, I was fine they seem alive now. But
I was completely fine with Nancy's parents biting it because
those are characters were like, I do care about them.
I'm not looking for death in the show. But if
something like you do want to have stace, you do
want someone to die, right, so you know the danger
and that's something personal. And that also to me gives
another reason why Mike with somebody leaving hawkings if our
parents are dead, I feel like Holly and Mike and Nancy.
They want to get the fuck out of there for
a multitude of reasons, but just also because hey, our
parents were mutilated here, right, And I thought that scene
was great too. As far as the Demigorn come for
them ripping through the roof, like obviously, I think season one,
season two, there's a few times where the effects look
a little iffy, but they've always looked pretty good. This
season they're looking top notch, obviously because Stranger Things is
hot shit, right, so they're gonna give them tons of money.
But like this season when they're ripping through the upside
down come in great. But the whole moments of them
hid in the bathtub, the flickering, all this stuff, like great,
great scene, the slow motion shout in Nancy's one for
trying with that wine bottle going to town. I don't
know if I actually needed the whole like like subplot
of Nancy and her like her parents are like, they're
not divorcing, but they just like hate each other. Now
She's like, well, you keep drinking, you keep And I
get what they're kind of trying to do. I think
they're trying to say, like it's kind of Calvin fever.
They talk about that how people are getting nuts, people
aren't moving anywhere, they can't go anywhere. But it just
then it's like the army thing in the middle of
all the Especially it's different if it was like season three, right, yeah,
season three with Billy, right where she almost cheated on
her husband with Billy, if you want to do that
in that season, that makes sense because oh, she might
have an affair because she's not happy with her marriage.
We don't got time for not happy with their marriage.
Fact to it's rue stup. There's Demi Gornans all over
the place. We don't got time for this. Right. You
could have done a bunch of other stuff and just
have them regular parents that they get attacked, right, nothing
else is happening, but so far, like in Holy Character,
and I guess to talk about that where I thought
this was gonna be the end of episode four, but
it was the end of episode three. Big revealed that
she gets like he goes to this traumatic event, but
then mister, what's it's like a friend, the imaginary friend, right,
so it's like, I can save you. And then when
he gets her instead of going she's in the upside
down in a sense, right, but not going to the
scary tentacles veins. She goes to like a happy place
where Henry lived, but it's all happy. They have a
montage of her like putting on clothes and playing dress up,
having food and she's just has a Kevin Mcowster, I'm
all home alone, love and life moment, right, And then
she starts to experience. Someone leaves a note for and
they reveal that personally left a note for it was Max,
And we get a little flashback of what she's been
up to where she almost died, but she's kind of
been in this athletic situation and she's been trying to
find her way out of there. At one point she
decided it's impossible, but she did find a place. I
don't think they've fully explained that Vecna is scared of
or can't go. So it's like his forbid zone. It's
his uh god, what is the bridge in Sleepy Hall?
I guess I don't know, just the bridge, Buckleberry fridge,
I don't know, but like no Buckleberry, that's that's the
lot of the rings. But I guess same thing, right,
it's an area that Vecna can't go and Max has
been hiding out out there. There's been times where she's
been closed. There's times where she sees her and Lucas.
She heard the music she heard Kate Bush, which great
line when she's like, oh my Kate, I heard Kate
Bush and that your friends like, well kinda it is
now and it's like the love and the passion of
Lucas and her friends is making that she can almost
get out, but not quite get there because Vecna interrupts her. Right,
I thought it was great and Dreda in introduction, I
think other than the adults, like even I know writer,
I think it's like a fine actress. I think she's
not as good as she used to be. But like
I think the acting in the show is not always
like Emmy Award winning or Oscar like that level. Right,
I think it's there's some performances are and I think
the people do their jobs well, But I think there
is some people that often because they are kid actors
and maybe they you know, they were better than a
lot of kid actors, but they didn't per se like
maybe like other people peers age don't have the same level.
I will say I'm not gonna say any names so
I'll just look it there. But man, and I'll just
generalize it. When Sadie syn gets in and I talked
about this in our discre I talked about this on
a episodeen we're talking about Spiremn rumors. When she gets in,
she's to me, like acting circles around all the people
that are her age are under It's just like it
feels like everyone's like, you know, a kid actor. Like
and again, kid actors nowadays are way much better than
they used to be, right, But I just mean, like
in the sense if everyone feels like in the same ballpark,
maybe a little better, a little uh, you know, a
little worse, kind of the same. But I just mean
it still feels like, oh, they're you know, they're here
because they're these characters we love and that that's completely fine, right,
But Sadie's sink. Man, it just feels like she's a
step above kind of them all. When she came into
that episode, it's like, man, she's out acting kind of everybody.
She's on par with all the adults. She's great. Like
there's a reason why she's inspired man, Aaronofski Films and
all this stuff. Right, It's just so that episode really great,
and I'm excited that. I'm hoping that Max gets reunited
because Lucas gave her the speech about, hey, we really
need you right now. It'll be interesting to see if
she has any kind of like powers or so. I
don't think we need that because Will got that, So
maybe we'll leave that to Will. But the reintroduction of Max,
I'm very happy was not you just they like it
With Bill's wife, I'm happy, wasn't we defeat Vecna and
Matt Matd. Max wakes up like I missed you guys all,
like she's gonna be in the adventure a little bit.
So I appreciate that. And that was good. All that
stuff was working, good, good reveal, and I think that
was smart. Where kicked off with the pilot. Episode two
hit some bad stuff like bad protest stuff going on
three of the cliffhangers Max and then four of the
cliffhangers Will. So I think they're doing a good job
of If it was weekly, I think people would have
been watching. That's what the creators want. But Netflix, in
which I don't really know why they didn't want weekly
this time, it's like, I don't know, you can make
this talking point the whole time, But I digress liking that.
The storyline I really liking, though, I think might be
my favorite is the the Dustin storyline when he he's
still lovable, but man, not only has he been through
some shit, he just hates what happened to Eddie and
what keeps happening to Eddie. That obviously we saw last
season where he's kind of set up as this like, uh,
you know, satanic people, you know, think he was a
warshipper of the devil and everything, but he's not. That's
not the case. He you know, he we saw what happen.
He was an actual, you know hero at the end.
He just caught in a bad place, wrong time. But
I love that he is. Everyone knows, like, hey, you
can't be wearing that hell Fire Club shure because that's
pretty much you just walk walk around with a pentagram
or you know, uh, some sort of cult like stuff,
right because for him and then it was just a
D and D club, but for everybody else, it's that's
a similar devil. He's wearing it proud. He's got a
trench coat, but that thing's unzipped and that thing's going everywhere,
even if it got ripped. It's going somewhere. So I'm
like all that. I'm liking how defined he is. I'm
liking how he's just like he's got Eddie issm's. That's
why I like where it's not like he's just become Eddie.
But there's this moment where he sat down, someone said
something and can give like the double birds, very Eddy
kind of coded. So to me, I'm loving all this
stuff where it's a darker Dustn't. It's Dustin't trying to
be a guy that he idolizes because he is darker.
He's still what I appreciate. He's wanting to help the team,
but he's screwing up a bit more. I didn't need
the whole because at first, uh, what was it? Joe
or Steve called him about something and he's like, ah, whatever,
I don't got time, and they just hud him, like oh,
I don't need a story of He's just like, fucking
I'm done, you guys, figure it out. I've lost too much.
I didn't need that. I like that he's still wanting
to help, but he's also just kind of fucked up
and he's just trying to work through it. And he
doesn't have time, right because they're trying to say at
the world at the same point. And I like that
that's causing him and Steve to clash like a big
brother older brother thing. They completely seem like they want
nothing to do with each other right now, we all know,
and that's why I don't think either of them are dying.
They're gonna make good and like be happy. I don't
think they will recreate the Eddy thing where one of
them lose each other and it's like losing a brother.
I don't think so. I think they'll get a happy ending.
I think that's one that people would kind of not
like if they didn't with each other. I could even
see like them moving in that city and like Steve
taking him while as like a roommate or something like that.
Right Like, I think that's gonna be where it's going eventually.
But I like the system right now. And there's moments
where he's like fighting bullies and they pin him against
a locker and he's ready to punch, like not a
dustin we're used to seeing it at all. And that's
where it's great, where it's a change of character, but
it all feels natural. It all feels like a concurrent progression, right,
and that's some of the great writing of the show.
Bob kat Driver says these episodes were Spielbergian in the
terms of cinematic direction. Duffer Brothers, Frank Drbant, Sean Levy
really get the flex to directing massles absolutely off sly.
It helps because they got a big budget, right, bab
But that's because they've earned that. But yeah, absolutely, Like
Frank Drbant should direct more. To me, Walking Dead was
better when he was involved in season one and two.
I think there's a reason you see a shift. Frank
Drbant obviously done a lot of great stuff. Duffer Brothers.
I'm very excited to see what they do at Paramount,
even though Paramont's getting a little if he was some
of there, Like we're gonna make a reshower four because
the President wants it. It's like, all right, cool, But
like the Duffer Brothers after this, like unless they put
a bunch of stinkers after I'm gonna watch all their
stuff and it's gonna be hard to believe they would
do a bunch of stinkers, right, And Sean Levy, like
a very talented director. Still we talked about in the
discord today where yeah, sometimes does he maybe feel like
a higher type of guy, Sure, but he knows what
he's doing. He's been around the block, so no, I
agree that it feels like and that's what the first
series felt, or the first season especially right, like everybody
looked at this and thought, oh, this is like ambul
and et but horror version. Right, It's always felt like that,
but it definitely does. It feels like that's my Spielberg
I love I love it more than Auster Spielberg. And
whatever we've gone these past few years were don't be wrong,
Spielberg is still making some good degrees stuff. It just
hasn't been nothing's my favorite. I haven't been wild by
anything he's done since War of the World. But definitely,
Bob Cat, they they have that it's just like in On,
It just moves. It moves. Like I said, there might
be the odd time of CG I think might like
stick out, but it moves like such a well oiled machine,
and yeah, you know, it's fantastic stuff. The sorry Bobcat says.
The writers know how to start a scene right in
the middle of the action, and the scene of the
perfect sweet moment without killing the momentum. Really impressed. Yeah,
pacing has always been good, even the moments when they
are setting up at the radio talents then cutting back
and forth between like three locations. I've always impressed where
obviously they just filmed the scenes, you know, Warehouse, Joyce
and Hopper clock tower or like whatever radio tower and
then spice them together. But it's just the how well
they flow. It's just so if it feels almost like
a play at times where they're all there at the
same time, but it's not. It's just very well done.
And they've done that for multile seasons, right, or the
characters cutting in back and forth between dialogue, which isn't
like a new thing, but just they do it very well.
Let's see Mike, I said, right now, this kind of
team leader, he's worried about his fit. Well, I would say, like,
whether it's acting direction or this writing, I think they've
done a bad job of making Nancy feel sad about
the parents. It feels like Mike is not like I
don't know, like I haven't felt the weight of him
losing his parents' potentially right, And I guess I didn't
say that too. I would have been fine as mad,
like bad as it sounds. I don't want depth in
the show, but it's more for our main characters. To me,
those are the characters you could lose. You could lose
the parents be like man, those raised the stakes. So
when they're like, oh, she's a live recovering, He's like,
come on, like eh, maybe it should have just killed them.
You know, this was their moment they found out she
got a good, nice one with Nancy. At the end,
I think it would have been okay if they're dead,
but we'll see what happens. And that's where if they
make it alive, I feel that the entire like I
can't remember what their family's last name is, but they
gotta make it out right so they can be reunited Harley, Mike,
Nancy and the parents. So the other storyline, which I
think would be last one, I'll talk about if anything
else pops up my brain, I'll bring up quickly. But
so we got the love triangle still going on. I
talked about this last season where so season one picks
up with Nancy and Nancy and Steve. It's already like
she's maybe not exactly into him. They're on different wavelengths
and then back half of season one, even though she
stays with Steve, you can tell, okay, she's been on
uh Jonathan, and then two and three is all about John.
Then get Jonathan and them together. Sure they have some moments,
but it's never it feels like they are endgame stuff. Right.
We're then randomly in season four, which I don't mind.
I get the storyline because long term relationship, especially in
that time, right, it's not like us, Like, don't get
me wrong, anybody doing a long term relationship right now,
still tough, still off se spot, but you can call,
you can face time, you can fucking be doing sexual
pleasuring yourselves and looking at each other while you're doing it, right,
not like the eighties where you couldn't just have your
whole phone on you all the time and just contact
that person, right, So that I understand, as far as
the idea of how that puts it apart, I think
what came in surprising to me was Steve back in
the picture because obviously he had a thing with Robin,
but it wasn't the thing because she's gay and that
character's back, which I like, I like that way on that.
I like that's not will they won't they They're still
in the zones. They're dating, they're making out, maybe they're
getting on I know, but I like that. Okay, they're
a couple, boom done. Okay. I don't think she exactly
knows what's going on. But at the same time, that
might not be the worst thing, because we do a
lot of characters already there in the thick of things.
Maybe near the end she can find out. Right. But
it was surprising to me that they put Steve back
in the hole because I think the thing that was
missing was Steve. That's why I liked about the first
season that he was a dick, But near the end
that season he tried to apologize Jonathan, try to do
the right thing where he was. He he was a
deck because he was immature. He wasn't just a dick
or a piece of shit. So now he's kind of
matured out of that, and any of that dick is
is just gonna become like a little cocky or he
makes some jokes, but it's not like, oh he can't
you know Stan Steve. It's just like for comedy reasons
now right for the most I'm there's a few moments
where he might be a little douchey, but it's all
in just nowadays, right, So that's the idea in the concept,
where he's matured and maybe he would be right for Nancy.
And I was surprised for that storyline. I was like, hey,
we're near the endgame. I think they kind of were
hinting season five is the end, and it's like, really,
we're introducing this back. But then at the end of
last season, you know, nothing really happens too much. And
then even though it's a little awkward, her and Jonathan
get back to right together, and Steve, because I just watched,
has this kind of look of like like I missed out,
like almost kind of like Nancy was thinking about it
because he was there, Like Jonathan was gone and he
was there, and it's kind of like a good sec
second option. But with Jonathan, it's like, ah, like now
you're back. Yeah, you're the one I actually do love
and I want to be with you. So that's what
I thought the look was. But the first thing we
have of them this season is they throw it on
a map or Steve gets really close to Nancy and
she like kind of shuffles over because she's like their
bodies are pressed against each other, and Jonathan notes that right,
and episode one is all about them competing their run there,
trying to see who can get to the top of
the tower first, who can be more braver. So I'm like, okay,
like what we're we gonna do here? If it's like
a three way thing, It's like, I don't know if
I because like, I like Steve now as a character
a lot, and I still like Jonathan. I think I
still like Nancy and Jonathan together and I prefer that,
and I know people that prefer the Steve thing, But
if they're doing the whole season, I'm trying to one
up each other. I think in that route, you kind
of just have Nancy go, you know what, this is
a time of our lives, but we're all gonna move
and do different things, and maybe we're just be friends.
And I love you both, but I can't be with
you both unless they're a threutple. I guess right. I
don't think people are doing in the eighties, But like
to me, if they're competing for each other, it would
have gone the way of we're I'm not gonna be
with either of you. We're you know, let's go our
separate ways, be friends, happy that we have each other. Right,
we always come back together like it as adults, and
well we'll have a bond. Right. But now we had
two things where Steve kind of they're they kind of
admitted that he's trying like because the parents got teket,
oh we should go give her flowers and stuff. He
kind of a to me kind of admitted, and Jonathan
clocked it as well as him saying like, oh, the
only reason she's feeling this way and talking to me
and doing these things is because you're not there, which
I appreciate from the Steve character. Still gonna be like, hey,
like I I do or could have feelings for her,
and if you don't step up, I'm gonna But it's
almost like Jonathan to me was saying, she's your girl.
You're gonna win this, but you have to still win
this by like stepping up and being there. If you don't,
I'm gonna win by default. Right. It's it's kind of
like if you're competing in someone like a sporting thing,
and it's like if you know they're better than you,
but they're injured, you got a shock to beat them
and I think that's what he's trying to say was Jonathan,
you're injured. You came back as kind of this like
aloof stoner and you're not present. If you're present, that's
why Nancy's gonna stop talking, gonna be or I'm gonna
stop talking to Nancy. So to me, that kind of
felt like he was weighing the flak. And then we
didn't get much more interaction of him and Johnson with
that stuff, and no interaction of Steve and Nancy, and
then after we found out that Jonathan got a ring.
So that's why for me, I think I'm still in
the camp where Jonathan is gonna step up. There's gonna
be a big speech or moment of him talking about
said things about not wanting to hold her back, because
that was the whole thing right off Jonathan his if
you'll don't remember in season four, he was like, Oh,
I'm gonna hold her back from kind of having this
like massive life, like I'm gonna be an anchor. She'd
just best move on without me, right, I think he's
gonna come to the conclusion that he does need her
and he doesn't want to do those things, and he'll
raise her up and she will reveal because she's never
said that was the case, she will revealed that, no,
I still love you and you're not an anchor, Like
even if I don't have that stuff I got you,
that has to be away because now, if the Ring
wasn't evolved, I'd say it's anybody's game with the ring involved,
It's like, is he gonna propose to Nancy and not happen?
Now there is a situation that he dies with that
ring and she finds out and it's heartbreaking, right, and
she misread the situation where he still loves her. He's
just like a little awkward about it, doesn't know how
to handle these things. It's still like an awkward character
at times. Right, he has evolved, but still he is,
you know, as I said, sometimes and aloof and especially
with the weed, he was going hard in season four,
so maybe that mess him a little bit. So I'm
still leaning that way with the Ring. To me, I
think the scenarios are they make and get engaged, all
three of them don't end up together. He dies with
the ring, Like, I really don't feel the Steve thing's
gonna happen. I don't I don't know. I just don't
feel because it's same thing too, And is that like
a sad ending where Jonathan dies with the ring, she
finds that and she thinks about how much she loved them,
then ends up with Steve. It's like that feels like
you're saying that marriage up to be a little torn, right.
It's like, now you're officially the second option maybe right,
So I hope it's kind of resolved by unless Jonathan dies.
It's like, I hope it's kind of resolved before the
final like them to be in sync. But yeah, well see,
and I'm still I still like the storyline. That one
for me is just I need to see how it
how it all goes, I think, before I can really
judge it, because even last year that threw me for
a loop. I was like, really they're doing this, and
you know, I like Nancy and Johnthan so it's like,
I don't know if I need this, And now I
like this, and I like the way they portrayed as
far as like I said, how far apart you are
and everything, So I think on a second rewatch, it's like, okay,
I can I can see, especially when I watch all
four seasons back to back and you do see Steve's progression.
It is kind of like, oh, imagine that guy that
was your first love. He was a dick, but now
he's like the version you wish he was. Right, It's like, oh,
it maybe would give you pause, right, So I like that.
Let's see Joyce and Opper, you know, I liked to.
I think they just love. They're kissing each other, talk
about how beautiful she is. She doesn't want to lose them. Great.
That all work for me. I'm trying to think there's
anything else, but I think I've hit it all. And yeah,
so far, I'm not gonna rate this because I need
the whole seasons, but so far episodes two thumbs up.
Like I said, you heard like, I have a few critiques,
but all the critique star of the minor degree, Mike
reacting to his parents, the sister thing, some of the
army stuff, but so little things. But I don't even
think that would like if the show can really stick
the landing and be as great as four and five,
I can comfortably give this like a ten. You know,
it's just maybe some big cons happened, right the army
so but even the rush is stuff for me. I
didn't love it, but as I said, it was still
well done for the most part. That's why I could
still give season four ten because it's like, well, from
a enjoyment level, still there. So yeah, we'll see. I'll
be back. So if you like this episode, if there's
anything I missed or anything you want me to hit
on the future, and I imagine in the what we've
been watching on news, we'll probably talk about the show
a little bit more so on newscast we'll get some
the other geeks opinions and everything. But yeah, i'll be
back whenever. Probably review will be if it drops Christmas Day.
I'm gonna say, let's say twenty seven, maybe twenty six,
you never know, but we'll have to see what happens.
So thank you very much for anyone to listen to this.
Everyone that was in the live chat today, I hope
you enjoy things. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Like I said,
I'll be back with the Volume two and Volume three
reviews a day or two after they drop, and then
lots of other stuff on the feed. So I promise
when you hear from us next you don't not be boring.