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Speaker 3: At fifty five KRCD Talk Station. Happy Wednesday, an extra
Speaker 3: special Wednesday because today the return of Day Widiams from
Speaker 3: the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, which you can find online and
Speaker 3: I recommend you do go at protecting Taxpayers dot org
Speaker 3: looking out for where how our dollars are spent, and
Speaker 3: usually they're spent well stupidly. Dave Williams, it's always a
Speaker 3: distinct pleasure to have you on my program Sir, Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Brian.
Speaker 5: I was telling Joe, your producer, off the air that
Speaker 5: I can't wait for the campaigns to end an NFL
Speaker 5: to begin.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just that's funny, you ronicaus. You and I
Speaker 3: had conversations about, in addition to street cars, stadiums and
Speaker 3: stupid stadium deals. And I had our local sports writer
Speaker 3: for the CINCINNI inquired Jason Williams on yesterday talking about
Speaker 3: I guess there's some you know, rumblings and things going
Speaker 3: on about the well it's formerly Paul Brown Stadium, now
Speaker 3: it's pay corpse stadium, but it needs upgrades, and we
Speaker 3: the Hamilton County taxpayers, are going to be on the
Speaker 3: hook for a lot of them. And there was some
Speaker 3: discussion like, well, what if they just build a new
Speaker 3: stadium out in the suburbs And two billion dollars was
Speaker 3: the price tag that was associated with it. And the
Speaker 3: Brown family apparently generates all of its revenue exclusively off Bengals,
Speaker 3: so they're not in the multi billionaire club of folks
Speaker 3: who can actually afford to pay for a large share
Speaker 3: of their new stadium, so kind of puts them in
Speaker 3: a bit of a disadvantage. So they just remodeled the
Speaker 3: locker room, which I don't know if anybody was asking for,
Speaker 3: but talking with the local sports writers and commentators, apparently
Speaker 3: the Bengals players were like, yeah, whatever, it looks like
Speaker 3: a discothech. They spend millions of dollars upgrade in the
Speaker 3: locker room. Hey can I still hang my stuff in
Speaker 3: here and take a shower? I mean, isn't that what
Speaker 3: you want? It doesn't help the fans at all, And
Speaker 3: it came to a huge expense, and I guess the
Speaker 3: Browns decided they were going to pay for that themselves.
Speaker 3: But you know, and I look at a figure like
Speaker 3: two billion dollars, Dave, two billion dollars it is to
Speaker 3: go in, and the price of the ticket, the cost
Speaker 3: of a beers like twelve dollars. You know, a little
Speaker 3: skyline chili coney costs like seven bucks. You can get
Speaker 3: one for like three bucks at the store. It's just crazy.
Speaker 3: And wouldn't you rather be at home within your giant,
Speaker 3: high resolution five K jumbo tron TV and the comfort
Speaker 3: of your own home and your own bathroom, your own food,
Speaker 3: and see the game better, easier, without the headaches and
Speaker 3: hassles of parking, et cetera. I would think, and I
Speaker 3: hate to get down this road, but you know, like
Speaker 3: drones are taking over. I think we're probably going to
Speaker 3: need to buy fewer and fewer full sized aircraft for
Speaker 3: human beings to fly more. People I think are just
Speaker 3: gonna want Why do I go? And I thinks the
Speaker 3: headache and hassle the game, I'd rather watch it your home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can have food delivered to you, you can
Speaker 5: have everything delivered to listen. I would rather sit at
Speaker 5: home watch my team lose, then go to a stadium
Speaker 5: and watch my team lose and feel the disappointment. At
Speaker 5: least I don't have a you know, commute home after
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 4: I'm already there.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to take you down that road, but we
Speaker 3: just came up yesterday just too And that's the norm
Speaker 3: these days anyhow. And how many games do they play
Speaker 3: there each year? Not many. Let's move over to the
Speaker 3: tax there's uncertainty because we don't know if there are
Speaker 3: elected officials and Washington are going to extend the twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen tax cuts or let them fall by the wayside,
Speaker 3: and everybody's taxes go up, creating what you note on
Speaker 3: the Taxpayer Protection website, creating uncertainty, which has got to
Speaker 3: was a real problem for businesses. They need to have
Speaker 3: some idea of where we're going tax wise so they
Speaker 3: can prepare for the future.
Speaker 4: They really do.
Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen was such an amazing year for taxpayers
Speaker 5: because tax reform was passed, and you remember the bonuses
Speaker 5: that went out. Companies expanded their business, they gave out bonuses,
Speaker 5: and I remember Nancy Pelosi mocking saying, oh, one thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Who you know, that's not a lot of money for anybody. Well, yes,
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 5: Dollars, is a few car payments, is a mortgage payment?
Speaker 5: I mean it really makes a difference in someone's like
Speaker 5: maybe not Nancy Pelosi, who's worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
Speaker 5: but it really rev the economic engine. And now those
Speaker 5: tax cuts are expiring, like you said, and businesses are like,
Speaker 5: what are we going to do?
Speaker 4: Guys, give us some guidance here.
Speaker 5: We need to know if they're going to be extended
Speaker 5: and what's going to happen in the next two years.
Speaker 4: And businesses make a lot of decisions.
Speaker 5: They make investment decisions, they make hiring decision based upon
Speaker 5: the economy, based upon the tax code. And that's why
Speaker 5: they want, I know, and that's why there's such a
Speaker 5: high level uncertainty because they don't know which tax cuts,
Speaker 5: if any, will be extended.
Speaker 3: You know what really irks me and I'm glad we're
Speaker 3: having this conversation just because I can observe once again
Speaker 3: that they don't make anything permanent. Why was there an
Speaker 3: expiration date on this? If they want to raise taxes,
Speaker 3: force them to vote to raise taxes. Don't build in
Speaker 3: an end date. And that would give us all much
Speaker 3: greater confidence that the tax rates aren't going to change
Speaker 3: on us.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: And if you notice spending is always permanent, is that
Speaker 5: these programs are never sunseted, that you have a program
Speaker 5: that last time, we have a sugar subsidy program from
Speaker 5: the nineteen thirties, Yet we have tax cuts that are
Speaker 5: going to expire from twenty seventeen. And you're right, it's
Speaker 5: completely opposite of what should be happening.
Speaker 4: And you know, I.
Speaker 5: Would like for them to vote for this, like right
Speaker 5: before an election, you know, vote for a tax increase
Speaker 5: right before an election. Maybe it would really get people's attention.
Speaker 5: I think Congress is at zo.
Speaker 3: Well, and we'll see, we would see how that would
Speaker 3: go over. But you know, I'd just like to see
Speaker 3: something permanent. They'd have the and I guess they have
Speaker 3: an expiration day built in at the outset. Is that
Speaker 3: so they can get votes that the otherwise wouldn't get
Speaker 3: to get the taxes the tax reform in place, or
Speaker 3: is there some other nebulous and okay, so it is
Speaker 3: that And.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of you know, just sort of financial tomfoolery,
Speaker 5: right is that you know they you know, they look
Speaker 5: at the out years and they say well, after twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five, we're going to bring this in the revenue
Speaker 5: into the into the government. Well, we never see an
Speaker 5: out year. I mean out years never happened. It's always,
Speaker 5: you know, the current year. So that's why why they
Speaker 5: do it. It's it's so dishonest with the American people.
Speaker 5: And and again, we have to beg to keep our
Speaker 5: own money. I mean, I don't understand how we have
Speaker 5: to beg to keep our own money.
Speaker 3: Dave, you're talking my language, friend, you are talking my language. Well,
Speaker 3: and as far as corporate taxes are concerned, because those
Speaker 3: those are going to go up fairly dramatically. And it's
Speaker 3: a big lie that the corporations are paying the taxes.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a simple economic reality. It's like if
Speaker 3: you jack the property taxes up for a apartment building owner,
Speaker 3: he's going to pass the additional tax increase onto the renters.
Speaker 3: If you jack the corporate taxes up, they're not going
Speaker 3: to sacrifice the profit margins. They're just going to increase
Speaker 3: the price of the goods and services. So it has
Speaker 3: an inflationary effect on what we buy. We pay the
Speaker 3: increased corporate tax we do.
Speaker 5: And right now, the corporate tax rate is twenty one percent.
Speaker 5: It is not great, but it's a lot better than
Speaker 5: forty percent than what it was in twenty seventeen. Here's
Speaker 5: the problem is that other countries have a much lower
Speaker 5: corporate tax rate and businesses will leave this country. They
Speaker 5: did it before, they did it before twenty seventeen. You
Speaker 5: had Burger King. They went to Canada. Tim Hortons bought
Speaker 5: Burger King. And they call these inversions where they really
Speaker 5: just kind of shift their corporate structure to another country.
Speaker 4: But they sent them a ton of money.
Speaker 5: And what it does is people are laid off in
Speaker 5: this country and it really hurts the revenue coming into
Speaker 5: the government.
Speaker 4: So it's a no when situation.
Speaker 5: And again you said it perfectly, is that companies don't
Speaker 5: pay taxes, consumers do and the economy that's who suffers
Speaker 5: most notably.
Speaker 3: And then there's the corollary to the tax rate being
Speaker 3: high and companies moving elsewhere, and also the cost of labor.
Speaker 3: I mean, why do you think China end up building
Speaker 3: so much manufacturing or building the manufacturing base over the
Speaker 3: years is because they have cheap, sometimes slave labor that
Speaker 3: can make products and without the you know, pesky things
Speaker 3: like EPA mandates and edicts. Osha, Oh my god. You know,
Speaker 3: just businesses. International businesses go wherever it is they can
Speaker 3: build their products or provide their services for less money.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the regulatory overburden we have here in the
Speaker 3: United States, which is an enemy to productivity here and
Speaker 3: investment in America in and of itself.
Speaker 5: You know, at times we don't want to win the
Speaker 5: race to the bottom. This time we do with the
Speaker 5: corporate tax rate. We want to that's a wellfs corporate
Speaker 5: tax rate to bring as many businesses in. And listen,
Speaker 5: they came back in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. They came
Speaker 5: back to the country because they saw a better economic
Speaker 5: better economic conditions here.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it. And I think COVID woke us
Speaker 3: up to the reality that we better start manufacturing our
Speaker 3: own stuff because if we get into a serious war
Speaker 3: with China, we aren't going to have anything here.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Dave, let's pause, and I am I'm puzzling over our
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Speaker 3: of Protectional Lige you can find on a line at
Speaker 3: Protecting Taxpayers dot org. Dave, I'm inclined to read a
Speaker 3: quote from your article about fecal transplants deserving light squeeze
Speaker 3: regulatory approach that the headline. Here we go. Here's a
Speaker 3: good setup for you segue into what you're talking about. Quote. Alexandra,
Speaker 3: sixty six year old retired woman at ec was defrosting
Speaker 3: a piece of human feces that she purchased over the Internet.
Speaker 3: Her goal was to reduce the stool into a sloshy,
Speaker 3: biologically rich mixture, which could then be easily transferred past
Speaker 3: her rectum and into her colon. She laid there, allowing
Speaker 3: her homebrew liquid fecal elixir to seep into her enterns
Speaker 3: where she hoped it would bloom new life into her
Speaker 3: troubled guts close quote Wow, how did that make How
Speaker 3: did that make it? Into the Taxpayer Protection Alliance reporting?
Speaker 3: Dave Williams, you wrote the article, let's drive, let's drive
Speaker 3: into this.
Speaker 5: I wrote the article, and someone actually edited this and
Speaker 5: didn't take any of this out.
Speaker 4: That's the miracle of this op ed.
Speaker 5: And you know, Brian, the science is evolving in ways
Speaker 5: that we just can't comprehend at this point.
Speaker 4: Jane, replacement therapy. Now we have people transplants where.
Speaker 5: People are are really seeing the benefit of these new procedures,
Speaker 5: and the FDA is not. And the FDA is putting
Speaker 5: roadblocks in every place possible to stop these new products,
Speaker 5: these new procedures from coming to the market. And they're
Speaker 5: scientifically proven, these things are working.
Speaker 4: And the FDA is not allowing that.
Speaker 5: Now, the FDA receives billions of dollars and user fees
Speaker 5: and taxpayer money, they should be the catalyst for.
Speaker 4: These products, for these procedures. They are not.
Speaker 5: They are putting up roadblocks wherever they can, and it's
Speaker 5: hurting the American people, it's hurting consumers, and it's hurting
Speaker 5: patients like this sixty six year old woman.
Speaker 3: Well, and as weird as what I just read sounds,
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I have read. I mean, it's been
Speaker 3: going on for several years now. I have been all
Speaker 3: kinds of studies where one of the problems that we
Speaker 3: face in terms of our collective health and this your
Speaker 3: gut bacteria impacts so many aspects of your life and
Speaker 3: your health. You know, maybe responsible in part for obesity
Speaker 3: problem we face these days, but there are all kinds
Speaker 3: of problems that this procedure, this technique of using you know,
Speaker 3: a fecal donor and introducing the donors fecal matter into
Speaker 3: your gut can turn your your poorly you know, regulated
Speaker 3: gut around and give you great benefit. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: been demonstrated. So why would they want to stand in
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 5: Well, you have a bureaucracy, and the bureaucracy stands in
Speaker 5: the way. And if you look at the drug approval process,
Speaker 5: it takes about ten to twelve years and two billion
Speaker 5: dollars for a company to get a drug approved. Now, listen,
Speaker 5: you are not guaranteed to get that drug approved unless
Speaker 5: you're a vaccine and it goes pretty quickly. But if
Speaker 5: you have a drug and if they have a threshold
Speaker 5: of ninety five percent, efficacy not safety. Safety is a
Speaker 5: whole different thing. Efficacy how efficient it is. If it
Speaker 5: is ninety four point five the FDA says, no, you
Speaker 5: can't bring this to market.
Speaker 4: Brian, would you take a drug it is.
Speaker 5: Ninety four point five percent effective in a heartbeat?
Speaker 4: I would do that. And that's the problem.
Speaker 5: There's no flexibility with the FDA.
Speaker 3: That's pretty damn good odds. And might it be And
Speaker 3: let me just suggest this day, you don't need to
Speaker 3: buy into my theory on this. Like bioidentical hormones, which
Speaker 3: are widely prescribed for a whole number of problems, you
Speaker 3: can't patent them because they're bioidentical. If they exist in nature,
Speaker 3: then the pharmaceutical companies can't do anything about it, and
Speaker 3: they can't patent them and make money off of them.
Speaker 3: Feces is sort of ubiquitous, Dave. And maybe because they
Speaker 3: can't patent you know, someone's stool and apparently there are
Speaker 3: stool donation sites on here. You mentioned in your article
Speaker 3: that they don't want that to come on the market
Speaker 3: because it might interfere with the patents they have on
Speaker 3: things that are supposed to correct your problems.
Speaker 5: Well, and look what we're doing with sending stool samples
Speaker 5: through the mail to get diagnosed for a certain illnesses.
Speaker 5: And this has become common. But the FDA threw up,
Speaker 5: threw up roadblocks for this when this initially came out.
Speaker 5: But now this is standard, This is standard for people
Speaker 5: to do this, And there are companies out there that
Speaker 5: are you know, early detection systems for people to uh,
Speaker 5: you know, to solve these problems.
Speaker 4: And again it's the FDA standing in the way of this.
Speaker 3: Well, and there are no edicts or mandates that force
Speaker 3: you to get a stool replace a stool sample to going.
Speaker 3: This is an elective procedure. This is something that you
Speaker 3: buy choice, can choose to pursue if you and your
Speaker 3: physician and uh and others think it's the right thing
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I can't imagine a lot of people would
Speaker 5: do this, you know. Just Yeah, there's a term out
Speaker 5: there I wanted to use, but I couldn't use it. It's
Speaker 5: a little it's a little off putting.
Speaker 3: I might, I might point out, you know, I get that.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure if i'd stand a line to
Speaker 3: do this myself. But if I was struggling and I
Speaker 3: had some problems and there has been a demonstrated benefit
Speaker 3: for this procedure and it isn't harmful, then yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I would go ahead and give it a shot
Speaker 3: some people.
Speaker 5: We just want people to have the option to do this,
Speaker 5: and the FDA is taking away those options.
Speaker 3: In a nod to Thomas Massey, I'm thinking of raw
Speaker 3: milk as well. You know you should have the option
Speaker 3: if you want to drink raw milk. No one's forcing
Speaker 3: you to do it. If you know it's raw milk
Speaker 3: and you know it comes with some risks, then fine,
Speaker 3: you can take this risk, like the ninety four point
Speaker 3: something percent approval. That's a risk I'd be wanted to take.
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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday. Taxpayer text lines Dave Williams. Dave, I like
Speaker 3: this IRS Overreach Prevention Act you can get. You can
Speaker 3: do your taxes pretty cheaply out here in the real
Speaker 3: world by yourself with some inexpensive software. So why we
Speaker 3: need the federal government to do it?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: So the IRS has started this new direct file program.
Speaker 6: Where from the bottom of their hearts, they will prepare
Speaker 6: your returns for you because they know that you are
Speaker 6: so busy and that there's no private services out there
Speaker 6: that they will do this.
Speaker 5: They will prepare your returns. Obviously a huge conflict of interest. Yes, thanks,
Speaker 5: mister or missus. IRS is not gonna look at your
Speaker 5: tax return and think, hmm, mister Williams. We're going to
Speaker 5: try to get you the biggest refund that we can
Speaker 5: because we're the IRS and that's what we're what we
Speaker 5: want to do. Obviously, a huge conflict of interest. The
Speaker 5: IRS cannot even protect basic information that they're holding and
Speaker 5: now they want more of our financial information, a parendous idea,
Speaker 5: and someone in Congress is finally standing up and saying, no,
Speaker 5: we need to shut down the direct file program. We
Speaker 5: submitted foya's Freedom of Information Acts to the irs, asking
Speaker 5: them how much this program was going to cost, and
Speaker 5: they said they have no records that are responsive, They
Speaker 5: have no idea what is going to cost the American
Speaker 5: taxpayer to fully implement this system. And we ask for
Speaker 5: foyas from a couple of years or information from a
Speaker 5: couple of years in zilch zero, nada.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this direct question. Are they
Speaker 3: authorized to do this? I know they're funded and well funded.
Speaker 3: They are, but don't they have to have a specific
Speaker 3: congressional authorization to launch a brand new, extraordinarily expensive program.
Speaker 4: They are not authorized, And they lied to Congress.
Speaker 5: They said that they were going to do a pilot program,
Speaker 5: and they're asking Congress for permission to do a pilot program.
Speaker 4: Well, guess what.
Speaker 5: Today They had the program already set up, and they
Speaker 5: spent twenty million dollars initially just to get the initial
Speaker 5: part of the software done, and now they want full
Speaker 5: implementation that could cost billions of dollars and they got
Speaker 5: zero authorization from Congress, and that's why some members of
Speaker 5: the House of Representatives aren't very happy right now, and
Speaker 5: they're trying to shut this down. I mean, obviously we're
Speaker 5: working with them, but they're trying to shut this down asap.
Speaker 3: Well. Being the lawyer and recognizing the complicated issue of standing.
Speaker 3: If I had standing to go to court on the
Speaker 3: IRS illegally or improperly using these taxpayer dollars to expand
Speaker 3: a program that they had no authority to do, I'd
Speaker 3: probably win that case. But getting into court and having
Speaker 3: standing is a tremendous hurdle to overcome. So that's why
Speaker 3: you got to pass the law rather than running into
Speaker 3: court and pointing out that it is not within the
Speaker 3: parameters of what the IRS is permitted to do with
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 5: That's right, and they did this pilot program this year
Speaker 5: and they're expect I think fifteen million people to use
Speaker 5: this system, and about one hundred thousand did. Brian, we
Speaker 5: know the American people are a lot smarter than a
Speaker 5: government takes us for right, yes, and we know what's
Speaker 5: going on, and people understand that this is not within
Speaker 5: the purview of the irs, and this is not going
Speaker 5: to be an our economic interest at all.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm sure this will break across party lines
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, just because some Republicans are pushing forward
Speaker 3: with this. Are there any Democrat co sponsors on this?
Speaker 4: I don't believe that there are no.
Speaker 3: There are none. Shocking anyway, speaking over to what the
Speaker 3: American people want and don't want and what their perception is.
Speaker 3: What about trade? I know, at least we know Donald
Speaker 3: Trump has stated out loud on the record one of
Speaker 3: his party platforms is to raise the tariffs on Chinese goods.
Speaker 3: A lot of economists are saying that will be terrible
Speaker 3: for the American people because would increase the cost of
Speaker 3: those goods and we don't have an alternative place to
Speaker 3: get them. Uh. What does the Cato Institute poll show
Speaker 3: about preferences on trade?
Speaker 5: So this is fascinating because both parties, because the Democrats
Speaker 5: and the Republicans are talking about teriffs, and you would
Speaker 5: think that this is something that's popular, that if both
Speaker 5: parties are talking about this, it must be a popular thing. Well,
Speaker 5: the Cato Institute, you know, seventy five percent said that
Speaker 5: consumers worry you could raise prices. Well, guess what tariffs
Speaker 5: do raise prices again, going back to the corporate tax rate,
Speaker 5: when you add a cost to something that gets passed
Speaker 5: on to the consumer. And a lot of people, I
Speaker 5: think it's over sixty percent want to have more trade
Speaker 5: with foreign nations. And listen, there is a China problem,
Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean we have a ten percent tariff
Speaker 5: on everything that comes into this country, not to China,
Speaker 5: but from other countries. That's the problem is that these
Speaker 5: are you know, broad tariffs that would be put in
Speaker 5: place again by both parties, and it's just raises apparances
Speaker 5: on goods that are coming into this country.
Speaker 3: Well, and of course invites trade wars in the form
Speaker 3: of counter tariffs on American produce goods we try to
Speaker 3: sell abroad. I mean, that's just the next step logically,
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 5: And I remember someone from Cato, this is years ago,
Speaker 5: we were talking about pre trade and they said, why
Speaker 5: do businesses need permission from the government to sell their
Speaker 5: things to other people and other countries? Like, why do
Speaker 5: we have to get permission from the government to do everything.
Speaker 4: We should just be able to do this and not have.
Speaker 3: This barrier understood, But you know, the other the flip
Speaker 3: side of that is the more you trade with China,
Speaker 3: the more profit they make and the bigger their military gets.
Speaker 3: And they do have somewhat of a problem with US
Speaker 3: and how we do business, and would certainly love to
Speaker 3: take over Taiwan, which is against US policy. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there's two sides of this. You got to
Speaker 3: be able to weigh both. And just remember, if there
Speaker 3: are tariffs, whether you form or against them, the price
Speaker 3: of goods will go up. I think we can all
Speaker 3: just agree on that one concluding point, correct, Dave.
Speaker 4: Undoubtedly the price we'll go up, and we have seen
Speaker 4: them go up.
Speaker 5: And again we're talking about massive terriffs that both parties
Speaker 5: are are talking about.
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