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Every 47 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.599 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 48 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.879 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 49 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.159 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 50 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:47.800 Good evening. In this notorious USA collection, Death of a Cheerleader, 51 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.240 New York Times bestselling author Greg Olsen and true crime 52 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.199 journalist Kevin M. Sullivan write about notorious crimes in the 53 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.639 Bluegrass State. In a scene right out of Hitchcock's rear window, 54 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.680 a young woman vanishes from a beach on a summer day, 55 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:06.560 and a neighbor views the abduction through his telescope. A 56 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.120 newly wed disposes of his bride but doesn't know what 57 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:12.120 to do with her head. Selling tickets at a drive 58 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.919 in movie theater proves deadly, and a parent's worst nightmare 59 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.560 becomes reality their young daughter disappears from a sleepover. The 60 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.240 focus of the program this evening is Death of a 61 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:29.199 Cheerleader with my special guests, journalist and author Kevin M. Sullivan. 62 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.439 Welcome back to the program, and thank you for greeing 63 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.479 this interview. Kevin M. Sullivan. 64 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.000 Thanks Dan, it's good to be back, and I expect 65 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.120 we're going to have a good time tonight because the 66 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.840 cases we'll be talking about are very bizarre homicides and 67 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.520 really little known homicides outside of the state of Kentucky 68 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:52.560 that is until now. 69 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.360 Yes, it's Civil incredibook. It's an incredible collection, and it 70 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.919 is strange to realize that it comes from just one 71 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.560 little state and a state that's maybe not so notorious 72 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.759 really compared to some of the other states of the 73 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.319 United States. So let's get right into this and very 74 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.159 interesting too. Each title has got sort of a tongue 75 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.279 in cheek sometimes too, where titles like A Day at 76 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.000 the Beach. Yeah, first off, you know, other than give 77 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.920 us your Kentucky background for those people that don't know, 78 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.040 and why it was important for you to what was 79 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.920 it about these particular cases that you wanted to assemble 80 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.560 for this book, Why these cases and why Kentucky tell 81 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:38.120 us about that? 82 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.040 Well, occasionally I would hear about a case. A Day 83 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.720 at the Beach was a good example of one, and 84 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.600 this particular case, you know, when this girl and her 85 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.879 name was Heather Tigue, which he disappeared from a beach 86 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:01.560 along the Ohio River at Henderson, Kentucky. There was a 87 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.120 little bit of the paper about it, but not much. 88 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:06.879 But the circumstances of it were very strange. Of course, 89 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.600 that piqued my interest. Immediately. I was working on something else, 90 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.600 but I thought, I need to find out about the case. 91 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.759 And then there was another case that I included in 92 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:22.160 this book, Death of a Cheerleader, and that's the title 93 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.079 of the book, about a girl that was murdered here 94 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.720 in Kentucky. So these cases came about. I mean I 95 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.879 would hear them, sometimes, I would catalog things, and then 96 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.639 sometimes and then after I reached the place where I knew, 97 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:40.199 I thought there are enough strange cases out of Kentucky 98 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:45.879 that I can compile them together. That's when I started 99 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.759 doing research. And of the cases, some of them were 100 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.600 more recent and some of them were from a long 101 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:56.199 time ago, and those will get into later. They were 102 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.800 very interesting as much as how do you get the information? 103 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.120 Where do you go to get it? It's going to 104 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.399 be in the archives somewhere of a police department, But 105 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:07.959 you got to have dates, you got to have names, 106 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.560 and when there are long ago cases, sometimes all you 107 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:16.519 carry is an idea of what happened, what was reported 108 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.480 at the time. The boy it's something. Having to attract 109 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.000 this stuff down. I was very fortunate. I've always been 110 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:26.360 good at doing research and getting to things, so I 111 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.240 never had a whole lot of problems of getting to it. 112 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.639 But it was time consuming, so that it was my 113 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:37.240 idea to put together something from the state of Kentucky 114 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.519 from all these bizarre cases, and every state added me. 115 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.319 But some of the cases that and in this particular book, 116 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.560 I've only included six, but I've compiled many cases and 117 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:55.439 I'll have another book coming out later from while Do 118 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.399 Press having to do with other Kentucky murders. And I 119 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.399 used to also write for a paper here in Kentucky, 120 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.879 uh and that paper was called Snitch, and it was 121 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.360 a weekly print newspaper at one point in time that 122 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.319 was published in five states, and in Kentucky it was 123 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.519 published in both Lexington and Louisville. Wasn't on staff, but 124 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.319 I was a contributing writer, and some of these cases 125 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.319 would be published in Snitch. So there was a lot 126 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.600 of material out there, even from a state with you know, 127 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.519 somewhere around maybe a little bit less than four million people. 128 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.240 So yeah, there's just some real, you know, bizarre stuff 129 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.680 that's happened. And then, like I say, everything has them. 130 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:37.920 And for people who want to take the time to 131 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.319 track those strange cases down over years, they can come 132 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.399 up with some really wild stuff. Mm hm. 133 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:50.120 Now I racked my brain to say what we talked 134 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:53.399 about just briefly before the program, and I said, what 135 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.000 would really tie all these cases together? What real theme 136 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.199 is there? And there really isn't any other than there 137 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.600 from Kentucky. But also there's these stories, and I want 138 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:06.199 to warn anybody that's gonna, you know, listen to this 139 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.560 that really the thing that ties these things together is 140 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.839 they're right out of the Twilight Zone. If people remember 141 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.720 what that is in terms of never mind twists and turns. 142 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.360 These are truly you've really managed to come up with 143 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:21.879 some strange and bizarre cases. So let's get to this one. 144 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.680 And for those that really don't know, because we do 145 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:27.279 have a younger some people are younger that listen to 146 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:32.039 this program, and some people are older like me. But 147 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.600 anyway I wanted to ask was for those that don't 148 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.559 know the Alfred Hitchcock rear window reference, let's talk about 149 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:44.840 this case and the witness and the entire case itself 150 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:50.639 with Heather Tigue one day at this Newbird Beach in Henderson. 151 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.159 So tell us a little bit about this and a 152 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:59.480 little bit about Tim Waltall, who an interesting character in this. 153 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.279 Yeah, it's an interesting it's a really interesting case. This 154 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.919 is one case where there had been nothing written about 155 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:11.279 it outside of some squibs and some newspapers. I had 156 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:17.919 to piece the entire story together from interviews of Kentucky 157 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.320 State Police officers and the course from Tim Walthall and 158 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:28.039 his wife Karen. Heather Tigue was a pretty girl and 159 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.000 she had you know, she was just like anybody, and 160 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.440 she was you know, she was in her I can't remember. 161 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.120 I think she was like twenty two, twenty three. I'd 162 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:39.759 have to check. It's been so many years since I've 163 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:42.639 actually written the case. I've been I've done so many 164 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.440 things since then. But she was just a young girl. 165 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:46.279 She was so kind of trying to find her way 166 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.440 in life. But she took a Saturday, a really nice 167 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.720 day in August and went to a place called Newburgh Beach, 168 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:03.919 which was at the Ohio River at Henderson, Kentucky, and 169 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.720 of course across the river is Indiana. Well, this beach 170 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.919 would occasionally be the spot for people to come. You know, 171 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.000 kids would come and you know, drink beer at night, 172 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:18.919 and some people had got involved with drugs. They would 173 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.240 come up and a lot of those activities occurred at night. 174 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.120 On the day she was there, there were the spot 175 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.559 that she went to. She had to actually park her 176 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:32.639 car along an access road that was shrouded in trees. 177 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:35.559 And when she parked her car, there were other cars 178 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.759 that either were parked there or would soon be parked there. 179 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:45.759 And there were some kids riding some ATVs mall terrain 180 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.440 vehicles about a half a mile upstream from her, and 181 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.200 they would occasionally come down near to her, and I'm 182 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.360 sure that they never even saw her. Well, what she did, 183 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.799 she got a chase lounge, and she got her cooler 184 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:09.279 and her cow, and she went and placed the chase 185 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.759 lounge at the bottom, right at the water's edge so 186 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.559 she could dangle her feet in it. Now across the river. 187 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.639 I say this in the book because she would have 188 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:25.080 noticed the homes across across the river. It's like a 189 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:27.159 half a mile two quarters of a mile. She really 190 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.320 wouldn't have paid a whole lot of attention to them. 191 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.840 And they're really nice homes, but if there's nobody out 192 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.440 there and nobody can see you, it's very private. She 193 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:38.159 wouldn't paid a lot of attention to them. Whatever was 194 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.879 this man named Tim Waltle, He used to he had 195 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:45.799 a telescope that was in his living room and they 196 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.440 had a large window there, and he used to love 197 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.159 to look at the wild lines, and when people weren't around, 198 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.799 there would be deer and he might have seen coorities, 199 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.919 but there was a lot of wildlife and he enjoyed 200 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:59.840 looking at that. Well, this was a Saturday. He has 201 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.600 wife had been out working in the yard, and so 202 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.840 when she went to fix them some hamburgers, he came 203 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.720 in from the yard and sat down and he saw 204 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.679 he was looking through there, and he happened to spot 205 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.960 this woman that was laying there on the beach, and 206 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.080 he would have even seen her except he was he 207 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.720 had seen a kid coming down on an ATV, and 208 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.919 as he got near to her, he spotted her, and 209 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.240 he happened to mention to his wife, there there's there's 210 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:34.840 a lady laying out there all alone. And he thought 211 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.080 it was kind of odd, because, like I said, at 212 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.000 nighttime anyway, there were in Savory characters that would come 213 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:45.000 around there, but this was a beautiful day. Well, he 214 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.960 had only been looking at her a few minutes, but 215 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:52.879 he he spot on a man crouching in the woods 216 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:58.159 looking at her, and his first thought was, well, maybe 217 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.960 he knows her. And then the guy's stands up and 218 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:06.879 he takes and she can't see him. She's unbuttoned the 219 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.840 back of her top, her bathing suit top. It's a 220 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.360 two piece so that she would get an even tan, 221 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:18.159 and she was laying face down on the chase lounds. 222 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.159 So he starts bounding hand of the woods, takes about 223 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.159 ten steps and stops, and then he takes another. Finally 224 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:29.519 he gets to her, and Walfall said to me, he said, 225 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.399 you know, I thought for a second maybe it's her 226 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:36.600 boy's hand. Then he saw her, saw him bend down 227 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.919 and took his hand, and he wrapped her hair around 228 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.399 his wrists and arm, and then he saw that the 229 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.480 man had a gun in his hand. Well, the girl 230 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.600 was soon abducted and he yanked her up off the 231 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:55.480 chair and get and there's nobody seeing this but Tim Walfall, 232 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:04.000 And within moments he had got her out of sight 233 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:09.720 and they were gone. So he calls the as I 234 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.960 recalled the Indiana State Police, they said, well, that's not 235 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.120 our jurisdiction. So they transferred in the Kentucky State Police. 236 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.840 And you know a lot of times operators will they'll 237 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:23.840 take their time, and they wanted from He said, I 238 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.679 gotta talk to somebody now. A's a girl that's been abducted. 239 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:28.919 So we got a hold of a man that the 240 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.679 commander of posts I believed he was sixteen of the 241 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.320 Kentucky State Police. I got him at David Osborne and 242 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.960 he showed him in. So that's how that case began, 243 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.639 and that I'm going to give you time. They asked questions, 244 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.919 but that that girl has never been located. But over 245 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:52.679 a period of days, a suspect appeared because of some 246 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.879 anonymous calls, and then he had been a suspect in 247 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.720 some other things. It's never been proven that he's done this, 248 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.960 but his name was Martin and he called him Marty Dill. 249 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:08.159 And there's the police believe there's a lot of circumstantial 250 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.759 evidence against him. So whoever got this girl, they got 251 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.360 her out of the way. Osborne, you know, he got 252 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.000 his men together and man, they just so I did it. 253 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:25.279 They got to that uh, well, I'm sorry, I had 254 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.000 to back up a little bit. As he was as 255 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.279 Osborne was gathering his men, he said, I think one 256 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.679 of my troopers is over there. It just came from 257 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.919 Newburg beak and and and then this was nineteen ninety five, 258 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.519 he said, And he has a stop bone, so he said, 259 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:44.440 so he said, I'm uh uh, I guess he had 260 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:49.799 him call him. So uh he called him, and Tim 261 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:53.919 couldn't see his patrol car approaching, but he said, I 262 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.759 saw a plume of dust coming up over the trees, 263 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.120 and I knew that was him. And within a few 264 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.960 minutes to compet parked his car just about where Heather's 265 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.240 car was, and we're other cars there too. Came down 266 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.080 through there, and Osborne is talking on the phone, and 267 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.600 he's talking on his cell phone to to I mean Osborne. 268 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.000 He Tim Malthall and and the police officer are talking 269 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.240 and Tim is actually showing him where to go on 270 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.960 the beach so he doesn't miss the girl's stuff. And 271 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.679 then he said, oh, I see it, I've got it. 272 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:31.120 And within no time Osborne came down there, and so 273 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.240 then then that you know happened, and they stopped a 274 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.399 couple of cars, but this guy was long gone. Now, 275 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.200 there was a man that was videotaping that morning because 276 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.399 the ATVs I mentioned there were a lot of kids 277 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:53.679 that were tearing up land using those vehicles, and uh 278 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.480 so a farmer had hired this guy to videotape and 279 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.840 he had accidentally left his video tape, his video re 280 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.480 her on and pasted it on the dashboard and he 281 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:06.559 passed down this this this access road, and he called 282 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:11.079 Heather's car and he actually caught her and did this 283 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.119 was I guess this is? Yeah, this that morning when 284 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.400 she was getting out of the car, and there was 285 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:21.400 also a red and white Bronco that was parked there. 286 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:28.000 And they believe whoever was driving that Bronco is the 287 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.680 one who abducted Heather t. And it turns out that 288 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:38.559 they put out you know, uh, you know the what's 289 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:41.680 the thing, the facial things, you know Commas description of 290 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:46.279 the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they put that out and 291 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.960 they got a call like a couple of days later 292 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.160 and said there's a guy that pits the description. It's 293 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:59.799 an anonymous call. He said, his name is Marvin Dill. 294 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.079 They call him Marty, and he drives a red and 295 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:11.559 white broncle. Well, this guy, you know, so they start 296 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.880 the wheels kind of moving in this direction, right. They 297 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:20.559 also obtained information that this Dell fella uh is also 298 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:24.400 and this all happened very quickly, had also been a 299 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:29.440 suspect in a sexual attack on a woman a number 300 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.160 of months early in a cemetery in Kentucky. Issue was 301 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:41.880 cutting grass, and he was a suspect in this other 302 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.400 attack because there was there were anonymous calls there as well. 303 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:51.720 And I'm sorry, go ahead, sorry did but did Tim? 304 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:57.119 What was when Tim did the composite it? When he 305 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.799 was given the photo of this deal Old Marty Dill, 306 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:02.400 what did he then say? 307 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:05.920 Well, here's what he said about that, and and and 308 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:11.279 he set up the uh, the the telescope for me. 309 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:12.920 I was able to look through it when I was 310 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.720 there interview on that too. You know, you can see everything. 311 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.480 I mean, it's really clear. You can so this kind 312 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.519 an abducted head of tea. He said. I could see 313 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.319 the body shape, the protruding belly. I could see the 314 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.000 shorts heat war very clearly. 315 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:30.400 He said. 316 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.839 The only thing I couldn't see clearly, and I couldn't 317 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.160 understand this was his face. At some point it looked 318 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:39.480 like he had a beard of something, he said, but 319 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:43.519 it wasn't clear, but I could see everything else. Now. 320 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:47.359 He couldn't find any answer for that, and he told 321 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.680 the police that, but he said everything else was clear. Well, Bill, 322 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.359 who was a suspect in a sexual in this sexual 323 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:01.000 assault in a cemetery uh in Kentucky a number of 324 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:05.559 months before. And you know, the girl could not completely 325 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:09.680 identify him there either, because the guy that wore the 326 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.319 guy that did that to her had like a fish 327 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.400 netting thing on his face, like a hatn't like some 328 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:21.079 fish net and so it acted yeah, yeah, yeah, So 329 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.640 she wasn't quite sure. She couldn't say for a certainty. Well, 330 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.160 it turns out this still fella before the abduction of 331 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:36.119 Heather Thieves had also gotten in trouble in Evansville, Indiana, 332 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:42.759 for he had been circling a place called Haini's Corner 333 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.039 and it appeared that he was trying to pick up girls, 334 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:51.400 and so he was pulled over by the police in Evansville. 335 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:54.119 And the first thing the officer did, he said, you 336 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.480 have any weapons on you? He said no, and he said, well, 337 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:00.599 I needed to get out of your truck, and he did, 338 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:06.839 and they did a check of the seat and under 339 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.240 the seat, and they found two pistols and then they 340 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.160 checked and found a knife in his pocket. So he 341 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:17.119 was immediately under arrest. But the interesting thing was, and 342 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.599 I talked to the detective, the evens the detective about this, 343 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:24.119 but they found in his pocket duct tape, and they 344 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.440 found a rope and a shovel and plastic bags in 345 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.519 his car. And I asked the detective about that, and 346 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.160 here's what he said to me. He said, well, you know, 347 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.880 I thought this guy was gonna take a girl, and 348 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:37.799 if we didn't arrest him, he's going to kill somebody 349 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.519 today because here, you know, like the friend, he's lying 350 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.880 about weapons, he's circling Haiti's corner, he's trying to pick 351 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.440 up girls. He's got duct tape on him, he's got rope, 352 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.960 he's got a shovel, he's got plastic bags. I felt 353 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.920 like he's going to kill somebody today. So that's what 354 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.160 he told me. That's what it looked like. That's I'm 355 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.200 sure that's what it looked like to the patrol officers. 356 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.440 So he made bail at court. They'd coming up and 357 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.400 when he left Indiana he would never step but back 358 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:09.119 in Indiana again, he got back to Kentucky and then 359 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.279 this other stuff happens. But when everything's and this is 360 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:18.039 very curious because there's no hard evidence against Bill, but 361 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:23.759 there's a ton of circumstantial evidence inasmuch as there's people 362 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:33.480 calling and reporting him. There is the body type that 363 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.240 Walthall saw when Walthall, when all this was over and 364 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.079 he got the view Deill, he could see that it 365 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.039 was the same, and there were some other circumstances as 366 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.680 well well. All this happened over a period of about 367 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.359 four days where it really started coming down on Bill, 368 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.920 I think, and I had to check the book, but 369 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.559 I think they got it. The five anonymous calls from 370 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:04.799 different people about about Martyville and the possibility of him 371 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:10.759 being involved in the abduction of Edity. So the police, 372 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:17.319 you know, got a warrant, and before they went out 373 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.039 to his property, they got a call from Dell's attorneys. 374 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.559 Sadil was threatening suicide. He had put his wife and 375 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:31.880 child off of the land. He lived on land about 376 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.039 two acres that had been deeded to him from his 377 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.200 father father owned about twenty two acres and he needed 378 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.079 an over of years before there's a couple of acres 379 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:44.039 to his son, and I think he had a trailer 380 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.599 and he and his wife and his child limber. So 381 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.200 the attorney said, he's threatened to kill himself and he 382 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.000 told his wife. I'm looking at ten to twenty and 383 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:01.000 I'm not going. Well, that's part of the substantial evidence 384 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:05.319 against them. This guy is showing all the signs of 385 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:09.160 having done something very bad. I mean, if Bill had 386 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.720 not in their minds, if Bill had not been involved 387 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:13.960 with this, why would he be putting his wife and 388 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.319 daughter of property making statements like I'm looking at end, 389 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.599 I'm looking at I'm sorry, I'm looking at twenty of 390 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.160 the life and I'm not going if he hadn't done 391 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:28.000 something terrible. Oh Osborne, who was at the helm of this, 392 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.680 he went very slowly with They got the warm. 393 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.480 Wait, the lucky landslots. You can get lucky just about anywhere. 394 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.200 It's your captain speaking. 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