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<v Speaker 1>I love this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>It is old school parenting ideas that this, uh, this article,

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<v Speaker 2>opines is just what today's kids need and helping us

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<v Speaker 2>sort through it all is justin worship. Hello, sports is

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<v Speaker 2>not his lame.

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<v Speaker 3>Sports absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 4>Gave up on your San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, became a RAMS fan, and that is when we

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<v Speaker 2>stopped being sorry for my children.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, it's not my children.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, first five, it's not for the children.

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<v Speaker 5>Teach your children to have some amount of credibility and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, not just credibility, but loyalty, indignity, and integrity.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like.

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<v Speaker 6>Somebody's a little upset about the DeVante Adams signings.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not tell your faith. I am not.

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<v Speaker 2>You think Matt Stafford's gonna you think there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a different ending to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, I do because they're so great.

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<v Speaker 3>Are so great. There it is, And now I.

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<v Speaker 6>Know why she likes doing this is my first opportunity

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<v Speaker 6>to trigger her.

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<v Speaker 3>And it feels like I feel electricity in my base.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah bat.

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<v Speaker 4>Old school parenting.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm like sweating and vibrating with joy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not lying. This is Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 6>I now understand the power that you feel on a

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<v Speaker 6>daily basis. What's incredible because I just said something in

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<v Speaker 6>name to me and you just started shaking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something you said, it's the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>would be a lifelong forty nine er fan.

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<v Speaker 4>Off hand and the hand.

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<v Speaker 6>While she talks his forts into flipping the bird, She's

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<v Speaker 6>just standing.

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<v Speaker 2>Here along the right place I live for years of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest that I can take the training care base

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<v Speaker 2>to clean My son to the Enos season stayed like

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<v Speaker 2>five and seven at the time you decided to be

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<v Speaker 2>a ram.

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<v Speaker 3>My son was like, I really like the Rams.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there you tell them that they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Do not say no to your say no to your

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<v Speaker 4>kid everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like every That's what I mean, Like, why kid

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be a Dolphins fan when they're five because

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<v Speaker 2>they like Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't let them live their life as a Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 6>Anybody wants to be a Dolphins fan. I think Shannon's

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<v Speaker 6>talking about herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows a kid that wanted to be a Dolphins

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<v Speaker 2>fan when they were a five issues.

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<v Speaker 6>No, that's maybe like a girlfriend you had surgery in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Because one is upset She's running down the hall saying

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<v Speaker 2>stay on topic.

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<v Speaker 3>No, she's not issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh she is my best number one. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is uninteresting. I understand, just so clear.

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<v Speaker 3>I just said a couple of dumb things. Jesus is

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<v Speaker 3>going off.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I want to bring this back to the topic.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think giving your kids, well, you have.

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<v Speaker 3>To let them throw a tantrum.

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<v Speaker 4>Gar let's be as fan. You don't have to change

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<v Speaker 4>your You don't have to change your strike.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't want change the dynamic where the two of

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<v Speaker 6>you gang up on.

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<v Speaker 4>Me like he made my decision.

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<v Speaker 2>You weren't born and raised in Modesto to root for

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, that's very true. But my kids were born

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<v Speaker 3>and raised in Burbank.

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<v Speaker 1>To get the children who cares.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen, It's okay, they're like, nobody likes the Rams like

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<v Speaker 6>it address me.

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody who goes to a game knows.

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<v Speaker 6>That the majority of the people there are visiting because

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<v Speaker 6>they came from some other city. So it's like you

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<v Speaker 6>just have this like trap that brings the team in

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<v Speaker 6>so that you could watch your team beat the crap

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<v Speaker 6>out of the local team that you hold up shop.

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<v Speaker 6>And I are te years apart almost to the minute.

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<v Speaker 6>His birthday is also January twenty four. You don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it's fun that parlor Tricky does where he remembers every

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<v Speaker 6>play ever.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>That's cool, head coach, that sounds.

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<v Speaker 3>Like John Cruden. That's delightful.

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<v Speaker 6>Give your kids space, Give you space, unlike you two

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<v Speaker 6>are giving me at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning of every baseball season.

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<v Speaker 3>You get a little jones in for football.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I apologize that you took the brunt of

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<v Speaker 2>it today.

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<v Speaker 4>She had she had about a quiet month or so.

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<v Speaker 4>She just saw a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately. I love you so much, you don't you don't

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<v Speaker 3>care when I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not talking. When I'm talking, you're not talking. We'll

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<v Speaker 4>get it back on track, I swear.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably. I guess we're carrying over anger. No, she didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get in trouble. She's just trying not to get I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to ruin it because I really want him

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<v Speaker 2>to get to this topic about the old school parenting.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well we did the giving your kids space thing

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<v Speaker 5>and the tan let.

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<v Speaker 6>What I want to say about so what this was

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<v Speaker 6>is that this guy put on Reddit, like, what are

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<v Speaker 6>some things that you experienced in your childhood that you

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<v Speaker 6>think would be good for kids today but is not

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<v Speaker 6>part of the you know, modern parenting style. And the

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<v Speaker 6>first one is giving your kids space, but it's not

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<v Speaker 6>the space that I think. It means that it's not

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<v Speaker 6>a safe space. It means that allowing them to fail,

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<v Speaker 6>that like failure is the best teacher out there, and

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<v Speaker 6>I would agree with that. But the second one is

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<v Speaker 6>also let them be alone, which means you're not always

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<v Speaker 6>around them trying to like entertain them or engage them,

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<v Speaker 6>stimulate them, like just let them be and it goes

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<v Speaker 6>into all these benefits of like emotional development. When your

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<v Speaker 6>kid gets to be bored, it's everything that everybody who

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<v Speaker 6>grew up in the eighties feels like. The kids today

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<v Speaker 6>don't have right because they have these computers and TVs

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<v Speaker 6>and everything all in their pocket all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>The chores thing is also pretty important.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I've run into this a couple of times, probably

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<v Speaker 5>more often lately, where kids don't have chores, they just

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<v Speaker 5>have money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's just the way it goes.

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<v Speaker 5>I just have money and available to them anytime they want,

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<v Speaker 5>and mom or dad can venmo them or PayPal.

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<v Speaker 3>Or app whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Do your kids have chores.

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<v Speaker 5>They had very specific requirements. Yes, they were things that

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<v Speaker 5>they were responsible, right.

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<v Speaker 6>I failed at this. We started off with chores, but

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<v Speaker 6>I could not get them. I couldn't get them on board.

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<v Speaker 6>And I hate like throwing my wife under the bus

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit. But she's not big on consequences. Like

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<v Speaker 6>that's our parenting fight that we have within our relationship.

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<v Speaker 6>And I very much am and so she's just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they try. Everything is about effort. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>the result, all right.

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<v Speaker 6>Like the playoffs, You're right, you totally won that one.

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<v Speaker 6>That's great. I have not won this entire two segments

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<v Speaker 6>at all. You're right, you nailed the shit.

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<v Speaker 3>God be so good. You got me on my heels.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very easy to manipulate.

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<v Speaker 4>If you tell me I won.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if I know I'm being manipulated, it still feels good.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good, I like that. That's great. That's even more

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<v Speaker 3>fun for me to have later.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think it's her birthday if you give her

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<v Speaker 4>a card.

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<v Speaker 6>My Shannon fair and toolbox is getting so big, right,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm letting so many skills right now. The other one

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<v Speaker 6>that I like here is allowing them to experience conflict.

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<v Speaker 6>This was something that came up with my kids is

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<v Speaker 6>that my wife and I have had like one really

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<v Speaker 6>big fight and we had it in front of our

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<v Speaker 6>oldest son and he kind of started to get upset.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife kind of like looked like, okay, let's be careful.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you fighting about.

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<v Speaker 6>We were actually fighting about her, But she she would

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<v Speaker 6>treat me like a sitcom dad, even though I was

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<v Speaker 6>the guy who was home with the kids. It was

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<v Speaker 6>when I was working here at the radio station on

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<v Speaker 6>handle show, so I was home with them after school.

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<v Speaker 6>I was cooking meals and all that stuff. And she

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<v Speaker 6>came home one day and she was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he thinks that you don't care whenever he has an

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<v Speaker 6>ailment and tried to explain to me how to properly

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<v Speaker 3>Does he think my son?

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<v Speaker 6>Was saying this to my wife after I had gone

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<v Speaker 6>to bed at like seven o'clock because I was getting

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<v Speaker 6>up at two am, and I just was like, you

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<v Speaker 6>don't like last you guys made fun of me before,

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<v Speaker 6>like I literally broke down breastfeeding.

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<v Speaker 3>To her, like I had to talk about the biology.

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<v Speaker 6>And again, I don't like this because my wife is great,

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<v Speaker 6>and I literally could not live without her, and I

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<v Speaker 6>hate it when sometimes I talk making jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she comes across that you adore her.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't are you doing the thing I was doing?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm serious, I'm serious. I don't worry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Like, I literally gave up the career I wanted since

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<v Speaker 6>I was in first grade so I could be around

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<v Speaker 6>this woman and these children more.

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<v Speaker 3>But so anyway I got.

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<v Speaker 6>We got into this big fight about it because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not an uninvolved dad, I'm not an ignorant dad.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very engaged. I'm very aware.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, you can't come into the situation acting like

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<v Speaker 6>you have all of the information when you have none.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was kind of what I was sternly saying

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<v Speaker 6>back to her because I was offended, And so I

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<v Speaker 6>broke it down from and I said, listen, I go.

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<v Speaker 3>You and your brother fight all the time. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>see your mom and I getting upset? Right, I go.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is where I really nailed as a father.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, I go, Well, the four of us are

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<v Speaker 6>all living in this house together in close proximity. I go,

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<v Speaker 6>Prisoners try to stab each other just from being close

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<v Speaker 6>to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very similar.

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<v Speaker 4>They have to make their own knives. We have them

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<v Speaker 4>in the drawer. He's like, I got my ship right here.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was something that I noticed about even my parents.

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<v Speaker 6>My parents would have lots of conversations, disagreements, arguments in

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<v Speaker 6>front of me, and it kind of teaches you how

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<v Speaker 6>to be in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, otherwise you don't. There's no way to model

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<v Speaker 5>that if you hide it from them. There's one of

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<v Speaker 5>these later on that I think is interesting. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>side with the teacher. Yeah, sometimes the teacher is right

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<v Speaker 5>about your kid being incorrigible or acting out in class.

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<v Speaker 5>But just as important as that is, like hey, missus

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<v Speaker 5>Terwilliger has the opportunity to call you out on your ass,

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<v Speaker 5>there are times when you have to defend the kid

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<v Speaker 6>Have done I have done that less than what I

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<v Speaker 6>would expect it as a parent. I have fought advocated

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<v Speaker 6>for my kid against more teachers. There's been teachers that

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<v Speaker 6>I have relationships with that I know, and they've like,

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<v Speaker 6>in first grade that he just decided he wasn't going

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<v Speaker 6>to listen, and he did a duck and cover drill

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<v Speaker 6>under the desk, like just lay down, and the teacher

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<v Speaker 6>texts me, she goes, this is what he's doing right now,

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<v Speaker 2>That's like a whole topic like siding with the teacher

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<v Speaker 2>or your kid, and the ramifications of both of those.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a case by case basis. I would

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<v Speaker 2>assume about the context of a lawyer. Right, you are

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<v Speaker 2>your kids. You can't be your kid's advocate.

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<v Speaker 5>But in the event that your kid is accused of

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<v Speaker 5>doing something that they didn't do, you have to have

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<v Speaker 5>that heart to heart, honest conversation with Hey, listen, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>resources that are available to me to defend you, but

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<v Speaker 5>you better go all the way down and tell me

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<v Speaker 5>the absolute God's honest try about this, because if there's

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<v Speaker 5>any moment that I find out that you're lying about it,

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<v Speaker 5>or you're fudging the details, or you're passing off responsibility, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and then you're on your own and you don't want that.

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<v Speaker 6>Both of my kids have had that conversation with me

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<v Speaker 6>where I've said, I go, listen, I go if I

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<v Speaker 6>will fight for you and I am involved in these schools,

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<v Speaker 6>so the parker, I will go in there, I will

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<v Speaker 6>I will parker it up.

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<v Speaker 2>And but like what if, like, you know, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of something where there's gray area, you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>like plagiarism or cheating on a test or something, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know your kid's not showing effort or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>your kids like I am doing everything I can. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you navigate that?

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<v Speaker 6>I had that where the what was happening was he

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<v Speaker 6>was struggling in math. The teacher was not really supporting.

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<v Speaker 6>It also happened to be during the pandemic. He was

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<v Speaker 6>failing math. And I said, I go, Okay, on Friday,

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<v Speaker 6>that's your day that you go check in because this

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<v Speaker 6>was the time where they didn't have school on Friday,

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<v Speaker 6>but the teachers had like office hours like it was

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, you go to her every Friday and

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<v Speaker 6>say this is what I think I'm understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I right? Every Friday you go to talk to her.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like okay, And then he was still failing and

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<v Speaker 6>I went back and I talked to her, and he

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, listen, she was definitely in the wrong. Like

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<v Speaker 6>something else came up where he was upset about trying

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<v Speaker 6>he was twelve. And this was back when he got

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<v Speaker 6>her to talk to her, and a twelve year old

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<v Speaker 3>That was something that I got the admin.

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<v Speaker 6>Involved, not because I was worried about my kid, but

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, you can't let this lady do somebody else,

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<v Speaker 6>pitchforks and torches and want her fired because they're going

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<v Speaker 6>to care more about this. Right, But I said, you

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<v Speaker 6>took my ability to help you away when you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>do what I told you to do. You didn't do

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<v Speaker 6>your part, So I can't help you now with this.

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<v Speaker 6>You're just gonna have to deal with the result and

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<v Speaker 6>the consequence.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So next week we'll talk more about it,

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<v Speaker 4>all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I will get that together.

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<v Speaker 4>Spank your kids.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe we'll do the second segment about the NFC West

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<v Speaker 6>just in general, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, done you.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you going?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm responding to Deborah Mark. She sent me a new

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<v Speaker 2>sex show to watch, so poor boy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad.

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<v Speaker 4>I asked as always a joy when you were here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, just like a battered way.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. It's me, it's me. Carrie and Shanna will

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<v Speaker 4>continue after this