1 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely You Can't 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,439 Be Serious podcast. This is episode two of our Christmas 3 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:19,199 comparison of Diehard versus Lethal Weapon, And to start it off, 4 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,800 we're gonna have a very classic Christmas introduction to this episode. 5 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:26,559 Speaker 2: All right, listen up, guys, twas the night before Christmas, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,600 and all through the house not a creature was stirring 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,359 except the four useholes coming in the rear standard to 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,079 cover formation. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,399 Speaker 1: It's Christmas time in Hollis. Please, Mom's cook a. 10 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:45,439 Speaker 2: Chicken in college. 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Oh man, If this is your first time to listen 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,119 to us, all I can say is welcome to the party. 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Pal Man. You know, we started this a year and 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,039 a half ago. I did not anticipate how much work 15 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:00,679 that we would be putting in to this thing. 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: But it's been an amazing year. Do you remember when 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,439 I called you about a year and a half ago. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, come out to the coast. We'll get together 19 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:08,519 and make a podcast. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,079 Speaker 1: Well, I'm very proud of what we've done so far 21 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:16,680 this year. We've had an awesome time. We've made lots 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,319 of friends and got out what, well we think is. 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: A pretty good product. Well, I'm hopeful that our listeners think. So, 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,280 We've definitely had a great amount of support from everybody, 25 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,560 and this is kind of an amazing, you know, like 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,879 almost bittersweet end to a thing. But I mean we're 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,040 just done with chapter one, ready to go on to 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,920 chapter two. So it's a great way to end the 29 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,560 season with two of the most amazing movies of the 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,599 eighties right at the time that they're in all of 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,400 their glory. It's Christmas time, it is. 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: This podcast is not the is it a Christmas movie podcast? 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,840 But here just a little bit we're going to talk 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,680 about we'll touch on it whether we think these are 35 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:56,640 Christmas movies or not. 36 00:01:56,879 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Right more importantly, we will defend the fact that they 37 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:01,280 are Christmas. 38 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,599 Speaker 1: There you go, There you. 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,239 Speaker 2: Go, all right. Our executive producer on this episode is 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,039 Chris walked In. That's walked in with a d It's 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,560 I'm sure he gets it all the time, Christopher walking 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,759 But Chris, thank you so much for your support. He 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,199 is our first Patreon subscriber to pay us in pounds. 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: Love it, love it. Chris, thank you so much. We 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,800 appreciate you. 46 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say thank you enough. If you want 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,000 to be an executive producer of one of our episodes. 48 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,080 Just go to our Patreon page. It's Patreon dot com, 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,120 Forward Slash Shirley Podcast and YouTube can become an executive 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,120 producer of one of our shows. Okay, cool, all right, 51 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:43,280 So jumping back into it, I've learned a couple things 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,360 since our last episode, even though it was just a 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,919 short time ago, that I feel the need to share. So, 54 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Joel Silver is the producer behind both of these movies. 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,000 We talked about him a bit in the last episode. 56 00:02:55,039 --> 00:02:57,599 He was the one that got Shane Black in there 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,000 and Predator, and he's obviously the one that had him 58 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:05,520 write the script for Lethal Weapon. He's the one that 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,039 had forty eight Hours, which then leads us to Stephen 60 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:13,639 Desuza coming in helping out on Jim Stewart's script. He's 61 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 very much an integral part of both of these stories. 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,159 But here's something that I bet that most of our 63 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,439 listeners don't know. When he was in high school, he 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,199 went to Columbia High School in Maplewood, New Jersey, and 65 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,520 during that time there he and a friend of his 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,159 named Buzzy hill Ring created the rules for the game 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Ultimate Frisbee. They were the creators Joel Silver who has 68 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:43,039 given us some of the best movies of all time. 69 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,599 Also was one of the creators of Ultimate Frisbee. He 70 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,800 has been inducted into the Ultimate Frisbee Hall of Fame 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,560 because he was one of the originators of the game. 72 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: That is freaking amazing. 73 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,599 Speaker 2: I can't believe that it's crazy. It's crazy then, and 74 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:03,080 he is the type of the nasty producer. I love 75 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,919 watching this guy because if anybody ever complains about somebody 76 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:08,840 or something back and was like, oh, I hate that guy, 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,639 I hate. He has no fear about saying I hate 78 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:14,439 some big I mean, because who's the heavier hitter than 79 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:15,159 Joel so far right? 80 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: Not many here, right. 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: So one of the guys that he hated was Michael Eisner, 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,399 Like they both work together at Paramount, right, and they 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,160 hated each other then. And he has been in a 84 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,360 couple of movies and one that you probably don't recognize 85 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:33,560 him from is who framed Roger Rabbit At the beginning, 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,040 you know, the beginnings the cartoon, Yeah yeah, and then 87 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:38,879 you know he has the wrong thing spinning around his head. God, 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,600 and the director's all, yeah, he shaved off his beard. 89 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,519 He plays the director in that movie The Angry you know, 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,439 throwing his stuff down, which was an inside joke by 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,199 Spielberg and Zamechis because it was supposed to be like 92 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,480 a Disney cartoon, and so they had him playing the 93 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,160 part which would be like the Michael Eisner part, because 94 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,600 they knew that they hated each other. And when and 95 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:07,000 when they showed it to Eisner, Eisner's like, who's that 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,360 actor because he had his beard shaved off, and they're like, 97 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:14,519 it's Joel Silver and he's like, well, he did a 98 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:14,920 good job. 99 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: That is great, man. I didn't know that. That's fantastic. 100 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: Have you seen Tropic Thunder? I have. 101 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:23,319 Speaker 1: It's been a while, but I have. 102 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Okay, but you remember the Tom Cruise part. Absolutely, it's 103 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,920 it's a parody of Joel Silver. That kind of raunchy cigar. 104 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Show makes sense. 105 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: Yep, for sure. 106 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: That makes sense, both of these movies. I have a 107 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,759 feeling some cocaine news. What I've got something for you? Yes, 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,519 go ahead, Okay, this is something that I learned that 109 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:44,240 blew me away. 110 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: All right. 111 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:46,439 Speaker 1: I don't want to try and top you right on 112 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,959 the top, and this is what we're about. I'm not 113 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:51,240 trying to top you, Okay. I just found this blew 114 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:54,759 my frigging mind. Okay, Yeah, the Mrta House. All the 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,279 action in lethal weapon happened one, two, three, four, right 116 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,120 and one Joshua crashes the car through the front door. 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,759 Two they blow up the freaking toilet. Part four The 118 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,560 whole house like gets blown up, right right? Okay, So 119 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:08,120 the Merta House, it's a character in all four of 120 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,959 these movies. Right next door to the Myrtal House Okay, 121 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:12,800 this is on the Warner Brothers ranch. 122 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 123 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: Right next door to the Myrtle House is the Christmas 124 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,759 Vacation Chevy Chase House. 125 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: No. 126 00:06:20,399 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: So that means that, in this fictional world that the 127 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Myrtas live in the same house as Todd and Margot. Right, 128 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,959 why is the floor all Todd? 129 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:40,199 Speaker 2: I don't know? Margot? So, what what did Roger Murtaz 130 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:44,079 say when he saw the lights finally light up at 131 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:45,079 the house? 132 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: There is a world where the Murtaz and the Grizzwolds 133 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,720 live next door to each other. 134 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: That's crazy. That is crazy. 135 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:55,199 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so. 136 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,199 Speaker 2: Appropriate that they're both Christmas movies though. 137 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: It absolutely it is, and we will tell you why 138 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,839 in just a little while. Right, do we want to 139 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,839 get into the plot we're kind of, yeah, let's jump 140 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,279 into the plot. 141 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,199 Speaker 2: Let's let's bounce. Do you really want to jump? 142 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that every time with it. 143 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: That's fine with me. Okay. So both of the movies 144 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:18,600 start off and we see our main characters vulnerabilities right 145 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:22,040 off the bat. Right the first time that you see 146 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:26,439 John McClain, he's got white knuckles in the airplane because 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,199 he's scared of flying. Right, So, your big, big hero character, 148 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,480 You've got to keep in mind that this was going 149 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:36,759 on at the time of Rambo and Commando and Conan 150 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:40,399 and where the big hero was invincible, and we introduce 151 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:43,399 our big hero as the guy who's scared of planes. 152 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,959 Speaker 1: In order to relax, he's got to make fists. Was 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,720 his toes with your toes? 154 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: Well? And I guess that's really not all because even 155 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:53,839 as it carries on, we get more vulnerabilities. He's obviously 156 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,920 got marriage on the rocks, and he's also obviously got 157 00:07:56,959 --> 00:07:59,120 an impulsive mouth that we see when he's arguing with 158 00:07:59,160 --> 00:07:59,560 his wife. 159 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: He's kind of a jerk. He's a jerk to Holly, 160 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,079 and he's a little bit of a jerk to our guy. 161 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:04,920 I'll coming out of the Gate. 162 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,839 Speaker 2: And then with Leith a weapon, we've got my gosh, 163 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,439 suicidal Martin Riggs, you know, just living in a dirty, 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,360 nasty trailer, drinking beer from last night, naked to the toilet. 165 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,920 How many movies, by the way, in a row was 166 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,240 Mel Gibson naked? 167 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: Mel Gibson's butt got a co starring credit in like 168 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:25,120 his first ten movies, I know. 169 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: And then we've got Roger, who's too old for this. 170 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: She's fifty years old. Fifty damn years old. 171 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:33,919 Speaker 2: Right. 172 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: Have we talked about the bathtub scene? 173 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't think we did. 174 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,799 Speaker 1: Maybe you touched on it. 175 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, But so let's just my wife put this movie on. 176 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,679 I mean, god, God bless her. I didn't even ask 177 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:47,120 for it. She put it on as a Christmas movie midday, 178 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:49,559 all the kids are there. I'm like, honey, this is 179 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:53,000 not a kid. It didn't matter. Our kids and my 180 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:57,279 nine year old little girl loved it, loved this movie. 181 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,200 But that first scene when there's singing him Happy Birthday 182 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,279 and they come in and he's in the tub. All 183 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,519 of us were like why, why why except my wife, 184 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,200 and she's like, I think it's a cultural thing, and 185 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,000 every single one was like, no, it's not. It's not 186 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,440 a cultural thing. I don't think that any culture does that. 187 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: What what eighteen and sixteen and fourteen year olds bargain 188 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,279 on their dad taking a bit? 189 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Right? A bath? 190 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,159 Speaker 1: A bath? 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: I mean why number one? Why is he taking a 192 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,879 bath in the morning? Right? I mean who, I don't 193 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:26,759 know guys that take baths generally at all, but in 194 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:27,320 the morning. 195 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:29,799 Speaker 1: No, what And you can clearly see there's not a 196 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,080 lot of bubbles. No, the bubbles are gone. 197 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: No, you got a little turtlehead flowing to the top. 198 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:38,960 And it's just no, not comfortable, Lea. 199 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: The weapon would be exposed. 200 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: I mean, any other human being that I know if 201 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,080 this happened, would be grabbing the towel, like, what the 202 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,879 heck are you doing? 203 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: To get out out of here? We wanted to say 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,519 happy birthday? You can tell me later. 205 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,919 Speaker 2: So then let's go back to diehard called action machine 206 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,799 guns firing and women screaming with their tops off and 207 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,639 all kind of stuff. And he's got this split second 208 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:06,440 to get out of the room because he's just been 209 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:07,960 making fists with his toes. 210 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,799 Speaker 1: He's got no shoes, he's barefooted. 211 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: But he does grab his gun. Does that's a man 212 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,519 priorities right there. 213 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: That's right, grab your gun, worry about your shoes later. 214 00:10:14,759 --> 00:10:16,120 First of all, I just want to say point it 215 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,480 out right out of the gate. John mcclean's attitude about 216 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,159 attending his wife's company Christmas party. It's probably the same 217 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,639 as yours of mine. Yeah, how soon before we can 218 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,840 duck out of here? What is the shortest amount of 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,440 time I'm obligated to be here? 220 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: Right? 221 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: Okay? This is the eighties, and I know that we 222 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,360 would like to say this, but there are three playmates 223 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,399 in the movie die Hard. Okay, So there's three playmates 224 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:38,000 in the movie. 225 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: Okay. One of them is the. 226 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Topless girl at the very beginning, which that's the scene 227 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,320 I've always kind of got to put my hand over 228 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,200 my son's eyes. 229 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,639 Speaker 2: There's one. I'll give you one, one playmate right there, 230 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,600 right maybe the story behind that one, by the way, Okay, 231 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:52,519 she got that part. 232 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: She got that part because Joel Silver was interested in dating. 233 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: Her with the quotations with the fingers right there. In 234 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:04,440 order to this radio and not TV, we get to 235 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,720 see the quotation mark. 236 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: In order to convince her to date him, he had 237 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,759 to give her a part in a movie. And that's 238 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:11,360 her part. 239 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,159 Speaker 2: What a payoff? All right? 240 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,919 Speaker 1: So she was in Playboy, all right. 241 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:19,399 Speaker 2: That's number one, all right, number two, Well you got 242 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,840 the girl who's the actual Playboy magazine that's on the wall. 243 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's November of nineteen eighty seven, play 244 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:28,000 Playboy centerfold on the wall right there. 245 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,879 Speaker 2: And that boying sound. I got to capture that boying. 246 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: My girls girls, all right? One more, The World's Greatest 247 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:39,120 Action movie had three playmates that barely get noticed. 248 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: Only hot girl f not that the girls at the 249 00:11:42,039 --> 00:11:46,639 party weren't nice looking girls, and there were the police 250 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,240 officers were nice looking. 251 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,399 Speaker 1: Girls, not police officers. 252 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: Girl at the airport, girl. 253 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:54,759 Speaker 1: At the airport, ding ding ding Ning named all three 254 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:59,120 of them. Good job, Google's search all right, back on track. 255 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So then the call to action for Riggs and 256 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Mertaw obviously is Huntsucker. Right. Huntsacker is like, you've got 257 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,559 to get him, and you've got to kill him, right, 258 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,320 you gotta kill him. 259 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: What you gotta do, You gotta kill him. 260 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,279 Speaker 2: You gotta find him and kill him. Come on, you'll 261 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,440 find him, you'll find I mean, you've killed him. You 262 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,559 can do that. You owe me, right, And so this 263 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,799 is where we see the big differing dynamic between Merton Riggs, 264 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,279 because Riggs, I mean Shane Black toxic. I've heard him 265 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:32,759 say this five times. Riggs is the monster that gets 266 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,000 put away until we need him. Right. He talks about 267 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:39,200 the gentrification of America and how people live their happy 268 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,399 little lives in suburbia and know that the war is over, 269 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,879 and this guy is the only guy that really knows 270 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,000 that the war is still going on. We got two 271 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 veterans here, and by the way, John McLain was also 272 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,720 a veteran like this was. It was originally supposed to 273 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,120 be a three act movie where the first act is 274 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,440 in New York and you find out about his veteran 275 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:00,279 status and you really developed the character. So it's interesting 276 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,039 they eliminated that whole thing. Okay, but anyway, these old 277 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,120 war veterans, some of them, obviously they've got the sniper 278 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,559 mentality of some people just need to die, right, And 279 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,200 obviously Riggs is still in that world have a nice day, 280 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,240 and so he's this Frankenstein that the rest of society 281 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:26,679 wants to hide and put away until evil comes back 282 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,440 into their lives in the middle of suburbia. And then 283 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 it's time to get Frankenstein out and say we need 284 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:41,720 you to save us right now. And so when Huntsackers 285 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:43,320 like you've got to kill him, You've got to kill him, 286 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:45,399 Roger Murtaw is like, we're going to do this by 287 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,120 the rules, and we're going to get him, We're going 288 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,279 to rest them, We're going to protect you and Riggs. 289 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,679 First thing he sees from these guys is Huntsacker getting 290 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,840 sniped from the helicopter. 291 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: Which is a great scene by the way. I don't 292 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,320 know if you know this or not, mister Joshua shoots 293 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:05,120 Huntsecker from his helicopter, which Riggs doesn't notice shows. I mean, 294 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,200 it's just kind of appears. 295 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: That's weird. That's a weird thing, for sure. 296 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:10,399 Speaker 1: But the bullet goes through him and through the carton 297 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,039 of eggdog that he's holding. Yeah, and I guess this 298 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,440 is from The Manchurian Candidate. Oh okay, which was a 299 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,519 Frank Sinatra movie. 300 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that movie. 301 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:21,279 Speaker 1: Okay, hang on one second. D One of the things 302 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,639 they talk about in the movie is that Riggs is 303 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:28,159 a sharp shooter from the war right. That was his background. 304 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,440 He was nineteen years old and is one of the 305 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,639 great marksmen in the Vietnam War. 306 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: Right when I was nineteen, I did a guy in 307 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,399 Laos from a thousand yards out a rifle shot in 308 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,960 high wind. Maybe eight or even ten guys in the 309 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,399 world could have made that shot, the only thing I 310 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:44,519 ever could have one. 311 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,919 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, I read up on the scene where Riggs 312 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,720 is hiding in the desert and Murtad goes to meet 313 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 the bad guys who's going to try and get ran back, 314 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,039 and he pulls out the hand gerna and all that stuff. 315 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,759 So Riggs is in the weeds shooting this rifle and 316 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:58,960 he's dropping bad guys left and right. I don't know 317 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,759 if you know this or not, but that rifle, that 318 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,480 very rifle was designed for a specific purpose. The nineteen 319 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:10,000 seventy two Olympics, when those terrorists took the Israeli Olympic 320 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:13,960 athletes hostage. Yeah, the swat team or whoever arrived to 321 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:17,039 kind of deal with that situation was lamenting the fact 322 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 that they didn't have any sharpshooters and they didn't have 323 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,519 any guns that were good enough. And so that gun 324 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:24,919 that mel Gibson used in that scene was a specifically 325 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,840 designed as a quick accurate from long range to take 326 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,799 out bad guys due to that Olympic terrorist incident. 327 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,639 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, that's awesome. Okay, So Merta wanting to play 328 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,519 by the rules is kind of his refusal to go 329 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,480 into the world of Frankenstein, to go into this mass killing. 330 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,000 And he keeps trying to keeps trying to get him 331 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:50,559 not to kill people. Yeah, I used it. That was ooh, 332 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:52,759 still alive. Now we questioned them. 333 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: You know why we questioned him because I got him 334 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,080 in the lake. 335 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:56,679 Speaker 2: I didn't shoot him from the hole to try to 336 00:15:56,759 --> 00:15:58,559 jump off a building where it's no fair the building 337 00:15:58,559 --> 00:15:59,080 guy lived. 338 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,759 Speaker 1: Now whatever, be no killing, no killing? 339 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: Right? Have you met anybody that you haven't killed? 340 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,799 Speaker 1: I haven't killed you yet. 341 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,759 Speaker 2: Don't do me no favor. And then John McLean's refusal 342 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:14,320 of the call. He's not trying to be Rambow, right, 343 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,759 He's trying to get the cops. 344 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: He runs and hides. Yes, he runs, he pulls the 345 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,039 fire alarm. 346 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to get people to come help, the 347 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,879 people who should be helping. He's trying to get to 348 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:26,360 come help, and he can't get him to come. 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he wants the fireman to show up so he 350 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:30,360 can kiss their fin Dalmatians. 351 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,799 Speaker 2: So you've got this very interesting thing that he's working 352 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:40,480 against both the obvious enemies and against what should be 353 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:43,240 the good guys, which should be the authorities. Right, he's 354 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,639 working against both of them. Both of them are against him. Attention, 355 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,840 whoever you are, this channel is reserved for emergency calls only. 356 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:52,720 Lay sound like I'm wannering a pizza. 357 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:55,679 Speaker 1: That's right, He's pretty unappreciated. 358 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,679 Speaker 2: Glass. And then we talked about the fact that die 359 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:06,359 Hard is sort of a buddy cop movie. Right I 360 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,640 would say so, but yeah, go ahead. But it's interesting 361 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,720 these two movies. If you call Diehard a buddy cop movie, 362 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,440 they are like number two and number three of the 363 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,079 buddy cop genre. Number one you want to guess what 364 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,799 do you think it is? 365 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: The number one? 366 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: First? No? No, no, first, Like we're we've the buddy 367 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,640 cop genre starts. Where do you think it starts? 368 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,319 Speaker 1: Man, I don't know what you get? 369 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: Forty eight hours? 370 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: Oh good, call Stephen Desusa. 371 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: Yes, and so both Jeb Stewart and Shane Black both 372 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,119 pointed forty eight hours and say this was the beginning 373 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,720 of the interesting cop movie. A lot of people will 374 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:46,359 say lethal weapon, but forty eight Hours is really the. 375 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,319 Speaker 1: First one I can see that. I can see that. 376 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: And so you've got Al Powell and you've got John McClain, 377 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:55,759 and obviously Al is there as kind of a mentor 378 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:58,279 to help kind of guide him. Not that he's like wise, 379 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,039 but just that he's a voice of reason and support 380 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:05,119 when it appears that the whole world is against him. Now, 381 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,039 the question for for me to you is who is 382 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,480 the mentor between Riggs and Murta. 383 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:12,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think? 384 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: I think it's both, as much as you can cheat 385 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:23,839 that answer, because it's not the next movie. Shoot. Okay, 386 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:29,160 So Murta is trying to be the mentor for Riggs, right, 387 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:32,119 He's trying to assure him that there that there can 388 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,000 be a better way. You know, Riggs has gone into 389 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:38,440 full crazy and is just hanging on by a thread. 390 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: Hey, look, friend, people either think I'm suicidal, in which 391 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,920 case I'm ft and nobody wants to work with me. 392 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:47,880 Or I'm trying to draw a psycho pension, in which 393 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,359 case I'm a ft and nobody wants to work with me. Basically, 394 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:50,839 I'm ft. 395 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to work with it. 396 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,079 Speaker 1: Hey, don't. 397 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,559 Speaker 2: I ain't got no choice. Yes, we both aft. 398 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Do this all day, right, right, okay, Hey, one thing 399 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:05,240 I want to talk about as we're moving through the plot. 400 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960 I'm sorry, no, leave the weapon. There are three scenes 401 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,519 that introduced Rigs. Okay, oh yeah, one didn't make the movie. 402 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,680 Bits in the director's cut. And so you have the 403 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,920 Rigs where he's at home. He's bare naked and drinking 404 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,720 last Night's. 405 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Be when everybody saw in the theaters back in nineteen 406 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,200 eighty seven. 407 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:25,559 Speaker 1: Clearly he's sad and depressed and messed up. Yeah, okay. 408 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,599 Then you have the other one where he's at the school. 409 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,799 This is on the director's cut. He shows up, there's 410 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:34,480 a school shooter. There's like a snipe sniper yeap, and 411 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,039 he everybody's ducking for cover. Rigs walks out in the 412 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,640 middle of daylight, right, and he says, I'm still here. 413 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:43,079 A hole guy tries to shoot him and Riggs drops him. 414 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's have miss a couple of times. Like, 415 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480 he doesn't even start shopping, he's shooting immediately back. He 416 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,400 just stands there towards the guy trying to let a 417 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,640 cigarette all time. 418 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,519 Speaker 1: It's the equivalent of Rambo screwing his explosive arrow tips 419 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:58,599 in while the guys are trying to shoot him, he's 420 00:19:58,599 --> 00:20:01,039 just getting ready. Yeah okay, right, so that was in 421 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:03,680 the director's cut. Then there is a deleted scene Riggs 422 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,200 is at a bar and these three robbers try to 423 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:07,200 work him over. 424 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:09,079 Speaker 2: And we talked about that a little bit last time. 425 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. So can you quite figure that out? 426 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: I wanted to be that dark, Like the bar scene 427 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,759 was too dark, and then the sniper scene was too 428 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,759 immediately killing a guy. They wanted the character to not 429 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:23,279 be quite so dark as Shane Black had written him, 430 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:25,440 because they wanted there to be hope. You know that. 431 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:28,279 You look at those two scenes and there's a guy 432 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,359 with no hope, and so what you have then instead 433 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:38,599 is the Christmas Tree slash drug deal scene, which is fantastic. 434 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,400 And you told me about one of the guys who's 435 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,559 doing the drug deal, the very last guy to survive. 436 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,440 He's like he's lost his mind, he's got the crazy 437 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,720 eyes and he's threatening him at the end the long airage. 438 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I absolutely learned this and I was blown away. 439 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,000 So the Christmas Tree lot where Riggs is doing this 440 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,160 drug deal and he's paying one hundred Bucks for all 441 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,759 of the cocaine in the world, and they're like hundred thousand. 442 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,480 I love the line where he's like, they're like, you 443 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:04,559 ain't a real cop. 444 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,599 Speaker 2: And that's a real bad dumb a real cop. 445 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,079 Speaker 3: And they said a real pink gun. 446 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: And he says it was such intensity, I'm not going 447 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,079 to try to match it. But the last guy left, 448 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,039 the guy where he's like, hey, shoot this guy, just 449 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,720 shoot this guy. That guy's name is Blackie. Damn it, 450 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:23,079 damn it, damn His real name is John Ketis. He 451 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:26,680 is the father of Anthony Ketis, lead singer of Red 452 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:27,920 Hot Chili Patrick. 453 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, of course they look so much alike. 454 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:42,759 That's awesome. How about that? Yes, okay, So the original 455 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:46,640 question is martaw the mentor or his Riggs the mentor. 456 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,440 It looks like Roger Martin until when they take his daughter, 457 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:55,599 Riggs becomes the mentor. Riggs has to be the one 458 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:57,559 that says, but we got to do it my way, 459 00:21:57,759 --> 00:21:58,880 we got to kill him. 460 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point, great point. And then I would say 461 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960 that Riggs kind of gives that mentor ship back at 462 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,880 the end of the movie. Okay, Frankenstein goes back into 463 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,519 the castle. 464 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: At the end of the movie. Right, Okay, So then 465 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,720 we've got two guys who cannot be good cops. They 466 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:17,680 can be good cops. You've got the scene with Tony. 467 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,400 You won't hurt me, pficers. Police officers have rules. 468 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what my captain keeps telling me. 469 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: Smack. Now, even at that point, he wasn't trying to 470 00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:32,039 kill Tony, right, that was just a happy accident, really 471 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,200 was He was very lucky? Yeah? Yes. And then with 472 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,759 you know, Riggs is obviously got a bad habit of 473 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,720 killing people too quick. And so Murta is like, can 474 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:46,039 we can we just question the guy shot him in 475 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,519 the leg. It's still alive, we can question him. 476 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Let's I want to back up a step because 477 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:53,680 right before Murtaz shoots that guy in the leg, let's 478 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,160 back up a second. There's a suicide jumper that Riggs 479 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,519 goes up to help down right, his job is to 480 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:02,920 bring him down, and Mertos says, look, no guns, no 481 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,160 jiu jitsu, just bring him down. That's his instruction. So Riggs, 482 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,799 as we know, suicidal. This guy is clearly suicidal. He 483 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,000 goes up and says, hey, you want a cigarette, And 484 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,640 when the guy reaches for a cigarette, he cuffs him, 485 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,119 and that's the do you really want to jump? 486 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: You really? Okay? 487 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: And if you watch that scene, there is a blooper 488 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,200 in that scene that bugs the crap out of me. Really, 489 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,599 So here's the deal. When Riggs pulls the guy off e, 490 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,720 they're gonna jump. As they jump, there's a slow motion 491 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,960 where both guys are clearly stunt men and they're both leaping. 492 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:38,920 Their handcuffs break. Oh and they link hands. They like 493 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,799 lock hands and I'm like, guys, we can we try 494 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:43,240 it again? 495 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: No, CGI, and you can't. So it was still the 496 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:46,799 best take. 497 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: Every time I watch it, I'm like that those cuffs 498 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,480 break instantly and they hold hands all the way down. So, 499 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:55,119 but that scene is great because you learn that Riggs 500 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,799 really is suicidal, right. 501 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,559 Speaker 2: Because what follows immediately after that is Murta offering him 502 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,519 his gun, trying to get him to prove that he's 503 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,640 really not crazy. But what he does instead prove I mean, 504 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,279 gets his thumb caught in the hammer of the gun 505 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,799 as the trigger gets pulled. 506 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:14,839 Speaker 1: That and I watched that with my son. He didn't 507 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,000 catch that until this last viewing. Yeah, and when he 508 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,960 sticks his hand the hammer hits home and pinches his finger. 509 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: Yep, so yeah, I mean half second later and he's boom. 510 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:29,720 His brain's on the wall like full metal jacket. Yep. Okay, 511 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:35,440 all right, you're ready to talk enemies, Yes, okay, we have, 512 00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:40,400 in full circumstances, a bad guy and a bad guy's 513 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:45,240 number two, which might be worse than the bad guy himself. True. Right, 514 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:49,960 You've got Hans and you've got Carl. Hans' job is 515 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,720 to keep things in order. He's not concerned about John 516 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,519 McLean insomuch as getting revenge on him or anything like that. 517 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,920 He just wants to keep him from sing up the plan. 518 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,640 You've got to stick to the plan, right, stick to 519 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,480 the plan. And then Carl I want blood. 520 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Carl doesn't want neutral, he wants dead. 521 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: And then for lethal weapon, we of course have the 522 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,680 General General mccowster, that's right, who is ultra calm in 523 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:25,279 all circumstances. Right, and then we've got Joshua, who is 524 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,440 reserved in control but has the crazy behind his eyes, 525 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,720 which is why Gary Busey was the perfect choice. 526 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: He was awesome that he's that albino jack rabbit son 527 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,200 of a bitch that shoots rigs right. 528 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:49,039 Speaker 2: Okay, And so the distinction is on the enemies here though, 529 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:53,640 is in die Hard, you've got a whole slew of 530 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,119 bad guys, and they did really a very good job 531 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,440 of giving each of these what would normally be just 532 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,640 kind of faceless henchman names and personalities. 533 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: It's really true. 534 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, John is also, as I said just before, working 535 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:12,519 against Dwayne T. Robinson and Johnson and Johnson and Thornberg. Yeah. 536 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,480 I mean, he's got everybody in the world against him. 537 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,119 Here's the interesting part. You've got well trained German mercenaries 538 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,319 and then you have well trained American mercenaries and you know, 539 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,759 y Diard versus lethal weapon. But the superiors don't seem 540 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,640 to be against Marta and Riggs in this movie. It 541 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:31,920 kind of happens that way in the following movies a 542 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,440 little bit, but not so much this one, and the 543 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,079 other police officers are helping out like this is. It's 544 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,319 definitely they've got some support, whereas John is acting completely 545 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,440 on his own, well except for Ellis. He's going to 546 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,039 help him out. 547 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,039 Speaker 1: John Boy, Hey, John Boy, Hey, you know one of 548 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:51,880 the things I was gonna mention. You kind of brought 549 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,920 it up there. But in the lethal weapon movies, the 550 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:57,319 LA Cops are not incompetent. In Diehard, the LA Cops 551 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,279 are completely incompetent. 552 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: Certainly Detective Dwayne t. Robinson as well, and Al Powell 553 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:07,119 drives a car like. 554 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: The tournament car and that Swiss cheese. Uh yeah, but 555 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,119 you got Dwayne t Robinson. The guy's coming in the 556 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,920 front door, clueless guy who grabs the rose sticker on his. 557 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: Quarterback is By the way, do we like THEO? There's 558 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,880 a lot of hate for the there, and I think 559 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,920 THEO is absolutely hilarious. I love the fantastic When. 560 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: He comes in his opening scene, he's like magic. This 561 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,160 is just to ac back to magic, over to Kareem boom. Yeah, 562 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,440 just he has that great interesting Hey do you want 563 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,759 to hear my Danny Glover invitation more than anything in 564 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,960 the world. Okay, I don't do invitations. I got when 565 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,680 invitation is very short. Danny Glover as Roger Murta. Yes, 566 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:01,279 he rigs, he riggs, thank you, thank you, thank you. 567 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 2: That's all he said, is like a fifty times. He 568 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,799 does do that a lot. It doesn't do that a lot. Okay, 569 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,279 So what do you think is the lowest point for 570 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,519 these guys like, what's the lowest point. Let's start with 571 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,160 John McLean. What's the lowest point in the movie. 572 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,839 Speaker 1: When he's picking glass out of his bare feet? 573 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,759 Speaker 2: Totally agree, Totally agree. 574 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: That's not an eighties tough man. When he drags himself 575 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,519 into the bathroom leaking blood everywhere. 576 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's that. I mean, have you ever stepped 577 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,599 on glass before? Oh? 578 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, hurts, Yeah, yes it does, all things being equal, 579 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,079 I would rather be in Philadelphia. 580 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:40,759 Speaker 2: When I step on glass. Yes, nice, nicely done. It 581 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:48,880 is a fly in the weight man. So at that point, 582 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,599 this is where he when he reaches that low point, 583 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,359 he has that moment of revelation where he realizes what 584 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,119 a jerk he's been to his wife. And this is 585 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,400 the thing he talked about Jeb Steward realizing whenever he 586 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,400 almost got you know what, it gets hit by the 587 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,000 what he thinks is a refrigerator box. I mean it 588 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,759 is a box, but it's just the box. Right. He 589 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,200 thinks he's going to die having just had a fight 590 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,759 with his wife where he knows he's wrong and is 591 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,680 never going to have the opportunity to just say I'm sorry. Yeah. 592 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,319 Speaker 1: The low point for Martin Riggs. Yeah, when he pulls 593 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,640 the trigger of the gun and Mr Todd gets his 594 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,359 handcut by the hammer. Okay, okay, like you said, half 595 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,279 a second later, brain's on the wall. 596 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that for it to be truly the 597 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480 lowest moment, there has to be the turnaround, Like, there 598 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,599 has to be the turnaround. And so I'm going to 599 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,119 say after he's been tortured by the electric shock, because 600 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:47,920 he's just I mean, he's hanging defeated, he appears to 601 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,240 be dead and still manages to come back to life. 602 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,359 And I'll say this, the scene where he grabs the 603 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,240 guy's head with his legs is a bit absurd. 604 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,799 Speaker 1: It's absurd because the guy's. 605 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: Just letting his hands out. Really, this guy's just gonna 606 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,599 let his hands hang back. 607 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: They need to register Riggs's ankles as lethal. 608 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: Right, And so I would say that also Murta's lowest 609 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,920 point is that same incident. Right, they're both captured, they're 610 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,559 both tortured or beaten, and his turnaround is I'm ready 611 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,440 to break the rules. Yeah, I'm ready to do whatever 612 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,079 it takes to get these guys. 613 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Hey, one of the things I want to point out, 614 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,920 just a little tidbit go ahead, little side tidbit. I 615 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,359 don't know how to verify this, but there's a scene 616 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,920 right after the suicide jumper, Riggs pulls down the suicide jumper. Yes, 617 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:39,559 Murta uses a mobile phone to call the psychiatrist and says, look, 618 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,440 this guy's really crazy. She's like, absolutely, it's crazy. You 619 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,279 should not be around him when he blows. 620 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: Right. 621 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,839 Speaker 1: My understanding is that is the first on screen use 622 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:50,200 of a cellular phone. 623 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's interesting. 624 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how to verify this. That's one of 625 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,559 the things I read. 626 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,119 Speaker 2: Interesting. 627 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,799 Speaker 1: You know what the internet is? 628 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: You get me to drive? 629 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: No, you want a fresh cry? 630 00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:10,119 Speaker 2: Okay? And then again another parallel, the Triumph saving a 631 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,279 kidnapped member of the family. Right, yeah, both movies. You 632 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,640 have a kidnapping. Both movies the heroes are related to 633 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,799 the kidnap victim and have to save them and paying 634 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:23,440 frea fantastic No, it's. 635 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Amazing, love it. 636 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:29,079 Speaker 2: So that brings me to the death of the bad guys. 637 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,680 So let's talk about enemy death in lethal weapon. Okay, 638 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,160 death number one is the general, right, Murtag gets the 639 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,200 general so to speak. My who was it? I think 640 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,880 Caleb was watching my eleven year old. It's like he 641 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,279 doesn't even get to shoot him. Right, That was that 642 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,640 was an interesting thing. You know. He's he dies kind 643 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,519 of of his own. 644 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,279 Speaker 1: He flips the car, the car's on fire, and there's 645 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:56,200 grenades laying around. 646 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: Right. It's his it's his own instruments to put him 647 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440 to death. And it's his own arrogance that puts him 648 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,039 to death because instead of like taking cover or backing 649 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,559 the car back into the garage, they're like, let's just 650 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,559 drive as fast as we can at this police officer 651 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 who has to have a gun at this point. Right, 652 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,880 but you see him break down. I mean that death 653 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,559 scene where he's just panicked, he's lost all composure. 654 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: It's there's a grenade by my face, yep, and I 655 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:25,599 can't reach it. 656 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 657 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: Hey, right before that scene, just back up just one second. 658 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,079 So Riggs does the lethal ankles on. The torture guy 659 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,440 comes in, takes over, shoots some bad guys. Joshua and 660 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,200 the general get away. Okay, Now the pursuit is on 661 00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,960 at this point, and he rescues Rhann and merch On. Yes, 662 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,799 when they come out, they go to the heavy metal 663 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,799 dance club whatever it is, right, Oh yeah, and he 664 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,960 just starts blowing people away, right, and like nobody notices 665 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:57,440 right after they shoot the bartender. 666 00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: That was another thing. I was like, why did people 667 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,200 not start running until like the fifth guy died. 668 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: Riggs just walks out and just starts shooting people. Yeah, 669 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,240 Now we as the audience just take for granted that 670 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,000 those are bad guys. Clearly it's a front. 671 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: For They had a name Dagon, he said, bad guy. 672 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: It is all right, Riggs just walks out and blowing 673 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400 people away. Hey, man, we're closed. 674 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,319 Speaker 2: Boo boo boom. You don't have to go home, but 675 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,079 you can't stay. And then we have the death of Hans. 676 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,519 Speaker 1: The death of Hans. 677 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: So we talked about these movies being cowboy movies, yes, 678 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,599 and we'll talk in a bit about them being Christmas movies. Yes. 679 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,440 But you've got the hero at the end of his rope, 680 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,559 and what does he do when he realizes he's only 681 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:57,359 got two bullets? Two bullets, two bullets and two bad guys. Yes, 682 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,160 so you have the perfect end to a cowboy movie, 683 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,480 a joke followed by a bullet in the head. 684 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: It's awesome, so awesome. 685 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: So what does he do? He comes in with the 686 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,079 machine gun in his hand because he has taped his revolver, 687 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,199 although I know it's not a revolver. Folks don't know. 688 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Write in to his back with tape that says, season's great. 689 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, more Christmas? Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's a 690 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440 face off here, it is. It's the show down. 691 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: And to further emphasize the cowboy moviness of it all, 692 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,360 Huey Lewis gets the bullet in the head after in 693 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,239 the middle of his laugh or jack funny joke. Actually, 694 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,159 I guess it's Hans that makes the joke. It is 695 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:50,039 the worst pronunciation of mother ever. What was it you said? Again? 696 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh? 697 00:34:50,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: Yes, ah. Then Hans doesn't die right away, and of 698 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,519 course the damsel in distress has to be saved. And 699 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,039 you know, she's being pulled out of the window. And 700 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,199 what is it that won't release from her hand? It's 701 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480 that Rolex watch for that job she got, Yeah, the. 702 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: One that Ellis was so intent on John looking at. 703 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: At the beginning. Yep, so has to release the rewards 704 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,960 of her women's lib so that the cowboy hero can 705 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,440 save us. 706 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,079 Speaker 1: Right, quit your job, stay on with your husband. 707 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: Is that the message? Yeah? Kind of is right, kind 708 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,960 of is but hey, you know what, that's part of 709 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,760 the reason that guys love this movie. All Right, Well, 710 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,800 that does it for episode two of the Diehard Versus 711 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Lethal Weapon. 712 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: All Right, d The good news is you don't have 713 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,440 to wait that long. We're actually going to release episode 714 00:35:48,480 --> 00:36:01,920 three tomorrow. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.