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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, welcome to part two of the Shell Lake Massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 2>A true crime podcast. Good morning. The following podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>Jean's grabbing content and material intended more mature audience. Listener

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<v Speaker 2>discretion is advice. Welcome back, Welcome to part two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you left us all hanging.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. The first part was a little bit like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of information overload. So if you guys made

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<v Speaker 2>it through the first part, good on you. If you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't listened to it, you gotta listen to it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so much there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was information overload, but it like had you on

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<v Speaker 1>the oh, the edge of your seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, sir, you gotta listen to it before you hear this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you left us right at this is like

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go right at the exact edge where it all

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<v Speaker 2>takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where he's who was it the Pete something Peterson.

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<v Speaker 2>The Peterson family's home. But who was the dude Victor

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<v Speaker 2>Ernest Hoffman, Not that.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude the duty ran into into the house.

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<v Speaker 2>The dad that's James Peterson, James James and the Peterson

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<v Speaker 2>family home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was looking for the James, Looking for the James.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you do Italian hands when you said looking

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<v Speaker 2>for the James. Hey in the looking for the James,

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<v Speaker 2>you know James b I don't know what just fell right, Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. I've never seen you do Italian hands before.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh now, yeah, I'm keeping things real.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that's going to be like a reoccurring thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to watch out for.

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<v Speaker 1>Those for my Italian an.

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<v Speaker 2>You're looking for the James, I'm looking for the Italian hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, no chit chen.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So just a real quick recap where we left off.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor was going through all his mental health stuff, got

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<v Speaker 2>out of the hospital and he's still having those urges,

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<v Speaker 2>and he ended up at the farmhouse of the Peterson family.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll read the last couple of sentences again of

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode, just to refresh your mind yet. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So when he entered the house, he recognized the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had seen it before in a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>But that thought was cut short as he was greeted

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<v Speaker 2>by the shouting of a man saying, who is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I totally lost my spot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the James, This is the James.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside the house was the family known as the Peterson's,

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<v Speaker 2>and a man who was speaking was the father James Peterson, Like, what.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck are you doing to my house? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like two in the morning and someone walks

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<v Speaker 2>into your house. I wouldn't, James, I'm a heavy sleeper.

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<v Speaker 2>But if there's a noise, you know, sh it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get real.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gone over the right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're there bolting down the stairs, ready to fight anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>So James repeated himself, and when he saw the gun

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<v Speaker 2>in Victor's hands, he jumped up, ready to come forward

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<v Speaker 2>towards Victor and defend his family. Oh definitely, pants, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would have already have shipped my pants just

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<v Speaker 2>having someone come in my house at two am. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, who's there?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh definitely. So he is ready to defend his family,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that moment, as James stood up to come

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<v Speaker 2>towards Victor, Victor swung the gun towards James and pulled

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<v Speaker 2>the trigger. Yikes, shot and wounded. James kept coming forward

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<v Speaker 2>towards Victor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh badass of the day badass of.

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<v Speaker 2>The day right here. Definitely, he was definitely going forth

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<v Speaker 2>to protect his family all costs. So props on you, James,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>So by now the small farmhouse filled with the Peterson

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<v Speaker 2>family was fully awake and in terror. Gunshots and loud

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<v Speaker 2>noises going like crazy, I could imagine. So James managed

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<v Speaker 2>to get to Victor and grab him by the neck,

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<v Speaker 2>but he could only last so long because Victor began

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot multiple times he unloaded. He shot James a

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<v Speaker 2>total of eleven times.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, shit, before.

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<v Speaker 2>He collapsed to the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that's a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 2>That's horrific. And of course, like his wife is just

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<v Speaker 2>right there as well, watching this, and the kids are

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<v Speaker 2>now screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the vision that that is just terrifying. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, get this though an interview with Victor afterwards. This

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<v Speaker 2>is something he said in the interview or it might

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<v Speaker 2>have been, sorry, not an interview, but like with the

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital interview sort of thing. Okay, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a direct quote from him. If he had talked quiet

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<v Speaker 2>and told me I was wrong, it would have all

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<v Speaker 2>been right. He could have helped me and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have killed him, but he tried to stop me.

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<v Speaker 1>The James dude, he's saying that, James, you should have

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<v Speaker 1>just like talked softly to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you think he came he came forward to

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<v Speaker 2>try and physically stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Him breaking in his house was a gun, yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't even know if that would have stopped him. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>he had already had this super urge. Well, yes, and no,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one would be no one would do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I agree, no one would do that. The first

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<v Speaker 2>instinct is defend, right exactly. You know, you're most likely

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be like it's okay, put the gun down.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're to help. Like, that's not someone's initial reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that'd be a nice reaction to.

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<v Speaker 2>But by that statement there, Victor, he's like, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>call out for him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>He just he's looking for someone to help.

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<v Speaker 1>Him and no one's helping him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, James wasn't there to help him. He was there

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<v Speaker 2>to defend his family. Yeah, that's not what or what

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<v Speaker 2>Victor wanted. So James died because of that choice, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the choice of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Will make oh yeah, even more like ninety nine point.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine note nine point ninety ninety nine repeater.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, So dang, that's sad the shit.

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<v Speaker 2>After James laid on the floor, Victor stepped farther into

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<v Speaker 2>the house and to him he had no pity for

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<v Speaker 2>the family. Another quote, I was a little scared when

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<v Speaker 2>I shot him, but I wasn't sorry. To Victor, the

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<v Speaker 2>Peterson's looked like quote unquote pigs. He was disgusted when

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at them and had no respect for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And were they almost like devil like then?

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<v Speaker 2>Looking most likely?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, He described the devil as a pig.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. So two young girls hid under their covers in

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<v Speaker 2>bed and shouted, please don't shoot. I don't want to die.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor didn't stop though he already murdered, so why stop now?

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<v Speaker 2>He pulled the trigger and then pulled the trigger again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now during all this, like I said, the mother of

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<v Speaker 2>the family, Evelyn Peterson, she was there watching James try

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<v Speaker 2>and fight off Victor.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was trying to escape. She was trying to climb out

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<v Speaker 2>the window, and she was holding their baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, because I was like, what the frick O

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<v Speaker 1>get your kids?

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<v Speaker 2>No, she's she's holding their youngest, their baby. So she

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<v Speaker 2>managed to climb out the window to the back, and

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<v Speaker 2>just as she made it outside, she was shot. Victor

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<v Speaker 2>went outside and ensured she didn't escape. He went back

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<v Speaker 2>inside and continued to shoot everyone. He executed them, all,

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<v Speaker 2>the entire family. He planned on shooting everyone in the

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<v Speaker 2>head so he could cut off their heads and take

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<v Speaker 2>the impaled bullets with them so there wouldn't be evidence

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<v Speaker 2>left behind. However, some stray bullets he didn't bother because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like I didn't get them all in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Because here's the thing. Twenty two caliber rifles are notorious

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<v Speaker 2>for this. The mafia back in the day would actually

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<v Speaker 2>enough that it will enter the skull, but it will

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<v Speaker 2>not exit, so it'll enter and like bounce around inside,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially scrambling the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet, that's a nice visual. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's real going there.

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<v Speaker 2>So theoretically, if he did shoot everyone in the head head,

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<v Speaker 2>their head would contain the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh okay, but he like missed and she missed and.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship, so that wasn't the case. There's no point. So

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't end up doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was a stream is shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So huh, now where am I here? I lost my spot?

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<v Speaker 1>I still I still hung up on the whole, like

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<v Speaker 1>if he would have spoke softly. I don't believe that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who's to say whether it's true or not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a clear cry for help though, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I have another like firing question here, but I'm want

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<v Speaker 1>to just keep it to myself because you're probably getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what you're going for. And you remember

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<v Speaker 2>when I warned everyone at the beginning of part one

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a real heavy moment. We're getting to a

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<v Speaker 2>real heavy moment, so Befoe warned. Oh so Victor saw

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<v Speaker 2>and shot everyone, or so he thought. One little girl

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<v Speaker 2>was actually seems, sitting in bed between her two dead siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>She was cowering under the blankets, and that was four

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<v Speaker 2>year old Phyllis Peterson. Victor raised his gun and pointed

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<v Speaker 2>it at Phyllis, but he didn't pull the trigger. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually let her live. He figured she couldn't really identify him,

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<v Speaker 2>being four years old. Okay, right, I guess, And later on.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually did say that she didn't look like a

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<v Speaker 2>pig to him. She had the quote face of an angel.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty sure that everyone else did look like

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<v Speaker 2>a demon to him, like the pig demon thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if she looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>An angel, she looked like she was being saved or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did let her live.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't shoot her little four year old Phyllis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, little four year old Phyllis. So Victor clearly was

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<v Speaker 2>like thinking about like thinking outside the box. He was

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<v Speaker 2>already prepared to take the heads for the m O.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't want to leave evidence behind, so he

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<v Speaker 2>was already on that. He began walking around and collecting

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<v Speaker 2>bullet shells the cartridges from the shells left over, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so he picked up seventeen in total and put them

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<v Speaker 2>in his pocket. He took another jar full of ammunition

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<v Speaker 2>from the house and a total of seven dollars from

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<v Speaker 2>wallets that he found within the house. He left the

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<v Speaker 2>house and planned on driving off, but when he did so,

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<v Speaker 2>he heard something, uh, oh, something crying.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang it.

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<v Speaker 2>The mother Evelyn was holding the baby when she tried

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<v Speaker 2>to escape out the window. But yeah, that was baby Larry.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor didn't want to shoot Larry, but he kind of thought,

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<v Speaker 2>how long would it be until someone found him? A

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<v Speaker 2>few days? Maybe Larry's probably not. Larry's likely to starve

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<v Speaker 1>So terrible reasoning.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor didn't want him to suffer. That's that's his reasoning.

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<v Speaker 1>That's shit.

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<v Speaker 2>And Victor hated himself for doing it. But he raised

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<v Speaker 2>his gun one last time and he shot baby Larry

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<v Speaker 2>before leaving the Peterson farm behind.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was so hoping that little babe would be saved. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>just phyllis. Just phyllis, Which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So he claims he didn't want to shoot Larry. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just a matter of he didn't want it to suffer.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't want that cat to suffer either. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to play devil's advocation, I know, but that's no

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's totally dumb, but I mean, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a chance baby Larry could have suffered, so in his mind,

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<v Speaker 2>he's putting baby Larry out of his misery. Yes, he's

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<v Speaker 2>murdering in cold blood. Don't fucking do that, totally Gillius.

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<v Speaker 1>She would have suffered too.

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<v Speaker 2>She's four, she can feed herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she's surrounded by her dead family. That's worse. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but so see that reasoning. No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to argue his thought point. Not that

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with this thought point. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>No, just no, just no.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for making this easier on me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to tell a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. No, I know where you're going.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you good? No, are you like going to cry?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually no, I'm okay, you sure, Yeah, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I need some tissues for your issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, moving on, moving on from that. So that morning,

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<v Speaker 2>someone actually arrived at the Peterson farm after Victor had left.

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<v Speaker 1>Well exactly, I didn't think it'd be long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was another farmer by the name of wil

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<v Speaker 2>Drew lang Wildrew was actually supposed to help James on

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<v Speaker 2>the farm by doing some hanging in the fields. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually convenient. It's it was scheduled. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The ship that guy saw so as soon as he

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<v Speaker 2>pulled into the driveway and onto the property, he promptly

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<v Speaker 2>began working in the fields. And expecting James to come

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<v Speaker 2>out and greet them and start working with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he just went right to work. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>However, that didn't happen. After a while, In fact, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple hours, James never came out. At about nine am,

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<v Speaker 2>Wildrew went up to the house, you know, thinking James

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<v Speaker 2>slept in. He's gonna buggam or whatever, right and make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of him. You know, you slept in, ha ha.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing he noticed was the family dog. The

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<v Speaker 2>family dog was just very timid, very scared, not wagging

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<v Speaker 2>its tail nothing. The second thing he noticed the mom

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<v Speaker 2>the usual noise from the house, the hustle and bustle.

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<v Speaker 2>It was strangely quiet, eerily quiet, definitely like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Just silence.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave me chills. Damn, we're good, anyways, I say, anyways

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, don't I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways. So he approached the house and he went inside,

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<v Speaker 2>and immediately he saw James laying on the floor covered

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<v Speaker 2>in blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly he drove off right away to go call for help.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had to travel six kilometers actually to do so,

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the closest telephone post. Okay, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can call police. Yeah, immediately RCMP came to the scene,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first thing was, you know, a little survivor,

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<v Speaker 2>four year old Phyllis. She went to go be taken

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<v Speaker 2>care of by her uncle who lived nearby Only Lake

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was like five kilometers away or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. And then once she was safe, the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation immediately immediately began.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I feel bad for her.

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<v Speaker 2>Phyllis. Actually, she doesn't remember much, but she does remember

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<v Speaker 2>when she's being carried out of the house that the

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<v Speaker 2>officer carrying her was just crying. Really, she said that

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<v Speaker 2>she remembers him crying as he was carrying Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>That sad. They probably knew the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Most likely. I mean it's a very tight knit community

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<v Speaker 2>around here. Everyone knows everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>That almost makes me want to cry. So she's probably

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<v Speaker 1>still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah she is. Oh wow, Yeah, she's alive. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>So multiple police dogs were brought in. Dozens of officers

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<v Speaker 2>combed the scene, bushlines, the farm, They searched nearby houses.

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<v Speaker 2>Search parties of up to two hundred and fifty people

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<v Speaker 2>were ready to go on a moment's notice. As for clues,

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<v Speaker 2>the main sources of evidence that was left behind that

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<v Speaker 2>they had to go on. Were five twenty two caliber

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<v Speaker 2>cartridge shells that were left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I missed some, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Missed some, and a couple bloody footprints that were on

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so his foot his.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoeprint shoeprints that did not match any of the shoes

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<v Speaker 2>or any of the families. You know, fucked up, he

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up. So the house, however, ho what okay? So

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<v Speaker 2>the house, however, did give a small idea of what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of person who potentially could have done this. That

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<v Speaker 2>sentence was written weird when I first read, it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sense that before.

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<v Speaker 2>So the house wasn't ransacked, which means it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>a robbery, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he tall, I can't even speak. Store seven bucks out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of wallets, you know, and like a jar off the

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<v Speaker 2>fridge or something right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also stole some bullets or something to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the jar full of ammunition. So it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not ransacked. They weren't stealing you know, jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>Or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a couple of dollars dollars out of wallets,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. Yeah, there is no signs of sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's not a motive. The Peterson's had no known enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone in the area knows each other and is nice

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<v Speaker 2>and friendly, and it seems like it was a single perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 2>So they thought perhaps this was random and the killer

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<v Speaker 2>just happened onto their farm.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like from somewhere else or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what kind of person would commit that? What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of individual would commit a random, gruesome act is

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of question they were asking. Maybe someone who

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<v Speaker 2>has a history of violence, or maybe a mental.

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<v Speaker 1>Illness, mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're already right on the trail of Victor.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang, that didn't take long.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, not at all. I spelt Victor's name wrong here

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<v Speaker 2>I put Vitter so Vitter. Victor lived approximately sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>kilometers away from the Peterson's farm, Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was going to ask at one point how far they

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<v Speaker 1>were away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's it's another small community sixty five kilometers away.

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<v Speaker 2>But with such a shocking case, you know, we're travel

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<v Speaker 2>seriously fast. And Victor began to think he might actually

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<v Speaker 2>be caught. I mean, we're talking about this, so clearly

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<v Speaker 2>he did. But we'll get under that. Maybe our CNP

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<v Speaker 2>would do like ballistic testing on his gun and they

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<v Speaker 2>would find that way, and he actually went to go

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<v Speaker 2>do some like he went to fire off like a

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<v Speaker 2>major amount of shells in his gun to try and

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<v Speaker 2>change the rifling inside his barrel. Because each barrel has

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<v Speaker 2>basically a fingerprint, is how it is. There's a spiral

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<v Speaker 2>carved inside the barrel to help the bullet fly like

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<v Speaker 2>a football. Okay, and each spiral is slightly different. It's

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<v Speaker 2>never going to be the same. They can carve it the.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad they can. Actually, that's how they pinpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>They can identify guns basically by the slight differences.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, if you shoot it, the more it could change that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he went he wanted to go shoot it off

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<v Speaker 2>a couple hundred times so that bullets are rubbing along

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<v Speaker 2>that so maybe it would change change right, Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even file down the firing pin a little bit so

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<v Speaker 2>that the pin mark, because it's a small hammer that

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<v Speaker 2>hits the back of the cartridge to cause a little

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<v Speaker 2>explosion that pushes the the bullet out. So he was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna file the pin a little bit different shapes. When

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<v Speaker 2>they match the cartridge shells, the pin looks different. He

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<v Speaker 2>went to go do that, but his brother actually had

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<v Speaker 2>taken his gun off to another farm, so he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even have his gun. He couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is actually kind of smart, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if people actually do that like nowadays or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people these days are that smart. I

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<v Speaker 2>think farm people like farm people are smart. They have ingenuity,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that today's people are dumb. It's just it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot easier for us, so we don't tend to think.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like they don't have a such like or

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<v Speaker 1>common sense isn't as common nowadays.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, it's enginuity. It's street smarts versus smarts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so he went to go do that, but he couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>What actually happened was a neighbor actually gave him away.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, how four days after the massacre, a neighbor

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<v Speaker 3>contacted the RCMP and told them about Victor and his

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<v Speaker 3>recent release.

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<v Speaker 2>From the hospital, which just so fit the type of

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<v Speaker 2>person they were looking for. They quickly paid him a visit,

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<v Speaker 2>and when they did, on his doorstep, just so happened

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<v Speaker 2>to be a pair of boots that sat there, matching

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<v Speaker 2>the bloody prints to the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, he done, he done.

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<v Speaker 2>He was quickly taken into custody and questioned, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>rightfully so. And it didn't take him long to actually

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<v Speaker 2>start confessing to it either.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, hey, they broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Him quick, only about ten minutes. Oh like real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick. He confessed well because he didn't actually want

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. I think he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't, and I mean I can't imagine he would

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<v Speaker 2>have much mental strength with all the battles he's gone through. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So he confessed everything, the shooting of each family member,

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<v Speaker 2>his twenty two caliber gun that he used that was

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<v Speaker 2>later matched to the retrieved cartridges and bullets, the voices

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<v Speaker 2>in his heads that told his head heads, the voices

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<v Speaker 2>in his head that told him to do it. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go. I got that sentence, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But Victor also confessed to another thing. He confessed he

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<v Speaker 2>was done killing. He knew he wouldn't do it again.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost like it was over. Something had lifted

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<v Speaker 2>from him and he was free of the urges to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, which was probably like such a nice feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>For him, probably, but I mean that was quite whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>I just me all over again. Oh my god, that

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<v Speaker 2>was quite the cost. Sorry, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Face too, was like, you're almost like terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like I had like a voice crack and

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<v Speaker 2>a frog in my throat at the same time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was weird. Oh oh that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish that they could see your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Welcome to the Krusty Berger. My bad guys. Sorry,

434
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<v Speaker 2>that was okay? At what cost? Did you know? Have

435
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<v Speaker 2>that relief? Relief fat for him? So yeah so. RCMP

436
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<v Speaker 2>actually later confessed that Victor, if he had disposed of

437
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<v Speaker 2>his boots and altered his rifle like he planned, most

438
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<v Speaker 2>likely would have gotten away with the murder. Why how

439
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<v Speaker 2>could they have pinned it to him if he didn't confess.

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<v Speaker 2>If he didn't confess, didn't have his boots and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the rifle to match, they had nothing else to

442
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<v Speaker 2>to pin him to it.

443
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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing huh interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they were actually taking him away, like the

445
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<v Speaker 2>cops were actually pulling him away, what actually gave his

446
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<v Speaker 2>boots away too was Victor was trying to like, oh,

447
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<v Speaker 2>just give me one minut I'm just gonna just burn

448
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:52.279
<v Speaker 2>these old boots, sort of like he was trying to

449
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<v Speaker 2>get rid of the boots there like then and there,

450
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<v Speaker 2>and that's what caught the attention of the boots to

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<v Speaker 2>the RCMP. Last minute, he tried to ditch the boots, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It yeah, oh gosh, it's surprising that he didn't. It's

453
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<v Speaker 1>earlier really.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean he had four days.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what was he doing in those four days?

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<v Speaker 2>One thing though, Victor did have to say, remember because

457
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<v Speaker 2>I was saying how it's like almost like he had

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<v Speaker 2>a cry for help before with that thing. Yeah, here's

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<v Speaker 2>another quote from him. If I had had someone to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to, I wouldn't have committed murder. It's a direct

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<v Speaker 2>quote from Victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we had talked about that, which just my

463
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<v Speaker 1>head almost hurt a little to me.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Is definitely pointing to the hospital with only releasing him

465
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<v Speaker 2>with in two months, like are you insane?

466
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and it doesn't really sound like they helped him

467
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<v Speaker 1>much there, like he needed like a counselor and stuff.

468
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<v Speaker 2>And like, well, and he tried to talk about it

469
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<v Speaker 2>and they're just like, no, it's in your head. And

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<v Speaker 2>he realized that the more he talked about it, the

471
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<v Speaker 2>longer he'd be there to avail.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just is he still alive. Are we getting there?

473
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<v Speaker 2>We're getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting there, okay. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>So after this, when he was convicted, he was immediately

476
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<v Speaker 2>placed in hospital and he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

477
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<v Speaker 2>He was found not guilty of his crimes by reason

478
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<v Speaker 2>of insanity okay. In February of nineteen sixty eight. He

479
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<v Speaker 2>was placed in custody of physicians, where he spent his

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<v Speaker 2>time in an Ontario based institution until December two thousand

481
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<v Speaker 2>and one, when he was granted supervised access to select

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<v Speaker 2>towns in Ontario.

483
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

484
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<v Speaker 2>And the hospital was only required to inform the local

485
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<v Speaker 2>police of Victor's police So there's only the police they

486
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<v Speaker 2>had to talk to you, like, oh, by the way,

487
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<v Speaker 2>he's going out today, That's all they had to do.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very reminiscent of the story the beheading on

489
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<v Speaker 2>the Greyhound bus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he Victor didn't go and change his name. Well

491
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<v Speaker 1>Victor for some reason, I feel worse for Victor.

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<v Speaker 2>Victor were telling it from his perspective is probably why. Maybe,

493
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<v Speaker 2>but Victor never really got released. It was like day passes, right,

494
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<v Speaker 2>Victor got okay, So let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Write that I need to say, like I still feel

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<v Speaker 1>bad as shit for that other family. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what happened to them? Like whole So yeah, when

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<v Speaker 2>he was he was granted supervised access to select towns,

499
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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Even oh okay and even never like a loan and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, so that did like stir up controversy, and I

502
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<v Speaker 2>mean rightfully. So, yeah, we have this he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He destroyed a family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have this mass murderer just the day passes one, two, three, four, five, Uh,

505
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<v Speaker 2>a little more than that. We're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the exact number and names here in a moment. So

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<v Speaker 2>Victor did actually end up passing away in custody on

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<v Speaker 2>May twenty first of two thousand and four. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>the victims of the massacre are James Peterson, age forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>They all have the last name Peterson, so I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>say the first names. So James forty seven, Evelyn forty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeane seventeen, Mary thirteen, Dorothy eleven, Pearl nine, William five,

513
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<v Speaker 2>Colin was two, and Larry was one. Holy shit, So

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<v Speaker 2>a family of nine lost their lives that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so like nine people lost their lives, but it

516
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<v Speaker 1>was a family of ten.

517
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<v Speaker 2>It was actually a family of eleven. The Peterson's oldest daughter,

518
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<v Speaker 2>Kathy Peterson Kathy Peterson Hill, who had actually been married.

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<v Speaker 2>She was about twenty at the time, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>living in British Columbia, a small logging town. Apparently very

521
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<v Speaker 2>well might have been Prince George. I didn't look it up.

522
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<v Speaker 2>So she moved back to the Peterson farm after this

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<v Speaker 2>incident to take custody of her youngest sister and take

524
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<v Speaker 2>care of the farm.

525
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where Phillis grew up. And that is the case

527
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<v Speaker 2>of the Shell Lake massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea it was nine. That's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine family members. I'm losing my voice a little bit

530
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<v Speaker 2>right now. I think you are, Yeah, getting a little

531
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<v Speaker 2>bit raspy.

532
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<v Speaker 1>You Okay, I'm good.

533
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I just need something to drink.

534
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>You need some water, okay. Yeah. Honestly, just like when

535
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>we were going through the case, I didn't I had

536
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<v Speaker 1>no idea. I thought it was five or so.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's nine in total. And he just executed them

538
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<v Speaker 2>all wow in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Farmhouse nuts And did he ever like get better at

540
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>all or no? Like I wonder like all his time

541
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>that he spent in the facility, if he changed it

542
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>all or how got the help he needed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is such an in depth story, especially when it

544
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 2>comes to like his mental state. I'm sure that there's

545
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>some information on that out there. I just I dug

546
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>so deep already I didn't get into the aftermath on

547
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>his state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's good that he got because it's not the

549
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 1>same as the Greyhound one because the Greyhound one, like

550
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>was pretty much like a free man. He never really

551
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 1>became a free man.

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00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's for sure. But it's the part where

553
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.799
<v Speaker 2>it's similar in my perspective anyways, is he was granted

554
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>these day passes where it's not really known to the public.

555
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Even yeah, that he's out and about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you have this person who committed such a

557
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 2>horrendous crime just you know, shopping next to year at Walmart.

558
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, oh, the the watermelons ripe, I don't know,

559
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>want me to pop a twenty two caliber in it

560
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and see if it is like fun?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding, you could just be making small talk

562
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>with the Yeah, mass murder in the grocery store.

563
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. So that's where the similarities are. And I

564
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>think the biggest issue lays with how hospitals really treat

565
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 2>people and patients who have these disorders and issues, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Because by the sounds of it, this case could have

567
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<v Speaker 1>been prevented.

568
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<v Speaker 2>Really Oh yeah, definitely, I definitely need water.

569
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, why don't we just wrap this up because

570
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<v Speaker 1>Ben has some survival something just.

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<v Speaker 2>For context for everyone, because we are filming the first

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<v Speaker 2>part and second part back to back, back to back,

573
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<v Speaker 2>and all I had so far was a little glass

574
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<v Speaker 2>of juice from from coal, which was delicious, but it

575
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 2>was just it wasn't enough to keep my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You have water, but we didn't. But anyway, that was awesome.

577
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<v Speaker 1>It's cool that it's a two parter.

578
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<v Speaker 2>That's not awesome. That was a horrific case, would mean awesome.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, awesome that like you, you did an awesome job. Well,

580
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<v Speaker 1>thank you, well done. Oh the case was ship yeah

581
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 1>it was, but you presented it well. It was a

582
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<v Speaker 1>good listen, well done, thank you, and now you can

583
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<v Speaker 1>go and have some water. I also want a piece

584
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of pie.

585
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh we do have pie. We have pie, and then

586
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<v Speaker 2>we can go to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there we go. Okay, thanks really listening and stay

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<v Speaker 1>wicked