WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 3 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:14.240 read it five star. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.519 And meon Righteous on us today and listening watching them 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:28.879 always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman 6 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.960 and James Bubo Fay. Greetings everyone, This is Matt Pruitt. 7 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:34.679 Just wanted to hop on and give you a quick 8 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.159 introduction to the episode that you're about to hear. You know, 9 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:38.920 over the years that we've been doing these Q and 10 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.520 A episodes, we've gotten a lot of submissions from people 11 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:46.000 asking for book recommendations, you know, required reading, essential reading, 12 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.399 things of that nature. And so in October of twenty 13 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.719 twenty three, Cliff, Bobo and myself recorded in an episode 14 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.719 for our members only podcast, Beyond, Bigfoot and Beyond, dedicated 15 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.520 to some of our favorite books about the Sasquatch and 16 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.399 other really to topics. When I was compiling the questions 17 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.840 for the January twenty twenty five Q and A episode, 18 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.000 we had quite a few more requests for book recommendations, 19 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:09.680 so I thought it'd be a good idea to take 20 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.519 the members only episode that we recorded back in October 21 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.319 twenty three and release that here on the main feed, 22 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.000 so you're going to hear a member's only episode being 23 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.120 released here on our main podcast feed for the first time. 24 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.719 And we also compiled a list of all the books 25 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:27.040 that are mentioned in this episode. So if you click 26 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.319 the link in the show notes to our Patreon to 27 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.439 the membership section, you'll see that post available there if 28 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:34.319 you want to see all the books listed in one place, 29 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:36.239 so you don't have to write them down if you're 30 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.200 driving or traveling or anything of that nature. So hope 31 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.000 you enjoyed this episode that we originally recorded for our members, 32 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.799 and hope you find the recommendations useful. So we're thinking 33 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.000 that maybe we could just wrap about some of our 34 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.680 favorite Sasquatch related books because we're still getting so many 35 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:55.480 questions about what books would we recommend to people. Yeah, 36 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.159 remember we talked about like the Klobo's Book Club, which 37 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.760 we will do deep dives in the future on specific books, 38 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.079 but maybe for now we just talk about our top 39 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:07.560 three or top five recommendations that you would offer to 40 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.159 people those sorts of things. 41 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.400 Okay, cool, Well, what would you recommend We've already started recording. 42 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.520 Oh, okay, there's a wide range people. People that have 43 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.000 like a extensive Bigfoot libraries of their own personal books. 44 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.039 And then there's people that just kind of are fans 45 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.240 of the show that don't really have any So I 46 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:27.120 guess who we start with. 47 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.000 That well, I'd say, just yeah, just choose one, I think. 48 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.879 And because you know, there's been people, there are people 49 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:34.919 who have been into this thing for a while, and 50 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.039 maybe they haven't read the book you're mentioning because they 51 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.000 a different book got them going. 52 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.400 You know, yeah, I think, you know, I think, well, 53 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.520 I mean, if you're a reader, I mean, if you 54 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.120 should read one book, i'd say prove it the phenomenal 55 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.199 Sasquash if you want to really kind of go through it. 56 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.280 And I enjoyed the historical I love the historical parts 57 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.599 of it. And I think if you start with Sanderson, 58 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.039 you know, back in sixty one, nineteen sixty one, I 59 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:59.800 think that's a great place to start. 60 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.120 It is. But I don't like his writing style. You don't, no, no, 61 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.199 I don't like it. It's a little archaic and weird 62 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:06.400 to me. 63 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:07.919 I kind of like that about it. 64 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:09.719 I like the book, don't get me wrong. It has 65 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.159 a lot of great information in it, but that's not 66 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.400 it doesn't flow easily from the page to my brain. 67 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:17.360 I would agree with that. And a lot of the 68 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.879 language is sort of archaic because you know, we were 69 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.840 still in like the figurative dark ages of understanding of 70 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.879 apes and hominoid evolution, and a lot of the fossils 71 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.280 that are relevant hadn't even been found yet, and so 72 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.439 there's a lot of things that are a bit outdated 73 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.439 in terms of the unfolding discovery of the history of 74 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.759 pre human ancestors and human relatives. But yeah, I would 75 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.080 that is one of my top five for sure. 76 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:44.680 But it gives you an idea like what people were 77 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.479 like when you read the next books, like this is 78 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:48.719 what they're like, this is the first thing they went 79 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.479 off of. You know, it kind of just gives you. 80 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.960 It lets you into the mindset of the people of 81 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.199 the time and when you factor and how would they 82 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.240 do about what you just the things you just mentioned, 83 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.479 how little was done in Garston nowadays, Like how the 84 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.199 thought process that came to their conclusions and stuff is 85 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:06.960 I think pretty fascinating. 86 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.960 Oh, I would agree with that. I think it's good 87 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:11.639 to visit after maybe, I mean, to me, I would 88 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.919 always recommend starting with greens, apes among Us. That would 89 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.040 be the first ultimate first book. 90 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.480 See, I don't even know if I would agree with that. Well, 91 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:21.879 you were wrong, Cliff, Well, I could very well be wrong. 92 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:26.399 But here perfect here. But here's my complaint about it. 93 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.399 I love the first half or more of it, but 94 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.519 by the time you're getting two thirds of the way through, 95 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.680 it comes down. Apes among Us turns into the thing 96 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:39.399 on February ninth, nineteen seventy four, so and so and 97 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.439 wherever Kentucky and saw one run across the road. Bubba, 98 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.000 it was brown. And then the next paragraph is a 99 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.399 different rattling of statistics. You know, it kind of runs. 100 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:51.800 At some point, it seems to me that Apes among 101 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.800 Us and I love the book. It's a great book. 102 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:55.839 I'm not bashing it. But if I have a complaint 103 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.600 about it, which I kind of do, it turns into 104 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.480 a rattling of this happened, this happened, this happen, and 105 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.959 it kind of loses the narrative thread that I felt 106 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.199 that really held it together for the first part of 107 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.120 the book. Yeah, yeah, I mean, am I raw? I mean, 108 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.439 like you agree with But what about you, Matt. I 109 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.199 know that you're that's a that's your number one go 110 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.600 to book. Am I off base on that? Or what 111 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:19.959 are your opinion? What's your opinion on that? 112 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.040 I think he does a really good job. First of all, 113 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.639 he's such a reliable narrator, and he has a much 114 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.160 more accessible writing style than most because he was an 115 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.839 Ivy League educated journalist and so he was a great writer, 116 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.879 and he had sort of an editorial mind as a writer, 117 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.319 which is probably extremely helpful, you know, for writing a 118 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.319 book as big as that is. I like the way 119 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.399 it's broken out, you know, it does become sort of 120 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.839 a presentation of various cases, especially because essentially you have 121 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.160 those beginning portions where he's like introducing the subject, talking 122 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.360 about the historical record, and then his sort of entry 123 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.240 through the centennial Sasquatch, Hunt, Bluff Creek, the classics Patterson. 124 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.399 But then it does sort of move into these regional 125 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.720 breakouts of reports that have occurred. So there's you know, 126 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:07.519 like the Mississippi water Web, Wolli Booger is, the Canadian scene, 127 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.439 Eastern action. But once he gets through that, then it 128 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.639 shifts back into like, all right, there's a chapter about footprints, 129 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.720 where are the bones, screams in the night, you know, vocals. 130 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.040 Yeah, the statistical analysis that stuff is cool, but in 131 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.240 the middle there, I think it gets trapped in this quagmire. 132 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:22.519 You know it does. 133 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.600 But I think for a lot of people who are 134 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.959 new ish to the subject, it's really enlightening for them 135 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.240 to see the number of people across North America that 136 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.720 were reporting these things even in the mid twentieth century 137 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.879 and all the things that we think of now, because 138 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.079 it's really easy to get stuck in modern times. And 139 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.839 I did this with Sanderson's book too, where things would 140 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.240 sort of emerge out of reports that seemed new to me, 141 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.439 and then I would revisit Sanderson and go, oh, he 142 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.120 picked up on that same pattern in sixty one, where 143 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.240 you see, oh Green picked up on this same pattern 144 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.120 in the late sixties or early seventies. And so that's 145 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.240 sort of a reinforcing thing to think that the some 146 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.519 of the things that feel like newer discoveries, like twenty 147 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.040 first century discoveries, were actually present even back then, which 148 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.439 strengthens the case for the reality of the subject. 149 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:16.560 Right right now. If I had to modify this at all, see, 150 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.040 I wouldn't go to apes among us first, I would 151 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.759 go to the best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, which of course 152 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.079 is a compilation of John's three other books that those 153 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.000 smaller pamphlet books. I find those to be more readable 154 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.360 and digestible. And the fact that they were all put 155 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:34.439 together into one book by Hancock House Press, The Best 156 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.639 of Sasquatch Bigfoot, I think that would be my go 157 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.240 to John Green book for the newbie, because that covers 158 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.879 a lot of the historic stuff, the foundational things in 159 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.360 Bluff Creek and British Columbia, the stuff the early things 160 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.079 that John everybody else looked into. But and of course 161 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.800 Apes among Us is the next step after that. See, 162 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.319 I would have gone to Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot first 163 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.560 for that reason, because at that point Apes among Us 164 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.920 build upon best of you know these other books. You know, 165 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.600 you're the Sasquatch, and then the other ones that are 166 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.079 escaping me right now you know what they are. 167 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:08.480 No, that's a great point. 168 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:08.800 See. 169 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.680 I started. The first book I read was Crets's book, 170 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.439 and so it was very because I hadn't studied any 171 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.639 like evolutionary biology or anthropology at that point, and so 172 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.959 it was very difficult because I just that was like 173 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:27.560 first contact with a lot of those terms. And I 174 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.600 still love that book, and I revisited a lot, and 175 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.879 so Green's was more like, I'm following a reliable narrator 176 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.919 who's walking me through this whole world that is the 177 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.360 Sasquatch subject. And so yeah, I do think that's a 178 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.919 great point though, that the best of Bigfoot Sasquatch would 179 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.600 be a great one. Another great one is Chris Murphy's 180 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.559 Either Meet the Sasquatch or the second edition Know the Sasquatch, 181 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.440 because there's just so much. There's a lot of information there, 182 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.240 but you will never find a better collection of images. 183 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.919 Yeah, it's the perfect coffee table book on Sasquatch. Honestly beautiful, 184 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.240 glossy book. The pictures are all in color, or at 185 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.679 least the ones that were taken in color originally are 186 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.639 all in color, because there's certainly black and white photographs 187 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:10.600 in there. And it's big, it's glossy, it's very very visual. 188 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:12.480 There's a lot of but despite the fact that it's 189 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.399 very visual pact full of pictures, there's a lot of 190 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.840 really great informational texts in there as well. Yeah, and 191 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.639 they have the text and the information combined with the photographs. 192 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.519 It's a really powerful thing. It's just fantastic and and 193 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.080 a lot of people may not remember, but there it 194 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.879 was originally published I think with the like a leather 195 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:38.840 bound cover or something like that. Really yeah, and it 196 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.399 was also in a hardback. I don't know if you 197 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:42.960 guys have the hardback version or not. I have an 198 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.639 autographed hard cover by and you know John Green and 199 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.080 Steinberg and Murphy, they all autographed that one that was 200 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.759 the original one. But I couldn't have. I believe that 201 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.080 there was a leather bound edition as well. 202 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.559 Oh I did have that. I think I still have it. 203 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:00.720 You should, I hope. So it's probably worth quite a bit. 204 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.759 I think I paid one hundred and fifty for it. 205 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.360 You know, you have a hell of a book collection, Boves, 206 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:08.360 You really do. Steven Stroyford, who the owner of the 207 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.639 establishment that was once so it's called big Foot Books, 208 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:12.639 said you were his best customer there for a long time. 209 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.039 Yeah. I spent four grand in there in one year. 210 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.039 Geez geez, Well what was some of the walkaways you got? 211 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:18.200 Man? 212 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.240 What would would you walk away with? 213 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.759 Just like first edition stuff like rare stuff. 214 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.679 Yeah, and this all goes in You're safe, right, Yeah? 215 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.320 I had more, but I gave him I gave him 216 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.120 away his presence. 217 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.600 Yeah, you're kind of like that. You're generous to a 218 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:36.000 fault if I don't say so myself. Yeah, but you 219 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:41.200 mentioned Krantz's book, that Krantz's book was really influential upon me. 220 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.519 It wasn't the first big Foot book I ran across. 221 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.879 I think one of John Green's, one of the paperback ones. 222 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.279 I don't remember which one on the Track of the 223 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.440 Sasquatch or You're the Track Sasquatch or something like that. 224 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.639 Those may have been amongst the first, because I remember 225 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.360 looking through the college library that I often mentioned is 226 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:58.919 what kind of got me into this, And I think 227 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.080 I ran across thows and oh this is kind of interesting, 228 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:04.559 and kind of started leafing through it, you know, the 229 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.759 or the Sasquatch file. That's the last one I finally 230 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.919 came to me. It was kind of like looking at 231 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.799 those and oh, this is interesting, and then I ran 232 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.960 across it was either Mysterious Monsters on Trial or no, no, 233 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.480 is that right? Mysterious Monsters on Trial? That's right, like 234 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.720 monster man like okay, the other yeah, another m word 235 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.360 man like Monsters on Trial? Or was it there was 236 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.440 one called Sasquatch and that's always called at a yellow cover. 237 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.519 I think A Mrcotic was his name. He was one 238 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.399 of the It was a compilation of journal articles written 239 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.600 by scientists. Yeah, and Krantz was a co editor on 240 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.200 one of those, I think. 241 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.360 Yeah, he submitted some of those papers. So yeah, there's 242 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.840 the big compendiums. Yeah, or the scientists look at the 243 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.879 sasquatch one and two man like monsters on trial and 244 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.120 then the sasquatch and other hominidsmids. 245 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.879 Yeah, that was my baptism into the science of bigfoot. 246 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.120 I think I might have like perused through some of 247 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.120 the sighting reports in the John Green book, But when 248 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:02.200 I started reading those cover to cover multiple times, that 249 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.559 really struck me. That really really struck me, as like, 250 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.919 holy crap, these things are real. You're kidding me. 251 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:07.559 Yeah. 252 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.799 I revisit those a lot, and you know, I reference 253 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.519 those in writing the book too. And I'm the Krantz 254 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.240 book too. I love It just wasn't the best first 255 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.399 contact for a kid from North Georgia, you know what 256 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.799 I mean. 257 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.080 I suppose you really read down there. 258 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.840 Well, it was sort of like a calling to Okay, 259 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.440 well I need to learn these things. And I rose 260 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.679 to the challenge of trying to be more equip more 261 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.720 well equipped to make sense of everything. So those sorts 262 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.960 of like, that's why I really enjoyed challenging reads or 263 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.360 technical reads, because it's an opportunity to learn. But in 264 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.039 terms of yeah, I think I came to it expecting 265 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.720 a different thing that I eventually found in apes among 266 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.320 us I had. 267 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.799 I still have my weather beaten copy of the Krantz Book. 268 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.360 I would take that to Bluff Creek every time I went, 269 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.279 starting in nineteen ninety three or four whenever that I 270 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:02.759 think was four, and when I started going, Yeah, it 271 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.639 was nineteen ninety four when I started going to Bluff Creek. Yeah, 272 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.399 and I just beat the crap. 273 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:08.679 Out of that book. 274 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.759 It's like missing a cover, I think maybe the title, 275 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.679 page two. Just that poor book has been all over 276 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.480 the place with me. I used to take it and 277 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.720 read it on the trips, read it at night, read it. 278 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.639 And I probably have read that book, The Krantz Book, 279 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.639 probably no less than thirty times, wow, and probably much 280 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.879 closer to fifty because I would just plow through that 281 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:32.919 thing once or twice a year. You know, I've been 282 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.399 doing this for twenty nine years now. So like assuming 283 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.000 that in the early days, if I'd read that book 284 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.639 three or four times in a year, or in certain 285 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.440 chapters more than others, by the way, maybe I wouldn't 286 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:44.480 do it cover to cover. I've been through that an 287 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.600 awful lot, an awful lot. It's very very influential upon me. 288 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.360 It has as flaws, of course, but it was very 289 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.080 very influential upon me realizing that, like, oh, yeah, you 290 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.720 can do stuff. Because I've always been interested in amateur science. 291 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.879 I'm an amateur astronomer. I've got a pretty good telescope, 292 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.240 for example, and I love that. I'm certainly an amateur 293 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.279 marine biologist, which is hence my love of fishing in general. 294 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.440 And I saw that there was a niche, there was 295 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.440 a place for amateurs here to contribute, because frankly, the 296 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.840 academics aren't carrying their weight. They aren't doing what they're 297 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:17.519 supposed to be doing, which is following their curiosity to 298 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.039 the extent they find answers. Therefore it's up to us. 299 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.759 And when I started reading about the science that was 300 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.759 being done, it's, oh, my gosh, what an opportunity here, 301 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.879 What an opportunity to possibly contribute just a little tiny 302 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.600 bit for the good of a subject that is larger 303 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:37.919 than me. Oh. Absolutely, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and 304 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.759 Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after 305 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:41.480 these messages. 306 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.039 And you know, I love both of Bennernagle's books. The 307 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.360 first one's almost impossible to find now, you know. I 308 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.200 got a copy many years ago and always try to 309 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.639 find a second one. But it's tricky because when they 310 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.440 do pop up, they go for so much money. But 311 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:04.279 his second book, The Discovery of the Sasquatch, is probably 312 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:07.039 my personal favorite book ever written on the subject. 313 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.960 It's almost like a survey of the philosophy of science 314 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:13.799 itself in a lot of ways. 315 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.440 Yeah, it's very conceptual, very philosophical, but he does present 316 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.639 a lot of factual information to be derived from reports 317 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.639 and from the physical evidence, and so it's sort of 318 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.039 the blending of both of those sort of worlds of 319 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:31.000 the hard evidence, let's say, combined with the anecdotal evidence 320 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.240 and eye witness testimony, but various philosophies of science. And 321 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.039 he makes just such a great case about how could 322 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.720 these things be real and yet unrecognized? And I think 323 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.799 that book's an incredible contribution. I wish they would put 324 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.759 it in a Kindle format so more people could access it. 325 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.840 Leela Hodgechik's Ford is an excellent essay too. I mean 326 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.080 that Ford alone is awesome, you know. I wish that 327 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.200 would get digitized and put on the internet as a 328 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:59.200 standalone document for people to read. But his first book's 329 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.799 amazing too, which is The Sasquatch North America's Grade eight. 330 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.240 But it's very, very difficult to find. But readers could 331 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:08.919 get the Discovery of the Sasquatch from Amazon still, but 332 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.720 hopefully they'll put those in digital format. The problem with 333 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:16.440 a lot of the Sasquatch classics. Now, those two Vender 334 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:19.039 Noogles books were published through a company called Beachcomber, so 335 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:20.840 I don't know what their process is like. 336 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.000 I think that was the Bendernaggles thing. I think they 337 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:24.360 kind of self published. 338 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.080 It, yeah, I said him and his wife. 339 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.480 Because Hancock House, what they've done for most of their 340 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:36.000 titles is to scan and upload the books as PDF images. 341 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.080 So usually if you're in an ebook format, it's a 342 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.360 text file so you can search within it, which is amazing, 343 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.320 or you can highlight notes and export those or just 344 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.200 go to your highlighted sections. But literally, if you get 345 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.440 apes among us or Krantz's book on kindle or ebook format. 346 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.840 There are image files of the pages, so they're very 347 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.159 you can't highlight notes, you can't they're not searchable, which 348 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.399 is a little frustrated because that's part of the benefit 349 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.240 of reading the e book versions. So maybe they'll do 350 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.079 something about that at some point in the future. But 351 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.839 I would definitely if I had to pick one for 352 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.480 me that was a personal favorite, it would without a 353 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.119 doubt be the discovery of the Sasquatch. 354 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.039 Well, you know, if we're talking about bender Augel and Krantz, 355 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.240 we have to talk about Meldrum's book. Absolutely, Yeah, Meldrum's book. 356 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.119 It is just fantastic. It's the number one book I 357 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.720 recommend to people. I mean, I'm clearly a Krantz sites, 358 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.920 you know, like if you're I always I think I 359 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.839 might may have said this before, but if you're looking 360 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:33.920 at the four horsemen, I think most people kind of 361 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.559 fall in line behind one of them, and I definitely 362 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.000 find fall in line behind Krantz, and Meldrum is the 363 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.000 next in line in that same line. 364 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:43.960 Indeed, I'm a greenient. 365 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:44.680 Yeah. 366 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.839 In fact, the second edition, the second edition of Krantz's 367 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.599 book acknowledges doctor and Belgrium, because in the first edition 368 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:52.599 Jeff wasn't on the scene yet. He wrote that in 369 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.440 probably ninety one or ninety two. I think he published 370 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:56.119 in ninety one or ninety two, so he's writing it 371 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.480 in the late eighties early nineties. And the second edition 372 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:03.839 he had a little addendum there and he mentions Jeff 373 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:05.880 is on the scene now and a trained an atomist 374 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.640 looking at these things, and he acknowledges that doctor Meldrum's 375 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.119 recognition of the mid tarsal break. And of course if 376 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.319 you read Krantz's book, if you go back and read 377 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.920 those early chapters on footprints in Krantz's book, he does 378 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.680 acknowledge it as well, but he doesn't come to the 379 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.119 name of it. He doesn't do the mid tarsal joints. 380 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.519 He doesn't talk about pressure ridges and all that stuff. 381 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.119 He does talk about I think the words are something 382 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.359 like again I don't have the book in front of me, 383 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.000 but the word is something like considerable flexibility in the 384 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.319 mid part of the foot I believe is what he said, 385 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.200 something to that effect. So he does recognize it, and 386 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.640 he does give Krantz gave himself on a little pat 387 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.599 on his back in that little chapter where he talks 388 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:50.319 about chef in his work. But yeah, Meldrum's book built 389 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:54.720 upon what Krantz had done and expanded upon it. And 390 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.359 for what it's worth, Rumor is Jeff's writing another book 391 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.720 that will be released around the same time as Doug 392 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.359 Hizek's Legend meets Science documentary rumors happened. Yeah, well, if 393 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.000 it's out there, good. I mean I knew it was happening, 394 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.359 but I didn't know if it was officially mentioned or 395 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.400 not yet. Yes, no, Yeah, So I'm looking on that 396 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.200 because looking forward to that, because doctor Meldrim will certainly 397 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.559 build upon his own work because his book is I 398 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.839 mean it's not dated to the point of being useless, 399 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.359 but what it was it published in two thousand and 400 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.200 six or two thousand and eight. Yeah, that's you know, 401 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:30.960