1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life presented by fan Tracks. Here's 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:14,560 shit ms, your source of information and analysis to help 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,199 you win your fantasy hockey league. Block off hot A, 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,800 step hit on, stay lock. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,039 Speaker 2: Here's your host, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nuno. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: Fantasy Hockey Live back once again Jesse Severe of fan 7 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:34,280 Tracks and joining me the Fantasy Hockey Doctor, Victor Nunoe. Victor, 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,960 how you doing. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Go be back together again and 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,679 looking forward to this chat. How are you doing, my friend, Victor? 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,679 Speaker 3: I am doing relatively well, but I am somewhat discombobulated. 12 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,840 I told you I sat down to record today and 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,479 I pulled out my big pair of headphones and I 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,560 put them on my head, and my head one of 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 the sides just snapped, and so I'm holding one of 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,640 my ear phones on with my hand. My head has 17 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:05,840 gotten too big, Victor. And I'm not sure if that's 18 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,840 the state of my ego or if that's just my 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,519 old Norwegian head that just keeps getting bigger and bigger. 20 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:17,200 If you ever met those guys who have just massive noggins, 21 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,359 you mean him, You're like, how can your head be 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,719 that big? Your head has just that's just a massive 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,680 noggin that you're walking around there, and it's just people 24 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:28,439 are built different ways, Victory. Is there anything I can 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,319 do about this? 26 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I have bet some people like 27 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:36,760 that with gigantic heads, and yeah, it's a little a 28 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:41,480 little interesting. Hats don't fit, it's hard to they break headphones, 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,640 all these things. It's a rough life, Jesse. But I 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,319 think it might be because we did our fhl KK 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,799 crossover and back in January, and for a while you've 32 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,159 been down in third, and recently we just checked the 33 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,640 standings and you're up there and first, so we'll see 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,239 if that holds. But looking pretty good right now, and 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,840 so maybe that's why your head has been so big lately. 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,319 Speaker 3: That's that's very likely scenario. I actually yeah. Our guy 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Ryan asked us in the Fantasy Hockey Life Command Hub yesterday, 38 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:15,599 how is that thing going anyway? And I'm like, glad 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,439 you asked, because this is the first day all year 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,240 that I've been in the lead. So let me post 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,919 that for you so everybody see. So there are plenty 42 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:25,919 there's ten days for me to fall back out of 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,680 that lead, but dog on it. We will always have 44 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:31,840 We will always have that day that there. 45 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: Was a chance. 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, Victor, it's it's that time of year. We're 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,879 nearing the end, but fantasy hockey never ends, and neither 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,319 Desert Discord. We've got our We've got a lot of 49 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:44,319 little nooks and crannies in there, but most of the 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,039 action is taking place out there in the in the 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,199 general discord, which is free to get into, and all 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,479 you have to do to get in is ask us 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,759 for link Fantasy Hockey Life at gmail dot com. We 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,199 just want to make a big community where people can 55 00:02:57,319 --> 00:02:59,479 talk fantasy hockey all the time. And are there more 56 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:02,680 things you could do? There? Is there premium content, sure, 57 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:05,120 but there's also a place where you don't have to 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,360 pay and you could just chat fantasy hockey with a 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,520 bunch of like minded individuals on the daily, Victor. We 60 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:16,199 also do I said, we do have some extra bells 61 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:19,159 and whistles. Some weeks when I do the intro, I 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,960 do a very poor job explaining it. So just please 63 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,719 reset everybody and tell them the cool things they could have. 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of cool stuff in the patreon. If 65 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,280 you want some bonus content, We have our website that 66 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:37,080 has a whole bunch of cool stuff, but a lot 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,159 of it's behind the paywall, And so if you want 68 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:41,520 to get access to the ranks, the tiers, the lists, 69 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,639 all that good stuff, and the player cards which shows 70 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:47,680 all their peripheral stats and their contributions in their league 71 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:51,400 with projections of where we expect them to be in 72 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:54,840 the in the in the NHL, then you can have 73 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:58,000 access to that. That's in the top tier of the Patreon. 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 There's also the Tidy, which we talked a lot about 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,639 last episode, and we'll have a future episode with some 76 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:05,400 of the champs and some of the people who did 77 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,840 amazingly well and they can give you some tips and 78 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:10,680 tricks for success yourself. And that's a really fun league. 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,639 It's a tier dynasty. If you like leagues that have 80 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:16,680 lots of different levels you can work your way up 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,000 and a lot of camaraderie within the divisions, and that's 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,079 a really fun league. I think that's people really enjoy that. 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,519 So that's a patron park, so you have to be 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,319 a patron to get access to that. So that along 85 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,519 with a bunch of other cool things like some personalized 86 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,240 help that you can get and so go over to 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,279 Patreon dot com slash fantasy hockey life and become a member. 88 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:37,480 We're even getting members this time of year. Jes See, 89 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:40,000 sometimes I might have busy s He's in off seasons 90 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,560 a good time for that too, because you're planning your 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,920 next moves, you're dissecting your teams, you're looking at the draft, 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,839 you're looking at all that kind of stuff, and so 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,839 this is a good time to do that as well. 94 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: And sometimes I think the as we get to the 95 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:58,720 Stanley Cup playoffs, people are probably tuned into hockey generally 96 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,839 as much as they ever are all year at the 97 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,639 Stanley Cup playoff time, and it's not peak time for 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,519 your dynasty season. But as you're watching that, I imagine some 99 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,959 of your kicking yourselves and saying, man, I want to 100 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,360 play fantasy hockey next year. I want to play dynasty fantasy. 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,079 I want to have all these players. So maybe some 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,199 people are getting involved in them, but still I dedicate. 103 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:21,000 I appreciate the dedication of anybody who's listening to this 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,439 time of year. 105 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 4: It's just comencious, take a break, come back, and it's 106 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:35,079 victory today. At Victor today, We've got a couple more 107 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:38,800 X gamers, a couple more players, who we want to 108 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,600 discuss and are rather usual format and it's gonna start 109 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:44,399 with Michael Hagey. 110 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,639 Speaker 3: It's gonna start with Michael hage It's gonna start with 111 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,120 Michael hage Victor, Montreal Canadian, last year's HAS first rounder, 112 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,040 six to one center Michael hage He made the jump 113 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:59,560 from the national team development program to the NCAA thirty 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,480 three points in thirty one games starting off at Michigan 115 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,879 this year. Pretty excellent first year in college, and the 116 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,600 scouts talked about his two way ability with some strong offense. 117 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,079 Of course, Michigan's season done at this point. I believe 118 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:14,000 you might be a fan Victor, but what is your 119 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,800 take on. 120 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,959 Speaker 2: Page Yeah, I think he's really good. I think he's 121 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,120 really one of these players who's really good at a 122 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:27,879 lot of things. He doesn't necessarily have one outstanding skill, 123 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,560 except I think that he is a really smart player 124 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,720 and more than the sum of his parts, and so 125 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,000 that makes him really talented. But he doesn't rely on 126 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,720 just one thing like Slick Hans or a shot. I 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 think he's extremely well rounded, and I think that jump 128 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:46,519 from the US nationally development to the NCUBLEA is pretty 129 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:48,720 difficult for a lot of players he was with the 130 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,319 Chicago steel actually, so with that jump from the USHL 131 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,759 to the NCUBLEA is pretty tough, but he did really well. 132 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Thirty four points in thirty three games is pretty great. 133 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,439 I know the playoffs are the Frozen four. They didn't 134 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:04,959 even get in, which is crazy, but that can be 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,959 a little bit challenging for some but he did. I 136 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:11,439 think that you can't ask for too much more than that, 137 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,120 and I think he's shown that his progression has really 138 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,680 come along. I think as especially as a twenty first 139 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,279 overall pick getting him a little bit later as some 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,480 of us might have in our fantasy drafts, have to 141 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,360 be pretty pleased with that progress. And also remembering that 142 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,240 as we're recording this on April tenth, he's still only eighteen, 143 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,399 and so he was seventeen pretty much all of last year, 144 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:33,360 eighteen all of this year, so it's a little bit 145 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:36,000 behind the aging curve, which is just really exciting because 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,519 he's got a lot more to go and you have 147 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,759 to really be excited about that. 148 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:46,759 Speaker 3: Jesse absolutely and Mason Black gauged the level of excitement 149 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:49,879 that our fans out there, that the people out in 150 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:52,920 the universe had for Michael Hage because he put him 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,600 up in the ex pole Hage versus Yvonne Morosnashenko of 152 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:01,000 the Washington Capitals. He's got a full years on him 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,639 and has been playing in the AHL and someone in 154 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:08,439 the NHL and Michael Hage one handily that Twitter pull 155 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:12,519 sixty four to thirty six percent Maurushashenko with the low 156 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,319 eb right now, Victor, is that how you would rank 157 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Hage in maursha Shenko. 158 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, although center possibly center versus wing 159 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,120 here might play into that a little bit. You got 160 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:29,199 Murshashenko who is definitely a winger and Hage might be 161 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,519 a center, and so that can be organizationally. Certainly you're 162 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:35,080 gonna favor the guy who could play it on the 163 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,039 middle for fantasy, though you might want more someone who 164 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,759 can play the wing, and you might look at their 165 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:44,480 peripheral stats, which Rushashenko does tend to be a little 166 00:08:44,519 --> 00:08:47,000 bit more of a hitter and have a little bit 167 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,240 better perpheral coverage unless you're including face off wins than 168 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,440 Michael the other way, although Hage also has a decent 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,919 amount of blocks for a forward, so they end up 170 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,519 being even that way. But I think the the offensive 171 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,360 upside is higher for Hage. I think Murcershenko, if everything 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,960 breaks right, might be more of like a twenty five 173 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,720 to twenty five fifty point kind of guy, probably between 174 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:13,720 fifteen and sixty points there. He did have a really 175 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:17,000 good season in Hershey. He played some games with the Capitols, 176 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:20,639 just like last year, didn't really take a whole lot. 177 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,320 It didn't really have a whole lot of points with 178 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:27,120 the Capitals, and it didn't seem like he was quite 179 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,639 ready in his opportunity there. But he does offer a 180 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,039 pretty significant at least a decent amount of Perferle floor, 181 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:38,039 which is always nice. So you like that for Murciasenko, 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,559 But we're talking about Hage here, and I do think 183 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,360 that the upside is a little bit higher for Hage, 184 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:45,279 and I think that's probably part of the reason you 185 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,000 want to be a little bit more excited for him. 186 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:50,399 They're pretty close, actually. In my rankings, I have Hage 187 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:53,639 at a six point seven eight and Merciershenko has a 188 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,960 six point five three. So for those that aren't familiar, 189 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,399 the second number is a percent likelihood of hitting that 190 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,919 and the six just means he's a six out of ten, 191 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,200 so slightly above average on your fantasy roster, and so 192 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:08,279 I do think that that's similar there, but I would 193 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,840 lead Hage a little bit more for the upside there, Jesse, Yeah. 194 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,159 Speaker 3: I got you. And how high is the upside here, Victor, 195 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,799 he's on a team with Nick Zuki who's had a 196 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:25,000 breakthrough year, or he continues to push up and become 197 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,320 more and more prominent. It feels like, is where's he 198 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 gonna fall out? Just in real terms and maybe in 199 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,519 the context of this Canadians team. 200 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always thought that Hage could be a top 201 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:44,840 sixth center, probably second line. I don't think he overtakes 202 00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:47,759 Nick Suzuki, but in many ways he has some similar 203 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:51,559 features to Nick, who is really smart and has a 204 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,200 lot of good skill, but he kind of leverages all 205 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:59,200 his other skills with his intelligence to be an all 206 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,440 around pretty good player with not one like super outstanding trait. 207 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,159 And so I think that in many ways they could 208 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,320 be similar. I think the age is probably a step below, 209 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,039 so he's probably a good complimentary two seed to Nick Suzuki. 210 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:18,440 He might be a little bit better even defensively, because 211 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,879 Nick isn't the most amazing defensive center, but he's so 212 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,559 good offensively at driving play that it pretty much evens out, 213 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,240 and he is pretty decent at that anyways, at least 214 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,600 he's close to average. So when you drive that much offense, 215 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:36,080 it's it's not a huge deal if you're lacking a 216 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,320 little bit in your defensive game. But Hage has been 217 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:42,360 driving play really well in the NCAA and the USHL 218 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:44,600 before that, so I think that he can probably be 219 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:47,159 similar to maybe even a little bit better. I don't 220 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:49,840 think he overtakes Suzuki, So he's probably a second line 221 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:54,240 center with decent offensive output and probably in that sixty 222 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,240 to seventy point range, probably quite frankly similar to Suzuki. 223 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,600 Suzuki this year hitting the apps of ninety, I don't 224 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:04,200 know that he quite has that. Maybe if everything breaks, 225 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,440 if he's getting top power play, if he's if he's 226 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 not top power play with the guys that are there 227 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:12,000 now caff Field nine A and Hudson and Devin Duff, 228 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,559 seems like there might not be room for age, and 229 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:16,879 so he probably doesn't get as many power play points 230 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,240 and as much production. So probably closer to that sixty 231 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,360 sixty five Jesse, Yeah. 232 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,639 Speaker 3: Sixty five points. That's something I want on my team. 233 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:31,240 Victor our second player for the segment today, Berkeley Catton. 234 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,679 He was a hot pick in last year's NHL draft, 235 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,639 seem pretty universal. People liked who Seattle got at the 236 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,679 number eight pick in the draft. Our ADP project every 237 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:44,440 offseason we track the results of rookie drafts that are 238 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,320 sent in to us and create kind of an ADP 239 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,840 out of that. And Berkeley Catton was sixth in Fantasy 240 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,759 Hockey ADP among rookie drafts and this year became the 241 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:58,039 captain of the Spokane Chiefs in his fourth go round 242 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:00,879 with that club. He had a stay green one hundred 243 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,879 and nine points in fifty seven games in the regular season. 244 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:07,080 And then, and this is not a typo, four goals, 245 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,879 tenn asists for fourteen points in five playoff games. That 246 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:14,360 was the first round. It's still going they won obviously, 247 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,279 score fourteen points. You score four goals and assist on 248 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,720 ten more in a five game series, your team might 249 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:23,639 have done just fine. And so we'll see what Berkeley 250 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Catton is able to put up in the second round. Anyway, 251 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,360 in the WHL, only Gavin McKenna and Andrew Christal outscored 252 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,840 him in the regular season. So Berkeley Catton was he 253 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,679 was blowing up Victor and the question is this solid? 254 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,480 Is this a foundational or is just cat and candy 255 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,320 that you take a taste of it and it burns 256 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:46,039 up like sugar and disappears. What is your take on Berkeley, Catton, vickor. 257 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: Oh now I want some cotton candy, thanks loud Jesse. 258 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Sounds pretty good right now. Now. I think that Catten 259 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:58,279 is I think this is who he is. I think 260 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,240 that he can translate lot of this. He's such a 261 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,480 smart and skilled player. And yeah, some of the numbers 262 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,360 that he's putting up in Spokane is pretty pretty ridiculous. 263 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:12,039 He was doing really well before Andrew Cristal showed up, 264 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,360 and Christal and him have just been going bananas the 265 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:18,120 rest of the way. Christal well over two points per 266 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:23,000 game and Cadden right there with him, so right and 267 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:25,440 shotgun or maybe driving I think more driving the bus 268 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,559 than anything. But I do think Cadden can be that 269 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:32,879 really strong offensive driver even at the next level. And 270 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,159 really he's I think what Seattle really needs a guy 271 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,240 who They have a lot of these guys who are 272 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 really solid two ways. It seems like they have four 273 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,440 third lines, like they're all pretty decent. None of them 274 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,960 are super incredible, but they all can hang, but they 275 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,080 don't have that one elite guy that can push things 276 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:55,639 to really far forward and push the offense. I think 277 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,799 Cadden can be that guy, and I think they hopefully 278 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,159 have enough skill to surround him. So we'll have to 279 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,320 see about that. But I think he's really exciting. I 280 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,679 think he can. I think he can bring a lot 281 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,879 of that to the NHL as well. I don't it's 282 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,240 probably not going to be like two over two points 283 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,519 per game or anything like that, but I think he 284 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,320 has like point per game plus upside, which is pretty exciting. 285 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: Mason Black, the NHL King put him up against Dalla 286 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:24,120 board Devorski, a man who his stock really was blown 287 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,360 up last year and he's still looking pretty good this 288 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,200 year at last count. Forty two points and fifty six 289 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,840 games in the AHL was pretty good for the youngster, 290 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,559 but Berkeley Catton had Divorski dead to rights. In the 291 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:41,480 NHL ranking poll, it was seventy six to twenty four 292 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,840 percent in favor of Catten over the Blues prospect Victor. 293 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,600 Is that how you rank him? 294 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would definitely take Catten here. I like Divorski, 295 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:57,679 He's had such a weird development trajectory because he's Slovakian, 296 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,080 but he spent time in Sweden even though he was 297 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,559 representing Slovakia internationally, and then last year in his draft 298 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,159 season or his draft season, he was basically in Sweden, 299 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,879 and then his draft cluss one season he started in 300 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:13,240 the SHL and then came over to the OHL, which 301 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,159 was just way too low of a league for him, 302 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,720 and he tore that up with Sidbury, and then this 303 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,279 past season he was in the AHL, and so a 304 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:24,039 weird roundabout. He's really young for his draft class. He's 305 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:27,120 still only nineteen and he will be until June, and 306 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:29,919 so being a teenager in the AHL is not easy. 307 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,639 But forty four points in fifty nine games was pretty solid. 308 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,559 He struggled to drive play at that level, which is understandable, 309 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:39,919 but he did. He was playing like seventeen and a 310 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:42,960 half minutes a night and trying to get some decent 311 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,200 amount of shots out there. But he didn't have the 312 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,080 most amazing opportunity in terms of power play time, so 313 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,159 that was good. He still was able to put up 314 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,159 that many points. So I really like Divorski, but I 315 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,080 think that he's definitely more of an offensive winger and 316 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:02,159 Caden I think can be that top line offensive center, 317 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,240 and so I definitely would lead Catten here. Although I 318 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,119 don't think you should be disappointed with the Vorski if 319 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,440 you have him on your team, I still think the 320 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:12,640 upside is pretty solid. There probably more of a second 321 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,279 line winger, maybe top six, whereas Catten I think has 322 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:18,680 a higher upside. So I would take Cam. And when 323 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:20,720 it's interesting though, when you look at the hockey prospecting 324 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:25,759 between these two, it's actually Devorski has, based on his 325 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,400 AHL time this year, has been able to increase that 326 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,279 his our potential up to sixty four percent, whereas Catten 327 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,240 is holding steady around sixty to fifty five with the 328 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:38,000 NHLA probably being higher. For Divorski, I just from what 329 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:40,119 I've seen from him and what I see in the numbers, 330 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,599 I worry that he's going to struggle to drive play 331 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,759 the Vorski, and so that makes me worry that he's 332 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:48,000 going to need a more specific situation. So he has 333 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,160 a lot of offense, but he might need to have a 334 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,039 more defensively responsible player with him, or he might just 335 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:56,640 not get all the opportunities. So that makes me just 336 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,119 a little bit worried, where I don't have as much 337 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,920 worry about Cadden. That way, they both both these guys. 338 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,839 So Cadden shoots a lot at ten out of ten 339 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,920 on the prospect ranks, and divorce Key a little bit 340 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,599 lower in the HL. He was higher in the OHL 341 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,880 last year. But none of these guys. Neither of these 342 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,200 guys hit or block a whole lot, so their bash 343 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:17,200 is pretty much entirely driven by their shots. 344 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so that's something to watch for. Then divorce 345 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,440 Ki in what level of fantasy upside do you see here? 346 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: I think for Cadden, I think he can be a 347 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,200 first line center. I have often compared Cadden to Mark 348 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Schifley as someone who you know, initially that's what Schifley was. 349 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,480 He was more that that second line offensive center, but 350 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:47,119 it was his offense was so good that eventually he 351 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,319 became more of this top line center. But he's still 352 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,960 he's still not the best defensively, but he has just 353 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,480 so much in His offense is so strong that it 354 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:02,400 doesn't matter anymore. And I think that Cadden can get there. 355 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,440 I think he can have so much offense that that 356 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,079 and he can produce a ton that I think he'll 357 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,799 be that top line center eventually with just a ton 358 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,079 of offense and huge going upside point per game plus, 359 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:19,480 but he might settle more into a second line complimentary 360 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:22,759 center depending on how Shane right Viniers maybe some other 361 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,839 people they draft work out. But I think that's a 362 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:29,680 good mix for him there, and I think that I 363 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 think that's a lot to be excited about Cadden. Yeah, 364 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,079 I would definitely want him as much as I could 365 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,759 get my hands on him, and especially in this I 366 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:40,880 don't tend to like to always look at the organization 367 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,880 because I think top talent can rise to the situation 368 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,599 that they are destined for. But I do think that 369 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,200 in Seattle it's interesting because they don't really have that player. 370 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,759 If he was in another situation, maybe like San Jose 371 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,079 who have like their clear top line center of the 372 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,799 future forever with Celebrini, it would be in a kind 373 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:03,680 of more interesting situation where maybe he falls into that 374 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,480 complimentary role. But I don't see anyone blocking his way 375 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,400 in Seattle. I think he can assume that top spot 376 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,200 and I think that he will. By the way my 377 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,440 ranks for him, I have him at an eight point 378 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,400 one five, so not a super high percentage of hitting 379 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,279 an eight, but an eight is a really high number. 380 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,640 Not too many guys have that kind of upside in 381 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,839 my ranks, and so that's pretty exciting. Divorceki by the way, 382 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:28,119 six point four to seven, so a little bit cool 383 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,720 around him, but I still think he's going to be 384 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:32,400 a great player, all right. 385 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: So Benier's right, Victor Sain. Both of them are trash, 386 00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:38,000 and neither one of them were any impediment to Berkeley 387 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,240 Catton Center one you heard it here or first, folks, 388 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:44,640 that's what I say, even deny it. 389 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he's say. 390 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding people putting words in Victor's mouth. Let's 391 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,720 get some more words out of his mouth, and let's 392 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,240 have them be about Nick Lardis, because you did write 393 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:56,599 a bit about mister Lardis recently. He is a five 394 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,920 to eleven left winger who is drafted in the third 395 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,039 round in twenty twenty three by the Chicago Blackhawks and 396 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,759 is thriving right now for the OHL's Branford Bulldogs. He 397 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:09,079 sits at fourth in scoring for the league in the 398 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:12,359 regular season with one hundred and seventeen points. But guess what. 399 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,839 His seventy one goals leads the OHL Nick Lardis leads 400 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,680 the ohl In goal scored team is now in the 401 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,599 second round of the playoffs. He also managed a whole 402 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:27,400 bunch of points nine, including seven goals in the team's 403 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,200 first round five game series win. So Lartis is he's 404 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,480 on a roll even into the playoffs in the ohl Obviously, 405 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,839 if you're leading the ohl In goal scored, my guy 406 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,440 here could shoot. He's also got a little bit of speed. 407 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:44,279 And I know you looked at him for elite prospects. 408 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,960 So what's your take on Nick Lartis of the Chicago Blackhawks. 409 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:51,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a guy can shoot and score, that's no 410 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,240 doubt about it. And if you look at the article 411 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:56,279 goes through a lot of his skills. I do think 412 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,000 he's a pretty unique dimensional kind of guy. Like his 413 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,640 expected goals and his shots or just off the charts, 414 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,359 that's what he does. He shoots, he scores. What else 415 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,720 does he do? I don't know, not too much. Actually, 416 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:12,039 his expected primary assists, even with all those amazing goals 417 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:16,519 and offenses he's creating, is pretty remarkably and disappointingly low 418 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,480 for a player of that status, and so that makes 419 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,480 you a little bit worried. He did end up scoring 420 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,720 those seventy one goals in the regular season. That and 421 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:32,839 Cam Robinson tweeted this out that is actually the most 422 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,480 aside from one other player, and that was see if 423 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:39,720 you could think in your head, John Tavares seventy two 424 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:44,559 goals and Nick Lardis tied with Eric Lindress at seventy one. 425 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Nick Lardis, Eric Lendress, John Tavares, one of those is 426 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,839 not like the other two, I would say, and I 427 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,799 think that obviously those other two had some pretty incredible seasons. 428 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:59,039 Lindras one of my favorite players growing up, and fortunately 429 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,200 career cut a little shit or dude an injury, but 430 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:04,000 Tavara is still kicking and still highly effective in his 431 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,920 older years. Definitely more of a ski There's always been 432 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,960 more of a skating issue with tavaras he's just so 433 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,240 smart and skilled in other ways that it hasn't really 434 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,720 mattered too much for him. Larnis is definitely faster. He 435 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:20,279 can use that speed to create offense. But the thing 436 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,319 is he hasn't really rounded out his playmaking as much 437 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:25,839 as you would like, and he hasn't really learned a 438 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,880 various speed as much, and a lot of the goals 439 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,000 that he's scoring to me are junior goals. I don't 440 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,839 think that as much of it is going to translate 441 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 to the NHL, and so that's a little bit disappointing. 442 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:40,839 But there's still all opportunity for him to change. I'm 443 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,480 not saying it's not going to happen, but at this 444 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,680 point it seems less likely. It is worth remembering that 445 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,359 he's a July eighth birth date, so really late for 446 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,839 his draft class. He's only a couple months away from 447 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,599 being available for the twenty twenty four draft instead of 448 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:59,160 being drafted twenty twenty three when he was. And there's 449 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,920 some there's definitely a lot of skill here and a 450 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,039 lot of reason to be excited for the black Hawks. 451 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,079 But I think that he's gonna struggle to reach his 452 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,400 ultimate upside just because of some of those other pieces. 453 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,640 But right now there's plenty to be excited about it 454 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,440 and sit back and see where the rest of his 455 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,839 development takes him. And that number is historic. Seventy one 456 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,000 goals is pretty incredible, and you are okay to be 457 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,359 pretty excited about what's happening right now for Lartis. 458 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,759 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, so Mason black gauged he did the heat 459 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,880 check to see just exactly how excited people were, and 460 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,759 he put Nick Lardis up against Carson Raycop of the 461 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,759 Seattle Cracking System back to Seattle, and Lardis in a 462 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,680 pretty substantial win sixty two to thirty eight percent comes 463 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,839 out ahead. Is that the way you would put Nick 464 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,200 Lardis visa VI Carson Raycop. 465 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,559 Speaker 2: In terms of fantasy assets, who I would rather have? 466 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,079 I would say yes, I would rather have Lartis. I 467 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,960 think that what he's done this year in the OHL, 468 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,839 at the very least gives you huge leverage for a 469 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,039 third round pick and what you might be able to 470 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,759 trade for him if you wanted to, Or you could 471 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,319 just wait and see how he plays out. And with 472 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,839 that incredible season that he's had, there's still opportunity for 473 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:24,920 pretty incredible improvement and he might still work out to 474 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,079 be an excellent NHL goal scorer. I have my reservations. 475 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,039 If I was an NHL team, I think I'd rather 476 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,000 have Raykoff. I think he's a more He's a better 477 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,640 all around, complimentary kind of player. He's one of the 478 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,839 Swiss Army knife kind of guys who can help facilitate offense. 479 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,039 He can be a good middle six contributor, and he 480 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,839 has a lot of skill as well. I think the 481 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,599 upside in terms of all around play is probably higher 482 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,720 for Raycoff and Lardie is pretty unidimensional and so in 483 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:58,480 the right situation, in the right system, he could really work. 484 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,519 I have some concerns about they have Badard who's not 485 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,640 a large man. They have Nasar who's not a large man, 486 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,240 and now they have Lartis who's not a large man, 487 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,680 and they need some bigger guys and physicality, and they 488 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,799 have some of those. They have Alex Flasik in the future. 489 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,440 They have some other guys the Kortyinski and some of 490 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,240 the other forwards that are a little bit lower in 491 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,559 their lineup. But I just wonder if they have the 492 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,119 right situation for him, because I do think Lardis is 493 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,000 going to need that He's going to need a playmaker 494 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,200 who creates space, and I worry a little bit about 495 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,759 his straight line speed just not being as big of 496 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,039 a cheat code in the next level as it is 497 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,920 so far in the OHL. So yeah, I would definitely 498 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,680 like Lartis for the asset and the upside that he 499 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,000 projects right now, but I don't think I would keep 500 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,759 him Jesse. I probably would trade him and get something 501 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,359 a little bit more secure. It's interesting looking at the 502 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,960 hockey prospecting between the two. Lardis has been in that 503 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,640 fifteen to twenty percent and he's consistently maintained that despite 504 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,319 his historic goal runs, it does show a nice progression 505 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,160 year to year, and his NHL er upside is pretty huge. 506 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,200 Raykoff has trend it down a little bit, but that's 507 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,240 mainly because his HL equivalencies haven't been increasing as much, 508 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,640 but they were. It was higher than Lardis's last season 509 00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:20,000 in the draft plus one season there, so he definitely 510 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,279 still has a decent amount of upside, and so I 511 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,480 think that's pretty exciting. And as you might expect looking 512 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,880 at his Fantasy Hockey Life player card, the shots for 513 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,599 Lardis are just tops. He is a volume shooter and 514 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,759 you're gonna get a lot of that. In terms of 515 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,440 your prifs, you're not gonna get a whole lot of hits, 516 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,480 and you'll get some blocks from him, but most of 517 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720 the bashes coming from that shots. And looking at his 518 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,359 Fantasy Hockey Life rating, I have him at a six 519 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,799 point seventy four, so seventy four percent of being six. 520 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:52,880 So I do still think he's gonna make it and 521 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:55,440 have some contributions in the NHL. I just don't have 522 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,119 him higher. I don't have him at a seven or 523 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,119 eight because the concerns that I mentioned Jesse. 524 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 3: Victor. I completely got sidetracked because I was thinking to myself. 525 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:10,839 So we got Lartis in Chicago, We've got Badard, We've 526 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,759 got Frank Naser. We could make him nizarre if we 527 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:17,680 had to. And who's the other young pup on this team, 528 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,359 Oliver Moore. Right, it's a bunch of R talk like 529 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,319 a pirated is going to be fire in Chicago people, 530 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,400 Chicago promotional people. Everybody on your team who's good now 531 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,759 is going to be an R. You can add that 532 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,359 one for free. But anyway, back to the topic at hand, 533 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,039 Nick lardis what kind of a fantasy profile? So it's 534 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,200 just shooting how high can the upside get? 535 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,079 Speaker 2: Here? By the way, this is the kind of insight 536 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,559 people tune in for. Jesse me, this is my upside. 537 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,519 Speaker 3: Right, if you like this, you've come to the right place. 538 00:28:54,319 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: Y are. I think that Lartis certainly can score on 539 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,079 professional goalies. We're going to find out soon, possibly probably 540 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,559 next year because he's gonna graduate from the OHL and 541 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,519 be in the AHL. I think that he can definitely score, 542 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,559 but I think he might unless he really changes and 543 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,279 develops more of his scoring acumen and learns to adapt 544 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,799 to that professional pro style game. I think he might 545 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,160 be limited to more of a twenty goal kind of guy, 546 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,519 twenty to twenty five goal kind of guy, and so 547 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,880 that's going to be disappointing. But I think if everything 548 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,599 breaks right and he continues to adapt and improve, he 549 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,119 could certainly score thirty plus. But I think he's always 550 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:38,519 going to be more of a goal scorer, so if 551 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,519 he's even if he scores thirty, he might only be 552 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,440 a fifty point guy, which will be really disappointed. Maybe 553 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880 he can work on that playmaking. If he's on that 554 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,759 power play, maybe he gets some assists just touching it around. 555 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,480 So I think he certainly has upside for sixty five plus, 556 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240 but I think that more likely he's going to just 557 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,599 score a decent number of goals, probably in the twenty 558 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,400 to thirty range, and not have a whole lot of assists, 559 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,440 which will make him a little bit of a disappointing 560 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000 fantasy asset. And so that's a little bit of the 561 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,920 concern and why I would probably if I had him, 562 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:13,599 I'd probably trade him and strike while iron is hot 563 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400 and get a more secure asset out of that deal. 564 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: Jesse Our, Tom Levshunov, Victor, Arvid Soderblom is going to 565 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,440 be back, and they're gonna keep Laurent Blur soirre. I'm sorry, 566 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,000 I'm I apologize to all the listeners. Yeah, all right, 567 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,880 I've derailed. But the point is Nick Lardis is perhaps 568 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,599 to sell high, Bud. We'd love to see somebody. Somebody's 569 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:38,920 got to score all those goals in Chicago, that's for sure. 570 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Maybe Nick lards will be the guy. I think that 571 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,680 wraps up as far as I'm gonna carry this Nick 572 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,559 Lardis segment. Victor. But before we go to the break, 573 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,640 let me clear the floor, Let you take the ice 574 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,759 to the skate around the rink and anything you want 575 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,880 to talk about with all these great articles you've been 576 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,599 putting out for EP. 577 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Jesse. So some of you may or may 578 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,680 not know this, but my time at EP has come 579 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160 to an end. This happened actually a bit ago. A 580 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,440 few weeks ago, Cam came to me and said that Unfortunately, 581 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,920 EP is doing some restructuring and they're getting rid of 582 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,119 their whole fantasy arm, so Michael Clifford and I, who 583 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920 were there along with Cam writing about fantasy, are going 584 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,720 to no longer be able to do that. So it's unfortunate, 585 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,839 but I really appreciated my time there. Was a lot 586 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,240 of fun and hopefully people liked the articles, and nothing 587 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,799 but great things to say about EP. Was really a 588 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,880 good time and a pleasure to work there. While disappointing 589 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,319 that it's ending, nothing but appreciation and I will I'm 590 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,960 not necessarily looking for another writing gig, but open to ideas. 591 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,039 I'm actually looking forward to diving back in and doing 592 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,000 a lot more with Dauber, who has supported me and 593 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,319 this show for a long time. So hopefully going to 594 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,960 do a little bit more there and looking forward to that, 595 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,640 especially contributing to the Guide this summer, which I wasn't 596 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,359 able to the last couple of years because I was 597 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,839 working with Cam on the EP Guide. So thanks so 598 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,799 much to everyone who read those. And so unfortunately you're 599 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,359 not going to be seeing any more of those articles 600 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:08,720 about X gamers or on EP, and so we'll find 601 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,720 another way to get all that information out there. Yep, 602 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640 that's the main thing I wanted to say, And thanks 603 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 so much everyone who read that, and thanks to EP 604 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:17,839 for the opportunity. 605 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't say it, but I can't, Victor, 606 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,880 And I'm sure I speak for a lot of the 607 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,720 listeners here as their loss. But we are going to 608 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,440 continue to benefit from hearing your great analysis here, and 609 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,880 I'm sure people will be looking for your byline wherever 610 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,480 it is found. Thanks Victor. Let's take a break. We're 611 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680 going to come back with something even sillier. 612 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:48,599 Speaker 2: Ah you me hearties. Arm seasons. 613 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: All right, I probably oversold the silly But the reason 614 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,480 I said that is because I'm going to talk about 615 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,079 or I'm going to set up a topic here for 616 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,839 Victor and I to discuss. This is more of a 617 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:01,599 we'll talk a couple of players at the end, but 618 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,000 this is more of a metatopic on fantasy hockey, and 619 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:08,799 that is the concept of silly season. And silly season 620 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,200 is an actually kind of a serious thing, and I've 621 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,160 been thinking a lot about it lately because this is 622 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680 the time of year to think about silly season. And 623 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880 let me define exactly what that is. I'll do that 624 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,799 in a minute. But This has to do with the 625 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:26,000 way we structure our fantasy leagues in the last say 626 00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,920 quarter of the year, and how the way that things 627 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,119 are being played out in the league impact the competition, 628 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,759 in particularly head to head leagues. We've made the argument 629 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,519 on this show, and we've done it repeatedly that there's 630 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,640 multiple reasons why it's good to end a fantasy season 631 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,480 before the end of a regular season. The dog days 632 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,960 of February and March is our one argument. I find 633 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,799 that when people are out of it in leagues they're 634 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640 not going to make the playoffs. They're riding at five 635 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,000 and twelve, and it's mid February and it's past the 636 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,200 All Star break. They know they've got no chance to contend. 637 00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,960 It's hard to get people to keep setting their lineups 638 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960 at that point, more likely to lose focus than if 639 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,800 you have a somewhat shorter season. And I also I 640 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,559 love a balance schedule. I love it when we can 641 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,920 set up a league so that everybody plays everybody else 642 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,320 in equal number of times, even if we got to 643 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,400 make a couple of those matchups two weekers, because that 644 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,880 means you've got an exactly even as much as humanly possible, 645 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,199 even strength of schedule for teams. But the other part 646 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,159 of the argument is the concept of what's the quality 647 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,440 of play in the league at the end of a 648 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:38,239 regular season. Silly season is an actual term we use 649 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,360 in fantasy basketball, so importing I'm doing the Dynasty Sports 650 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,039 Life thing of crossing over a little bit here and 651 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,719 explaining just how ridiculous fantasy basketball gets. To the point 652 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,159 where fantasy basketball, to some extent, is almost broken, I 653 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,800 would say by the way that the league is structured 654 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,159 at the end of the year, and the reason we 655 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,920 call it silly season is that the results of player performance, 656 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,639 the players who are available, the players that thrive at 657 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:08,480 the end of a season are silly. Okay, there are 658 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,440 blatantly tanking teams, and when I say blatantly taking, I 659 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:16,800 mean there are like ten teams who are intentionally trying 660 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,559 not to put out a lineup that can win a 661 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:21,559 game on any given night. And yet the way basketball works, 662 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,320 you're still going to get ninety points when you're terrible. 663 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,119 Somebody who's out there who probably shouldn't even be in 664 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,039 an NBA game is going to get in fifty points 665 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,079 the last day of the season and never being hurt 666 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:32,719 from again. 667 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 5: Because they're intentionally be put out there by a team 668 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,599 wants to lose, and again, this is to improve their 669 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:46,320 draft position, which in the NBA is an even bigger 670 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,360 deal than it is in the NHL. 671 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 3: And then there's the injuries. Injuries and resting done late 672 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,239 in the season in the NBA for similar reasons. Among 673 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,599 the major sports, Baseball's top rounds are very unstable. Baseball 674 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,360 HQ did a study a couple of years past that 675 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,760 in a fifteen team league, you can expect that about 676 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,559 five guys who were drafted in the first round are 677 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,880 going to return first round value, four to five guys, 678 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,199 and beyond there, it's going to be wild. Somebody drafted 679 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,119 after one hundred is going to end up in the 680 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,960 first round. Hockey, we don't really have that, man. The 681 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,599 people we drafted in the first round tend to be 682 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,599 the first round performers. It's really very unusual either for somebody, 683 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,679 for non injury reasons just to stink who was in 684 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,280 that first round, or for somebody who was in the fiftieth, sixtieth, 685 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,639 seventieth round to just pop up and become a very 686 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,199 top of the line contributor. In fantasy hockey at least, 687 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:47,920 in my opinion, for an entire season. But in basketball, 688 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,400 like I said, there are players who you end up 689 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,719 streaming in fantasy playoffs who were undrafted, unrosterable for most 690 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,559 of the year people have never heard of, and they 691 00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:01,039 win you championships. So this means the background of my 692 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,760 parent and oil when it comes to hockey scheduling, and 693 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:09,159 so obviously there's nothing. I'm sure people were not familiar 694 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,320 with basketball are listening to this with a gast at 695 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,480 what I'm talking about here. But I do want to 696 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,079 raise the question of whether hockey has at least a 697 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,920 version of this problem, whereas there's something creeping in of 698 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,320 this level of trouble. So currently, I would say injuries 699 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920 late in the season and fantasy hockey are real. I 700 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,159 don't think it's malingering in fantasy hockey. I think it's 701 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,320 the physicality of the game that causes this, and to 702 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,119 some extent, injuries are art a part of the game. 703 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,719 I looked up the eightyps for drafting this year in 704 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,000 fantasy hockey. Fifteen of the eighty two people who were 705 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,440 drafted in the top one hundred for skaters. I'm just 706 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,119 talking about skaters. The fifteen of the top eighty two 707 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,639 drafted skaters are currently on the AL or or were 708 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,360 the the day when I took this snapshot, And that 709 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,320 includes Connor McDavid is now back. Dry Title's been in 710 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,199 and out. Caprizov just came back, but he's been gone forever. 711 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,360 Jack Hughes has gone, Matt Kachuk, Brady Kachuk, Roman Yosi, 712 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:18,320 Elias Petterson, Dougie Hamilton, Miro Haskin, and Charlie McAvoy, Matt Barzol, 713 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,159 Joel Eric Sinek. There have been a ton of players 714 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,119 who were very highly touted who have been out and 715 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,320 not great. Fifteen of eighty two in basketball. By the way, 716 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400 it's forty of the top one hundred eighty DV players 717 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,360 who are injured and out at this point. So that 718 00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,039 just gives you a sense. And then there's the famous 719 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,800 LTIR problem where teams are incentivized to use LTIR to 720 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,880 stay in cap compliance leading up to the playoffs. Now 721 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,119 there have been a little bit of fluctuation because just 722 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,760 shortly before we recorded this, both Caprizov and McDavid came 723 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,639 back from the il slats. But would you believe that 724 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,159 right now there are eleven of thirty two NHL teams 725 00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,440 that are only making cap compliance because of LTIR. So 726 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:08,760 there's a lot of situations, Like I'm not a cappologist, 727 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440 There's probably ways that this gets finagled with the exact 728 00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,679 number of days that guys are on the roster and 729 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,760 so forth being able to be pro rated. But Mero 730 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:23,320 Hayskin and Drew Dowdy, Jack Hughes, Matt Kichuck, Gabriel Landiskagaz, 731 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,480 He's a whole thing in and of himself. But there's 732 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,199 reasons why some of these guys can't be activated necessarily 733 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,119 right when they get healthy. But there are reasons why 734 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,280 the teams have to maybe delay they come back. It 735 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,719 Matt mark Stone and Nikita Kutrov being the famous instances 736 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,119 from a couple of years ago. And I'll tell you what. 737 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,400 Nikita Kutruv, he was oun't and off a long time, 738 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,320 but that I'm sure that tanked somebody's season. And Nikita 739 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,960 Kutro a couple ago, just a second. So, and I 740 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,559 think bigger than lingering intentional tanking, the big thing for 741 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,840 the NHL is the teams need guys for the sixteen games. 742 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,760 That is, the sixteen games you have to win a 743 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,880 Stanley Cup, and everybody's dinged up at this time of year, 744 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,840 and we know they're just going to get the heck 745 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,239 beat out of them in the playoffs. So players increasingly, 746 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,159 I think, need to be and have been conservatively managed 747 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,599 in March in April because they're needed for the playoffs. 748 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:26,360 So I'm not saying that somebody's help because they're a 749 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440 weak I know that's totally away from the hockey ethos, 750 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,000 but I think teams are actually smart if they make 751 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,039 some of their players sit at this point of the year, 752 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,280 if they're beat up, to make sure that they're ready 753 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,880 to go in April. It's a different type of culture, 754 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,519 but it comes out in the same place where we 755 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:44,119 might lose players for the end of the regular season, 756 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,039 which is when we play our fantasy hockey playoffs, all right. 757 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,280 So I'm trying to lay out the case that basketball 758 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,199 is the extreme example. Hockey could end up drifting that way, 759 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,000 and I worry that it's a problem and may increase 760 00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,880 them become a problem. Victor, Have I convinced you in 761 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,920 any way or where do you stand on this issue. 762 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,559 Speaker 2: I don't play in basketball leagues and certainly don't follow 763 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,880 it that closely. What you're describing sounds very extreme. I 764 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,679 don't think, as you mentioned, this happens quite to this 765 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,480 effect in hockey. I don't think hockey players are wired 766 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,639 that right way. I think a lot of them would 767 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,440 fight to be out there and to be playing, and 768 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,880 it doesn't seem to be that way in basketball. But 769 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,519 I do think a lot of that, a lot of 770 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,519 the similarities do persist in hockey. I think a lot 771 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:37,559 of players who probably could come back a little bit earlier, 772 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,440 especially the more seasoned ones who you know, like Matthew Kachuck, 773 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,679 who's clearly very competitive but also knows that they're in 774 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,159 for a long playoff run, might just want to take 775 00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,320 a little bit longer to make sure that he's fully 776 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,800 one hundred percent healthy and maybe pretty soft too. Maybe 777 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,920 there would be more incentive if the wild weren't quite 778 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440 as close or quite as well positioned in the playoffs. 779 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,760 So I do think there's a little bit of we're 780 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,519 in the playoffs, so let's just make sure we optimize 781 00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,920 our chance of doing well in there. And so by 782 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,760 the very definition there, that's different than basketball. Right You're 783 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,800 talking about players who are potentially resting, whose teams are 784 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,119 in the playoffs, and as opposed to teams that are 785 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,039 tanking and they're just trying to rest and sit their starters. 786 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,119 You don't really see that happening in hockey. But what 787 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:31,079 you do see, I think is sometimes on some of 788 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,320 those teams that aren't as good or in that mushy middle, 789 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,159 you do see a lot of let's just shut him 790 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,239 down for the year. There's no point in keeping him going. 791 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,239 He probably could play the rest of the year, but 792 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,840 why there's nothing really to play for. So you do 793 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,760 see a little bit of that, but typically there's somewhat 794 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,159 of a legitimate injury. And I think the other thing 795 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,119 that happens is you just in hockey, you'll give some 796 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,000 guys rest here there, you'll play different goalies, give them 797 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,159 a chance, guys that are signing their elcs from college 798 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,719 or from other places, and they'll get them in the lineup. 799 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,039 And so somebody has to come out. And so it's 800 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,480 more based on that, Let's see what we have for 801 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,599 this team, Let's see how this player looks. We have 802 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,000 to make a decision on this young player maybe in 803 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,760 the offseason, so let's see what we have. And so 804 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,760 you might have some of these other players take a 805 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,239 night off. Typically it's other fourth liners that are getting scratched, 806 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,280 though it's not typically let's rest our stars, but usually 807 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,159 those guys will still play. But I do think there's 808 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,800 a little bit of it, and I think that really 809 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,920 does become an issue in the last couple of weeks. 810 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840 So that's why we have advocated for ending early. Like 811 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480 all of my leagues are not done now, Jesse, there's 812 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:43,719 still a couple more weeks, and my last one ended 813 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960 just Sunday, but a lot of them had already ended 814 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,480 the week or two prior to that, and I think 815 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,400 I've always liked that, even though it means that the 816 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,199 playoffs and everything come early. But I think what you 817 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,599 really want to assess is that everybody has a similar 818 00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,800 number of games. People are playing as much as possible, 819 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:03,840 not at the end of the season where guys might 820 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,679 be resting or taking time off, and so you want 821 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,679 to level the playing field as much as possible. Two 822 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,119 week playoffs we try to always do that because I 823 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,480 think that's really going to be reflective of who's who's 824 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,119 the best fantasy manager. And if you have a random week, 825 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,800 especially where players are taking time off, you can't really 826 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,239 adequately assess that, and so I don't think it's nearly 827 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,920 as bad as it is in basketball, but I do 828 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,159 think that it is still a bit of an issue. 829 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,599 And you'd hate if your season came down to one 830 00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,119 week where there's only a couple of games for your 831 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,679 star and they decided that they were going to let 832 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,880 him rest a little bit longer before playoffs. I know 833 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,239 several people who Coroll Caprizov came back just a little 834 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,719 bit too late to help their season and they just 835 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,119 got they just couldn't compete because and that's a little 836 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:55,840 bit of a different situation and unfortunate timing of that injury. 837 00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:58,639 But could he have come back earlier if they needed him, 838 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:03,320 I don't know. There's just there's potentially issues with that, 839 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,760 and so having it be longer and having it cover 840 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,800 more of the earlier part of the season. I think 841 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,840 you're going to avoid some of those issues, but it's 842 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,679 not going to be perfect. Jessie, Yeah, I hear you. 843 00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 3: I and I think I come out in the same 844 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,159 place worry about the future. I don't I don't want 845 00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:27,519 to be that guy, Victor, but I don't understand how 846 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,480 hockey players play through what they do that NBA players 847 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,119 can They're actually running into each other all the time, 848 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,800 running into each other at full speed. Is it because 849 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,559 of the pats? Is it because the NBA players are 850 00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:44,159 too tall and it's hard on their knees. Don't understand 851 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,039 how hockey players. Anyway, this is going to become probably 852 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,719 bad in a minute, so I'm going to stop saying that. 853 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,599 But Victor, the other piece of this, I guess that 854 00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,639 that I want to talk about, and this is maybe 855 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,119 that's the philosophical conversation. I think you're right. I don't 856 00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:04,920 think that's the reason we end our seasons earlier. But 857 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,199 I'm telling you put up the warning flag. But let's 858 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,880 talk about some small sample sized guys at the end 859 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,199 of the We don't talk about small We talk about 860 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,440 small sample guys at the beginning of the season and 861 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,079 how we don't trust it and we get bored of 862 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,159 it by this time. But sometimes I feel like in 863 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:23,679 the off season we look at guys who ended strong 864 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,840 and we say, oh, maybe there's something going on there. 865 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,760 So while I was running all this data, I looked 866 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,639 at the last thirty days and I looked at the 867 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:34,679 top twenty skaters, and there were a couple of guys. 868 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,480 I love a report where ninety percent of it or 869 00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,880 eighty five percent of it looks like, oh yeah, that's 870 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,119 what I'd expect, and then twenty percent that's interesting. That's 871 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,039 the best type of report to me, because that's when 872 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:50,679 you're actually catching you know that it's basically catching the 873 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,679 right information, but you're catching the weird outliers. So the 874 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,199 number three player in the tidy settings for the last 875 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:01,639 thirty days victory is key for sure. And we've talked 876 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,440 about him before in this show. We talked about him, 877 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,880 I think as the guy who maybe you would make 878 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,159 as a sale on a run to a veteran team 879 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,159 this year, if I remember right, we talked about him 880 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:15,159 in like the sale deadline type time winger. Of course, 881 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,679 for Vancouver, he just turned thirty, so he's not a 882 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,079 young pup. He was drafted on average twelve hundred and 883 00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:26,199 thirty this preseason. But here's the thing with Q for 884 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,280 surewood he chooses violence every day when he wakes up 885 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,679 and goes to the rink. Four hundred and forty six 886 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,960 hits this season. He's still got half a dozen games left, 887 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:39,280 or maybe five as I'm recording this. And in the 888 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,039 evolving hockey era, which is running all the evolving hockey 889 00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:45,239 stats back to seven o eight, which is your lyrist. 890 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,159 The database goes, this is the most hits anybody has 891 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,000 had defenseman forward anybody, four hundred and forty six hits 892 00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:57,119 so far. And these hits are already miles ahead of 893 00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:01,639 the second place finisher for that entire era, Jeremy Losan, 894 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,079 who had three hundred and eighty two hits last year 895 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,800 four and forty six to three hundred eighty two, four 896 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,360 and forty six and counting to three hundred and eighty two. 897 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,280 And while he's only been half point per game this season, 898 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,760 the reason he's in, the reason he's number three right 899 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719 now is he's got thirteen points in the last fifteen 900 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,880 games and Vancouver's let's just say in flux a little bit. 901 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,079 Things are changing there in Vancouver and he's only thirty 902 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,840 is key for Sherwood budget, Tom Wilson, Victor And is 903 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,599 this a guy who we're actually going to have to 904 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:33,840 take seriously next year? 905 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 2: That's a That's the million dollar question I think is 906 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,079 that is this going to continue? And yes, I have 907 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,280 been saying to people that, yeah, trade him to a contender. 908 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,239 He's not nothing, but he's certainly. There was a time 909 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,480 where he was also scoring a decent amount of points 910 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,599 in addition to all those insane hits and decent blocks, 911 00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,800 but that of course cooled down. But there were people saying, oh, 912 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,559 I should I just trade him for nothing because we 913 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,400 know this isn't going to continue, and I was saying, no, 914 00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,519 don't trade him for nothing. Trade him. There should be 915 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,199 people who want to pay a decent amount for him 916 00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,079 because he's really gonna help. He's really going to help. 917 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,199 He can win you leagues when you can win you 918 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,119 categories in categories leagues, so that's something you like to see. Yeah, 919 00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,519 there's a lot going on in Vancouver, and who knows 920 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,559 what's going to happen. It sounds we really have to 921 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,800 wait and see what's going to happen with Tuckett because 922 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,519 it sounds like he's not going to be there, but 923 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,039 if he is, that will probably affect the situation. Whoever 924 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,719 they put in there is gonna affect the situation. He's 925 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,199 an amazing value in cap leagues. He's got another season 926 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,480 at one point five million, so that's really great. But 927 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,039 you look at some of his underlying numbers, it's actually surprising. 928 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,519 You might think of him more as like just a 929 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,840 banger who's good defensively or something, but he's pretty average 930 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,519 defensively and his offensive game, his expected goals and actual 931 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,000 goals above replacement have been really solid this year, above average, 932 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,320 and so that's surprising to see that he actually has 933 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,400 been deserving a lot of the points that he's getting. 934 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,840 He's still only on a forty two point pace. None 935 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,079 of that is incredible, and so basically any points you 936 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,840 get out of him are gravy. He has been justifying 937 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,920 his time on ice. He's only getting around fifteen minutes, 938 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,960 and that's been steadily climbing the last few years for 939 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,880 him in terms of his role. And he got a 940 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,119 lot more opportunity in Nashville than he ever had before 941 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,960 he was with Colorado and Anaheim before then. He actually 942 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,679 has been on each team for two years, and so 943 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,400 it'll be interesting to see if he sticks in Vancouver 944 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,519 after next year, whether he goes somewhere else and does 945 00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,679 another two year stint. But I think your short answer, Jesse, 946 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,679 is a yeah, I do think this version of Kieva 947 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,559 Sherwood is going to continue. He's going to hit a 948 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,320 lot hopefully he'll still play in the fifteen to sixteen 949 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,440 minute range, which is going to allow him to translate 950 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,639 that hits for sixty that he's been doing to a 951 00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,800 really high number. And yeah, I think that he's going 952 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,159 to continue to be valuable. He's not gonna score a 953 00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,400 whole bunch of points, I don't think, but his two 954 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,239 power play points this season will probably continue to be 955 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,000 his high. But I do think that, yeah, he's gonna 956 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,679 continue to hit a bunch and be pretty valuable in 957 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,719 leagues to count that. I don't think he's gonna be 958 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,840 the next Tom Wilson in terms of him being a 959 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,039 really effective playmaker and goal scorer, but I will say 960 00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,800 that some of that is actually there in the sense 961 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,519 of him generating offense and creating opportunities for his teammates. 962 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,840 But I think he can maybe get to the Tom 963 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,159 Wilson level that was there a few years ago, where 964 00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,000 he was in that fifty ish point range. I think 965 00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,280 Surewood can get there. This sixty seven point version of 966 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,400 Tom Wilson with ov breaking scoring records. I don't think 967 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,840 that Surewood's going to get there. 968 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,519 Speaker 3: The forty to fifty point thing. I just want to 969 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,599 I want to point this out, because it's something psychological 970 00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,159 when we see that somebody scores forty points for like, 971 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,519 it's not very good, and it isn't de actively, it 972 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,039 isn't most forty point guys aren't valuable on our fantasy teams. 973 00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:06,760 But let me tell you something like Jeremy Lazon last 974 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,840 year when he had that incredible hitting year, he had 975 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,360 fourteen points in seventy nine games. The difference between that 976 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,840 fourteen points and forty points is is it's huge. It's 977 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,480 a huge difference for somebody to be able to get 978 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,800 at least a viable number of points to go with. 979 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,840 That type of peripheral stat is not to be underestimated, 980 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,679 just in the sense that those extra twenty five points 981 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,519 to in that category just as good as the twenty 982 00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,559 five points you might get above and beyond that. Not 983 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,880 explaining this very well, but as a concept, and I'm 984 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,400 not saying you're not doing that, Victor. I'm just saying 985 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:44,079 sometimes we're like this. We think of somebody who gets 986 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,320 a ton of periffs in ten points the same way 987 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,079 as we think of somebody gets a ton of priffs 988 00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,519 and forty points, and that's a really big difference in 989 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,000 terms of you're going to bank some extra points that 990 00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,719 you're not going to get from some other specialist in 991 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,920 that area. But it is way up in the air, 992 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,880 and you're right, I don't think he probably has the 993 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,760 heights of Tom Wilson ahead of him. Wilson was Wilson 994 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,239 was more of a hitter and not much of a 995 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,159 scorer at a young age, but he was never not prominent, 996 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,360 let's just say whereas sure what certainly was for some 997 00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:17,920 time in his career. 998 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 2: Second guy, I. 999 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 3: Wanted to bring up Victor who is in the top twenty, 1000 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:26,280 but unfortunately he's in the top twenty, but he's not 1001 00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,679 rising any further and he's only going to be able 1002 00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:32,679 to fall because he's done for the year and only 1003 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,519 got twelve games played as opposed to the fifteen or 1004 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:39,199 sixteen games or fifteen I think was the max games 1005 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,800 played for the other guys in this top twenty. But 1006 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:46,239 it is Dylan Holloway of the Saint Louis Blues, the 1007 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,719 guy who was a Wisconsin, the only one of the 1008 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,119 successful Badgers to feel like in the last few years, 1009 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,920 all those Badgers we talked about, man Dylan Holloway, aside 1010 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,760 from Cole Kawfield the only one of these badgers who 1011 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,920 come in the last few years who really blossomed now, 1012 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,280 but he was such a slow starter, it seemed like 1013 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,400 for the Oilers. Now he's only twenty three and famously 1014 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,519 got that big RFA contract last summer, But boy, he 1015 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,360 has just blown up or he did blow up late 1016 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,840 in this incredible Blues run that they've been on and 1017 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,679 he's only twenty three. Victor, I'm trying to decide if 1018 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,920 Dylan Holloway, if this was just like the hot stretch 1019 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,480 of his year. But these sixteen points in twelve games 1020 00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:31,760 that he had in the last month and sixty three 1021 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,679 points in seventy seven games, so it's not like that 1022 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,920 was the only time he did this year. It deserves remembering, 1023 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,760 and I hope we do remember it in the off season. 1024 00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,440 Is he the sixty three point in seventy. 1025 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 2: Seven game guy? 1026 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,039 Speaker 3: Is that even a little high? Or is he the 1027 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:48,119 guy who got over a point per game for that 1028 00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:51,079 last thirty days. Is that actually a sign of what 1029 00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:51,760 he could be. 1030 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure we will talk about a lot of these 1031 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,840 guys in our team previews, but I think that Dylan 1032 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,320 Holloway is a bit for real I remember looking at 1033 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,280 him last year and thinking, this guy does have some 1034 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,039 underlying numbers, but I was a little skeptical that he 1035 00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:14,639 could leverage it into a lot more counting scats stats, 1036 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,000 just because a lot of times he was playing eleven 1037 00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,960 minutes and twenty two seconds. He had some good underlying numbers, 1038 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,960 But he was a twenty point pace player in Edmonton 1039 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,920 during the regular season. Yes, the playoffs went really well, 1040 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,199 so that doesn't always translate. This is a huge translation 1041 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,559 to massive production for Dylan Holloway. And the thing is 1042 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,000 you look at his underlying numbers and they look really good. 1043 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:41,440 His metrics on evolving hockey are are sterling. You're talking 1044 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,800 about ninety eighth percentile overall, ninety second percentile for offense, 1045 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,599 ninety fourth percentile for defense. You just don't see this 1046 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,079 kind of player like he quite frankly, was one of 1047 00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:56,400 the best players in the league this year and was 1048 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,559 able to put up a sixty seven point pace, which 1049 00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:01,800 is just remarkable. That's only in just under seventeen minutes 1050 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,679 of time on ice, so he's still not even getting 1051 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,880 the most time on ice in Saint Louis. He hits 1052 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,719 a lot, he shoots a little bit two point three 1053 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,639 times per game. His shooting percentage, yes, was high. His 1054 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,039 career average before this season was about eight percent, and 1055 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,920 this season he was up at almost fifteen and so 1056 00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:22,480 nearly doubling his shooting percentage. His PDO was high, so 1057 00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,039 he was cooking a little bit hot in a lot 1058 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,480 of different ways. His IPP, his PDO, his shooting percentage, 1059 00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:32,480 his secondary assist rate, all of that was probably over indexed. 1060 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,679 And so was that sixty seven point pace real. I 1061 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:41,159 think the play driving and the offensive creation numbers suggest yes, 1062 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,360 but the luck metrics suggests no, So the truth might 1063 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,360 be somewhere in the middle. I do think he has 1064 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,440 shown at this point he can probably be a sixty 1065 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,199 to seventy point player and might just need some of 1066 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,800 that high variants to get there, which some really good 1067 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,760 players can basically create their own luck, and so he 1068 00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,199 might be one of those. I think that he's a 1069 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,400 really solid player, and it's gonna be really interesting to 1070 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,079 see where he goes in drafts next year, because I 1071 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,760 think it's going to be hard to believe this production, 1072 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:11,679 although at the same time you can't necessarily ignore it. 1073 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,159 I would probably let someone else reach for him when 1074 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,599 the time comes just because I would like to draft 1075 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,239 players in this position who have done it before. But 1076 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760 at the same time, if he's still there when your 1077 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,960 draft is going on, he's probably someone you want to 1078 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,559 go ahead and grab because he could potentially build on this. 1079 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:34,679 And you look at some of the top players, Shen 1080 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,000 is really slowing down, Kyu and Thomas are both highly 1081 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,280 paid and they're great, and we're pretty good this season. 1082 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,519 Bushnevich had some injuries and was pretty inconsistent. There's probably 1083 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:47,719 opportunity for him. You got some of the young guys 1084 00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,920 come in with snugrud and divorceky and neighbors there, there 1085 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,280 might be a good opportunity for him. It's hard to say, 1086 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,880 but I really like doing Halloway and yeah, he's I 1087 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,920 think he is pretty much as good as he's shown 1088 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,800 this year. He just might have also gotten lucky. 1089 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:05,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that Blues preview because the Blues 1090 00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:07,000 are sneaking up on all of us in a lot 1091 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,559 of ways. And the third of the players who showed 1092 00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,519 up in here who surprised me, and this guy is 1093 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,599 not unprominent, but he was definitely drafted outside the top 1094 00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:19,719 one hundred hundred and thirty three and that's Drake Batherson 1095 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,760 of the Ottawa Senators who has been burning it up 1096 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,159 for the last thirty days. Now, He's some of these 1097 00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,800 guys had more points per game than him, but twelfth 1098 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,320 in total scoring. And by the way, the Lemieux Division, 1099 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,559 the one that I'm in in the tidy, I will 1100 00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:38,199 point out the Iowa Canuck went from the sixth seed 1101 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:40,480 to win the whole tournament and. 1102 00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:42,679 Speaker 2: This was his score. 1103 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,159 Speaker 3: This is team for the last thirty days. It was 1104 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,960 Drake Bathson amongst skaters outst the Iowa Canuck who upset 1105 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,960 the whole division in won Tier two Lemieux in in tidy, 1106 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,079 and Drake Batherson was a part of that. And one 1107 00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:59,480 one might say, Brady Chuck's been out, so maybe he's 1108 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,079 getting somedditional usage there, but that's not really it. He's 1109 00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,719 still playing. He's been playing with Dylan Cousins and David 1110 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,440 Parnt for a long time. And yeah he's been on 1111 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,000 the power play a lot, but only three of us 1112 00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:14,199 thirteen points in the last month have come there. The 1113 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:18,079 big difference with Drake Batherson is he's got a point, 1114 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,599 three shots and two hits a game. That'll do it. 1115 00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,039 That'll do it for you in a CATS league or 1116 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:26,239 a in a Bash league. I feel like Drake Bathson 1117 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,159 is going to move up at least to the top 1118 00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,920 one hundred next year, maybe like the top seventy or 1119 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,440 something like that, from the types of numbers he's been 1120 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,119 putting up. Maybe it's time to start giving some respect, 1121 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,920 put in respect on those senators' names. Do you think 1122 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,039 that Drake Bathson is this anything that you perceive as real? 1123 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,840 Not knowing yet where we're going to come in when 1124 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,800 we talk to the senators. 1125 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 2: Folks, Yeah, I don't know. And he also helped me 1126 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,000 win a championship, so I appreciate that in one of 1127 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,079 the leagues that I have him in. So he was 1128 00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:58,760 great and we will definitely be talking to I Kannock 1129 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,079 a little bit more when we do our tidy round table. 1130 01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,519 That's impressive. Winning from the sixth seed, as we heard 1131 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,000 last week, winning having to win that first round when 1132 01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,400 the top two teams have a by winning that round 1133 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,679 and then winning the next two is just PRIs pretty 1134 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,599 It's something pretty special. It's really hard to do, so 1135 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,360 good to him. Good on him. In terms of Batherston, 1136 01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,880 I don't know that I really believe this as much 1137 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,400 as I do for Halloway. A lot of his underlying numbers, 1138 01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:27,159 especially his defensive numbers, are pretty poor. Some of his 1139 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,280 even strength offense is also not great. But on the 1140 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,480 power play he seems to really cook and fit in 1141 01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,000 well there, and he did have twenty seven power play points, 1142 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,880 nearly his high as it was for a couple of 1143 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,559 years ago. I think the bottom line is that Batherston 1144 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,400 is not a strong even strength producer, but his power 1145 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280 play numbers basically bring him up to that sixty to 1146 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,840 seventy point range. That's always a little bit worrisome when 1147 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:56,039 you're when maybe your power play spot isn't one hundred 1148 01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:58,679 percent guaranteed with this kind of production, you'd have to 1149 01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,920 think it probably is. And the fact that Norris has 1150 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,159 gone now probably helps him a lot. You have to 1151 01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:06,800 be a little bit worried that maybe he isn't going 1152 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,039 to continue on that top power play and so if 1153 01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:15,840 he doesn't, then I think his points are going to 1154 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,760 really fall off a cliff and so that could be 1155 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,719 really unfortunate. And got cousins there. Now, you got Ka 1156 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,000 Chuck Stuccla, You probably have a spot there, but there's 1157 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,079 some other decent players who might battle him for it, 1158 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,199 and then you could see it really fall off the cliff. 1159 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:35,199 So yes, I love him for the hits and the 1160 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,760 decent production to go along with those great hits, but 1161 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,559 I would consider that production a little bit tenuous, as 1162 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360 a lot of his metrics are a bit over indexed. 1163 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,000 He shoots, he's shooting actually right around his average, which 1164 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,840 is fine, but he does and it actually his PDO 1165 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,480 is a little bit neutral, but his IPP is fairly high. 1166 01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:00,480 For I think the question is are these numbers high 1167 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,840 If he's an elite player, these numbers are not high. 1168 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,559 If Drake Bathurston is an average player, these IPP and 1169 01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,559 powerplay IPP, secondary sists, all these things are very high. 1170 01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,000 I don't necessarily think he's an elite player, and as 1171 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,480 underlying metrics do not suggest he's an elite player. So 1172 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,719 I think he's an average player who's getting a little 1173 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:20,039 bit lucky, and so if that luck runs out a 1174 01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:23,480 little bit, he's probably more of a fifty five is 1175 01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:26,400 point player, and which is still not nothing. But with 1176 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,599 those hits, it's still rosterable, but it's a little less 1177 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:34,159 exciting than the seventy ish point player that we've seen 1178 01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,760 the last couple of seasons or high sixties, And he 1179 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,800 did have that season where he touched seventy eight points, 1180 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,039 And that season was actually really interesting because he did 1181 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,519 not have as many points, but he had more time 1182 01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:48,199 on ice and he had better linemates that he played with. 1183 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,800 So I think that there's still obviously great opportunity here. 1184 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,880 But I would definitely be a little bit worried about 1185 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,320 Bathurston in terms of can he sustain this? Is he 1186 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,800 like a cornerstone of my roster? I'm not sure, Jesse, 1187 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:01,679 what do you think. 1188 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,079 Speaker 3: You raise great points? I wonder not to throw shade 1189 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:11,880 at David Peran and Dylan Cousins. Seems like the Senators 1190 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,760 are investing pretty heavily in him, But I wonder what 1191 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,119 would happen if they got a really exciting left winger 1192 01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:21,840 to go with him. Bathurston is eternally exiled to the 1193 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,800 second line, at least because of the presence of Brady 1194 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,920 Kachuk if they're both playing right wing. But yeah, we'll 1195 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,199 have to see, We'll have to see how all that 1196 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,239 comes together. We certainly will be hearing about that sooner 1197 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,719 than later these guys, So our previews are starting by 1198 01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:42,039 the way, folks in now well under a month. It's 1199 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,559 just a couple weeks away before we start talking about 1200 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,280 our team previews. These teams that we're talking about, these 1201 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,880 teams are actually doing pretty well, except the Canucks, but 1202 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,239 I don't think the Canucks are one of our first couple. 1203 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960 But the team previews are closer than you think. 1204 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 2: Just be prepared. 1205 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,599 Speaker 3: We'll be breaking down everybody in extreme depth with some 1206 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,199 great guests, and not too long, Victor, that's gonna do 1207 01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:09,039 it for my rant about the solely season and anything 1208 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:10,480 else you got to say before we come back and 1209 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,199 close out the show. 1210 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:13,599 Speaker 1: No, not really. 1211 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,280 Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for listening, and we're looking forward to the 1212 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,079 team previews and hopefully you'll join us for all those. 1213 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,079 Beet right back. 1214 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:35,079 Speaker 3: Our shows brought to you by fantracks dot com. 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