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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold,

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Managing editor at The Federalist. Please like and subscribe wherever

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you're definitely going to want to do that today because

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we have a very special episode for you that was

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recorded live at our Federalist Forum in Phoenix, Arizona, with

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our editor in chief at The Federalist, Molly Hemingway, as

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well as one of my newer colleagues, writer Chris Bray. Molly,

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Chris and I dive into some of the biggest news

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of the day and you're not going to want to

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miss it. Without further ado, please welcome to the show,

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Molly and Chris live at the Federalist Forum. Welcome everyone

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to a very very special edition of the Kylie Cast.

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I am Kylie Griswold, Managing editor at The Federalist. If

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we had not had the pleasure of meeting I hope

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I get to meet you this afternoon or this evening.

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And usually I record this weekly podcast for my sad

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little studio all alone with a virtual guest, but today

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I have the pleasure of doing it live and in

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person and in color with my colleagues, Molly Hemingway, who

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you've seen a lot of this weekend, and also Chris Bray,

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who is a writer at The Federalist. He might be

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a newer face to some of you, he's a newer

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face to me, although I have emailed with him quite

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a lot. So I would like to kick this off

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with an introduction about Chris Bray for those of you

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who do not know him yet. But I will just

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say there are very few people that I read every

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single day. There are a lot of people who I

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follow and look too for good news, but there are

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very few that are a daily must read. And long

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before Chris joined us at the Federalist in an official capacity,

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he was one of the few must reads that I had.

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Anytime I got his Substack newsletter in my inbox, it

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was an automatic click. And then, of course we published

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him a lot at the Federalist. Even before he was

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on staff, and I was constantly meekly coming to him

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in my cute little emails saying, Hi, Chris, could we

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please republish this one again because it's great? And that

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was me every week with Chris. So we're so excited

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to have him on board. But Chris is a Californian.

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So Chris, why don't you tell us a little bit

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about that journey and how you came to join our

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crazy team at the Federalist.

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Speaker 2: It's rare to say Chris is California and not hear

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someone say out loud, I'm sorry. I've said to people

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several times this week, I'm from California. I live in

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Los Angeles, and they say, oh, is anyone else here

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from California? Where? Okay, there are all the people's republic. Okay,

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I live in the People's Republic of South Pasadena, where

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our town of twenty seven thousand people has a climate

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action plan and a climate administrator. So if you're ever

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wondering who's in charge of the climate of planet Earth,

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it's me. My town runs that. If you ever find

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yourself in South Pasadena and someone is beating you up

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or robbing you or breaking into your car. You'll find

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that the police, who are actually a really great police

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I love our police department who come racing up a

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few seconds later show up in Tesla's because they are

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not degrading the planet and changing the climate by responding

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to crime. So we have an all Tesla, all electric

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police fleet, and we're very, very proud of that. And

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for some reason we can't ever figure out. This is

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the California story why our city government keeps running out

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of money? Who is Chris Bray? I'm such a dull person,

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and I'm so sorry for that I was writing. I'm

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really grateful to the federalists for this, for what I'm

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about to say. I was writing twenty twenty five years ago.

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York times without starting covering your local water board and

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going to fires. And there was a moment in Claremont, California.

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I was working for the Claremont Courier. I once said

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to Tucker Carlson, I worked at all of the least

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prestigious journalistic organizations in the country, and he said, well,

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I heard sirens and I ran outside and someone had

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and the Claremont police officers, who all knew me, looked

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people tear your head off. If you get things right

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in a small town, people frequently tear your head off.

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really missing in something we've really badly lost, and we

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need to get back to it. And then I started

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writing for other people, and I wrote for Reason Magazine

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for a while. Everyone at the federals it makes fun

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of Reason Magazine. If you saw a Reason Magazine in

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the last election making an argument for the libertarian choice

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for president, each member of the Reason editorial staff, each writer,

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each editor got a paragraph to say who they were

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voting for, so they all had a chance to explain

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why his Libertarians they were voting for Kamala Harris. I

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wrote for a Reason magazine for a while. I stopped

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fitting in. I've just maybe hinted why. I wrote for

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American Conservative for a while, and I saw twenty ish

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years ago my career slide away quietly and just kind

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of disappear. And I suddenly wasn't writing for anyone, and

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nobody ever told me you're not going to write for

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a well, Reason kind of did.

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Speaker 3: Not gonna write for us anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I just it all went away. So I went

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and got a PhD. And I said, academia will be

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a refuge for a free thought where I can say

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whatever I want, and that was also not true. I

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think the army had you think of the army as

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a place where you just have to obey and do

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what you're told. And I thought that the army was

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much more a much more comfortable place for people speaking

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and disagreeing. We used to have like staff sergeant argument

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over politics. I thought it was a much freer organization

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than like UCLA, where I went to grad school. And

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left the Army, I left journalism, I left academia, and

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I said, I have no current identity. I'm a former soldier,

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a former journalist, and a former academic. Maybe one day

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I'll be something else again. And then I started writing

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for a subtect because I saw that there were people

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who were writing for a substack and getting an audience.

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I'm so grateful that there's a place where I can

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speak and I can I can say what I see,

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and I don't get editors saying that's not something we

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really want to say. One of my very last conversations

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was we want a piece from you about how Rampaul

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doesn't believe in science, And I said, Rampaul the surgeon.

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that organization. So I'm so glad to be here.

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Speaker 4: And we were so happy to have Chris with us,

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and his writing is just incredible and you should definitely

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be reading him. But he had a piece I don't

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remember exactly what it was, but he was worried that

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Speaker 3: Little too mean, And I said, I am.

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Speaker 4: So thrilled that I get to tell you one of

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Speaker 3: Not mean enough.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Chris embodies this, but make it meaner, which is

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a very frequent edit. So, so, Chris, you live in California,

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that is, as you made clear. But a lot of

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us now feel like we are living in California because

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California has exported so many of its policies to the

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rest of the country in numerous ways, partly through the

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Californication of America, as we like to call it, of

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just things getting more and more progressive and out of control.

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enhanced by COVID and Gavin Newsom's tyranny of people moving

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from California but then not realizing that the policies that

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they were fleeing from were the same ones that they

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were carrying with them and then still voting for in

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places like Texas and elsewhere. And now, of course through

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Gavin Newsom, the man, the myth of the legend, who

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has very clear presidential aspirations and is on the media

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circuit constantly promoting his ideas. He is no longer California's governor.

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He is America's governor everyone. So you get to see

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his face everywhere. In fact, I don't know if you

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saw him comparing himself this past week, I believe to

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Patrick Bateman, American Psycho, because he said people have long

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said that he looks like him. And it was supposed

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to be Gavin Newsom's you know, Trumpian gag where he

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thinks he's being cute and adorable and you know, like

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that he can replicate the Trump effect by being brash.

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It never lands, though, and so Trump used to say,

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people compare me to Elvis Presley. You know, yeat do

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you do? You guys see it? And so Gavin Newsom

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did that except with American Psycho, which is just a

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little bit different than the King. So anyway, Chris, what

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do you think about Gavin Newsom's prospects as a viable

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candidate for national office? And Mollie you as well.

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Speaker 2: I for years have had readers calling me an idiot

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because I only say only in stories about California, say

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that California Governor Patrick Bateman spoke this week, and people

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of fact checking. Patrick Bateman isn't the governor of California.

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ten years at this point. And I don't mean by

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that what he said when he said that is people

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say I look like Patrick Bateman, people say I'm handsome

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like Christian Bale. No, that's not what we're saying. We're

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saying you're a dangerous, harmful, destructive psychopath like Patrick Bateman.

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of course he took it and said, people are saying

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I'm very handsome, and I admit to it. At some point,

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look up the name Easy Garden gar Don. That's the

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the governor's professionally snarky. Has assembled an entire staff of

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communications people who are very proud of how nasty and

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bitter and mean and snarky they can be. And if

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you if you look up Isy Garden, who does all

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of Gavin Newsom's tough talking, you'll see why that's comical.

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Newsom's Twitter posts or ex post now by saying, good

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good job is he I? Isy Garden is positioning Gavin

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Newsom to be the anti Donald Trump and to be

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the person who tells us how to really govern with

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kindness and decency and strength and to put a stop

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to all of Donald Trump's chaos and stabilize as America.

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And it's such absolute madness. Any portion of that is

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such absolute madness. One of the things that I've been

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doing for years in Los Angeles, and my mother always

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calls me and yells at me as I go walk

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around skid Row or walk around MacArthur Park, and watch

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people pointing guns at each other and dying of drug overdoses,

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and my mother says, what a great way of life

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you've chosen for yourself. There is so much chaos and

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destruction and ruin and pain, deep deep pain in California.

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to present himself as the model that will stabilize America

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and return us to decency kind of fills me with rage.

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I try not to live that way. I try not

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to wake up choking with anger, but I'm so angry

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about it that I can barely sit still. And I

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don't think it's gonna happen. I don't think. I don't

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think Iowa and New Hampshire are going to say, oh,

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Gavin Newsom, we need that. I think he's going to fail,

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but pray that he fails, because you do not want

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him to succeed. You did not want President Kamala Harris.

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You didn't want Secretary of Health and Human Services be Sarah.

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I'm sorry you didn't want Vice President Harris, and you definitely, definitely,

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definitely don't want president Gavin Newsom. And I'll say one

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last thing about this. When Gavin Newsom became the governor

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of California, the California budget was about one hundred and

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forty billion dollars a year. Gavin Newsom did not become

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governor of California that long ago one hundred and forty

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billion dollars a year. The budget in California is now

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almost three hundred and fifty billion dollars a year. We've

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radically increased government spending while infrastructure declines, cities get thtier,

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police response times decline, wildfires get bigger, and we're not

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doing prescribe burns to protect against them. While the state

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is falling apart. Government is spending twice, government is spending

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double and I think you desperately, desperately and went to

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fight against that as a model for the country.

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Speaker 1: We also have what will seem like an eternity between

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now and the twenty twenty eight election, and of course

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a big election between now and then. But you know,

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it seems that the heir apparents as of now. Again

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huge caveat for the parties is Gavin Newsom, or at

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least he wants to be. And Jade Vance and it

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is so funny to even look at who they are

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as people and where they came from. I recently read

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Hillbilly Elegy, and it was just I was way late

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to that game, but it was so awesome to just

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understand more of JD. Vance the man, and where he

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comes from and the way that he so embodies the

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maga ethos and has has become so like Trump. But

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Trump plays the part and he gives voice to Americans

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and you can hell that he really feels their pain.

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But JD. Vance feels their pain. He knows it, He's

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lived it. Uh, he is an appollation, you know he

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gets it. And Gavin Newsom, on the other hand, was

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like lab created in a Petrie dish to be a leftist, smarmy,

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elitist politician. And you just could not have two more

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different different candidates.

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Speaker 2: Say one where you've just triggered something in me. Gavin

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Newsom's communications staff clearly I talked about recently the Federalists

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looking at looking at processes and mistaking them for effects.

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Gavin Newsom's communication staff looked at Donald Trump and said

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he's rude and he's mean, and you know, and he

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speaks without self control and voters like him. So what

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we need to do is and if you read Gavin

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Newsom's social media accounts, he his communications staff there vicious.

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They're insulting, their condescending, They demean people who criticize them.

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They make gay jokes a lot. They constantly if somebody

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says like, I think Gavin Newsom's wrong about people, his

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his communication staff says like, oh, I remember exactly how

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they put it, but that their their darkest, most condescending

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responses is that you must be gay if you're criticizing

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Gavin Newsom. And it's just bizarre. And clearly what they've

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done is they think that being mean is what voters like,

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because Donald Trump is mean, and voters voted for Donald Trump,

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so let's be mean and then voters will like us.

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And they have no capacity at all to see that

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people like when Donald Trump is aggressive and angry and

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nasty to people who who people think deserve it, and

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that there's some merit to it, and that there's some

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reason that Donald Trump would would insult Jim Acosta. So

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they've mistaken all the they've mistaken all the people like

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Donald Trump because he insults people who deserve to be insulted,

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and they instead just think people like Donald Trump because

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he's insulting. Oh, that must be where the culture is.

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So Gavin Newsom, if he wants to be president, should

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insult people a lot. And if you go look at

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Governor Gavin Newsom at x dot com, you will see

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him being insulting into meaning and condescending and nasty, horrible

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and vicious all the time because it's a clever communication strategy.

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Speaker 4: If I can just add to that, you see a

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lot of Republicans go after the left wing media because

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it's just fertile ground to go after them. Recently, Gavin

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Newsom or his communications team, as Chris Bray points out,

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viciously attacked.

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Speaker 3: An award winning.

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Speaker 4: Reporter who covers a lot about California and has covered

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a lot about the Secret Service and just said horrible

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things about her. And it doesn't work for a left

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wing person to attack the media because everybody knows the

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media are by and.

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Speaker 3: Large their closest friends.

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Speaker 4: So it just it it does speak to their inability

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to understand the situation.

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Speaker 3: But I want to I do want to push back

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on a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: One, I actually think the Democrat Party is very hateful

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right now, and hate kind of can be a good strategy,

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and it could be modified for winning the Democrat nomination,

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and it could be modified in a better way, and

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maybe he's like going to learn better how to capitalize

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on this just really negative fervor in the Democrat Party.

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And there's winning the Democrat nomination and then there's winning

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the general and those really are two different things, and

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they're somewhat at odds in that the main Democrat strategy

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for presidential nominees seems to be who's the person who

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is simultaneously left wing and presents as a moderate. So

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you might remember that even like when Barack Obama was running,

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he didn't say I'm going to undermine the country in

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these ways. He said, you know, there's red America bloom

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or no. What was his like, big, here's hope. No,

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Once he was elected, things changed dramatically, but he kind

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of presented as more moderate. Joe Biden, who was barely there,

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let every left wing policy go through under his watch,

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but he he actually spoke to people, to people in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,

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and presented as a moderate. So that's where I actually

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think Gavin Newsom would have bigger trouble, almost would be

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in the general because he struggles there with again another caveat,

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did you ever did you happen to watch the debate

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he did with Ronda Santis And a lot of people said, oh,

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Ronda Santis won, And they said that because Rond de

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Santis on the facts blew him away, like on the

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actual arguments blew him away. But in another way, if

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you watched, he won because he was willing to do

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whatever it took to kind of like get a win

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on a particular question. You saw this even recently with

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the Charlie Kirk thing, when he sat down with Charlie

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Kirk and he praised Charlie Kirk and said that his

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son watched Charlie Kirk. But then when he went on CNN,

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he was like, my son never watched Charlie Kirk. I

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have never seen a politician willing to as brazenly lie.

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And they all lie, I mean not all of them,

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most of them lie as Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go back to some of the

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things Chris said, specifically gay am vicious insults, because that

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gets into my next topic, which is the Pete Bootification,

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Pete Buddha gentrification of the Democrat Party. This is a

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topic that is near and dear to us at the

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Federalists because we don't just cover politics but also religion,

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and so you have written about this, Chris, in the

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form of James Talerico, but it's also something I know

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that Molly as a Christian is something that we cover

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a lot, and the Democrat Party clearly has major cognitive

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dissonance on this issue. And we saw this back during

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the rise of Trump because they couldn't get their stories straight.

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Trump is simultaneously a serial rapist, a racist, the most

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vile and disgusting creature that has ever walked the planet,

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and he was an existential threat to democracy and decency itself.

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But at the same time he was going to usher

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in an era of Christian nationalism and theocracy. Square that circle.

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Speaker 2: I feel like French is with us since.

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Speaker 1: There, yes, he shall not be named David French, and

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so those things do not square. And now well, and

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then we saw Pete Boudhage Edge as sort of you know,

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the original James Tallerico, And now we have James Tallerico.

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And you have people like David French writing about how

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he just he embodies all that is good and decent

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and wonderful about Christianity. You know, these nasty, disgusting mega

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Christians are are are so awful and hateful. But James

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Tallerco Man, that kid's got it, you know. And meanwhile,

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James Tillergo is saying ridiculous things about the number of

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genders there are and that God is non binary, and

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laughing at sexual innuendos about the divine. I mean, just

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just crazy, crazy things. And of course we already knew this,

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but it really just exposes that Christian nationalism is just

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a slur to b to to bully faithful Christians out

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of living out their faith in the public square. But

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what are the dangers here of James Tallerco figure does

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he have a future in the Democrat Party or is

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this just a shick that's going to fizzle out like

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it kind of did with Pete boot to Jedge. I mean,

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what's the play here?

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Speaker 4: I want to make sure everybody understands James tall Rico

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won the Democrat nomination in Texas and the democraphony Jasmin Crockett,

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who is against Jasmine Crockett the Democrat Party. The Democrat

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Party worked really hard to make sure Jasmine Crockett would

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not be the nominee because they believe James Taller Rico

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would have better odds against whoever wins the Republican nomination,

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and for the Republican nomination that's still ongoing because of

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the runoff that they have in Texas, John Cornyn should

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have easily won eighty percent of the vote as the incumbent,

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and he spent untold money to make sure that he

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got eighty percent of the vote and instead of he

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got like thirty seven percent of the vote, but it

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was enough that he's in a runoff with Ken Paxton.

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And so and Ken Paxton I think is it'll be

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you know, it's a race, but I think that a

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lot of people who vote in primaries support Paxton, and

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so that's like James, It'll be James Taller Taller Rico

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against Ken Paxton. And they are now the media are

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now saying James tall Rico is the best Christian who

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ever walked the earth. I mean, I think that was

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like New York Times was treatment of this. This guy

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is great and this is a guy who, when he

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was in the state legislature said that there were six genders.

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I believe he's proudest of his role as as how

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much he has pushed to trans children. He says that

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not only is abortion good, but God wants.

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Speaker 3: You to do it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this guy, in my view, would have trouble

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getting elected in San Francisco. Well maybe not given who's

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elected in the same but the idea that this is

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going to be the guy who turns Texas.

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Speaker 3: Blue is really hard for me to stomach.

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Speaker 2: Let's link a bunch of themes, because, by the way,

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it's really hard. When I said I was coming here

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this weekend, my daughter said that my daughter is a teenager,

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as will become immediately apparent. I said, you know, I'm

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going to a conservative conference where I talk about the politics.

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She said, oh, that'll be very exciting for you to

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talk about politics all weeknd. So it's very hard for

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me to sit in the back of the room and

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watch all the other panels.

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Speaker 5: Speaker.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to speak.

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Speaker 2: The topic of information ops. One of the things I

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suggest you go look at. Google has a page called

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Google Trends, and when you see something when you feel

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like there's something that you've never heard about before, and

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suddenly everybody's talking about it. I went looking for example,

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sitting in the back corner today and one of the

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examples I found was illegal orders. Donald Trump is an

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illegitimate commander in chief. The orders he gives the military

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or illegitimate and illegal, and the military shouldn't obey him.

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If you look for Trump illegal orders. There's suddenly a

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day if you search the last six months where no

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one has ever I've talked about it ever once, and

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suddenly it spikes to tens of millions of searches a day.

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You see things that nobody is talking about that suddenly,

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in a coordinated way, the whole country is obsessed with

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and they switch on, and they run for a week

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and then they die. You can watch things like it's

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someone is pull testing these things and seeing how is

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this going, and then they suddenly switch off. When you

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see something that you've never seen spoken about, go look

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on Google trends and you can see it switch on.

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James tall Rico a very few years ago started saying,

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you don't want to trans your sons, you don't want

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to castright your sons and call them your daughters. How

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deeply unfortunate. What if I told you that God wants

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you to castrate your sons and call them your daughters.

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What if I told you I'm a seminarian in his thirties.

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By the way, he signed up for the seminary. He

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had never actually shown any interest in religion, and suddenly

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is he He's running for Senate. He's a seminarian, although

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he's currently I find this fascinating on leave from the seminary.

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He's pretending to be a religious scholar. And he suddenly

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started saying a few years ago like, well, actually, Jesus

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never spoke about abortion because the Bible doesn't impose abortion

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transff abortion stuff. God imposes no judgment on homosexuality. But

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God judges Ken Paxton for cheating on his wife. If

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you look at James tall Rico's campaign speeches, James tall

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Rico at YouTube has archived all his campaign speeches in

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twenty seventeen, in twenty eighteen, in twenty nineteen, he was

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speaking constantly, never using any religious language at all. He

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never mentioned being a Christian, he never mentioned this is

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my faith. He never said God is telling you to

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abort your children. There was clearly suddenly a moment where

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he said, what if we tried the gods thing? What

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if we tried to sell this with some Jesus stuff

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on it? And he started doing that tactically. And the

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sudden emergence go look at Google trends, the sudden arrival

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of a moment where literally everyone the Wall Street Journal

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had a headline that said, you know, Texas enthused by

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religious scholar James tell Rico. This sudden moment when everyone

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switched on James tell Rico as a Bible scholar is

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absolutely a coordinated information off and it's totally ridiculous. And

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you can go look at video of James tell Rico

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speaking just a few years ago, never mentioned any of it.

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Speaker 1: One of the interesting James Tellerco comments that he made

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that I forgot about till this moment was on Joe

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Rogan and this is one of the older ones when

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he first started doing his media circuit, and his take

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on the incarnation of Christ was that it's act visually

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pro abortion because the angel appears to marry and asks

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for her consent before she conceives the Messiah. Just a crazy,

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crazy take. But another clip of James Tellerico that I

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would like to discuss, which also gets into some more

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of your coverage, Chris, and just our broader coverage at

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the Federalist, is that he was recently asked who he

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loves besides his family, who does he love most, and

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his answer was that he loves the trans children. Those

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that is, who he loves the most in the whole world, and.

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Speaker 4: He shows that love by supporting their permanent sterilization and

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cutting off of healthy body parts.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but as James tellerco is pushing this direction, the

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rest of the country, or at least eighty percent, is

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pushing the other direction, including many many people who formerly

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identified as transgender and have since blown the whistle on

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the destructive, demonic lie that that is, and have desisted

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from their transgender identity to an identity that is in

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line with who they were created to be that actually

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enhances their human flourishing and whatnot. And Chris, you wrote

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a piece about the rates of this desistance from transgender ideology.

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Can you just speak to the momentum behind this and

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kind of what's happening within the transgender movement at large.

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Speaker 2: I keep saying, all of these questions are really about

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five or six themes at the same time, and this

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one is too. And if you're looking at California and

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thinking everyone in California is insane, there is a parent

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in California named Aaron Friday whose daughter came to her

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when she was like thirteen years old and said, I

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was born in the wrong body. I'm actually boy. And

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Aaron Friday said, no, you're not, You're a girl. And

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then they argued about it for years while her daughter

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was a teenager. And then her daughter turned eighteen and said, yeah,

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I'm a girl. And there is a growing body of

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research that says if you just leave trans kids alone,

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in a few years, they just stop. What's the world?

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Consider doing nothing? Consider doing nothing. I'm actually I was

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born in the wrong body. I'm actually a boy. You're

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not going to do anything about that. You're not going

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to take hormones, we're not going to do surgery. Just

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wait a few years. If you just do that, it stops.

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And there's been a bunch of studies about that. Somewhere

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between seventy five and ninety percent of children just stop.

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If you're hopeless about California, and you probably mostly should be,

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But if you're hopeless about California. We had a legislative hearing.

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The California legislator legislature still every single year bangs through

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a bunch of bills about how wonderful it is for

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children to transition. And they have a bunch of trans

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kids bills this year. And all of the people who

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spoke up in opposition, who showed up at this legislative

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hearing to speak in opposition were young men and women

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who had formally identified as trans children, who talked about

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how much pain they are in and how much they're suffering,

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and why did you let one of them is the

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term barbarian? Why did you let these barbarians do this

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to my body? Why did you cut my body? When

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I was thirteen years old and I told you I

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was born in the wrong body? Why didn't you tell

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me no, you weren't. And California has this very strange

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legislative process. The Calfrina legislature is a full time legislature

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that typically passes between one thousand and twelve hundred bills

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every year. If you think about that, like, how does

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anyone even comply with twelve hundred new laws every year?

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So they have this legislative process where they allow up

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to four minutes of testimony on each bill in committee

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hearings up to four minutes, and then they have what

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are called me twos where they allow groups to come

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up and say a name, an organization name, and a position.

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John Smith Coalition for the Family opposed. And when they

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had the legislative hearing on all the trans Kids bill,

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the long line of me toos were Jessica Harris, Black

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Lesbians of Los Angeles strongly opposed, the LGB Alliance of

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00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:47,760
Oakland strongly opposed. All of the opponents for probably forty

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or fifty people marching up to the microphone and saying

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stop doing this to children were leftists from Los Angeles,

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San Francisco, Oakland and most do you know what a

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turf is? If I say turfs, trf, trans exclusionary, radical feminists,

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00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:13,079
the people in California who are opposing the lunatic, crazy, psychopathic?

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How many more adjectives can I add? Legislators insane trans

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agenda are mostly on the left, mostly from Los Angeles

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and San Francisco, and mostly gay and mostly lesbians. There

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is a strong, strong, strong opposition to trans madness. Scoring

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the LGB is breaking with the t and I actually

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think it's one of the ways that California might show

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us ways forward where we can find things where there

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are people we mostly don't agree with who we could

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talk to in ninety five times out of one hundred

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we would disagree with them. But there are people who

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are radically, radically opposed to most of what you believe.

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Who if you say to them, should we be cutting

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healthy body parts off thirteen year olds to affirm their gender,

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We'll link arms with you and fight against that with

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all their heart and go look at the community that

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is a rising of left wing They're all democrats of

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left wing parent activists in California who we're saying to

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the California government, you have to stop this.

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Speaker 5: Why is home sales hit the slowest pace in four years?

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608
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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's worth pointing out, speaking of

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information ops, how much this issue was in many ways

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an information op where many years ago some people started

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saying that you had to affirm delusional identities. And I

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remember when the BLM riots started, the people in my neighborhood,

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which is extremely democrat, they wanted to join with BLM,

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and so they were talking about ways to do it

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on the neighborhood list serve. So I looked up the

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BLMS website and on the BLM website they listed what

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their goals were, and one of them was to defund

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the police, but the other ones actually had nothing to.

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Speaker 3: Do with that.

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Speaker 4: It was like to support Palestinians in their liberation movement

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against Israel. Another was to destroy the Nuclear family, and

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another was to help out people, particularly people of color. Well,

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what happens after the riots the riots occur, the media

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join in corporations, joined in corporations transferred one hundred bill

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yon with the B dollars to the BLM movement and

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it's approved causes. And one of those, one of the

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main recipients of that one hundred billion dollar transfer of

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wealth was for transactivists. So when you think, like we

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all know men or men and women or women and

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00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,039
mentioned and play in women's sports, we all know it, right, Like,

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how does society adopt something so delusional? And partly it's

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through highly funded orchestrated, coordinated campaigns. I just want to

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make a mention here that after Trump won, a lot

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of corporations who had participated in all of the Democrat activism,

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we're asking to meet with Sean and me for various things.

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So they would and then they'd say, we just want

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you to know we're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 3: And the Claremont.

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Speaker 4: Institute had put out a database showing precisely which companies

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gave which money.

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Speaker 3: So you're whoever you're meeting.

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Speaker 4: With, Facebook, YouTube, met at whatever, you know, you just

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look them up and you see, okay, well you gave ohow, you.

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Speaker 3: Gave one hundred and ten million dollars to the left.

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Speaker 4: Which groups on the right are going to get that funding?

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And they're like, oh no, no, no, we're not we're not.

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We're not We're not giving money. We're just not gonna

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give any more money to the left. It's like, so

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you don't, really, you didn't. Actually, you know, nothing here matters.

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But the corporate control of some of these left wing

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movements and institutions and funding is serious.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well and through.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you've just reminded me. This will be really quick.

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You've just reminded me of the demands the UTLA, the

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United Teachers of Los Angeles, the teachers union in the

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LA Unified School District. The demands they issued when the

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school board said we should go back to in person

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school during the pandemic. Has anyone read those They're still online,

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you can find them. They're glorious. They said, we will

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return to the classroom when there are no more police

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in America, when everyone has a home provided by the government,

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when we have single payer healthcare. It went on and

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on and on and on the way that organizations hijack.

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We're here to represent the interests of our students. For example,

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we want no more police department and socialized medicine.

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Speaker 1: Well, aside from BLM, another huge player in that was

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the Human Rights Campaign. Corporate Equity Index where basically they

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would bully corporations into supporting trans trans ideology by giving

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them a low score or a high score, depending on

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how equitable are you going to be. And this year

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or over the past year, we've seen so many corporations

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jump ship and they're no longer worried about their Corporate

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Equity Index score, which is a good sign also where

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things are moving. You mentioned the media as well, the

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media just playing a huge role in this through language manipulation,

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which is another reason why our language accuracy is so important.

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But when all of your coverage of this issue uses

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terms like gender affirming care and ironically you know, in

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addition to pronouns and such, or referring to transgender medical

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interventions as treatment, or you know, just these these euphemisms

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for bodily destruction and castration of children. And now you're

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seeing the tide turn where you have major establishment medical

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organizations like the American Medical Association and others that have

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really backtracked. Now where I mean, they haven't gone far enough,

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because this hasn't been completely abolished and exposed as the

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evil that it is. But to say we no longer

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recommend a surgical mutilation of minors. So I mean it's

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it's not enough, but the tide is clearly turning in

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that direction. And in your peace, Chris, I think you

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mentioned was it seventy percent of the people who have

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identified as transgender within a certain age group. It was

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teenage girls I think desisted within five years. So if

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you just let you just let children go through natural puberty,

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they will more likely than not, far more likely than

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not live in a way that corresponds with their natural sex.

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Speaker 2: The a MA just is anybody a doctor or a nurse.

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I think the struggle that's happening inside medicine are about

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transgender medicine is becoming really interesting and really important, and

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I'm trying to watch it as closely as i can.

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Last month, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons released a

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guidance document that said, there is no evidence to support

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the the gender affirmation of children. There's no evidence to

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say that this is a good idea, and we recommend

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that plastic surgeons stop participating in these procedures. And the

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AMA just like this week released his statements saying, oh,

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we don't have anything to do with that. So there

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is I think there are doctors who've gone along with it.

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There if I say the name Aiton Haim, does that

714
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mean anything to anyone? Iiton Ham was a doctor in Texas,

715
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,840
a surgical resident at Texas Children's Hospital who gave a

716
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,719
bunch of documents with patient names redacted to Christopher Rufo

717
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,760
Texas Children's Hospital said Oh, we're not doing these procedures anymore.

718
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We've stopped, and and Ititon Haim gave Christopher Ruffo a

719
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bunch of documents showing that they had not stopped, that

720
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they were implanting surgically implanting hormone devices in children. And

721
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he was prosecuted by the Biden administration.

722
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Speaker 4: And speaking of prosecution, I don't think I think it's

723
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great that so many people are turning away from the

724
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trans insanity and radical gender ideology. That's a wonderful thing.

725
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It is also true that there are monsters out there

726
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who permanently harmed children. And until those people are true

727
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I mean, I mean this, they should be put in

728
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prison for what they did. And so changing the tide

729
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:33,039
on this is not sufficient. There need to be repercussions

730
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for these people who ever thought that what they were

731
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doing was in any way okay, And anyone who supported them,

732
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so more.

733
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Speaker 1: Yes, more more accountability. One thing I think that has

734
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,800
helped and that will continue to help hopefully with accountability

735
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,119
as well, isative Conservatives have gotten a lot better at

736
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telling the stories of people who have been harmed by this.

737
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You know, Molly talked earlier about the glossy spreads of

738
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and all the human interest stories that just give such

739
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,960
lovely color to these Democrat activists. They always have a

740
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,679
story cued up that will tug on your heart strings

741
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,760
and you know, help push their cause forward. And we

742
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have the facts because we know xx and x y chromosomes,

743
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and you know, we know that men are men and

744
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,840
women are women. But we have so many more stories

745
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,079
now that illustrate the very real human harms. It's one

746
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,400
thing to know biological facts. It's another thing to stare

747
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,880
death and destruction in the face and see what has

748
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,480
actually happened as a result of this. And we've done

749
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:36,639
a really good job at the Federalists two of promoting

750
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,400
these stories. We had Chloe Cole on the Kylie Cast

751
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,280
a few weeks ago, which was awesome, and she she

752
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,519
got to share her story not only of how she

753
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:50,360
was preyed upon by the medical establishment and ushered into horrible,

754
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,559
horrible trans interventions that ruined many parts of her life.

755
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But then also how she became a Christian and was

756
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,519
pulled out of that, I mean, just a gloriously redemptive story.

757
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,519
And Vault Higher has been publishing pieces at the Federalist

758
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,199
and ringing the alarm bells on this, I mean, long

759
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before it became the craze that it is today, and

760
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so we just we've done a great job of showing

761
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the human harmss.

762
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Speaker 4: I'm really glad that we have shown those stories, those

763
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human interest stories, and it's also important, i think, for

764
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people to understand that the modern conception of men and

765
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,199
women is just wrong in every way, and so helping

766
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,400
people see how feminism has kind of incepted so many

767
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,679
different parts of our lives in ways that are very

768
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,480
damaging for both men and women is another thing that

769
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I'm really pleased that we've been able to do and explain.

770
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We joke sometimes, Gosh, there's like a publication that says

771
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,239
its motto is standing a thwart History, subtly suggesting that

772
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,840
you slow down or something like that, and we joke

773
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,679
that ours is standing a thwart history, saying men and

774
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,159
women are different. Men and women are different, and that's

775
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,679
a good thing. So much of what you get in

776
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,880
modern media is pitting men against women, making them enemies

777
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,480
of each other, teaching them to be victims, teaching them

778
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,159
to be, you know, just to be just to hate

779
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:12,079
each other. And instead we try to really highlight how

780
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,480
males and females are beautiful and complimentary and should work

781
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,920
together in great ways, and you know, primarily through marriage,

782
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but also in many other ways as well.

783
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Speaker 2: All right, link taking a bunch of things and linking

784
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them together.

785
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: Yet again, we'll name that. We'll name your next podcast.

786
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,639
Speaker 2: Then, James tell Erico, I think he was doing the

787
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,639
Joe Rogan. No, No, he was talking to the Bulwark.

788
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,239
He's talking to that eddiot, Tim Miller.

789
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: The bulwark.

790
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Speaker 4: I thought you said the borg, and I'm now thinking

791
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,159
I might always called the bulwark the borg.

792
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:53,199
Speaker 2: And they started talking about the bill that tell Rico

793
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,000
spoke on the floor of the house and he said

794
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,760
that you know, God wants you to stop bullying trans kids.

795
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God wants you to transition to your children and cut

796
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,280
off their healthy body parts. And he said, you know,

797
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,840
people are very upset by that speech. But I gave

798
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,239
that speech because I was standing on the floor of

799
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:18,320
the Texas House and standing up to the extremists. That

800
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,039
bill passed, the bill he opposed, passed by a substantial majority.

801
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,079
So when James tallerco says extremist, he means mainstream. He

802
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:33,159
means the majority of the society, the majority of the legislature,

803
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,880
the majority of parents, the majority of the population. When

804
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,280
he talks about the respectable mainstream, the decent people, he's

805
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,280
talking about like twenty percent of the country. Rasmussen did

806
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,199
a poll in California. We have an ongoing battle in

807
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:51,800
California over parental notification policies that if a child at

808
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,119
a K through twelve school goes to a teacher and says,

809
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,880
I'm not going to use my boy name anymore. I'm

810
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,440
going to use a girl name. I was born in

811
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,000
the wrong body, and I want you to address me

812
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,800
by my girl name and change my pronouns. But I'm

813
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,440
not out to my parents's transgender So if I don't

814
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want you to tell them. The state's policy course was

815
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to protect was to They called it a the prevention

816
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:18,760
of forced outing. They wanted to prevent the forced outing

817
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of children by keeping secrets from parents and having teachers

818
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and school administrators and school counselors have secret sexually themed

819
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discussions with their twelve year olds on campus without telling parents,

820
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because that's decent and kind and affirming and gentle and loving.

821
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Hiding things from parents is is very kind, and eighty percent,

822
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,880
eighty plus percent of the population in California thinks that's insane.

823
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Eighty plus percent of the population in California that has

824
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voted for a super majority in both houses of the

825
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,840
state legislature thinks that parental notification policy are absolutely necessary

826
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and that the state's policy course the state government they elected,

827
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is completely insane.

828
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Speaker 1: There's a word for what you described, Chris, and it

829
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rhymes with dooming, and we can't use it because we

830
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,800
have been censored for using it at the federalists before.

831
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There's a word for conditioning children to keep sexual secrets

832
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from their parents and to only go to a different

833
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,360
trusted adult. And now that's just happening every day in

834
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our government funded schools, taxpayer funded schools. So we've talked

835
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a bit this weekend already about Kermit Gosnell and his death,

836
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but one thing I would like to sort of draw

837
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out from that because Molly, you mentioned just the differences

838
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between the sexes, and that is something that we have,

839
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so we cover it so much and so well. And

840
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I think one thing that we're seeing now, you know,

841
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you can look at the Kermit Gosnell case, his many

842
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,039
sins and crimes, and see how gruesome and horrible and

843
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:11,159
harmful they were for both women and children and just

844
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,079
humanity at large. And I forget who referred to it

845
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,239
as the House of Horrors, but I know that.

846
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Speaker 3: The grand jury the report was called.

847
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Speaker 1: That, okay, And I think our modern day house of

848
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,880
horrors is in many ways the big fertility industry that

849
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480
I think even so many people who identify as part

850
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:33,480
of the right have sort of bought into this because

851
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,639
it's easy to kid yourself into thinking that being pro

852
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,639
life and pro family means being pro commodifying children and

853
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,039
creating life at all costs, no matter what the drawbacks are.

854
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,480
And our colleague Jordan Boyd, who is not here now,

855
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:52,199
but she has done such an excellent, excellent job being

856
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,039
at the forefront of pointing out all of the many

857
00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:00,320
ways that big fertility and artificial reproductive technologies have have

858
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,360
been a catastrophe for women and children and families. So, Molly,

859
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,559
can you just speak to some of our coverage of

860
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,079
that and how it's like the Kurmit Godsnel House of horrors.

861
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 4: Well, I think this is some of the most difficult

862
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,840
stuff that we've had to do, is talk about this

863
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,519
because everybody understands the pain.

864
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,639
Speaker 3: Like, let's say you want to have children and you're

865
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,840
unable to have children.

866
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: That is a deep grievous pain borne by men and women,

867
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,760
and so people want to solve that, and so they

868
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,079
love to learn that there are all these things you

869
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,039
can do so that you can procure children even if

870
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,079
your body is limited in some way.

871
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: Well, there are all sorts of ethical issues in play.

872
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,360
There are all sorts of things that people should also

873
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,719
be considering. At the same time, the technology has.

874
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,519
Speaker 4: Way outpaced our ethical discussions of these things, and so

875
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,280
getting people to think about okay, So, for instance, you

876
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,320
know one of our senior contributors, Katie Faust, who has

877
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,920
a group called Them Before Us, which encourages people to

878
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,119
think about children more than the adults who are trying

879
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,920
to procure children. And one of the things we talked

880
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,559
about recently was someone I can't remember who on staff

881
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,480
was talking about this, but learning from someone who places

882
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,599
children for adoption that someone really wanted to help this

883
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,320
couple get a baby, and the director of the adoption

884
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,679
clinic reminded her, our job is to help find healthy

885
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,119
homes for the children that we're placing. It's the children

886
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,679
who were serving. Just because you want something doesn't mean

887
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,719
you can do whatever it takes to obtain that thing.

888
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,519
And so let's say you decide that you're going to

889
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,280
use a surrogate. So normally the way that that happens

890
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,400
is you pay a woman in another country thirty thousand

891
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,079
dollars or something to gestate a baby who has been

892
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:54,960
artificially inseminated with unknown, you know, biological content, and that

893
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,400
womanestates the baby, and then you take the baby from

894
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,519
the mother immediately, and then you bring them bring that baby,

895
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,440
you know, into your home. Does that not raise already

896
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,480
some issues you should be thinking about this? Is this

897
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,920
proper to use this woman's body for payment in this way?

898
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,079
Is that really proper?

899
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,679
Speaker 3: Or when I don't know?

900
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,559
Speaker 4: There are all sorts of things that we have published

901
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,840
that I'm proud of, including the children who are the

902
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,760
product of some assisted reproductive technology. It affects children in

903
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,199
ways that. I don't think people always think about not

904
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,360
knowing who the parent, who one or both of your

905
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,880
parents are. Knowing that your parents were willing to pay

906
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,920
money to get you actually kind of changes the relationship

907
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,239
between parents and children. And so we understand these are

908
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,480
difficult issues, and we certainly you know, but we want

909
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,079
to have a conversation about it because they're not getting

910
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,639
that conversation elsewhere.

911
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,159
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think one of the difficult things is

912
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,480
that public opinion on this issue. People have not thought

913
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:59,280
through these issues much, if at all, and certainly not well.

914
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,719
So a lot of the messaging that you're getting from it,

915
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,360
even on the right, is from baby good.

916
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 3: So therefore whatever we do to get that baby is good.

917
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: Correct. Correct. So you know, it's not feasible politically or

918
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,880
otherwise to you know, ban surrogacy or to ban IVF

919
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,079
broadly in America. But how do we help the administration

920
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,840
understand what's at stake this with this issue? You know,

921
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,039
how do we move the ball forward on this? And

922
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:30,679
you know, it's hard. It's a chicken or the egg

923
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,119
thing because we want, we want the law to be this,

924
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,320
but it can't be this because not enough people believe it,

925
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,760
and yet at the same time, the law is what

926
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,320
helps condition people's consciences to understand what is wrong with

927
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,880
this issue. So so is there more that we can

928
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,559
be doing at the federalist and how can we, you know,

929
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:47,480
really help people understand this issue better?

930
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think absolutely.

931
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 4: It's educating the public about some of the things they

932
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,880
should be thinking about when they use different technologies is

933
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,840
first and foremost.

934
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,079
Speaker 3: You need you need to do that.

935
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,079
Speaker 4: We also publicly apply pressure to the Trump administration to

936
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,039
think about these things as well. The thing I'm thinking

937
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,000
about more than anything right now is that most abortions

938
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:10,239
actually take place through I always get the pronunciation wrong

939
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:14,360
MEFI pristone. These like telemedicine, like you can go take

940
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,119
a medicine quote unquote medicine. You can go take a

941
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:22,199
pill to abort your child. It has horrific consequences for

942
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,320
a lot of the women involved, and there's no medical

943
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,440
supervision of it of any kind. And the Trump administration

944
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,199
is kind of doing a couple things about it, but

945
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,840
not really and they're very slow walking. So we put

946
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,800
a lot of pressure on it. I actually ran into

947
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,559
a high level person at AHHS at the White House

948
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,840
same meeting earlier this week. We had a lovely conversation

949
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and I was commiserating with them about some of the

950
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:46,519
problems that they're dealing with they're at AHHS, and then

951
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,440
I was like, we are watching you on the mepha pristone,

952
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000
like we know you're not wanting to do what you

953
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:53,679
should be doing.

954
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: And I think that's important too.

955
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely feels like a three steps forward, two

956
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,039
steps back type of issue. And I know the Ethics

957
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,559
and Public Policy Center came out with an excellent and

958
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,800
rigorous report this year about these adverse effects. Because you know,

959
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,760
the drug label on mifipristoe will say, oh, fewer than

960
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,679
you know, zero point five percent of women had these

961
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,000
adverse effects or whatever the number is. And this Ethics

962
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,199
and Public Policy Center study, which is like the most

963
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,440
rigorous study that's been done on this, showed that more

964
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,000
than one in ten women who take abortion pills suffer

965
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,760
an adverse event within forty five days of taking these pills,

966
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,360
which is serious things like sepsis, hemorrhaging, you know, very

967
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,440
very serious things. And that that's twenty two times higher

968
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,039
than what the drugs label says. And you talked about

969
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,480
not having restrictions on these. That was thanks to the

970
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:51,159
Biden administration, which under cover of COVID dramatically reduced the

971
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:55,079
in person requirements for these things. So if a woman

972
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:58,159
has an ectopic pregnancy and doesn't know it because she

973
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,480
doesn't see a provider in person, which is the only

974
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,119
way to diagnose whether you have that or not, she

975
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,760
may bleed out if she takes abortion drugs and they

976
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,320
are just dispensing them, even to pro life states that

977
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,800
have outlawed abortion through the mail. It's really a catastrophic issue,

978
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,880
and I don't even think people understand the scale that

979
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,559
this is happening. And it's also enabling abusive partners and

980
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:23,599
such too. I mean, we've seen multiple instances of men

981
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:27,760
ordering abortion pills unbeknownst to the woman carrying their child,

982
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,760
and then them essentially poisoning her to abort the mborn child.

983
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,840
It's really crazy. Molly, what we're gonna say?

984
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: No, I wanted to say something happy, because this is

985
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,159
also sad. I noticed you look different, Kylie. Is there

986
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:41,400
anything you wanted to tell us?

987
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: I have put on a little bit of weight. Yes,

988
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,639
I've also added a Y chromosome. It's so funny because

989
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:53,599
I'm expecting a child, my first child, which is very

990
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,559
exciting because and you used to have to wait a

991
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,239
long time to find out the sex of the child,

992
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:01,039
if that was something that you wanted to do. Well, Now,

993
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:03,800
through blood work, you can find out very early. And

994
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,559
it's detected by whether or not the mother has a

995
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,760
Y chromosome present in her blood because the blood, you know,

996
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,280
kind of mixes with the mother's blood or whatever.

997
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:11,679
Speaker 2: I don't know.

998
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist, but so I am anti trans

999
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,480
but I do. I am a woman with a Y

1000
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:20,760
chromosome in my body right now who I'm having a

1001
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,280
little boys.

1002
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,719
Speaker 2: So, yes, you used to have to wait until your

1003
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,559
child was old enough to announce pronouns ah yes, yes

1004
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:29,079
to find out that. Let me just say one thing

1005
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:32,239
about that, which is that I think what's really striking

1006
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,440
to me is how much politics doesn't work as a

1007
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,719
way of debating things that are important and soci I

1008
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,519
was deeply concerned about the war and I Ran I

1009
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,400
thought there was a debate that needs to be had

1010
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,440
and a discussion that needed to be had about why

1011
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,760
are we going to war with Iran? How's it going

1012
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,639
to work? So the Senate had a debate, and I

1013
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,920
watched like eight hours of it, and at the end

1014
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,840
of eight hours of the Senate debating the war, I thought, like,

1015
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,639
it would really been great to have a debate about

1016
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,280
the war at some point, Like I think the headline

1017
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,239
that we ended up with compliments of Joy Pullman was

1018
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,000
old men yell at clouds. And I think, over and

1019
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,320
over and over again, when you do when you try

1020
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,719
to talk about very difficult things like surrogacy, if you

1021
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,679
try to manage that through like congressmen talking to each other,

1022
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:27,519
you're doomed and you're not going to get anywhere if

1023
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,480
you try to manage that through fair and open debate

1024
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,360
in the New York Times, like I watch the trans

1025
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,679
the trans kids at the legislative hearing in California talk

1026
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:41,000
about how much pain they're in and how much their

1027
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,159
bodies have been hurt, and then if you read the

1028
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:48,400
news coverage of it, it's like far right transphobes take

1029
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:54,760
over legislative hearing. We increasingly the more difficult and the

1030
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,039
more important a topic is, the more we just literally

1031
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:01,039
can't talk about it in politics or in media. And

1032
01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:04,599
I think the place where these problems are going to

1033
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,000
be solved where it's going to matter, because there's no

1034
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,840
way we're going to solve them in politics. Is in

1035
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,679
homes and communities and families and in culture, long before

1036
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:17,159
we ever get to politics, Because if you get to

1037
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,079
politics to debate what is a child and what is

1038
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,800
the value of a child's life? If you have the

1039
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,360
discussion first in Congress, you're already doomed.

1040
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, And I want to take that one step

1041
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,760
further because I had a couple of awesome conversations with

1042
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,199
some of you, and even this morning, one of you

1043
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,320
leaned over to me at breakfast and said, how are

1044
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,960
you all so positive? How are you all so optimistic?

1045
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,159
And you know, because we have been talking about lots

1046
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,119
of horrible things that have happened in this country. And

1047
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,079
I sat there for a second and immediately knew the

1048
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,679
answer is that because most of us on staff are Christians,

1049
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:54,800
and so our hope is not actually in politics, it's

1050
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
actually not here. And that's another thing that we try

1051
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,239
to do with the Kylie Cast is really really pull

1052
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,320
religion into the conversation because there are many things that

1053
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,360
can marginally help, and we fight the good fight, and

1054
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,039
we're gonna call out The New York Times and we're

1055
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,159
gonna say what's true, and we're gonna, you know, do

1056
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:11,320
what we are called to do, which is to to

1057
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,480
be courageous and to fight lies with truth and whatnot.

1058
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,239
But at the end of the day, our hope is

1059
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,760
not here, and I think that's why we can be

1060
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,159
so optimistic. So it certainly doesn't start in Congress. It

1061
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,000
does start in the family, and it also starts and

1062
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,719
knowing where your hope is and it's it is not

1063
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:26,599
in politicians.

1064
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: I love that you said that kindly is why we

1065
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,719
don't despair, but it's also why we understand that our

1066
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,639
vocations right now are to try to make the world

1067
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:38,000
a better place, to try to save the country, and

1068
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:40,039
we do what we can and where you know, we

1069
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:41,519
wake up every day and do it and we.

1070
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: Are pretty joyful about it.

1071
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,519
Speaker 4: I like that we have a good positive attitude as

1072
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,639
we as we fight these fights, because if we didn't

1073
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,320
have hope, if we didn't have, you know, the hope

1074
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,360
that we're talking about that we have in Jesus, it

1075
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,079
would be really depressing. I mean, it would be really sad.

1076
01:02:57,159 --> 01:02:59,440
So I'm glad that many of us have I mean,

1077
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,119
not everyone.

1078
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: But yes, I was talking to Carly in this morning too,

1079
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,119
and I said that the Lord is working even when

1080
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:08,280
Congress isn't, So that is a great hope to us. Yes,

1081
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,599
so we are almost out of time, So I just

1082
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:12,119
I want to get to a couple more things before

1083
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,360
we wrap here. One is the Supreme Court, Molly, you

1084
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,440
brought up the birthright citizenship case that is being heard.

1085
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,920
I would love to know what other cases you're watching,

1086
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,320
what you think is most important this term. And then

1087
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,639
I want to talk about your new book.

1088
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 3: Well, I really just want to talk about the new book.

1089
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: The new book.

1090
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,119
Speaker 4: I do want to say on the birthright citizenship case,

1091
01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:34,079
I'm super excited about this one because this is an

1092
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,360
issue that I don't think people really thought about it all.

1093
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,079
They just assumed if you're born in this country, you're

1094
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:39,639
a citizen.

1095
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,519
Speaker 3: Case closed.

1096
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 4: And there's never really been any hearing about this before

1097
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:49,039
the Supreme Court, and there's never been any originalist discussion

1098
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,159
of the meaning of the fourteenth Amendment. That's never of

1099
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:56,320
that part of the fourteenth Amendment that deals with birthright citizenship.

1100
01:03:56,679 --> 01:04:00,440
So for the first time in history, on Wednesday going

1101
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:05,079
to hear we're going to hear arguments about whether because

1102
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:08,519
you were born here, you are even if your parents

1103
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:11,920
are allegiant to a foreign country, whether that makes you

1104
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,800
a citizen. And I think that's a big one. There

1105
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,719
are so many cases hitting the court this year. They

1106
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,559
normally hear about eighty cases a year, so it's actually

1107
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,239
been a little bit less than that annually, and so

1108
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,440
much of it is about emergency petitions because these lower

1109
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,519
courts are.

1110
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: Trying to.

1111
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: The main strategy of Democrats for the second Trump term

1112
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,800
is through law fair and you have a to they

1113
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,760
can shop for which judge they want to hear a case,

1114
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:44,719
and that judge can issue a nationwide injunction. Now, there

1115
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,800
was the ruling last year that handed down from the

1116
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,400
Court that that actually was not appropriate, but it had

1117
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:54,320
loopholes you could kind of drive a truck through. I

1118
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,599
will point out that Justice Alito had made that point.

1119
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 3: That the loopholes were large. Seeing that this year at

1120
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,480
the loopholes are large, You're.

1121
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 4: Continuing to see these nationwide injunctions and you will continue

1122
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,840
to see those coming down. There are a lot of

1123
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,199
interesting cases dealing with the Voting Rights Act, and you know,

1124
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:16,480
we've already had some interesting stuff on hiding things from parents.

1125
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,199
You know, that have gone well. The court is interesting.

1126
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,559
Speaker 3: It's not you know.

1127
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:23,639
Speaker 4: I know, people get frustrated with the Court, but the

1128
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:26,679
rulings by and large are so much.

1129
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: Better than they were forty years ago.

1130
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,519
Speaker 4: And with the Alito book, I had written a book

1131
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:35,679
with Carrie Savarina on Justice Kavanaugh. And while I was

1132
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:39,679
writing that book, everyone in everyone like I respected who

1133
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,800
I was talking to. They would say, you know, Alito

1134
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,599
is the best one. And it's funny because you never

1135
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:48,840
hear about Alito. You always heard about Scalia. You definitely

1136
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,679
hear about Thomas. We know Kavanaugh from the hearings. We

1137
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:56,079
know Amy Cony Barrett, she's recent. We even know Justice Gorsich,

1138
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:58,920
although he's a Trump. Of the three Trump appointees, he's

1139
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,559
probably the least well known. You know Chief Justice John Roberts,

1140
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,920
You know Sonya Soda, my Orn, Kaitanji Brown Jackson, and

1141
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:06,519
Alana Kate.

1142
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:07,719
Speaker 1: Trouble understanding.

1143
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: I get that joke.

1144
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: But you don't hear much from Alito because he is

1145
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:19,239
so shy, so introverted. He does not seek celebrity at all.

1146
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,960
But he's this giant on the court. He wrote, for example,

1147
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:29,119
the Hobby Lobby Decision, which was about whether religious family

1148
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,480
corporations have the right to have religious rights. He of

1149
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,159
course famously did the hard work of the conservative legal

1150
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:42,639
movement's fifty year goal of overturning Robe Wade. That was

1151
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:44,679
a big goal of pro lifers, but it was also

1152
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:47,920
a big goal of just the conservative legal movement because

1153
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,039
Robi Wade, even as one pro abortion scholar put it,

1154
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,280
it's not constitutional law.

1155
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't even pretend to be. It was a horrible decision.

1156
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: It was like a policy document that had just had

1157
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,760
done so much harm to the country and done so

1158
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,320
much harm to Supreme Court jurisprudence because everything they did

1159
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,400
they had to protect Roe v. Wade, And so he

1160
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,719
did the hard work of overturning that. And I had

1161
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:17,320
wanted to write a book about Alitos since the moment

1162
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,480
we did the Kavanaugh book. I just thought he was fascinating.

1163
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:23,039
I loved the way the other justices talked about him.

1164
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,480
They'd say, he's the smartest one, he's the best questioner,

1165
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,159
but you'd never heard anything.

1166
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 3: So I put.

1167
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 4: Out feelers to his people right away and got a

1168
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,880
firm no. And then I just kept asking and asking,

1169
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:39,679
and finally was able to do this and interviewed more

1170
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:43,639
than one hundred people, and so it's partially just his story,

1171
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:45,719
which is a really interesting story of growing up in

1172
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,599
New Jersey, son of an immigrant, and going to Princeton,

1173
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:53,039
going to Yale, but not getting co opted by those institutions,

1174
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,079
just being a solid conservative his whole life. When he

1175
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,519
was nominated, he was known to be a conservative. He

1176
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:02,840
continued to be a conservative, and he has also a

1177
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,599
So it's partly just about him and his interesting family.

1178
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,960
He might have heard about his wife, Martha Ann, who

1179
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:14,440
really enjoys flying flags, and that it's partially about his

1180
01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:16,800
jurisprudence and how it differs from other people. He is

1181
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,640
an originalist, but he's known as a practical originalist, which

1182
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,159
means he thinks more about how that law will be

1183
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:27,319
implemented at lower levels. He was a former prosecutor, he

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was on the Third Circuit for many years, and so

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he thinks, like, when we make this decision, how will

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the lower courts handle this, How does this affect prosecutors,

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how does this affect police and so, and then it

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also tells the story of Dobbs. I get into the

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leak and information known about that. There's some explosive details,

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which I can't talk about right now until it comes out,

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and it's just I'm really glad I got to write it,

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and I'm really glad he's finally getting his due. There's

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another book out about Alito, also right, it'll be coming

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out next month, but from a left wing journalist. In fact,

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it's the editor who edited the story about the leak.

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Speaker 3: So he's on the left and I'm on the right.

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And then Justice.

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Speaker 4: Alito himself will have his first book out in the fall, which.

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Speaker 3: Will be a collection of his speeches. So year of Alito.

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Speaker 4: It's his twentieth year on the court, and he seems

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to be going strong.

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Speaker 1: Can you pre order your book now?

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Speaker 3: You can pre order the book right now?

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Speaker 1: Where can people preorder it now? If I mean don't

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want to support Amazon?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Barnes and Noble is probably the best way to

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do it. But Amazon, Barnes and Noble all that. And

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it's called Alito, so at least that part's easy to remember.

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Speaker 1: And it officially comes out April. I think it's April

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twenty first first, okay, okay, so everybody should go pre

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order Molly's book. It's going to be great. I can't

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wait to read it. We are going to wrap here

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because I do want to leave a few minutes for questions.

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Would love to hear from you what's on your mind. So,

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do we have a microphone we can pass around? While

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Sarah's grabbing the mic, I will just say that we

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have three Federalist podcasts. We have The Federalist Radio Hour

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that is hosted by Matt Kittle multiple times a week.

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He has wonderful guests on that show. Then every Wednesday

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you can listen to Your Wrong with Molly Hemingway and

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David Harsani. It's an excellent podcast. And if you are

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subscribe to that. And this episode will be going live

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