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down the line of questions from the postgame, getting into these, uh,
I asked this question in the postgame. Okay, I got
Brent Hammer Hammer Time show by my side, Vic Graem
on the data aggregation. We've bid farewell to our guy,
Brandon Segerny shout out to the g Man, the Girthy
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Speaker 3: Us for the first hour or so.
Speaker 2: Kalani in his postgame stated multiple times, I'm a fan.
I'm a fan. I grew up a fan. So I said, look,
you mentioned being a fan. What does it mean to
give fans a three game winning streak? Okay, something they
haven't experienced in the robbery game since the early nineties.
Speaker 3: This was his response.
Speaker 4: They've been great, and I mean they reminded me about
this game when I first got the job, you know,
and so a lot of times it didn't go our way.
I think I went for for two in the first
year and didn't get get it get it done. But
I mean, it's just like we're trying our best, you know,
and and sometimes it works out our way, sometimes it doesn't.
But I love this game and I love that. I mean,
I saw a lot of a lot of husband and
wife they were walking down and they were wearing ones
wearing red, the other ones wearing blue, and and you
know most of the kids wearing blue too. So I
think this is this is the same thing in my household.
My older brother and sister went to the U and
obviously I coached there, so this is this is no
different from me than it is for everybody else out there.
But now that we have a win streak, that's why
I'm just asking for a little bit more civility and
understanding and just some kindness. If anyone's gonna do, it'll
be our fan base, because that's just why I'm I'm
not trying to tell the fans that to do. I'm
just telling you, like how I live my life and
how much joy it's given me to respect our opponents
and especially University of Utah, and what they've done for me,
so I know that maybe they've done more for me
than they would a normal fan or of any of
our fans. That stands. But it's just a fun way
to live life and just just be respectful and honor
the game even more than we have before. And if
anyone's gonna do it, it'll be our fan.
Speaker 2: There you go, give him some love to the fans,
your thoughts, your response, b Hammertime, Hambertime show to that
comment from Kalani.
Speaker 5: I mean, this comment to me was just further proof
that Kalani experiences the rivalry on a different spiritual.
Speaker 6: Plane than the rest of us.
Speaker 5: The way he shows love to the opposing coaches who
don't show the same love to him, the way that
he reminds everyone, hey, this is a fun rivalry.
Speaker 6: This is about having fun.
Speaker 5: It's not for taking cheap shots, not for stepping on
other people. It's for enjoying a rivalry that comes between
families and friends and schools.
Speaker 6: And he just seems to enjoy it so much more
than the rest of us.
Speaker 5: And it's honestly something that I really hope to emulate
someday because again, for me, like when you work in
the media, and you see the things on the internet
that we see, it's really hard to love this rivalry. Now,
I will say Kalani has the luxury if he doesn't
work in the media, so he doesn't have to get
on the internet and see all the things that we see.
But this is a guy who was as close to
the rivalry as anybody.
Speaker 6: Again, he talked about like he worked there.
Speaker 5: Obviously, he's friends with a bunch of guys who worked there,
his family went there. I hope someday that I can
appreciate and frankly, not just me, but I hope be
a U fans Utah fans. I hope we can all
have the goal of someday being able to appreciate the
rivalry the way that he does.
Speaker 6: And I also will say, so I went to the game.
Speaker 5: We were sitting in the north end zone and there
were quite a few You fans sitting around us, and
I will say, like as much beef as I had
on the internet with Utah fans last week. The Utah
fans who I set next to and watch the game with, man,
they were so much fun to just watch the game
with because they would jab at us and when things
are going well, for us.
Speaker 6: We would jab at them and like it was just
so much fun.
Speaker 5: And again, the thing you realize is that people who
are on the internet are not representative of everyone that
you see on a daily basis. And so I really
did enjoy getting to sit next to those U fans
and watch the game with them because it was a
fun experience and it was a completely different experience than what.
Speaker 6: You see on the internet, you know, the addicts.
Speaker 2: Never I've had deep conversations the vocal minorities that never
the majority, especially on social media.
Speaker 3: All Right, a couple last things.
Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on that touchdown run, the twenty
two yard touchdown keeper from the Centaur the Bear tar
Bear Bachmeyer Kalate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he did a great job. I mean,
I thought it was a great call, and I mean
we just wanted to put it on his shoulders and
it paid off. I mean, he's tough, he's he's a
good player, you know, and I think he I thought,
made some really good play, get made some guys miss
and he's super tough. And then it's good to have
him and LJ in the backfield. And I thought the
old line did a great job getting some knock back
because the yards weren't easy. They're harder earned yards that
are running back in our quarterback and everyone had to
make and but we're getting some good push push up front.
I thought, I thought it was a good battle for
for knowing how how physical their old line and D
line is and then our guys answering the call. I
thought it was a great battle for us, a good
step around program.
Speaker 2: Air Bachmeier. I mean when when that went down, like
when you're third and long, you know, were you thinking,
what were you thinking? QB snake, QB lead, QB draw there.
Speaker 6: It's happened time and time.
Speaker 5: It happens like every game, I swear, and they never
see it coming and they can never seem to stop it.
Speaker 2: Well, they had a free man, they had a free runner.
Bear always makes the free runner miss. That's the thing
that goes through them. So like, yeah, there's two things
that are happening. Number One, hell on a helmet. The
offensive line, running backs and tight ends are doing a
great job of engaging and holding their blocks. The free
runner or multiple free runners are ultimately even either missing
arm tackles right because Bear is so big and strong
but yet nimble and quick like he doesn't get he's
not taking a direct hit to the body typically, and
when he did he did actually get a little bit
deingmed up. I think Levanni de Mooney may have gotten
him late in this game, and he came out of
the game kind of wining, and then there was a
time out. Hopefully he's okay. He did address the media.
We didn't see him hobbled. We didn't see I mean
the knockout punch from Lander Barton.
Speaker 5: That he got up from that one better than he
did from the Levani de Mooney.
Speaker 3: You know, man, no it matters.
Speaker 2: You know that he's able to take a beating right
the six two hundred and thirty five pounds centaur, but
he rarely gets a direct hit on him and Wayla
la Pouahu Bruce Smith getting to the second and third
level to push him into the end zone. That just
goes to show just how boden this team is doing
their job, not giving up on plays. We not me
and I just love it so bear. He deserves a
ton of credit obviously Aaron Roderick for recruiting him, getting
him here, keeping good relationships with him, and now you're
looking at the right handed better throwing Tim Tebow for
the BYU Cougar football team. Now I want to know
what scriptures are going to start putting on his cheeks.
That's the next that's the next thing. Anyway, last thing
from Kilanie, you committed zero turnovers. That's the last three
rivalry games BYU wins when they don't turn over the ball.
You committed zero turnovers. How important was it winning the
turnover battle?
Speaker 3: Kilani?
Speaker 4: It's critical, But I think at the same time, if
you're too worried about that, then you don't make some
of the big plays, and Bear doesn't make some of
the big throws that he did, and so I think
it's impossible to think you're gonna play entire season without
turnovers or even a game. It happens sometimes. I just
like the aggression and the answer if something does go
wrong that we've had in the past, the past couple
of weeks especially, just like to see these guys build
momentum and create it and stick with it. That's what
I want. But you have to give you talk credit.
I mean, it was a back and forth game, and
I think we just made more plays than they did,
and maybe turnovers were be key, but we knew that
it would come down to one of those things and
that we would have a you know, we'd get the
benefit of being at home. The crowd was loud, It
was awesome, It was it was so much fun. Man,
just make I mean, it's just the hair on my
arm just stand up just thinking about it. So it
was an amazing night and thank you to the fans.
Speaker 2: They go, that's Kalona Stock Any final thoughts Brett Hammertop
Show before we go to break and then we'll get
into Kyle witning Ham post GIPT sound.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't love the question, and only because I don't think,
like Kalani said, I don't think it's realistic to expect
to be YU to play so many games without turning
like they're going to turn it over. And what we
have to understand is right now they're playing exceptional in
terms of how little they turned the football over.
Speaker 6: When they do have a game coming.
Speaker 5: Forward where they turn it over two or three times,
we cannot freak out and say the sky is falling
because you didn't turn it over against Utah. What they're
doing is the exception, it's not the rule. So when
they do have games where they look human, where Bear
throws an interception, because if we remember, he did throw
an interception in this game, it just got called back
because of a penalty.
Speaker 6: Those things are going to happen now in this game.
Speaker 5: If you turn the football over, it's really tough to
argue that you win that game because part of the
reason that Utah lost. In fact, there's three reasons they
lost because of the interception, because of the muff punt,
and then because of not being able to convert on
fourth down and not taking points. Yep, there's gonna be
games with BOI turns the football over. That doesn't mean
they're a bad football team. It doesn't mean the sky
is falling, doesn't mean that they're out of character. Utah
was just in a performance on their part and it's
but but it won't always be that way, and that's okay.
Speaker 2: So going back to you know, a couple of those elements, right,
minus the the I N T that Bear through right right,
all of those other elements I think contribute in some way,
shape or form. And if we took took it our
analytics prior to this game, their Special.
Speaker 6: Teams unit's forty fourth in the country.
Speaker 2: B WAUS was sixth they didn't trust their special teams
unit for a reason, and it showed, and it showed
passing up on field goals. Then you go for it
on fourth, you come up short, right, your your your
punt returner, Muff's a kick. Those those those elements alone,
I think put b YU in a position win like, Yeah,
the I N T could have flipped the script too, Sure,
there's no doubt, but they still have to convert after
they after they h after they convert, et cetera. So
I still look at the special teams as a big
component there. Won that Kyle winning in the rivalry when
he has gone nine straight wins. He always had that
competitive image until the last few years. So we'll go
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Kyle Whittingham was very hesitant to elaborate on bear Bachmeyer
the in his pregame press conference. Unfortunately, the media did
not ask about bear Bachmeyer in the post game. I
know that was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 5: With as much of a dig as Ronnie gave with
one of the questions that will ask going up, I'm
surprised he didn't also throw that.
Speaker 6: One in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, man, he missed out on that opportunity. I
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was Kyle Whodeham's opening statement to the media.
Speaker 7: UH. Tough loss for our guys. Proud of them. They
showed a lot of fight, a lot of heart, did
some really good things tonight. Out rushed them out, throw
'em uh out first down to them. But we didn't
score more points than they did.
Speaker 3: That was that was.
Speaker 7: Because of the turnover margin and we lost turnover margin
two zero. Tough to do that against a team that's,
you know, a six and zero highly ranked team. It's
tough to to uh overcome that. We want our usual
selves in the red zone. We were one of the
best red zone teams in the country up until tonight,
and tonight we just couldn't quite find the way to
get it in the end zone. YEA, when you have
almost five hundred yards of offense and I and uh
twenty one points to show for it, that's that's uh
means that something's you know, something's not going well for you.
The in the red zone weren't very good on fourth down.
Think we were one to five on fourth downs, and
so it was, uh, you know, they they were uh
they made the play, they made the plays they needed
to make. We we didn't match that. And like I said,
you know, wells down to you know, the turnover margin,
the red zone production, and the fourth downs.
Speaker 2: All right, that's his thoughts. And look, there's a lot
of validity to what he said. That is a defeated
man right there, but he's also highlighting that his team
put forth a good effort versus.
Speaker 3: A highly ranked foe.
Speaker 2: That's as good of a compliment as you're going to
get from Kyle Whittingham in this rivalry game. More often not,
he won't even like say anything positive about b YU.
He said, Hey, you can't be minus two in turnover margin,
even if you do outrush outpass out out first down
a team they're highly ranked, you cannot be minus two
in the turnover margin.
Speaker 3: And and that's ultimately why.
Speaker 2: And on top of that the fourth downs right, one
to five on fourth down.
Speaker 3: But he also has to take accountability.
Speaker 6: He decided not to kick field goals.
Speaker 3: You could have just blamed the kicker.
Speaker 2: Instead, you had to blame your offense, which out first down, outrushed,
out passed the opponent.
Speaker 3: You could have.
Speaker 2: Made it easier for yourself by just blaming the kicker
if he couldn't kick field goals.
Speaker 3: But he chose not to put it on his kicker.
Speaker 2: Why because I think the kicker has a nose ring
and he doesn't like the noser.
Speaker 6: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: But like I when I saw that, I'm like, he
doesn't like that.
Speaker 2: There's no way he likes that. He doesn't like his kicker.
But there was bad karma. You saw the bad karma.
Were sitting there praying pregame and the kickers are still
kicking it through the uprights right in the middle of
the prayer.
Speaker 6: Is that bad karma?
Speaker 3: Brett Hammer? I think so. I think so.
Speaker 5: They didn't let him kick for a reason, and the
one time they one time they did let him kick
it was kicks it and Kalan he bailed him out
by calling a time out because otherwise he would have
whiffed on that. Look, I don't think this was a
bad Utah football team. I had Utah's good football.
Speaker 6: I had a.
Speaker 5: Bunch of Utah fans commenting on my post Saturday night saying, well,
BYU is not even that good, and so my response was, Okay,
so Utah lost to a team that just wasn't that Like,
what does that say about Utah?
Speaker 6: I don't think that was the case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think this was the case of BYU
was bad and Utah just had a bad night. I
think what you saw was what I told you last week,
which is statistically, these are the best two defenses in
the Big twelve, it's not disputable, and two of the
best defenses in the Big twelve or sorry, in the
college football I think what you saw was both of
those defenses came to play and the offenses had to
work extra extra hard to put points on the board.
Speaker 6: They were not given to you freely, so when you didn't.
Speaker 5: Take field goals, that came back to haunt you because realistically,
if they take those two field goals instead of going
forward on fourth down, we're having a completely different conversation
this morning.
Speaker 6: Because Utah wins that football game.
Speaker 5: Both these defenses showed up to play made it really
hard for the offenses to score points, and we don't
take the points.
Speaker 3: You lose ball games.
Speaker 2: Kyle witting Hamble's asked this question about the field goals.
Why did they just kick field goals? Why not kick
the field goal on those fourth downs in the red zone?
Speaker 7: Analytics well inside the analytics, to go well inside three
yards inside the analytics. And so unless you tell me
to go against the analytics, that's why.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you to go against the analytics, because guess
what are the analytics gonna be? There? Is there analytics
insurance when you choose to vie with the analytics and
then you wake up Monday morning and you lost because
you chose not to kick field goals.
Speaker 6: I got a bunch of questions about.
Speaker 5: The analytics, because, first of all, does the analytics take
into account who you're playing or is it just in
general when it's fourth and three and you're on the
twenty three yard line, you go for it because it
says this, Because we all know the old adage, matchups
make the fight, and matchups I also think would change
your analytics, because in this case, the analytics would tell you, okay, well,
b Way's defense is incredible, Yes, you maybe have a
fifty to fifty shot at a fourth and three or
a fourth and five. But also, like I just said,
if you take the points, you win the ballgame, and
those are easy points. And my guess is your your
odds of making a field goal from that range are
higher than your odds of getting your fourth down conversion
in that situation.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, Kyle, I am.
Speaker 5: Telling you don't go with the analytics, because you went
for the analytics and look what happened.
Speaker 2: This is where I would I would I would push
against some of the analytics, and I think you need
to delve further into it, like the efficacy and efficiency
of fourth down conversions from your own twenty through maybe
the opposing forty or different from the thirty to twenty
five going in because everything is restricted. So even in
a fourth and short, fourth and fourth and three, yeah,
you may be within certain like general analytics, general fourth
down analytics, but man, I think if you delve in
that is.
Speaker 6: Thin slice, that Malcolm Gladwell style.
Speaker 2: A little bit more, you may find that fourth and three,
fourth and two, fourth and one isn't as you're not
as optimistic about converting those when you're in the red
zone knocking on the door. But I'm sure you know,
as he mentioned even in his post game or his
post weekend press conference ever today, if you think you're
smarter than the analytics, you're not. He does add that
there's some asterisks to that, per joshpher Along of KSL
dot com. But Dan Campbell has been very aggressive on
fourth down for the for the lines for a long time.
He's received criticism, but he's also won a lot of
football games. Kalani has also been very aggressive on fourth downs.
Do you to some of the analytics that you know
influence him to call certain plays? He also says, Hey,
I'm a fan too, so you have a little bit
of emotion and metrics that add to that equation. Let's
continue on with Kyle Whittingham. Did you like the play
calls on those fourth downs?
Speaker 7: Kyle, Yeah, I thought we racked up almost five hundred dollars. Yeah,
so I mean not a fourth down time. Sure, I
got no problem with the play calling.
Speaker 2: Yeah on those problem with the play calling. Just got
to get execution.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Guy Holiday former coach in this rivalry game. You know,
Guy coached at BYU. He also coached at the University
of Utah.
Speaker 3: He says this, analytics do matter.
Speaker 2: After watching both plays, Utah failed in its execution. You
guys are right. It falls on coaching because of it.
If it's not executed, it's on the coach. But damn
players have to own it. Also, wide receiver blocking is
a mindset you want to b Why you out executed
the youths in the end so they didn't execute, is
what Guy Holiday's say.
Speaker 6: You know how you fix that problem.
Speaker 5: You take the point, and especially after it doesn't work
one time and you clearly know that you need points,
why not at least.
Speaker 6: Why go for it every time?
Speaker 5: I get your odds are probably somewhere in the fifty
to fifty range. So if you don't get it the
first time, you probably get it the second time, and
seven points would be more than six. But what you
ended up is you gamble it and you ended up
getting zero instead of what you thought could have been fourteen.
Because the other thing with this that you have to
understand is going forward on fourth down doesn't guarantee you points.
All going forward on fourth down does is gives you
the opportunity to have the opportunity to score a.
Speaker 6: Touchdown again, which is not a guarantee.
Speaker 5: Now, maybe what we're really haven't had an answer to
is maybe Kyle Whitningham, the question we should have asked is, hey,
do you not trust your kicker?
Speaker 6: Because if that's the case and the answer is.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, fine, but it it could be as though
he keeps using the word analytics, but what he really
means to say is, yeah, we just didn't trust our kicker,
that's why we went for it.
Speaker 6: But we're not gonna throw him under the bus.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, my boy chief says it's because of his arrogance.
Kylewiting is just arrogant. He thinks that they're just better
and that they will push it more and more and
it will work. The offensive line is the best offensive
line in the country. We should be able to pick
up a fourth and short. I think there's some validity
to that statement. I think there's some truth to that.
But I also think he hates his kicker and his
kicker his cheeks. I really do I believe that, man.
I just don't think he likes his kicker. I don't
think he trusts Like he had a change of heart
after his kicker got iced and missed.
Speaker 3: The field goal.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, change the heart, let's go, let's
go for it, Let's go for it.
Speaker 5: That was early in the game, and I just wonder, like,
you don't know, right when the guy misses on the
time out, You don't know if it's because he heard
the time out and so he wasn't really putting that
much into it, Like you don't know, but I will
say when your kicker doesn't go out the rest of
the game, and the only opportunity he got to swing
his foot was on a miss where Kilane called the
time out. The optics of it certainly don't look great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 6: He liked the play calls, though he had no problem
to play calls. What was the process.
Speaker 2: Kyle number four when you ran out the field goal
unit but then went for it after b Yu's time out?
Speaker 7: Oh oh, ANALYTX there said to go for it as well,
But we were gonna kick it initially and then uh,
we had to change of heart.
Speaker 6: So he's like the analytics said go for it. Does
change of heart mean we don't trust our kicker?
Speaker 5: Because I'm just hearing different ways for you to say
we don't trust this guy.
Speaker 2: I tell you, Like you know, Ronald was you know,
probably a gast when I said him, like when I
saw the nose ring, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Kle hates that kid. I hate it. He's he's got
to know me.
Speaker 6: I can't hate him.
Speaker 2: They don't have an ONTO code for that. There's no reason,
you know. But like I'm telling you, I'm telling you
there's something there. He doesn't like that kicker one bit.
I'm surprised, you know, I'm surprised he didn't just go
off on his kicker in the postgame, even.
Speaker 5: Though that he I mean, Kyle clearly doesn't have a
problem saying whatever he feels and thinks, so I am
also a little shocked that he didn't just let him
have it or say something that was like to us
we clearly understand as a job and maybe to the
rest of the world they don't.
Speaker 6: But when we hear it, we're like, oh, yeah, he's
throwing the guy into.
Speaker 2: The bus, and maybe that's I think he does take
a shot maybe at his kicker for like the on
side kick. I mean, RG three called it cheeks on
the TV, and I'm sure he wasn't very impressed by
it either. Look, let's go with number five. You've been
good with penalties this season. What happened in this rivalry game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was We've been good, really good in penalty
wise except for two football games, and other than that
we have been I think we're fourth in the league
at least penalized, fourth or fifth in the league. And
so been a couple of games where where it seems
to snowball on us, and tonight was one of those
two games, and there was some really damaging penalties.
Speaker 2: There, twelve penalties seventy seventy yards. Did the collective Utah
fan base think that that was not targeting? I mean,
did they think it was questionable?
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a couple questions later, so Spoilerlert
when Kyle calls it questionable.
Speaker 6: But I thought it was pretty cut and dry.
Speaker 5: Look, anytime you hit the quarterback that high, if it
wasn't a quarterback, I.
Speaker 6: Think maybe you have an argument.
Speaker 5: But your quarterback is a defenseless player at that point,
especially when he's just getting released from the sack. I
do think Utah fans thought it wasn't targeting, but I
mean it clearly was. If I was a Utah fan,
the thing I would have more issue with is that
somehow BYU didn't get a single penalty the entirety of
the first half, and Utah seemed to be hogging all
of them. I don't know what the conversation was like
with the officials pregame, but something felt weird with the
way that thing was called.
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not mad that.
Speaker 5: BYU didn't get any of the penalties, but it does
seem a little bit odd to me that you thought
was one of the least penalized teams and then they
got the floodgates opened with the yellow flag and BYU
didn't really pick.
Speaker 2: Up any I think it's good to be able to
go back and look at these these objective holes, or
at these objective calls. I think, I don't know if
there was ever I think the one that you could
really look at and be like, okay, like should that
one have been called? I didn't necessarily like the the
Tao Johnson hold on Carson Ryan.
Speaker 3: It was objectively a hold.
Speaker 2: It happens all the time though, especially Utah defensive backs,
but you have a defensive backs were pretty bad too,
and that one ended up being a pick for Jackson
Benning number twenty three, and he could have redeemed itself
because he got dragged into the into the freaking end
zone by bear Bachmeyer. That was a great play by
him jumping that dig route on Chase Roberts. Uh, so
you know, shout out to him his family. That was
a great play. I would have been fine with that
one being let go. But most of these calls were valid, right,
most of them, and even Utah got away with some.
Speaker 3: B YU probably got away with some too.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's all about line of sight, K For refs, they
have to have a line of site more often than not.
Sometimes they don't and they'll make a call, but more
often than not they need a.
Speaker 3: Line of sight.
Speaker 2: Even for example, the Chase Roberts come back when bear
Bachmeyer was calling for the hold the defensive hold this hunt,
the sideline judge did not have a clear line of
sight and therefore he ate his flag. He did not
throw it. So could there have been more flags on
b YU. How about the bear Blachmeyer when when Tayo
Johnson sacked him let him go and a couple of
BYU's offensive linment.
Speaker 6: Where they were engaged they were holding.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the back judge had a good
line of sight though to be able to throw those flags,
and so Bear extends, tosses it out of bounds and
Lander Barton completely annihilates.
Speaker 6: Him with a targeting to the jaw.
Speaker 3: He was going with his head.
Speaker 2: I mean, whether it was purposeful or not, it was
still targeting. Unlike the Isaiah Glasker targeting last year versus Utah,
that one was questionable. Sometimes it just bounces your way
in football. Okay, A couple last soundbites here from Kyle Winningham.
Devin Dampierre did most of the design QB runs in
the first half, but then seemed to come out for
a few plays in the second half. Was that designed
or Devon being hampered with an injury?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we felt you'd have to ask Devin about how
he was feeling. But you know, we just trying to
get a spark and Bird is a really good runner,
and he had a package specifically for him with Devon
on the field at the same time, a two quarterback package,
and so we decided, you know, in the second halfter
that was something that we wanted to go to.
Speaker 2: Look Devin Dampier, we have more information now he was injured,
He was hampered. He had a right ankle injury. That's
why they went with the backup. I find an interesting
that Bird's the backup rather than Isaac Wilson, who took
the majority of the reps last year as the backup
and became the starter. Maybe they're trying to protect him
a little bit for the future because that was a
scarring season for Isaac, who was very talented and a
very good thrower. I think Isaac is still the best
throwing quarterback on this roster. They just run their quarterback
a whole heck of a lot more than I think.
Probably Isaac wants to be a part of even but
Isaac can run too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that particular issue is a separate is you
for a separate conversation for a separate day. I'm now
feeling as though Utah is the boy who cried Wolf,
because going into every week, it's, oh, yeah, Devin was
hurt last week, but this week he's fully good and
completely healthy.
Speaker 6: Okay, cool, Well, when we.
Speaker 5: Lost the game, yeah, it turns out Devin was actually
a little bit hurt.
Speaker 6: I get that gamesmanship.
Speaker 5: You don't want the opposing team to know whether or
not Devon's hurt, But I think I did say this
last week, like I was like, I'm not sure if
he's fully healthy or not. It also just doesn't look
great when you tell everybody he's fully healthy, and then
as soon as you lose to your arrival, it's like, well,
he wasn't fully good. And then honestly, the audacity of
Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 6: To say, oh, you'll have to ask Devin.
Speaker 5: Really, you're gonna let us ask Devin if he was
hurt and you're good with him telling us, Oh, yeah,
I'm actually dealing with insijury.
Speaker 3: Kyle.
Speaker 5: Let's stop it, dude, stop using this. Oh you'll have
to ask them. You know what that means. It means
you don't want to answer the question. And if that
that's the case, that's fine. Say hey, I'm not talking
about that, But stop saying, oh, you'll have to ask
so and so.
Speaker 6: You know what, Kyle, deal with it. Yeah, it's very interesting.
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do you handle some of the highs and lows of
a game like this?
Speaker 3: Good question.
Speaker 7: It's it's part of the deal. And you know, you
go from elation to devastation in a seven day period
of time and back and forth. And but that's what
you sign up for. I mean, that's the nature of
this business.
Speaker 3: Yep, you sign up for it.
Speaker 2: And look, it's hard to stay on top of the
mountain in college football, man. And if you have an
expectation to staying on top of the mountain, like guys,
it's a new it's a whole new world, man. It's
it's difficult to stay on top of the There's a
reason why Nick Saban is no longer in this football world,
and he's not wanting to get back into it, right,
you not want to get back into this.
Speaker 3: He knows the parody.
Speaker 2: He knows that you cannot create a monopoly, you cannot
be at the top of the mountain for long in
this colle football world.
Speaker 3: Look at Texas Tech. Look.
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's theory was also brought to its knees because
he said, look, yeah, you pay the most, you win
the most. Texas Tech just lost to ASU on the road,
and even Kenny Dillingham had stated that before, like, hey,
like they spent a lot of money, they've done a
really good job and all these things. Then they beat
them at home, Texas Tech they beat them, So there's
there's cannibalism everywhere. Anybody could lose in colle football, even
when you spend a lot of money, because you still
have to delve into your debt and it's hard to
build qualitative depth when they're going into the portal. Your
second stringers that didn't get enough playetime want to start
at another institution.
Speaker 6: They do.
Speaker 2: They want to get more playing time and they're gonna
get paid pretty well to do it.
Speaker 3: So it's hard to build depth there.
Speaker 5: Look, these highs and lows are nowhere near over. You
just brought up Texas Tech lost to Arizona State. So
now Texas Tech as of right now in the standings
is fourth place, Arizona State is fifth, the Utah is
down there I think at the eighth spot. Guess what
I hate to be the boogeyman for BYU fans Utah
is by no means out of this. BYU still controls
their destiny and they control the one spot to win
the Big Twelve. But as we know, anything goes in
the Big Twelve, anything can happen.
Speaker 6: Look at last year. If that wasn't.
Speaker 5: Evident enough for you, BYU is not out of the
woods yet. There is a world where they could see
Utah in this Big Twelve title game. We still got
a lot of ball left to be played.
Speaker 6: This thing is not ad.
Speaker 2: You imagine have BYU and Utah. We discussed that in
the preseason, where like there's a there's a universe in
which BYU and Utah played twice this year, once in
the regular season, once in Arlington.
Speaker 6: That's what happened with Georgia and Texas last year.
Speaker 3: Could happen guys?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know? Do you hope it does? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It depends on what type of world do you want
to live in. Man, it would be electric, it'd be
pretty crazy. Joe Klatt would love it, you know.
Speaker 6: He'd be picking in that game once again, picking against
the Koogs.
Speaker 5: He needs that to happen to validate everything he's been
saying I was wrong. Well, yeah, I know they lost
the right nice season, but I knew that was day
wouldn't win.
Speaker 2: It counted day one way. This is my Pack twelve,
you know, my Pac twelve specialist Joe Klatt on the line. Anyway,
what what got away from the defense specifically in the
fourth quarter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was disappointing and we took the lead
seventeen to fourteen, and then just seemed like in the
blink of an they were back in the lead at
twenty one seventeen. You know, we didn't play the quarterback
run get a QB draw really was damaging. Was at
third and a lot and he got the QB draw
down there in the red zone. So we just didn't
play as well as we needed to.
Speaker 2: One of the underrated elements of this game. There was
a lot of mistackles from Utah and there were misplays
from Utah. I'll tell you guys time and time again,
the home field advantage for BYU extends even farther than
the twelfth man in the roar of the Cougars, which
we saw. We experienced that multiple infractions pre snap, heading
in and going out. We need the entire stadium to
be as loud as the rock though, just if you
really want to create a bit advantage, okay, and that'd
be tough to do because fans are there for entertainment,
not to be standing on their feet.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I will say I was in the north end zone
and everybody was on their feet the entirety of the game.
Speaker 6: There was no sitting.
Speaker 5: That's why I don't know what the sides were like,
but I can speak for my North end zone.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 5: There is nothing that gets a crowd fired up then
when a team false starts, because look, as a as
a fan, you can't really do a whole lot. But
when the other team fall starts, you feel like you
contributed to the game, and all that makes you do
is want to be louder.
Speaker 2: And I think the fans did a great job. The
other component of home field advantage is knowing you're playing surface,
and we harp on that a lot here on this
show because I am a playing surface guy.
Speaker 3: I'm a shoewear guy.
Speaker 2: And Utah was slipping a whole heck of a lot
more than Buy You was last night on that run
by bear bachmer watch the free player free runner slip
fall on his tush, okay, fall in his there. That's
why you gotta you gotta know you're playing surface. That's
what home field advantage is all about. All right, getting
back to it. Though, Utah's lost Street three straight, now, Kyle,
does that influence your decision to come back and coach
in this rivalry game once again?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: No, we won nine in a row before that, so
I'm you know, we're still on the very plus side
of that ledger.
Speaker 2: Which is true, very much on the plus side of
that ledger. He's eleven and six all time in the rivalry.
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Utah are in the same conference and Kyle Whittingham is
the coach, do you know what his win loss record
is versus BYU.
Speaker 6: He's three and five, three wins, five losses.
Speaker 2: When BYU and Utah are in the same conference, he's
got a losing record.
Speaker 3: Why that be? Why would that be? Well?
Speaker 2: Even playing field right when you were in the Mountain
West from five, you know to twenty and ten, they
were three and three, so fifty percent right, and that
was pretty common nineteen ninety to twenty ten. It was
right down the middle, whether it was John McBride, sorry
John McBride coach McBride right of Utah, Urban Meyer was
pretty dominant and then Coweningham took over.
Speaker 6: From twenty and ten to present.
Speaker 2: Though we've seen, you know, obviously BYU come back in
with three straight wins.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one is when the the.
Speaker 2: Max Hall curse was was broken, and now Utah has
to break the USA Poo Poo curse.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we had Jared Hall start for
US in twenty twenty one to break the Maxhall curse.
I don't know if you need another quarterback with the
last name Huntley to break the curse. But the USO
Poo Poo postgame curse is still in effect, and Kyle
Whitningham's now three and five in the rivalry game when
BYU and Utah are a part of the same conference
the last two go rounds, BYU is a Big twelve
member twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Before that, in the Mountain West three and three that
you have it.
Speaker 6: That is the stat that they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: That's sat.
Speaker 5: They don't lie that that break yor Mark doesn't want
you to know that college football that doesn't want doesn't
want you to know.
Speaker 6: Klatt definitely doesn't want you to know that. Sad. That
is pretty incredible.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that, but honestly, it makes sense because
it would be like if Georgia or Alabama had a
rivalry with a team that was in the American or
in the Sun Belt. And I'm not trying to disrespect
to BYU, but let's be honest. It's easier to recruit
when you're in a power for conference. It's harder to
recruit when you're an independent. It's almost like trying to
tell someone to go from their big job to go
down to your startup with someone they don't know. It's like, yeah,
but I have a guaranteed thing here. I understand your
upside might be higher, but this is a guaranteed thing.
I don't know that I want to go there. Utah
dominated the rivalry when they were in the Pac twelve
and when they could say to other school other recruits, hey,
those guys don't have a conference.
Speaker 6: They do have an honor code.
Speaker 5: There's no reason for you to go there now that
they're on an even playing field.
Speaker 6: Like you said, it's really hard to dominate this rivalry.
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. A couple last things here, can
you walk us through Kyle that muff pump what happened?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he talked to him, Mona, and you're a very
prideful young man and it cares tremendously about the team
and his role. And he just felt the ball was floating.
As exact words, he thought it was coming deeper and
it wasn't. It took a nose guy, he said, just
as all of a sudden he just dipped and caught
him by surprise and consequently mishandled it.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's Sam Vanderharr and that Australian style punting baby.
Shout out to Sam vander Horr and his drop ball.
How much did the loss of lander pardon hurt you,
guys kywitting him?
Speaker 7: Well, he's a really good player, so I certainly didn't help.
But the refs took a look and thought it was targeting,
and so it was, you know, it was the end
of the Landers night. But yeah, he's a really good player.
You don't want to be without, you know, any of
your good player.
Speaker 2: It must have been frustrating when you had bear Bachmeier sacked.
You thought you had him sacked, and then it turns
into penalty yardage.
Speaker 3: Pontificate on that exactly, exactly. That was a huge swing.
Speaker 7: Events we had the sack and the had them behind
the sticks, or would have had them behind the sticks,
and then Landra had to come clean it up and
got a called. Like I said, it was, you know,
I guess it was. It was questionable for where it
was or not, but they decided it was.
Speaker 6: So was it questionable?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think so it was not question And I
also just don't like that from Kyle. If fans want
to say that cool, but there was no they didn't
ask you. Was it the right call if they had
asked you that, and then you want to say it's questionable.
I can live with that. That feels like I'm really
frustrated about this and I let it get out of hand,
so I'm calling it questionable.
Speaker 3: I don't think that was necessary.
Speaker 6: All right? They go last thing, actually this move to fourteen.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there were any similarities between this
game and the Texas Tech Game.
Speaker 7: Well, not to the extent of that one. That one
was much more dramatic in the way it happened. You know,
we eventually we closed twenty four twenty one, so we
had a a shot at the end. We didn't execute
the on side kicked very well, but at least we
had a shot at the end, and whereas in the
Texas Tech Game, we we didn't have a shot.
Speaker 6: Thought about it.
Speaker 2: He's like, like I said, as far as compliments are concerned,
he called them highly ranked, you know, a highly ranked
football team. And then you heard it right there. It's like,
you know, we actually had a shot in this one. Well,
we actually had a shot in this one versus this team.
That's as good as you're gonna get. With compliments from
from k Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 5: Not if Kalana kicks the field goal instead of owing
it to Chase Roberts.
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