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down the line of questions from the postgame, getting into these, uh,

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I asked this question in the postgame. Okay, I got

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on the data aggregation. We've bid farewell to our guy,

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Speaker 3: Us for the first hour or so.

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Speaker 2: Kalani in his postgame stated multiple times, I'm a fan.

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I'm a fan. I grew up a fan. So I said, look,

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you mentioned being a fan. What does it mean to

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give fans a three game winning streak? Okay, something they

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haven't experienced in the robbery game since the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: This was his response.

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Speaker 4: They've been great, and I mean they reminded me about

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this game when I first got the job, you know,

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and so a lot of times it didn't go our way.

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I think I went for for two in the first

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year and didn't get get it get it done. But

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I mean, it's just like we're trying our best, you know,

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and and sometimes it works out our way, sometimes it doesn't.

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But I love this game and I love that. I mean,

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I saw a lot of a lot of husband and

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wife they were walking down and they were wearing ones

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wearing red, the other ones wearing blue, and and you

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know most of the kids wearing blue too. So I

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think this is this is the same thing in my household.

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obviously I coached there, so this is this is no

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different from me than it is for everybody else out there.

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But now that we have a win streak, that's why

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I'm just asking for a little bit more civility and

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understanding and just some kindness. If anyone's gonna do, it'll

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be our fan base, because that's just why I'm I'm

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not trying to tell the fans that to do. I'm

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just telling you, like how I live my life and

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how much joy it's given me to respect our opponents

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and especially University of Utah, and what they've done for me,

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so I know that maybe they've done more for me

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than they would a normal fan or of any of

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our fans. That stands. But it's just a fun way

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to live life and just just be respectful and honor

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the game even more than we have before. And if

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anyone's gonna do it, it'll be our fan.

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Speaker 2: There you go, give him some love to the fans,

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your thoughts, your response, b Hammertime, Hambertime show to that

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comment from Kalani.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this comment to me was just further proof

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that Kalani experiences the rivalry on a different spiritual.

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Speaker 6: Plane than the rest of us.

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Speaker 5: The way he shows love to the opposing coaches who

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don't show the same love to him, the way that

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he reminds everyone, hey, this is a fun rivalry.

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Speaker 6: This is about having fun.

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Speaker 5: It's not for taking cheap shots, not for stepping on

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other people. It's for enjoying a rivalry that comes between

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Speaker 6: And he just seems to enjoy it so much more

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than the rest of us.

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Speaker 5: And it's honestly something that I really hope to emulate

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work in the media, so he doesn't have to get

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on the internet and see all the things that we see.

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the rivalry as anybody.

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Speaker 6: Again, he talked about like he worked there.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, he's friends with a bunch of guys who worked there,

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his family went there. I hope someday that I can

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appreciate and frankly, not just me, but I hope be

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a U fans Utah fans. I hope we can all

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have the goal of someday being able to appreciate the

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rivalry the way that he does.

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Speaker 6: And I also will say, so I went to the game.

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Speaker 5: We were sitting in the north end zone and there

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were quite a few You fans sitting around us, and

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on the internet with Utah fans last week. The Utah

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fans who I set next to and watch the game with, man,

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they were so much fun to just watch the game

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with because they would jab at us and when things

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Speaker 6: We would jab at them and like it was just

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Speaker 5: And again, the thing you realize is that people who

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did enjoy getting to sit next to those U fans

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and watch the game with them because it was a

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fun experience and it was a completely different experience than what.

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Speaker 6: You see on the internet, you know, the addicts.

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Speaker 2: Never I've had deep conversations the vocal minorities that never

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the majority, especially on social media.

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Speaker 3: All Right, a couple last things.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on that touchdown run, the twenty

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two yard touchdown keeper from the Centaur the Bear tar

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Bear Bachmeyer Kalate.

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we just wanted to put it on his shoulders and

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it paid off. I mean, he's tough, he's he's a

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made some really good play, get made some guys miss

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and he's super tough. And then it's good to have

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him and LJ in the backfield. And I thought the

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old line did a great job getting some knock back

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because the yards weren't easy. They're harder earned yards that

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are running back in our quarterback and everyone had to

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for knowing how how physical their old line and D

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line is and then our guys answering the call. I

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thought it was a great battle for us, a good

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step around program.

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Speaker 2: Air Bachmeier. I mean when when that went down, like

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when you're third and long, you know, were you thinking,

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what were you thinking? QB snake, QB lead, QB draw there.

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Speaker 6: It's happened time and time.

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Speaker 5: It happens like every game, I swear, and they never

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see it coming and they can never seem to stop it.

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Speaker 2: Well, they had a free man, they had a free runner.

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that goes through them. So like, yeah, there's two things

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that are happening. Number One, hell on a helmet. The

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offensive line, running backs and tight ends are doing a

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great job of engaging and holding their blocks. The free

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runner or multiple free runners are ultimately even either missing

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arm tackles right because Bear is so big and strong

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but yet nimble and quick like he doesn't get he's

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not taking a direct hit to the body typically, and

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deingmed up. I think Levanni de Mooney may have gotten

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him late in this game, and he came out of

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the game kind of wining, and then there was a

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time out. Hopefully he's okay. He did address the media.

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the knockout punch from Lander Barton.

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Speaker 5: That he got up from that one better than he

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did from the Levani de Mooney.

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Speaker 3: You know, man, no it matters.

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Speaker 2: You know that he's able to take a beating right

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the six two hundred and thirty five pounds centaur, but

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he rarely gets a direct hit on him and Wayla

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la Pouahu Bruce Smith getting to the second and third

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level to push him into the end zone. That just

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goes to show just how boden this team is doing

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their job, not giving up on plays. We not me

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and I just love it so bear. He deserves a

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ton of credit obviously Aaron Roderick for recruiting him, getting

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him here, keeping good relationships with him, and now you're

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looking at the right handed better throwing Tim Tebow for

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the BYU Cougar football team. Now I want to know

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what scriptures are going to start putting on his cheeks.

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That's the next that's the next thing. Anyway, last thing

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from Kilanie, you committed zero turnovers. That's the last three

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rivalry games BYU wins when they don't turn over the ball.

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You committed zero turnovers. How important was it winning the

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turnover battle?

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Speaker 3: Kilani?

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Speaker 4: It's critical, But I think at the same time, if

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you're too worried about that, then you don't make some

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of the big plays, and Bear doesn't make some of

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the big throws that he did, and so I think

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it's impossible to think you're gonna play entire season without

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turnovers or even a game. It happens sometimes. I just

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like the aggression and the answer if something does go

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wrong that we've had in the past, the past couple

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of weeks especially, just like to see these guys build

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momentum and create it and stick with it. That's what

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I want. But you have to give you talk credit.

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it would come down to one of those things and

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that we would have a you know, we'd get the

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benefit of being at home. The crowd was loud, It

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was awesome, It was it was so much fun. Man,

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just make I mean, it's just the hair on my

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arm just stand up just thinking about it. So it

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was an amazing night and thank you to the fans.

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Speaker 2: They go, that's Kalona Stock Any final thoughts Brett Hammertop

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't love the question, and only because I don't think,

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like Kalani said, I don't think it's realistic to expect

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to be YU to play so many games without turning

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like they're going to turn it over. And what we

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have to understand is right now they're playing exceptional in

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terms of how little they turned the football over.

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Speaker 6: When they do have a game coming.

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Speaker 5: Forward where they turn it over two or three times,

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we cannot freak out and say the sky is falling

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because you didn't turn it over against Utah. What they're

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doing is the exception, it's not the rule. So when

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they do have games where they look human, where Bear

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throws an interception, because if we remember, he did throw

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an interception in this game, it just got called back

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Speaker 6: Those things are going to happen now in this game.

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Speaker 5: If you turn the football over, it's really tough to

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argue that you win that game because part of the

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reason that Utah lost. In fact, there's three reasons they

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lost because of the interception, because of the muff punt,

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and then because of not being able to convert on

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fourth down and not taking points. Yep, there's gonna be

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games with BOI turns the football over. That doesn't mean

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they're a bad football team. It doesn't mean the sky

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was just in a performance on their part and it's

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but but it won't always be that way, and that's okay.

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Speaker 2: So going back to you know, a couple of those elements, right,

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minus the the I N T that Bear through right right,

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all of those other elements I think contribute in some way,

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shape or form. And if we took took it our

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analytics prior to this game, their Special.

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Speaker 6: Teams unit's forty fourth in the country.

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Speaker 2: B WAUS was sixth they didn't trust their special teams

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unit for a reason, and it showed, and it showed

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passing up on field goals. Then you go for it

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on fourth, you come up short, right, your your your

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punt returner, Muff's a kick. Those those those elements alone,

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I think put b YU in a position win like, Yeah,

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the I N T could have flipped the script too, Sure,

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there's no doubt, but they still have to convert after

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they after they h after they convert, et cetera. So

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I still look at the special teams as a big

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component there. Won that Kyle winning in the rivalry when

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he has gone nine straight wins. He always had that

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competitive image until the last few years. So we'll go

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a little college football here and get into Kyle Whittingham's sound. Now,

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Kyle Whittingham was very hesitant to elaborate on bear Bachmeyer

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the in his pregame press conference. Unfortunately, the media did

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not ask about bear Bachmeyer in the post game. I

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know that was a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 5: With as much of a dig as Ronnie gave with

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one of the questions that will ask going up, I'm

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surprised he didn't also throw that.

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Speaker 6: One in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, man, he missed out on that opportunity. I

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was in the home locker room, or rather the home

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press conference, but I should have coached them up to

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also ask that follow up, and so I will take

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Utah dot com. All right, let's get into it. This

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was Kyle Whodeham's opening statement to the media.

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Speaker 7: UH. Tough loss for our guys. Proud of them. They

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showed a lot of fight, a lot of heart, did

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some really good things tonight. Out rushed them out, throw

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'em uh out first down to them. But we didn't

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score more points than they did.

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Speaker 3: That was that was.

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Speaker 7: Because of the turnover margin and we lost turnover margin

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two zero. Tough to do that against a team that's,

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you know, a six and zero highly ranked team. It's

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tough to to uh overcome that. We want our usual

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selves in the red zone. We were one of the

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best red zone teams in the country up until tonight,

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and tonight we just couldn't quite find the way to

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get it in the end zone. YEA, when you have

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almost five hundred yards of offense and I and uh

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twenty one points to show for it, that's that's uh

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means that something's you know, something's not going well for you.

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The in the red zone weren't very good on fourth down.

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Think we were one to five on fourth downs, and

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so it was, uh, you know, they they were uh

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they made the play, they made the plays they needed

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to make. We we didn't match that. And like I said,

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you know, wells down to you know, the turnover margin,

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the red zone production, and the fourth downs.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's his thoughts. And look, there's a lot

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of validity to what he said. That is a defeated

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man right there, but he's also highlighting that his team

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put forth a good effort versus.

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Speaker 3: A highly ranked foe.

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Speaker 2: That's as good of a compliment as you're going to

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get from Kyle Whittingham in this rivalry game. More often not,

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he won't even like say anything positive about b YU.

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He said, Hey, you can't be minus two in turnover margin,

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even if you do outrush outpass out out first down

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a team they're highly ranked, you cannot be minus two

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in the turnover margin.

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Speaker 3: And and that's ultimately why.

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Speaker 2: And on top of that the fourth downs right, one

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to five on fourth down.

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Speaker 3: But he also has to take accountability.

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Speaker 6: He decided not to kick field goals.

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Speaker 3: You could have just blamed the kicker.

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Speaker 2: Instead, you had to blame your offense, which out first down, outrushed,

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out passed the opponent.

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Speaker 3: You could have.

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Speaker 2: Made it easier for yourself by just blaming the kicker

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if he couldn't kick field goals.

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Speaker 3: But he chose not to put it on his kicker.

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Speaker 2: Why because I think the kicker has a nose ring

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and he doesn't like the noser.

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Speaker 6: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3: But like I when I saw that, I'm like, he

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doesn't like that.

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Speaker 2: There's no way he likes that. He doesn't like his kicker.

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But there was bad karma. You saw the bad karma.

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Were sitting there praying pregame and the kickers are still

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kicking it through the uprights right in the middle of

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the prayer.

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Speaker 6: Is that bad karma?

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Speaker 3: Brett Hammer? I think so. I think so.

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Speaker 5: They didn't let him kick for a reason, and the

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one time they one time they did let him kick

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it was kicks it and Kalan he bailed him out

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by calling a time out because otherwise he would have

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whiffed on that. Look, I don't think this was a

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bad Utah football team. I had Utah's good football.

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Speaker 6: I had a.

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Speaker 5: Bunch of Utah fans commenting on my post Saturday night saying, well,

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BYU is not even that good, and so my response was, Okay,

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so Utah lost to a team that just wasn't that Like,

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what does that say about Utah?

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Speaker 6: I don't think that was the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think this was the case of BYU

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was bad and Utah just had a bad night. I

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think what you saw was what I told you last week,

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which is statistically, these are the best two defenses in

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the Big twelve, it's not disputable, and two of the

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best defenses in the Big twelve or sorry, in the

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college football I think what you saw was both of

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those defenses came to play and the offenses had to

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work extra extra hard to put points on the board.

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Speaker 6: They were not given to you freely, so when you didn't.

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Speaker 5: Take field goals, that came back to haunt you because realistically,

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if they take those two field goals instead of going

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forward on fourth down, we're having a completely different conversation

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this morning.

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Speaker 6: Because Utah wins that football game.

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Speaker 5: Both these defenses showed up to play made it really

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hard for the offenses to score points, and we don't

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take the points.

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Speaker 3: You lose ball games.

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Speaker 2: Kyle witting Hamble's asked this question about the field goals.

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Why did they just kick field goals? Why not kick

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the field goal on those fourth downs in the red zone?

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Speaker 7: Analytics well inside the analytics, to go well inside three

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yards inside the analytics. And so unless you tell me

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to go against the analytics, that's why.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you to go against the analytics, because guess

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what are the analytics gonna be? There? Is there analytics

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insurance when you choose to vie with the analytics and

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then you wake up Monday morning and you lost because

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you chose not to kick field goals.

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Speaker 6: I got a bunch of questions about.

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Speaker 5: The analytics, because, first of all, does the analytics take

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into account who you're playing or is it just in

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general when it's fourth and three and you're on the

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twenty three yard line, you go for it because it

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says this, Because we all know the old adage, matchups

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make the fight, and matchups I also think would change

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your analytics, because in this case, the analytics would tell you, okay, well,

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b Way's defense is incredible, Yes, you maybe have a

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fifty to fifty shot at a fourth and three or

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a fourth and five. But also, like I just said,

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if you take the points, you win the ballgame, and

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those are easy points. And my guess is your your

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odds of making a field goal from that range are

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higher than your odds of getting your fourth down conversion

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in that situation.

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Speaker 6: And so yeah, Kyle, I am.

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Speaker 5: Telling you don't go with the analytics, because you went

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for the analytics and look what happened.

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Speaker 2: This is where I would I would I would push

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against some of the analytics, and I think you need

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to delve further into it, like the efficacy and efficiency

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of fourth down conversions from your own twenty through maybe

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the opposing forty or different from the thirty to twenty

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five going in because everything is restricted. So even in

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a fourth and short, fourth and fourth and three, yeah,

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you may be within certain like general analytics, general fourth

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down analytics, but man, I think if you delve in

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that is.

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Speaker 6: Thin slice, that Malcolm Gladwell style.

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Speaker 2: A little bit more, you may find that fourth and three,

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fourth and two, fourth and one isn't as you're not

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as optimistic about converting those when you're in the red

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zone knocking on the door. But I'm sure you know,

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as he mentioned even in his post game or his

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post weekend press conference ever today, if you think you're

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smarter than the analytics, you're not. He does add that

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there's some asterisks to that, per joshpher Along of KSL

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dot com. But Dan Campbell has been very aggressive on

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fourth down for the for the lines for a long time.

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He's received criticism, but he's also won a lot of

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football games. Kalani has also been very aggressive on fourth downs.

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Do you to some of the analytics that you know

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influence him to call certain plays? He also says, Hey,

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I'm a fan too, so you have a little bit

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of emotion and metrics that add to that equation. Let's

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continue on with Kyle Whittingham. Did you like the play

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calls on those fourth downs?

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Speaker 7: Kyle, Yeah, I thought we racked up almost five hundred dollars. Yeah,

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so I mean not a fourth down time. Sure, I

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got no problem with the play calling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah on those problem with the play calling. Just got

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to get execution.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Guy Holiday former coach in this rivalry game. You know,

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Guy coached at BYU. He also coached at the University

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of Utah.

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Speaker 3: He says this, analytics do matter.

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Speaker 2: After watching both plays, Utah failed in its execution. You

476
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guys are right. It falls on coaching because of it.

477
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If it's not executed, it's on the coach. But damn

478
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players have to own it. Also, wide receiver blocking is

479
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a mindset you want to b Why you out executed

480
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the youths in the end so they didn't execute, is

481
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what Guy Holiday's say.

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Speaker 6: You know how you fix that problem.

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Speaker 5: You take the point, and especially after it doesn't work

484
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one time and you clearly know that you need points,

485
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why not at least.

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Speaker 6: Why go for it every time?

487
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Speaker 5: I get your odds are probably somewhere in the fifty

488
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to fifty range. So if you don't get it the

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first time, you probably get it the second time, and

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seven points would be more than six. But what you

491
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ended up is you gamble it and you ended up

492
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getting zero instead of what you thought could have been fourteen.

493
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Because the other thing with this that you have to

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understand is going forward on fourth down doesn't guarantee you points.

495
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All going forward on fourth down does is gives you

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the opportunity to have the opportunity to score a.

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Speaker 6: Touchdown again, which is not a guarantee.

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Speaker 5: Now, maybe what we're really haven't had an answer to

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is maybe Kyle Whitningham, the question we should have asked is, hey,

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do you not trust your kicker?

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Speaker 6: Because if that's the case and the answer is.

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, fine, but it it could be as though

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he keeps using the word analytics, but what he really

504
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means to say is, yeah, we just didn't trust our kicker,

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that's why we went for it.

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Speaker 6: But we're not gonna throw him under the bus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my boy chief says it's because of his arrogance.

509
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Kylewiting is just arrogant. He thinks that they're just better

510
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and that they will push it more and more and

511
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it will work. The offensive line is the best offensive

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line in the country. We should be able to pick

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up a fourth and short. I think there's some validity

514
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to that statement. I think there's some truth to that.

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But I also think he hates his kicker and his

516
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kicker his cheeks. I really do I believe that, man.

517
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I just don't think he likes his kicker. I don't

518
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think he trusts Like he had a change of heart

519
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after his kicker got iced and missed.

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Speaker 3: The field goal.

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Speaker 2: He's like, all right, change the heart, let's go, let's

522
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go for it, Let's go for it.

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Speaker 5: That was early in the game, and I just wonder, like,

524
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you don't know, right when the guy misses on the

525
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time out, You don't know if it's because he heard

526
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the time out and so he wasn't really putting that

527
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much into it, Like you don't know, but I will

528
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say when your kicker doesn't go out the rest of

529
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the game, and the only opportunity he got to swing

530
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his foot was on a miss where Kilane called the

531
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time out. The optics of it certainly don't look great.

532
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 6: He liked the play calls, though he had no problem

534
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to play calls. What was the process.

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Speaker 2: Kyle number four when you ran out the field goal

536
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unit but then went for it after b Yu's time out?

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Speaker 7: Oh oh, ANALYTX there said to go for it as well,

538
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But we were gonna kick it initially and then uh,

539
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we had to change of heart.

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Speaker 6: So he's like the analytics said go for it. Does

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change of heart mean we don't trust our kicker?

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Speaker 5: Because I'm just hearing different ways for you to say

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we don't trust this guy.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, Like you know, Ronald was you know,

545
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probably a gast when I said him, like when I

546
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saw the nose ring, I'm like.

547
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Speaker 3: Kle hates that kid. I hate it. He's he's got

548
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to know me.

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Speaker 6: I can't hate him.

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Speaker 2: They don't have an ONTO code for that. There's no reason,

551
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you know. But like I'm telling you, I'm telling you

552
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there's something there. He doesn't like that kicker one bit.

553
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I'm surprised, you know, I'm surprised he didn't just go

554
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off on his kicker in the postgame, even.

555
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Speaker 5: Though that he I mean, Kyle clearly doesn't have a

556
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problem saying whatever he feels and thinks, so I am

557
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also a little shocked that he didn't just let him

558
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have it or say something that was like to us

559
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we clearly understand as a job and maybe to the

560
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rest of the world they don't.

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Speaker 6: But when we hear it, we're like, oh, yeah, he's

562
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throwing the guy into.

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Speaker 2: The bus, and maybe that's I think he does take

564
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a shot maybe at his kicker for like the on

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side kick. I mean, RG three called it cheeks on

566
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the TV, and I'm sure he wasn't very impressed by

567
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it either. Look, let's go with number five. You've been

568
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good with penalties this season. What happened in this rivalry game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was We've been good, really good in penalty

570
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wise except for two football games, and other than that

571
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we have been I think we're fourth in the league

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at least penalized, fourth or fifth in the league. And

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so been a couple of games where where it seems

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to snowball on us, and tonight was one of those

575
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two games, and there was some really damaging penalties.

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Speaker 2: There, twelve penalties seventy seventy yards. Did the collective Utah

577
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fan base think that that was not targeting? I mean,

578
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did they think it was questionable?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a couple questions later, so Spoilerlert

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when Kyle calls it questionable.

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Speaker 6: But I thought it was pretty cut and dry.

582
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Speaker 5: Look, anytime you hit the quarterback that high, if it

583
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wasn't a quarterback, I.

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Speaker 6: Think maybe you have an argument.

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Speaker 5: But your quarterback is a defenseless player at that point,

586
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especially when he's just getting released from the sack. I

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00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,759
do think Utah fans thought it wasn't targeting, but I

588
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,079
mean it clearly was. If I was a Utah fan,

589
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the thing I would have more issue with is that

590
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somehow BYU didn't get a single penalty the entirety of

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the first half, and Utah seemed to be hogging all

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of them. I don't know what the conversation was like

593
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with the officials pregame, but something felt weird with the

594
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way that thing was called.

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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not mad that.

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Speaker 5: BYU didn't get any of the penalties, but it does

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seem a little bit odd to me that you thought

598
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was one of the least penalized teams and then they

599
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got the floodgates opened with the yellow flag and BYU

600
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didn't really pick.

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Speaker 2: Up any I think it's good to be able to

602
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go back and look at these these objective holes, or

603
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at these objective calls. I think, I don't know if

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there was ever I think the one that you could

605
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really look at and be like, okay, like should that

606
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one have been called? I didn't necessarily like the the

607
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Tao Johnson hold on Carson Ryan.

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Speaker 3: It was objectively a hold.

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Speaker 2: It happens all the time though, especially Utah defensive backs,

610
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but you have a defensive backs were pretty bad too,

611
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and that one ended up being a pick for Jackson

612
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Benning number twenty three, and he could have redeemed itself

613
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because he got dragged into the into the freaking end

614
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,720
zone by bear Bachmeyer. That was a great play by

615
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him jumping that dig route on Chase Roberts. Uh, so

616
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you know, shout out to him his family. That was

617
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a great play. I would have been fine with that

618
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:19,279
one being let go. But most of these calls were valid, right,

619
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most of them, and even Utah got away with some.

620
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Speaker 3: B YU probably got away with some too.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's all about line of sight, K For refs, they

623
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have to have a line of site more often than not.

624
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Sometimes they don't and they'll make a call, but more

625
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often than not they need a.

626
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Speaker 3: Line of sight.

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Speaker 2: Even for example, the Chase Roberts come back when bear

628
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Bachmeyer was calling for the hold the defensive hold this hunt,

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the sideline judge did not have a clear line of

630
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sight and therefore he ate his flag. He did not

631
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throw it. So could there have been more flags on

632
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b YU. How about the bear Blachmeyer when when Tayo

633
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Johnson sacked him let him go and a couple of

634
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BYU's offensive linment.

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Speaker 6: Where they were engaged they were holding.

636
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Speaker 2: I don't know if the back judge had a good

637
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,839
line of sight though to be able to throw those flags,

638
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:15,480
and so Bear extends, tosses it out of bounds and

639
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Lander Barton completely annihilates.

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Speaker 6: Him with a targeting to the jaw.

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Speaker 3: He was going with his head.

642
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Speaker 2: I mean, whether it was purposeful or not, it was

643
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:34,200
still targeting. Unlike the Isaiah Glasker targeting last year versus Utah,

644
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,440
that one was questionable. Sometimes it just bounces your way

645
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:44,079
in football. Okay, A couple last soundbites here from Kyle Winningham.

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Devin Dampierre did most of the design QB runs in

647
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the first half, but then seemed to come out for

648
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a few plays in the second half. Was that designed

649
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or Devon being hampered with an injury?

650
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we felt you'd have to ask Devin about how

652
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he was feeling. But you know, we just trying to

653
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,920
get a spark and Bird is a really good runner,

654
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and he had a package specifically for him with Devon

655
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on the field at the same time, a two quarterback package,

656
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,599
and so we decided, you know, in the second halfter

657
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that was something that we wanted to go to.

658
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Speaker 2: Look Devin Dampier, we have more information now he was injured,

659
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He was hampered. He had a right ankle injury. That's

660
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why they went with the backup. I find an interesting

661
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that Bird's the backup rather than Isaac Wilson, who took

662
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,160
the majority of the reps last year as the backup

663
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and became the starter. Maybe they're trying to protect him

664
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a little bit for the future because that was a

665
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,759
scarring season for Isaac, who was very talented and a

666
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,039
very good thrower. I think Isaac is still the best

667
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,160
throwing quarterback on this roster. They just run their quarterback

668
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,119
a whole heck of a lot more than I think.

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Probably Isaac wants to be a part of even but

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Isaac can run too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think that particular issue is a separate is you

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00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,480
for a separate conversation for a separate day. I'm now

674
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,559
feeling as though Utah is the boy who cried Wolf,

675
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because going into every week, it's, oh, yeah, Devin was

676
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,319
hurt last week, but this week he's fully good and

677
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completely healthy.

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Speaker 6: Okay, cool, Well, when we.

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Speaker 5: Lost the game, yeah, it turns out Devin was actually

680
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,440
a little bit hurt.

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Speaker 6: I get that gamesmanship.

682
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Speaker 5: You don't want the opposing team to know whether or

683
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,480
not Devon's hurt, But I think I did say this

684
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,640
last week, like I was like, I'm not sure if

685
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,680
he's fully healthy or not. It also just doesn't look

686
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,759
great when you tell everybody he's fully healthy, and then

687
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,799
as soon as you lose to your arrival, it's like, well,

688
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,279
he wasn't fully good. And then honestly, the audacity of

689
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Kyle Whittingham.

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Speaker 6: To say, oh, you'll have to ask Devin.

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Speaker 5: Really, you're gonna let us ask Devin if he was

692
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680
hurt and you're good with him telling us, Oh, yeah,

693
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,400
I'm actually dealing with insijury.

694
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Speaker 3: Kyle.

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Speaker 5: Let's stop it, dude, stop using this. Oh you'll have

696
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,079
to ask them. You know what that means. It means

697
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,039
you don't want to answer the question. And if that

698
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,799
that's the case, that's fine. Say hey, I'm not talking

699
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,200
about that, But stop saying, oh, you'll have to ask

700
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so and so.

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Speaker 6: You know what, Kyle, deal with it. Yeah, it's very interesting.

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do you handle some of the highs and lows of

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00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,880
a game like this?

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00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: Good question.

713
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:43,279
Speaker 7: It's it's part of the deal. And you know, you

714
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,559
go from elation to devastation in a seven day period

715
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,519
of time and back and forth. And but that's what

716
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,319
you sign up for. I mean, that's the nature of

717
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:53,599
this business.

718
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 3: Yep, you sign up for it.

719
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: And look, it's hard to stay on top of the

720
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,920
mountain in college football, man. And if you have an

721
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,119
expectation to staying on top of the mountain, like guys,

722
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,199
it's a new it's a whole new world, man. It's

723
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,800
it's difficult to stay on top of the There's a

724
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,440
reason why Nick Saban is no longer in this football world,

725
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,679
and he's not wanting to get back into it, right,

726
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:20,280
you not want to get back into this.

727
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: He knows the parody.

728
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: He knows that you cannot create a monopoly, you cannot

729
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,119
be at the top of the mountain for long in

730
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,320
this colle football world.

731
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,599
Speaker 3: Look at Texas Tech. Look.

732
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's theory was also brought to its knees because

733
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,880
he said, look, yeah, you pay the most, you win

734
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880
the most. Texas Tech just lost to ASU on the road,

735
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,800
and even Kenny Dillingham had stated that before, like, hey,

736
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,920
like they spent a lot of money, they've done a

737
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,159
really good job and all these things. Then they beat

738
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,880
them at home, Texas Tech they beat them, So there's

739
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,920
there's cannibalism everywhere. Anybody could lose in colle football, even

740
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,639
when you spend a lot of money, because you still

741
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,719
have to delve into your debt and it's hard to

742
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,639
build qualitative depth when they're going into the portal. Your

743
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,280
second stringers that didn't get enough playetime want to start

744
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:07,880
at another institution.

745
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:09,039
Speaker 6: They do.

746
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,119
Speaker 2: They want to get more playing time and they're gonna

747
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:12,440
get paid pretty well to do it.

748
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: So it's hard to build depth there.

749
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: Look, these highs and lows are nowhere near over. You

750
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,639
just brought up Texas Tech lost to Arizona State. So

751
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,599
now Texas Tech as of right now in the standings

752
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,719
is fourth place, Arizona State is fifth, the Utah is

753
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,320
down there I think at the eighth spot. Guess what

754
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,440
I hate to be the boogeyman for BYU fans Utah

755
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:38,760
is by no means out of this. BYU still controls

756
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,199
their destiny and they control the one spot to win

757
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,559
the Big Twelve. But as we know, anything goes in

758
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,719
the Big Twelve, anything can happen.

759
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,679
Speaker 6: Look at last year. If that wasn't.

760
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 5: Evident enough for you, BYU is not out of the

761
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800
woods yet. There is a world where they could see

762
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Utah in this Big Twelve title game. We still got

763
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,320
a lot of ball left to be played.

764
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,679
Speaker 6: This thing is not ad.

765
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: You imagine have BYU and Utah. We discussed that in

766
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,320
the preseason, where like there's a there's a universe in

767
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,840
which BYU and Utah played twice this year, once in

768
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,760
the regular season, once in Arlington.

769
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 6: That's what happened with Georgia and Texas last year.

770
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: Could happen guys?

771
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 6: Uh?

772
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: You know? Do you hope it does? I don't know.

773
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: It depends on what type of world do you want

774
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,840
to live in. Man, it would be electric, it'd be

775
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,800
pretty crazy. Joe Klatt would love it, you know.

776
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,639
Speaker 6: He'd be picking in that game once again, picking against

777
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:34,159
the Koogs.

778
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,599
Speaker 5: He needs that to happen to validate everything he's been

779
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,000
saying I was wrong. Well, yeah, I know they lost

780
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,119
the right nice season, but I knew that was day

781
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:41,639
wouldn't win.

782
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: It counted day one way. This is my Pack twelve,

783
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,639
you know, my Pac twelve specialist Joe Klatt on the line. Anyway,

784
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,400
what what got away from the defense specifically in the

785
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:53,960
fourth quarter.

786
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was disappointing and we took the lead

787
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,480
seventeen to fourteen, and then just seemed like in the

788
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,559
blink of an they were back in the lead at

789
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,360
twenty one seventeen. You know, we didn't play the quarterback

790
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,159
run get a QB draw really was damaging. Was at

791
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,960
third and a lot and he got the QB draw

792
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,840
down there in the red zone. So we just didn't

793
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,000
play as well as we needed to.

794
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 2: One of the underrated elements of this game. There was

795
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,000
a lot of mistackles from Utah and there were misplays

796
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,079
from Utah. I'll tell you guys time and time again,

797
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,599
the home field advantage for BYU extends even farther than

798
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:38,960
the twelfth man in the roar of the Cougars, which

799
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,719
we saw. We experienced that multiple infractions pre snap, heading

800
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,880
in and going out. We need the entire stadium to

801
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,719
be as loud as the rock though, just if you

802
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,920
really want to create a bit advantage, okay, and that'd

803
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,480
be tough to do because fans are there for entertainment,

804
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,920
not to be standing on their feet.

805
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: You know.

806
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 5: I will say I was in the north end zone

807
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,719
and everybody was on their feet the entirety of the game.

808
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: There was no sitting.

809
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,159
Speaker 5: That's why I don't know what the sides were like,

810
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,400
but I can speak for my North end zone.

811
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 6: Dude.

812
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,599
Speaker 5: There is nothing that gets a crowd fired up then

813
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,559
when a team false starts, because look, as a as

814
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,719
a fan, you can't really do a whole lot. But

815
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,519
when the other team fall starts, you feel like you

816
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,119
contributed to the game, and all that makes you do

817
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,800
is want to be louder.

818
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: And I think the fans did a great job. The

819
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,519
other component of home field advantage is knowing you're playing surface,

820
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:35,960
and we harp on that a lot here on this

821
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,679
show because I am a playing surface guy.

822
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm a shoewear guy.

823
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: And Utah was slipping a whole heck of a lot

824
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,760
more than Buy You was last night on that run

825
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,880
by bear bachmer watch the free player free runner slip

826
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,119
fall on his tush, okay, fall in his there. That's

827
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,639
why you gotta you gotta know you're playing surface. That's

828
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:02,800
what home field advantage is all about. All right, getting

829
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,360
back to it. Though, Utah's lost Street three straight, now, Kyle,

830
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,360
does that influence your decision to come back and coach

831
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,840
in this rivalry game once again?

832
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: No?

833
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 7: No, we won nine in a row before that, so

834
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,880
I'm you know, we're still on the very plus side

835
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,880
of that ledger.

836
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,599
Speaker 2: Which is true, very much on the plus side of

837
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,519
that ledger. He's eleven and six all time in the rivalry.

838
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842
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,880
Utah are in the same conference and Kyle Whittingham is

843
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,199
the coach, do you know what his win loss record

844
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,920
is versus BYU.

845
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 6: He's three and five, three wins, five losses.

846
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:58,159
Speaker 2: When BYU and Utah are in the same conference, he's

847
00:39:58,199 --> 00:39:59,400
got a losing record.

848
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: Why that be? Why would that be? Well?

849
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: Even playing field right when you were in the Mountain

850
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:16,199
West from five, you know to twenty and ten, they

851
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,440
were three and three, so fifty percent right, and that

852
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,519
was pretty common nineteen ninety to twenty ten. It was

853
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,880
right down the middle, whether it was John McBride, sorry

854
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:35,360
John McBride coach McBride right of Utah, Urban Meyer was

855
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,079
pretty dominant and then Coweningham took over.

856
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 6: From twenty and ten to present.

857
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,199
Speaker 2: Though we've seen, you know, obviously BYU come back in

858
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,719
with three straight wins.

859
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one is when the the.

860
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: Max Hall curse was was broken, and now Utah has

861
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,960
to break the USA Poo Poo curse.

862
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do that.

863
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,039
Speaker 2: I don't know how we had Jared Hall start for

864
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,440
US in twenty twenty one to break the Maxhall curse.

865
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,679
I don't know if you need another quarterback with the

866
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,920
last name Huntley to break the curse. But the USO

867
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,079
Poo Poo postgame curse is still in effect, and Kyle

868
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:22,159
Whitningham's now three and five in the rivalry game when

869
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,039
BYU and Utah are a part of the same conference

870
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,320
the last two go rounds, BYU is a Big twelve

871
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,599
member twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five.

872
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: Before that, in the Mountain West three and three that

873
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,239
you have it.

874
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,079
Speaker 6: That is the stat that they don't want you to know.

875
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,079
Speaker 3: That's sat.

876
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,079
Speaker 5: They don't lie that that break yor Mark doesn't want

877
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,599
you to know that college football that doesn't want doesn't

878
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:45,199
want you to know.

879
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,159
Speaker 6: Klatt definitely doesn't want you to know that. Sad. That

880
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,159
is pretty incredible.

881
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,039
Speaker 5: I didn't know that, but honestly, it makes sense because

882
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,559
it would be like if Georgia or Alabama had a

883
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:01,320
rivalry with a team that was in the American or

884
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,480
in the Sun Belt. And I'm not trying to disrespect

885
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840
to BYU, but let's be honest. It's easier to recruit

886
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,320
when you're in a power for conference. It's harder to

887
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,239
recruit when you're an independent. It's almost like trying to

888
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
tell someone to go from their big job to go

889
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,639
down to your startup with someone they don't know. It's like, yeah,

890
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,480
but I have a guaranteed thing here. I understand your

891
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,559
upside might be higher, but this is a guaranteed thing.

892
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,440
I don't know that I want to go there. Utah

893
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,000
dominated the rivalry when they were in the Pac twelve

894
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,280
and when they could say to other school other recruits, hey,

895
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:34,039
those guys don't have a conference.

896
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,559
Speaker 6: They do have an honor code.

897
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 5: There's no reason for you to go there now that

898
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,119
they're on an even playing field.

899
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 6: Like you said, it's really hard to dominate this rivalry.

900
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. A couple last things here, can

901
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,719
you walk us through Kyle that muff pump what happened?

902
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, he talked to him, Mona, and you're a very

903
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,599
prideful young man and it cares tremendously about the team

904
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:07,039
and his role. And he just felt the ball was floating.

905
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,800
As exact words, he thought it was coming deeper and

906
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,519
it wasn't. It took a nose guy, he said, just

907
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:14,280
as all of a sudden he just dipped and caught

908
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,159
him by surprise and consequently mishandled it.

909
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: Hey, that's Sam Vanderharr and that Australian style punting baby.

910
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,159
Shout out to Sam vander Horr and his drop ball.

911
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,280
How much did the loss of lander pardon hurt you,

912
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,480
guys kywitting him?

913
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 7: Well, he's a really good player, so I certainly didn't help.

914
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,719
But the refs took a look and thought it was targeting,

915
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,800
and so it was, you know, it was the end

916
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,639
of the Landers night. But yeah, he's a really good player.

917
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,119
You don't want to be without, you know, any of

918
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:44,000
your good player.

919
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: It must have been frustrating when you had bear Bachmeier sacked.

920
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,280
You thought you had him sacked, and then it turns

921
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,719
into penalty yardage.

922
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: Pontificate on that exactly, exactly. That was a huge swing.

923
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 7: Events we had the sack and the had them behind

924
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,440
the sticks, or would have had them behind the sticks,

925
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,920
and then Landra had to come clean it up and

926
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,000
got a called. Like I said, it was, you know,

927
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,519
I guess it was. It was questionable for where it

928
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,119
was or not, but they decided it was.

929
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,519
Speaker 6: So was it questionable?

930
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,199
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think.

931
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 5: I don't think so it was not question And I

932
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,559
also just don't like that from Kyle. If fans want

933
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:28,639
to say that cool, but there was no they didn't

934
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,840
ask you. Was it the right call if they had

935
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,840
asked you that, and then you want to say it's questionable.

936
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,519
I can live with that. That feels like I'm really

937
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,559
frustrated about this and I let it get out of hand,

938
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,760
so I'm calling it questionable.

939
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,159
Speaker 3: I don't think that was necessary.

940
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 6: All right? They go last thing, actually this move to fourteen.

941
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there were any similarities between this

942
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,000
game and the Texas Tech Game.

943
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 7: Well, not to the extent of that one. That one

944
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,440
was much more dramatic in the way it happened. You know,

945
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,800
we eventually we closed twenty four twenty one, so we

946
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000
had a a shot at the end. We didn't execute

947
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:07,079
the on side kicked very well, but at least we

948
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,599
had a shot at the end, and whereas in the

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Texas Tech Game, we we didn't have a shot.

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Speaker 6: Thought about it.

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Speaker 2: He's like, like I said, as far as compliments are concerned,

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he called them highly ranked, you know, a highly ranked

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football team. And then you heard it right there. It's like,

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you know, we actually had a shot in this one. Well,

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we actually had a shot in this one versus this team.

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That's as good as you're gonna get. With compliments from

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from k Kyle Whittingham.

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Speaker 5: Not if Kalana kicks the field goal instead of owing

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it to Chase Roberts.

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Speaker 6: True true, true, All right, let's go to break, guys.

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