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Gaesy Bundy Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK every 24 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.359 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 25 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.640 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 26 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.879 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 27 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:45.599 On January seventh, nineteen ninety four, residents of the Berkshire 28 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.640 Hills woke up to a typical snowy winter day in 29 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.480 the majestic woods of western Massachusetts. The quaint New England towns, 30 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.359 that idyllic scenery, and the people who lived there could 31 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:00.280 have stepped out of a Norman Rockwell painting as an 32 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:05.159 imaginable evil converged on them, appalled that would be cast 33 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.879 over the region and its inhabitants for years to follow. 34 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:10.879 That day, a trial was beginning for a college student 35 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.000 who celebrated his eighteenth birthday by purchasing an assault rifle, 36 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:20.000 then opening fire on campus, killing two and wounding four others. Elsewhere, 37 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.520 two young girls were accosted in the changing room at 38 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:26.680 the local pool. Another young girl narrowly escaped being abducted 39 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.599 at dunpoint on her way to school, her quick thinking 40 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.400 resulting later in profound repercussions. Regarding the case of a 41 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.960 young boy who vanished from a strip mall, baffling law enforcement, 42 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.560 his body discovered three years earlier by deer hunters in 43 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.000 a remote wooded area two hundred miles away. All these 44 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.879 events appeared unrelated, but it seemed to police agencies and 45 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:52.240 local residents that the world had suddenly gone mad. After all, 46 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.240 they told each other, these things don't happen here. In chilling, 47 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:00.599 dramatic narrative, Hidden Demons, Evil Visits a small New England 48 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.759 Town by Marjorie Metzger details these events and reveals a 49 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.039 savage serial killer who lurked in the shadows, but the 50 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.120 bravery of a father and daughter and the remarkable work 51 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.599 of law enforcement officers would turn the table. The book 52 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:18.080 that we're featuring this evening is Hidden Demons. Evil Visits 53 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.360 a Small New England Town with my special guest author, 54 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.759 Marjorie B. Metzger. Welcome to the program, and thank you 55 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.479 for this interview. Marjorie B. 56 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.439 Metzger, Hi Dan, thank you for inviting me. 57 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.319 Thank you so much, and congratulations on this extraordinary book, 58 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:37.439 Hidden Demons. Let's talk about right away, just briefly, how 59 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.039 you came to be the author and why you wanted 60 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.560 to be the author of this book, Hidden Demons. 61 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.360 This is the first book that I have written. I 62 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.319 am not a writer by training. I'm a social worker 63 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:52.439 and mediator retired from that. But I was friendly with 64 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.759 the police officer and his daughter that are mentioned in 65 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.080 the book that I see as heroes. A number of 66 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:02.000 years ago they told me about the January seventh, nineteen 67 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:04.680 ninety four when each of them nay have a criminal 68 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:06.800 and it was quite a unique story that this was 69 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.199 a father and daughter event that they both rap somebody 70 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.520 on the same debt. So years later, when I was 71 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.520 retired and I had a little time on my hands, 72 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.480 I thought, you know, this is really an interesting story 73 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.360 and I'd like the world to know about it. And 74 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:22.800 that's when I decided to write the book Color Audience. 75 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:27.360 About Berkshire County, you'd say Massachusetts population around one hundred 76 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.439 and fifty thousand and thirty towns in two cities, specifically 77 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.839 a magnet, a beautiful magnet for the ultra wealthy, and 78 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.360 one of those cities is Pittsfield, about forty to fifty thousand. 79 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.120 Tell us a little bit more about Berkshire County before 80 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.839 we talk about January seventh, nineteen ninety four. As you 81 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.800 mentioned at the Reed Middle School and around just before 82 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:48.439 seven am. 83 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.720 Berkshire County is located extreme western part of Massachusetts. It 84 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.120 is right over the line from New York State. It 85 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.519 has a lot of natural beauty. There are lakes hills, 86 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.600 there's skiing, there's a lot of family recreational stuff, and 87 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:09.399 it is the mecca of cultural activities. In the summertime, 88 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.600 there's Tanglewood, which is a summer home of the Boston 89 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:18.839 Symphony Orchestra. There are three theater groups, there's Shakespeare and Company, 90 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.360 there's Jacob's Pillow Dance Festival. There's just more things than 91 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.240 anybody could possibly do in the summertime, so it's really 92 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.920 a wonderful place. And in the winter time we have 93 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:31.480 ski areas, so people come up to ski and in 94 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.879 the fall people come to see the beautiful foliage. So 95 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.319 it is really a lovely place and it has always 96 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.279 been known as a wonderful place to raise children because 97 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:45.399 it's not heavily trafficked and it's just got a lot 98 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.759 of natural beauty with lakes, a lot of hiking. You 99 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.639 can do a lot of outdoor activities, and it's really 100 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.199 a wholesome place for children to grow up in families. 101 00:05:54.920 --> 00:06:00.600 Now, in contrast to this idyllic scenario you portrayed unwary seventh, 102 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:05.240 nineteen ninety four to Reed Middle School around six fifty five. 103 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:10.240 You write that A William Mullett noticed a truck near 104 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.800 where he was working. Just tell us what he saw 105 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.920 and what he later reported to police. 106 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.680 He was bringing his son to school, dropping him off, 107 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.600 and it was not an unusual thing for him to do, 108 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.759 but he noticed that there was a truck lurking by 109 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.639 the side of the school and he was a little suspicious. 110 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:30.399 He asked his son if he had ever seen this 111 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.160 truck before or the man in it. So I said no, 112 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.399 he had never seen him before. As soon as the 113 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.800 man noticed that they were looking at him, he just 114 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.360 sort of hid his face and then drove off. It 115 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.600 looked a little suspicious the way he got nervous. It 116 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.959 seemed that he got nervous when somebody noticed him. 117 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:52.600 There was another groundskeeper at the Berkshire Hilton around seven am, 118 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.120 and he was a guy Harris was shoveling snow on 119 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.120 the sidewalk. What did he witness? 120 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.560 What did he see? Well, first let me tell you 121 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.879 about how this progressed. This man in the truck apparently 122 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.600 had been coming south on Route seven. Root seven is 123 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.560 the road that runs the whole length of Massachusetts and 124 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:19.120 it runs between Williamstown and Pittsfield. So this man was 125 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.000 coming south. Apparently he stopped at Reed Middle School, then 126 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.360 made a left, continuing south until he came to the 127 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.639 center of Pittsfield. At that time, he was in the 128 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.560 area of just the exact center of town. At that time, 129 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.040 there was a rotary where north, south, East, and West 130 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.079 streets all came together, so it was exactly the center 131 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.000 of town. So it's early in the morning and he's 132 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.120 driving his truck up West Street and he goes past 133 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.160 what was then Berkshire Hilton and he's driving very slowly. 134 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.480 Now it was a very snowy morning, and you know, 135 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.079 people around here know how to drive in the snow. 136 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.480 But as the man that was working at the hilton 137 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:04.160 realized this truck was going unusually slow, and the man 138 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.959 went around the corner, came back around, and he did 139 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.639 the same thing again. Now it just looked a little 140 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.480 suspicious to him, and he got, you know, just noted 141 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.279 it and in the back of his mind that it 142 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.439 just looked a little suspicious, and he went ahead. Was 143 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.600 clear across the street. From that, a man named Ken 144 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.959 Card was got up early. He took his wife to 145 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.000 work because he didn't want her driving in the snow, 146 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.279 and he was snow plowing the sidewalk. Now, the sidewalk 147 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.240 went from where the bank was on the corner it 148 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.000 was also housed the District Attorney's office and down the 149 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.639 sidewalk down West Street past KB Toy headquarters. So at 150 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.039 that time he wanted just to get it cleared before 151 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.679 everybody came into work. So that's the setting of what 152 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:48.840 was happening early in the morning. 153 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.039 You right, that at around seven am, Rebecca or they 154 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.120 called her Becky Savarice. She's a seventh grader and she 155 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.399 was twelve years old and lived with her single mom, 156 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:01.440 Christine Pioli. Each morning, Rebecca would make the one mile 157 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.159 trek to the middle school through downtown Pittsfield with her 158 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.559 backpack and her earplugs in her walkman at that time, 159 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.080 and she'd make this daily walk. So what happens along 160 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:12.639 the way. 161 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:16.519 Well, she's doing her normal route. She's walking. If you 162 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.559 couldn't just picture this, it's a main road, it's West Street. 163 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.240 She goes past the Big Supermarket, which is the big 164 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.840 wy she'd passed the Salvation Army. Then the big why. 165 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:30.000 She's going up the hill past KB Toys and she 166 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.120 sees this man that you know, she doesn't really pay 167 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.200 attention to him, but he looks, as she said, a 168 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.679 little nerdy. And the next thing she knows, the man 169 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.360 is standing beside her with a gun in her ribs, 170 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.840 and he has a shirt over his hand to cover 171 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.919 the gun, and he tells her to keep walking. I 172 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:50.799 want you to walk up to the corner with me, 173 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.840 and I want you to get in the truck. So 174 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.080 first she thought he was kidding, and then she realized 175 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.639 that this was no joke and her mother had always 176 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.440 told her. Because her mother knew she was walking by 177 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:05.720 herself to school, she said, if you ever approached by 178 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.840 a stranger, do anything you can to get away. Scream, 179 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.639 kick by, do anything. So Rebecca instinctively, and I don't 180 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.320 know how she thought to do this under these circumstances, 181 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.679 she faked an asthma attack and she said to the man, 182 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.519 could I just sit down for a second. And just 183 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.159 in the second that she went down, just a little bit, 184 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.840 she was able to free her arms from the backpack 185 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.559 that apparently he was holding, and she took off running. 186 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.399 Ken Cart was still out snow blowing. She ran up 187 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.080 to him and he took her in and they immediately 188 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:42.480 called the police. But what this man that tried to 189 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.360 abduct her did not realize that there was somebody parked 190 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.759 at the light and he saw the whole thing. At first, 191 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.639 he thought it was just a father and daughter having 192 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:54.320 an argument, but when he saw the girl break away, 193 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.200 he knew something wasn't right. So he looked at this 194 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.600 man and saw the man's face and got in his 195 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.919 truck and he realized that somebody saw him and what 196 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:07.519 he did, which really made this a person that saw 197 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.200 the incident suspicious. He drove on this man's right and 198 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.639 went through two red lights, and the guy said he 199 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.440 knew something then that something was really wrong, so he 200 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.759 said he tried to chase the guy. The light turned 201 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.440 and he couldn't continue to follow him, So then he 202 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.080 was looking to call the police, and he found a 203 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.919 police officer that was nearby, and at the same time 204 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.960 that Ken Carr was calling into the police station, this 205 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.360 police officer was also calling in, so the police station 206 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.879 knew something was really going on when they got two 207 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:39.360 calls about the same incident. 208 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.759 Now you say that they got an identic kit to 209 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:46.720 me composite drawing, and so they got Rebecca and they 210 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.159 were very surprised, and to say the least, they were 211 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.279 very surprised by her demeanor and her composure. In fact, 212 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.000 when they found some corroborating evidence to her story, they 213 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.120 were amazed. Actually, thanksplain well. 214 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.279 The police officer who was identifying her and had a 215 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:09.840 lot of experience working with children, and her reaction to 216 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.759 all this just seemed very different from anything he had 217 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:19.000 experienced before. I think that the adrenaline sort of had 218 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:23.360 kicked in, but she was smiling, she was it hadn't 219 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:27.240 fully hit her yet apparently, And when he found out 220 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.519 in fact that this really did happen to the girl, 221 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.799 he was quite surprised by the way she was reacting. 222 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.000 But once he got her talking and he was able 223 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.639 to get much more detail as to what actually did 224 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.960 take place. Once she gave him her story about what happened, 225 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.639 they called in somebody from the district attorney's office to 226 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:54.000 come and do a composite. In those days, they had 227 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.919 what they called an identic kit, and the police officers 228 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.960 called it mister potato head because what they would do 229 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.840 was they take different parts like the eyes and put 230 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.639 them together, put the nose together, and they work from 231 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.679 the top down. They'd start with the hair and then 232 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.720 they do the eyes and nose, the noun. And Rebecca 233 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:15.320 was very composed and was very very helpful in putting 234 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.960 this together. So the whole time that she was with 235 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.559 the police, she was a stellar witness to what was 236 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.919 going on, telling her story and helping to draw up 237 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:26.600 a composite. 238 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:32.039 Right away, you introduced District Attorney Gerard Downing and Berkshire 239 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:36.279 County and First Assistant David Capeless. But they're involved in 240 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.519 a notorious killer's trial and named Waynelow. Before we get 241 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:47.360 to that, we have this detective Owen Boyington also introduced, 242 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.960 and we also have this person named Russell Davis. There 243 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.919 was a witness that got witness to the abduction but 244 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.080 also keenly was able to recall three of the numbers 245 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.559 of the license plate. Didn't know if it was the 246 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.399 first three or the last three. But from that police 247 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.600 had a really good lead to investigate, didn't they. 248 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:07.879 Well, you know, things just kind of fell into place 249 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.159 at that time. Russell Davis didn't usually work the night shift, 250 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.720 but he was filling in right before he left there 251 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.519 was an emergency and he had his glasses on. He 252 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:19.639 was probably exhausted, came out of work and you have 253 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.919 to imagine, you know, he's in the hospital, there's all 254 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.240 this going on. It's hot, and then he says, last 255 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.559 of cold air as he comes out into a Berkshire 256 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.639 morning where it's snowing. He forgot to take off his glasses, 257 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.679 so he's driving and when he was stopped at the light, 258 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.279 fortunately had his glasses on so he could see very clearly. 259 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.200 He was looking through the rearview mirror when he caught 260 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.399 three numbers of the license. He probably could have caught 261 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.200 more if the guy hadn't taken off driving, but he 262 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.240 was unsure with the mirror image whether it was the 263 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.600 first three numbers or the last three numbers. But at 264 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.039 least he was able to give the police three numbers 265 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:54.559 of the license. 266 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.720 Now, from that it leads to some good police work. 267 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.720 But they look to the neighboring cities of Lanesboro, and 268 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.720 in Lanesboro they find somebody with the vehicle registered named 269 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.519 Philip Shaley's. Now tell us who Philip Shally's is and 270 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.200 what happens with Detective Boyington and detectives or Officer Sorell 271 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.679 when they go to question them, what did they find 272 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.840 out from Bill Sally's which is quite a bit of information. 273 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.159 Well, let's back up, because they didn't finish answering your 274 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:28.159 other question. Your other question was about the DA. At 275 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:32.639 the time, District Attorney Gerard Downing and his assistant David 276 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:38.120 Capelists were handling the biggest case since they had since 277 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.360 Gerard Downing had taken over as DA. I mean, this 278 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.960 was really big, the way Low case. It was one 279 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.559 of the first, not the first campus shootings. Blame Low 280 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.639 was an eighteen year old. He turned eighteen that day. 281 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:55.679 He had had ammunition sent to the door and when 282 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.000 question about it, he said, oh, it's a Christmas gift 283 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.720 for my father. Now, he couldn't even rent a car 284 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.159 because he was only eighteen, So he takes a cab 285 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.320 from Great Barrington, which is south Pittsfield, probably about a 286 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.159 half hour south into Pittsfield to a gun shop, buys 287 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.120 a gun semi automatic, goes back and shoots up the campus. 288 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:22.120 So this was the first day of well, actually the 289 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.559 second day of the trial. First day was jury selection 290 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.720 and Downing and Caples were surprised that they were able 291 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.120 to accomplish that one day. So on that Friday, the seventh, 292 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.120 they had what was called the view. So the jury 293 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:38.879 en Maass went down to Simon's Rock College to walk 294 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.919 the campus and to see where everything took place. When 295 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.399 they finished it around noontime, they took the jury to 296 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:50.200 a nice lunch at the Red Lion in Stockbridge, but 297 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.440 Capeless Downing had to get back to the offices. They 298 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.440 really had to prepare for their case on Monday. I mean, 299 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.480 this was a huge trial. It's taking place in Springfield, 300 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.519 not in Field. When they get to the office, the 301 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.200 woman Driscoll, Patty Driscoll, who had done the composite with 302 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.359 RecA Savarriice, goes into the office and said there was 303 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:14.559 an attempt at kidnapping. And at first Downing said, oh, yeah, 304 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.160 was she late for school and said no, it really happened. 305 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.640 There was a witness and it happened. He said, well, 306 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:21.680 where did it happen. She walked to the window and 307 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.839 said right there. So it was right under the DA's office. 308 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:30.000 So now the DA not only had this huge case, 309 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:34.319 but they had this kidnapping attempt at kidnapping and it 310 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.519 also happened that Rebecca Savaice was a classmate of Downing's son, 311 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.079 so it was hitting very close to home for him absolutely. 312 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.960 And now I will jump to your other part of 313 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:48.440 your next question, and that is Phil Shalli's. Phil Shalli's 314 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:53.720 was a man who was a car mechanic, an auto mechanic, 315 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.720 but he was blind. He started in high school and 316 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.319 he had a disease that was progressive, so he could 317 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.799 see a little bit then, but as he got older 318 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.039 he lost his vision. But he was really good with 319 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.319 cars and he could feel his way around the car. 320 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.680 And eventually nobody would hire him because he was a risk, 321 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:20.079 an insurance risk. So he opened his own garage at 322 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.480 his home and this man, and it happened to be 323 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:29.400 the man that attempted this kidnapping, befriended him. Somebody told 324 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.559 him that Schalis worked on cars and he had an old, 325 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.279 broken down van and he needed somebody to work on 326 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.920 the van. So he went to Challis and they decided 327 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.039 to kind of trade. He would work on his van 328 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:46.480 and this man would help Shallis do tasks around the house. 329 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.640 He had some heavy work that he was doing on 330 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.599 the construction on the foundation of his house and this 331 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.839 man offered to help him and it was a godsend. 332 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.319 I mean, Shaalis was thrilled to have this guy them 333 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.440 and he also could drive them around. He could use 334 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.000 his truck. He could drive them around because Sill couldn't 335 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.799 drive the truck. So he was thrilled to have the sky. 336 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.119 But this morning the guy showed up unusually early to 337 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.839 his house and he parked he had barred Phil's truck 338 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.680 because his van was being serviced, parked Phils truck in. 339 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.960 There were two driveways. The lower driveway threw some snow 340 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.960 on it kind of camouflage it, and then you know, 341 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.119 went to the other driveway and started shoveling so that 342 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:32.960 people could get out. There were other people that lived 343 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.880 in the house with the challises and they had to 344 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.799 get to work, so he started shoveling out. It was 345 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.640 just unusual. Then he showed up at that hour and 346 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.400 they were wondering what happened, but you know, they didn't 347 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:45.720 really think all that much of it. 348 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:49.880 Now you talk about Detective Boyington and Officer Sorell coming 349 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.640 to the address, there's other people there. There's Sarah and 350 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.160 Eleanor and a man named Chester forfa and he also 351 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:00.960 uses Chester's or Chet's vehicles sometimes as well. But the 352 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:05.039 police ask Bill and the family if anybody's used the vehicle, 353 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.000 so they tell him about lewis Land, don't they. 354 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:13.200 After this incident with the kidnapping, all the detectors were 355 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.559 called in early before they're shift, and they're all sent 356 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:19.759 out to different quadrants of Pittsfield to try to locate 357 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:24.119 this truck. So Owen had one section of Pittsfield. He 358 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.720 didn't find anything. He scoured it and they were all 359 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.960 scouring their quadrants of the city and he just said, 360 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.359 you know, maybe I should go over to Lanesboro. He 361 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.680 doesn't know why he thought he should go there, but 362 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.000 he just said it was, you know, he just thought 363 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:39.640 he'd try it. So he got permission to go. And 364 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:42.720 as he's driving over, he goes past one of the 365 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.519 lakes and the snow is coming down. It's almost blinding 366 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.160 at this point, it's almost white out conditions. So he 367 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:53.680 goes over, you know, past the lake, makes a left 368 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:58.200 on to Root seven North Street and now he's in Lanesboro. 369 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.920 He's crossed over. But when he went into a different town, 370 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.359 he had to go to the police station as he's 371 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.359 going there. There's a street called Summer Street, which is 372 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.359 quite steep, and he looks up and he just thinks, 373 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:14.000 you know, in this weather, somebody's coming down. I don't 374 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.240 think they're going to be able to stop, and somebody 375 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.400 might get hurt, and they might just go right into 376 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:20.880 Route seven and hit somebody. So then it goes on 377 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:24.519 and probably about one hundred yards past that street, he 378 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.640 turns into the driveway of the police station in Lanesboro 379 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:32.559 and he tells Currell that he's into you know. He 380 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.279 gives them a composite drawing. Sorell says, I've already gone out. 381 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.960 I got the beyond the alert for this, and I 382 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.720 didn't see that truck anywhere. I went to the mall. 383 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.480 There's nothing in's parking lot there. I've gone around. So 384 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.839 Boyington says, well, he's turning around. He says he's going 385 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.200 to go back to Pittsfield. Well, as he turns around 386 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.079 to go south again, he doesn't know what made him 387 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.519 look up that street, Summer Street, that he had looked 388 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.839 up before. And he's not even on that side of 389 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.200 the road, he's on the opposite side. He looks up 390 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.279 and pulls sudden he sees his truck sticking out of 391 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.200 the house, the second house up on this hill, so 392 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:13.079 he decides to pull into this street. Now, in those 393 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.559 days they didn't have front wheel drive, the real drive, 394 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:18.960 so for him to get up this rather steep hill, 395 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.200 he was fish tailing and it was not easy. But 396 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:25.039 he sees this truck parked in the driveway and it's 397 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.480 the black or dark blue. They couldn't really tell the 398 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.640 difference at that point, and it had three upper license 399 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.000 plate numbers that he knew of that they were looking for. 400 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.359 So he turns around. Of course, he can't do anything 401 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.480