Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the NYPD detective giving the
Maxwell grand jury testimony in New York. Question if you
could please turn to the next slide, this is on
page twenty seven. It says, are these also excerpts from
that same deposition? Answer? Yes, question again, I'll read the question.
If you could please read the answers. Question other than
yourself and the blonde and brunette that you have identified
as having been involved in three way sexual activity, with
whom did mister Epstein have sexual activities? There's an objection
from the lawyer. Answer, I wasn't aware that he was
having sexual activity with anyone when I was with them
other than myself. Question I want to be sure that
I'm clear. Is it your testimony that in the nineteen
nineties and two thousands you are not aware that mister
Epstein was having sexual activities with anyone other than yourself
and the blonde and brunette on those few occasions when
they were involved with you. Answer, that is my testimony.
That is correct. Question Have you reviewed the deposition transcript? Answer? Yes,
question in full. Now, the excerpt we just read has
a reference to a blonde and brunette. Are those individuals
completely different from the individuals we've been talking about today? Answer? Yes. Question,
Just to be clear, is it correct that you testified
earlier that redacted and redacted told you that Epstein's sectually
abused them repeatedly? Is that correct? Answer? Yes? Question? And
did you also testify earlier that Maxwell was occasionally present
when Epstein was abusing redacted based on what she told you? Answer? Yes,
that's correct. Question. Turning to the next slide, Is this
also an excerpt from the same deposition answer I'm sorry, question,
I'm so sorry. Turning to the next slide on page
twenty eight, is this also an excerpt from the same deposition? Answer? Yes, question,
Thank you? Okay again, if we could just read that together,
I'll take the questions and you can take the answer. Question.
Let's just tie that down. Is it your testimony that
you've never given anybody a massage? Answer, I've not given
anyone a massage. Question You've never given mister Epstein a massage?
Is that your testimony? Answer? That's my testimony. Question You've
never gave redacted a massage. Is that your testimony? Answer?
I never gave redacted a massage. Question just to be clear,
as you testified earlier, is it correct that Redacted told
you that Maxwell gave her a massage when they were
in New Mexico. Answer yes. Question, We're going to stop
the read back there, ladies and gentlemen, let's take five
minutes of break. Then we'll come back and finish the
presentation in about five minutes. With the four persons permission,
I'll ask at the witness please be excused now they
come back from their little break and question. I have
placed in front of what has been marked as Grand
Jury Exhibit five. Do you recognize that I do? Answer? Question?
Is this a PowerPoint presentation concerning some of the facts
and evidence that you have gathered in your investigation? Answer yes.
Question did you participate in preparing this exhibit in connection
with your testimony today? Answer yes. Question, Then we're going
to have it up on the screen and we'll use
it as you testify during the course of this investigation.
Have you participated in multiple interviews with an individual name redacted?
Answer yes. Question did those interviews take place in the
year twenty twenty and the year twenty twenty one. Answer yes, question,
were there are approximately five of those interviews in total?
Answer yes. Question. For today's purposes, I'm going to refer
to her as redacted. Have you also reviewed reports from
other law enforcement interviews for redacted? Answer yes, question, and
is your testimony today based on both the review of
those reports and your personal participation in interviews with redacted?
Answer yes. Question. Turning to the next lide, are these
photographs of redacted? Answer? Yes? Question did redacted tell you
approximately how old she was in one of the photographs? Answer? Yes,
Question which photograph did she identify? Answer the one on
the right. Question where's the one on the right from
according to redacted? Answer? Oh, I'm sorry, that was from
her MySpace page. Question and how old did redacted recall
being in this photograph from her MySpace page? Answer sixteen
years old? Question what's Redacted's date of birth? Answer redacted?
Question where was redacted living when she was about fourteen
years old? Answer Wes Palm Beach. Question what was Redacted's
home life like when she was fourteen years old? Answer?
It was troubled. She grew up she had been molested
multiple times as a child. Her mother was addicted to
drugs and alcohol. Her parents were separated. She often fought
with her brother and her mother. Question when Redacted was
fourteen years old, did she have a boyfriend? Answer yes?
Question what was his name? Answer redacted? Question how old
was Redacted when they were dating when she was fourteen
years old? Answer approximately seventeen? Question, so was Redacted about
three years older then redacted? Answer yes. Question did there
come a time when Redacted learned of and met Jeffrey Epstein?
Answer yes. Question according to redacted, how did that happen?
Answer her boyfriend redacted was friends with someone name redacted
who was dating redacted. The four of them would often
hang out together. On one particular occasion, Redacted was asked
by them and redacted if she would like to make
some money by massage an older man. Question had it?
Redacted respond? Answer she agreed to it. Question about what
year does redacted or remember this conversation taken place? Answer
two thousand and one. Question, so how old was Redacted
at the time? Answer fourteen. Question during your investigation, you
learned of Redacted's date of birth? Answer yes. Question how
old was Redacted at the time of the conversation with redacted?
In two thousand and one about massage an old guy.
Answer seventeen. Question after that conversation was redacted? Did redacted
meet Epstein? Answer? Yes? Question what did redacted remember happening
the first time she met Epstein? Answer? She was brought
there by redacted. She recalls going in through the side
door and being introduced to Maxwell as they entered. Question
based on her interactions with Maxwell as she and redacted entered,
what was redacted's understanding of whether Redacted in Maxwell had
met before? Answer? She understood that they had met before.
Question what happened next? Answer? They went upstairs to the
massage room. They set up the massage room, waited for
Epstein to answer. At that point they participated in giving
a massage. Question had it redacted describe the massage room
in the Florida House? Answer? She described it as having
a few doors inside of it, some of them entering
a closet. She described their being like a bathroom basically
that had a sink inside of it, and inside of
the closet had a massage table which they had to
take out in order to set up. Question what if
any photographs did redacted or recall seeing in and around
the massage room. Answer she recalls nude photographs of Maxwell.
Question and other females answer yes. Question After Redacted and
Redacted had set up the massage table, what happened next? Answer?
Jeffrey Epstein came into the room. They massaged them. At
some point during the massage, he turned over and Redacted
got on top. They had sex, and Redacted set on
the couch and tried not to watch. Question According to redacted,
did Redacted and Jeffrey Epstein engage in sexual intercourse during
the massage? Answer yes. Question at the end of the massage,
What happened? Answer Jeffrey left, They got dressed and each
got paid, and they walked downstairs. They got paid three
hundred each. Question So to clarified, did Redacted and redacted
each received three hundred? Answer yes? Question and how did
they receive that money in what denomination? Answer a CRISP
one hundred dollars bill? Question After the first visit, did
Redacted go to Epstein's Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions
to provide sexualized massages to Jeffrey Epstein between two thousand
and one and two thousand and four. Answer yes. Question
approximately how many times does redacted estimate she massage Jeffrey
Epstein answer about one hundred times. Question do redacted memories
of the events at Epstein's residence run together after the
first visit with redacted? Answer yes. Question At some point
after her first or second visit to Epstein's residence, did
Redacted give her phone numbers to someone at Epstein's house?
Answer yes? Question after that, did Redacted go to Epstein's
house by herself without Redacted accompanying her? Answer yes. Question
after Redacted provided her phone number, how did she schedule
times to massage Epstein at his house? Answer she would
either call herself or she would receive a phone call.
Question did Redacted explain why she would call herself to
ask the schedule a time to massage Epstein? Answer yes,
At the time, she wanted to make more money so
she could buy drugs. Question During her time seeing Epstein,
did Redacted become addicted to certain drugs? Answer yes? Question
what drugs was she primarily using? Answer cocaine and marijuana.
Question when someone would call redacted to schedule her for
massages with Epstein? Who does Redacted or remember making most calls?
Answer Maxwell or Redacted? Question and were there are particular
time periods over the course of the years when redacted
was interacting with Epstein, that one one or the other
of those two individuals would call. Answer yes question. What
did redacted say about that? Answer? She recalled that for
the first time or first several months of going to Epstein's,
she would get calls primarily from Maxwell. After that she
would receive calls primarily from redacted, but at the same
time occasionally received calls from Maxwell. Question and did she
also remember receiving calls from other Epstein employees whose names
redacted did not know? Answer yes question. Did redacted refer
to Maxwell as Maxwell? Answer yes question? And then you
mentioned another person? What was the other person's name? Redacted? Question?
And did she primarily refer to redacted? Did redacted primarily
refer to redacted as redacted? Answer yes question? Who was redacted?
According to redacted? Answer? She was another employee of Epstein's.
She was an assistant who made phone calls, arranged massage appointments,
and took photographs when Maxwell would call redacted to schedule
massage appointments with Epstein. Did Maxwell evertel redacted where Maxwell
was calling from? Answer yes question, what did redacted or
remember about that. Answer, She recalls her saying that they
were in New York and that they would be traveling
to Florida at a certain time period and asking if
she would be available for that time when they return.
Question and when you say they would be in New York,
who is she referring to? Answer Epstein and Maxwell questions,
So did Redacted understand from those conversations that Maxwell and
Epstein at the time of those phone calls were in
New York? Answer yes. Question what phone numbers would Epstein
employees call the schedule appointments for Redacted to massage Epstein?
Answer they would call multiple phone numbers, including a redacted
cell phone, her mother's phone, her landline or her home line,
and her boyfriend's redacted number. Question how did Redacted get
to Epstein's residence for each massage appointment? Answer? She would
either be driven by her boyfriend, she would drive herself.
On occasion, even though she did not have a license,
she had been driven there by redacted, and also Epstein
or Maxwell would send him send her a cab to
be picked up. Question did redact it's boyfriend redacted ever
meet anyone at Epstein's house? Answer yes. Question what did
Redacted remember about that? Answer? She recalls that he met Epstein. Question,
what did she say about that? Answer? He met in
the driveway there was a car that Epstein was driving
at the time and that he was showing to Redacted,
and she recalls that Redacted really liked the car and
she had to hear about him liking about the car
for several days to weeks after that. All right, folks,
we're going to wrap up right here, and in the
next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this
episode where diving back to the grand jury testimony given
by the NYPD detective to the Maxwell grand jury in
New York. Question, when Redacted arrived at Epstein's house for
each appointment, what happened when she first arrived? Answer? She
would arrive through the side door and generally be greeted
by someone. Question would that be in the kitchen? Answer
yes question, Does she recall at times Maxwell being the
person who would greet her in the kitchen? Answer yes? Question?
After being greeted in the kitchen. What would Redacted do next? Answer?
She would go upstairs and arrange the massage room and
the massage table. Question. Once Redacted was in the massage room,
what happened during each appointment? Answer? Epstein would generally come out,
he would get on the table, she would begin her massage.
During the massage, she would flip over and she would
touch her breasts and buttocks. And she said that every
instance ended with Epstein ejaculating. Question What would Redacted be
wearing during those appointments? Answer? At first, she just started
wearing her underwear, but was told that she would make
more money if she would be completely nude, so she
started getting totally nude. Question and so after the first
few visits to Epstein's was she did it become Redacted's
practice to be fully nude during the massages? Answer yes.
Question On a few occasions during the massages, did Epstein
touch Redacted to vagina? Answer yes? Question On one occasion,
does Redacted or recall Epstein touching her vagina with a vibrator?
Answer yes question, and you mentioned that Redacted recalled each
massage she reformed for Epstein involved the sex act. Answer
yes question after each massage. What happened? Answer? Epstein would
get up, Redacted would go get dressed, She would get paid.
The money would generally be on the table or on
the sink, or she would go downstairs then be paid
by Maxwell. Question how much did Redacted recall being paid
for each massage? Answered three hundred dollars question in what denomination?
Answer one hundred dollars bills. Question. You mentioned that Redacted
would sometimes be greeted by Maxwell when she arrived at
Epstein's house. Earlier on in her visits to Epstein's wuld
Maxwell engage Redacted in conversation answer yes question. And then
later on, after Redacted started primarily being of a person
to schedule these appointments, would Maxwell still be present sometimes?
Answer yes question? But during those later periods, would Maxwell
primarily just say hello and not really have extended conversations
with Redacted? Answer yes question. During the earlier period, when
Redacted was going over to Epstein's pom Beach house, what
types of conversations does she recall having with Maxwell? Answer?
She talked with Maxwell about her home life. She talked
with Maxwell about her abuse that occurred when she was younger.
She recalled Maxwell asking about her her sexual experiences that
she'd had. She recalled Maxwell asking her if she used
a vibrator or a toy ever on herself. Question did
she also recall conversations about travel? Answer yes. Question I'd
like to go through each of those topics that Redacted
or recall discussing. First, what did redacted tell you and
Maxwell about Redacted's home life in response to Maxwell's questions? Answer?
She told her that she her mother was addicted to
drugs and that she had been molested several times as
a child. Question did she also tell Maxwell that the
parents were separated? Answer yes, Question you also mentioned sexual
topics coming up. What does redacted or recall about the
time or times when sexual topics came up with Maxwell? Answer?
Maxwell has asked her if she was sexually active. Redacted
had told her that she's currently sexually active with her boyfriend.
Maxwell asked her if she'd ever used a toy at
a pleasure herself, and she said no. Question did Redacted
or recall that the same day that Maxwell asked about
whether she had ever used a toy was the day
that Epstein placed a vibrator on Redacted's genitals during the massage.
Answer yes, question what did redacted or recall about conversations
with Maxwell about travel? Answer? She recalls that on multiple occasions,
Maxwell asked her if she wanted to travel, specifically overseas.
She had told her that she was fourteen years old
and that her mother wouldn't let her. Maxwell offered to
get her a passport so she'd be able to travel.
Question when you said that she told her that she
was fourteen years old, did you mean that Redacted told
Maxwell that Redacted was fourteen years old? Answer yes. Question
does redacted or recall these conversations took place when she
was about fourteen years old? Answer yes? Question does redacted
recall Maxwell saying specifically where Maxwell wanted Redacted to travel
with Epste? Answer no. Question did Epstein ever invite redacted
to travel with them? Answer yes? Question what did redacted
or remember about that? Answer? They were similar conversations where
she had told he had asked her if she would
like to travel, and she said that redacted had traveled
with them. She had told them that since she was
fourteen and likely her mother wouldn't let her travel. He
also offered to get her a passport. Question did her
redacted ever actually travel with Maxwell? And Epstein. Answer no. Question.
After Redacted told Maxwell and Epstein that she was fourteen
years old, did Maxwell still call her to schedule massage
appointments for Epstein? Answer yes. Question Did redacted still see
Maxwell at the Palm Beach residence after telling Maxwell that
she was fourteen years old? Answer yes. Question did Maxwell
ever see redacted naked? Answer yes. Question In particular, does
redacted or recall that there were between one and three
times when Maxwell saw her naked? Answer? Yes, question how
did that happen? According to redacted? Answer it happened in
the massage room. Question and was there one time in
particular when redacted recalls Maxwell touching her while redacted was naked?
Answer yes, question what it redacted remember about that? Answer?
She recalls being in the massage room undressing. Maxwell complimented
her body and then asked her if her breast were real,
at which point she touched her breast. Question and when
you say that she touched her breast, do you mean
Maxwell touch redacted's breast? Answer yes, question and on those occasions,
just to be clear, according to a redacted why was
she getting undressed in the massage room when Maxwell was present?
Answer for getting prepared for the massage with Jeffrey Epstein.
Question other than during her first visit or two with redacted?
Did redacted every particleipate massages with Epstein during which another
female was in the room? Answer yes. Question in particular,
does she recall two occasions when Epstein brought another girl
into the room? Answer yes. Question would you please describe
for the Grand Jerry what redacted or recalled about one
such occasion? Answer she recalled that the girl looked like
a model. She recalls at one point during the massage,
Jeffrey attempted to have sex with her. He slightly penetrated
her at least once or twice that she can recall.
She told him no, at which point he began to
have sex with the other female, and at the same
time she was performing oral on redacted. Question now, just
to clarify some of the pronouns there, you said that
Epstein attempted to penetrate or have sexual intercourse with her.
Do you mean that redacted or recalls that Epstein attempted
to penetrate Redacted's vagina with his penis. Answer yes, question,
does redacted or recall Epstein attempting to do that and
actually inserting his penis into her regina on one or
two occasions? Answer yes. Question and in response did a
redacted say no? Answer yes question and in response to that,
did Epstein then engage in sexual intercourse with the other girl?
Answer yes, question and at the same time was the
other girl performing oral sex unredacted? Answer yes. Question Was
there another instance where Epstein brought a different girl into
the room? Answer yes. Question what did redacted remember happening
during that other instance? Answer similar instance where Epstein would
have sex with the other female at the same time
while she was performing oral unredacted question, So Epstein would
have intercourse with the other girl and the other girl
would perform oral sex on redacted? Answer yes. Question Did
redact did ever bring other girls to massage Epstein? Answer yes.
Question why did she do that? Answer she was that
she could earn more money. Question who told her or
asked her to bring more girls? Answer both Jeffrey and Maxwell.
Question what in particular did they ask her to do?
Answer they asked if she could bring younger girls. Question
did he redacted in fact bring multiple girls over to
Epstein's house? Answer yes. Question can you remember the name
of every girl that she brought over? Answer no. Question
are there some examples and names that she remembers of
girls that Redacted brought over? Answer yes. Question what are
some examples? Answer redacted and redacted? Question according to redacted?
Was redacted younger than redacted? Answer yes? Question? And according
to redacted, was redacted about a year older than redacted?
Answer yes. Question when Redacted brought these girls withoud Epstein
engage in sex acts in the presence of both redacted
and the girls she had brought during the massages? Answer yes,
YEA question after each massage, would both redacted and the
girl get paid? Answer yes? Question how much did it
redacted or remember getting paid? Answer three hundred dollars? Questions
so did each redacted and the girl get three hundred?
Answer yes. Question did it redacted receive any gifts from Epstein?
Answer yes? Question did it redacted or receive any gifts
from Epstein? Answer yes. Question what's an example of some
of the gifts that she remembers receiving from Epstein? Answer flowers,
a book called Massage for Dummies, and Victoria's Secret Underwear.
Question does she recall receiving multiple packages of Victoria's Secret Lingerie?
Answer yes. Question before she first received Victoria's secret lingerie?
Did Maxwell ask her for her address and her brace eye?
Answer yes. Question how does Redacted remember receiving packages of
Victoria's secret underwear? Answer she recalls receiving them at her
house in West Palm Beach. Question and how would they
get to her house? Answer either FedEx or ups. Question
what if anything does Redacted or remember about the return
address on those packages? Answer she recalls it that they
stated that they were from New York. Question that she
remember whose name was on the return address? Answer she
recalls Jeffrey and Maxwell's name. What did a. Redacted do
with the money she made massaging Epstein? Answer? She used
it to purchase drugs? Question did she and her boyfriend
then use those drugs? Answer yes. Question did A Redacted
continue going to school after she met Epstein? Answer no?
Question about how old was she when she dropped out?
Answer about fourteen? Question was she in middle school when
she dropped out? Answer yes? Question so did Redacted ever
attend high school? Answer no? Question in or about two
thousand and three, did it redact it become pregnant with
her boyfriend's kid? Answer yes? Question did it Redacted continue
to massage Epstein after she became pregnant until she began
showing her pregnancy. Answer yes. Question did A. Redacted give
birth to her son in two thousand and four when
redacted was about seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question after
the birth of her son, did it redacted still massage
Epstein on a small number of occasions? Answer yes. Question
what did redacted tell you about that? Answer she was
doing it too, excuse me support the baby? Question was
that because she needed the money? Answer yes. Question have
you reviewed the proposed superseding indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit
number six? Answer It's not in front of me right now,
but I have reviewed it. Question have you reviewed the
proposed superseding indictment or would you like me to provide
you with the copy? Answer Yes, I have reviewed it.
Question is redacted the individual referred to as Minor four
in the proposed superseding indictment? Answer yes. Question Before you
began investigating Epstein and his associates, was there a prior
investigation by a different FBI office in Florida into Jeffrey Epstein. Yes.
Question During that investigation, was redacted interviewed in two thousand
and seven? Answer yes question, have you reviewed a report
from that interview? Answer yes. Question during that interview, did
a redacted describe providing numerous paid, sexualized massages to Epstein
at his Palm Beach residence when she was underage? Answer
yes question. Did redacted mention Maxwell at all during that interview?
Answer no. Question During the more recent interviews with her
in twenty twenty one, did a redacted explain why she
did not mention Maxwell during her two thousand and seven interview?
Answer yes, question, what did she say about that? Answer
she was not asked? Question she was not asked about Maxwell?
Answer correct question. Did she think that Maxwell was important
to the interview in two thousand and seven? Answer no. Question.
Did redacted to Jeffrey Epstein in approximately two thousand and eight?
Answer yes question. Was she deposed as part of that
lawsuit in two thousand and nine? Answer yes, question, have
you reviewed a transcript of that deposition? Answer yes. All right, folks,
we're going to wrap up this episode right here, and
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
description box. What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
get right back to that grand Jerry testimony given by
the New York Police Department detective to the Maxwell grand
jury in New York. Question during that deposition in two
thousand and nine, did Redacted state that Maxwell was one
of the people who would call her to schedule a
massage appointments with Epstein? Answer yes question. Was Redacted asked
any other question about Maxwell or any follow up questions
about Maxwell during that two thousand and nine deposition, Answer
no question. After that deposition, did the lawsuit settle? Answer
yes question During her more recent interview, did Redacted admit
that she lied during her two thousand and nine deposition,
Answer yes question, and in particular, in her twenty twenty
one interview, did Redacted tell you that after she stopped
seeing Epstein she began working for an escort service? Answer
yes question. During her twenty twenty one interview, did a
Redacted admit that is part of that escort service she
engaged and paid sex acts with men. Answer yes question now.
During her two thousand and nine deposition, was Redacted asked
about her time working for an escort service. Answer yes. Question.
Did she lie and claim that she had engaged in
no sex acts and only non sexual dates as part
of that escort service? Answer yes. Question. Did she explain
why she lied during her deposition? Answer yes question. What
did she say about that? Answer that she was embarrassed? Question?
Was she ashamed to admit that she had worked as
a prostitute during her deposition? Answer yes question. Has Redacted
struggled with drug addiction in the years since her time
with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes question. Did she in particular
become addicted to cocaine and crack cocaine? Answer yes question.
Was she also in a car crash after which she
was prescribed opioids? Answer yes question, and did she become
addicted to opioids? Answer yes question between the ages of
eighteen and twenty six. Was Redacted arrested and convicted on
multiple times, including misdemeanors and felonies for crimes arising out
of her drug use, such as drug possession and traffic violations.
Answer yes. Question. Her last felony and incident involving stolen
property when she pawned the next box that belonged to
one of redacted friends answer yes. Question As a result
of that conviction, did redacted spend several weeks in jail?
Answer yes. Question and was that the longest jail sentence
that she ever served? Answer yes. Question. After Redacted was
released from jail, did she go into drug treatment and
obtained mental health treatment? Answer yes? Question was that several
years ago? Answer yes? Question what is redacted do now?
Answer She's a stay at home mother? Question Is she married?
Answer yes, question to someone other than redacted? Answer yes.
Question Does she have three young children with her current husband?
Answer yes. Question does he work while she takes care
of the kids? Answer yes. Question has Redacted receive treatment
for depression anxiety, PTSD, and schizophrenia among other mental health issues?
Answer yes. Question As for her schizophrenia, does that manifest
and Redacted hearing voices telling her that someone's going to
take her children away and hurt her children? Answer yes.
Question does Redacted believe that that comes from a fear
that what happened to her as the child could happen
to her children? Answer yes. Question is Redacted able to
tell the difference between the voices and reality? Answer yes.
Question does she take medication to help her not hear
those voices. Answer yes. Question does Redacted currently take multiple
medications to help her manage her drug addiction and her
mental health issues? Answer yes. Question do those include methadone, Xenex,
and medical marijuana? Answer yes. Question is Redacted currently or
has she ever sued Maxwell? Answer no? Question does she
have any plans to do so? Answer no. Question have
you identified evidence that corroborates Redacted's account of our time
interacting with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer yes. Question did you
interview redacted zex boyfriend? Answer yes. Question what's the current
nature of redacted and Redacted's relationship? Answer they have a
child in common, and they talk very minimally just because
they have a child in common. Questions, so do they
only speak when necessary to discuss their teenage son? Answer yes.
Question according to Redacted, were he and redacted dating when
Redacted was about fourteen years old and Redacted was about
seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question did a redacted or
remember that he redacted and Redacted and Redacted would hang
out around that time? Answer yes. Question what did redacted
or recall about how Redacted came to meet Jeffrey Epstein?
Answer he recalls that the four of them were hanging out,
and they had mentioned redacted and Redacted had mentioned to
them that Redacted could go to massage an old man
and she would be paid money. Question did she recall
bringing Redacted to Epstein's Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions?
Answer yes. Question did redacted or remember receiving phone calls
to schedule appointments for Redacted to massage Epstein? Answer yes.
Question what if anything did redacted or remember about meeting
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? He recalls meeting him at his house
Epstein's house. He recalls that Epstein was there with his
car and he was showing off his car. He recalls
that Epstein was flashy. Question what if anything did Redacted
or remember saying about Maxwell? Answer? He recalls that Redacted
said Maxwell was rude and nasty and that she was
supposed to be teaching her how to do massages. Question
what did redacted or remember doing with the money that
Redacted received from Epstein? Answer? They purchased drugs and Redacted
and Redacted and Redacted would purchase drugs? Answer yes. Question
what did Redacted understand was happening when Redacted was ad
Epstein's Palm Beach mansion answer, He understood that she was
going in there to give massages to Abstein, but felt
that there may have also been something else going on.
Question what did redacted or remember about Redacted bringing other
girls to Abstein's residence? He recalls that she had brought
other girls. Question did he remember that both redacted and
the other girls would get paid for going to Ebstein's house?
Answer yes. Question turning to the next slide, during the
prior investigation in Abstein, did the other FBI office obtain
certain federal express records regarding Epstein? Answer yes. Question was
there one in particular from October of two thousand and
two that is up to the slide right now? Answer yes.
Question would you please walk the grand and Jerry through
what we saw on this slide? Answer sure. On the
left hand side, it says picked up October seventh of
two thousand and two. The sender's address is on the bottom.
In the middle, it says Jeffrey Epstein. His address is
four five seven Madison Avenue, New York, New York. It
was said to the recipient being redacted. Question and is
redacted name spelled redacted instead of redacted in the recipient column?
Answer yes. Question and the four to fifty seven Madison
Avenue address is a Manhattan Answer yes. Question how old
was redacted? On October seventh, two thousand and two? Answer
fifteen question have you ever interviewed a man name redacted?
Answer yes? Question is that the same man about whom
we read back in testimony from special Agent redacted earlier today?
Answer yes? Question to remind the grand jury? Did redacted
work for Epstein in the nineties and early two thousands
at Epstein's pom Beach residence? Answer yes. Question did a
redacted or recall meeting redacted? Answer yes? Question what did
a redact or remember about how we first met redacted? Answer?
He recalls driving Maxwell to a massage appointment at mar
A Lago. He was told to wait in the car
while she got her massage. When she was done, she
got in the car and they started leaving the property.
At some point during that drive, while still on the property,
she asked him to stop. She got out of the
car and approached the female, who was wearing a uniform
at the time. Maxwell spoke to the female for about
twenty minutes, and mister redacted could not hear the conversation.
Maxwell then got back in the car and drove back
to Epstein's house shortly thereafter. Later that day, that same
girl arrived at the house. She soon became a regular
at the house, and Redacted learned later learned her name
to be redacted. Question and when Redacted said that Redacted
became a regular at the house, what was Redacted's understanding
of why Redacted was coming to Epstein's Palm Beach residence?
Answer to give Epstein massages. Question. Turning to the next slide,
have you review flight records for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet?
Answer yes. Question to those show multiple flights that Redacted
was on when she was under the age of eighteen?
Answer yes. Question was Maxwell present for some of those
flights with redacted? Answer yes. Question are two such flights
reflected on this flight? Answer yes. Question, I'd like to
ask you to please walk the Grand Jury through those
two flight records. Answer on December eleventh and December fourteenth
of two thousand. You can see all the way at
the bottom of the page on the left hand side.
It's marked eleven and fourteen, and the first flight goes
from PBI to Teterborough, which is Palm Beach in Florida.
To Teterborough in New Jersey. On that flight was Epstein, Maxwell,
and redacted among others. The next flight, on the fourteenth,
goes from Teeterborough to the Virgin Islands. On that flight
is Epstein, Maxwell, Redacted, among others. Question, based on your
understanding of Redacted's date of birth? Was redacted on these
two flights? Answer seventeen. Question turning to the next slide,
does this slide show three additional flights that redacted took
with Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell when she was seventeen
years old? Answer yes. Question would you please walk the
Grand jury through these three flights? Answer sure. The first
flight is January twenty six, two thousand and one. On
that flight is Jeffrey Maxwell and redacted among others. That
was from Teterborough to Palm Beach Down. A little bit
further there is another date that appears to be January
twenty eighth of two thousand and one, although the eight
seems to like look like it's a little faded, but
does appear to be late January two thousand and one.
On that flight is Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, and redacted
among others. And the last flight is the thirtieth of January,
also two thousand and one, This flight had Jeffrey Epstein,
Glen Maxwell, and Redacted on that flight. Question, based on
your review of flight rights for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet,
have you found multiple additional flights in two thousand and
one that Redacted took with Epstein and Maxwell when she
was still seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question. Have you
reviewed certain phone records from the year two thousand and four?
Answer yes, question did those phone records show that on
at least two occasions in April and May of two
thousand and four, an employee of Epstein called Redacted's phone number?
Answer yes, question, turning to the next slide. During the
prior investigation of Epstein, was there a search executed at
Epstein's pom Beach residence in two thousand and five by
the Palm Beach Police Department? Answer yes. Question During the search,
did the police recover message pads from the residents? Answer yes,
question would you please explain to the grand jury what
those are? Answer sure so. Message pads in this particular
instance were pads that Epstein kept next to each of
his phones in his residence. If someone was to call
whoever would answer that phone would jot down a note
as to who the person was that was calling, who
they were asking for the time and the date, and
their phone number, and any specific message that they wanted
to leave. Question Have you reviewed the message pads that
were recovered from Epstein's Palm Beach residence in two thousand
and five? Answer yes. Question do those message pads include
several messages with Redacted's name and or a phone number
on them? Answer yes. Question do those message pads date
between the years of two thousand and three and two
thousand and five? Answer yes. Question up on this slide
right now, Are those two examples of message pad excerpts
that reference redacted? Answer yes. Question would you please walk
the grand jury through these message excerpts? Answer sure. The
first one says the message is for mister Epstein. The
date is March first, two thousand and three. Question I'm sorry,
I think you said three to one. Did you mean
three eleven? Answer? I'm sorry, it's a little faded three eleven,
two thousand and three. The message is from redacted and
the phone number also a little faded here, but says redacted.
The second message says it's for Jaye Jeffrey Epstein and
the date is March sixteenth, two thousand and three. The
message is from redacted. Same number as the previous message
is redacted. The message is on the bottom and it
says she wants to work. Question and just to remind
the Grand Jerry did a redact to tell you that
there were times when she would call to ask to
massage Epstein so that she could get more money for drugs.
Answer yes, question turning to the next slide, are these
additional message pads? Excerpt seized from Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach
Residents in two thousand and five. Answer yes, question, would
you walk the Grand Jerry through these? Answer sure. The
first one on the left says that the message is
for Jaye jeff Epstein. It's from redacted. There's the date
is missing on this one, but it says the time
is twelve thirty. The phone number is redacted. The one
on the right says the message is also again JE
for Jeffrey Epstein. There's no date. The time is three
fifteen pm. It's from redacted phone number redacted. The message
states redacted wants to work. Question during the search In
two thousand and five of Epstein's pom Beach residents. Where
additional messages recovered that are not included on these slides?
Answer yes. Question Additionally, where multiple massage tables seized from
the residence in two thousand and five? Answer yes. Question
was at least one of those tables manufactured outside the
state of Florida? Answer yes. Question have you reviewed photographs
and the video recording from that two thousand and five
search of the Palm Beach residence? Answer yes. Question would
you please describe for the grand jury, based on those
photographs and that video, what the massage room in the
Palm Beach Residents look like? Answer sure. It was basically
a master bathroom. There was glass doors which appear to
go back into a shower. There's a sink in the room.
There is a couch in the room. There are several
doors in the room, one of which leads into a closet.
Inside of the closet on the walls. Also on the
walls of the massage room were multiple photographs, some of
them being nude women. Question was there also a massage
table in the closet? Answer yes, photographed was a massage
table inside of the closet? Question have you told the
grand jury everything you know about this case? Or have
you merely answered the questions that you've been asked? Answer?
I've merely answered the questions. Question when you testified about
conversations you had with others or documents you reviewed, did
you testify to the exact words or just the substance?
Answer just the substance. Question. Are you willing to return
to the grand jury if the grand jurors have additional
questions for you? Answer? Of course, miss redacted. Then with
the four person's permission, I'll ask that the witness please
be excused four person, Yes he may, all right, folks,
Well that does it for this portion of grand jury
testimony from twenty twenty one during the Gland Maxwell investigation.
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