1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,879 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:06,240 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,839 where we left off with the NYPD detective giving the 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,519 Maxwell grand jury testimony in New York. Question if you 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,839 could please turn to the next slide, this is on 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,879 page twenty seven. It says, are these also excerpts from 7 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:25,760 that same deposition? Answer? Yes, question again, I'll read the question. 8 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:29,399 If you could please read the answers. Question other than 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,679 yourself and the blonde and brunette that you have identified 10 00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:35,679 as having been involved in three way sexual activity, with 11 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:40,679 whom did mister Epstein have sexual activities? There's an objection 12 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:44,039 from the lawyer. Answer, I wasn't aware that he was 13 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:46,840 having sexual activity with anyone when I was with them 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,840 other than myself. Question I want to be sure that 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,479 I'm clear. Is it your testimony that in the nineteen 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,200 nineties and two thousands you are not aware that mister 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,799 Epstein was having sexual activities with anyone other than yourself 18 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,520 and the blonde and brunette on those few occasions when 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,680 they were involved with you. Answer, that is my testimony. 20 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:11,879 That is correct. Question Have you reviewed the deposition transcript? Answer? Yes, 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,519 question in full. Now, the excerpt we just read has 22 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:18,519 a reference to a blonde and brunette. Are those individuals 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,760 completely different from the individuals we've been talking about today? Answer? Yes. Question, 24 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:26,640 Just to be clear, is it correct that you testified 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,400 earlier that redacted and redacted told you that Epstein's sectually 26 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:35,200 abused them repeatedly? Is that correct? Answer? Yes? Question? And 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,000 did you also testify earlier that Maxwell was occasionally present 28 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:43,519 when Epstein was abusing redacted based on what she told you? Answer? Yes, 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,879 that's correct. Question. Turning to the next slide, Is this 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,599 also an excerpt from the same deposition answer I'm sorry, question, 31 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:54,879 I'm so sorry. Turning to the next slide on page 32 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:59,879 twenty eight, is this also an excerpt from the same deposition? Answer? Yes, question, 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Thank you? Okay again, if we could just read that together, 34 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,040 I'll take the questions and you can take the answer. Question. 35 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,840 Let's just tie that down. Is it your testimony that 36 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,199 you've never given anybody a massage? Answer, I've not given 37 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:17,479 anyone a massage. Question You've never given mister Epstein a massage? 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,439 Is that your testimony? Answer? That's my testimony. Question You've 39 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:25,560 never gave redacted a massage. Is that your testimony? Answer? 40 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,840 I never gave redacted a massage. Question just to be clear, 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,000 as you testified earlier, is it correct that Redacted told 42 00:02:33,039 --> 00:02:35,719 you that Maxwell gave her a massage when they were 43 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:40,599 in New Mexico. Answer yes. Question, We're going to stop 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,319 the read back there, ladies and gentlemen, let's take five 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,240 minutes of break. Then we'll come back and finish the 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,840 presentation in about five minutes. With the four persons permission, 47 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:55,120 I'll ask at the witness please be excused now they 48 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:59,280 come back from their little break and question. I have 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,719 placed in front of what has been marked as Grand 50 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:06,520 Jury Exhibit five. Do you recognize that I do? Answer? Question? 51 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:09,960 Is this a PowerPoint presentation concerning some of the facts 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,639 and evidence that you have gathered in your investigation? Answer yes. 53 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,560 Question did you participate in preparing this exhibit in connection 54 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,479 with your testimony today? Answer yes. Question, Then we're going 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,439 to have it up on the screen and we'll use 56 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:27,479 it as you testify during the course of this investigation. 57 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,879 Have you participated in multiple interviews with an individual name redacted? 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Answer yes. Question did those interviews take place in the 59 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:40,159 year twenty twenty and the year twenty twenty one. Answer yes, question, 60 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:43,080 were there are approximately five of those interviews in total? 61 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:47,960 Answer yes. Question. For today's purposes, I'm going to refer 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,479 to her as redacted. Have you also reviewed reports from 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,039 other law enforcement interviews for redacted? Answer yes, question, and 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,639 is your testimony today based on both the review of 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,080 those reports and your personal participation in interviews with redacted? 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,199 Answer yes. Question. Turning to the next lide, are these 67 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:12,680 photographs of redacted? Answer? Yes? Question did redacted tell you 68 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:17,199 approximately how old she was in one of the photographs? Answer? Yes, 69 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,600 Question which photograph did she identify? Answer the one on 70 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:24,959 the right. Question where's the one on the right from 71 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,160 according to redacted? Answer? Oh, I'm sorry, that was from 72 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:32,000 her MySpace page. Question and how old did redacted recall 73 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:35,720 being in this photograph from her MySpace page? Answer sixteen 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,240 years old? Question what's Redacted's date of birth? Answer redacted? 75 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:43,879 Question where was redacted living when she was about fourteen 76 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:48,240 years old? Answer Wes Palm Beach. Question what was Redacted's 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,199 home life like when she was fourteen years old? Answer? 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,560 It was troubled. She grew up she had been molested 79 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,360 multiple times as a child. Her mother was addicted to 80 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:01,480 drugs and alcohol. Her parents were separated. She often fought 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,000 with her brother and her mother. Question when Redacted was 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,279 fourteen years old, did she have a boyfriend? Answer yes? 83 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,360 Question what was his name? Answer redacted? Question how old 84 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,959 was Redacted when they were dating when she was fourteen 85 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,000 years old? Answer approximately seventeen? Question, so was Redacted about 86 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,160 three years older then redacted? Answer yes. Question did there 87 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,399 come a time when Redacted learned of and met Jeffrey Epstein? 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Answer yes. Question according to redacted, how did that happen? 89 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,959 Answer her boyfriend redacted was friends with someone name redacted 90 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,959 who was dating redacted. The four of them would often 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,639 hang out together. On one particular occasion, Redacted was asked 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,199 by them and redacted if she would like to make 93 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,879 some money by massage an older man. Question had it? 94 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,920 Redacted respond? Answer she agreed to it. Question about what 95 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,879 year does redacted or remember this conversation taken place? Answer 96 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,319 two thousand and one. Question, so how old was Redacted 97 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,519 at the time? Answer fourteen. Question during your investigation, you 98 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:11,319 learned of Redacted's date of birth? Answer yes. Question how 99 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,279 old was Redacted at the time of the conversation with redacted? 100 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,319 In two thousand and one about massage an old guy. 101 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,399 Answer seventeen. Question after that conversation was redacted? Did redacted 102 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,839 meet Epstein? Answer? Yes? Question what did redacted remember happening 103 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:29,800 the first time she met Epstein? Answer? She was brought 104 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 there by redacted. She recalls going in through the side 105 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,639 door and being introduced to Maxwell as they entered. Question 106 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:40,680 based on her interactions with Maxwell as she and redacted entered, 107 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:45,160 what was redacted's understanding of whether Redacted in Maxwell had 108 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,439 met before? Answer? She understood that they had met before. 109 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:52,720 Question what happened next? Answer? They went upstairs to the 110 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:55,920 massage room. They set up the massage room, waited for 111 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,839 Epstein to answer. At that point they participated in giving 112 00:06:59,879 --> 00:07:03,759 a massage. Question had it redacted describe the massage room 113 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,079 in the Florida House? Answer? She described it as having 114 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,000 a few doors inside of it, some of them entering 115 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,839 a closet. She described their being like a bathroom basically 116 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:17,000 that had a sink inside of it, and inside of 117 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,959 the closet had a massage table which they had to 118 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,079 take out in order to set up. Question what if 119 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,439 any photographs did redacted or recall seeing in and around 120 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:31,279 the massage room. Answer she recalls nude photographs of Maxwell. 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,639 Question and other females answer yes. Question After Redacted and 122 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,600 Redacted had set up the massage table, what happened next? Answer? 123 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,680 Jeffrey Epstein came into the room. They massaged them. At 124 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,040 some point during the massage, he turned over and Redacted 125 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,720 got on top. They had sex, and Redacted set on 126 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:53,920 the couch and tried not to watch. Question According to redacted, 127 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:58,120 did Redacted and Jeffrey Epstein engage in sexual intercourse during 128 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,040 the massage? Answer yes. Question at the end of the massage, 129 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:06,399 What happened? Answer Jeffrey left, They got dressed and each 130 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:09,399 got paid, and they walked downstairs. They got paid three 131 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,959 hundred each. Question So to clarified, did Redacted and redacted 132 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,879 each received three hundred? Answer yes? Question and how did 133 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,279 they receive that money in what denomination? Answer a CRISP 134 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:25,959 one hundred dollars bill? Question After the first visit, did 135 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,519 Redacted go to Epstein's Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions 136 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,080 to provide sexualized massages to Jeffrey Epstein between two thousand 137 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,720 and one and two thousand and four. Answer yes. Question 138 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,000 approximately how many times does redacted estimate she massage Jeffrey 139 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,799 Epstein answer about one hundred times. Question do redacted memories 140 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,960 of the events at Epstein's residence run together after the 141 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,399 first visit with redacted? Answer yes. Question At some point 142 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,720 after her first or second visit to Epstein's residence, did 143 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:01,799 Redacted give her phone numbers to someone at Epstein's house? 144 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,879 Answer yes? Question after that, did Redacted go to Epstein's 145 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:10,440 house by herself without Redacted accompanying her? Answer yes. Question 146 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:13,919 after Redacted provided her phone number, how did she schedule 147 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,759 times to massage Epstein at his house? Answer she would 148 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:20,519 either call herself or she would receive a phone call. 149 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,919 Question did Redacted explain why she would call herself to 150 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,519 ask the schedule a time to massage Epstein? Answer yes, 151 00:09:27,759 --> 00:09:29,840 At the time, she wanted to make more money so 152 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:33,759 she could buy drugs. Question During her time seeing Epstein, 153 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,600 did Redacted become addicted to certain drugs? Answer yes? Question 154 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:42,480 what drugs was she primarily using? Answer cocaine and marijuana. 155 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,399 Question when someone would call redacted to schedule her for 156 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,399 massages with Epstein? Who does Redacted or remember making most calls? 157 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,919 Answer Maxwell or Redacted? Question and were there are particular 158 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,879 time periods over the course of the years when redacted 159 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,559 was interacting with Epstein, that one one or the other 160 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,360 of those two individuals would call. Answer yes question. What 161 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,799 did redacted say about that? Answer? She recalled that for 162 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,200 the first time or first several months of going to Epstein's, 163 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,679 she would get calls primarily from Maxwell. After that she 164 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,799 would receive calls primarily from redacted, but at the same 165 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,639 time occasionally received calls from Maxwell. Question and did she 166 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,679 also remember receiving calls from other Epstein employees whose names 167 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,120 redacted did not know? Answer yes question. Did redacted refer 168 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:35,799 to Maxwell as Maxwell? Answer yes question? And then you 169 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:40,240 mentioned another person? What was the other person's name? Redacted? Question? 170 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,519 And did she primarily refer to redacted? Did redacted primarily 171 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:50,039 refer to redacted as redacted? Answer yes question? Who was redacted? 172 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,440 According to redacted? Answer? She was another employee of Epstein's. 173 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:57,879 She was an assistant who made phone calls, arranged massage appointments, 174 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,919 and took photographs when Maxwell would call redacted to schedule 175 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,240 massage appointments with Epstein. Did Maxwell evertel redacted where Maxwell 176 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:11,279 was calling from? Answer yes question, what did redacted or 177 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,000 remember about that. Answer, She recalls her saying that they 178 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,279 were in New York and that they would be traveling 179 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,120 to Florida at a certain time period and asking if 180 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,720 she would be available for that time when they return. 181 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:26,320 Question and when you say they would be in New York, 182 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:30,720 who is she referring to? Answer Epstein and Maxwell questions, 183 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,559 So did Redacted understand from those conversations that Maxwell and 184 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Epstein at the time of those phone calls were in 185 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,080 New York? Answer yes. Question what phone numbers would Epstein 186 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,600 employees call the schedule appointments for Redacted to massage Epstein? 187 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:48,279 Answer they would call multiple phone numbers, including a redacted 188 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,000 cell phone, her mother's phone, her landline or her home line, 189 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,000 and her boyfriend's redacted number. Question how did Redacted get 190 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,919 to Epstein's residence for each massage appointment? Answer? She would 191 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,519 either be driven by her boyfriend, she would drive herself. 192 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,919 On occasion, even though she did not have a license, 193 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:09,679 she had been driven there by redacted, and also Epstein 194 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,679 or Maxwell would send him send her a cab to 195 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,480 be picked up. Question did redact it's boyfriend redacted ever 196 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:20,679 meet anyone at Epstein's house? Answer yes. Question what did 197 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,120 Redacted remember about that? Answer? She recalls that he met Epstein. Question, 198 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,639 what did she say about that? Answer? He met in 199 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,879 the driveway there was a car that Epstein was driving 200 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,440 at the time and that he was showing to Redacted, 201 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:36,679 and she recalls that Redacted really liked the car and 202 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,039 she had to hear about him liking about the car 203 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,759 for several days to weeks after that. All right, folks, 204 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:45,399 we're going to wrap up right here, and in the 205 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,039 next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. 206 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:51,000 All of the information that goes with this episode can 207 00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:54,399 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 208 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:58,559 welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this 209 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,039 episode where diving back to the grand jury testimony given 210 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,679 by the NYPD detective to the Maxwell grand jury in 211 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:12,559 New York. Question, when Redacted arrived at Epstein's house for 212 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,320 each appointment, what happened when she first arrived? Answer? She 213 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,200 would arrive through the side door and generally be greeted 214 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,399 by someone. Question would that be in the kitchen? Answer 215 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,720 yes question, Does she recall at times Maxwell being the 216 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:31,039 person who would greet her in the kitchen? Answer yes? Question? 217 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,320 After being greeted in the kitchen. What would Redacted do next? Answer? 218 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:38,039 She would go upstairs and arrange the massage room and 219 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,919 the massage table. Question. Once Redacted was in the massage room, 220 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:46,080 what happened during each appointment? Answer? Epstein would generally come out, 221 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,759 he would get on the table, she would begin her massage. 222 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,080 During the massage, she would flip over and she would 223 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,039 touch her breasts and buttocks. And she said that every 224 00:13:55,039 --> 00:14:00,639 instance ended with Epstein ejaculating. Question What would Redacted be 225 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,679 wearing during those appointments? Answer? At first, she just started 226 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,879 wearing her underwear, but was told that she would make 227 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:10,759 more money if she would be completely nude, so she 228 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,039 started getting totally nude. Question and so after the first 229 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,039 few visits to Epstein's was she did it become Redacted's 230 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,840 practice to be fully nude during the massages? Answer yes. 231 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,080 Question On a few occasions during the massages, did Epstein 232 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:32,039 touch Redacted to vagina? Answer yes? Question On one occasion, 233 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,879 does Redacted or recall Epstein touching her vagina with a vibrator? 234 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,639 Answer yes question, and you mentioned that Redacted recalled each 235 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,360 massage she reformed for Epstein involved the sex act. Answer 236 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:49,200 yes question after each massage. What happened? Answer? Epstein would 237 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,279 get up, Redacted would go get dressed, She would get paid. 238 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,440 The money would generally be on the table or on 239 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,639 the sink, or she would go downstairs then be paid 240 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:02,039 by Maxwell. Question how much did Redacted recall being paid 241 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:06,639 for each massage? Answered three hundred dollars question in what denomination? 242 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Answer one hundred dollars bills. Question. You mentioned that Redacted 243 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:14,919 would sometimes be greeted by Maxwell when she arrived at 244 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,279 Epstein's house. Earlier on in her visits to Epstein's wuld 245 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,519 Maxwell engage Redacted in conversation answer yes question. And then 246 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,919 later on, after Redacted started primarily being of a person 247 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,000 to schedule these appointments, would Maxwell still be present sometimes? 248 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,320 Answer yes question? But during those later periods, would Maxwell 249 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,000 primarily just say hello and not really have extended conversations 250 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,080 with Redacted? Answer yes question. During the earlier period, when 251 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,360 Redacted was going over to Epstein's pom Beach house, what 252 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:51,559 types of conversations does she recall having with Maxwell? Answer? 253 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:54,240 She talked with Maxwell about her home life. She talked 254 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:57,480 with Maxwell about her abuse that occurred when she was younger. 255 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,399 She recalled Maxwell asking about her her sexual experiences that 256 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,919 she'd had. She recalled Maxwell asking her if she used 257 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:08,600 a vibrator or a toy ever on herself. Question did 258 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:13,240 she also recall conversations about travel? Answer yes. Question I'd 259 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,960 like to go through each of those topics that Redacted 260 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:20,799 or recall discussing. First, what did redacted tell you and 261 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,039 Maxwell about Redacted's home life in response to Maxwell's questions? Answer? 262 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,960 She told her that she her mother was addicted to 263 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,240 drugs and that she had been molested several times as 264 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,840 a child. Question did she also tell Maxwell that the 265 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:39,759 parents were separated? Answer yes, Question you also mentioned sexual 266 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:43,039 topics coming up. What does redacted or recall about the 267 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,399 time or times when sexual topics came up with Maxwell? Answer? 268 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,399 Maxwell has asked her if she was sexually active. Redacted 269 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,519 had told her that she's currently sexually active with her boyfriend. 270 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:59,240 Maxwell asked her if she'd ever used a toy at 271 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,960 a pleasure herself, and she said no. Question did Redacted 272 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:06,039 or recall that the same day that Maxwell asked about 273 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,640 whether she had ever used a toy was the day 274 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,839 that Epstein placed a vibrator on Redacted's genitals during the massage. 275 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,640 Answer yes, question what did redacted or recall about conversations 276 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,160 with Maxwell about travel? Answer? She recalls that on multiple occasions, 277 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,880 Maxwell asked her if she wanted to travel, specifically overseas. 278 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,839 She had told her that she was fourteen years old 279 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,359 and that her mother wouldn't let her. Maxwell offered to 280 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,960 get her a passport so she'd be able to travel. 281 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,839 Question when you said that she told her that she 282 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,640 was fourteen years old, did you mean that Redacted told 283 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,519 Maxwell that Redacted was fourteen years old? Answer yes. Question 284 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,400 does redacted or recall these conversations took place when she 285 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,160 was about fourteen years old? Answer yes? Question does redacted 286 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,359 recall Maxwell saying specifically where Maxwell wanted Redacted to travel 287 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:05,039 with Epste? Answer no. Question did Epstein ever invite redacted 288 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:09,759 to travel with them? Answer yes? Question what did redacted 289 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:14,519 or remember about that? Answer? They were similar conversations where 290 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,480 she had told he had asked her if she would 291 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:20,559 like to travel, and she said that redacted had traveled 292 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,759 with them. She had told them that since she was 293 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:27,680 fourteen and likely her mother wouldn't let her travel. He 294 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,480 also offered to get her a passport. Question did her 295 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,359 redacted ever actually travel with Maxwell? And Epstein. Answer no. Question. 296 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,960 After Redacted told Maxwell and Epstein that she was fourteen 297 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:42,359 years old, did Maxwell still call her to schedule massage 298 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,559 appointments for Epstein? Answer yes. Question Did redacted still see 299 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:50,960 Maxwell at the Palm Beach residence after telling Maxwell that 300 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,400 she was fourteen years old? Answer yes. Question did Maxwell 301 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:00,960 ever see redacted naked? Answer yes. Question In particular, does 302 00:19:01,079 --> 00:19:04,319 redacted or recall that there were between one and three 303 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,200 times when Maxwell saw her naked? Answer? Yes, question how 304 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,440 did that happen? According to redacted? Answer it happened in 305 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,920 the massage room. Question and was there one time in 306 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,240 particular when redacted recalls Maxwell touching her while redacted was naked? 307 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:25,559 Answer yes, question what it redacted remember about that? Answer? 308 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,000 She recalls being in the massage room undressing. Maxwell complimented 309 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,519 her body and then asked her if her breast were real, 310 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,519 at which point she touched her breast. Question and when 311 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,680 you say that she touched her breast, do you mean 312 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,119 Maxwell touch redacted's breast? Answer yes, question and on those occasions, 313 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,039 just to be clear, according to a redacted why was 314 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:50,200 she getting undressed in the massage room when Maxwell was present? 315 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,079 Answer for getting prepared for the massage with Jeffrey Epstein. 316 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:58,519 Question other than during her first visit or two with redacted? 317 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:03,039 Did redacted every particleipate massages with Epstein during which another 318 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:07,480 female was in the room? Answer yes. Question in particular, 319 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:10,559 does she recall two occasions when Epstein brought another girl 320 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:15,279 into the room? Answer yes. Question would you please describe 321 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:18,279 for the Grand Jerry what redacted or recalled about one 322 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:21,640 such occasion? Answer she recalled that the girl looked like 323 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,480 a model. She recalls at one point during the massage, 324 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,559 Jeffrey attempted to have sex with her. He slightly penetrated 325 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:31,480 her at least once or twice that she can recall. 326 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,759 She told him no, at which point he began to 327 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:37,240 have sex with the other female, and at the same 328 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:42,400 time she was performing oral on redacted. Question now, just 329 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,440 to clarify some of the pronouns there, you said that 330 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,640 Epstein attempted to penetrate or have sexual intercourse with her. 331 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,000 Do you mean that redacted or recalls that Epstein attempted 332 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,279 to penetrate Redacted's vagina with his penis. Answer yes, question, 333 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,720 does redacted or recall Epstein attempting to do that and 334 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,119 actually inserting his penis into her regina on one or 335 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,400 two occasions? Answer yes. Question and in response did a 336 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,160 redacted say no? Answer yes question and in response to that, 337 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,519 did Epstein then engage in sexual intercourse with the other girl? 338 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,000 Answer yes, question and at the same time was the 339 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:25,799 other girl performing oral sex unredacted? Answer yes. Question Was 340 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:28,720 there another instance where Epstein brought a different girl into 341 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,640 the room? Answer yes. Question what did redacted remember happening 342 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:38,359 during that other instance? Answer similar instance where Epstein would 343 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,599 have sex with the other female at the same time 344 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:45,240 while she was performing oral unredacted question, So Epstein would 345 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,640 have intercourse with the other girl and the other girl 346 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,319 would perform oral sex on redacted? Answer yes. Question Did 347 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,319 redact did ever bring other girls to massage Epstein? Answer yes. 348 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,279 Question why did she do that? Answer she was that 349 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,400 she could earn more money. Question who told her or 350 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,599 asked her to bring more girls? Answer both Jeffrey and Maxwell. 351 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,559 Question what in particular did they ask her to do? 352 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,039 Answer they asked if she could bring younger girls. Question 353 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,799 did he redacted in fact bring multiple girls over to 354 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:23,000 Epstein's house? Answer yes. Question can you remember the name 355 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,519 of every girl that she brought over? Answer no. Question 356 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:29,319 are there some examples and names that she remembers of 357 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,079 girls that Redacted brought over? Answer yes. Question what are 358 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:40,240 some examples? Answer redacted and redacted? Question according to redacted? 359 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,960 Was redacted younger than redacted? Answer yes? Question? And according 360 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,559 to redacted, was redacted about a year older than redacted? 361 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Answer yes. Question when Redacted brought these girls withoud Epstein 362 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:56,319 engage in sex acts in the presence of both redacted 363 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,000 and the girls she had brought during the massages? Answer yes, 364 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,640 YEA question after each massage, would both redacted and the 365 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,440 girl get paid? Answer yes? Question how much did it 366 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,319 redacted or remember getting paid? Answer three hundred dollars? Questions 367 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,480 so did each redacted and the girl get three hundred? 368 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:19,200 Answer yes. Question did it redacted receive any gifts from Epstein? 369 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,839 Answer yes? Question did it redacted or receive any gifts 370 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,680 from Epstein? Answer yes. Question what's an example of some 371 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,559 of the gifts that she remembers receiving from Epstein? Answer flowers, 372 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,119 a book called Massage for Dummies, and Victoria's Secret Underwear. 373 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:40,079 Question does she recall receiving multiple packages of Victoria's Secret Lingerie? 374 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:44,720 Answer yes. Question before she first received Victoria's secret lingerie? 375 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,200 Did Maxwell ask her for her address and her brace eye? 376 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,319 Answer yes. Question how does Redacted remember receiving packages of 377 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,960 Victoria's secret underwear? Answer she recalls receiving them at her 378 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,599 house in West Palm Beach. Question and how would they 379 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,599 get to her house? Answer either FedEx or ups. Question 380 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,000 what if anything does Redacted or remember about the return 381 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,799 address on those packages? Answer she recalls it that they 382 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,119 stated that they were from New York. Question that she 383 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,799 remember whose name was on the return address? Answer she 384 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:23,200 recalls Jeffrey and Maxwell's name. What did a. Redacted do 385 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:27,000 with the money she made massaging Epstein? Answer? She used 386 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,480 it to purchase drugs? Question did she and her boyfriend 387 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:35,279 then use those drugs? Answer yes. Question did A Redacted 388 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:39,240 continue going to school after she met Epstein? Answer no? 389 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:43,119 Question about how old was she when she dropped out? 390 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,680 Answer about fourteen? Question was she in middle school when 391 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:51,559 she dropped out? Answer yes? Question so did Redacted ever 392 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:55,160 attend high school? Answer no? Question in or about two 393 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,559 thousand and three, did it redact it become pregnant with 394 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,000 her boyfriend's kid? Answer yes? Question did it Redacted continue 395 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,400 to massage Epstein after she became pregnant until she began 396 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,880 showing her pregnancy. Answer yes. Question did A. Redacted give 397 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,039 birth to her son in two thousand and four when 398 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:17,960 redacted was about seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question after 399 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,319 the birth of her son, did it redacted still massage 400 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:24,400 Epstein on a small number of occasions? Answer yes. Question 401 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,720 what did redacted tell you about that? Answer she was 402 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,680 doing it too, excuse me support the baby? Question was 403 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,680 that because she needed the money? Answer yes. Question have 404 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,559 you reviewed the proposed superseding indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit 405 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,599 number six? Answer It's not in front of me right now, 406 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,759 but I have reviewed it. Question have you reviewed the 407 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,599 proposed superseding indictment or would you like me to provide 408 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,400 you with the copy? Answer Yes, I have reviewed it. 409 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:57,200 Question is redacted the individual referred to as Minor four 410 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:02,799 in the proposed superseding indictment? Answer yes. Question Before you 411 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,279 began investigating Epstein and his associates, was there a prior 412 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:11,279 investigation by a different FBI office in Florida into Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. 413 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,279 Question During that investigation, was redacted interviewed in two thousand 414 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:21,000 and seven? Answer yes question, have you reviewed a report 415 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:25,200 from that interview? Answer yes. Question during that interview, did 416 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,440 a redacted describe providing numerous paid, sexualized massages to Epstein 417 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,279 at his Palm Beach residence when she was underage? Answer 418 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,119 yes question. Did redacted mention Maxwell at all during that interview? 419 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,119 Answer no. Question During the more recent interviews with her 420 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,799 in twenty twenty one, did a redacted explain why she 421 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,960 did not mention Maxwell during her two thousand and seven interview? 422 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,720 Answer yes, question, what did she say about that? Answer 423 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,960 she was not asked? Question she was not asked about Maxwell? 424 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,400 Answer correct question. Did she think that Maxwell was important 425 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,400 to the interview in two thousand and seven? Answer no. Question. 426 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,319 Did redacted to Jeffrey Epstein in approximately two thousand and eight? 427 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,880 Answer yes question. Was she deposed as part of that 428 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,039 lawsuit in two thousand and nine? Answer yes, question, have 429 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,599 you reviewed a transcript of that deposition? Answer yes. All right, folks, 430 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,680 we're going to wrap up this episode right here, and 431 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,000 in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna 432 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,559 pick up where we left off. All of the information 433 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,319 that goes with this episode can be found in the 434 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,960 description box. What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode 435 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,279 of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to 436 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:43,680 get right back to that grand Jerry testimony given by 437 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,039 the New York Police Department detective to the Maxwell grand 438 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,000 jury in New York. Question during that deposition in two 439 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,960 thousand and nine, did Redacted state that Maxwell was one 440 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,839 of the people who would call her to schedule a 441 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,640 massage appointments with Epstein? Answer yes question. Was Redacted asked 442 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,839 any other question about Maxwell or any follow up questions 443 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,480 about Maxwell during that two thousand and nine deposition, Answer 444 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:14,319 no question. After that deposition, did the lawsuit settle? Answer 445 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,559 yes question During her more recent interview, did Redacted admit 446 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,160 that she lied during her two thousand and nine deposition, 447 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,680 Answer yes question, and in particular, in her twenty twenty 448 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,240 one interview, did Redacted tell you that after she stopped 449 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,960 seeing Epstein she began working for an escort service? Answer 450 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,880 yes question. During her twenty twenty one interview, did a 451 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,079 Redacted admit that is part of that escort service she 452 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,839 engaged and paid sex acts with men. Answer yes question now. 453 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,119 During her two thousand and nine deposition, was Redacted asked 454 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,319 about her time working for an escort service. Answer yes. Question. 455 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,000 Did she lie and claim that she had engaged in 456 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,640 no sex acts and only non sexual dates as part 457 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,799 of that escort service? Answer yes. Question. Did she explain 458 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,039 why she lied during her deposition? Answer yes question. What 459 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,519 did she say about that? Answer that she was embarrassed? Question? 460 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:14,359 Was she ashamed to admit that she had worked as 461 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:20,599 a prostitute during her deposition? Answer yes question. Has Redacted 462 00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,440 struggled with drug addiction in the years since her time 463 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,920 with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes question. Did she in particular 464 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:32,519 become addicted to cocaine and crack cocaine? Answer yes question. 465 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,079 Was she also in a car crash after which she 466 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,839 was prescribed opioids? Answer yes question, and did she become 467 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,559 addicted to opioids? Answer yes question between the ages of 468 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,640 eighteen and twenty six. Was Redacted arrested and convicted on 469 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:53,359 multiple times, including misdemeanors and felonies for crimes arising out 470 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160 of her drug use, such as drug possession and traffic violations. 471 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:02,240 Answer yes. Question. Her last felony and incident involving stolen 472 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,079 property when she pawned the next box that belonged to 473 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,319 one of redacted friends answer yes. Question As a result 474 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,440 of that conviction, did redacted spend several weeks in jail? 475 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:18,240 Answer yes. Question and was that the longest jail sentence 476 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,759 that she ever served? Answer yes. Question. After Redacted was 477 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,119 released from jail, did she go into drug treatment and 478 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,880 obtained mental health treatment? Answer yes? Question was that several 479 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,799 years ago? Answer yes? Question what is redacted do now? 480 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,240 Answer She's a stay at home mother? Question Is she married? 481 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,960 Answer yes, question to someone other than redacted? Answer yes. 482 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,480 Question Does she have three young children with her current husband? 483 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,519 Answer yes. Question does he work while she takes care 484 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:57,599 of the kids? Answer yes. Question has Redacted receive treatment 485 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,960 for depression anxiety, PTSD, and schizophrenia among other mental health issues? 486 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,880 Answer yes. Question As for her schizophrenia, does that manifest 487 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720 and Redacted hearing voices telling her that someone's going to 488 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,880 take her children away and hurt her children? Answer yes. 489 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,480 Question does Redacted believe that that comes from a fear 490 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,200 that what happened to her as the child could happen 491 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:24,480 to her children? Answer yes. Question is Redacted able to 492 00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:28,599 tell the difference between the voices and reality? Answer yes. 493 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,160 Question does she take medication to help her not hear 494 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,920 those voices. Answer yes. Question does Redacted currently take multiple 495 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000 medications to help her manage her drug addiction and her 496 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:47,759 mental health issues? Answer yes. Question do those include methadone, Xenex, 497 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:52,519 and medical marijuana? Answer yes. Question is Redacted currently or 498 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,559 has she ever sued Maxwell? Answer no? Question does she 499 00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,160 have any plans to do so? Answer no. Question have 500 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,920 you identified evidence that corroborates Redacted's account of our time 501 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,680 interacting with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer yes. Question did you 502 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:13,640 interview redacted zex boyfriend? Answer yes. Question what's the current 503 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,599 nature of redacted and Redacted's relationship? Answer they have a 504 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,559 child in common, and they talk very minimally just because 505 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,599 they have a child in common. Questions, so do they 506 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,880 only speak when necessary to discuss their teenage son? Answer yes. 507 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,519 Question according to Redacted, were he and redacted dating when 508 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:37,000 Redacted was about fourteen years old and Redacted was about 509 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,839 seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question did a redacted or 510 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:44,519 remember that he redacted and Redacted and Redacted would hang 511 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:49,839 out around that time? Answer yes. Question what did redacted 512 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,599 or recall about how Redacted came to meet Jeffrey Epstein? 513 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,559 Answer he recalls that the four of them were hanging out, 514 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:59,079 and they had mentioned redacted and Redacted had mentioned to 515 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,160 them that Redacted could go to massage an old man 516 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,960 and she would be paid money. Question did she recall 517 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:11,000 bringing Redacted to Epstein's Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions? 518 00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:15,200 Answer yes. Question did redacted or remember receiving phone calls 519 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,440 to schedule appointments for Redacted to massage Epstein? Answer yes. 520 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,519 Question what if anything did redacted or remember about meeting 521 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,200 Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? He recalls meeting him at his house 522 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,279 Epstein's house. He recalls that Epstein was there with his 523 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,680 car and he was showing off his car. He recalls 524 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,640 that Epstein was flashy. Question what if anything did Redacted 525 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,440 or remember saying about Maxwell? Answer? He recalls that Redacted 526 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,599 said Maxwell was rude and nasty and that she was 527 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,160 supposed to be teaching her how to do massages. Question 528 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,799 what did redacted or remember doing with the money that 529 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,119 Redacted received from Epstein? Answer? They purchased drugs and Redacted 530 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,559 and Redacted and Redacted would purchase drugs? Answer yes. Question 531 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,920 what did Redacted understand was happening when Redacted was ad 532 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,679 Epstein's Palm Beach mansion answer, He understood that she was 533 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,480 going in there to give massages to Abstein, but felt 534 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,559 that there may have also been something else going on. 535 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,400 Question what did redacted or remember about Redacted bringing other 536 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,559 girls to Abstein's residence? He recalls that she had brought 537 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,599 other girls. Question did he remember that both redacted and 538 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,920 the other girls would get paid for going to Ebstein's house? 539 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,360 Answer yes. Question turning to the next slide, during the 540 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,480 prior investigation in Abstein, did the other FBI office obtain 541 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,800 certain federal express records regarding Epstein? Answer yes. Question was 542 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,239 there one in particular from October of two thousand and 543 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,400 two that is up to the slide right now? Answer yes. 544 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,239 Question would you please walk the grand and Jerry through 545 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,239 what we saw on this slide? Answer sure. On the 546 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,400 left hand side, it says picked up October seventh of 547 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,760 two thousand and two. The sender's address is on the bottom. 548 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:04,440 In the middle, it says Jeffrey Epstein. His address is 549 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,159 four five seven Madison Avenue, New York, New York. It 550 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,039 was said to the recipient being redacted. Question and is 551 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:16,480 redacted name spelled redacted instead of redacted in the recipient column? 552 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Answer yes. Question and the four to fifty seven Madison 553 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,440 Avenue address is a Manhattan Answer yes. Question how old 554 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,159 was redacted? On October seventh, two thousand and two? Answer 555 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,199 fifteen question have you ever interviewed a man name redacted? 556 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,280 Answer yes? Question is that the same man about whom 557 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,880 we read back in testimony from special Agent redacted earlier today? 558 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,039 Answer yes? Question to remind the grand jury? Did redacted 559 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,400 work for Epstein in the nineties and early two thousands 560 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:53,079 at Epstein's pom Beach residence? Answer yes. Question did a 561 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:58,039 redacted or recall meeting redacted? Answer yes? Question what did 562 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,519 a redact or remember about how we first met redacted? Answer? 563 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000 He recalls driving Maxwell to a massage appointment at mar 564 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,199 A Lago. He was told to wait in the car 565 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,559 while she got her massage. When she was done, she 566 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,000 got in the car and they started leaving the property. 567 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,920 At some point during that drive, while still on the property, 568 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,800 she asked him to stop. She got out of the 569 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,519 car and approached the female, who was wearing a uniform 570 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,480 at the time. Maxwell spoke to the female for about 571 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,639 twenty minutes, and mister redacted could not hear the conversation. 572 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,039 Maxwell then got back in the car and drove back 573 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,400 to Epstein's house shortly thereafter. Later that day, that same 574 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,840 girl arrived at the house. She soon became a regular 575 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,199 at the house, and Redacted learned later learned her name 576 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,159 to be redacted. Question and when Redacted said that Redacted 577 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,360 became a regular at the house, what was Redacted's understanding 578 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,519 of why Redacted was coming to Epstein's Palm Beach residence? 579 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,679 Answer to give Epstein massages. Question. Turning to the next slide, 580 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:02,440 have you review flight records for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet? 581 00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,440 Answer yes. Question to those show multiple flights that Redacted 582 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,480 was on when she was under the age of eighteen? 583 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,920 Answer yes. Question was Maxwell present for some of those 584 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:18,000 flights with redacted? Answer yes. Question are two such flights 585 00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:22,039 reflected on this flight? Answer yes. Question, I'd like to 586 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,519 ask you to please walk the Grand Jury through those 587 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:29,400 two flight records. Answer on December eleventh and December fourteenth 588 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,840 of two thousand. You can see all the way at 589 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,199 the bottom of the page on the left hand side. 590 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,880 It's marked eleven and fourteen, and the first flight goes 591 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,199 from PBI to Teterborough, which is Palm Beach in Florida. 592 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,199 To Teterborough in New Jersey. On that flight was Epstein, Maxwell, 593 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,880 and redacted among others. The next flight, on the fourteenth, 594 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,440 goes from Teeterborough to the Virgin Islands. On that flight 595 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,360 is Epstein, Maxwell, Redacted, among others. Question, based on your 596 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,199 understanding of Redacted's date of birth? Was redacted on these 597 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,519 two flights? Answer seventeen. Question turning to the next slide, 598 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,800 does this slide show three additional flights that redacted took 599 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,079 with Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell when she was seventeen 600 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,559 years old? Answer yes. Question would you please walk the 601 00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,119 Grand jury through these three flights? Answer sure. The first 602 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,960 flight is January twenty six, two thousand and one. On 603 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:27,679 that flight is Jeffrey Maxwell and redacted among others. That 604 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,679 was from Teterborough to Palm Beach Down. A little bit 605 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,480 further there is another date that appears to be January 606 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,880 twenty eighth of two thousand and one, although the eight 607 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,400 seems to like look like it's a little faded, but 608 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:42,960 does appear to be late January two thousand and one. 609 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,039 On that flight is Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, and redacted 610 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,639 among others. And the last flight is the thirtieth of January, 611 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000 also two thousand and one, This flight had Jeffrey Epstein, 612 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:59,039 Glen Maxwell, and Redacted on that flight. Question, based on 613 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,880 your review of flight rights for Jeffrey Epstein's private jet, 614 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,000 have you found multiple additional flights in two thousand and 615 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,159 one that Redacted took with Epstein and Maxwell when she 616 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,800 was still seventeen years old? Answer yes. Question. Have you 617 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719 reviewed certain phone records from the year two thousand and four? 618 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,039 Answer yes, question did those phone records show that on 619 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,920 at least two occasions in April and May of two 620 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,119 thousand and four, an employee of Epstein called Redacted's phone number? 621 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,519 Answer yes, question, turning to the next slide. During the 622 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,960 prior investigation of Epstein, was there a search executed at 623 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,840 Epstein's pom Beach residence in two thousand and five by 624 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,880 the Palm Beach Police Department? Answer yes. Question During the search, 625 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,840 did the police recover message pads from the residents? Answer yes, 626 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,440 question would you please explain to the grand jury what 627 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,400 those are? Answer sure so. Message pads in this particular 628 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,760 instance were pads that Epstein kept next to each of 629 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,559 his phones in his residence. If someone was to call 630 00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,519 whoever would answer that phone would jot down a note 631 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,960 as to who the person was that was calling, who 632 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,719 they were asking for the time and the date, and 633 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,000 their phone number, and any specific message that they wanted 634 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,880 to leave. Question Have you reviewed the message pads that 635 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,159 were recovered from Epstein's Palm Beach residence in two thousand 636 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:26,679 and five? Answer yes. Question do those message pads include 637 00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,719 several messages with Redacted's name and or a phone number 638 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,760 on them? Answer yes. Question do those message pads date 639 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,599 between the years of two thousand and three and two 640 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:41,400 thousand and five? Answer yes. Question up on this slide 641 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:45,440 right now, Are those two examples of message pad excerpts 642 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,559 that reference redacted? Answer yes. Question would you please walk 643 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,760 the grand jury through these message excerpts? Answer sure. The 644 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,719 first one says the message is for mister Epstein. The 645 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,239 date is March first, two thousand and three. Question I'm sorry, 646 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,079 I think you said three to one. Did you mean 647 00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,760 three eleven? Answer? I'm sorry, it's a little faded three eleven, 648 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,239 two thousand and three. The message is from redacted and 649 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,880 the phone number also a little faded here, but says redacted. 650 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:18,360 The second message says it's for Jaye Jeffrey Epstein and 651 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,519 the date is March sixteenth, two thousand and three. The 652 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,679 message is from redacted. Same number as the previous message 653 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,679 is redacted. The message is on the bottom and it 654 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,079 says she wants to work. Question and just to remind 655 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:32,960 the Grand Jerry did a redact to tell you that 656 00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,199 there were times when she would call to ask to 657 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,480 massage Epstein so that she could get more money for drugs. 658 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:43,239 Answer yes, question turning to the next slide, are these 659 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,360 additional message pads? Excerpt seized from Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach 660 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,480 Residents in two thousand and five. Answer yes, question, would 661 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:56,039 you walk the Grand Jerry through these? Answer sure. The 662 00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,039 first one on the left says that the message is 663 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:02,679 for Jaye jeff Epstein. It's from redacted. There's the date 664 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,840 is missing on this one, but it says the time 665 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,960 is twelve thirty. The phone number is redacted. The one 666 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,039 on the right says the message is also again JE 667 00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:15,119 for Jeffrey Epstein. There's no date. The time is three 668 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,840 fifteen pm. It's from redacted phone number redacted. The message 669 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,440 states redacted wants to work. Question during the search In 670 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,360 two thousand and five of Epstein's pom Beach residents. Where 671 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920 additional messages recovered that are not included on these slides? 672 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,880 Answer yes. Question Additionally, where multiple massage tables seized from 673 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,599 the residence in two thousand and five? Answer yes. Question 674 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,480 was at least one of those tables manufactured outside the 675 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,360 state of Florida? Answer yes. Question have you reviewed photographs 676 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,760 and the video recording from that two thousand and five 677 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,440 search of the Palm Beach residence? Answer yes. Question would 678 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,639 you please describe for the grand jury, based on those 679 00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,960 photographs and that video, what the massage room in the 680 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,880 Palm Beach Residents look like? Answer sure. It was basically 681 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,960 a master bathroom. There was glass doors which appear to 682 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,599 go back into a shower. There's a sink in the room. 683 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,760 There is a couch in the room. There are several 684 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,159 doors in the room, one of which leads into a closet. 685 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,079 Inside of the closet on the walls. Also on the 686 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,199 walls of the massage room were multiple photographs, some of 687 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,440 them being nude women. Question was there also a massage 688 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,760 table in the closet? Answer yes, photographed was a massage 689 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,079 table inside of the closet? Question have you told the 690 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,559 grand jury everything you know about this case? Or have 691 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,239 you merely answered the questions that you've been asked? Answer? 692 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,519 I've merely answered the questions. Question when you testified about 693 00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,960 conversations you had with others or documents you reviewed, did 694 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,960 you testify to the exact words or just the substance? 695 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,000 Answer just the substance. Question. Are you willing to return 696 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,760 to the grand jury if the grand jurors have additional 697 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:02,119 questions for you? Answer? Of course, miss redacted. Then with 698 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,440 the four person's permission, I'll ask that the witness please 699 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,320 be excused four person, Yes he may, all right, folks, 700 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,920 Well that does it for this portion of grand jury 701 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,079 testimony from twenty twenty one during the Gland Maxwell investigation. 702 00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:22,719 But have no fear, there is plenty more on the way. 703 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:26,079 All of the information that goes with this episode can 704 00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,199 be found in the description box.