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Speaker 1: What is up, FELLOWSI goos. It is Guess a Player time,

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Volume two, in the new era of Guess a Player.

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We won't waste any time here. Let's see if you

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can beat me or Grant to the punch. Grant is

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going to read me some clues first, and as always,

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if you want to submit your own guest of players

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to try and stump Grant or myself, join our discord.

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The link to that is where Grant in the YouTube

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and podcast description.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly where it is.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to say that I'm ready, but I'm not.

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Let's let's begin anyway.

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Speaker 4: We'll just start, all right. This is from Mike uh

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Clue number one. I was a late first round pick

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of the Grizzlies in the mid two thousands.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should should have just gotta try, right,

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I mid first round pick. I was about to name

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people that weren't.

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Speaker 4: A late first round pick mid two thousands. Brandon Right,

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great guests. I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: It was a Warriors pick.

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Speaker 1: And he was early. He wasn't he he wasn't late?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was fortunately house Swift another great guess.

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Speaker 2: I think he was like fourth though he was a high.

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Speaker 1: Pick, and he wasn't wearing the Tonys or something. Just

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let me see it.

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Speaker 3: Austin Big Country.

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Speaker 4: Austin Reeves's dad, All right, clude over two. It wasn't

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any of those guys. If you look back at my draft,

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I'm at worst the fourth best player from this class.

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But notable names taken ahead of me were Mohammed Senne.

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I think that's how you say that, Rinaldo Balkman, you

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remember him, Tyrus Thomas, Rodney Carney, Quincy Dubie, and Josh

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Boone to name a few. Those guys all went ahead

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of this at Grizzlies pick that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think this is this is from Mike yeah, each

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I think Mike Aah and I have different interpretations of

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the word notable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. He's the most notable of that group. Uh,

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Tyres Thomas, maybe.

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Speaker 1: Ronaldo Balkman, right, Oh, maybe Tyrs Thomas. Yeah, I don't

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even know what draft ran. I think Ronaldo was like

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pre too, he was pre twenty ten, but he was

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like late, he was closer to it. So who is

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drafted in like two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I think you're in the right area time wise.

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Speaker 1: But late first, this is this draft stuff is just

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me and keep going.

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Speaker 4: It's not okay, so this is a non draft related thing.

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Speaker 2: Clue number three.

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Speaker 4: As a rookie, I appeared in ten games before severely

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breaking my wrist, requiring season ending surgery.

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Speaker 2: I do not remember this.

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Speaker 1: Uh ten games, late two thousand's, late first round, broken

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my wrist. Oh they're draft by the Grizzlies. That was

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the first clue, right, yep, all right, that doesn't really

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help me, but I should probably keep it in mind anyway, No,

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go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Clue number four.

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Speaker 4: In year two, I appeared in all eighty two games,

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starting nine and averaging just under ten points a game

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on inefficient shooting.

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Speaker 1: Would you have had this by now? Uh No, he's

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just like all these clues are just so like obside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think we get to.

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Speaker 4: I think the next clue is where I would be

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like dialing in, because otherwise I would just be naming

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Grizzlies draft picks.

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Speaker 2: And this guy's not someone I associate with the Grizzlies.

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If that helps it.

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Speaker 3: All No, it makes it worse.

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Speaker 2: All right, you're ready for clue five. This is where

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it happens for you.

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Speaker 1: I think uh, late first, Yeah, just go, let's just right.

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Speaker 2: Clue five.

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Speaker 4: In my third year, I was slated to compete for

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a starting role with a good friend of mine. I

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lost the starting job, got pissed, and was traded at

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the deadline to a division rival in a three team

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deal that also included Rayfer Alston, A Donald Foyle, Mike Wilkes,

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and Brian Cook. I'd finished that season as the starter

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on a playoff team.

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Speaker 3: Not bad, so they went to the Spurs.

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Speaker 1: If they were on a playoff team, but it was

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a division rival, would be my well. I guess the

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Mavericks are in there too, don't a foil? Isn't that

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former Maverick as well?

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Speaker 4: I only think of Foyle on the Warriors, but I

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don't remember him being in that trade. Rafer Alston, I

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feel like, is the clue is the most helpful clue?

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Speaker 2: Team wise?

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Speaker 3: They said they were traded in division? Was part of

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that clue?

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Speaker 2: Right right?

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Speaker 3: Who ended up on Memphis? Don't hear that the Detroit

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I still got nothing?

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Speaker 2: All right? Clue six.

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Speaker 4: After three seasons with this team, the front office replaced

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Rick Adelman with Kevin McHale. McHale didn't like me, and

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I didn't like him. We clashed constantly. I was labeled

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a locker room cancer and the team needed to get

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rid of me.

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Speaker 2: Pronto.

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Speaker 4: I was sent to Toronto for Gary Forbes and a first.

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Speaker 3: All right, so now I know him?

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Speaker 1: And wait, so they replaced who Kevin McHale.

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Speaker 2: Replaced Rick Adelman.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now at least know the team.

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Speaker 2: God, I did not remember Rick Adelman coaching there.

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Speaker 1: And he's the him to cancer and then traded to Toronto.

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Is Kyle Lowry?

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Speaker 2: It is Kyle Lowry?

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Speaker 4: Good job?

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Speaker 3: All right? How many more clues did I have?

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Speaker 2: You had? Three?

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Speaker 3: More?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Clue seven? That move turned out to be the best

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thing that ever happened to me. I learned how to shoot,

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became a consistency.

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Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah, we've already talked about Kyle Lowry and our

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Isaiah Collier comp on a separate pod.

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Speaker 2: Uh so there he's come back again.

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Speaker 4: I once took me on trip to the McDonald's drive

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through or three in which is on foot. Okay, one

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the title and I'm the greatest player in the history

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of the franchise. Eight went to Miami and assigned and

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trade for Dragic and Precious at Chua.

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Speaker 2: Miami was never.

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Speaker 4: A great fit for me, traded for uh for betting

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King himself Terry Roseier Clute nine, I'm now playing for

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my hometown team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You got it at the right time, because you should

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get it at clue six.

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Speaker 2: I think a clue.

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Speaker 1: Five, I guess you could have, but I don't remember

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the I remember Kyle Lowry. I forgot he was drafted

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so late in the first round.

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Speaker 3: I keep thinking he was high. Yeah, are you ready

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for yours?

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Speaker 2: Have to get inside the mind of a psychopath for this.

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Speaker 1: You do, I will say as a as a bonus clue,

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this one is fairly psychotic.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, okay, So I'm gonna turn my volume up

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one more notch so I can truly just I want

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to be surrounded by the clues.

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Speaker 3: Clue number one.

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Speaker 1: I was drafted in the lottery out of high school

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and won an NBA title in my second season.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, lottery out of high school NBA title, second season.

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Speaker 2: We don't have any We got no years, we got

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no nothing to anchor us to. Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to try with a one shot kill though,

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who's winning a title in his second season.

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Speaker 2: Out of high school? Lottery? I don't even have any

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good guesses. I will just say Dewan I don't even

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think he came out of high school.

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Speaker 3: But did he even win a title? I don't know.

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It's not him. Clue too.

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Speaker 1: I started forty four of my total games played during

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my ten year career as a journeyman.

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Speaker 4: Big journeyman, big out of high school ten years, not

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a full time starter. There's only so many guys that

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could be right, man, Why can't I think of.

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Speaker 2: Any high school big guys. Uh, it's like no Courier Chandler.

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Those guys will started a lot. I don't.

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Speaker 4: At the In the interest of avoiding dead air, I'm

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going to ask for the next clue.

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Speaker 1: Whole point of guess a player and falling into the

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gap is dead air.

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Speaker 2: Fine, I can give you dead air. That's what you want.

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Speaker 1: Clue number three. In my final NBA season, my PR

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was a rarely seen negative thirty point two. Yes, Dan

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read that correctly. I played five for the entire season.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, this is this is cruel. High school big

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guy was terrible at the end.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: The forty is like so basically a starter for half

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his career, so he couldn't in ten years couldn't have

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you just start throwing the names.

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Speaker 4: Well, so Kwalme Brown came up, and then I was like,

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he didn't win a title in his second year. The

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title in the second year is really throwing me. Deshaun

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Stevenson won a title, but that was like way late

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Speaker 2: He was out of high school. He's not a big guy.

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Speaker 4: So you can see how unmored I am from the answer.

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So I'll take the next clue.

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Speaker 3: Clue number four.

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Speaker 1: Incredibly, I never had a season with a positive box

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plus minus. My best BPM was my third season, where

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I finished with a negative point two across fifty five

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games with stints in Orlando and.

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Speaker 2: Detroit Orlando Detroit.

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Speaker 4: So basically is that saying his best box plus minus

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Speaker 1: It was the best box excuse me, best box plus

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minus year was when he spent time with Orlando and Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Negative point two was the final.

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Speaker 4: Now we're talking high school guy on Orlando and Detroit

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or that that played it split a year.

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Speaker 2: So what kind of Orlando Detroit trade was there?

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: I still can't think of any big guys out of

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high school that won titles.

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Speaker 1: Uh hmm, I didn't know you were so pro college.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing this on purpose?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: I just believe the youth of America should get a

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proper education. The Warriors broadcaster will never miss an opportunity

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to praise a player for having gone to school for

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four years, just every every single time. Uh, let's see

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Orlando Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Fuck, I don't have it.

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Speaker 3: This is clue number five?

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Speaker 2: How many do I have? How many clues are there six?

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Speaker 3: So this is your pen ultimate clue.

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Speaker 1: I was a lefty and my nickname, according to Basketball

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Reference is the human victory cigar.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've read that.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was because this isn't the answer and

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he's not a big man. I thought that was Keith

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Bogan's's nickname for some reason.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you know would you've gotten this yet?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 1: It's easy for me to so I will say yes,

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I probably would have, because b Rich didn't give me

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the name in the guess a player when he gave

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me the clues. But this is who I thought. It

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was after the clue one or was it clue to

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It was after clue it was after clue one. This

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might have been one shot kill for me. I'm not

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gonna what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the first clue?

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Speaker 3: Again?

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Speaker 1: So I did say to be Rich that he's either

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gonna get where I said that I don't think he's

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gonna get this until the last clue. So it's like

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you really had the glom onto the first one, but

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it was I was drafted in the lottery out of

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high school and won an NBA title in my second season.

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You will if it's you will get it. You're not

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gonna miss this one.

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Speaker 2: I'm not confident. I really don't have a go you.

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Speaker 1: There's no way either of us ever would have missed

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this one.

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Speaker 2: And it's why don't you pile Okay, give me the

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clue please.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to take a shot at the human.

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Speaker 2: I'm this one's just like floating in space. I can't

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find it.

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Speaker 1: Clue the final clue number six. Detroit could have drafted Carmelo,

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Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, or even Mikail Petrice instead of me.

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Speaker 2: He sent out a high school This is Darko. Yeah,

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this is dark I don't did he go.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm this is being played under protest. What

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high school did Darko go?

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Speaker 1: To Amiska in Navi Sad Serbia.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we're drafting Serbian high schoolers.

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Speaker 2: That's what this is.

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Speaker 4: I refuse to accept this, this guess a player. I

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don't do this often, Dan, but I am filing a

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formal protest. I believe that the first clue is misleading

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and I will not allow this to sit on my

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permanent record.

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Speaker 1: Now that I am thinking back, I think what really

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clued me into it when I was going through this

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was when I saw the Detroit and Orlando thing, which

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was clue four. So I might even be hot sighting

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it a little bit with drafted out of high school.

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Speaker 4: Drafted out of high school threw me completely because I

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don't that's not how I think of European imports as

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having Oh yeah, that's a high school player.

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Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't I listen. I'm not going

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to make excuses.

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Speaker 1: You're invalidating European. This European education system.

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Speaker 4: I don't know a lot about the European high school system,

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to be fair, but this was a travesty and I

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don't accept the results. Over eighteen points per game in

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my final three years of college after starting my NCAA

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journey at Bradley.

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Speaker 1: I averaged what was that could read that back lease?

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Speaker 4: Eighteen per game in my final three years of college

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after starting at Bradley.

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Speaker 1: All these college clues, Doug, Oh wait, what was the

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college Bradley?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, fuck, but that was the first college.

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Speaker 4: That was the first college, not the college where he

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averaged eighteen a game?

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Speaker 1: Did Doug McDermott go to Bradley in one year?

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Speaker 3: Try to one to Chock Yil.

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Speaker 4: I respect the attempt. I'm having a heart. I think

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I know the college this guy got good at, but

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I'm not confident. You want clue number two. Yeah, despite

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my impressive twenty four plus points, twelve plus rebounds, and

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five plus blocks per game my senior year of high

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school and had an exceptional IQ, I was accepted into Yale.

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I only received one D one offer late in the

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recruiting process from the previously mentioned Bradley, just getting a

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lot of information that I did not know about this.

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Speaker 1: Player twenty and five blocks went to Bradley, then averaged

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eighteen across his other three years in college. It's not

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Jermaine o'il was drafted out a high school, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's correct.

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Speaker 4: He was drafted out of an American high school, which

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is what people refer to when they're normally talking about Americans.

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Speaker 3: Could I have the next clue?

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Speaker 2: I guess? Clude number three.

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Speaker 4: I was a one time All Star, second team All

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Rookie and winner of the Most Improved.

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Speaker 3: Player Award Danny Granger Bang.

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Speaker 2: Excellent job. I think we might have done this before,

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but I'm not sure. Clude number four.

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Speaker 4: I was the first player in NBA history to up

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my season scoring average by five plus points in three

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straight years. That won't They will only be true until

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Norman Powell averages thirty seven a game next year.

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Speaker 2: Clue five.

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Speaker 4: I was considered one of the cheat codes to play

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as in two K eleven six. During my All Star season,

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I averaged over twenty five a game.

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Speaker 2: What a Danny Granger year?

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Speaker 3: That was?

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Speaker 2: Man seven.

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Speaker 4: Despite averaging over eighteen in five straight seasons, my prime

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was cut short due to lingering knee injuries, making my

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career come to an almost dead stop after my seventh season.

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Speaker 3: God is that all? It was?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And then eight.

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Speaker 4: Similar to my once thought to be future star counterpart PG,

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I spent my age thirty season playing for the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: But I'm most notably remembered for my time in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: That was fun as per usual, so everybody continued to

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send us them and submit them. I haven't set up

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the subservers yet, Grant reminded me.

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Speaker 3: I will do that this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and just as a as a final point, please

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be clear in your clues, especially the first clue, because

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it can mislead someone and make them look a fool.

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If you think that you can just say darko milicic

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went to high school.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. What was that preface with though,

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that you need to get into the mind of a what?

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Speaker 2: Oh right? Yeah, well I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess like psychopaths don't abide by rules typically

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or like have like ethical groundings, so I guess that's

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what I should have expected.

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Speaker 1: As always, great review subscribe shout out to Frank Neil

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kina At apologies to shut around and apparently Grant very

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agreevous