Speaker 1: What is up, FELLOWSI goos. It is Guess a Player time,
Volume two, in the new era of Guess a Player.
We won't waste any time here. Let's see if you
can beat me or Grant to the punch. Grant is
going to read me some clues first, and as always,
if you want to submit your own guest of players
to try and stump Grant or myself, join our discord.
The link to that is where Grant in the YouTube
and podcast description.
Speaker 2: That's exactly where it is.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I'd like to say that I'm ready, but I'm not.
Let's let's begin anyway.
Speaker 4: We'll just start, all right. This is from Mike uh
Clue number one. I was a late first round pick
of the Grizzlies in the mid two thousands.
Speaker 1: I feel like I should should have just gotta try, right,
I mid first round pick. I was about to name
people that weren't.
Speaker 4: A late first round pick mid two thousands. Brandon Right,
great guests. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: It was a Warriors pick.
Speaker 1: And he was early. He wasn't he he wasn't late?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was fortunately house Swift another great guess.
Speaker 2: I think he was like fourth though he was a high.
Speaker 1: Pick, and he wasn't wearing the Tonys or something. Just
let me see it.
Speaker 3: Austin Big Country.
Speaker 4: Austin Reeves's dad, All right, clude over two. It wasn't
any of those guys. If you look back at my draft,
I'm at worst the fourth best player from this class.
But notable names taken ahead of me were Mohammed Senne.
I think that's how you say that, Rinaldo Balkman, you
remember him, Tyrus Thomas, Rodney Carney, Quincy Dubie, and Josh
Boone to name a few. Those guys all went ahead
of this at Grizzlies pick that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think this is this is from Mike yeah, each
I think Mike Aah and I have different interpretations of
the word notable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. He's the most notable of that group. Uh,
Tyres Thomas, maybe.
Speaker 1: Ronaldo Balkman, right, Oh, maybe Tyrs Thomas. Yeah, I don't
even know what draft ran. I think Ronaldo was like
pre too, he was pre twenty ten, but he was
like late, he was closer to it. So who is
drafted in like two thousand.
Speaker 2: I think you're in the right area time wise.
Speaker 1: But late first, this is this draft stuff is just
me and keep going.
Speaker 4: It's not okay, so this is a non draft related thing.
Speaker 2: Clue number three.
Speaker 4: As a rookie, I appeared in ten games before severely
breaking my wrist, requiring season ending surgery.
Speaker 2: I do not remember this.
Speaker 1: Uh ten games, late two thousand's, late first round, broken
my wrist. Oh they're draft by the Grizzlies. That was
the first clue, right, yep, all right, that doesn't really
help me, but I should probably keep it in mind anyway, No,
go ahead.
Speaker 2: Clue number four.
Speaker 4: In year two, I appeared in all eighty two games,
starting nine and averaging just under ten points a game
on inefficient shooting.
Speaker 1: Would you have had this by now? Uh No, he's
just like all these clues are just so like obside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think we get to.
Speaker 4: I think the next clue is where I would be
like dialing in, because otherwise I would just be naming
Grizzlies draft picks.
Speaker 2: And this guy's not someone I associate with the Grizzlies.
If that helps it.
Speaker 3: All No, it makes it worse.
Speaker 2: All right, you're ready for clue five. This is where
it happens for you.
Speaker 1: I think uh, late first, Yeah, just go, let's just right.
Speaker 2: Clue five.
Speaker 4: In my third year, I was slated to compete for
a starting role with a good friend of mine. I
lost the starting job, got pissed, and was traded at
the deadline to a division rival in a three team
deal that also included Rayfer Alston, A Donald Foyle, Mike Wilkes,
and Brian Cook. I'd finished that season as the starter
on a playoff team.
Speaker 3: Not bad, so they went to the Spurs.
Speaker 1: If they were on a playoff team, but it was
a division rival, would be my well. I guess the
Mavericks are in there too, don't a foil? Isn't that
former Maverick as well?
Speaker 4: I only think of Foyle on the Warriors, but I
don't remember him being in that trade. Rafer Alston, I
feel like, is the clue is the most helpful clue?
Speaker 2: Team wise?
Speaker 3: They said they were traded in division? Was part of
that clue?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 3: Who ended up on Memphis? Don't hear that the Detroit
I still got nothing?
Speaker 2: All right? Clue six.
Speaker 4: After three seasons with this team, the front office replaced
Rick Adelman with Kevin McHale. McHale didn't like me, and
I didn't like him. We clashed constantly. I was labeled
a locker room cancer and the team needed to get
rid of me.
Speaker 2: Pronto.
Speaker 4: I was sent to Toronto for Gary Forbes and a first.
Speaker 3: All right, so now I know him?
Speaker 1: And wait, so they replaced who Kevin McHale.
Speaker 2: Replaced Rick Adelman.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now at least know the team.
Speaker 2: God, I did not remember Rick Adelman coaching there.
Speaker 1: And he's the him to cancer and then traded to Toronto.
Is Kyle Lowry?
Speaker 2: It is Kyle Lowry?
Speaker 4: Good job?
Speaker 3: All right? How many more clues did I have?
Speaker 2: You had? Three?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Clue seven? That move turned out to be the best
thing that ever happened to me. I learned how to shoot,
became a consistency.
Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah, we've already talked about Kyle Lowry and our
Isaiah Collier comp on a separate pod.
Speaker 2: Uh so there he's come back again.
Speaker 4: I once took me on trip to the McDonald's drive
through or three in which is on foot. Okay, one
the title and I'm the greatest player in the history
of the franchise. Eight went to Miami and assigned and
trade for Dragic and Precious at Chua.
Speaker 2: Miami was never.
Speaker 4: A great fit for me, traded for uh for betting
King himself Terry Roseier Clute nine, I'm now playing for
my hometown team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You got it at the right time, because you should
get it at clue six.
Speaker 2: I think a clue.
Speaker 1: Five, I guess you could have, but I don't remember
the I remember Kyle Lowry. I forgot he was drafted
so late in the first round.
Speaker 3: I keep thinking he was high. Yeah, are you ready
for yours?
Speaker 2: Have to get inside the mind of a psychopath for this.
Speaker 1: You do, I will say as a as a bonus clue,
this one is fairly psychotic.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, okay, So I'm gonna turn my volume up
one more notch so I can truly just I want
to be surrounded by the clues.
Speaker 3: Clue number one.
Speaker 1: I was drafted in the lottery out of high school
and won an NBA title in my second season.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, lottery out of high school NBA title, second season.
Speaker 2: We don't have any We got no years, we got
no nothing to anchor us to. Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to try with a one shot kill though,
who's winning a title in his second season.
Speaker 2: Out of high school? Lottery? I don't even have any
good guesses. I will just say Dewan I don't even
think he came out of high school.
Speaker 3: But did he even win a title? I don't know.
It's not him. Clue too.
Speaker 1: I started forty four of my total games played during
my ten year career as a journeyman.
Speaker 4: Big journeyman, big out of high school ten years, not
a full time starter. There's only so many guys that
could be right, man, Why can't I think of.
Speaker 2: Any high school big guys. Uh, it's like no Courier Chandler.
Those guys will started a lot. I don't.
Speaker 4: At the In the interest of avoiding dead air, I'm
going to ask for the next clue.
Speaker 1: Whole point of guess a player and falling into the
gap is dead air.
Speaker 2: Fine, I can give you dead air. That's what you want.
Speaker 1: Clue number three. In my final NBA season, my PR
was a rarely seen negative thirty point two. Yes, Dan
read that correctly. I played five for the entire season.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, this is this is cruel. High school big
guy was terrible at the end.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: The forty is like so basically a starter for half
his career, so he couldn't in ten years couldn't have
been that bad.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you just start throwing the names.
Speaker 4: Well, so Kwalme Brown came up, and then I was like,
he didn't win a title in his second year. The
title in the second year is really throwing me. Deshaun
Stevenson won a title, but that was like way late
in his career.
Speaker 2: He was out of high school. He's not a big guy.
Speaker 4: So you can see how unmored I am from the answer.
So I'll take the next clue.
Speaker 3: Clue number four.
Speaker 1: Incredibly, I never had a season with a positive box
plus minus. My best BPM was my third season, where
I finished with a negative point two across fifty five
games with stints in Orlando and.
Speaker 2: Detroit Orlando Detroit.
Speaker 4: So basically is that saying his best box plus minus
years were Orlando Detroit.
Speaker 1: It was the best box excuse me, best box plus
minus year was when he spent time with Orlando and Detroit.
Speaker 3: Negative point two was the final.
Speaker 4: Now we're talking high school guy on Orlando and Detroit
or that that played it split a year.
Speaker 2: So what kind of Orlando Detroit trade was there?
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 4: I still can't think of any big guys out of
high school that won titles.
Speaker 1: Uh hmm, I didn't know you were so pro college.
Speaker 3: Are you doing this on purpose?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I just believe the youth of America should get a
proper education. The Warriors broadcaster will never miss an opportunity
to praise a player for having gone to school for
four years, just every every single time. Uh, let's see
Orlando Detroit.
Speaker 2: Fuck, I don't have it.
Speaker 3: This is clue number five?
Speaker 2: How many do I have? How many clues are there six?
Speaker 3: So this is your pen ultimate clue.
Speaker 1: I was a lefty and my nickname, according to Basketball
Reference is the human victory cigar.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've read that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was because this isn't the answer and
he's not a big man. I thought that was Keith
Bogan's's nickname for some reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you know would you've gotten this yet?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 1: It's easy for me to so I will say yes,
I probably would have, because b Rich didn't give me
the name in the guess a player when he gave
me the clues. But this is who I thought. It
was after the clue one or was it clue to
It was after clue it was after clue one. This
might have been one shot kill for me. I'm not
gonna what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the first clue?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: So I did say to be Rich that he's either
gonna get where I said that I don't think he's
gonna get this until the last clue. So it's like
you really had the glom onto the first one, but
it was I was drafted in the lottery out of
high school and won an NBA title in my second season.
You will if it's you will get it. You're not
gonna miss this one.
Speaker 2: I'm not confident. I really don't have a go you.
Speaker 1: There's no way either of us ever would have missed
this one.
Speaker 2: And it's why don't you pile Okay, give me the
clue please.
Speaker 1: You don't want to take a shot at the human.
Speaker 2: I'm this one's just like floating in space. I can't
find it.
Speaker 1: Clue the final clue number six. Detroit could have drafted Carmelo,
Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, or even Mikail Petrice instead of me.
Speaker 2: He sent out a high school This is Darko. Yeah,
this is dark I don't did he go.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm this is being played under protest. What
high school did Darko go?
Speaker 1: To Amiska in Navi Sad Serbia.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're drafting Serbian high schoolers.
Speaker 2: That's what this is.
Speaker 4: I refuse to accept this, this guess a player. I
don't do this often, Dan, but I am filing a
formal protest. I believe that the first clue is misleading
and I will not allow this to sit on my
permanent record.
Speaker 1: Now that I am thinking back, I think what really
clued me into it when I was going through this
was when I saw the Detroit and Orlando thing, which
was clue four. So I might even be hot sighting
it a little bit with drafted out of high school.
Speaker 4: Drafted out of high school threw me completely because I
don't that's not how I think of European imports as
having Oh yeah, that's a high school player.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't I listen. I'm not going
to make excuses.
Speaker 1: You're invalidating European. This European education system.
Speaker 4: I don't know a lot about the European high school system,
to be fair, but this was a travesty and I
don't accept the results. Over eighteen points per game in
my final three years of college after starting my NCAA
journey at Bradley.
Speaker 1: I averaged what was that could read that back lease?
Speaker 4: Eighteen per game in my final three years of college
after starting at Bradley.
Speaker 1: All these college clues, Doug, Oh wait, what was the
college Bradley?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, fuck, but that was the first college.
Speaker 4: That was the first college, not the college where he
averaged eighteen a game?
Speaker 1: Did Doug McDermott go to Bradley in one year?
Speaker 3: Try to one to Chock Yil.
Speaker 4: I respect the attempt. I'm having a heart. I think
I know the college this guy got good at, but
I'm not confident. You want clue number two. Yeah, despite
my impressive twenty four plus points, twelve plus rebounds, and
five plus blocks per game my senior year of high
school and had an exceptional IQ, I was accepted into Yale.
I only received one D one offer late in the
recruiting process from the previously mentioned Bradley, just getting a
lot of information that I did not know about this.
Speaker 1: Player twenty and five blocks went to Bradley, then averaged
eighteen across his other three years in college. It's not
Jermaine o'il was drafted out a high school, right.
Speaker 2: And that's correct.
Speaker 4: He was drafted out of an American high school, which
is what people refer to when they're normally talking about Americans.
Speaker 3: Could I have the next clue?
Speaker 2: I guess? Clude number three.
Speaker 4: I was a one time All Star, second team All
Rookie and winner of the Most Improved.
Speaker 3: Player Award Danny Granger Bang.
Speaker 2: Excellent job. I think we might have done this before,
but I'm not sure. Clude number four.
Speaker 4: I was the first player in NBA history to up
my season scoring average by five plus points in three
straight years. That won't They will only be true until
Norman Powell averages thirty seven a game next year.
Speaker 2: Clue five.
Speaker 4: I was considered one of the cheat codes to play
as in two K eleven six. During my All Star season,
I averaged over twenty five a game.
Speaker 2: What a Danny Granger year?
Speaker 3: That was?
Speaker 2: Man seven.
Speaker 4: Despite averaging over eighteen in five straight seasons, my prime
was cut short due to lingering knee injuries, making my
career come to an almost dead stop after my seventh season.
Speaker 3: God is that all? It was?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: And then eight.
Speaker 4: Similar to my once thought to be future star counterpart PG,
I spent my age thirty season playing for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: But I'm most notably remembered for my time in Indiana.
Speaker 1: That was fun as per usual, so everybody continued to
send us them and submit them. I haven't set up
the subservers yet, Grant reminded me.
Speaker 3: I will do that this weekend.
Speaker 4: Yes, and just as a as a final point, please
be clear in your clues, especially the first clue, because
it can mislead someone and make them look a fool.
If you think that you can just say darko milicic
went to high school.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. What was that preface with though,
that you need to get into the mind of a what?
Speaker 2: Oh right? Yeah, well I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess like psychopaths don't abide by rules typically
or like have like ethical groundings, so I guess that's
what I should have expected.
Speaker 1: As always, great review subscribe shout out to Frank Neil
kina At apologies to shut around and apparently Grant very
agreevous