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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this week's episode of Loving Animals. But doctor

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Robin Ganser, I'm your host, and I'm so thrilled that

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you've tuned into this week's podcast featuring our favorite subject,

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Loving Animals. Well, today we're not only going to talk

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about our love for animals, but we're going to talk

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about how animals can be one end of a healing leash. Yes,

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we're talking about our service dog and a shelter program

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which is quite stunning, and how it is able to

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impact the lives of veterans, those who serve on the

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front lines of the war in Terror. And today I

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am so thrilled and really truly honored to interduce to

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you our guest. Our guest is Chris Ford. He serves

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as the CEO of the National Association of Veterans Serving

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Organizations in AVSO. His leadership, his passion, really his entrepreneurship

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has moved in a VSO from really a concept to

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a public launch just in twenty fourteen, and this group

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is now really answering the long demanded call for a

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national collaborative for the nation's forty thousand plus military and

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Veterans serving organizations. Chris has developed and implemented a strategic

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direction of this organization in response to really the complex

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needs of veterans and military families. Chris is an amazing veteran,

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a twenty year Air Force veteran, retiring in twenty fourteen

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from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where he's served in

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the Chairman's Office of Warrior and Family Support. Chris has

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leveraged his incredible expertise and perspectives on veteran reintegration to

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assist and help communities across eighteen states seeking to improve

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their support from military families. He himself has served in

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nearly a dozen countries around the globe, supporting operations Southern Watch,

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Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Chris holds a bachelor's degree

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from the United States Air Force Academy and Academy grad

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two master's degree, one from the University of South Carolina

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which I love USC and one from the Naval Postgraduate School.

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And additionally, his incredible pedigree includes being a graduate of

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the Air Force Squadron Office for School, the FBI's National Academy,

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Air Command and Staff College, on and on. This gentleman

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is an incredible and incredible patriot, incredible hero, and I'm

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so delighted to introduce you to Chris Ford. Chris, Welcome

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to our show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, doctor Ganzer. I'm really honored to be with you

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today and I'm really honored to share with you some

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of the things we're doing together to help veterans and

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military families.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Please do call me Robin and Chris. It is

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amazing to meet you. And again I have to congratulate

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you on the incredibly successful launch of in AVSO, the

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National Association of Veterans Serving Organizations, the Veterans Serving Community.

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I did not realize it was forty thousand plus organizations

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serving veterans and military families. That's remarkable. Just goes to

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show how America really does support those who are serving

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in our country. It's remarkable. But to have a national

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collaborative for this broad and complex group of entities is

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truly needed, and I congratulate you on this effort.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain a little bit about the work you

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do it in a VSO and the mission certainly so.

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Speaker 3: At NAVSO, as we like to call it for short,

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we're squarely focused on transforming the veteran service marketplace into

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a much more effective mechanism where veterans and military families

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can find quality supports to live productive lives. We do

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this in a couple of ways, but primarily we like

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to scan the marketplace for leading challenges that plague these

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families from thrive being looking for opportunities where we might

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be able to help, and then when we find certain opportunities,

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we focus on those by delivering innovations that might act

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as accelerators for impact for veterans and military families. As

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you described, it's a really broad marketplace with thousands of

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private organizations plus government agencies at the local, state, and

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federal level, and so it's a very complex web that

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we try to help scan through and make things a

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little bit easier for those families to find the supports

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they need when they fall into crisis, so that those

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crises are rare, short and non reoccurring.

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Speaker 2: So very important because it is so complex. I think

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if I was sitting at home as a military spouse

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wondering how to get my partner at service doll that

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would be challenging as well, and so having an incredible

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entity such as yours really helping veterans find their support

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has to make such a big difference. It's such a

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noble cause. Chris, with such a broad focus, what are

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some some of the challenges that veterans face after serving

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our country?

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Speaker 3: Well, great question, Robin. I mean, there are many, ranging

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from unemployment to homelessness or financial crises to mental health

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concerns such as depression. But the majority of these issues

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at their core really relate to the psychology of their

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transition from leaving the military to becoming a veteran. And

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it's not just a veteran, it's their whole family that's

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been with them on this military service journey. Let me

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explain that a little bit more clearly. Most veterans undergoing

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separation from the military are taught to view this military

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to civilian transition really as a basket of economic choices.

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One has to secure a job, pursue perhaps additional education

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or vocational training, maybe relocate, secure housing, access new healthcare

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and benefits, all with the intent of assuming some new

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role as a satisfied, productive and purposeful civilian. But recent leaders,

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myself included, have been proposing a different concept that this

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seria to civilian transition is less about a basket of

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economic choices. It's more about a psychology and cultural evolution

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in which the veteran needs to find a path of

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re orientation and self redefinition, sometimes while acclimatizing to new

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definitions of wellness. But it's really about them moving quite

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abruptly from a collectivist community to an individualist one. And

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life transitions are some of the most challenging and most

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impactful and often misunderstood experiences in the human condition. And

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the key difference is that transition at its core is

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a psychological process. These families and the veterans themselves lose

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a lot of their identity by taking that military uniform off,

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where they were part of a bigger team around one mission,

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all wearing the same jersey, if you will, week after

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weekday after day, working for a higher purpose. And when

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they take that off, it's really hard sometimes to deal

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with that psychological and cultural change.

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Speaker 2: That has to be an unbelievable feeling. You know, I

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think about our first responders at American You may as well,

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when they have spent that time serving after Hurricane Irma

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and Harvey. I know that it was tough when they

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went back home and again you take off that uniform.

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It makes such sense. Why you put it? Assuming that

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you know, some of our veterans really struggle to overcome

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these psychological challenges which have to be so significant. What

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are the causes and the symptoms?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, not all veterans are created equal, and

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not all veterans go through the same transition challenges. So

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while most veterans successfully navigate their transition, some in a

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matter of weeks, some in a matter of months with

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little or no supports required, there are some veterans, especially

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those suffering from trauma or post traumatic stress or traumatic

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brain injury, that need additional helps such as therapy, medication,

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or even service dogs. And so it's the causes from

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their military experiences that lead to some of these mental

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health challenges and those symptoms. Like anyone else who's experienced

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non combat related trauma or exposure to certain incidents has

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those same types of symptoms, which may include, you know,

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as I mentioned, depression, or traumatic stress, or even a

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brain injury. So they vary. And one thing I want

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to caution here is that while the circumstances leading to

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those symptoms may be different than non US military veterans,

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the modalities of treatment for those are almost universally the same.

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So whether your post traumatic stress comes from a car

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accident or from combat exposure, the modalities of treatment are

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usually the same, and it's really important that we recognize that.

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So we don't do a disservice to the veteran community

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to think that the causes of our challenges means that

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their treatments have to be so unique. We can all

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do this together by applying a lot of the same

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methodologies we use for any person suffering from a mental

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health disorder.

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Speaker 2: That's impactful. That's so impactful. Thanks for tuning into this

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Loving Animals with your host Robin ganzart Well,

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let's switch gears a little bit because I know one

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of the ways that you and I have have shared

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a passionate interest for is the alternative therapy, such as

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working with service dogs. Can you share with our listeners

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about American Humane and your incredible organization's joint effort relating

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to veterans and service dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're excited about this too. It's been a great

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partnership for us, as you know, but the audience may

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not know that. Dating back all the way to a

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summit we helped American Humane facilitate in September of te sixteen.

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We've been walking alongside of you and your staff find

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opportunities to improve veteran access to quality service dogs so

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at NAVSO as part of our innovations model, we use

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a human centered design methodology where we help partners develop

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a roadmap of ways that organizations can really make positive change.

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I think many of us who are trying to solve

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complex social issues go to the same convenience and meetings

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and talking around the same issue, but really not making

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much progress. Whereas our methodology, using this human centered design,

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we handed back to American Humane and roadmap based on

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stakeholder and thought leader feedback from that summit to say, here,

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American Humane, if you want to improve veteran access to

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quality service dogs supports, here are a few things that

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you could do. And one of those recommendations and one

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of those challenges that we're excited to partner with you

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on is what we've called Together Operations Service Dog Access

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and this free service for veterans who suffer for mental

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health issues that already have a service dog, we walk

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them through an application process that leads to a third

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party assessment and if they pass that assessment, they receive

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a credential for the veteran and his or her dog

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to reflect that they are an ADA compliant team, and

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once credentialed, this team is then added to our national

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registry and as we expect, they will be able to

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move around the nation in public spaces such as restaurants

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and hotels, and even on airlines more confidently with this

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new gold standard ID that we expect industry to be

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looking for to say, this is a legitimate service animal,

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even if you don't see a physical disability in its owner,

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you should know that it is ADA compliant and should

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be afforded the access offered by the ADA or even

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the ACAA if they're on an airline.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that's absolutely such a brilliant, brilliant

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program operations service dog access. You know, you and I

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both have seen and heard this arsonal stories of veterans

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with service dogs being denied access to flights, denied access

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to restaurants, embarrassed, you know, in public through various conversations

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with the service workers, not letting them have access, not

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letting them be able to go about a more normal life,

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which was the whole purpose of a service dog to

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begin with. So this program is going to be so exciting.

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I was reading over the weekend where Delta, one of

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the airlines, just really start to tighten their policies around

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service dogs. And a group like Delta, and a company

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like Delta is going to so welcome operation service dog access.

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I believe that so many people get service dogs emotional

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support animals all confused, and I think something like this

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is going to help clear the confusion. Chris, I don't

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know if he'd recalled, but there was even an emotional

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support turkey on a plane on a Delta flight last year.

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animals when you and I both know that turkeys not

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to go through. And gosh, there was a turkey, there

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was a duck, And of course it's funny on social

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media to see those photos, but you and I both

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know it's not funny when the reaction to such incidences

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causes a knee jerk reaction which denies a service dog

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with a legitimate service dog with a legitimate wounded warrior

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access to public services. And that does sometimes become the

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knee jerk reaction. But I appaud Delta for putting more

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rigor and saying it's only their systems only apply to

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service dog because I'm sure everyone's going to look forward

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to Operations Service Dog Access. Where can veterans and service

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dog providers learn more about Operation Service Dog Access in

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this exciting new partnership.

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Speaker 3: Well great, We're actually just this month launched our official

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website for this initiative, and it is wwwservicedogaccess dot org

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and anyone who's interested in this innovative program can go

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there to learn more about it. Veterans who've served their

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country who have a service dog as one of their

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modalities for treatment can apply to go through our pilot

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phase of this project. Anyone who works around the country

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in various industries from hotels or restaurants or even the

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airlines as we've discussed, can also go here to learn

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more about the program and sign up for updates if

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they want to keep abreast of our progress. We're running

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a pilot program between now and summer of twenty eighteen

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to test our theories for this system and how it's

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going to work and support veterans with their service dogs,

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and we anticipate learning quite a bit through that pilot

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phase and once we're done with that, going into a

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full beta phase starting this summer, where we'll accept more

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applicants to go through the process and try and get

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more and more veterans through this just to make their

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lives easier and similarly the lives of those frontline employees easier,

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so that they don't feel that they need to challenge

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people and they get that uncomfortable conversation over and over again.

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They can look for this new credential and feel more

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confident that that's a legitimate service animal with their owner.

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Speaker 2: Bravo and Bravo. Well, Chris, you know, helping veterans with

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this assessment and credentialing makes so much sense. But how

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effective it'll be that people don't really know about it.

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Our research has found that sixty nine percent almost seventy

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percent of retail employees so they've never received any training

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from their employer on the questions they are legally allowed

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to ask customers to verify in animal as a service dog.

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Speaker 3: You're right, Robin, this this effort is really most helpful

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if we do two things in concert with this program.

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One is Educate America, and we're really lucky that, as

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you know, we've secured a support from Mars PetCare, who

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helped sponsor our initial summit along with the Chultz Family Foundation.

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While Mars Pretcare has decided to help us going forward

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with by creating two short public service announcement videos that

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we plan to use to educate employees about the dues

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and don'ts as it relates to service dog So that's

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going to be a very helpful tool set for us

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to share widely with industry employees so they learn more

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about how to be a service dog friendly business. And secondarily,

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we believe that adopting and enforcing a national standard around

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the training and certification of service dogs for persons with

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these disorders is a key step as well, and we've

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been excited that we've been working alongside with your team

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on a change dot org petition will actually go live

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this week where we're asking Congress, who's already introduced those

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national standards that American Humane Scientific Advisory Committee helped create

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into one bill on the Hill, So we're applauding Congress

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for doing that, but we're also asking them to make

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sure that that same national standard applies to all the

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bills that are currently in Congress. I believe to date

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there are five separate bills relating to service dogs and veterans,

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and you know, as organizations were kind of agnostic about

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which one of those gets across the finish line and

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the next congressional session. We just hope that whichever one

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does take into account the Scientific Advisory Committee recommendations for

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a national standard. So again, that petition will go live

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this week. I'm changed at org. If people search for

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the National Association of Veterans Serving Organizations, they should sign

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that petition later this week and they can sign it

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and tell Congress that they support veterans getting access to

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high quality service dogs.

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Speaker 2: Bramo, that's wonderful. I know the back to the website

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that's going to launch www dot service Dogaccess dot org,

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and of course also search for NABSO on change dot

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org to find that petition. Is that right, Chris? That's right, wonderful.

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Any final words or thoughts for our listeners. Chris has

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been such an informative time together. Learned so much about

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what your organization does and certainly the commitment for for

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service dogs. Any other thoughts for our listeners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been great. We're just so grateful for

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the opportunity to share the exciting work we've been doing

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with the American Humane around the cause that we're very

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passionate about, and that's vetter and mental health. You know,

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the caution I would have or listeners is don't fall

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to a lot of the media or film or movie

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or television portrayal that every veteran is broken or a hero.

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Far too often these media portrayals make it look like

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either we're all Metal of Honor recipients or we're all

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suffering from PTSD and we're unstable. Well, the reality is

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the bell curve of veterans are job ready citizens who

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are actively serving in their communities, living very productive lives.

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But we know that some still struggle with some barriers

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as a result of their military experience. This is where

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service dogs can help them and other treatments can help them.

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everybody is either broken or a hero. We certainly have

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people who suffer in those who have done amazing things,

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but all in all, give veterans a chance to be

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individuals and meet them where they're at because they're all

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at different phases of their life, and we hope by

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this particular project we're doing with you as American Humane

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and we can move more people who been exposed to

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combat traumas to more productive lives. So we're just really

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excited about this initiative going into twenty eighteen and grateful

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for our time today to be able to share that

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with your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Well, listeners, you've been sharing this time today with the

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most impressive Chris Ford, the CEO of NAVSO, which is

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the National Association of Veteran Serving Organizations, an incredible opportunity

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to engage and this cause by visiting the change dot

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org petition later this week and also visiting Service Dogaccess

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dot org to learn more. Chris, thanks so much for

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being with us and being Unloving Animals.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Robin, It's been my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you well.

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Speaker 2: Friends, what an amazing week learning about this national training

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standard for service dogs, learning about operations service Dog access,

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so much that we can do in terms of the

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healing power of the human animal bond. Thanks so much

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for joining us for this week's episode of Loving Animals

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with Robin Ganzard. I'm your host and I want to

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Thank you again for what you do in your hometown

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to build a more humane world. Remember this week and

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every week, we're loving animals and I know you do too.

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