Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to my Family Think Some
Speaker 1: Crazy podcast. And with me today is a returning guest,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, someone who I think the audience
Speaker 1: should already be aware of. He's doing some amazing work
Speaker 1: and he's coming back to the show to talk about
Speaker 1: a brand new project, a new film that is out
Speaker 1: now is titled A Clockwork Shining. Rider Lee is back
Speaker 1: on the show. Rider. It's a pleasure to have you
Speaker 1: here again. I'm really stoked to see. You've been working
Speaker 1: with Jay Weidner, legend in the conspiracy theory field, so.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 1: A lot of cool stuff going on, and this is
Speaker 1: your latest project. So before we get into the exact
Speaker 1: details of the film, what precipitated A Clockwork Shining? Like,
Speaker 1: where were you when you thought, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: I need to work on next, Because I've kind of
Speaker 1: I think I've been interviewing you at each step of
Speaker 1: the way. I remember we talked about UFOs. At one point,
Speaker 1: we talked about mk Ultra. I can't remember the last
Speaker 1: thing we talked about. Excuse me, but now we're talking
Speaker 1: about Kubrick and some other maybe stranger things. And no
Speaker 1: pun intended that Kubrick was trying to show us through
Speaker 1: several of his movies and two in particular, that folks
Speaker 1: can probably guess which ones they are based on the
Speaker 1: tip I love your film, but or your documentary. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what precipitated the Clockwork Shining? Because I think this is
Speaker 1: a really interesting trajectory you've been on.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Mark, first off for having me
Speaker 3: on again. I really appreciate it. And you have been
Speaker 3: there every step of the way through my entire evolution
Speaker 3: of new things. You've had me on, So I really
Speaker 3: appreciate that, my friend. It's an honor and a privilege
Speaker 3: to be back on your show again. So and I
Speaker 3: think you had me on for jfk X.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what it was. Yes, that was the last
Speaker 1: time you're on, I believe, unless there's something in between
Speaker 1: then and now. JFKX is the one I was misremembering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was the first documentary that me and
Speaker 3: Jay Warden put together. And originally how the soul really
Speaker 3: came up about was this was the first movie that
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to do. I wanted to do this
Speaker 3: movie A Clockwork Shining first, but we decided to go
Speaker 3: with AFKX first, and because this one was going to
Speaker 3: require a lot more production value and quality in it,
Speaker 3: so we did jfk X first. And you can also
Speaker 3: find that on Amazon Prime. It's on free v on
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime. Actually, if you just type in the Clockwork
Speaker 3: Shining and click a Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime, it'll
Speaker 3: be the next video in under related videos. So I
Speaker 3: wanted to do this film originally, and I'd had Jay
Speaker 3: Widener on because he had done two documentaries before. Well
Speaker 3: he's done several films before a lot of other films.
Speaker 3: He's a you know, a he's a film production like
Speaker 3: that's what he'd done for his whole career. And I'd
Speaker 3: watched his two movies, A Cubric's Odyssey one and A
Speaker 3: kubricks Odyssey two to bring him on my show to
Speaker 3: you know, have a good in depth conversation with him,
Speaker 3: because I like, you know, watching people's movies or reading
Speaker 3: their books or whatever it is before I bring them
Speaker 3: on so that I can ask really good questions. And
Speaker 3: I had him. I had him on. So I watched
Speaker 3: The Shining several times over and over again, and as
Speaker 3: I'm watching it, because Kubrick is such a genius, with
Speaker 3: this filmmaking. Everyone knows that everyone knows who Stanley kuber Case,
Speaker 3: everyone knows what The Shining is is one of the
Speaker 3: greatest horror films that's of all time, you know. And
Speaker 3: as I was watching it, I was like, what more
Speaker 3: can I really find in this movie that hasn't been
Speaker 3: seen before? Because this movie has been deconstructed in like
Speaker 3: such a way that it's there's so many different theories
Speaker 3: about The Shining and about Stanley Kubrick just in general,
Speaker 3: sort of exactly like the jfk assassination, which was the
Speaker 3: one that we tackled previously. So this was a really
Speaker 3: big task. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching it,
Speaker 3: and then I watched some videos on some other people's
Speaker 3: analysis of it, and I, you know, watched our Room
Speaker 3: two thirty seven as well. Was j wier is also
Speaker 3: in Room two thirty seven, which we also reference in
Speaker 3: this new film, a clockwork chiny and I'd seen in
Speaker 3: the background because whenever Dan you sees the Twins for
Speaker 3: the very first time, there's a poster on the wall
Speaker 3: on the back left hand side. This has monarch at
Speaker 3: the bottom of the poster. And I wasn't the first
Speaker 3: person to see that, I admit not the first person
Speaker 3: to see it, but nobody got what that poster actually
Speaker 3: meant correctly. And when I brought Jay on my show,
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, like, I know people have seen
Speaker 3: this several times before. There's a poster in the background
Speaker 3: that has Monarch at the very bottom of it looks
Speaker 3: like like a person on skis, and some people call
Speaker 3: it a minotaur and they kind of relate the It's
Speaker 3: one of two things with people that see that poster
Speaker 3: and try and interpret its meaning. One of those is
Speaker 3: that it's a minotaur. Another one is that it's a
Speaker 3: cubric like the Cubrick Stare, you know, like in a
Speaker 3: lot of his movies, like Full Metal Jacket, a Clockwork
Speaker 3: Orange and the Shining, that Cubic stare that famous thing
Speaker 3: like like that, you know what I mean, like the
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson does during the Shining and Alex's character does
Speaker 3: during a Clockwork Orange. And also that it could be
Speaker 3: referring to Monarch Mountain in Colorado as well. But I'd
Speaker 3: never heard of anybody relate the poster to Monarch MK
Speaker 3: Ultra Mind Control. So I'm explaining this all to Jay
Speaker 3: around two years ago now, on our show, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: there's a poster back there says Monarch. It's you know,
Speaker 3: no one has ever come up with the ever talked
Speaker 3: about the theory that about monarch mind control. They bring
Speaker 3: other things into it, like I just mentioned, but they've
Speaker 3: never mentioned. And then I started dissecting the movie and
Speaker 3: all the things throughout the movie, and I was like, Jay,
Speaker 3: we need to make a documentary about this. I think
Speaker 3: that I'm the first person to really understand exactly what's
Speaker 3: going on within this movie. And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we should. We definitely should. And then we ended up
Speaker 3: with JFKX as our first film, which I'm very happy
Speaker 3: that we did it that way because I got to
Speaker 3: cut my teeth on a documentary. And then I did
Speaker 3: this one, which this one is almost two hours long.
Speaker 3: It's a a cl accident around an hour and fifty minutes.
Speaker 3: So that's basically the origin, right.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, the film that you're talking about
Speaker 1: is The Shining because the Clockwork Orange film, there's really
Speaker 1: it's not like subtle in any way that mind control
Speaker 1: is going on, like that's a key plot in the film,
Speaker 1: but connecting the symbolism from there to the Shining, I
Speaker 1: think is a big step. And yeah, I mean potentially
Speaker 1: you're the first person to see that, you're definitely the
Speaker 1: first person to make a film about it. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing with Kubrick that I wonder, is is it
Speaker 1: that he saw this and has left these clues behind
Speaker 1: for people. I mean, it seems to be that way,
Speaker 1: because you know, it couldn't be that he was just
Speaker 1: some like lucky fool who just happened to, you know,
Speaker 1: spell all this out by accident. But then I also wonder, like,
Speaker 1: could it be that he was using symbols that are
Speaker 1: so general that you can apply multiple layers of meaning
Speaker 1: to them. That almost feels like, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to debunk it at that point, which I'm not,
Speaker 1: because the Shining, I think Room two thirty seven, they
Speaker 1: go into the theory that they're somehow suggestions about the
Speaker 1: moon landing with the Shining, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's Jay Widener's original proposal with his first two
Speaker 3: films on the topic. He proposes that the Shining is
Speaker 3: Kubrick's confession to faking the moon landing, which he provides
Speaker 3: well invcating the evidence of that and what I've been
Speaker 3: telling people, which I think is very plausible because two
Speaker 3: thousand and one A Space Odyssey was being shot during
Speaker 3: the time of the moon landing, during the time that
Speaker 3: we went to the moon, right, and it's highly possible
Speaker 3: that Stanley Kubrick would have been like, Hey, let's shoot
Speaker 3: some scenes, you know, and the actors wouldn't know that
Speaker 3: this was going to the footage was going to be
Speaker 3: used for something else. And that really gets down to
Speaker 3: because a lot of people are like, well, how could
Speaker 3: they have faked the moon landing without a lot of
Speaker 3: people knowing about it. Well, that's how they would have
Speaker 3: done it. They would have done it a part of
Speaker 3: a movie shoot, and two thousand and one of Space
Speaker 3: Odyssey was using special effects that had never been seen before.
Speaker 3: It's one of the first times in film history that
Speaker 3: front screen projection was ever used. And it's possible that
Speaker 3: Kubrick was like, Hey, let's do we'll shoot some extra
Speaker 3: scenes for two thousand and one A Space Odyssey. All
Speaker 3: the actors, all the production, all the people will think
Speaker 3: that it's for two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,
Speaker 3: but we won't put it in the film, and then
Speaker 3: that'll be the moon landing footage, not saying that that's fact, right.
Speaker 3: I just think that it's really interesting and it's definitely plausible.
Speaker 3: But as far as the mind control stuff, Kubrick had
Speaker 3: to have been aware of the CIA's MK Ultra programs,
Speaker 3: just based upon the fact that he made a clockwork orange, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, the entire film is basically about mind control
Speaker 3: and drugging Alex the main character, and having him watch
Speaker 3: these movies to influence his behavior.
Speaker 1: Well, so in a way, if The Shining has both
Speaker 1: layers in it, I don't see how that's necessarily impossible. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Kubrick could have been talking about the moon
Speaker 1: landing and m Kaltre, which is why I find this
Speaker 1: premise really fascinating. I'm glad to get into it with you,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to say off the bat for
Speaker 1: people who might be like, oh, they've done this already,
Speaker 1: go watch Room two thirty seven. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: Jay Widner is a part of this film, so cut
Speaker 1: it out. And second of all, Kubrick, I mean again,
Speaker 1: I'm just applying my own mind to him. And we've
Speaker 1: talked about him a ton on this show, not just
Speaker 1: with with like this particular topic, but from other angles,
Speaker 1: like we had a guy on who hates Kubrick. We
Speaker 1: had a guy on who talked about Kubrick and his
Speaker 1: you know, espionage kind of maybe connections, right so, or
Speaker 1: at least like propaganda and that sort of thing. But
Speaker 1: I just I find it kind of interesting because we
Speaker 1: often think about mk ultra like Manchurian candidates. But in
Speaker 1: a way, the moon landing was like a mass mcaultra
Speaker 1: event because you have so many people who are being
Speaker 1: hypnotized into thinking this is a real event taking place
Speaker 1: when actually it's fabricated to some degree. Whether that means that,
Speaker 1: you know, the rockets only went so far, or either
Speaker 1: the rockets didn't even fly at all, or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know the details. That's not what we're here
Speaker 1: to argue about. But I think most people can agree
Speaker 1: at this point the moon landing has some issues with
Speaker 1: its legitimacy. It's a little bit less than plausible at
Speaker 1: this point. And I think Kubrick, being that he was
Speaker 1: so close to the military and these groups who provided
Speaker 1: some sort of camera equipment to him at some point,
Speaker 1: like that's the big thing that the debunkers go for,
Speaker 1: as they say, oh, well he only got these lenses
Speaker 1: from the NASA people afterwards, but we don't need to
Speaker 1: get into that. I think what's most important about Kubrick
Speaker 1: is like what propelled him to expose this stuff, because
Speaker 1: he seemed kind of like a film genius, Like he
Speaker 1: suffered and he bled for the films that he loved, right,
Speaker 1: like he really in everybody around him had to work
Speaker 1: at that same pace of suffering too, because like he
Speaker 1: was a hard director to work for, is what most
Speaker 1: people have said. But yeah, I guess wrapping your head
Speaker 1: around like such a genius, like what do you make
Speaker 1: of Stanley Kubrick? Do you think that it really is
Speaker 1: like this sort of sneaky way of subtly putting these
Speaker 1: truths out into the culture.
Speaker 3: I think so too, And I think it's a testament
Speaker 3: to the fact that this is just now coming out
Speaker 3: and nobody has talked about this before, and what brings
Speaker 3: a whole other layer to it. And I think Qubriic
Speaker 3: was trying to subliminally put things in his film like
Speaker 3: little hints and little clues here and there as to
Speaker 3: what's going on. And you're right, the fact that this
Speaker 3: is something new in this documentary doesn't also discount the
Speaker 3: moon landing theory. If anything, I think it goes hand
Speaker 3: in hand because what we propose within the movie is
Speaker 3: that it's not only an experiment within Stanley Kubrick making
Speaker 3: this movie, because Stanley Kubrick is rewriting the entire movie
Speaker 3: as the movie is being filmed, no one does that.
Speaker 3: It's an experiment within the movie. It's also an experiment
Speaker 3: on the actors that are in the movie and the
Speaker 3: way that he treated Charlie Duvall and bas liberated her,
Speaker 3: yelled at her and told the casts and the crew
Speaker 3: not to empathize with her, not to you know, check
Speaker 3: up on her, not to you know, tend to her
Speaker 3: what she wants or what she needs. But it's also
Speaker 3: an experiment within it on the audience as well, So
Speaker 3: it's like a triple threat and that goes hand in
Speaker 3: hand with the moon landing footage as well. Actually, I
Speaker 3: have a trailer here which will really describes exactly what
Speaker 3: the film is about. If you would like to see it.
Speaker 3: Is that Okay, yeah, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 4: Loucinogenic drugs, hypnosis, electric shocks to the brain some of
Speaker 4: the methods used in secret CIA mind control experiments.
Speaker 3: There are many theories as to what the shining is
Speaker 3: really about, from the faking of the moon landing to
Speaker 3: Native American genocide and the Holocaust.
Speaker 2: Now, if he did fake the Apollogon landing, he probably
Speaker 2: has really deep connections into the intelligence world. Why are
Speaker 2: there these gigantic continuity ats in this movie?
Speaker 5: The occulted meeting has to be comprehensible. It's just hidden,
Speaker 5: usually in a very systematic way, so that it could
Speaker 5: be understood by someone coming along later on. Who knows
Speaker 5: what the real meaning is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: We believe that there's something even more sinister lurking beneath
Speaker 3: the surface of this masterful film.
Speaker 2: So Lookout Mountain Hotel look a lot like the Overlook Hotel.
Speaker 6: You realize there's no such thing as a coincidences like that.
Speaker 3: As Lookout Mountain studios ran by the Air Force and
Speaker 3: told the story of nuclear weapons testing by the United
Speaker 3: States of.
Speaker 4: The Army Navan Air Force. The Air Force was known
Speaker 4: to be the most excited, the most turned on by
Speaker 4: mk ultran its prospects.
Speaker 6: Reportedly that we more films might Lookout Mounting at all
Speaker 6: the other film studios in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: We really don't know what these famous film directors were
Speaker 2: being recruited for what project or whatever was it? The
Speaker 2: Moon Landing.
Speaker 3: The CIA's MK Ultra programs were admitted to the public
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy, five, years before the release of The Shining.
Speaker 7: These experiments were done without the informed consent of the patients.
Speaker 4: Look at some UFO cases and the things that are
Speaker 4: reporting tells me that.
Speaker 1: MK Ultra is likely being applied.
Speaker 7: My MK ultra mind control experience, I was taken to
Speaker 7: various military, NASA, and DARPA installations for sophisticated mind control programming.
Speaker 6: Woke Disney, Marilyn Monroe, James Stewart, Carrie Groan, Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 6: Nobody really knows what they were doing up.
Speaker 4: There, as well as high ranking military and Department of
Speaker 4: Defense personnel.
Speaker 2: But people don't realize is that many of the people
Speaker 2: that worked with Kubrick also worked with Kennedy. This is
Speaker 2: actually the smoking gun proving that Kubrick was working with
Speaker 2: the government.
Speaker 6: These were all CIA sponsored experiments.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: bash your brains.
Speaker 6: I'm putting little symbolic cryptic clues and Easter eggs pertaining
Speaker 6: to the fact that they're still doing it.
Speaker 3: These clues include a hidden swastika in the background of
Speaker 3: his old room.
Speaker 7: What was the set up? What it was being told?
Speaker 7: And realized that it was a lie all along?
Speaker 6: But right there in the narrative in the dialogue, they're
Speaker 6: telling you that this was a very real program coming
Speaker 6: out of those nice folks in the CIO.
Speaker 3: Here's Johnny.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 3: So that was the trailer for Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime,
Speaker 3: and that gives you a really good rundown of exactly
Speaker 3: what the movie is about. And that's the reason that
Speaker 3: I put it together that way, and it touches on
Speaker 3: a lot of different topics. This just isn't a movie
Speaker 3: about Stanley Kubrick in the Shining or A Clockwork Orange.
Speaker 3: This is a movie about the music industry, the film industry, MK, ultra,
Speaker 3: military and government programs.
Speaker 1: Right now, what about Qubrick's background would lead us or
Speaker 1: would like show where he learned a lot of this stuff?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Because A Clockwork Orange when that was released, it was
Speaker 1: based on a book. And I believe the author of
Speaker 1: that book's name is Anthony Burgess or something like that.
Speaker 1: And this gentleman was writing the book because he had
Speaker 1: some sort of political gain. I think he was an
Speaker 1: English author and they were trying to expose the American
Speaker 1: programs because there was maybe some sort of adversarial relationship
Speaker 1: between MI sixter and the CIA for whatever reason. That
Speaker 1: sounds about right. That's the best of my knowledge. So
Speaker 1: Kubrick must have been reading this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: were there any like I don't know, places that he
Speaker 1: was enrolled in school, et cetera, military, etc. That where
Speaker 1: he would have gotten any insider information about any of
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, I really don't know if you actually need to
Speaker 3: have insider information to know about it. Like I know
Speaker 3: a lot about the MK Ultra programs and no insider
Speaker 3: has ever told me anything about it. But as far
Speaker 3: as a military background that we do provide some information
Speaker 3: in there that Kubrick was being sought after for an
Speaker 3: unknown project, him and four other film directors, and he
Speaker 3: was looked at as the most promising of these other
Speaker 3: fore film directors. So there is evidence that Qubrick had
Speaker 3: involvement with the military, in with the government. And we
Speaker 3: also know during the filming of two thousand and one
Speaker 3: A Space Odyssey, there were in the in the credit
Speaker 3: it's the original credits for that movie. Quebreak credits all
Speaker 3: of the big military agency. He credits the Air Force,
Speaker 3: air Force Intelligence, basically all of the major intelligence communities
Speaker 3: for contributing to the making of that film, and later
Speaker 3: on they were removed. So it stands to good reason
Speaker 3: that he did indeed have some connections to the military
Speaker 3: and with Doctor Strangelove as well. We have a clip
Speaker 3: of Cubrick's production designer talking about Doctor Strangelove and how
Speaker 3: Cubreic and his production designer basically recreated the inside of
Speaker 3: a B fifty two and the military was really frightened
Speaker 3: by that because they thought that someone had leaked Cubic
Speaker 3: the information on the B fifty two and what the
Speaker 3: inside of the cockpit actually looks like. And they actually
Speaker 3: visited Cubriic on the set of that movie, and we
Speaker 3: have Cubric's production designer talking about that and how Kubrick
Speaker 3: told him, you need to get together where you got
Speaker 3: all this information to build the inside of this B
Speaker 3: fifty two, or we're going to be investigated by the FBI.
Speaker 1: And did the production designer have a legitimate reason for
Speaker 1: knowing that? Was it just kis Mitt and he had
Speaker 1: happened to just have like some sort of remote viewing
Speaker 1: ability to just guess it.
Speaker 3: He could have, I think everybody's psychic. But the explanation
Speaker 3: was is that he it took the cutouts from a
Speaker 3: bunch of different magazines and they then he would look
Speaker 3: at models of it, like tiny miniature models, and then
Speaker 3: he put kind of piece together what he thought that
Speaker 3: the inside of the B fifty two would look like,
Speaker 3: and he got it spot on basically. So much of
Speaker 3: that a scale the military to the point they were like, well,
Speaker 3: we might need to investigate Stanley Kubrick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we might need to set our propaganda cameras up
Speaker 1: a little farther away from the planes. Because that's the
Speaker 1: other thing about the film industry is like it's completely
Speaker 1: military from the beginning, because the whole idea was they
Speaker 1: wanted to show the public who the boss was and
Speaker 1: get everybody enrolled in the draft and make everyone excited
Speaker 1: about fighting whatever war was on the horizon. Right, it's
Speaker 1: a total propaganda piece from the get go. We now
Speaker 1: we think of it for like what do you call it?
Speaker 1: The vaudeville type stars and whatnot that made their way
Speaker 1: into Hollywood, but a lot of those people were gangsters
Speaker 1: and criminals and underground types to begin with, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like unsurprising that you'd have these themes within the
Speaker 1: film industry and then also this close connection to UH
Speaker 1: to directors like Kubrick, but he just seems kind of
Speaker 1: even with his prowess as a director, he seems kind
Speaker 1: of like a like an outsider. And I mean it's
Speaker 1: hard to hard to even call him an outsider when
Speaker 1: Hollywood regards him as like the best director of all time,
Speaker 1: Like his films have more awards than I think any
Speaker 1: other director or something like that, Like he's been given
Speaker 1: a ton of awards praise.
Speaker 3: But not until after his death. I think he only
Speaker 3: won one Academy Award and it was not for directing.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, he's that issue.
Speaker 3: I really like about Cubrick is not even it's not
Speaker 3: even so much the way that his films are shot,
Speaker 3: which his films are shot are really beautifully, but Kubrick
Speaker 3: does things in a way to not give away the
Speaker 3: entire movie before the movie ends. And that's a really
Speaker 3: big problem with movies nowadays, is they give every a
Speaker 3: way within the exposition of the movie, within the dialogue
Speaker 3: of the characters, they tell you about the entire movie,
Speaker 3: so there's literally no mystery to the movie, which is
Speaker 3: a really interesting thing that happens within the Shining because
Speaker 3: the first ten minutes of The Shining between Almend, which
Speaker 3: Almend looks a lot like JFK and a lot of
Speaker 3: people have pointed that out before, between Almond and Jack
Speaker 3: and Bill, there's Almend pretty much tells Jack exactly what's
Speaker 3: going to happen in the rest of the movie. He's like, Jack,
Speaker 3: this isn't this isn't a physical This isn't a physically
Speaker 3: demanding job, Jack, this is a This is more of
Speaker 3: a psychological job. Because you're isolated up here with nobody
Speaker 3: around you. It snows really heavily during the winter. You
Speaker 3: can if you try and get out, you gotta take
Speaker 3: the sidewinder down the mountain. You know. He's telling him
Speaker 3: that it's a psychological job, it's not a physical job
Speaker 3: that he's getting in for. And then he proceeds to
Speaker 3: tell him about Grady, which suffered a mental breakdown and
Speaker 3: killed his two little girls and his wife. So he
Speaker 3: pretty much lays out the entire movie in that first
Speaker 3: ten minutes of the movie, but he doesn't come out
Speaker 3: and like, you know, just straight up say it, like
Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen. He's just like, you know, Jack,
Speaker 3: this isn't really a you know, a physically demanding job.
Speaker 3: This is a psychological job. It's a mental job. It's
Speaker 3: a mental game up here, and you have to be
Speaker 3: mentally strong to make it through, to make it through
Speaker 3: the winner up here. So that's a really interesting concept
Speaker 3: that I don't think a lot of people have really
Speaker 3: paid attention to because they think that that part of
Speaker 3: the movie is the most boring part of the movie,
Speaker 3: which the first time that I watched it, I have
Speaker 3: thought that it was too because it's just ten minutes
Speaker 3: of Ohman talking to Jack about you know, the overlook,
Speaker 3: and then it cuts back between Wendy and Danny a
Speaker 3: few times, but nothing really happens, and really nothing happens
Speaker 3: in the entire movie until up to the end of
Speaker 3: the movie things actually start really happening. And that's what
Speaker 3: makes me question, well, is this really a horror film?
Speaker 3: Because there's some dramatic imagery. But I think that if
Speaker 3: this film was released today, I don't think that it
Speaker 3: would be a be classified as a horror film. It
Speaker 3: would be more like a psychological thriller, is what that
Speaker 3: it would be categorized as. And another thing that's really
Speaker 3: interesting too that we bring up in the movie is
Speaker 3: you know how Jack is, you know, supposedly writing the book.
Speaker 3: It's the most famous scene in the movie whenever Wendy
Speaker 3: comes in and sees that Jack hasn't been writing a book.
Speaker 3: He's just been writing the same sentence over and over again.
Speaker 3: All work and no play. Makes Jack a dull boy. Well,
Speaker 3: another version of that was Sir Hans Sirhan, which assassinated RFK,
Speaker 3: won't supposedly assassinated RFK, right that same version of what
Speaker 3: was going on there, Sir Hans Sirhan was also doing.
Speaker 3: If you look at Sir Hans Sirhan's notebook, it says
Speaker 3: RFK must die, RFK must die, RFK must die, over
Speaker 3: and over and over again. There's like a whole entire
Speaker 3: page of nothing but Sir Hansuran saying RFK must die.
Speaker 3: And that's a typical MK ultra technique that's called psychic driving,
Speaker 3: where they program you with a word and program you
Speaker 3: with a phrase, and then it's just a coincidence. Whenever
Speaker 3: Wendy comes in and finds Jack is just writing the
Speaker 3: same thing. She's went through all the notebook papers and
Speaker 3: seeing that it's the same thing written out over and
Speaker 3: over and over again, and then Jack becomes triggered. Jack
Speaker 3: becomes triggered to do violence against his family, to try
Speaker 3: and kill Wendy and Danny. Then, also in the beginning
Speaker 3: of the film that very few people have ever pointed out.
Speaker 3: I had never heard this before until Jay had brought
Speaker 3: it up and we talked about it within the movie,
Speaker 3: is that the first time we meet Wendy and Danny
Speaker 3: in the movie, Wendy is reading a book by J. D.
Speaker 3: Salinger called Ketcher in the Rye. You just seen that
Speaker 3: in the trailer. And Ketcher in the Rye has been
Speaker 3: identified as a MK Ultramanchurian style candidate trigger. It's been
Speaker 3: involved in two major assassinations less than a year after
Speaker 3: the release of The Shining, which was John Lennon and
Speaker 3: the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. They were both found
Speaker 3: on the scene, and so putting those together were like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, Like, very few people has pointed out the
Speaker 3: fact that Catcher in the Rye is even in the movie,
Speaker 3: And how did Qubrick know that. How did Cubrick you know,
Speaker 3: basically predict that a year before these two major assassinations
Speaker 3: where both the assailants were on the scene reading Catcher
Speaker 3: and the Rye Mark David Chapman, which you saw shot
Speaker 3: John Lennon. He uh, It's been said that he stood
Speaker 3: up in court and was like, do you want to
Speaker 3: If you want to know my defense, all you got
Speaker 3: to do is read Catcher in the Rye. We also
Speaker 3: have the Sixth Sense by Will Smith. We have a
Speaker 3: clip from The Sixth Sense in a Clockwork Shining where
Speaker 3: Will Smith is basically breaking all this down of like
Speaker 3: Catcher in the Rye. And then we have Joe Ottwell
Speaker 3: talking about it. We have Walter Boseley talking about it,
Speaker 3: and we also have Mark Devlin talking about the meaning
Speaker 3: behind Catcher in the Rye. And it's just a coincidence
Speaker 3: that Wendy is reading this book which Jack is a
Speaker 3: writer within the movie, so it's probably his book. And
Speaker 3: then it's used for MK Ultra mind control assassins. And
Speaker 3: then what is Jack doing throughout the movie?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is trying to kill his family.
Speaker 1: This is uh strange memory. I have two of reading
Speaker 1: that book. I remember being a bad like I was
Speaker 1: always a good.
Speaker 3: Nice and Venus is known as the morning Star, which
Speaker 3: is also Lucifer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, wow, I forget where that came up recently
Speaker 1: we're talking about Lucifer and Venus and all that. But wow,
Speaker 1: So it's on Amazon Prime. Is there anything else that?
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been almost going for two hours here.
Speaker 1: That's as long as the film is, so folks, I
Speaker 1: encourage you to go and watch it right now, But
Speaker 1: there is there anything else you'd want people to know
Speaker 1: before they tune in, or anything else you'd think they
Speaker 1: should know to compel them to watch the film.
Speaker 3: Well, if they don't want to watch it by listening
Speaker 3: to this whole thing, then that's crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure they all want to, but yeah, no anything.
Speaker 3: Please please support, Please support my movie. This is an
Speaker 3: independent movie. Hollywood is dead. We really have to try
Speaker 3: and switch this around and support independent filmmakers so they
Speaker 3: can continue to make really great films in the future.
Speaker 3: And with each one is just getting better and better.
Speaker 3: On my end, I'm learning new things and I want
Speaker 3: to keep this going in the future. So please please
Speaker 3: support this movie and hopefully we can get a link
Speaker 3: in the description of this video. I'll be posting it
Speaker 3: on my end as well, and a link in the
Speaker 3: description of the podcast whether you're listening to a podcast
Speaker 3: version or video version on wherever you're listening to. Please
Speaker 3: support the film and please buy it. I know that
Speaker 3: it's you know, really it seems easy just to rent
Speaker 3: it for like two ninety nine. It's only two ninety
Speaker 3: nine to rent it, but to buy it is just
Speaker 3: a few dollars. More So, please help and support by
Speaker 3: just buying it, because those few dollars really do help
Speaker 3: out and only a filmmakers and I. And again, it's
Speaker 3: not just even if you don't like Stanley Kubrick, even
Speaker 3: if you don't like The Shine, even if you've never
Speaker 3: even seen The Shining, it doesn't really matter. You're going
Speaker 3: to find something within this movie that you are going
Speaker 3: to like it. And it's not just about those topics.
Speaker 3: It's about everything that we talked about here and more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's so much more.
Speaker 3: There's so many different things that we dive into in
Speaker 3: this movie. That is from the response that I've gone
Speaker 3: and the people that has left for reviews so far
Speaker 3: on Amazon, they're mind blown. So please, if you get
Speaker 3: the chance, I highly recommend.
Speaker 1: Well and it's dangerous information, So definitely buy it because
Speaker 1: if you rent it, who knows if it'll be there
Speaker 1: when you come back to watch it again, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of months or years down the line, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we gotta we gotta get
Speaker 1: away from this streaming model. I'm somebody who likes to
Speaker 1: have things downloaded because I've seen plenty of things that
Speaker 1: I used to go to on the internet disappear forever.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so all the more reason to buy it.
Speaker 1: Support independent artists like yourself, independent creators. You also have
Speaker 1: a podcast Raised by Giants where people can they could
Speaker 1: find that anywhere they listen to this show. But on
Speaker 1: that note of supporting filmmakers, you mentioned maybe Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: might be on the docket for a future inquiry and
Speaker 1: future documentary? Is it documentaries only that you're interested in creating?
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine after taking a lot of time
Speaker 1: to study someone like Kubrick, you might get a little
Speaker 1: inspired to make a film of your own. Have you
Speaker 1: ever thought of doing anything in that realm, like a
Speaker 1: departure from documentaries and creating something like a movie or
Speaker 1: who knows what I mean? What are your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I would love to do that. Actually have a lot
Speaker 3: of really good ideas to do that. If anybody is
Speaker 3: listening to this and they watched the movie and they
Speaker 3: have the means and the once to go on that
Speaker 3: venture with me, then you know, please please contact me,
Speaker 3: because I really do want to do that. I've I've
Speaker 3: always enjoyed movies. I watched movies and TV shows like
Speaker 3: all the time in my spare time, and I grew
Speaker 3: up watching them, so I know what looks good and
Speaker 3: what doesn't look good, and how exactly I would want
Speaker 3: to film this film in the storyline and the dialogue
Speaker 3: of all of it. So I just need the budget
Speaker 3: to be able to do it. So I would love
Speaker 3: to do that. But for now, I think Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: would be a great documentary. I don't think it probably
Speaker 3: won't do that, but it would definitely be a really
Speaker 3: interesting documentary because there's so many theories about what happened
Speaker 3: to him and the star power that he had, and
Speaker 3: if he was actually be killed, if you faked us death,
Speaker 3: I don't know, could really strange videos about it. But
Speaker 3: I definitely want to continue on this route of making films,
Speaker 3: and regardless if it's more documentaries or a actual motion
Speaker 3: picture film with actors and people in it. That that
Speaker 3: is the goal to get to and I'm trying to
Speaker 3: work my way up to that. So please watch my
Speaker 3: film and purchase my film so I can eventually get
Speaker 3: to that point to where I can make a movie
Speaker 3: or a TV show.
Speaker 1: I love that, all right, and I'm glad I asked
Speaker 1: well with that, Folks, support Rider in this endeavor. Check
Speaker 1: out Clockwork Shining, and of course Raised by Giants your
Speaker 1: podcast where I'm sure you're going into other topics related
Speaker 1: and documenting the research along the way. It's a very
Speaker 1: cool thing to witness and happy to be a part
Speaker 1: of it. Brother, until next episode, Immerse yourself in the moment,
Speaker 1: wherever you are in the now.