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Speaker 1: Then ken, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, it's not a Dune

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centered episode. We got another Daredevil episode review or not

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episode review, Season two retrospective. I'm one of your hosts.

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I have no name. I am the blind one, Kerkicle Patzer.

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Speaker 2: I am the Frank taylor Field, taylor.

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Speaker 1: Field Ill I get straight to it. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

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we have a much anticipated second I see. I want

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to say second episode because it's our second episode on

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this Daredevil retrospective series. So episode two of the season

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two Daredevil Retrospective. There you go that that that works

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out there, But yeah, I mean, before we get into it,

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just a couple of plugs. I'll keep it short and

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sweet because it's a nice special episode. Our patreons are

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you're listening to this, this is like months after the fact.

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So definitely go check out the Patreon if you haven't already,

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where you get everything early, ad free and exclusive. Lots

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of yeah, exclusive content on there. We just recently did

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our first after nine of the New Year. That was

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lots of fun. We had some familiar faces pop in

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talking about what we've been watching, kind of where we've

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been on trips recently, and yeah, just a lot of

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fun chatting with everyone there. Beyond that, I mean reviews

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every week movie, I mean, you know, the ship bang guy.

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short just because this is a special episode. But I

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guess the last thing I'll shout out is our Patreon producers,

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because we love them the most out of everyone. We

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have Aaron Braden, April Darkness, Jack Grant, Mud Sam Super Bad,

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Randell he was on our previous after nine. I've meant

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to ask him how to say his last name, because

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I've said it Randell and then I've also said it Randall.

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How do you say it? Do you say Randell?

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Speaker 2: I say Randell because I like the ring of that

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as I you know, finished and close off, and.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's spelt as well, right, unless someone misspelled

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it on our page here, I'll have the confirm that's

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always Charlie later on. Let us know Charlie if you're

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listening to this episode, but uh, yeah, no, anyways, let's

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just get into it. Here we are back in Hell's kitchen. Uh.

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Season one super positive from the from both of us.

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Here we are. Season two introduced a bunch of new

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characters and some new threats, and yeah, what did you

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think here, mister Field? Uh? You know, for sixty six

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percent of the way through Daredevil. Now we're we're making it.

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We're getting close to Nary Devil, born and born again.

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Are you losing all your interest because of the season?

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Are you just done? Do you not even want to

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do the next season episode?

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna call it because it is just.

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Speaker 1: This's never happened in the history of retros. It's like,

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you know, guys, yeah, I'm gonna so.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this season. It got bigger, better, It

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expanded so much more.

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Speaker 1: And I know that.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a little bit of talk about why this

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might not be everyone's, well, everyone's necessarily favorite. I think

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there's I think that there might be a little bit

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of debate between like season two and season three, over

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which one has favored over the other. Okay, but I'm

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no expert I just hear things. I think that this

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this show, this season in particular, focuses on one character,

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maybe a little bit more than it focuses on Daredevil.

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I think, Okay, these these storylines really intertwined quite well,

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and it gives a lot more development for Matt Murdoch's character.

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and it was a huge amp up from the first one.

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I really really liked it, and it was cool to

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see a little bit more of just Murdock's backstory and

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where we got to where he is now. And yeah,

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it just it had a lot of a lot of

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really cool like payoffs, and I'm just really really happy

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with where we're going with this story, and I'm really

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happy knowing that, Okay, this is this is our Daredevil

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and really got to really saying really a lot, really

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connect with them in this a little bit more than

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the previous season. So I also thought it was interesting

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because that's a spoiler, I shouldn't say that. There's just

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there's a very cool few character moments with each other

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when they have certain dialogue engagements, and I really do

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enjoy it and again I really like Foggy and I've

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that with season three might spoil or whatnot. Because you

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't don't. I'll take what you said. That's perfect.

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Speaker 1: It's very minor, like it's nothing game changing, but it

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the show. So yeah, I'll leave it there. It's not

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like it ruined the whole show for me. I still

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feel like I want to watch season three. But it

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was a solid trailer too, Like I'll give it that much.

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I mean, go check out the episode breakdown Dylan and

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you know, if you're not on the Patreon shows like

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don't coming out now? Oh part of me is that it?

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Speaker 2: That's it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I for me this season, I feel like

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it's it's very different than season one just because of

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the scale of everything, because we have a lot of

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kind of meat and potatoes. That's a weird reference, but yeah,

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their own issues, their own yeah, just driving forces to

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progress their characters and stories. So I feel like at times, no,

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managed really well. I think the pacing of the season

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just very different. I think I like the simplicity of

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what season one is, where you just have, like, you know,

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there's multiple bad guys, but the main threat is very

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much felt as Wilson Fisk and I like kind of

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following him as well as just Matt Matt being the lawyer,

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and then like the real ground level of what like

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the Daredevil Vigilante fighter is in that season. So I

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think for simplicity's sake, I might pick season one over

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season two. But it's tough because we get some really

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juicy characters that I really really like, I really really

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season one into season two. I think there's some some

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like wedged in there beef between characters. I'll say, trying

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and say that as cryptic as possible, but not the

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biggest fan of it. I'll detail what that is. It

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just seems like it's something that entrying the show, I'm like, well,

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like this at some point in the show, and we

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got it, and I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just not

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really a big fan of it. I understood, like it

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makes sense story wise why they would have happened, but

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what that is when we get there. But overall, yeah,

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really solid season, I think. I will say, I think

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the cliffhanger of like ending the season going into season

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three is so much stronger for me than season one

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going into season two, Like I was excited after watching

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season one to get into season two, but story reasons,

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now I'm like, oh my god, like I got to

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jump in there now season three, So glad we're doing

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this episode. I'm glad we're gonna be jumping into it.

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we're like almost done the show. We're all like, we're

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a show. I mean, thirteen hour seasons, so they I

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guess they are pretty long, with thirteen episodes being an

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hour long each, but maybe it's just because I'm binging

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them it makes it feel a lot shorter. But really

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digging it, yeah, no, really really really digging it.

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Speaker 2: So cool.

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's get into spoilers here. So three to two,

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one to the field, you can kind of well, actually,

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I guess we're gonna go episode by episodes, so don't

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just spew whatever you want. But let's start at the beginning.

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So episode one, bang, This is a quick name of

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that one. I'll say this synopsis as we go through them,

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so we kind of know what we're talking about because

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you watch the show a little bit further away ago

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than I did. So in the void left by fix

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oh my gosh, Fisks removal, a new threat to Hell's

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kitchen emerges. Murdock and Foggy take on a client with

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a questionable pass. Yeah, anything on episode.

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Speaker 2: This, this episode, I mean, what a what a way

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to start, because it completely caught me off guard. I

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think it was great because, yeah, you got this big

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as you said, there's a void. You got crime syndicates

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trying to get together take what they can. And I thought, Okay,

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this is kind of setting out the bad guys here.

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this dinner and everyone's talking and you just feel like

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the big honchos are meeting up and having a moment,

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and all of a sudden, it's just just they're gunned down,

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like holy shit, like they don't stand a chance. It's like,

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they got blown away. And so the one guy that survived,

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but it kind of see they sway him to you know,

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do the right thing eventually here even though it's not

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really there. He gets fucked over, but he's trying to

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do the right thing or at least make a change,

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and they're painting the picture. Now we get part way

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through this episode, like okay, like Frank Castle Castle, because

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just got really excited when that happened. And just yeah,

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again the dynamic and of this because at this point

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that was Frank Castle that killed all those gangsters or

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was it him being framed because I know he was

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being framed in other situations.

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Speaker 1: I took it as him like hand, this is kind

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of in the prime of his blood less like he's

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he's going out to murder all these guys, like that's

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his goal. So yeah, that's how I took it as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, but I think all it was great.

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Speaker 1: It's just as cool to see.

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Speaker 2: Him because we didn't get a lot of Matt Murdock

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in his suit in that first season, right.

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that here, which was which is pretty cool. And then

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Foggy just kind of like taking upon his own to

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go to like this biker club. Was just I thought,

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holy shit, they're going to execute him here. But he

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held his ground.

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Speaker 1: Bold movie for sure, very bold.

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Speaker 2: I don't like, at the end of the day, if

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that information really helped, I don't think it did anything.

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he was going to get asked, but you know, he

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said the right things and he managed to come out

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there unscathed, which is something else.

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you know, like like I feel like ninety percent chance

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he's the least losing a limb or a broken bone

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or something going in there. Definitely. Yeah, No, I really

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of the season. I think that, like you, I was

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kind of surprised to see Punisher here. I knew he

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was in the show, like I knew Electro was in

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the show, Like I knew these characters appeared. But I

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think once I'm like actually sitting down and like watching

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the episode, all of those thoughts just completely vacate my memory,

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like maybe I thought it was in like season three,

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so to have Yeah, just the brutal assassination. I didn't

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even think it was gonna be the Punisher at first,

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and then once, you know, as the episode goes on,

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I'm like, oh man, this is so juicy. I can't

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believe we're getting Frank Castle this early on. You never

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watched the show, did you? The Punisher?

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Speaker 2: No?

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I got like six or so episodes in. I thought

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there was at least two seasons.

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Speaker 2: There is a season two.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there you go. So I got majority of

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the way through season one. Really really liked it. I mean,

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watching this season makes me want to, you know, go

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watch some of those other Netflix Marvel shows, because this

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is really juice. Not all of them, probably just Punisher honestly,

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but yeah, no, I really like the setup of that,

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just really showing like the tactile like professionalism, to like

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the way that he's just not necessarily like cleanly killing

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these people, but like knows how to handle all the

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weaponry that he's handling, and yeah, trained killer and just

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taking out like an entire like syndicate essentially, like in

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One Go, like's he's pretty fucking pretty efficient with his methods.

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So it was cool to see it there. And then

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I really like just seeing I think the fear in

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the other character, like when he approaches our lawyers and

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just he is a bad guy and he's like admitting that,

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but he's so scared that like he doesn't even care,

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like just just protect me some way. So I liked

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the setup of what the threat was, you know, even

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though it's not the main threat of the season. It

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was just a really good start to the show. And

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I liked it because it was it wasn't too much

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in one episode, Like we still get a lot of

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like our friends kind of just being friendly. They're playing

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pool together and just kind of socializing, and yeah, just

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just a little bit of a lighter episode, and then

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introduced this new threat, like it seemed like a good

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way to set us off on season two. M I agree. Cool.

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I somehow closed my IMDb that had all my my

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list on there.

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Speaker 2: So you want episode two?

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Speaker 1: Oh you got it? Okay, yeah, you say it.

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Speaker 2: Nelson finds Murdoch the next morning, though his body armor

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saved his life. Murdoc's head and heightened senses are damaged

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and impaired. This stressed me the heck out when that happened.

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Speaker 1: Because when you get like this is when he gets

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beat on, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when punishure like managed to like shoot the side

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of his head and his helmet does protect him. But yes,

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hences are kind of impaired. So when he's in his

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place and he can't hear and he's just like tweaking out,

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I started to freak out in my living room, like,

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oh my God, like looking around the room. This is

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not good that I can only imagine that guy that

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has First of all, he's been he's been blind for

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so long and he's just really been relying on his

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senses for the longest time, and to just lose that

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within seconds must be terrifying to truly be, I mean

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be blind and deaf. That's that's a heck of a

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I don't know, combo sounds like a positive term. I

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don't want to say that.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's the Helen Keller combo right there. The Witch,

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the Helen Keller. You're not familiar with Helen Keller historical figure.

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She was blind and deaf. No learned about Helen Keller.

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Speaker 2: I'm not educated on all men, and I swear.

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Speaker 1: In like grade two, like a book report on Helen Keller.

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But there you go. Maybe they wasn't taught everywhere. Sorry,

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sorry for assuming that you knew about Helen Keller. Yeah

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about it, Yeah, no, I thought it was. I mean

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we had some more, mostly just at the beginning, like

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Foggy and Matt like button heads again, or he's like,

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you shouldn't be doing this mad, like this is the

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wrong way. I kinda was hoping that we got past

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that from season one, Like, it's not my favorite type

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of dynamic amongst the like it's necessary, I understand why

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it's happening, but I think it's just not my favorite scenes,

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so when we have them on screen, I'm not a

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big fan. We get introduced to the DA Lady. She's

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kind of the threat for most of the season, I feel, well,

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not the main threat, but a threat against our lawyers

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at least, and just clearly has her own personal motives.

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Interesting shift by the end of the season, but at

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least right now she's very much pushing down our lawyers because.

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Speaker 2: She's making a bigger political run.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, she's trying to be the main that, Yeah, exactly.

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So it's I mean it's something that I'm sure happens

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a lot in today's day and age. So it's it's

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an interesting type of character, i'll say, just in that position,

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especially one that like she just sees Frank as a

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bad guy. So it's like, so, why are we trying

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to defend this guy? Like it's just put him down

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even though there's so much more to it. So yeah,

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I like the dynamic there. I think it was just also,

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like throughout the whole show, I really like the setup

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of our lawyers defending the guy that's like so guilty,

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like like he's clearly murdered all these people, like we

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know it, but like there's just something more to it.

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So I think I like that setup, and of course

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it allows us to have some really really great scenes

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between oh my gosh, is it Claire, Karen, Karen, Thank

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you Karen, and Frank, and just like that, the build

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up of that I'll call it relationship, but just yeah,

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just just I think they have good chemistry together and

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she's the one that can kind of get through, you know,

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the tough shell to the soft niggdy inside even though

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it's it's not big, but there's something in there, there's

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some human traits to them. And I think just throughout

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the whole show, I really like the like the pace

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at which Frank kind of puts down his guard a

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little bit, not in the sense of like he's vulnerable,

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well I guess kind of, but just talking about his

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family and like really opening it up because like the

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DA people, they're not going to be asking about these things, right,

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Like they just see him as this murderer, as this

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bad guy, but like there's so much more to it.

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So I really like the way that all that stuff

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went about, and yeah, this is I mean, I guess

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they don't really interview Frank in this episode, but I'm

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more so just talking about the whole dynamic between the Day,

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the DA and Nelson murder and Claire and all that

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with Frank obviously mm hmm. I mean get ahead of myself,

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I guess, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you really you only necessarily get interviews

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with Frank when it's just Karen, right, because he usually

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just like looks at Foggy like get the fuck out, fuck.

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Speaker 1: You, Foggy going after foggy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess it's just that that sympathetic kind

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of part that to Frank because we all know that

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story with his family, and I guess the general population

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and here does not know that story, and that's something

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that they try to unravel. But again that happens later

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because right now.

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Speaker 1: That it seems like the victims just they they change.

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Speaker 2: Where Okay, we have Nelson and Murdoch that are focusing

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on this Irish guy who's trying to get out of

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the game and they had the DA just bade him hard,

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use him as a goon, and that transitions then once

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he's out of the picture to them trying to say Frank.

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So it's funny how those those positions kind of transition over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So it is unfortunate how things kind of

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go for this Irish guy. But yeah, he is he

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is a bad guy, and Frank is relentless and trying

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to trying to get him. And I think it was

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this episode where you get that crazy rooftops. No, no,

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it was the end here, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Right at the end, that's when he fights mister Punisher

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and then yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because then he he has the Irish guy up there too,

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right after the baiting situation. Is that correct? Or was

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that the next episode?

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought this was the episode when he kills

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him and then uh.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, because he has him on the roof and

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then he does he kills him and Daredevils tied up.

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It's like, ah, like losing his mind, and then you

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have the next episode. Okay, because I'm getting confused.

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Speaker 1: Landing the two together, because because he because he fights

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Punisher on the rooftop at the end of this episode,

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and is.

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Speaker 2: That where the house build the building guy comes up.

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But it's like, and Frank, that's five Oh my god, rooftops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it ends on the rooftop and the

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next episode starts on the rooftop. Oh, not mistaken. There

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might be some mix ups there, but that's the gist

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of it. Anyways, let's just get to the next episode.

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Episode three, New York's Finest trapped face to face with

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the Punisher, Daredevil wrestles with the morality of vigilante justice. Meanwhile,

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Foggy and Karen work to save the firm. I mean, yeah,

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this is like the first time we really get like

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a full on face to face conversation between Daredevil and Punisher.

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I really like the I just really love the inclusion

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of Punisher overall in this show because they are kind

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of similar but very different, which is a really stupid

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thing to say, but it like they are both vigilantes.

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One goes for the kill, one doesn't, and they have

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different reasons why that is. And I just like when

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they interact with each other, like later on in the season.

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I believe it's when like before Frank gets arrested for

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the first time, Like they're just like having a conversation

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in the I think it's when he's like bleeding out,

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They're like having a conversation in the graveyard, and yeah,

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he's just telling him like about his like family and stuff.

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And I just really really liked those conversations and just

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really like from Matt's perspective, like understanding like the pain

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and suffering that this guy has gone through to make

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him what he is. So I just really like the Yeah,

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just the dynamic of those two and episode three is

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where we first get like a proper face to face,

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you know, It's like, why is the Punisher not just

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murdering Daredevil right here? Like he is just someone in

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his way, But clearly there's something more that Daredevil's bringing

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out for like the Punisher, and I just I really

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really like the juice with this episode was I think

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I could have gone without the old guy coming up

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on the roof, But I don't know. I guess it

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shows that the Punisher is not just pure evil, like

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he's not just chaotic evil in the sense of he's

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gonna like murder anyone, like like he at least goes

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through the motion of not murdering this guy. And this

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guy's very patriotic, very uh pro military, it seems, so

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it was a good guy to come across there. But yeah,

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I think overall, I really really I think this was

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like the first well I liked all the episodes up

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until this point, but this one was like, oh man,

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this is what I was waiting for, Like the the

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face to face between Daredevil and Punisher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree because between that scene and

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then him again, Daredevil's still tied up and Punisher is

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opening like pulling off or no, maybe Daredevil wasn't there

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because he was the scene where he's pulling off all

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these tarps and he's got all this ammunition and guns

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and weaponry. I think Dartevil was there for that, because

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I feel like there's two situations where Daredevil has been

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tied up and Punisher engages in two different conversations with him. Uh.

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But again, maybe I'm getting my scenes convoluted here because

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it's been a hot minute the episode. I liked the

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episode a lot, though, again, like you already highlighted the

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scene where that war vets coming up the stairs and

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it's like.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Are you damn kids? And he's like, oh, you know,

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I'm just st up here for a smoke break. Don't

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tell anyone simprifi super patriotic up there. But again, it

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shows like Frank has different motives and anyone that gets

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in his way he will execute them.

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Speaker 1: And you make a good point.

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Speaker 2: Daredevil keeps getting in his way, but he doesn't execute him.

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Why not? Like he he throws shade at Daredevil for

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00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:35,039
his morales and what Daredevil stands up for and how

472
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,000
he won't kill And it almost felt like a Dark

473
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:40,880
Knight Joker dynamic where Frank's like, you know, just kill YadA,

474
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,640
YadA YadA.

475
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,559
Speaker 1: But maybe I think that's more or less insinuated. When

476
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:45,119
we get to.

477
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,599
Speaker 2: Electra and Electure kind of lives and breathe that kind

478
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,119
of mentality like I'm just you know, kill and he's

479
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,440
like no. So we can kind of address that as

480
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,559
we get further on in this in this season. But

481
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,400
their dynamic is interesting and I like, I like how

482
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,599
things kind of around for Frank. But again, it's funny

483
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,119
how Frank doesn't actually connect the dots that Daredevil is

484
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,759
Matt Murdoch.

485
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: They talk so many times, and like like Daredevil doesn't

486
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,640
he doesn't change his voice, you know when he's in

487
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,119
the persona, So like there's so many times when like, uh,

488
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:18,400
I almost said Charlie Cox, but Matt Murdoch would be

489
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,519
like speaking to him as a lawyer, and then Daredevil

490
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,759
later on, I'm like, come on, Frank, like I know

491
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,799
you've taken a gun shot to the head. You know,

492
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,240
he's been beaten and bruised, but like it's pretty obvious here,

493
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,400
but oh yeah, yeah. They also don't interact a lot,

494
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,720
like just one on one there, So I guess that's

495
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,960
a reason, Like he's mostly interacted with Karen and then

496
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,759
like the three of them together, so maybe it's harder

497
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,279
to pin out the voice there. I believe the tart

498
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,240
scenes with all the gun actually was in this episode.

499
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,200
I kind of fan through it. And this is actually

500
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,559
the episode where I forget the the guy's name, but

501
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:54,960
their client gets killed in this sequence. So then Daredevil

502
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,319
obviously really torn up about that. He's trying to save

503
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,839
his clients. Uh. And then the episode ends with an

504
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,400
awesome fight scene where mattch just going through the Dogs

505
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,880
of Hell, just popping off with them. He's using like

506
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,000
a chain at some point. Some stairwells are in here.

507
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:16,240
But yeah, no, I thought it was a good action

508
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,480
way to end the episode here, but overall it was

509
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,200
it was really good. Mm hmm.

510
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,799
Speaker 2: There's another note I wanted to highlight and oh what

511
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000
was it? Geez the wheeze.

512
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,079
Speaker 1: This is also the episode where you have in the hospital,

513
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,680
like the gang members just like fucking have like a

514
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:40,359
knife fight or like right there Claire Claire talks them down.

515
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: You get Claire back, yeah, because she was kind of

516
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,839
missing for for a little bit there.

517
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she she interacts with Foggy. They kind of

518
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,440
reveal that they both know who matd is, you know,

519
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,680
talk about their mutual friend there. Right.

520
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

521
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,319
Speaker 1: I think I found like, like the hospital like sequence

522
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,839
a little cheesy when they're just like, well, fucking kill you,

523
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000
and it's like settled down, like this is a hospit

524
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,480
little I could have done without that, But yeah, it

525
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,119
just shows the tensity. That's not the intensity. There you go.

526
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: The things with Foggy. I that's something that bothers me too,

527
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,599
just how he gets a little bit more tense and

528
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,200
just pissed off at Matt. But I get it because

529
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,920
he's coming from a place where he cares about Matt,

530
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,200
and Matt lied to him, and they're supposed to be

531
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
doing this the right way, but Matt is doing it

532
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,839
in his own justice way and that really upsets Foggy

533
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,079
and his values. But it just it bothers me when

534
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,960
you get these like moments where Foggy is just like

535
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,119
a humbug to Matt, because I feel like, you don't

536
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,720
want your best friend to die. That's definitely horrible. But

537
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,519
I don't know, I just it's hard for me to

538
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,720
get on Foggy's side because I mean, well, of course

539
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,279
we see the whole picture. Matt doesn't tell Foggy the

540
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,279
entire truth, so there is that. So we're a little

541
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,400
bit biased on our position, at least I am, because

542
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,160
I'm more Devil over Foggy, but it is hard to

543
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,960
because Foggy, what's that.

544
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: If I had to choose, yes, I would pick chose.

545
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,279
Speaker 2: Foggy is also the one that has to keep the

546
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,160
secret from Karen, and I mean that's easier for Daredevil

547
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,480
from Matt, but Foggy doesn't like doing that. He wants

548
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:18,240
to you know, it's an open three person friendship, right,

549
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,079
Like they communicate with these things, So there's definitely a

550
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,440
lot on his on his shoulders. But yeah, the resentments building.

551
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's kind of what I was alluding to in

552
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,119
this boiler free section is just anytime you have like

553
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,480
two friends that are really good friends and then you're

554
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680
setting up it's like, well, I bet we're gonna get

555
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,240
to a situation where they just are button heads and

556
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:42,680
they're grumpy with each other. And I just I'm not

557
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
a big fan of that. I mean, it's necessary for

558
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:49,440
some storytelling, I guess, but I think it's just most

559
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,200
of the time when I do see it, it's like

560
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,759
my least favorite part of an art or like a

561
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:58,359
character progression sequence. So yeah, I wasn't a big fan

562
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
of this. It's almost reminded me of like Deathly Hollows

563
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,119
part one, you know, the Harry and Ron button heads,

564
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,319
and I'm just like, oh my god, this is just

565
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400
unnecessary because I guess what's gonna happen. They're gonna become

566
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,559
friends again and we're gonna like sweep under the rugs.

567
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640
So yeah, not the biggest fan of all that going on.

568
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:19,640
And that happens like kind of middle of the season,

569
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,799
I think, when they're like breaking like the lawyer firm. Yeah,

570
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:28,599
the lawyer firm up right, because Foggy just really pissed

571
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,559
at Matt for not actually even being there, which is

572
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,160
totally justified, I guess, But it's just kind of annoying

573
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,119
having them cranky at each other and eventually they just

574
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,359
get back together, you know, that's how it goes. But

575
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,440
that's right, I guess, I guess, somewhat necessary. Cool Episode three.

576
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,240
Anything else to say on that one? No, that's everything. Cool.

577
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:55,480
Episode four Penny and Don Karen and covers shocking facts

578
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,480
about the Punisher, who finds himself hunted by a powerful

579
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:03,839
force in Hell's kitchen. Daredevil ponders his next move. Another

580
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,400
banger for me, honestly, I think, actually, yes, this is

581
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,279
the episode where they have the sit down in the graveyard.

582
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:14,279
At the very end, Daredevil saves Punisher from a brutal

583
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,720
torture scene with a fucking drill. Oh, that one got

584
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:20,960
Me's so good. I was squirming when he's just going

585
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,839
into his foot. Of course, you know it's a brutal show.

586
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,319
So they showed us a zoomin shot of it, and

587
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,799
I was just squirming in that sequence. But no, I

588
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,519
thought this was a really spicy episode. Of course, you

589
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,000
just have the good guy Daredevil saving like the murderer Punisher,

590
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,000
It's always gonna be a spicy dynamic. You have the

591
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:43,680
uh I guess the leader of the crime family who

592
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,079
Punisher just popped off on. And this guy just a

593
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,599
piece of shit. He just wants his money. He doesn't

594
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,119
even care that his whole family died, right, He just

595
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,240
wants the money that he's gonna hurt the dogs. Yeah, exactly.

596
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,839
That That was where I'm like, get that fucking dog

597
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,319
out of here. So I'm glad they I'm glad they

598
00:30:57,319 --> 00:30:59,960
didn't even do like a fake torture of the dogs.

599
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,119
So but yeah, I know, this guy deserved to die

600
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,200
in my eyes, and Punisher fucking delivered it to him

601
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,720
with a nice shotgun blast of the face. It was

602
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,680
pretty brutal and quick, but I loved it. I loved

603
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,720
all the action in this this episode. Of course you

604
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,039
have Daredevil doing like the stealth takedowns and everything. Like

605
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:20,640
I'm playing at Ubisoft game it was. It was pretty

606
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200
awesome to have him just go in there. And I

607
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,799
liked it too from the perspective of the Punisher where

608
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,160
you're just trapped in this chair and then you're just

609
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,440
hearing like things going on in the base. It was

610
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
I thought it was a really cool sequence. Obviously there's

611
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:37,039
there's more in here that happened, but yeah, no, what

612
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,440
do you think? Oh?

613
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,839
Speaker 2: Okay, so we were just talking about that guy that

614
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,759
got the shotgun to the face.

615
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know his name, but he's like the

616
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,319
leader of the crime family. Do you want a name?

617
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,599
Is that what you're itching for? Oh?

618
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: I think the name because is different. Finn Cooley, I

619
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,200
think is his name.

620
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's right.

621
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,119
Speaker 2: Okay, then I was thinking of someone different here. You

622
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,960
made me think of the character Jigsaw. But I thought like, okay, no,

623
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,119
if he took a shotgun, shotgun blast of the face,

624
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,279
he's gonna die. But I Jigsaw's face gets sucked up.

625
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,359
So when he gets his face rebuilt after getting a shotgun, flastic,

626
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:25,359
you're dead, like you're.

627
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 1: I think he's gone. I think he's gone. I think

628
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:35,240
he's pasted in that moment. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

629
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,559
Speaker 2: So I don't think Jigsaw was in season two of

630
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,839
Daredevil because I saw like a quick article on it.

631
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,480
But I think that was in The Punisher season two. Okay,

632
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680
I think yeah or no, no, no, because wait, this is

633
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,039
saying the character was first introduced in season two of

634
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:57,400
Netflix is Daredevil, but then the he I think he

635
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,039
popped up and punished it. I'll have to ask Travis

636
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,200
about that, because I'm a little I'm sure.

637
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,799
Speaker 1: Anyways, I'm going way off track with that.

638
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,759
Speaker 2: This episode, like you said, uh yeah, Frank got some

639
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:15,799
vindication here against the Irish mobster. That guy was next level,

640
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,680
just not ideal. He was terrifying, like you said, only

641
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,079
want his cash and it was just torturing him. That

642
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:22,640
was crazy.

643
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,039
Speaker 1: And then you.

644
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Get you get Karen finding out where Frank's house is

645
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,759
in this episode, right, and she goes there and it's

646
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,160
like check it right out. Yeah, and then you see like, okay, well,

647
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680
the agents are on this place too. They got it

648
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920
like wiretap, they got it all like under lock and

649
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Keek sort of speaks. So there's definitely some stuff going

650
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,359
on here, we know, Okay, there's something larger in the

651
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,480
overall narrative happening as well. With Frank. I'm assuming his

652
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,119
was someone does someone live there? Or was this very recent?

653
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:56,839
Because how could he still have this as a home

654
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,759
if his family was murdered like his was weird. It

655
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,680
was weird, So it must have been a very recent

656
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,559
thing for his family to be killed and then he

657
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,880
became the Punisher, But I'm not sure the exact timeline

658
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,719
of events here.

659
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,599
Speaker 1: I actually was really confused on that as well, because

660
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,800
I didn't understand why this house was just it was

661
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,079
like a show home, like it was just completely untouched.

662
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,960
I mean, I imagine it would have taken some time. I

663
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,559
don't remember like the timeline from the show The Punisher

664
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,480
or anything. It's been a long time since I watched that.

665
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,280
But yeah, no, I was also very confused on that

666
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,119
because they don't like blatantly say super easy. It does

667
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,559
seem like it is early on, I think because by

668
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,360
the end of the season, he's like, doesn't he get

669
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,000
like his symbol and everything, like he's kind of got

670
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,679
his suit.

671
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,199
Speaker 2: But yeah I get this vest and yeah, like spray

672
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,599
paints the So yeah, it feels pretty early.

673
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: And I guess if he's been like murdering people for years, like,

674
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,000
it probably would have been a lot bigger of a

675
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,719
deal versus like this new threat that's just been shown

676
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,679
up in I was kitchen. So yeah, I think I would.

677
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,199
I don't. I definitely don't know, but I would assume

678
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,239
it is pretty early on. Yeah.

679
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it times in two with uh.

680
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: Clancy Brown.

681
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, caught me completely out of left field.

682
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,480
I was not expecting that. It's thinking, Man, this guy

683
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,480
is like back in the day, you know, Chuck Norris

684
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,920
is and everything we had, like Liam Neeson was in everything.

685
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,559
Now I feel like, Okay, this guy is in freaking everything.

686
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,559
Speaker 1: That makes me smile every time I see him too,

687
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,320
I'm like, hell yeah, I hear that voice, like he's

688
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,440
just it's crazy how it just for me? It started

689
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,960
with like Dexter new Blood Clancy Brown, but now I

690
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,840
just see him and everything.

691
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,599
Speaker 2: That's what it started with me too. Yeah, because he

692
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,960
has like Star Wars, Marvel guys, freaking everywhere.

693
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: It's Cranklin. Don't forget the pang englin. Oh my god,

694
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,760
yeah he's hit a stride that's.

695
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: Surely has But yeah, so so here this is is

696
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,360
this where they capture afterwards.

697
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,559
Speaker 1: Where he goes to the merry girl round thing. He's

698
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,320
just sitting there like a creep, staring at these children.

699
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,559
I feel like it'd be pretty uh sussery having this

700
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,800
guy just staring at the people in.

701
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: The mid and that's when he gets caught, is it not?

702
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,760
Because that's where the Irish folks.

703
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: He's looking at it. And then the power goes down

704
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,480
every like everyone leaves, and then they show up and

705
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,599
he fucking takes out like a good amount of them.

706
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,559
This guy's right, This guy's a badass.

707
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: And this is where we start to retrace the steps

708
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,960
too of what happened with Frank's family, because we know it, Okay,

709
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,639
this is the this is the place here where his

710
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:37,519
family gets killed.

711
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: And we learned later on how.

712
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,639
Speaker 2: The DA was definitely at fault here with the Irish mob.

713
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,480
How there's many different parties that are that are at

714
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,119
fault here because there were several crimes in the Kits

715
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,960
I think that were staged here and set up, and

716
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,039
the FBI, the DA they were kind of like the

717
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,000
the instigators for this, and then it just turned into

718
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,719
absolute chaos, right and some bullets were going and then

719
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,599
people were hitting the crossfire, including Frank's family, And so

720
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,719
you have Frank trying to unwind this mystery a little

721
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,719
bit and figure it out. And that's where you get

722
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,400
him working with Karen, because after he does get caught,

723
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,920
I think it's in the next episode where he goes

724
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,280
in with the police or he gets arrested, Karen is like, okay,

725
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,280
like I'll help you by finding out the truth, but

726
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,239
you got to help me. And so that's where he's

727
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,960
thinking like okay, yeah, yeah, like if you give me

728
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,239
information on my family and whatever you can dig up,

729
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,920
like I will help you. Because at this point he

730
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,960
didn't he didn't care about the court or anything like

731
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,320
that or not saved. He was just like just get

732
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,320
it over with, like just shoot me or something like that.

733
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:49,639
Speaker 1: He's very depressing. So yeah, what it's in, Yeah, let's

734
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,480
just go to a quick ad break and then we'll

735
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:57,639
be right back. All right, we're back. Anything else on

736
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:59,280
Penny and Time. I guess the thing that happens at

737
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,000
the very end, you know, we see Electra appear. I

738
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,320
thought this was such a fantastic, like reveal of the

739
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,039
episode where he just goes into his house and he's

740
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,199
just recovering, and then he realizes that someone's in the

741
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,880
house with him. Obviously someone would be a kind of

742
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,880
ninja like that can hide from his senses. And then

743
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,519
right away, like they say one, I think she just

744
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,719
says hello, Matthew, so clearly sets up that they have

745
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,920
some history together. I thought it was just fantastic and

746
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:27,679
h for me not expecting her to be in this season,

747
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,599
it was. It was a fantastic reveal.

748
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it's another character I was not anticipating

749
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:38,599
because we got we already got are Punisher here, which

750
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:44,199
caught me off guard. And so then all of a sudden, uh, yes, sorry,

751
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,760
someone opened my door. Yeah, so it just caught me

752
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,760
off guard. I'm looking at Madison, get her a look,

753
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,199
dang it, Frank know.

754
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just it caught me up Garb.

755
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,639
Speaker 2: When Electro popped in, It just it was not expected.

756
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,920
And to know more about her character too, and how

757
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,760
mysterious she is. My only affiliation with her is that

758
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,880
Ben Affleck's movie. I never really like we did an

759
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Electra retro, did we not? Or were we supposed to?

760
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,119
Speaker 1: And we never know.

761
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever did, because I don't know

762
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880
if I think I watched it a long long time ago,

763
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,960
but I don't know if I what I can recall

764
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,039
from that. The only other time I really know of

765
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,840
Electro is in Deadpool and Wolverine, So there's that.

766
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: But not aside.

767
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: I think that this portrayal of the character was awesome.

768
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,679
I really really liked it, and she was just full

769
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:47,840
of mystery and her in depth connection with Matt Murdoch.

770
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,559
It's so much more. There's so much more to it,

771
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,880
not just that, but then her as a character. She's

772
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,960
got her own history as well. When you look at

773
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,920
the hand which we'll get into, and how that's all

774
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,679
tied in and connected to her. But I already mentioned

775
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,119
this earlier. I like how as we get to know

776
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,119
more about her, and she's been more so that, you know,

777
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,960
just kill him and trying to get Matt to be

778
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,320
that kind of that killer and to not be holding back,

779
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,280
which is what I mean, that's what his former master

780
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,440
wanted to right, which again we will get into that.

781
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,639
So there's all these different hands at play with Matt

782
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,199
Murdoch's development as a character in his past and how

783
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,400
he overcomes that and where he goes and where he's

784
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,920
at now too, right, So.

785
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:43,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely let's get into that. Episode five, kin Baku, a

786
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,159
former lover, arrives in Hell's kitchen and turns Murdoch's world

787
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,800
upside down. Karen digs for the truth about the Punisher. Yeah,

788
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
I thought this was a pretty pretty darn good episode.

789
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,239
Not as good as the last, but a lot of

790
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,599
flashbacks in here, so I guess it's kind of warranted

791
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,960
expected to be to be a little bit slower pace

792
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,559
than the last because we had a lot of action

793
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,599
in there. But yeah, gave us a lot of just

794
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:15,480
highlighting I guess the history of Matt and Elektra. I

795
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,960
found it interesting too, how this season was really where

796
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,880
like Matt and Karen are like getting you know, they're

797
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,400
they're snogging, their their rubbing noses and getting all close.

798
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,719
And then that's when you introduce Electra, which is just

799
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,719
a big variable factor obviously a former lover, so there's

800
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,079
some tension there. Later on, you know, you got the

801
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,800
scene where Karen walks in and she's in Matt's bed,

802
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,840
but yeah, a bit of a wrench to throw in

803
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,239
the cogs when they're they're starting to get happy and

804
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,039
uh yeah, just just getting close. But you have this

805
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,800
big wildcard variable introduction of the show. And I did

806
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000
like it because it didn't seem like they just brought

807
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,840
in here just to be like a love issue for

808
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,800
like Matt and Karen and like like, it's not like

809
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,840
that's why she was back. And I like how Matt

810
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,159
like right away was kind of setting that line even

811
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,840
though as it was going on, you understand why they

812
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,320
would have gotten along right like, like he even says, like,

813
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,760
you're the only one that really sees me as myself,

814
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,679
like being this person that just loves to fucking beat

815
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,760
the shit out of people. So I really really like

816
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,440
the just inclusion of her for the season. I think, Yeah,

817
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,199
I don't even think I was gonna say at times

818
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,639
it seems like maybe we have too many players in

819
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,880
the mix, but I think it's honestly, like a really

820
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,559
good amount. I think they did a good job at

821
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,840
handling the focus with the Punisher and Electra as well

822
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,400
as all of our other characters as well as all

823
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,280
the other threats. I think it helps that a lot

824
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,840
of the Punisher stuff. It's not like all the characters

825
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,880
are interacting with each other at the same time, whether

826
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,320
it's Stick, Electra or Punisher Foggy Care like I think

827
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400
the like we have characters on their own kind of missions,

828
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:01,440
so it it it spreads it out nicely. And yeah,

829
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,559
I know, I thought Electra was a badass. I never

830
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,480
got here and the first time I watched the show,

831
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,760
so this was my first time ever even seeing like

832
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:15,039
this actors actress's portrayal of the character. It's funny because

833
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,079
I believe this is the episode where we get the

834
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,480
flashback of like them at the party when Matt first

835
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:24,880
meets her. A lot of like interesting sexual tension amongst

836
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,159
the two of them. I just like the dialogue and

837
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800
like writing that they had obviously like the actors portraying

838
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,119
it really well how Matt just like sees through her

839
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,280
like disguise that she has and that's kind of what

840
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,119
makes it really interesting of a dynamic for her. So

841
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,400
I really liked all that stuff. It was tripped me

842
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,119
out though, because every time that she was wearing this

843
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:44,880
like I think she's wearing a red dress in this

844
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,320
scene at like the formal setting. I just kept seeing

845
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,039
the politician AOC. Do you know who that is? Alexandra

846
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,320
Alexandra something Cortez. Just just google her, just google her.

847
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,760
She looks exactly like Electra in this scene. So I

848
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,239
just kept seeing AOC in it. It was It was

849
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,039
pretty funny to me.

850
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: But anyways, this is an official politician, not a politician

851
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,559
in the show or.

852
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: An actual politician in real life. Yeh, choose, how do.

853
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,119
Speaker 2: You know about this politician just because she's.

854
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: Just been in the feeds? I don't know. I'm not

855
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,360
I don't follow American politics, but she's probably a weird

856
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,519
poll but I don't She's not in my normal feeds,

857
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,400
but I just saw the face. Maybe I'm just I

858
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:34,000
have a weird thing with faces and whatnot. But anyways, yeah,

859
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,119
I know, I liked all the electro stuff here. I like,

860
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,639
I like all the flashbacks. This is also the episode

861
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,159
where Karen I feel like officially unofficially like gets employed

862
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:49,320
at like the newspaper place I can't remember. This is

863
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,480
the episode where she gets Ben's former office, but just

864
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,760
her working with Ben's former employer, who, of course, in

865
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,840
the last season he's just kind of an asshole throughout

866
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,480
the whole thing, and he's kind of like push it,

867
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,559
like he's kind of against Ben a lot of the time,

868
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:05,880
so you just assume that he's like a corrupt bad guy.

869
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,760
But I like the growth of the character. Like I

870
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,719
really like how he's now working with Karen here, and

871
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,599
just it seems like he made a mistake with like

872
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,719
not fully trusting Ben in the past, and now he's

873
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,400
he's got some maybe guilt or something else weighing on

874
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,639
him because because Ben died right and and he just

875
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,519
probably sees a lot of traits that Ben had in

876
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,239
Karen here. So I just really like the pairing of

877
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,880
those those things. I like seeing Karen on her little

878
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,039
missions here investigating the punisher. So yeah, throughout I think

879
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,480
this was a really really solid episode, even though it

880
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:43,519
wasn't as good as maybe the last two for me.

881
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I agree with what you said.

882
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,039
There's interesting dynamics here where you see again the the

883
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,639
starting point of that relationship between Electra and Matt and

884
00:45:56,519 --> 00:46:01,599
just where we know now getting into like near the

885
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,239
back half of the season. It was set up, even

886
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,800
though they don't make it seem like that right now,

887
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,960
which is. I know, it's just good storytelling because he

888
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,960
thinks he's the one that's pursuing her and he's the

889
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,280
one instigating things, and really it was her just kind

890
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,480
of like luring them in and setting up the everything

891
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,880
because we know that Okay, they share the same master,

892
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,280
which we'll talk about later. But yeah, you mentioned how

893
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,880
Karen and madd are kind of getting close, and they

894
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,920
have they're getting into the nitty gritty relationship stuff, and

895
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,199
I mean, I don't blame her for being pissed off

896
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,480
because he's been super flaky. They're trying to work on

897
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:39,360
the Frank case and Matt's not popping up in court

898
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,679
and she just shows up at his house. You got

899
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,880
some random old guys sitting on your couch. You got

900
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,079
a woman that you've never seen before, half naked and

901
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:48,840
just not looking good in his bed. Like it's just

902
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,880
it's totally crazy. And you've been on one date and

903
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,920
kissed each other early like twice, so it's a whole

904
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,800
can of worms to process. But she really just shuts

905
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,400
him down and doesn't want to hear it. But it's like,

906
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,639
you can't think that he's cheating on you, because why

907
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,360
was this old guy here is like it's just like

908
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:10,760
to watch like a cock.

909
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think she she could have pushed.

910
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: A little bit more to get answers, but she just

911
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,239
really just threw him into the fire and didn't want

912
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,559
to have anything to do with it, which is you

913
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:22,880
know at the end of the day that sets her.

914
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: Was that this episode when that happens.

915
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was because it wasn't that the next

916
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,519
episode where Oh no, because which episode was it? Then?

917
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it was this episode. It wasn't, No, no, no,

918
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,079
that was next episode. Because this is a lot of

919
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,599
flash like this is when Matt goes on his date

920
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,679
with Karen, and then a lot of flashbacks of like

921
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,400
when they follow.

922
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,679
Speaker 2: The mansion when the lecture and him go and like

923
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,440
she captures like the guy who killed his father. Okay, okay, yeah,

924
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,480
he was a bad boy, just going to this house,

925
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,440
just like breaking drinking the wine, Like like who is

926
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:58,920
this man?

927
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: Electure man is bringing things out of him? Yeah he

928
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:09,000
was excited, Yeah, he sure was. I mean, yeah, I

929
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,039
kinda kind of gave everything that I had on my

930
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,159
initial I don't really have anything else to bring up.

931
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,159
I did like the date between Karen and Matt. I

932
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,119
feel like throughout the whole season, Matt has been very

933
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,199
distracted with everything else that's going on. But I still

934
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,360
really like the scenes of the two of them. It

935
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,440
seems very authentic and like true, Like it seems like

936
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,239
Matt actually wants to be there. It's not like, you know,

937
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,840
you and I are watching Dexter right now. You know,

938
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,400
in Dexter's like dating Deb's friend, and he just that's

939
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,880
the last thing he wants to do right now, Like

940
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,519
he just says his mind on other things and he

941
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,400
just does not want to be involved in that. I

942
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,360
do believe that Matt wants to be in this relationship

943
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,639
with Karen, and I think it just it adds to

944
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,119
the trickiness of the Dynamics, right because there's so many

945
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,239
things going on, and then you have this relationship with Karen,

946
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,320
and then you have Electra just come in, which is

947
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,360
just like a fucking It's like your your super toxic

948
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,199
ex girlfriend coming in that you have great sexual energy with,

949
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,079
but it's like, you know, she's awful for you. So

950
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,360
I did, like, just yeah, I liked everything that was

951
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,280
introduced here in this in this episode.

952
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

953
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: And then Sally Forth Sally for Oh. The last thing

954
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,199
I'll say is right at the end, this is where

955
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,679
it's a really cool setup into next episode where you

956
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:24,440
have Electra actually like Dawn her like assassin Garb and

957
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:28,119
uh because I I can't, I think it's the Yakuza

958
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,840
are coming to just basically hunt down Electra and then

959
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,199
matches there and she's like gear up, buddy, like she

960
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,559
has his costumer to go there. Yeah, so as soon

961
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,360
as the episode ended, I'm like, oh fuck, yeah, we're

962
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,639
starting with an action sequence next episode.

963
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: So because the Yakuza in the hand they are separate entities,

964
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,719
I believe, right, And so you have the the the

965
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Yukuza is how it started in the handcuffs and later.

966
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,000
But yeah, the Yukuza they were trying to mess around

967
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,679
with her with her own company, were they not, because

968
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,400
she had that board meeting and she was like hacking

969
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,039
into their system fucking around with them. That's right, That's

970
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:03,199
what prompted their attack.

971
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: That would have been this that you're You're right, that

972
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,360
would have been this episode when that was there to

973
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,360
kind of investigate. But yeah, that's kind of what set

974
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,760
it up. And I think she said that she kind

975
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,920
of planned on that happening like she was. She was

976
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,960
basically just starting a fire, and then this is what

977
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,840
happened afterwards. Yeah, that's right. Cool. So let's Sally Force

978
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:30,280
episode six, almost halfway part, halfway point of the season. Uh,

979
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,039
what's it called? Regrets only a lethal foe returns with

980
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:38,079
a vengeance, Foggy and Murdock risk the firm to ensure justice,

981
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:46,519
and Karen sees a different side of the Punisher discuss.

982
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,960
Oh yeah, so of course it starts with the action

983
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:54,679
sequence of Daredevil and Electra taken down some Ninja warriors

984
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,639
and in a dark sequence, just just some good action.

985
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
I thought all the hand to hand combat was really fun.

986
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,880
I like how afterwards Matt an Electra just go out

987
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,400
for go out for a coffee here or whatever. I'm

988
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,639
pretty sure it's yeah, never mind forget what. I kind

989
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,119
of lost my train of thought there. I don't know

990
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,320
what I was gonna say, you save me, save me Taylor. There.

991
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,920
So then the Matt and.

992
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: Elektra them being here, there was this when they were

993
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,519
trying to save the Master in this episode?

994
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Stick was Yeah, were they trying.

995
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: To save save Stick in this one?

996
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I want to say, no, I don't think

997
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:41,360
Stick's in this episode quickly.

998
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:45,159
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't fully recall because I know Stick comes

999
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,280
in later and helps, but I thought that there was

1000
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,719
an episode where Stick because they're fighting the ninjas and

1001
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,559
Matt's just getting his ass. Oh no, that's right. Okay,

1002
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,840
Matt gets his ass handed to him because he can't

1003
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,920
hear their heart beats, right, because they've kind of mastered.

1004
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: That later on.

1005
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, that's what I was getting confused with

1006
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,840
because I know Stick gives them some advice, but yeah,

1007
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,840
he he just this was a different dynamic because he's

1008
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,719
the man's I think he's feeling better from his hearing

1009
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,599
problem and his his like setbacks with the Punisher. I

1010
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,599
think he's kind of bounced back from that at this point, right,

1011
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:22,960
and so now it's just a matter of Okay, these

1012
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,519
ninjas have silenced their heart beats and he can't hear them,

1013
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:30,000
So how's he fighting them? How can how can he

1014
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,599
counter that? And I think he can still hear like

1015
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,239
when they pull their swords out right and they're they're

1016
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,360
like swinging around, so he's listening for that, which house Yeah,

1017
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,239
they're farting and everything like that, So you get some

1018
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,000
really cool fight sequences in this episode, and then you get, yeah,

1019
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,960
a lot more stuff with Frank Castle. So Karen is

1020
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,880
talking with him, trying to figure it out and just

1021
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,400
sharing more about his past that she learns about, and

1022
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,159
that gets the cooperation going. And so I like the

1023
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:03,840
dynamic of them working together and he's more trusting of her.

1024
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,480
But you're getting to see a different side of Frank

1025
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,320
here than we've seen at the start. Well, there is

1026
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,320
still that underlying condition of him just wanting to kill

1027
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,159
everyone that's bad everyone, that's like a sickness to the

1028
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,079
city and just a killer. But I think in Front

1029
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,800
was in Front of the Judge where Frank is basically

1030
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:29,079
just like says, I'm guilty here because don't because they

1031
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,320
toy with him, right, That was like or two episodes

1032
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,000
from now Jesus Christ, Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, because

1033
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,360
the trial the people versus Frank Castle.

1034
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 1: Trials, assuming it's episode eight, because episode eight is Guilty

1035
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:43,400
of Sin.

1036
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1037
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,519
Speaker 1: So now they're just kind of building their case.

1038
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,039
Speaker 2: And I think this is where Foggy's really trying to

1039
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,719
rely on Matt too, because he's he doesn't want to

1040
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,400
be the only one going in on this, it's supposed

1041
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,519
to be Matt opens up and then Foggy and they're

1042
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:00,360
just kind of supposed to work together, but of course

1043
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,159
Electure coming in totally steals the show for Matt, and

1044
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,320
Matt's now completely preoccupied with her and is leaving this

1045
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,079
Frank Castle case out in the open, you know, walking

1046
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,639
in late to the Yeah, well this is like the

1047
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,519
first time that they actually have a sit down conversation

1048
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,360
with him, you know. Matt pulls out of his lawyer

1049
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,679
bag and like just drops bombs on the DA on

1050
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,320
like why they're allowed to be there and everything that

1051
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,760
they're doing is legal and all that jazz. So then

1052
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,920
it like sets up everything so they can start building

1053
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,719
the case, and then Matt has to go because the

1054
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,840
Electure is calling him right, And I, yeah, it's kind

1055
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,000
of a fun situation because it's like, Okay, we finally

1056
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,880
get set it up. Now we have all hands on

1057
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,559
deck to figure out this guy's case. But then Matt

1058
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,239
just has to fuck off. And I guess this is.

1059
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,559
Speaker 1: Like reasons why Foggy would be really really upset and

1060
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,119
pissed off at Matt. So earlier I said I don't

1061
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,079
really love that dynamic, but I guess here it kind

1062
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,039
of sets up on why it's justified, and then yeah,

1063
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,360
e lecture just steals them. They go to this party together.

1064
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,400
He justes all fancy and I mean like he's annoyed

1065
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400
that she's just doing this, but like at the same time,

1066
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,519
he is also enjoying it, right, like like he is

1067
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:12,719
getting to the what he thinks is like the root

1068
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,079
of some crime issues and like his he gets to

1069
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,920
beat the shit out of people. So like it's just, yeah,

1070
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,440
it's balancing the two sides. Like, I think Matt does

1071
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,039
a lot of things in the season that are justified

1072
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,280
and like totally understandable, but he still does things where

1073
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,079
I'm like, man, like that is not the right move

1074
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,760
or played to make, so really just doubles down on

1075
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,920
you know, he is a flawed character. He's not perfect.

1076
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,159
Even though it seems like he's doing everything very justified

1077
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,960
and making the right moves, I think he still falters

1078
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:48,599
in certain situations and doesn't think about everyone else's feelings

1079
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:49,679
and stuff like that.

1080
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: No, he gets completely compromised, and again I attribute that

1081
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,679
to a lecture coming in and completely spinning his world

1082
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,360
upside down.

1083
00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Smells she just comes in exotic smell and

1084
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,920
his senses are going crazy because the.

1085
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,199
Speaker 2: First time we're really seeing him drop the ball aside

1086
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,880
from being injured in Foggy finding out and so forth,

1087
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,719
but this is him like really putting his own mission with.

1088
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,079
Speaker 1: The Electra over Foggy and then his friends.

1089
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: And so at this point do we see like did

1090
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,079
he tell Foggy about Electra coming back now because Foggy

1091
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,960
was well aware of that dynamic.

1092
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: They just say like a new client, and then he

1093
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,960
just leaves it at that, and then I think later

1094
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,920
on he might mention like it's Electra, but it's it's

1095
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,679
not at this point in the season, right, right, unless

1096
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,280
I'm really mistaken, I think you're right. I don't think yeah.

1097
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:45,159
So yeah, this is where we have Karen actually sitting

1098
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:49,239
down with the Punisher as well. Just really good. I

1099
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,480
don't know, it's just she brings out a different side

1100
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,920
of him, which is great. I love all their scenes

1101
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,920
together throughout the whole season. I think they're both really

1102
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,360
really good. It's funny. John Bernthal actually has a podcast.

1103
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,519
I've never like watched it, but I just randomly watched

1104
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:07,239
Karen's episode. I forget the actress's real name. I want

1105
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,079
to say Deborah and something. But yeah, it was just

1106
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,880
kind of funny them talking about the show and just

1107
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,159
other things outside of the show. She's also a massive

1108
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,320
D and D person, which I just think is amazing.

1109
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,360
It's like a side gig of hers. She like makes

1110
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,119
campaigns for people and like dms, which is just so cool.

1111
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,079
But yeah, no, I like seeing the chemistry that they

1112
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:31,079
have on screen, because they definitely have it off screen

1113
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,280
from just judging by that one episode that I watch.

1114
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,079
But yeah, other than that, I think that's kind of

1115
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:46,159
everything that happened in this episode. Quickly scanning. Yeah, this

1116
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:47,760
is actually the episode where I thought she looked like

1117
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,119
AOC because the red lipstick and dress, which is just funny.

1118
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:56,719
But anyways, cool. Moving on episode seven over the halfway point,

1119
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,239
this is where we get simper fidel us. I always

1120
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,440
just say simplify. Murdock and Foggy take on the DA

1121
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,639
in the Trial of the Century, but their client refuses

1122
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,840
to play along. Murdock struggles to balance his dual identities.

1123
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,719
I believe this is the Clancy Brown episode when they

1124
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,760
call him his witness. I mean, yeah, another solid episode,

1125
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,480
just kind of building on everything that we were already

1126
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:29,079
kind of discussing last episode, Electra and Daredevil are working

1127
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:33,760
together a lot more here or just I guess continuingly

1128
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,639
to work together in their suits, and it's just I

1129
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:41,280
think I feel like this episode is just like, Wow,

1130
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,000
all the episodes are kind of a build up on

1131
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,280
the previous, but this one more so. It feels like

1132
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,639
the last episode and this one are like one contained

1133
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:50,440
because it just seems like they're doing the same things,

1134
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,559
like they're still working on the trial, and then Daredevil

1135
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:59,440
and Electra are still doing their their nighttime their nighttime

1136
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,519
exercise is and not sexual. So, yeah, what do you

1137
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,599
think about some simplify Yeah, I mean this.

1138
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: This episode, Uh so the trial is getting closer and

1139
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,280
you have them trying to pick a different I guess

1140
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,000
causation for for Frank to kind of give him some

1141
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,239
some ground in his core strategy for the Yeah, the strategy,

1142
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,840
I think PTSD was kind of the go to, but

1143
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,519
Frank's just like no, no, no, like that's just dishonorable,

1144
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,880
disrespectful to everyone that actually the war beats that do

1145
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,440
have PTSD, So they kind of scrap that and they

1146
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,519
retackle their their plan to focus on the family and

1147
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,800
how the justice system failed his family, and his family

1148
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,639
got killed, and of course they don't know the full

1149
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,280
story at this time, but they're just using it as

1150
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,920
kind of causation to warrant why Frank did what he did,

1151
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,480
because the justice system doesn't do anything, so Frank had

1152
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,159
to quote and be the justice system. It's a it's loose,

1153
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,840
but it's I see what they were trying to go

1154
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,800
with it. I think you get Matt and Karen working

1155
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,480
together on like the cross examination, because you have the

1156
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:10,880
the medical officer who had changed the details right on

1157
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,400
some of the crime scenes, and I got a little

1158
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:16,320
confused on that because like there was a body present,

1159
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,960
but then the of a sudden, the body was no

1160
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:22,360
longer existence there at the crime scene. So yeah, it's

1161
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,320
just this is where things got murky because I wasn't sure, like, Okay,

1162
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,400
at what point here is the DA trying to really

1163
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,199
change up the dynamic here and mess up and really

1164
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:37,199
get Frank put away. Then you also have Electra meddling

1165
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,440
in the case now and like making threats to the

1166
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:45,800
medical examiner. So there's like she's really really like the

1167
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,320
worlds were separate, and it was just Matt making bad

1168
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,760
decisions by being too much with Elektra and not too

1169
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,000
much with his friends and trying to work on the case.

1170
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:55,159
But now you have a lecture coming into his world,

1171
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:58,639
now more so into his friend's world, messing up with

1172
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,480
the case, and so it's just it gets really, really,

1173
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,320
really bad.

1174
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought this was I thought this

1175
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,199
was good because it seemed like Matt was getting too

1176
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,400
comfortable with just living the double life. He's like, wow,

1177
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,079
this is just easy, Like I can I can do

1178
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:16,360
the day to day stuff and then go mess around

1179
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,280
with Electra in the nighttime. Again, not sexual, but there

1180
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,760
was some moments where I feel like there was some

1181
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,440
sexual tension. When he's pattering up and they're just like

1182
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,440
in their underwear and he's getting all close with her

1183
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,320
on the couch. I thought maybe he was gonna go

1184
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,400
a little bit further, and I'm like, oh, man, oh, Matt,

1185
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,639
this is where I really lose some, you know, some

1186
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,960
some respect for him just doing questionable things. He's balancing

1187
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,480
two women here. I feel like he gets close to

1188
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:41,719
the line, but I guess he doesn't go across it,

1189
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,800
So kudos to him there. But Electra's just exotic smells

1190
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,239
or just just winning over winning him over. So I

1191
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:54,119
think I was surprised by the fact that they didn't

1192
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:55,679
go over the line there, like I thought it was

1193
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,039
really gonna go that way. But I liked how she

1194
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:01,519
did try to, you know, try to help him out

1195
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,079
by just threatening this guy. It's staying true to her

1196
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:10,159
extreme techniques. I guess, for lack of a better term

1197
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,159
of just like she's gonna go like she'll she'll murder

1198
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,719
this guy and like like if she has to to

1199
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,599
like get her point across or whatever, like, whereas Matt

1200
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:20,679
is never at that point, like that's where they've always

1201
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,440
been at odds is that just kind of like the

1202
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,719
punisher thing, right, Like like she's willing to just murder people,

1203
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:29,000
whereas Matt isn't, Like it's just that's not the right

1204
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,199
thing to do. And although he's getting warm and cozy

1205
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:35,519
with her, like, when she does go that far, he's

1206
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:37,840
like disgusted because that's just so not what he is

1207
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,679
and he just thinks that's so wrong. So I like

1208
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,199
that he stayed true to kind of what he believes

1209
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:47,639
in in that situation. And then when she just ruins

1210
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,000
the trial here, like they can't even use this now

1211
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,559
as evidence, which is just like a major, major loss

1212
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:56,000
on their strategies, so he's obviously very very pissed off

1213
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,079
at the end. And then this is the episode actually

1214
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,519
where he tells Foggy that it's Electra, that she's the

1215
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:04,039
one that kind of fucks it up, and again Foggy

1216
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,079
gets very understandably pissed off, like this is like his

1217
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,760
own outside shit is now affecting their day to day

1218
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,199
lives and they're going to lose this case, and their lawyers,

1219
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,360
you know, they don't want to lose, and someone's life

1220
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,519
is on the line. So yeah, I think I liked

1221
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:20,639
how all the dynamics kind of played out.

1222
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1223
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,719
Speaker 1: Cool some more cool action scenes in the beginning in

1224
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,199
the train yard, which was really good. This episode, I

1225
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:37,079
believe ended with the giant pit. Yes, so I don't

1226
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:39,320
think there was any action at the end though. They

1227
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,000
just see the pit and that's it. And then next

1228
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,079
episode is where Stick appears because that's when the Ninjas

1229
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,079
come and then he can't really hear them, and then

1230
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:51,679
Stick comes in and kicks ass and then explain.

1231
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: So like whispers to Darrin, I will like listen to their.

1232
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: Listen for their that's right. So let's get right to it.

1233
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,480
Episode eight, Guilty as Sin. As the firm's trial spins

1234
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:08,360
out of control, a figure from Murdoch's past returns to

1235
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:14,599
deliver shocking revelations about the future of Hell's Kitchen. Yeah, so,

1236
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:17,880
as we were kind of alluding to mister Stick himself

1237
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,760
the master of dared Evil. I don't know if it's

1238
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,840
do they say that he also trained a lecture here?

1239
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,760
Does that come later on?

1240
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: I think that is here because we learned that, well

1241
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,760
maybe it was the next episode we get the flashbacks,

1242
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,920
but I know here we get confirmation that Stick has

1243
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,159
her working for him, and I think Murdoch finds out like, okay, sold,

1244
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280
everything from the start was just you and Stick, and

1245
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,119
it's always been Matt, Like Matt's been the focal point.

1246
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,000
But I think Elektro was supposed to help kind of

1247
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,519
keep him going in this path that Stick wanted him

1248
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:57,639
to go down. Yeah, and of course you know Matt's

1249
01:04:57,679 --> 01:04:59,079
not going to like that because it's like, well, then

1250
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,199
everything we had was just bullshit. But then from Electra,

1251
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,639
I's like, well, no, like it was supposed to be bullshit,

1252
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:09,440
but I really did love you. So it's a little convoluted.

1253
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about Stick?

1254
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,599
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of him. He just yeah,

1255
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,519
I feel like he just stands out. He walks in

1256
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,599
with his little old like army coat, his green like

1257
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:24,000
warback coat, and he walks into his little like walking

1258
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,719
blind cane and then he just like kicks ass like

1259
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,960
he's a mother trucker and just dominates the scene. He

1260
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:31,519
just feels so out of place.

1261
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what about you. I don't like Stick at all.

1262
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:39,960
I I feel like I didn't love him in season one,

1263
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,719
and I just I would have been okay if we

1264
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,559
never see this guy again. I don't know, Like I

1265
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,079
guess it fits for the story because he's the tying

1266
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:50,800
piece to Electro and everything, but I like it seems

1267
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,360
like the ros el Ghoul from like Batman begins dynamic

1268
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,760
of like Leam Neesen and Christian Bale of like you know,

1269
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,880
like that's his trainer, Like there's obviously some admiration there,

1270
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,599
but like he's just so extreme, so like he doesn't

1271
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,079
doesn't like how extreme he is. And that's how the

1272
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:09,280
dynamic felt from season one. In season two, it's like

1273
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,760
the same thing again, but like they're working the I

1274
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,159
don't know. I just I feel like the character is

1275
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,400
a little goofy too, with all the blindness and everything,

1276
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,000
and like when he when he's saving him an electra

1277
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,960
in the car and like he just keeps like it.

1278
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,159
To me, it's just so corny. He's just like he's like, oh,

1279
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:26,880
guy on the left, and he just like snipes him

1280
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,239
with his crossbow and he's like blind and I'm just like,

1281
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,239
this is so stupid. But yeah, I'm not a big

1282
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,480
fan of stick. So hopefully he's not really a part

1283
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:40,239
of season three, but we'll see. I'm assuming he will be. Yeah,

1284
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:42,960
I know, but the the opening chasing I kind of

1285
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,559
game my thoughts. I thought he was kind of corny,

1286
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,880
just the arrows going into the vehicle and everything. He

1287
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,400
ends up saving Elektra again, I thought this was just

1288
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,400
kind of a corny scene. He's like, get that tea going,

1289
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:56,079
and then he like saves her. He's like, oh, perfect,

1290
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,079
thanks for the tea. Yeah, just just a little bit

1291
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:02,320
too bad for me. And then yeah, he reveals the

1292
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,519
big war with the hand and you know, big just

1293
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:08,159
a war is happening. It's bigger than all of us.

1294
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,559
I think I just don't like the setup of what

1295
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:14,760
this is. It just seems so like mythical and I

1296
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,440
guess that's what the Hand is. I'm just yeah, yeah, exactly,

1297
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,079
that's exactly what it is. I I like the grounded

1298
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:23,960
threats of what's going on here, and now we're getting

1299
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,039
introduced just this thousand year old war with the Hand

1300
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,760
and like it's happening in Hell's kitchen. I just think

1301
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,840
when this was introduced, I didn't love the substance. And

1302
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,159
that's kind of what happens. I mean, that's the main

1303
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:38,119
threat for the rest of the season now, right, Obviously

1304
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:40,880
there's there's other things that are going on. A mister

1305
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,320
Fisk appears, but yeah, I just I didn't love the

1306
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,199
whole setup of the Hand. I think I like the

1307
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:49,960
action scenes of like the Ninja's fighting Matt. I mean

1308
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,480
that happens last last season with Nobu, right, like that

1309
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,800
was a pretty badass fight sequence. The Yakuzo always kind

1310
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,920
of has some like ninja guys. But I think, just yeah,

1311
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,159
I was a little bit too grandiose, like you said,

1312
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:05,599
for me, yeah, I would agree with that.

1313
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't mind the grandiose, but I

1314
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,239
would have liked it to be a little bit more

1315
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,360
set up appropriately instead of how Stick just kind of

1316
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:16,279
shares that information. Because yeah, you do get a lot

1317
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,680
in this episode, like we already talked about, is when

1318
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:25,000
Karen finds out about the Electra and Murdoch's bed. Yeah,

1319
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:29,680
the CUK situation, and you have Murdoch finding out, Okay,

1320
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,520
this boy assassin sneaks into his plays and it's just

1321
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,000
a teenager, so that's not great. And Electra like kills him.

1322
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,800
So there's a lot going on here too, and they

1323
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,239
lost the case, right, So Nelson is now or fuck,

1324
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:48,640
he's like, Matt, you ruined it, Like what's going on here? Like, yeah,

1325
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,960
you've totally costed us everything. So it's just it's not

1326
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,359
it's not good right now for our characters. And then

1327
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,359
you have to top it all off, you have Castle

1328
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:01,359
going to prison and Fisk is running the show now

1329
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,520
and just basically giving him a job in prison, which

1330
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,239
is just something else that's pretty crazy. But I I

1331
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:10,119
I'm excited to talk about that because I do feel

1332
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,199
like Fisk. I feel like he played his hands wrong

1333
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,560
with how he used to punisher. It could have been

1334
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,279
much better, but yeah, he was an idiot about it.

1335
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: No, I thought it was a fantastic reveal. I obviously

1336
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,600
knew Fisk was still out there, but I like to

1337
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,840
see him at the end there. I thought that was

1338
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,479
really sweet set up and dangerous, right because you have

1339
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,800
like a guy like Castle who it seemed like we're

1340
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,039
going in the right directions. Then he's like, no, fucking guilty,

1341
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:40,399
all of you motherfuckers, and then it seems like the

1342
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,319
lawyers can't help him at all, and now he's just

1343
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,399
he's even more pissed off now, and then he's getting

1344
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,479
paired up with Fisk, who has the the tools to

1345
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,920
really set him up on that rampage path. So I

1346
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:55,720
was I was worried for everyone when that when that

1347
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,439
reveal happened at the end there. But yeah, I I

1348
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:05,279
found it though, how like they finally get part of me,

1349
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,640
They finally get Frank to cooperate, and like, yeah, this

1350
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,640
is what we're gonna do. Okay, we're all good. Wow,

1351
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,319
he's gonna do it. That's amazing. And he gets on

1352
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:16,279
the sign he's like, you motherfucker's up on a fucking murder,

1353
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:19,840
all of you, paraphrasing hard whatever the hell he actually said,

1354
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,000
but be Its just says he's guilty, and uh, just

1355
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:26,039
goes to jail there and he's just so unhinged and

1356
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,720
no one can really control this guy. I just kind

1357
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,279
of chuckled when he freaks out there, because it's it's like, Wow,

1358
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,319
they're actually gonna do something here, like this seems like

1359
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:37,039
it's working. Then no, you motherfuckers, you're rotten hell and

1360
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,520
I mean fair right, Like he's he's trying to really

1361
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,800
showcase how corrupt and fucked up the whole DA is

1362
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,720
and this whole trial is just not legitimate at all.

1363
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,680
So I thought it was justified. Yeah, I mean I

1364
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,600
would agree anything else. Episode eight, No, I got nothing,

1365
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,520
You got nothing. Let's take another ad break here and

1366
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:03,399
then we will sally forth, sally and forth. We got

1367
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,039
seven minutes of heaven or no, seven minutes in Heaven.

1368
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:11,039
Episode nine, Castle gets an offer he can't refuse from

1369
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,720
who we might ask. That's not part of the description.

1370
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,760
I threw that in Uh, Fuggy and Murdock questioned the

1371
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,920
future of their firm, but Karen won't give up so easily. Yeah,

1372
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,720
this is uh, this is the big shebang episode. This

1373
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,520
is where we get Frank Castle wielding a shive, going

1374
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,279
to take out the uh the kingpin of the prison.

1375
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:37,319
I found it so funny the whole uh, the tough

1376
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:40,239
guy like approaching Wilson Fisk here. It's like, hey, you're

1377
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:41,960
the kingpin out there, well on the kingpin in here,

1378
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,720
and I'm like, man, this is not gonna go well

1379
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,119
at all. I feel like, I feel like Wilson wouldn't

1380
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,119
have even cared if this guy didn't approach him and

1381
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,920
do this whole thing. But that was the setup of everything.

1382
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,439
He clearly has a big ego and you know, wants

1383
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,239
to be the guy running everything, and I guess the

1384
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:57,760
guy kind of kind of called him out right. He's like,

1385
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,159
I know, you're kind you're the one that wants to

1386
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:04,079
be running everything. Pretty juicy episode overall. I thought there's

1387
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:09,760
a lot of good tension in here, and uh yeah,

1388
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,119
what else happened in here? Oh yeah, I guess the

1389
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,159
trial ended, and then Matt's really preoccupied with his Electra

1390
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,439
stuff and everything else that's going on, and then Foggy's

1391
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,319
really betrayed by his buddy, which again I think it's

1392
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:24,279
totally justified. Like if Matt wasn't doing the Daredevil stuff,

1393
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:26,800
they probably would have won that trial, right because Matt

1394
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,399
would have been fully engaged in it in full hundred percent.

1395
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:31,319
I mean Electro wouldn't have been involved, so they wouldn't

1396
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:35,960
have lost that key witness. So yeah, it's it's funny

1397
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,760
because early on I said I didn't love the whole

1398
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,800
splitting up dynamic, But the more we like go through

1399
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,880
these episode, I'm like, man, this is actually really justified

1400
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:46,319
from Matt from Foggy's perspective. So yeah, yeah, I kind

1401
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:48,079
of changing my tune a little bit on that, But

1402
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,279
some great Fisk scenes. I mean, Vincent's just phenomenal throughout

1403
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:54,760
the whole show, the whole portrayal of the character. So

1404
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:58,199
getting him on the phone, kind of building up his crime,

1405
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,800
you know, like like he brings in his lawyer guy

1406
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:03,600
or whoever the hell that businessman is to just look

1407
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,479
out for these people's families, right and like give them

1408
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,880
some money and whatnot. He's just building up his army.

1409
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,800
So I kind of like that being showcased here, just

1410
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,000
the Kingpin being the kingpin. Mm hmm.

1411
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get him not having a great start at first,

1412
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:20,880
but yeah, just really turn it around in prison, and

1413
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:26,720
it just it he uses Castle quite well. But I

1414
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,960
feel like how he just tries to portray him when

1415
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,720
he releases all like the Blacksmiths guys on him. Just

1416
01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:35,720
not I don't feel like that was smart because all

1417
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,640
the guys die, Like Fists could have recruited those guys

1418
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,560
into his crew for there's a lot of bodies, Like,

1419
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,560
but you're telling me okay, like you have a whole

1420
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,079
haul that just gets murdered. And then he lets Frank

1421
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:50,279
Castle escape, Like just it blew my mind. Actually see

1422
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:52,600
how much control Fisk actually had in here when he's

1423
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,600
got all the cops just like letting him do whatever

1424
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,560
he wants to do. Uh, Like no one is doing

1425
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,279
a routine checkup and just seeing what's going on here,

1426
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:05,159
because that's that's bad, Like that's really really bad. No

1427
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:08,479
one's gonna ask questions like why Frank Castle was in

1428
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,920
this part of the prison and just killed like thirty guys.

1429
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, why the whole prison wing is just gone?

1430
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it just doesn't make much sense. But again

1431
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,359
it's just it's whatever. It's just a plot, armor But

1432
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,560
it's fine. I think that them having this connection of

1433
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,079
this discussion and then Frank Castle just being like the

1434
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:29,319
next time I see you, like you're you're done. I

1435
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,359
like that he gets out, and he's got he's got

1436
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:35,319
a general trajectory now where he's got to go and

1437
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:38,439
what he's got to do to uncover more revenge on

1438
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,560
his family. Right because he had a conversation with the Blacksmith,

1439
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,720
the Blacksmith is basically telling him like, Okay, yeah, this

1440
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,600
was like a whole like a whole thing set up

1441
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,640
or no, he reveals he organized, Sorry, he wasn't the Blacksmith.

1442
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,079
The guy in jail, in prison that Frank kills On

1443
01:14:55,159 --> 01:14:58,560
behalf of Fisk, organized the deal for a drug dealer

1444
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,600
called the Blacksmith, and that where everyone's focal point kind

1445
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,079
of hones in on trying to track this guy down afterwards,

1446
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,720
So I miss spoke on that, But yeah, afterwards, when

1447
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,840
you have a page just becoming more of a more

1448
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,600
of a journalist instead of instead of just being a

1449
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:21,359
secretary at a lawyer firm, I like that. I like

1450
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:22,920
how she's here to get into the nity griddy and

1451
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,159
she's finding some more information on things, and especially because

1452
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:30,720
she confirms that we mentioned before with the the former

1453
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,920
chief medical Officer Kyle, there was the kind of cover

1454
01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:37,479
up stuff with like the Castle family, but there was

1455
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,119
another victim in this massacre and it was an undercover cop.

1456
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,039
I think that's where I kind of got confused on

1457
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:44,119
things because they were trying to hide that and it

1458
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,800
was part of like a sting operation, and I think

1459
01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:49,199
they were hiding the sting operation because you didn't want

1460
01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:51,600
it to That just makes the cops look bad. They

1461
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,479
put innocent people in harm's way, right, and then a

1462
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,319
cop died and it just looks it looks really bad,

1463
01:15:57,319 --> 01:15:59,920
and the DA doesn't want that because the DA wants

1464
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:03,880
to become the mayor. So it just gets really really wurky.

1465
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:07,279
And then you have them finding that that hands farm

1466
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,039
where they're harvesting people.

1467
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: It's just oh that was locked up. Yeah, that was gross.

1468
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,760
The wild scene, it's funny. As we're going through this,

1469
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,880
I'm like, man, there's a lot of similarities between Daredevil

1470
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,840
and Batman actually, like like they don't really like I

1471
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,439
guess Matt has heightened senses and everything, but like they're

1472
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,039
just hand to hand crime fighters in a corrupt city

1473
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:28,920
and they don't like to murder people, but they beat

1474
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,800
the shit out of it, like, and they're investigating. Like

1475
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,760
there's just so many similarities there, and yeah, like just

1476
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,039
the whole dynamic of like trying to cover up like

1477
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:41,960
the cop that got murdered and just the really dirty,

1478
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,760
grimy stuff that's going on behind the scenes. And uh yeah,

1479
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,439
maybe that's why I'm like in the character a lot.

1480
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:52,520
But uh I, where was I gonna go with that?

1481
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:58,239
In terms of Fisk mishandling the whole Punisher situation, I

1482
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,279
think it's really just Fisk had no idea what this

1483
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:02,640
guy was capable of. Like Fisk just sees all these

1484
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,399
soldiers as okay, he like looks out for them to

1485
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,079
get them loyal, but like, at the end of the day,

1486
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,960
they're just pawns on his chessboard, right, Like he doesn't

1487
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:14,279
really care too much about them. So sets up a

1488
01:17:14,359 --> 01:17:16,800
weapon in a situation take out a threat, which you know,

1489
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,439
the weapon being the Punisher Frank Castle, and then it's like, okay,

1490
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,560
let's just get rid of this situation fucking murders like

1491
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,359
thirty people. Makes it out, it's like, oh, wow, this

1492
01:17:25,399 --> 01:17:28,560
guy's actually maybe I can't control this guy. Maybe I

1493
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,239
don't want to control this guy. Maybe I just want

1494
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,600
to set him in a direction and let him do

1495
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,720
his thing. So that's why he sends them out of

1496
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,000
prison to kind of just be a wild card out there,

1497
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:42,079
and although he's not working for Fist directly, he's doing

1498
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:46,920
things that benefit Fisk in many ways. So I did

1499
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,520
like how that played out. I pretty much just like

1500
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,600
Vincent Donofrio, you know, just on screen with John Bernthal,

1501
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,960
like he's just so fantastic at playing that role and

1502
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,960
just seeing him run this prison. Yeah, I definitely pose

1503
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:03,520
some questions to myself on what you already highlighted of,

1504
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,720
Like these prisoners not have families or like lawyers that

1505
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,960
are like like checking in on them or anything. They're

1506
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,800
just gonna be gone and no one's gonna question this

1507
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,439
or anything.

1508
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,399
Speaker 2: Like like the Fist ones have families, that's how you

1509
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,239
manage to them, but not the other guys.

1510
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like like like no one's gonna realize that

1511
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,279
Fisk is just running this prison. Like I guess they're

1512
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:25,239
just really highlighting how corrupt it is, but like there's

1513
01:18:25,239 --> 01:18:28,359
no fucking warden of the prison or anything. Like. I

1514
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:30,920
don't know, I was just it just seemed a little

1515
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,399
silly to me that they don't even focus on explaining

1516
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,119
any of that stuff. It's like, no, this is just

1517
01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:38,960
his town now. But yeah, whatever, I didn't really care

1518
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,960
too much. I liked what we caught. Yeah, ending on

1519
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,840
like the blood farm, that was just grotesque. I mean

1520
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,720
it's happened a few times. Is the show of some

1521
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,279
gross moments, but just that much blood, I feel like

1522
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:53,239
I get like faint with blood too, Like if I'm

1523
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:56,560
giving blood, I just start to get a little little queasy.

1524
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,600
So just seeing all that, I wasn't feeling queasy, but

1525
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,600
I'm like, man, that's a fucked up situation. They're just

1526
01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:05,640
literally farming these people for their their their life essence,

1527
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:12,000
their their HP. So yeah, it was pretty gross. Anything

1528
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,000
else we missed on this episode, I think we kind

1529
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,760
of got. Well, actually this is where Karen gets her

1530
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,520
office in Ben's play, so that was kind of a

1531
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,319
nice wholesome moment.

1532
01:19:22,079 --> 01:19:25,520
Speaker 2: Other reporters like been here for ten years office?

1533
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the fuck?

1534
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:29,319
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1535
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool? Yeah, it's uh Sally Forth. Episode ten, The

1536
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:42,279
Men in the Box, Murdoch and Foggy get caught in

1537
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:46,760
the crossfire. The Punishers revenge, Karen and Murdoch dig for

1538
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:54,039
the truth in very different ways. I didn't really check

1539
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:56,880
what the juice was of this episode. I know this

1540
01:19:57,039 --> 01:20:01,359
was the one where Matt and Wilson and get a

1541
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,800
sit down. You know, that's always a spicy situation you

1542
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:10,000
get those two on screen together. Oh yeah, yeah.

1543
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: I think that's where Fisk kind of suspects something more to.

1544
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: Matt.

1545
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,039
Speaker 2: He doesn't think that he's Daredevil, but I think he

1546
01:20:18,119 --> 01:20:21,079
thinks that there's something here worth investigating, because he kind

1547
01:20:21,079 --> 01:20:24,159
of like puts those feelers out right to pursue Hi.

1548
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,359
Because it was just I think it was it was

1549
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:28,800
weirdly unprompted why he would just pop up there, And

1550
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,279
I think again that was emotionally compromised Matt doing that.

1551
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:32,840
He should have been a little bit more careful on

1552
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,000
how he played this, especially because he realized, like, hey,

1553
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,600
Fisk just broke out of his cuffs and just assaulted

1554
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,399
him and like there's no penance for it.

1555
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:44,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's it. Like I totally

1556
01:20:44,079 --> 01:20:46,039
agree with you. I don't think it's uh he knows

1557
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:49,199
exactly as Daredevil is. Just there's something more to this

1558
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:52,159
blind lawyer, you know, like break breaking out of the

1559
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:54,840
cuffs and like grabbing him and fucking intimidating them like

1560
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,800
that would scare any man, Oh yeah, into uh cowardice.

1561
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,119
But the fact that He's just kind of hole in

1562
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,960
his ground there and not really flinching when this giant

1563
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:06,000
mass of a man just puts his big, grimy myths

1564
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,279
on him. I like to set up with his lawyer,

1565
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,119
it's like you will address him as mister Fisk and

1566
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:13,439
has all these things Like I just like all the

1567
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:20,239
like the clean business tactics that like Wilson Fisk has,

1568
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:22,479
not just like the kingpin side of it, Like he

1569
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,039
is very clean and professional, I think with everything, Like

1570
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,079
his lawyer even gets it, all the documents made in braille,

1571
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,479
you know, to like to like look out from Matt,

1572
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,399
like just all those things. It's like it doesn't really

1573
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:37,560
have to do that, but it just makes him more

1574
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,760
than just like a grimy crime boss, right like like

1575
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,199
he I think I'm struggling to say it, but it's

1576
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:48,000
just it's more of like a professional stamp that the

1577
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:50,960
Kingpin has to that character, and I just I like

1578
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:54,720
all that stuff. It's it was seen throughout season one

1579
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,199
and again in season two, even when he's in prison,

1580
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,119
it seems like a formal meetium and then Matt walks

1581
01:22:01,119 --> 01:22:05,800
out of there just bleeding out of his mouth. Yeah,

1582
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,600
what else happens in here? We have. I can't. I

1583
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,159
don't think this is the episode where Claire quits the hospital.

1584
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:16,600
I think it's coming up the next week's.

1585
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:17,359
Speaker 2: The next next episode.

1586
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is the episode where we start to

1587
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:23,319
see like the zombies kind of showcase, like they don't

1588
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:25,439
do too much, but they just like I think at

1589
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,119
the end is where they start to awake.

1590
01:22:28,399 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they get sent to Claire here at her

1591
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,840
hospital secretly because they don't get them registered as patients

1592
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,680
because they want to keep it low key, and so

1593
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:39,760
Claire is giving them treatment. Of course, Castle's escaped at

1594
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:45,079
this point, and oh, this is the DA agent gets Yeah,

1595
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:47,279
and they set it up like it is Frank that

1596
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,399
does that. But I mean, and you you want to

1597
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,399
believe it too, because we learned the DA admits to

1598
01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:57,399
uh Murdoch and Foggy and Karen that hey, I am,

1599
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,960
I am with the big reasons here. I set up

1600
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,279
the sting and we chose not to move civilians out

1601
01:23:04,319 --> 01:23:04,680
of the area.

1602
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,119
Speaker 1: Keep it authentic, keep it genuine.

1603
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: And you know, Castle's family got asked and now here

1604
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,439
she is trying to put Castle away like it's just

1605
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,479
you can see, Okay, she definitely made some significant faults,

1606
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,920
but this is how things went, so that's unfortunate. But

1607
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,840
uh yeah, it's it paints the picture that he has

1608
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,039
done it. But I think at this point I want

1609
01:23:26,079 --> 01:23:29,119
to say that it's Clancy Brown that's kind of pulling

1610
01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:31,600
the string here now and trying or was it. I

1611
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,560
don't think it was fists because Fisk wanted him out

1612
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,119
to eliminate his opponents out in the outside right now.

1613
01:23:37,079 --> 01:23:40,800
But I painted this as being Clancy Brown's character that

1614
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,199
was just kind of like leading the charge and trying

1615
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,760
to like get him into more hot water. That's why

1616
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:51,479
later on we know that Frank Castle it. Well, Frank

1617
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,199
Castle admits with Karen Page. I think in the next

1618
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:56,760
episode like like hey, I'm innocent, and then these guys

1619
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,680
kind of like tail in and into the diner and

1620
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,800
go after him and so yeah, but we'll get to that.

1621
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:05,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I thought it was a good setup.

1622
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:10,800
It's funny. His character almost reminds me of Gerard Butler

1623
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,239
from Law Abiding Citizen, where he's just like he just

1624
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,760
he's going against like the people that are running the

1625
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,000
show here. So I very much thought it was Frank

1626
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:22,479
actually killing the DA and that's where I'm like Wow,

1627
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,880
they're really painting him as a villain like in this show,

1628
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,079
not just as an anti hero. So I and I

1629
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,399
like the scene. I like how the DA agent is

1630
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:36,479
like a totally different what's the word I'm looking for,

1631
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,760
which is a total different Uh yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly,

1632
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,479
Like it's not just we're getting this guy out and

1633
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,560
I'm gonna be the mayor. It's like, oh no, I'm

1634
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,000
scared for my family's life and everything. She's wearing the sweatpants.

1635
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,039
She's very different set up. Nobody wants to die in

1636
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:58,159
a sweatsuit, but she certainly did. So Yeah, I thought

1637
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:01,279
it was good. I really again, I totally thought it

1638
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,199
was Frank so to get into next week's episode. When

1639
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:09,560
next week's episode, next episode, when Frank saves Karen, and

1640
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,680
it's like, okay, no, this is very much not him

1641
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,760
because he's not the one pulling the trigger here. So

1642
01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:17,199
I'd like the whole mystery aspect to it. I like

1643
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:20,640
how even though he is out of prison, I guess

1644
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,760
I'm gonna have myself the next episode. But I like

1645
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,479
how even though he is out of prison, he's not

1646
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,720
just like, yeah, I'm gonna murder everyone now, like it's

1647
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,119
still he still is. He's still the guy that we

1648
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:35,199
saw when he was handcuffed on the hospital bed, like

1649
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:37,439
talking to Karen and like there is more to the story.

1650
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,079
It's not like he's been through all this fist try

1651
01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:41,720
to kill him. He's still so mad that he wants

1652
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,640
to just murder everyone, Like there is still some of

1653
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,720
he wants to get his side of it out, and

1654
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,439
he feels like Karen is the one that can really

1655
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,920
get to it. So I really really liked I think

1656
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,960
just his mindset after being set free from prison, just

1657
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:56,720
because it's different than what I would expected. I would

1658
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,439
have expected him to go in there, guns of blazing

1659
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,359
and murdering everyone I would have expected, and him to

1660
01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:02,239
be the one that killed the DA Like it's totally

1661
01:26:03,079 --> 01:26:05,520
you know, murders never justified, But in that moment, I'm like,

1662
01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:08,399
I feel like his actions are kind of justified here,

1663
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,520
like like he's actually going over the corrupt, going after

1664
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,520
the corrupt, corrupt people, even though he might have, you know,

1665
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,840
caught Foggy in astray. If Foggy takes a bullet here

1666
01:26:19,079 --> 01:26:21,720
like a champ, you know, doesn't let it slow him down.

1667
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,720
But I don't know it's kind of spewing a lot

1668
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,239
of stuff out there. What else happens? We also get

1669
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:32,880
Daredevil and Claire interacting on the roof a little bit

1670
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,680
more of a dynamic there. I don't really remember what

1671
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:35,640
they talked about, but.

1672
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 2: Because he's he just knows he has to stick out

1673
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,199
the hospital and protect these guys, the zombie bodies.

1674
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,279
Speaker 1: All right, Oh, this is actually the episode where Daredevil

1675
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,479
saves Karen. It's like right at the end, yeah.

1676
01:26:49,359 --> 01:26:52,039
Speaker 2: Because is Karen's co worker get killed here in the

1677
01:26:52,119 --> 01:26:53,720
end of this or is at the start of the next.

1678
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,319
Speaker 1: One our co worker with co worker.

1679
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: Remember there's the one coworker who's like in there with

1680
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,479
with Karen when the hand and so with Leclaire and

1681
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,199
uh oh yes, tacks and they just like clean cut

1682
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:08,960
her down. It's like, holy shit, Okay.

1683
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah that happens next episode. I believe, Yeah, because because

1684
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,039
at the end they like show the zombies like waking up,

1685
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,279
and then that's like the setup in the next week's episode.

1686
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,920
I keep saying that, like, it's not a binge model,

1687
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,199
even though this is it's not an old show. But yeah,

1688
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:28,680
and then we have Electra.

1689
01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:33,359
Speaker 2: Se I think it might be a flashback, but she's

1690
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,239
got a hit on her now, right because Stick is like,

1691
01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:37,600
oh your weak sauce, like, I'm going to take you down.

1692
01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:43,239
Speaker 1: That's right, that's one hundred percent right. Uh. I don't

1693
01:27:43,239 --> 01:27:45,319
think this episode. Oh yeah, this episode is where she

1694
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:47,640
she kicks ass. I'm so lost. This is like the

1695
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,199
era of the show when I feel like I was

1696
01:27:49,279 --> 01:27:51,199
just watching like all these episodes back to back, so

1697
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:58,479
they're all mixed in my mind. Yeah, okay, let's let's

1698
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,640
let's go on. Let's go on the next episo. So, uh,

1699
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,239
unless you want something else to say, Taylor, No, okay.

1700
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:12,039
Episode eleven three point three eight zero. Oh, I guess

1701
01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:16,199
it's the caliber of a bullet. Karen starts working with

1702
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:18,840
Frank to bring the mysterious Blacksmith down. Claire quits her

1703
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:23,039
job at the hospital's administration are trying to keep her silent.

1704
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:30,119
Matt visits Madame Goo to get information on Blacksmith. Cool cool, cool, Yeah,

1705
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:34,239
this is uh. It sets up with the zombies, the

1706
01:28:34,279 --> 01:28:38,239
blood zombies just popping off in the hospital here. I

1707
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:40,840
was really surprised that we even had like zombies in here.

1708
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,600
This is again getting into like a little bit more

1709
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:47,800
of a fantasy realm or like mythological threat, and I

1710
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,800
just wasn't loving it too much. I don't know what

1711
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,279
about you.

1712
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't super on board with it. Like, and

1713
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,520
when we say zombies, like, we're not We're not saying

1714
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,039
like they're just walking around like biting people making they

1715
01:28:59,079 --> 01:29:01,600
were just like brain dead zombies, just but they were

1716
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,000
murderous because they killed one of the hospital's staff that

1717
01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:06,279
looked like and then Claire walks in is like, Okay,

1718
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,600
this isn't good and like backs off from them, and

1719
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,800
they all just kind of chill because there is like

1720
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,239
they're in like a standby mode, waiting for the hand

1721
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:17,159
to grab them and take them away. So that's what happens.

1722
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:22,279
The hand comes, Claire's coworker gets bopped, and Daredevil's there

1723
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:25,640
fighting and trying to take them down, and after everything,

1724
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,640
Claire gets to keep her job before quitting. She quits

1725
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,720
ultimately at the end, but they were pissed off because

1726
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:36,159
she filed these people in without filing them, didn't process

1727
01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:38,279
them into the system, which is a big no no.

1728
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,800
But the hospitals then just sweeping it all under the

1729
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,560
rug because we have staff members that died and they see, Okay,

1730
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,880
the guys that were killed had autopsy marks on them

1731
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,760
from like dying before and being cut open, and the

1732
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,640
hospital's like, yeah, we're just gonna sweep this all under

1733
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,760
the rug. And it justs to show how corrupt that

1734
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,600
all really really is. And I think that's you know,

1735
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,520
Claire's someone that maybe believed in Daredevil at the start,

1736
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,079
but then drifted away from him because she didn't believe

1737
01:30:05,119 --> 01:30:08,800
in this sort of justice and how brutal he was.

1738
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,359
And so now she's like, you know what, I'm just

1739
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,119
going to go into what I do and help people.

1740
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:13,880
We can find other ways to do this. But then

1741
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,640
she's seeing, hey, the system is corrupt, and I think

1742
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,319
after quitting, she's going to be leaning more into the realm, like, yeah,

1743
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:21,399
well we do need a Daredevil because these people aren't

1744
01:30:21,399 --> 01:30:23,479
going to do anything about this. They're just taking a

1745
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,319
check and moving on. That's it. So I like that

1746
01:30:27,399 --> 01:30:29,000
dynamic a lot, and I like getting a little bit

1747
01:30:29,039 --> 01:30:32,439
more of Claire kind of flushing out this corruption. And

1748
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,199
I liked how the story is really diving more into Okay,

1749
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:39,239
we got to find the blacksmith and paging castle, so

1750
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:42,079
it's the blacksmiths men that are confronting him here, and

1751
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,880
Castle really does a good job at tracking him down,

1752
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:49,119
and then you have I guess Madame Goo was the

1753
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:53,159
one who gave Daredevil the details on where to find Blacksmith,

1754
01:30:53,159 --> 01:30:54,960
and she hasn't be seen for a while, so she

1755
01:30:55,039 --> 01:30:58,399
just pops up here and she's in her underground bunker,

1756
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,039
just sipping tea and just doing her own thing. I

1757
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:04,760
don't get like I think they're trying to make it

1758
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,279
out like she's very threatening and very intimidating and she

1759
01:31:07,279 --> 01:31:10,000
has a lot of power, but she's just when I

1760
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:12,119
see her on screen, I don't feel like this is

1761
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,520
a big, badass villain.

1762
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:15,199
Speaker 1: And not because she.

1763
01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:18,199
Speaker 2: Just looks like a very sweet old lady. It's just

1764
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:21,239
she's just she doesn't strike me as just like the

1765
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,600
like why would the people of this organization be like

1766
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,479
listening to her and like respecting her. I just I

1767
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,720
don't feel like I've seen that set up for her

1768
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,439
character yet to be that that kind of villain. So

1769
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,159
when we see her here all of a sudden season

1770
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:33,920
two and haven't seen her yet and she just has

1771
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,680
this dominating essence to her, I don't feel it. I

1772
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,439
don't feel like that essence is there even though they're

1773
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,439
trying to instigate it into it.

1774
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,279
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the point though, right supposed to

1775
01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:48,000
be like subvert your expect not expectations you're suspicions of,

1776
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:52,720
Like she'd be the last that is the person I

1777
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,199
would expect, you know, to be in this situation. You

1778
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:58,439
don't always see her flexing her power like you see

1779
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,000
you know, like season you see Wilson fist just chop

1780
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,159
a guy heads off with the with the car door,

1781
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:06,920
Like you never see Lady Gou do that, even though

1782
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,800
I'm sure she's capable of some evil herself. I liked

1783
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:16,079
when Daredevil like approaches her and like her backups coming,

1784
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:18,640
like tell tell him to back off or I'll break

1785
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,800
their legs. And she's like, okay, yeah, I believe that

1786
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,479
you'll do that, so please don't kill all my men.

1787
01:32:26,079 --> 01:32:31,159
But uh yeah no, I I kind of lost my

1788
01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:36,560
train thought there was gonna go Lady Goo. We have

1789
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,479
some more, yeah, a lot more Punisher and Karen in

1790
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,800
this episode, which I always love. They're they're really great together.

1791
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,880
I liked at the end how again, like Daredevil just

1792
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,439
just is always always interrupting the Punisher from like just

1793
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,279
doing what he wants to do, and he's just at

1794
01:32:57,279 --> 01:32:59,680
this point, he's just getting so frustrated and like annoyed

1795
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,439
that like he's even there. It's just like, oh man,

1796
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:03,720
I have to deal with this guy. It's like, are

1797
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,600
you fucking kidding me? Like back off Red, Like I like,

1798
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:08,279
just let me fucking do my own thing, let me

1799
01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,680
murder these people, Like I'm so just angry and upset.

1800
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:14,760
But he's just this angel well I guess he's an

1801
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,159
angel and devil's clothing that just keeps appearing and tells

1802
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,800
him not to murder these people. These are other people

1803
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,319
that you want to get uh And honestly, at this point,

1804
01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:24,439
like he doesn't even care, like just let me murder someone,

1805
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,319
like I'm just so pissed off and angry, and then

1806
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:31,159
he starts fighting back to Daredevil. There big ship explosion

1807
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:37,000
happens on in this episode. Yeah, no, I thought it

1808
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:39,159
was I thought it was Juicy I I I think

1809
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:44,720
there is some good dynamic between I believe. This episode

1810
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:49,720
starts with uh Claire not Claire, sorry, Karen and uh

1811
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:54,119
Matt having like some just heated discussion how she's been

1812
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:57,479
pretty pissed off at him rightfully, so as well, and

1813
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,960
then she just progresses to go on with Frank Castle

1814
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,359
and work with him investigating a little bit more. So

1815
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,439
I think overall it was really solid. I think I

1816
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,520
like the Claire things the least, but it was still

1817
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:14,039
kind of a spicy sequence where you're just showcasing how

1818
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:16,199
much corruption there is. It's not just with the people

1819
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:18,520
running the show, whether it's the DA or the mayor, Like,

1820
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,439
even the healthcare system is fucked up and corrupt. So yeah,

1821
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,159
I'm curious what's gonna happen now with Claire because she's

1822
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,359
kinda every time we see her, she's just like working

1823
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,239
at the hospital. But does this allow her to just,

1824
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,479
I don't know, do more of a thing where she's

1825
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,439
working a lot more with the rest of the crew

1826
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:41,359
and everything moving forward, I'm not too sure. I guess

1827
01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:44,159
the other thing too that happens here is Electra. He's

1828
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:48,119
trying to murder Stick now, right, She's pissed off at him.

1829
01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:50,920
I believe that's how the episode ends. She's staring down

1830
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:58,960
mister Stick. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Cool. I have anything

1831
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,239
else to say on that, So I'm gonna keep on going.

1832
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,720
Episode twelve, the penultimate episode, The Dark at the end

1833
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,119
of the tunnel, Daredevil goes underground save an old friend.

1834
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,279
Karen follows a dangerous lead. The law firm of Nelson

1835
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:17,840
and Murdoch may have reached its final chapter. Done done, dum.

1836
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 2: So.

1837
01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:21,199
Speaker 1: This episode actually was where we get the Electra flashbacks

1838
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,239
where you have Stick kind of raising her and teaching

1839
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:27,560
her everything that she knows. She's a certified badass even

1840
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,439
as a kid. Right, she like fucks up that one

1841
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:34,000
guy and then the guy. Like I thought it was

1842
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:36,359
so funny because it's as if you're like a school bully,

1843
01:35:36,399 --> 01:35:38,279
like you embarrassed me out there, but it's just like

1844
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,600
adult like going up to this like little like ten

1845
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,079
year old girl and like she just like fucks them up.

1846
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,439
I don't know, I found it kind of funny. Just oh,

1847
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,159
you embarrass me out there. Now I'm gonna teach you

1848
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:52,840
a lesson. It's just such a corny thing. I just

1849
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,239
always think of Flash Thompson. You know, we'll want to

1850
01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:57,640
fight me either, like that that type of set up there.

1851
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,960
But yeah, I know, we just get some electri five.

1852
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,960
Here is this everything that you wanted? Taylor? Yeah, I

1853
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,399
mean it's this is what it is.

1854
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,319
Speaker 2: I agree. It was pretty corny, like they're in some

1855
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:10,399
secret underground war and their training and he gets embarrassed,

1856
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,680
I mean, just get better, like going like think you're

1857
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,000
gonna kick you You're gonna kick her ass without supervision.

1858
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:19,079
No'll kick your ass again, which she does. So I

1859
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:21,800
don't know what his his goal was in this position,

1860
01:36:22,039 --> 01:36:25,239
but it ultimately leads to his master star that guy

1861
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:27,159
getting killed by stick because that guy's like, you know,

1862
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:30,359
we need to execute or like she's the bad guy

1863
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,920
and we know at this point, okay, she has she's

1864
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,199
the Black Skuy, right.

1865
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't think it's revealed here. I think

1866
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,920
it's it comes out maybe at the end of this episode.

1867
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we go through

1868
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,680
a little bit more here because we have Nobu who's back,

1869
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:49,640
and Noboo's stirring the pot and fighting.

1870
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 1: I forgot to say that last episode as well. I

1871
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:53,920
think I think it was the last episode of the

1872
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:57,640
episode before that is where they reveal like basically the

1873
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,199
back to tank, right, like the resurrection chamber that we

1874
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:01,880
don't even know what it is at this point. I

1875
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,680
was kind of intrigued by the inclusion of it because

1876
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,000
I don't know if I didn't know if a monster

1877
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:07,600
was going to come out of it or whatnot, but

1878
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,880
it was. It was a cool setup at least because

1879
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,439
they believe they have all like the blood connected to

1880
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:18,039
that thing. Initially, yes, yes, yeah, so that's how Nobu's

1881
01:37:18,319 --> 01:37:21,399
come back, and he's just crazier than ever.

1882
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 2: It seems like he's been back a few times by

1883
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:29,239
the sounds of it. But yeah, so they, like Electra

1884
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:31,760
and Durnabile, they find Stick in this episode and they

1885
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:33,840
managed to not kill him. And this is where Stick

1886
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:37,239
gives them like the advice like listen to the breathing and.

1887
01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:40,079
Speaker 1: What else do you got here?

1888
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 2: You have the article that Karen is working on because

1889
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,439
they think after the ship explosion that Frank is dead

1890
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,920
and like you were alluding to, you have a dangerous

1891
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,479
encounter with Karen. And so Karen is getting set up

1892
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,439
with Clancy Brown, and I.

1893
01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:57,319
Speaker 1: Thought like she she was gonna leave, everything was going

1894
01:37:57,399 --> 01:37:57,760
to be fine.

1895
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 2: And so when Clancy Brown all of a sudden makes

1896
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:03,239
this like dangerous bold move, I was like, oh shit, okay,

1897
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,840
oh this isn't good. Got on his wrong foot and

1898
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,760
like he just has that demeanor to him where it's like, man,

1899
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,359
you don't want to be on this man's a bad side.

1900
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Like, oh, no, you've seen Dexter new Blood and we

1901
01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:14,399
know what this guy is capable of.

1902
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, but I I you know, this is

1903
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,760
where we learned that he's a blacksmith and things kind

1904
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,399
of turned sideways here and he's just talking shittily about

1905
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:29,439
about Frank Castle. Yeah, so it turns sideways really really fast.

1906
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely, I honestly kind of forgot about that

1907
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:39,640
sequence when he pulls the gun on her. Yeah, so

1908
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:44,279
I completely agree with everything you said. There some good

1909
01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:48,680
se sequence between Electra and Matt. This is where she's

1910
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,760
saying like, I'm gonna kill Stick and he's like, I'm

1911
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,439
gonna save Stick. It's like, well, you get in my way,

1912
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,039
I'm gonna kill you too, and they just fall on

1913
01:38:54,119 --> 01:38:58,439
get mac in. Just some good tension there. It's only that,

1914
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,760
like when she was introduced, assumed we were going to

1915
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,239
get to this point where they are finally at you know,

1916
01:39:04,319 --> 01:39:08,039
button heads with each other, and but this is where

1917
01:39:08,039 --> 01:39:11,399
it really gets set up. As you already said, this

1918
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,520
is where they kind of reveal that she's the Black

1919
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:19,880
Sky and I don't know, I I feel like her

1920
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:26,560
switch to Nobus side. I feel like I feel like

1921
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,159
it wasn't like rushed or anything like. I feel like

1922
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:31,279
it made sense, But when it happened, I was still

1923
01:39:31,319 --> 01:39:33,760
just like, really like, that's what we're gonna do here.

1924
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,239
So I'm a little bit torn on just the whole

1925
01:39:37,079 --> 01:39:38,880
twist there, I guess. And then of course that's going

1926
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,800
to tie in to how the season ended with a

1927
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,680
little reveal there, But I don't know. Just initially I

1928
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,680
was a little bit it seemed easy for her to

1929
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,279
just go over to the to the Nobu side and

1930
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,319
join the hand there. But even though like it makes sense,

1931
01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:56,960
I guess to have it in that situation because she's

1932
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,960
been a murderer this whole time, Like she she's no

1933
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,479
issues killing people. She seems very extreme, and then when

1934
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:07,439
they just set her up on being this like ultimate thing. Yeah,

1935
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,359
I don't know. I was just a little bit fifty

1936
01:40:09,399 --> 01:40:11,920
to fifty on it. Obviously we'll see what happens next

1937
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,199
season with everything that's continuing on from this episode or yeah,

1938
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:18,000
not just this episode but the season overall. But I

1939
01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:19,960
was a little little fifty to fifty on the reveal.

1940
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:26,520
I think m Well said, we have Frank and Karen.

1941
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,600
At the end, Frank's going to his little shack of goodies.

1942
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,920
There just some good dialogue with the two of them.

1943
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: That's after he killed uh the blacksmith, right, Yeah, Clancy

1944
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,600
Brown out of the car accident. Yeah, a little shack

1945
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,399
with all the gizmos, paints his best.

1946
01:40:47,039 --> 01:40:52,199
Speaker 1: Uh. I just love Clancy Brown. He's fantastic. I don't

1947
01:40:52,199 --> 01:40:54,279
think I have anything really else to highlight, Like I

1948
01:40:54,359 --> 01:40:57,600
might have missed some some Karen and Uh. I don't

1949
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,279
even know the guy's name, but the guy from the

1950
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:03,279
I want to say the bugle, but that's definitely not

1951
01:41:03,319 --> 01:41:08,079
what it is. The bulletin, that's what it is. They

1952
01:41:08,119 --> 01:41:12,960
had some good stuff together, Foggy and Matt sayingbye. Yeah,

1953
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:16,680
that's kind of wow. Here we are the end of

1954
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:23,960
all things. The finale episode, of course, I fucking closed this.

1955
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,119
I closed it. You just say it.

1956
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Cold Day and Hell's Kitchen.

1957
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,279
Speaker 1: Yes. In the season finale, a boxed in Fisk and

1958
01:41:33,359 --> 01:41:36,239
a desperate Murdock. Foggy and Karen are forced to play

1959
01:41:36,279 --> 01:41:40,319
their end games. Very generic finale ending. I feel like

1960
01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:43,800
you can kind of say that about any season ending,

1961
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:48,800
But anyways, I thought it was pretty spicy finale. I

1962
01:41:49,319 --> 01:41:53,960
kind of already alluded to the like the cliffhanger. I

1963
01:41:54,039 --> 01:41:57,319
didn't really think she was gonna die up until the

1964
01:41:57,319 --> 01:42:01,159
point where she's actually dying. And by her, I mean Electra.

1965
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,720
I just felt like she's a solid character that would

1966
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:05,680
have been moving on to the next season. So when

1967
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,880
she was actually you know, like bleeding out and everything,

1968
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,560
I was pretty shocked. I thought it was a pretty

1969
01:42:12,039 --> 01:42:15,199
significant death. But then at the end when they have

1970
01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:17,399
her and like the again like the back to tank thing,

1971
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:19,560
I'm just like, Okay, yeah, this makes sense and this

1972
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,439
is this is a spicy reveal. Sorry to just start

1973
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:23,960
the end, but I just thought it was a really

1974
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,279
cool way to end this season and get a set

1975
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:28,359
up for next season. And again, like as soon as

1976
01:42:28,399 --> 01:42:29,840
it ended, I'm like, man, I just want to start

1977
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,640
the next episode, Like, let's go. I already uh you

1978
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,119
know minor spoiler saw episode one is called Resurrection, So

1979
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:37,479
I'm like, yeah, this is they're they're going for it here.

1980
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,840
But what do you think of this finale, Taylor?

1981
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it. It was it was a good conclusion, uh, Leah,

1982
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,039
And like you said, studying at the end here with

1983
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:50,039
her death, I really thought she was a gone, gone goner.

1984
01:42:50,319 --> 01:42:52,199
But then I thought, in the back of my head, like, okay, well,

1985
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,640
even in like the original Daredevil movie, like she does

1986
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,239
get resurrected, so she does come back, and I thought,

1987
01:42:57,279 --> 01:42:59,079
we'll probably gonna see in some shape or form that

1988
01:42:59,119 --> 01:42:59,880
happen here.

1989
01:43:00,079 --> 01:43:01,039
Speaker 1: Like the ben Affleck one.

1990
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, she dies, she dies in that one, but I

1991
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:08,520
remember that movie. She comes back for her own movie, right,

1992
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,920
So she has and I think she faces the hand

1993
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:16,640
in that sequel actually, so yeah, she definitely has her own,

1994
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:21,760
uh resurrection kind of story attributed to her. Uh So, yeah,

1995
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,680
I wasn't sure if we're gonna when we're gonna get that.

1996
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,960
But then obviously in this extra the scene we got

1997
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,319
where they're kind of throwing her body in the ancient device,

1998
01:43:28,359 --> 01:43:30,640
that okay, yeah, they're they're doing it. They want their

1999
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,159
their black sky. This is important for them, So there's that.

2000
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,000
But also in this this ending here we get Daredevil

2001
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:41,680
revealing to Karen like, hey, I'm Matt Murdoch, which I

2002
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,760
really liked, and that was the hook because I thought, man,

2003
01:43:44,039 --> 01:43:45,800
I gotta hit I gotta play this next episode. But

2004
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,800
I thought, nope, I'm not going to do it. I

2005
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,359
need to wait, we need to review this first before

2006
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,119
and that was the hook. I really wanted to see

2007
01:43:53,159 --> 01:43:54,520
what fall out of that was going to be.

2008
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,119
Speaker 1: And it's it feels like it's a good pace to

2009
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,720
have it, right, Like season one we get Fallow find out,

2010
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:02,560
and then season two at the end we have Karen

2011
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:11,159
find out. Three Fisk will find out probably well maybe Taylor. Yeah, no,

2012
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:14,159
I I thought it was a really fun way to end.

2013
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:18,119
How you have, like the it's kind of like an

2014
01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:21,199
end credit, honestly, like the Electra thing. I know it's

2015
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:22,760
not an actual end credit, but that's how it feels

2016
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:26,880
at least. And then the Karen thing. I like that

2017
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,199
the like they're sticking together. I think it was at

2018
01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:33,159
some point in this episode. You have you have freaking

2019
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:38,560
uh what's her name? She was in accolade, we have Trinity.

2020
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:44,319
What's that actress's name? She was offering Foggy a job, right,

2021
01:44:46,079 --> 01:44:49,920
carry Am Moss, that's her name. Yeah, I was surprised

2022
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:51,960
to see her in here. I think she's fantastic and

2023
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:58,239
everything I've seen her in. Yeah, we have I can't

2024
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,600
remember his name, but the guy that makes the suits

2025
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,800
and everything for Daredevil, he gives him his uh.

2026
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy from Avatar.

2027
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he is an avatar. That's so funny.

2028
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,279
He's like the marine guy is the marine guy?

2029
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, both avatars comes back as one of the nave

2030
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:17,439
in the sequel.

2031
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 1: Is he the one that like wakes up the colonel

2032
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,199
and then he just gets punched in the face like

2033
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:26,159
Colonel Boom, just fucking deck some I've seen that in

2034
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:28,640
so many memes now of just like when my significant

2035
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:33,399
other wakes me up from my nap. It's just like, anyways, Uh,

2036
01:45:33,399 --> 01:45:36,199
that's funny. I did not remember him from Avatar, but

2037
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:39,960
now that's all I see. Yeah. No, I I think

2038
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:41,880
this was a really good finale, Like it wrapped up

2039
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,199
kind of everything. I think there's some really good moments

2040
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:47,840
between Elektra and Daredevil, like before like the finale where

2041
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,319
they're just kind of kind of having a heart to

2042
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:53,079
heart and like it seems like they're the closest they've

2043
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:57,079
been like throughout the whole season. But it also realizes that,

2044
01:45:57,319 --> 01:45:59,399
like it's not like they're just gonna have like a

2045
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,600
nice happy ending where they just sail off in the sunset.

2046
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,079
They kind of talk about stuff like that. But I

2047
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:04,840
thought it was a good moment leading into the big

2048
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,359
finale clash with the just Ninja guidance scene where you

2049
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:10,279
have no bou come in. Of course that's what leads

2050
01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:14,079
to poor Electra standing off in the sunset. You got

2051
01:46:14,119 --> 01:46:16,840
the Punisher wearing all the gear and everything. Like, I thought,

2052
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:21,159
it was a really solid finale for although maybe there

2053
01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:23,840
are certain moments throughout this season I wasn't the highest on.

2054
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,960
I think this was a really good way to end it.

2055
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:29,520
And yeah, it made me wanting more. I mean, we

2056
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:36,880
have Karen writing her little memoirs article thing, and yeah,

2057
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:38,359
we already kind of talked about the ending. I thought

2058
01:46:38,359 --> 01:46:41,800
it was really solid. I can't remember the Punisher just

2059
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,239
like fucks off, right, he just wanders off in the sunset.

2060
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 2: He just goes off to his season, his show. Now.

2061
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:50,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be in the other area of Netflix.

2062
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

2063
01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: We have Stick and Daredevil kind of saying goodbye to

2064
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:59,239
Electra at the grave site there. Stick's probably gonna appear

2065
01:46:59,239 --> 01:46:59,880
in season three.

2066
01:47:00,039 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't oh, he's he's a consistently occurring car.

2067
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,279
Speaker 1: I don't love him, but I guess I'll just accept

2068
01:47:06,319 --> 01:47:10,880
my fade here. And I can't remember what what's the

2069
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,159
dynamic between Matt and Karen. Are they like gonna try

2070
01:47:14,199 --> 01:47:15,920
their romance still or is it like it didn't really

2071
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,159
work out so well?

2072
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: It didn't work out, but I think, I mean, she

2073
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:21,239
didn't know the whole truth, and so now that he's

2074
01:47:21,279 --> 01:47:25,640
revealed like, hey, I'm daredevil, I mean, I.

2075
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,159
Speaker 1: Feel that's why I want to start episode one right

2076
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,880
after this. Actually, I feel like she's gonna be.

2077
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,119
Speaker 2: I think she'll be mad, but I think she's gonna

2078
01:47:33,159 --> 01:47:35,239
just like jump on him because I think she definitely

2079
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:38,640
was crashed on Parnevil. Oh, so I think she'll be

2080
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,119
a lot closer to She'll be a lot closer to

2081
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:46,239
Matt over the Foggy was apprehensive and didn't like it,

2082
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,359
and I think she's gonna be the opposite. She's gonna

2083
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:50,319
be more closer to Matt about that, And I think

2084
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,840
it's gonna maybe drive more of a wedge with Foggy

2085
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,479
and his relationship, because Foggy is like, you know, you're

2086
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,000
gonna get Karen hurt, like he's gonna be probably, or

2087
01:47:58,039 --> 01:47:59,840
it might go the other way. Maybe Foggy would be happy,

2088
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:01,800
like thank you for telling care and now we all know,

2089
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:03,560
and now we can all be like the Three Amigos

2090
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:07,640
again kind of a thing, So.

2091
01:48:06,319 --> 01:48:09,119
Speaker 1: That probably is going to be the outcome. Yeah, it

2092
01:48:09,159 --> 01:48:11,920
seems like she's the one that was almost defending Daredevil's

2093
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,600
actions a lot of the time. I mean, yeah, in

2094
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,479
this season, she's defending Punisher's actions. And then that's when,

2095
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:22,079
right Matt. I think Matt actually like sends her home

2096
01:48:22,119 --> 01:48:25,479
because he starts getting all religious right with him being

2097
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,239
like a Catholic and like super against murder, and she's

2098
01:48:28,279 --> 01:48:30,600
kind of saying it's not all bad, and he's just

2099
01:48:31,239 --> 01:48:35,920
to him it's it's it's the worst thing in the world, which,

2100
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,840
like I I guess it's to his beliefs. I feel

2101
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,960
like Matt does a lot of morally questionable things though

2102
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,520
that like like he just seems a little bit hypocritical

2103
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,680
in certain aspects, but as part of as it's part

2104
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,479
of his religious takes, so who knows. But yeah, no,

2105
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,159
I don't really have like much else to say, Like,

2106
01:48:55,239 --> 01:49:00,600
it's it's a pretty pretty like what you'd expect finale,

2107
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,279
like big clash and then just some little setups for

2108
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:05,279
next week. But I overall, I thought it was just

2109
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:10,399
a really good way to end the season and Yeah, No,

2110
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:11,279
I thought it was good.

2111
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was good.

2112
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's at this point.

2113
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,399
Speaker 2: This happened a couple episodes ago, but he's got his

2114
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,520
new suit repaired and he got his new upraated weapon

2115
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,560
from the Elliot Taylor guy, which very very cool. So

2116
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,119
he's all he's at like one hundred percent customization. Now

2117
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:27,399
he's got all his he's got all the unlocks, he's

2118
01:49:27,399 --> 01:49:29,520
got all the unlocked Yeah, so it's it was a

2119
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,960
good It was a good finale. I really liked it,

2120
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,479
and like I already said, it just it set me

2121
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,880
up for really wanting to see the what happens next,

2122
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:40,600
So I'm excited to get into season three.

2123
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Totally cool. That's it. That's season two baby. One more

2124
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,920
episode to do you, Taylor, and then we're ont Daredevil

2125
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,119
Born Again. One more episode. How's it feel?

2126
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,319
Speaker 2: It feels good. I mean, then we got to do

2127
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,479
like seasons one two Punisher, and then.

2128
01:49:58,399 --> 01:50:02,159
Speaker 1: We got to do uh oh god, I didn't realize

2129
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:03,119
we committed to that, Taylor.

2130
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 2: I think I like, just for my own benefit, I'll

2131
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:09,239
probably just sneak through Defenders just to see what happens

2132
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:12,560
with Oh yeah, Charlie. Cox's character, and then maybe I'll

2133
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:15,640
revisit like some of the Sheahawks stuff with Daredevil and

2134
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,319
watch that one episode of Echo, actually just the five

2135
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:20,920
minutes of Echo that have him.

2136
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,199
Speaker 1: I do think I am going to watch Punisher just

2137
01:50:23,239 --> 01:50:27,239
because I'm really digging that, and I did watch some

2138
01:50:27,319 --> 01:50:30,880
of it like the first time around. But yeah, anyways, Yeah,

2139
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,079
there is there a certain rating you'd give this season.

2140
01:50:34,039 --> 01:50:36,279
I feel like I'm pretty on power with season one. Honestly,

2141
01:50:36,319 --> 01:50:38,640
I can't exactly remember what I gave that season one.

2142
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,760
I think it was just like a perfect ten. I

2143
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,840
think there's some minor nitpicks, but overall, like it is

2144
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:48,039
pretty same quality. I think as we entered the review,

2145
01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:50,359
I assumed I was gonna put this one lesser, but

2146
01:50:50,399 --> 01:50:52,000
I mean, as we're going through it, there's some some

2147
01:50:52,079 --> 01:50:55,560
good juicies things that I think. Although I still maybe

2148
01:50:56,039 --> 01:50:59,239
picked season one over season two, like very very slightly,

2149
01:50:59,279 --> 01:51:01,960
it's still really good, really good quality. All the acting

2150
01:51:02,039 --> 01:51:05,520
performances is really phenomenal, and uh yeah, so i'd put

2151
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:06,840
it the same as season one.

2152
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 2: I can't remember what I gave season one, but I

2153
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,560
would I'd probably agree I would give season one the

2154
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,640
edge over this one, but I still really like this.

2155
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,399
There's just a lot of storylines and it does get

2156
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:20,720
a little bit convoluted, and that's probably my only con

2157
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:24,199
I really have. I would still probably say this is

2158
01:51:24,279 --> 01:51:26,479
up around like an eight out of ten. Whatever I

2159
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,560
wish would have went back, but whatever I put for

2160
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:29,920
that first season. If I did go a ten out

2161
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,920
of ten, then that's great, but I would I would

2162
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,800
just say whatever that first season is, this would be

2163
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,520
one point below that in terms of rating, just because

2164
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,800
I prefer that first season over the second one. But again,

2165
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,000
I really enjoyed it.

2166
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 1: Nice, cool, that's it. That's all. Everyone. Tune in next

2167
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:49,920
time for episode three, well season three, but the Daredevil retro.

2168
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,159
Bye bye, bye bye