Speaker 1: Then ken, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, it's not a Dune
centered episode. We got another Daredevil episode review or not
episode review, Season two retrospective. I'm one of your hosts.
I have no name. I am the blind one, Kerkicle Patzer.
Speaker 2: I am the Frank taylor Field, taylor.
Speaker 1: Field Ill I get straight to it. Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
we have a much anticipated second I see. I want
to say second episode because it's our second episode on
this Daredevil retrospective series. So episode two of the season
two Daredevil Retrospective. There you go that that that works
out there, But yeah, I mean, before we get into it,
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I've said it Randell and then I've also said it Randall.
How do you say it? Do you say Randell?
Speaker 2: I say Randell because I like the ring of that
as I you know, finished and close off, and.
Speaker 1: That's what it's spelt as well, right, unless someone misspelled
it on our page here, I'll have the confirm that's
always Charlie later on. Let us know Charlie if you're
listening to this episode, but uh, yeah, no, anyways, let's
just get into it. Here we are back in Hell's kitchen. Uh.
Season one super positive from the from both of us.
Here we are. Season two introduced a bunch of new
characters and some new threats, and yeah, what did you
think here, mister Field? Uh? You know, for sixty six
percent of the way through Daredevil. Now we're we're making it.
We're getting close to Nary Devil, born and born again.
Are you losing all your interest because of the season?
Are you just done? Do you not even want to
do the next season episode?
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna call it because it is just.
Speaker 1: This's never happened in the history of retros. It's like,
you know, guys, yeah, I'm gonna so.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this season. It got bigger, better, It
expanded so much more.
Speaker 1: And I know that.
Speaker 2: There's there's a little bit of talk about why this
might not be everyone's, well, everyone's necessarily favorite. I think
there's I think that there might be a little bit
of debate between like season two and season three, over
which one has favored over the other. Okay, but I'm
no expert I just hear things. I think that this
this show, this season in particular, focuses on one character,
maybe a little bit more than it focuses on Daredevil.
But I don't necessarily see that as a con because
I think, Okay, these these storylines really intertwined quite well,
and it gives a lot more development for Matt Murdoch's character.
So I think that this was a really really good season,
and it was a huge amp up from the first one.
I really really liked it, and it was cool to
see a little bit more of just Murdock's backstory and
where we got to where he is now. And yeah,
it just it had a lot of a lot of
really cool like payoffs, and I'm just really really happy
with where we're going with this story, and I'm really
happy knowing that, Okay, this is this is our Daredevil
and really got to really saying really a lot, really
connect with them in this a little bit more than
the previous season. So I also thought it was interesting
because that's a spoiler, I shouldn't say that. There's just
there's a very cool few character moments with each other
when they have certain dialogue engagements, and I really do
enjoy it and again I really like Foggy and I've
avoided seeing the new Daredevil trailer for Born Again because
I did not want to see any kind of anything
that with season three might spoil or whatnot. Because you
watched the trailer and you said that it does maybe
reveal some things for season three that week were Born Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very minor. I guess I won't even tell
you since you haven't left.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't don't. I'll take what you said. That's perfect.
Speaker 1: It's very minor, like it's nothing game changing, but it
is something that hasn't happened yet in the events of
the show. So yeah, I'll leave it there. It's not
like it ruined the whole show for me. I still
feel like I want to watch season three. But it
was a solid trailer too, Like I'll give it that much.
I mean, go check out the episode breakdown Dylan and
I did. That was lots of fun. Cool by this point,
you know, if you're not on the Patreon shows like
Out already, Born Against like pretty much already, so you
don't coming out now? Oh part of me is that it?
Speaker 2: That's it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I for me this season, I feel like
it's it's very different than season one just because of
the scale of everything, because we have a lot of
new characters going on, and they all have their own
kind of meat and potatoes. That's a weird reference, but yeah,
I'm gonna skip with it. Their own meat potatoes, going on,
their own issues, their own yeah, just driving forces to
progress their characters and stories. So I feel like at times, no,
I'm not even gonna say that, I think it's all
managed really well. I think the pacing of the season
is really strong throughout. I don't really know if I
like season one or season two more because they are
just very different. I think I like the simplicity of
what season one is, where you just have, like, you know,
there's multiple bad guys, but the main threat is very
much felt as Wilson Fisk and I like kind of
following him as well as just Matt Matt being the lawyer,
and then like the real ground level of what like
the Daredevil Vigilante fighter is in that season. So I
think for simplicity's sake, I might pick season one over
season two. But it's tough because we get some really
juicy characters that I really really like, I really really
like the performances, and I like the the evolution from
season one into season two. I think there's some some
like wedged in there beef between characters. I'll say, trying
and say that as cryptic as possible, but not the
biggest fan of it. I'll detail what that is. It
just seems like it's something that entrying the show, I'm like, well,
I bet we're gonna get to some sort of dynamic
like this at some point in the show, and we
got it, and I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just not
really a big fan of it. I understood, like it
makes sense story wise why they would have happened, but
I'm just not a big fan when those certain moments
happen in shows or movies. So of course I'll detail
what that is when we get there. But overall, yeah,
really solid season, I think. I will say, I think
the cliffhanger of like ending the season going into season
three is so much stronger for me than season one
going into season two, Like I was excited after watching
season one to get into season two, but story reasons,
now I'm like, oh my god, like I got to
jump in there now season three, So glad we're doing
this episode. I'm glad we're gonna be jumping into it.
But yeah, no, it's uh, it's pretty weird too that
we're like almost done the show. We're all like, we're
over the halfway point. It's it's not that long of
a show. I mean, thirteen hour seasons, so they I
guess they are pretty long, with thirteen episodes being an
hour long each, but maybe it's just because I'm binging
them it makes it feel a lot shorter. But really
digging it, yeah, no, really really really digging it.
Speaker 2: So cool.
Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's get into spoilers here. So three to two,
one to the field, you can kind of well, actually,
I guess we're gonna go episode by episodes, so don't
just spew whatever you want. But let's start at the beginning.
So episode one, bang, This is a quick name of
that one. I'll say this synopsis as we go through them,
so we kind of know what we're talking about because
you watch the show a little bit further away ago
than I did. So in the void left by fix
oh my gosh, Fisks removal, a new threat to Hell's
kitchen emerges. Murdock and Foggy take on a client with
a questionable pass. Yeah, anything on episode.
Speaker 2: This, this episode, I mean, what a what a way
to start, because it completely caught me off guard. I
think it was great because, yeah, you got this big
as you said, there's a void. You got crime syndicates
trying to get together take what they can. And I thought, Okay,
this is kind of setting out the bad guys here.
We're gonna get some interesting dynamic with these guys because
it was a very long scene set up with this
this dinner and everyone's talking and you just feel like
the big honchos are meeting up and having a moment,
and all of a sudden, it's just just they're gunned down,
like holy shit, like they don't stand a chance. It's like,
my god, and the last person I was thinking, I
was punished. I I did not actually expect them to
pop up in this season. I was going in blind.
So when that happened, it just blew me away, Like
they got blown away. And so the one guy that survived,
I liked that dynamic a lot, and I liked how
he was. I guess it doesn't really happen in this episode,
but it kind of see they sway him to you know,
do the right thing eventually here even though it's not
really there. He gets fucked over, but he's trying to
do the right thing or at least make a change,
and they're painting the picture. Now we get part way
through this episode, like okay, like Frank Castle Castle, because
we see a new vigilante at least I'm pretty sure
you see Frank Castle in this episode near the end
of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Didn't have electro pop in yet, so I just I
just got really excited when that happened. And just yeah,
again the dynamic and of this because at this point
that was Frank Castle that killed all those gangsters or
was it him being framed because I know he was
being framed in other situations.
Speaker 1: I took it as him like hand, this is kind
of in the prime of his blood less like he's
he's going out to murder all these guys, like that's
his goal. So yeah, that's how I took it as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, but I think all it was great.
Speaker 1: It's just as cool to see.
Speaker 2: Him because we didn't get a lot of Matt Murdock
in his suit in that first season, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just last episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we get a little bit more of
that here, which was which is pretty cool. And then
Foggy just kind of like taking upon his own to
go to like this biker club. Was just I thought,
holy shit, they're going to execute him here. But he
held his ground.
Speaker 1: Bold movie for sure, very bold.
Speaker 2: I don't like, at the end of the day, if
that information really helped, I don't think it did anything.
But uh yeah, that was that was crazy. I thought
he was going to get asked, but you know, he
said the right things and he managed to come out
there unscathed, which is something else.
Speaker 1: It seemed like a play that wasn't worth the risk,
you know, like like I feel like ninety percent chance
he's the least losing a limb or a broken bone
or something going in there. Definitely. Yeah, No, I really
like the start of this episode or story, the start
of the season. I think that, like you, I was
kind of surprised to see Punisher here. I knew he
was in the show, like I knew Electro was in
the show, Like I knew these characters appeared. But I
think once I'm like actually sitting down and like watching
the episode, all of those thoughts just completely vacate my memory,
like maybe I thought it was in like season three,
so to have Yeah, just the brutal assassination. I didn't
even think it was gonna be the Punisher at first,
and then once, you know, as the episode goes on,
I'm like, oh man, this is so juicy. I can't
believe we're getting Frank Castle this early on. You never
watched the show, did you? The Punisher?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I think I saw like majority of season one.
There are more seasons, maybe there's not. Just I think
I got like six or so episodes in. I thought
there was at least two seasons.
Speaker 2: There is a season two.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there you go. So I got majority of
the way through season one. Really really liked it. I mean,
watching this season makes me want to, you know, go
watch some of those other Netflix Marvel shows, because this
is really juice. Not all of them, probably just Punisher honestly,
but yeah, no, I really like the setup of that,
just really showing like the tactile like professionalism, to like
the way that he's just not necessarily like cleanly killing
these people, but like knows how to handle all the
weaponry that he's handling, and yeah, trained killer and just
taking out like an entire like syndicate essentially, like in
One Go, like's he's pretty fucking pretty efficient with his methods.
So it was cool to see it there. And then
I really like just seeing I think the fear in
the other character, like when he approaches our lawyers and
just he is a bad guy and he's like admitting that,
but he's so scared that like he doesn't even care,
like just just protect me some way. So I liked
the setup of what the threat was, you know, even
though it's not the main threat of the season. It
was just a really good start to the show. And
I liked it because it was it wasn't too much
in one episode, Like we still get a lot of
like our friends kind of just being friendly. They're playing
pool together and just kind of socializing, and yeah, just
just a little bit of a lighter episode, and then
introduced this new threat, like it seemed like a good
way to set us off on season two. M I agree. Cool.
I somehow closed my IMDb that had all my my
list on there.
Speaker 2: So you want episode two?
Speaker 1: Oh you got it? Okay, yeah, you say it.
Speaker 2: Nelson finds Murdoch the next morning, though his body armor
saved his life. Murdoc's head and heightened senses are damaged
and impaired. This stressed me the heck out when that happened.
Speaker 1: Because when you get like this is when he gets
beat on, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when punishure like managed to like shoot the side
of his head and his helmet does protect him. But yes,
hences are kind of impaired. So when he's in his
place and he can't hear and he's just like tweaking out,
I started to freak out in my living room, like,
oh my God, like looking around the room. This is
not good that I can only imagine that guy that
has First of all, he's been he's been blind for
so long and he's just really been relying on his
senses for the longest time, and to just lose that
within seconds must be terrifying to truly be, I mean
be blind and deaf. That's that's a heck of a
I don't know, combo sounds like a positive term. I
don't want to say that.
Speaker 1: That's just that's the Helen Keller combo right there. The Witch,
the Helen Keller. You're not familiar with Helen Keller historical figure.
She was blind and deaf. No learned about Helen Keller.
Speaker 2: I'm not educated on all men, and I swear.
Speaker 1: In like grade two, like a book report on Helen Keller.
But there you go. Maybe they wasn't taught everywhere. Sorry,
sorry for assuming that you knew about Helen Keller. Yeah
about it, Yeah, no, I thought it was. I mean
we had some more, mostly just at the beginning, like
Foggy and Matt like button heads again, or he's like,
you shouldn't be doing this mad, like this is the
wrong way. I kinda was hoping that we got past
that from season one, Like, it's not my favorite type
of dynamic amongst the like it's necessary, I understand why
it's happening, but I think it's just not my favorite scenes,
so when we have them on screen, I'm not a
big fan. We get introduced to the DA Lady. She's
kind of the threat for most of the season, I feel, well,
not the main threat, but a threat against our lawyers
at least, and just clearly has her own personal motives.
Interesting shift by the end of the season, but at
least right now she's very much pushing down our lawyers because.
Speaker 2: She's making a bigger political run.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, she's trying to be the main that, Yeah, exactly.
So it's I mean it's something that I'm sure happens
a lot in today's day and age. So it's it's
an interesting type of character, i'll say, just in that position,
especially one that like she just sees Frank as a
bad guy. So it's like, so, why are we trying
to defend this guy? Like it's just put him down
even though there's so much more to it. So yeah,
I like the dynamic there. I think it was just also,
like throughout the whole show, I really like the setup
of our lawyers defending the guy that's like so guilty,
like like he's clearly murdered all these people, like we
know it, but like there's just something more to it.
So I think I like that setup, and of course
it allows us to have some really really great scenes
between oh my gosh, is it Claire, Karen, Karen, Thank
you Karen, and Frank, and just like that, the build
up of that I'll call it relationship, but just yeah,
just just I think they have good chemistry together and
she's the one that can kind of get through, you know,
the tough shell to the soft niggdy inside even though
it's it's not big, but there's something in there, there's
some human traits to them. And I think just throughout
the whole show, I really like the like the pace
at which Frank kind of puts down his guard a
little bit, not in the sense of like he's vulnerable,
well I guess kind of, but just talking about his
family and like really opening it up because like the
DA people, they're not going to be asking about these things, right,
Like they just see him as this murderer, as this
bad guy, but like there's so much more to it.
So I really like the way that all that stuff
went about, and yeah, this is I mean, I guess
they don't really interview Frank in this episode, but I'm
more so just talking about the whole dynamic between the Day,
the DA and Nelson murder and Claire and all that
with Frank obviously mm hmm. I mean get ahead of myself,
I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you really you only necessarily get interviews
with Frank when it's just Karen, right, because he usually
just like looks at Foggy like get the fuck out, fuck.
Speaker 1: You, Foggy going after foggy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess it's just that that sympathetic kind
of part that to Frank because we all know that
story with his family, and I guess the general population
and here does not know that story, and that's something
that they try to unravel. But again that happens later
because right now.
Speaker 1: That it seems like the victims just they they change.
Speaker 2: Where Okay, we have Nelson and Murdoch that are focusing
on this Irish guy who's trying to get out of
the game and they had the DA just bade him hard,
use him as a goon, and that transitions then once
he's out of the picture to them trying to say Frank.
So it's funny how those those positions kind of transition over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So it is unfortunate how things kind of
go for this Irish guy. But yeah, he is he
is a bad guy, and Frank is relentless and trying
to trying to get him. And I think it was
this episode where you get that crazy rooftops. No, no,
it was the end here, Okay.
Speaker 1: Right at the end, that's when he fights mister Punisher
and then yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because then he he has the Irish guy up there too,
right after the baiting situation. Is that correct? Or was
that the next episode?
Speaker 1: Well, I thought this was the episode when he kills
him and then uh.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, because he has him on the roof and
then he does he kills him and Daredevils tied up.
It's like, ah, like losing his mind, and then you
have the next episode. Okay, because I'm getting confused.
Speaker 1: Landing the two together, because because he because he fights
Punisher on the rooftop at the end of this episode,
and is.
Speaker 2: That where the house build the building guy comes up.
But it's like, and Frank, that's five Oh my god, rooftops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it ends on the rooftop and the
next episode starts on the rooftop. Oh, not mistaken. There
might be some mix ups there, but that's the gist
of it. Anyways, let's just get to the next episode.
Episode three, New York's Finest trapped face to face with
the Punisher, Daredevil wrestles with the morality of vigilante justice. Meanwhile,
Foggy and Karen work to save the firm. I mean, yeah,
this is like the first time we really get like
a full on face to face conversation between Daredevil and Punisher.
I really like the I just really love the inclusion
of Punisher overall in this show because they are kind
of similar but very different, which is a really stupid
thing to say, but it like they are both vigilantes.
One goes for the kill, one doesn't, and they have
different reasons why that is. And I just like when
they interact with each other, like later on in the season.
I believe it's when like before Frank gets arrested for
the first time, Like they're just like having a conversation
in the I think it's when he's like bleeding out,
They're like having a conversation in the graveyard, and yeah,
he's just telling him like about his like family and stuff.
And I just really really liked those conversations and just
really like from Matt's perspective, like understanding like the pain
and suffering that this guy has gone through to make
him what he is. So I just really like the Yeah,
just the dynamic of those two and episode three is
where we first get like a proper face to face,
you know, It's like, why is the Punisher not just
murdering Daredevil right here? Like he is just someone in
his way, But clearly there's something more that Daredevil's bringing
out for like the Punisher, and I just I really
really like the juice with this episode was I think
I could have gone without the old guy coming up
on the roof, But I don't know. I guess it
shows that the Punisher is not just pure evil, like
he's not just chaotic evil in the sense of he's
gonna like murder anyone, like like he at least goes
through the motion of not murdering this guy. And this
guy's very patriotic, very uh pro military, it seems, so
it was a good guy to come across there. But yeah,
I think overall, I really really I think this was
like the first well I liked all the episodes up
until this point, but this one was like, oh man,
this is what I was waiting for, Like the the
face to face between Daredevil and Punisher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree because between that scene and
then him again, Daredevil's still tied up and Punisher is
opening like pulling off or no, maybe Daredevil wasn't there
because he was the scene where he's pulling off all
these tarps and he's got all this ammunition and guns
and weaponry. I think Dartevil was there for that, because
I feel like there's two situations where Daredevil has been
tied up and Punisher engages in two different conversations with him. Uh.
But again, maybe I'm getting my scenes convoluted here because
it's been a hot minute the episode. I liked the
episode a lot, though, again, like you already highlighted the
scene where that war vets coming up the stairs and
it's like.
Speaker 1: What's going on here?
Speaker 2: Are you damn kids? And he's like, oh, you know,
I'm just st up here for a smoke break. Don't
tell anyone simprifi super patriotic up there. But again, it
shows like Frank has different motives and anyone that gets
in his way he will execute them.
Speaker 1: And you make a good point.
Speaker 2: Daredevil keeps getting in his way, but he doesn't execute him.
Why not? Like he he throws shade at Daredevil for
his morales and what Daredevil stands up for and how
he won't kill And it almost felt like a Dark
Knight Joker dynamic where Frank's like, you know, just kill YadA,
YadA YadA.
Speaker 1: But maybe I think that's more or less insinuated. When
we get to.
Speaker 2: Electra and Electure kind of lives and breathe that kind
of mentality like I'm just you know, kill and he's
like no. So we can kind of address that as
we get further on in this in this season. But
their dynamic is interesting and I like, I like how
things kind of around for Frank. But again, it's funny
how Frank doesn't actually connect the dots that Daredevil is
Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 1: They talk so many times, and like like Daredevil doesn't
he doesn't change his voice, you know when he's in
the persona, So like there's so many times when like, uh,
I almost said Charlie Cox, but Matt Murdoch would be
like speaking to him as a lawyer, and then Daredevil
later on, I'm like, come on, Frank, like I know
you've taken a gun shot to the head. You know,
he's been beaten and bruised, but like it's pretty obvious here,
but oh yeah, yeah. They also don't interact a lot,
like just one on one there, So I guess that's
a reason, Like he's mostly interacted with Karen and then
like the three of them together, so maybe it's harder
to pin out the voice there. I believe the tart
scenes with all the gun actually was in this episode.
I kind of fan through it. And this is actually
the episode where I forget the the guy's name, but
their client gets killed in this sequence. So then Daredevil
obviously really torn up about that. He's trying to save
his clients. Uh. And then the episode ends with an
awesome fight scene where mattch just going through the Dogs
of Hell, just popping off with them. He's using like
a chain at some point. Some stairwells are in here.
But yeah, no, I thought it was a good action
way to end the episode here, but overall it was
it was really good. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: There's another note I wanted to highlight and oh what
was it? Geez the wheeze.
Speaker 1: This is also the episode where you have in the hospital,
like the gang members just like fucking have like a
knife fight or like right there Claire Claire talks them down.
Speaker 2: You get Claire back, yeah, because she was kind of
missing for for a little bit there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she she interacts with Foggy. They kind of
reveal that they both know who matd is, you know,
talk about their mutual friend there. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I found like, like the hospital like sequence
a little cheesy when they're just like, well, fucking kill you,
and it's like settled down, like this is a hospit
little I could have done without that, But yeah, it
just shows the tensity. That's not the intensity. There you go.
Speaker 2: The things with Foggy. I that's something that bothers me too,
just how he gets a little bit more tense and
just pissed off at Matt. But I get it because
he's coming from a place where he cares about Matt,
and Matt lied to him, and they're supposed to be
doing this the right way, but Matt is doing it
in his own justice way and that really upsets Foggy
and his values. But it just it bothers me when
you get these like moments where Foggy is just like
a humbug to Matt, because I feel like, you don't
want your best friend to die. That's definitely horrible. But
I don't know, I just it's hard for me to
get on Foggy's side because I mean, well, of course
we see the whole picture. Matt doesn't tell Foggy the
entire truth, so there is that. So we're a little
bit biased on our position, at least I am, because
I'm more Devil over Foggy, but it is hard to
because Foggy, what's that.
Speaker 1: If I had to choose, yes, I would pick chose.
Speaker 2: Foggy is also the one that has to keep the
secret from Karen, and I mean that's easier for Daredevil
from Matt, but Foggy doesn't like doing that. He wants
to you know, it's an open three person friendship, right,
Like they communicate with these things, So there's definitely a
lot on his on his shoulders. But yeah, the resentments building.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's kind of what I was alluding to in
this boiler free section is just anytime you have like
two friends that are really good friends and then you're
setting up it's like, well, I bet we're gonna get
to a situation where they just are button heads and
they're grumpy with each other. And I just I'm not
a big fan of that. I mean, it's necessary for
some storytelling, I guess, but I think it's just most
of the time when I do see it, it's like
my least favorite part of an art or like a
character progression sequence. So yeah, I wasn't a big fan
of this. It's almost reminded me of like Deathly Hollows
part one, you know, the Harry and Ron button heads,
and I'm just like, oh my god, this is just
unnecessary because I guess what's gonna happen. They're gonna become
friends again and we're gonna like sweep under the rugs.
So yeah, not the biggest fan of all that going on.
And that happens like kind of middle of the season,
I think, when they're like breaking like the lawyer firm. Yeah,
the lawyer firm up right, because Foggy just really pissed
at Matt for not actually even being there, which is
totally justified, I guess, But it's just kind of annoying
having them cranky at each other and eventually they just
get back together, you know, that's how it goes. But
that's right, I guess, I guess, somewhat necessary. Cool Episode three.
Anything else to say on that one? No, that's everything. Cool.
Episode four Penny and Don Karen and covers shocking facts
about the Punisher, who finds himself hunted by a powerful
force in Hell's kitchen. Daredevil ponders his next move. Another
banger for me, honestly, I think, actually, yes, this is
the episode where they have the sit down in the graveyard.
At the very end, Daredevil saves Punisher from a brutal
torture scene with a fucking drill. Oh, that one got
Me's so good. I was squirming when he's just going
into his foot. Of course, you know it's a brutal show.
So they showed us a zoomin shot of it, and
I was just squirming in that sequence. But no, I
thought this was a really spicy episode. Of course, you
just have the good guy Daredevil saving like the murderer Punisher,
It's always gonna be a spicy dynamic. You have the
uh I guess the leader of the crime family who
Punisher just popped off on. And this guy just a
piece of shit. He just wants his money. He doesn't
even care that his whole family died, right, He just
wants the money that he's gonna hurt the dogs. Yeah, exactly.
That That was where I'm like, get that fucking dog
out of here. So I'm glad they I'm glad they
didn't even do like a fake torture of the dogs.
So but yeah, I know, this guy deserved to die
in my eyes, and Punisher fucking delivered it to him
with a nice shotgun blast of the face. It was
pretty brutal and quick, but I loved it. I loved
all the action in this this episode. Of course you
have Daredevil doing like the stealth takedowns and everything. Like
I'm playing at Ubisoft game it was. It was pretty
awesome to have him just go in there. And I
liked it too from the perspective of the Punisher where
you're just trapped in this chair and then you're just
hearing like things going on in the base. It was
I thought it was a really cool sequence. Obviously there's
there's more in here that happened, but yeah, no, what
do you think? Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we were just talking about that guy that
got the shotgun to the face.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know his name, but he's like the
leader of the crime family. Do you want a name?
Is that what you're itching for? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think the name because is different. Finn Cooley, I
think is his name.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I was thinking of someone different here. You
made me think of the character Jigsaw. But I thought like, okay, no,
if he took a shotgun, shotgun blast of the face,
he's gonna die. But I Jigsaw's face gets sucked up.
So when he gets his face rebuilt after getting a shotgun, flastic,
you're dead, like you're.
Speaker 1: I think he's gone. I think he's gone. I think
he's pasted in that moment. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't think Jigsaw was in season two of
Daredevil because I saw like a quick article on it.
But I think that was in The Punisher season two. Okay,
I think yeah or no, no, no, because wait, this is
saying the character was first introduced in season two of
Netflix is Daredevil, but then the he I think he
popped up and punished it. I'll have to ask Travis
about that, because I'm a little I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Anyways, I'm going way off track with that.
Speaker 2: This episode, like you said, uh yeah, Frank got some
vindication here against the Irish mobster. That guy was next level,
just not ideal. He was terrifying, like you said, only
want his cash and it was just torturing him. That
was crazy.
Speaker 1: And then you.
Speaker 2: Get you get Karen finding out where Frank's house is
in this episode, right, and she goes there and it's
like check it right out. Yeah, and then you see like, okay, well,
the agents are on this place too. They got it
like wiretap, they got it all like under lock and
Keek sort of speaks. So there's definitely some stuff going
on here, we know, Okay, there's something larger in the
overall narrative happening as well. With Frank. I'm assuming his
was someone does someone live there? Or was this very recent?
Because how could he still have this as a home
if his family was murdered like his was weird. It
was weird, So it must have been a very recent
thing for his family to be killed and then he
became the Punisher, But I'm not sure the exact timeline
of events here.
Speaker 1: I actually was really confused on that as well, because
I didn't understand why this house was just it was
like a show home, like it was just completely untouched.
I mean, I imagine it would have taken some time. I
don't remember like the timeline from the show The Punisher
or anything. It's been a long time since I watched that.
But yeah, no, I was also very confused on that
because they don't like blatantly say super easy. It does
seem like it is early on, I think because by
the end of the season, he's like, doesn't he get
like his symbol and everything, like he's kind of got
his suit.
Speaker 2: But yeah I get this vest and yeah, like spray
paints the So yeah, it feels pretty early.
Speaker 1: And I guess if he's been like murdering people for years, like,
it probably would have been a lot bigger of a
deal versus like this new threat that's just been shown
up in I was kitchen. So yeah, I think I would.
I don't. I definitely don't know, but I would assume
it is pretty early on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it times in two with uh.
Speaker 1: Clancy Brown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, caught me completely out of left field.
I was not expecting that. It's thinking, Man, this guy
is like back in the day, you know, Chuck Norris
is and everything we had, like Liam Neeson was in everything.
Now I feel like, Okay, this guy is in freaking everything.
Speaker 1: That makes me smile every time I see him too,
I'm like, hell yeah, I hear that voice, like he's
just it's crazy how it just for me? It started
with like Dexter new Blood Clancy Brown, but now I
just see him and everything.
Speaker 2: That's what it started with me too. Yeah, because he
has like Star Wars, Marvel guys, freaking everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's Cranklin. Don't forget the pang englin. Oh my god,
yeah he's hit a stride that's.
Speaker 2: Surely has But yeah, so so here this is is
this where they capture afterwards.
Speaker 1: Where he goes to the merry girl round thing. He's
just sitting there like a creep, staring at these children.
I feel like it'd be pretty uh sussery having this
guy just staring at the people in.
Speaker 2: The mid and that's when he gets caught, is it not?
Because that's where the Irish folks.
Speaker 1: He's looking at it. And then the power goes down
every like everyone leaves, and then they show up and
he fucking takes out like a good amount of them.
This guy's right, This guy's a badass.
Speaker 2: And this is where we start to retrace the steps
too of what happened with Frank's family, because we know it, Okay,
this is the this is the place here where his
family gets killed.
Speaker 1: And we learned later on how.
Speaker 2: The DA was definitely at fault here with the Irish mob.
How there's many different parties that are that are at
fault here because there were several crimes in the Kits
I think that were staged here and set up, and
the FBI, the DA they were kind of like the
the instigators for this, and then it just turned into
absolute chaos, right and some bullets were going and then
people were hitting the crossfire, including Frank's family, And so
you have Frank trying to unwind this mystery a little
bit and figure it out. And that's where you get
him working with Karen, because after he does get caught,
I think it's in the next episode where he goes
in with the police or he gets arrested, Karen is like, okay,
like I'll help you by finding out the truth, but
you got to help me. And so that's where he's
thinking like okay, yeah, yeah, like if you give me
information on my family and whatever you can dig up,
like I will help you. Because at this point he
didn't he didn't care about the court or anything like
that or not saved. He was just like just get
it over with, like just shoot me or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's very depressing. So yeah, what it's in, Yeah, let's
just go to a quick ad break and then we'll
be right back. All right, we're back. Anything else on
Penny and Time. I guess the thing that happens at
the very end, you know, we see Electra appear. I
thought this was such a fantastic, like reveal of the
episode where he just goes into his house and he's
just recovering, and then he realizes that someone's in the
house with him. Obviously someone would be a kind of
ninja like that can hide from his senses. And then
right away, like they say one, I think she just
says hello, Matthew, so clearly sets up that they have
some history together. I thought it was just fantastic and
h for me not expecting her to be in this season,
it was. It was a fantastic reveal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it's another character I was not anticipating
because we got we already got are Punisher here, which
caught me off guard. And so then all of a sudden, uh, yes, sorry,
someone opened my door. Yeah, so it just caught me
off guard. I'm looking at Madison, get her a look,
dang it, Frank know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just it caught me up Garb.
Speaker 2: When Electro popped in, It just it was not expected.
And to know more about her character too, and how
mysterious she is. My only affiliation with her is that
Ben Affleck's movie. I never really like we did an
Electra retro, did we not? Or were we supposed to?
Speaker 1: And we never know.
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever did, because I don't know
if I think I watched it a long long time ago,
but I don't know if I what I can recall
from that. The only other time I really know of
Electro is in Deadpool and Wolverine, So there's that.
Speaker 1: But not aside.
Speaker 2: I think that this portrayal of the character was awesome.
I really really liked it, and she was just full
of mystery and her in depth connection with Matt Murdoch.
It's so much more. There's so much more to it,
not just that, but then her as a character. She's
got her own history as well. When you look at
the hand which we'll get into, and how that's all
tied in and connected to her. But I already mentioned
this earlier. I like how as we get to know
more about her, and she's been more so that, you know,
just kill him and trying to get Matt to be
that kind of that killer and to not be holding back,
which is what I mean, that's what his former master
wanted to right, which again we will get into that.
So there's all these different hands at play with Matt
Murdoch's development as a character in his past and how
he overcomes that and where he goes and where he's
at now too, right, So.
Speaker 1: Absolutely let's get into that. Episode five, kin Baku, a
former lover, arrives in Hell's kitchen and turns Murdoch's world
upside down. Karen digs for the truth about the Punisher. Yeah,
I thought this was a pretty pretty darn good episode.
Not as good as the last, but a lot of
flashbacks in here, so I guess it's kind of warranted
expected to be to be a little bit slower pace
than the last because we had a lot of action
in there. But yeah, gave us a lot of just
highlighting I guess the history of Matt and Elektra. I
found it interesting too, how this season was really where
like Matt and Karen are like getting you know, they're
they're snogging, their their rubbing noses and getting all close.
And then that's when you introduce Electra, which is just
a big variable factor obviously a former lover, so there's
some tension there. Later on, you know, you got the
scene where Karen walks in and she's in Matt's bed,
but yeah, a bit of a wrench to throw in
the cogs when they're they're starting to get happy and
uh yeah, just just getting close. But you have this
big wildcard variable introduction of the show. And I did
like it because it didn't seem like they just brought
in here just to be like a love issue for
like Matt and Karen and like like, it's not like
that's why she was back. And I like how Matt
like right away was kind of setting that line even
though as it was going on, you understand why they
would have gotten along right like, like he even says, like,
you're the only one that really sees me as myself,
like being this person that just loves to fucking beat
the shit out of people. So I really really like
the just inclusion of her for the season. I think, Yeah,
I don't even think I was gonna say at times
it seems like maybe we have too many players in
the mix, but I think it's honestly, like a really
good amount. I think they did a good job at
handling the focus with the Punisher and Electra as well
as all of our other characters as well as all
the other threats. I think it helps that a lot
of the Punisher stuff. It's not like all the characters
are interacting with each other at the same time, whether
it's Stick, Electra or Punisher Foggy Care like I think
the like we have characters on their own kind of missions,
so it it it spreads it out nicely. And yeah,
I know, I thought Electra was a badass. I never
got here and the first time I watched the show,
so this was my first time ever even seeing like
this actors actress's portrayal of the character. It's funny because
I believe this is the episode where we get the
flashback of like them at the party when Matt first
meets her. A lot of like interesting sexual tension amongst
the two of them. I just like the dialogue and
like writing that they had obviously like the actors portraying
it really well how Matt just like sees through her
like disguise that she has and that's kind of what
makes it really interesting of a dynamic for her. So
I really liked all that stuff. It was tripped me
out though, because every time that she was wearing this
like I think she's wearing a red dress in this
scene at like the formal setting. I just kept seeing
the politician AOC. Do you know who that is? Alexandra
Alexandra something Cortez. Just just google her, just google her.
She looks exactly like Electra in this scene. So I
just kept seeing AOC in it. It was It was
pretty funny to me.
Speaker 2: But anyways, this is an official politician, not a politician
in the show or.
Speaker 1: An actual politician in real life. Yeh, choose, how do.
Speaker 2: You know about this politician just because she's.
Speaker 1: Just been in the feeds? I don't know. I'm not
I don't follow American politics, but she's probably a weird
poll but I don't She's not in my normal feeds,
but I just saw the face. Maybe I'm just I
have a weird thing with faces and whatnot. But anyways, yeah,
I know, I liked all the electro stuff here. I like,
I like all the flashbacks. This is also the episode
where Karen I feel like officially unofficially like gets employed
at like the newspaper place I can't remember. This is
the episode where she gets Ben's former office, but just
her working with Ben's former employer, who, of course, in
the last season he's just kind of an asshole throughout
the whole thing, and he's kind of like push it,
like he's kind of against Ben a lot of the time,
so you just assume that he's like a corrupt bad guy.
But I like the growth of the character. Like I
really like how he's now working with Karen here, and
just it seems like he made a mistake with like
not fully trusting Ben in the past, and now he's
he's got some maybe guilt or something else weighing on
him because because Ben died right and and he just
probably sees a lot of traits that Ben had in
Karen here. So I just really like the pairing of
those those things. I like seeing Karen on her little
missions here investigating the punisher. So yeah, throughout I think
this was a really really solid episode, even though it
wasn't as good as maybe the last two for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I agree with what you said.
There's interesting dynamics here where you see again the the
starting point of that relationship between Electra and Matt and
just where we know now getting into like near the
back half of the season. It was set up, even
though they don't make it seem like that right now,
which is. I know, it's just good storytelling because he
thinks he's the one that's pursuing her and he's the
one instigating things, and really it was her just kind
of like luring them in and setting up the everything
because we know that Okay, they share the same master,
which we'll talk about later. But yeah, you mentioned how
Karen and madd are kind of getting close, and they
have they're getting into the nitty gritty relationship stuff, and
I mean, I don't blame her for being pissed off
because he's been super flaky. They're trying to work on
the Frank case and Matt's not popping up in court
and she just shows up at his house. You got
some random old guys sitting on your couch. You got
a woman that you've never seen before, half naked and
just not looking good in his bed. Like it's just
it's totally crazy. And you've been on one date and
kissed each other early like twice, so it's a whole
can of worms to process. But she really just shuts
him down and doesn't want to hear it. But it's like,
you can't think that he's cheating on you, because why
was this old guy here is like it's just like
to watch like a cock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think she she could have pushed.
Speaker 2: A little bit more to get answers, but she just
really just threw him into the fire and didn't want
to have anything to do with it, which is you
know at the end of the day that sets her.
Speaker 1: Was that this episode when that happens.
Speaker 2: I thought it was because it wasn't that the next
episode where Oh no, because which episode was it? Then?
Speaker 1: I don't think it was this episode. It wasn't, No, no, no,
that was next episode. Because this is a lot of
flash like this is when Matt goes on his date
with Karen, and then a lot of flashbacks of like
when they follow.
Speaker 2: The mansion when the lecture and him go and like
she captures like the guy who killed his father. Okay, okay, yeah,
he was a bad boy, just going to this house,
just like breaking drinking the wine, Like like who is
this man?
Speaker 1: Electure man is bringing things out of him? Yeah he
was excited, Yeah, he sure was. I mean, yeah, I
kinda kind of gave everything that I had on my
initial I don't really have anything else to bring up.
I did like the date between Karen and Matt. I
feel like throughout the whole season, Matt has been very
distracted with everything else that's going on. But I still
really like the scenes of the two of them. It
seems very authentic and like true, Like it seems like
Matt actually wants to be there. It's not like, you know,
you and I are watching Dexter right now. You know,
in Dexter's like dating Deb's friend, and he just that's
the last thing he wants to do right now, Like
he just says his mind on other things and he
just does not want to be involved in that. I
do believe that Matt wants to be in this relationship
with Karen, and I think it just it adds to
the trickiness of the Dynamics, right because there's so many
things going on, and then you have this relationship with Karen,
and then you have Electra just come in, which is
just like a fucking It's like your your super toxic
ex girlfriend coming in that you have great sexual energy with,
but it's like, you know, she's awful for you. So
I did, like, just yeah, I liked everything that was
introduced here in this in this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And then Sally Forth Sally for Oh. The last thing
I'll say is right at the end, this is where
it's a really cool setup into next episode where you
have Electra actually like Dawn her like assassin Garb and
uh because I I can't, I think it's the Yakuza
are coming to just basically hunt down Electra and then
matches there and she's like gear up, buddy, like she
has his costumer to go there. Yeah, so as soon
as the episode ended, I'm like, oh fuck, yeah, we're
starting with an action sequence next episode.
Speaker 2: So because the Yakuza in the hand they are separate entities,
I believe, right, And so you have the the the
Yukuza is how it started in the handcuffs and later.
But yeah, the Yukuza they were trying to mess around
with her with her own company, were they not, because
she had that board meeting and she was like hacking
into their system fucking around with them. That's right, That's
what prompted their attack.
Speaker 1: That would have been this that you're You're right, that
would have been this episode when that was there to
kind of investigate. But yeah, that's kind of what set
it up. And I think she said that she kind
of planned on that happening like she was. She was
basically just starting a fire, and then this is what
happened afterwards. Yeah, that's right. Cool. So let's Sally Force
episode six, almost halfway part, halfway point of the season. Uh,
what's it called? Regrets only a lethal foe returns with
a vengeance, Foggy and Murdock risk the firm to ensure justice,
and Karen sees a different side of the Punisher discuss.
Oh yeah, so of course it starts with the action
sequence of Daredevil and Electra taken down some Ninja warriors
and in a dark sequence, just just some good action.
I thought all the hand to hand combat was really fun.
I like how afterwards Matt an Electra just go out
for go out for a coffee here or whatever. I'm
pretty sure it's yeah, never mind forget what. I kind
of lost my train of thought there. I don't know
what I was gonna say, you save me, save me Taylor. There.
So then the Matt and.
Speaker 2: Elektra them being here, there was this when they were
trying to save the Master in this episode?
Speaker 1: Stick was Yeah, were they trying.
Speaker 2: To save save Stick in this one?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I want to say, no, I don't think
Stick's in this episode quickly.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't fully recall because I know Stick comes
in later and helps, but I thought that there was
an episode where Stick because they're fighting the ninjas and
Matt's just getting his ass. Oh no, that's right. Okay,
Matt gets his ass handed to him because he can't
hear their heart beats, right, because they've kind of mastered.
Speaker 1: That later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, that's what I was getting confused with
because I know Stick gives them some advice, but yeah,
he he just this was a different dynamic because he's
the man's I think he's feeling better from his hearing
problem and his his like setbacks with the Punisher. I
think he's kind of bounced back from that at this point, right,
and so now it's just a matter of Okay, these
ninjas have silenced their heart beats and he can't hear them,
So how's he fighting them? How can how can he
counter that? And I think he can still hear like
when they pull their swords out right and they're they're
like swinging around, so he's listening for that, which house Yeah,
they're farting and everything like that, So you get some
really cool fight sequences in this episode, and then you get, yeah,
a lot more stuff with Frank Castle. So Karen is
talking with him, trying to figure it out and just
sharing more about his past that she learns about, and
that gets the cooperation going. And so I like the
dynamic of them working together and he's more trusting of her.
But you're getting to see a different side of Frank
here than we've seen at the start. Well, there is
still that underlying condition of him just wanting to kill
everyone that's bad everyone, that's like a sickness to the
city and just a killer. But I think in Front
was in Front of the Judge where Frank is basically
just like says, I'm guilty here because don't because they
toy with him, right, That was like or two episodes
from now Jesus Christ, Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, because
the trial the people versus Frank Castle.
Speaker 1: Trials, assuming it's episode eight, because episode eight is Guilty
of Sin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So now they're just kind of building their case.
Speaker 2: And I think this is where Foggy's really trying to
rely on Matt too, because he's he doesn't want to
be the only one going in on this, it's supposed
to be Matt opens up and then Foggy and they're
just kind of supposed to work together, but of course
Electure coming in totally steals the show for Matt, and
Matt's now completely preoccupied with her and is leaving this
Frank Castle case out in the open, you know, walking
in late to the Yeah, well this is like the
first time that they actually have a sit down conversation
with him, you know. Matt pulls out of his lawyer
bag and like just drops bombs on the DA on
like why they're allowed to be there and everything that
they're doing is legal and all that jazz. So then
it like sets up everything so they can start building
the case, and then Matt has to go because the
Electure is calling him right, And I, yeah, it's kind
of a fun situation because it's like, Okay, we finally
get set it up. Now we have all hands on
deck to figure out this guy's case. But then Matt
just has to fuck off. And I guess this is.
Speaker 1: Like reasons why Foggy would be really really upset and
pissed off at Matt. So earlier I said I don't
really love that dynamic, but I guess here it kind
of sets up on why it's justified, and then yeah,
e lecture just steals them. They go to this party together.
He justes all fancy and I mean like he's annoyed
that she's just doing this, but like at the same time,
he is also enjoying it, right, like like he is
getting to the what he thinks is like the root
of some crime issues and like his he gets to
beat the shit out of people. So like it's just, yeah,
it's balancing the two sides. Like, I think Matt does
a lot of things in the season that are justified
and like totally understandable, but he still does things where
I'm like, man, like that is not the right move
or played to make, so really just doubles down on
you know, he is a flawed character. He's not perfect.
Even though it seems like he's doing everything very justified
and making the right moves, I think he still falters
in certain situations and doesn't think about everyone else's feelings
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: No, he gets completely compromised, and again I attribute that
to a lecture coming in and completely spinning his world
upside down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Smells she just comes in exotic smell and
his senses are going crazy because the.
Speaker 2: First time we're really seeing him drop the ball aside
from being injured in Foggy finding out and so forth,
but this is him like really putting his own mission with.
Speaker 1: The Electra over Foggy and then his friends.
Speaker 2: And so at this point do we see like did
he tell Foggy about Electra coming back now because Foggy
was well aware of that dynamic.
Speaker 1: They just say like a new client, and then he
just leaves it at that, and then I think later
on he might mention like it's Electra, but it's it's
not at this point in the season, right, right, unless
I'm really mistaken, I think you're right. I don't think yeah.
So yeah, this is where we have Karen actually sitting
down with the Punisher as well. Just really good. I
don't know, it's just she brings out a different side
of him, which is great. I love all their scenes
together throughout the whole season. I think they're both really
really good. It's funny. John Bernthal actually has a podcast.
I've never like watched it, but I just randomly watched
Karen's episode. I forget the actress's real name. I want
to say Deborah and something. But yeah, it was just
kind of funny them talking about the show and just
other things outside of the show. She's also a massive
D and D person, which I just think is amazing.
It's like a side gig of hers. She like makes
campaigns for people and like dms, which is just so cool.
But yeah, no, I like seeing the chemistry that they
have on screen, because they definitely have it off screen
from just judging by that one episode that I watch.
But yeah, other than that, I think that's kind of
everything that happened in this episode. Quickly scanning. Yeah, this
is actually the episode where I thought she looked like
AOC because the red lipstick and dress, which is just funny.
But anyways, cool. Moving on episode seven over the halfway point,
this is where we get simper fidel us. I always
just say simplify. Murdock and Foggy take on the DA
in the Trial of the Century, but their client refuses
to play along. Murdock struggles to balance his dual identities.
I believe this is the Clancy Brown episode when they
call him his witness. I mean, yeah, another solid episode,
just kind of building on everything that we were already
kind of discussing last episode, Electra and Daredevil are working
together a lot more here or just I guess continuingly
to work together in their suits, and it's just I
think I feel like this episode is just like, Wow,
all the episodes are kind of a build up on
the previous, but this one more so. It feels like
the last episode and this one are like one contained
because it just seems like they're doing the same things,
like they're still working on the trial, and then Daredevil
and Electra are still doing their their nighttime their nighttime
exercise is and not sexual. So, yeah, what do you
think about some simplify Yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 2: This episode, Uh so the trial is getting closer and
you have them trying to pick a different I guess
causation for for Frank to kind of give him some
some ground in his core strategy for the Yeah, the strategy,
I think PTSD was kind of the go to, but
Frank's just like no, no, no, like that's just dishonorable,
disrespectful to everyone that actually the war beats that do
have PTSD, So they kind of scrap that and they
retackle their their plan to focus on the family and
how the justice system failed his family, and his family
got killed, and of course they don't know the full
story at this time, but they're just using it as
kind of causation to warrant why Frank did what he did,
because the justice system doesn't do anything, so Frank had
to quote and be the justice system. It's a it's loose,
but it's I see what they were trying to go
with it. I think you get Matt and Karen working
together on like the cross examination, because you have the
the medical officer who had changed the details right on
some of the crime scenes, and I got a little
confused on that because like there was a body present,
but then the of a sudden, the body was no
longer existence there at the crime scene. So yeah, it's
just this is where things got murky because I wasn't sure, like, Okay,
at what point here is the DA trying to really
change up the dynamic here and mess up and really
get Frank put away. Then you also have Electra meddling
in the case now and like making threats to the
medical examiner. So there's like she's really really like the
worlds were separate, and it was just Matt making bad
decisions by being too much with Elektra and not too
much with his friends and trying to work on the case.
But now you have a lecture coming into his world,
now more so into his friend's world, messing up with
the case, and so it's just it gets really, really,
really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought this was I thought this
was good because it seemed like Matt was getting too
comfortable with just living the double life. He's like, wow,
this is just easy, Like I can I can do
the day to day stuff and then go mess around
with Electra in the nighttime. Again, not sexual, but there
was some moments where I feel like there was some
sexual tension. When he's pattering up and they're just like
in their underwear and he's getting all close with her
on the couch. I thought maybe he was gonna go
a little bit further, and I'm like, oh, man, oh, Matt,
this is where I really lose some, you know, some
some respect for him just doing questionable things. He's balancing
two women here. I feel like he gets close to
the line, but I guess he doesn't go across it,
So kudos to him there. But Electra's just exotic smells
or just just winning over winning him over. So I
think I was surprised by the fact that they didn't
go over the line there, like I thought it was
really gonna go that way. But I liked how she
did try to, you know, try to help him out
by just threatening this guy. It's staying true to her
extreme techniques. I guess, for lack of a better term
of just like she's gonna go like she'll she'll murder
this guy and like like if she has to to
like get her point across or whatever, like, whereas Matt
is never at that point, like that's where they've always
been at odds is that just kind of like the
punisher thing, right, Like like she's willing to just murder people,
whereas Matt isn't, Like it's just that's not the right
thing to do. And although he's getting warm and cozy
with her, like, when she does go that far, he's
like disgusted because that's just so not what he is
and he just thinks that's so wrong. So I like
that he stayed true to kind of what he believes
in in that situation. And then when she just ruins
the trial here, like they can't even use this now
as evidence, which is just like a major, major loss
on their strategies, so he's obviously very very pissed off
at the end. And then this is the episode actually
where he tells Foggy that it's Electra, that she's the
one that kind of fucks it up, and again Foggy
gets very understandably pissed off, like this is like his
own outside shit is now affecting their day to day
lives and they're going to lose this case, and their lawyers,
you know, they don't want to lose, and someone's life
is on the line. So yeah, I think I liked
how all the dynamics kind of played out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Cool some more cool action scenes in the beginning in
the train yard, which was really good. This episode, I
believe ended with the giant pit. Yes, so I don't
think there was any action at the end though. They
just see the pit and that's it. And then next
episode is where Stick appears because that's when the Ninjas
come and then he can't really hear them, and then
Stick comes in and kicks ass and then explain.
Speaker 2: So like whispers to Darrin, I will like listen to their.
Speaker 1: Listen for their that's right. So let's get right to it.
Episode eight, Guilty as Sin. As the firm's trial spins
out of control, a figure from Murdoch's past returns to
deliver shocking revelations about the future of Hell's Kitchen. Yeah, so,
as we were kind of alluding to mister Stick himself
the master of dared Evil. I don't know if it's
do they say that he also trained a lecture here?
Does that come later on?
Speaker 2: I think that is here because we learned that, well
maybe it was the next episode we get the flashbacks,
but I know here we get confirmation that Stick has
her working for him, and I think Murdoch finds out like, okay, sold,
everything from the start was just you and Stick, and
it's always been Matt, Like Matt's been the focal point.
But I think Elektro was supposed to help kind of
keep him going in this path that Stick wanted him
to go down. Yeah, and of course you know Matt's
not going to like that because it's like, well, then
everything we had was just bullshit. But then from Electra,
I's like, well, no, like it was supposed to be bullshit,
but I really did love you. So it's a little convoluted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about Stick?
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of him. He just yeah,
I feel like he just stands out. He walks in
with his little old like army coat, his green like
warback coat, and he walks into his little like walking
blind cane and then he just like kicks ass like
he's a mother trucker and just dominates the scene. He
just feels so out of place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what about you. I don't like Stick at all.
I I feel like I didn't love him in season one,
and I just I would have been okay if we
never see this guy again. I don't know, Like I
guess it fits for the story because he's the tying
piece to Electro and everything, but I like it seems
like the ros el Ghoul from like Batman begins dynamic
of like Leam Neesen and Christian Bale of like you know,
like that's his trainer, Like there's obviously some admiration there,
but like he's just so extreme, so like he doesn't
doesn't like how extreme he is. And that's how the
dynamic felt from season one. In season two, it's like
the same thing again, but like they're working the I
don't know. I just I feel like the character is
a little goofy too, with all the blindness and everything,
and like when he when he's saving him an electra
in the car and like he just keeps like it.
To me, it's just so corny. He's just like he's like, oh,
guy on the left, and he just like snipes him
with his crossbow and he's like blind and I'm just like,
this is so stupid. But yeah, I'm not a big
fan of stick. So hopefully he's not really a part
of season three, but we'll see. I'm assuming he will be. Yeah,
I know, but the the opening chasing I kind of
game my thoughts. I thought he was kind of corny,
just the arrows going into the vehicle and everything. He
ends up saving Elektra again, I thought this was just
kind of a corny scene. He's like, get that tea going,
and then he like saves her. He's like, oh, perfect,
thanks for the tea. Yeah, just just a little bit
too bad for me. And then yeah, he reveals the
big war with the hand and you know, big just
a war is happening. It's bigger than all of us.
I think I just don't like the setup of what
this is. It just seems so like mythical and I
guess that's what the Hand is. I'm just yeah, yeah, exactly,
that's exactly what it is. I I like the grounded
threats of what's going on here, and now we're getting
introduced just this thousand year old war with the Hand
and like it's happening in Hell's kitchen. I just think
when this was introduced, I didn't love the substance. And
that's kind of what happens. I mean, that's the main
threat for the rest of the season now, right, Obviously
there's there's other things that are going on. A mister
Fisk appears, but yeah, I just I didn't love the
whole setup of the Hand. I think I like the
action scenes of like the Ninja's fighting Matt. I mean
that happens last last season with Nobu, right, like that
was a pretty badass fight sequence. The Yakuzo always kind
of has some like ninja guys. But I think, just yeah,
I was a little bit too grandiose, like you said,
for me, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't mind the grandiose, but I
would have liked it to be a little bit more
set up appropriately instead of how Stick just kind of
shares that information. Because yeah, you do get a lot
in this episode, like we already talked about, is when
Karen finds out about the Electra and Murdoch's bed. Yeah,
the CUK situation, and you have Murdoch finding out, Okay,
this boy assassin sneaks into his plays and it's just
a teenager, so that's not great. And Electra like kills him.
So there's a lot going on here too, and they
lost the case, right, So Nelson is now or fuck,
he's like, Matt, you ruined it, Like what's going on here? Like, yeah,
you've totally costed us everything. So it's just it's not
it's not good right now for our characters. And then
you have to top it all off, you have Castle
going to prison and Fisk is running the show now
and just basically giving him a job in prison, which
is just something else that's pretty crazy. But I I
I'm excited to talk about that because I do feel
like Fisk. I feel like he played his hands wrong
with how he used to punisher. It could have been
much better, but yeah, he was an idiot about it.
Speaker 1: No, I thought it was a fantastic reveal. I obviously
knew Fisk was still out there, but I like to
see him at the end there. I thought that was
really sweet set up and dangerous, right because you have
like a guy like Castle who it seemed like we're
going in the right directions. Then he's like, no, fucking guilty,
all of you motherfuckers, and then it seems like the
lawyers can't help him at all, and now he's just
he's even more pissed off now, and then he's getting
paired up with Fisk, who has the the tools to
really set him up on that rampage path. So I
was I was worried for everyone when that when that
reveal happened at the end there. But yeah, I I
found it though, how like they finally get part of me,
They finally get Frank to cooperate, and like, yeah, this
is what we're gonna do. Okay, we're all good. Wow,
he's gonna do it. That's amazing. And he gets on
the sign he's like, you motherfucker's up on a fucking murder,
all of you, paraphrasing hard whatever the hell he actually said,
but be Its just says he's guilty, and uh, just
goes to jail there and he's just so unhinged and
no one can really control this guy. I just kind
of chuckled when he freaks out there, because it's it's like, Wow,
they're actually gonna do something here, like this seems like
it's working. Then no, you motherfuckers, you're rotten hell and
I mean fair right, Like he's he's trying to really
showcase how corrupt and fucked up the whole DA is
and this whole trial is just not legitimate at all.
So I thought it was justified. Yeah, I mean I
would agree anything else. Episode eight, No, I got nothing,
You got nothing. Let's take another ad break here and
then we will sally forth, sally and forth. We got
seven minutes of heaven or no, seven minutes in Heaven.
Episode nine, Castle gets an offer he can't refuse from
who we might ask. That's not part of the description.
I threw that in Uh, Fuggy and Murdock questioned the
future of their firm, but Karen won't give up so easily. Yeah,
this is uh, this is the big shebang episode. This
is where we get Frank Castle wielding a shive, going
to take out the uh the kingpin of the prison.
I found it so funny the whole uh, the tough
guy like approaching Wilson Fisk here. It's like, hey, you're
the kingpin out there, well on the kingpin in here,
and I'm like, man, this is not gonna go well
at all. I feel like, I feel like Wilson wouldn't
have even cared if this guy didn't approach him and
do this whole thing. But that was the setup of everything.
He clearly has a big ego and you know, wants
to be the guy running everything, and I guess the
guy kind of kind of called him out right. He's like,
I know, you're kind you're the one that wants to
be running everything. Pretty juicy episode overall. I thought there's
a lot of good tension in here, and uh yeah,
what else happened in here? Oh yeah, I guess the
trial ended, and then Matt's really preoccupied with his Electra
stuff and everything else that's going on, and then Foggy's
really betrayed by his buddy, which again I think it's
totally justified. Like if Matt wasn't doing the Daredevil stuff,
they probably would have won that trial, right because Matt
would have been fully engaged in it in full hundred percent.
I mean Electro wouldn't have been involved, so they wouldn't
have lost that key witness. So yeah, it's it's funny
because early on I said I didn't love the whole
splitting up dynamic, But the more we like go through
these episode, I'm like, man, this is actually really justified
from Matt from Foggy's perspective. So yeah, yeah, I kind
of changing my tune a little bit on that, But
some great Fisk scenes. I mean, Vincent's just phenomenal throughout
the whole show, the whole portrayal of the character. So
getting him on the phone, kind of building up his crime,
you know, like like he brings in his lawyer guy
or whoever the hell that businessman is to just look
out for these people's families, right and like give them
some money and whatnot. He's just building up his army.
So I kind of like that being showcased here, just
the Kingpin being the kingpin. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get him not having a great start at first,
but yeah, just really turn it around in prison, and
it just it he uses Castle quite well. But I
feel like how he just tries to portray him when
he releases all like the Blacksmiths guys on him. Just
not I don't feel like that was smart because all
the guys die, Like Fists could have recruited those guys
into his crew for there's a lot of bodies, Like,
but you're telling me okay, like you have a whole
haul that just gets murdered. And then he lets Frank
Castle escape, Like just it blew my mind. Actually see
how much control Fisk actually had in here when he's
got all the cops just like letting him do whatever
he wants to do. Uh, Like no one is doing
a routine checkup and just seeing what's going on here,
because that's that's bad, Like that's really really bad. No
one's gonna ask questions like why Frank Castle was in
this part of the prison and just killed like thirty guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why the whole prison wing is just gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it just doesn't make much sense. But again
it's just it's whatever. It's just a plot, armor But
it's fine. I think that them having this connection of
this discussion and then Frank Castle just being like the
next time I see you, like you're you're done. I
like that he gets out, and he's got he's got
a general trajectory now where he's got to go and
what he's got to do to uncover more revenge on
his family. Right because he had a conversation with the Blacksmith,
the Blacksmith is basically telling him like, Okay, yeah, this
was like a whole like a whole thing set up
or no, he reveals he organized, Sorry, he wasn't the Blacksmith.
The guy in jail, in prison that Frank kills On
behalf of Fisk, organized the deal for a drug dealer
called the Blacksmith, and that where everyone's focal point kind
of hones in on trying to track this guy down afterwards,
So I miss spoke on that, But yeah, afterwards, when
you have a page just becoming more of a more
of a journalist instead of instead of just being a
secretary at a lawyer firm, I like that. I like
how she's here to get into the nity griddy and
she's finding some more information on things, and especially because
she confirms that we mentioned before with the the former
chief medical Officer Kyle, there was the kind of cover
up stuff with like the Castle family, but there was
another victim in this massacre and it was an undercover cop.
I think that's where I kind of got confused on
things because they were trying to hide that and it
was part of like a sting operation, and I think
they were hiding the sting operation because you didn't want
it to That just makes the cops look bad. They
put innocent people in harm's way, right, and then a
cop died and it just looks it looks really bad,
and the DA doesn't want that because the DA wants
to become the mayor. So it just gets really really wurky.
And then you have them finding that that hands farm
where they're harvesting people.
Speaker 1: It's just oh that was locked up. Yeah, that was gross.
The wild scene, it's funny. As we're going through this,
I'm like, man, there's a lot of similarities between Daredevil
and Batman actually, like like they don't really like I
guess Matt has heightened senses and everything, but like they're
just hand to hand crime fighters in a corrupt city
and they don't like to murder people, but they beat
the shit out of it, like, and they're investigating. Like
there's just so many similarities there, and yeah, like just
the whole dynamic of like trying to cover up like
the cop that got murdered and just the really dirty,
grimy stuff that's going on behind the scenes. And uh yeah,
maybe that's why I'm like in the character a lot.
But uh I, where was I gonna go with that?
In terms of Fisk mishandling the whole Punisher situation, I
think it's really just Fisk had no idea what this
guy was capable of. Like Fisk just sees all these
soldiers as okay, he like looks out for them to
get them loyal, but like, at the end of the day,
they're just pawns on his chessboard, right, Like he doesn't
really care too much about them. So sets up a
weapon in a situation take out a threat, which you know,
the weapon being the Punisher Frank Castle, and then it's like, okay,
let's just get rid of this situation fucking murders like
thirty people. Makes it out, it's like, oh, wow, this
guy's actually maybe I can't control this guy. Maybe I
don't want to control this guy. Maybe I just want
to set him in a direction and let him do
his thing. So that's why he sends them out of
prison to kind of just be a wild card out there,
and although he's not working for Fist directly, he's doing
things that benefit Fisk in many ways. So I did
like how that played out. I pretty much just like
Vincent Donofrio, you know, just on screen with John Bernthal,
like he's just so fantastic at playing that role and
just seeing him run this prison. Yeah, I definitely pose
some questions to myself on what you already highlighted of,
Like these prisoners not have families or like lawyers that
are like like checking in on them or anything. They're
just gonna be gone and no one's gonna question this
or anything.
Speaker 2: Like like the Fist ones have families, that's how you
manage to them, but not the other guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like like like no one's gonna realize that
Fisk is just running this prison. Like I guess they're
just really highlighting how corrupt it is, but like there's
no fucking warden of the prison or anything. Like. I
don't know, I was just it just seemed a little
silly to me that they don't even focus on explaining
any of that stuff. It's like, no, this is just
his town now. But yeah, whatever, I didn't really care
too much. I liked what we caught. Yeah, ending on
like the blood farm, that was just grotesque. I mean
it's happened a few times. Is the show of some
gross moments, but just that much blood, I feel like
I get like faint with blood too, Like if I'm
giving blood, I just start to get a little little queasy.
So just seeing all that, I wasn't feeling queasy, but
I'm like, man, that's a fucked up situation. They're just
literally farming these people for their their their life essence,
their their HP. So yeah, it was pretty gross. Anything
else we missed on this episode, I think we kind
of got. Well, actually this is where Karen gets her
office in Ben's play, so that was kind of a
nice wholesome moment.
Speaker 2: Other reporters like been here for ten years office?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the fuck?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool? Yeah, it's uh Sally Forth. Episode ten, The
Men in the Box, Murdoch and Foggy get caught in
the crossfire. The Punishers revenge, Karen and Murdoch dig for
the truth in very different ways. I didn't really check
what the juice was of this episode. I know this
was the one where Matt and Wilson and get a
sit down. You know, that's always a spicy situation you
get those two on screen together. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's where Fisk kind of suspects something more to.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 2: He doesn't think that he's Daredevil, but I think he
thinks that there's something here worth investigating, because he kind
of like puts those feelers out right to pursue Hi.
Because it was just I think it was it was
weirdly unprompted why he would just pop up there, And
I think again that was emotionally compromised Matt doing that.
He should have been a little bit more careful on
how he played this, especially because he realized, like, hey,
Fisk just broke out of his cuffs and just assaulted
him and like there's no penance for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's it. Like I totally
agree with you. I don't think it's uh he knows
exactly as Daredevil is. Just there's something more to this
blind lawyer, you know, like break breaking out of the
cuffs and like grabbing him and fucking intimidating them like
that would scare any man, Oh yeah, into uh cowardice.
But the fact that He's just kind of hole in
his ground there and not really flinching when this giant
mass of a man just puts his big, grimy myths
on him. I like to set up with his lawyer,
it's like you will address him as mister Fisk and
has all these things Like I just like all the
like the clean business tactics that like Wilson Fisk has,
not just like the kingpin side of it, Like he
is very clean and professional, I think with everything, Like
his lawyer even gets it, all the documents made in braille,
you know, to like to like look out from Matt,
like just all those things. It's like it doesn't really
have to do that, but it just makes him more
than just like a grimy crime boss, right like like
he I think I'm struggling to say it, but it's
just it's more of like a professional stamp that the
Kingpin has to that character, and I just I like
all that stuff. It's it was seen throughout season one
and again in season two, even when he's in prison,
it seems like a formal meetium and then Matt walks
out of there just bleeding out of his mouth. Yeah,
what else happens in here? We have. I can't. I
don't think this is the episode where Claire quits the hospital.
I think it's coming up the next week's.
Speaker 2: The next next episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is the episode where we start to
see like the zombies kind of showcase, like they don't
do too much, but they just like I think at
the end is where they start to awake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they get sent to Claire here at her
hospital secretly because they don't get them registered as patients
because they want to keep it low key, and so
Claire is giving them treatment. Of course, Castle's escaped at
this point, and oh, this is the DA agent gets Yeah,
and they set it up like it is Frank that
does that. But I mean, and you you want to
believe it too, because we learned the DA admits to
uh Murdoch and Foggy and Karen that hey, I am,
I am with the big reasons here. I set up
the sting and we chose not to move civilians out
of the area.
Speaker 1: Keep it authentic, keep it genuine.
Speaker 2: And you know, Castle's family got asked and now here
she is trying to put Castle away like it's just
you can see, Okay, she definitely made some significant faults,
but this is how things went, so that's unfortunate. But
uh yeah, it's it paints the picture that he has
done it. But I think at this point I want
to say that it's Clancy Brown that's kind of pulling
the string here now and trying or was it. I
don't think it was fists because Fisk wanted him out
to eliminate his opponents out in the outside right now.
But I painted this as being Clancy Brown's character that
was just kind of like leading the charge and trying
to like get him into more hot water. That's why
later on we know that Frank Castle it. Well, Frank
Castle admits with Karen Page. I think in the next
episode like like hey, I'm innocent, and then these guys
kind of like tail in and into the diner and
go after him and so yeah, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I I thought it was a good setup.
It's funny. His character almost reminds me of Gerard Butler
from Law Abiding Citizen, where he's just like he just
he's going against like the people that are running the
show here. So I very much thought it was Frank
actually killing the DA and that's where I'm like Wow,
they're really painting him as a villain like in this show,
not just as an anti hero. So I and I
like the scene. I like how the DA agent is
like a totally different what's the word I'm looking for,
which is a total different Uh yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly,
Like it's not just we're getting this guy out and
I'm gonna be the mayor. It's like, oh no, I'm
scared for my family's life and everything. She's wearing the sweatpants.
She's very different set up. Nobody wants to die in
a sweatsuit, but she certainly did. So Yeah, I thought
it was good. I really again, I totally thought it
was Frank so to get into next week's episode. When
next week's episode, next episode, when Frank saves Karen, and
it's like, okay, no, this is very much not him
because he's not the one pulling the trigger here. So
I'd like the whole mystery aspect to it. I like
how even though he is out of prison, I guess
I'm gonna have myself the next episode. But I like
how even though he is out of prison, he's not
just like, yeah, I'm gonna murder everyone now, like it's
still he still is. He's still the guy that we
saw when he was handcuffed on the hospital bed, like
talking to Karen and like there is more to the story.
It's not like he's been through all this fist try
to kill him. He's still so mad that he wants
to just murder everyone, Like there is still some of
he wants to get his side of it out, and
he feels like Karen is the one that can really
get to it. So I really really liked I think
just his mindset after being set free from prison, just
because it's different than what I would expected. I would
have expected him to go in there, guns of blazing
and murdering everyone I would have expected, and him to
be the one that killed the DA Like it's totally
you know, murders never justified, But in that moment, I'm like,
I feel like his actions are kind of justified here,
like like he's actually going over the corrupt, going after
the corrupt, corrupt people, even though he might have, you know,
caught Foggy in astray. If Foggy takes a bullet here
like a champ, you know, doesn't let it slow him down.
But I don't know it's kind of spewing a lot
of stuff out there. What else happens? We also get
Daredevil and Claire interacting on the roof a little bit
more of a dynamic there. I don't really remember what
they talked about, but.
Speaker 2: Because he's he just knows he has to stick out
the hospital and protect these guys, the zombie bodies.
Speaker 1: All right, Oh, this is actually the episode where Daredevil
saves Karen. It's like right at the end, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because is Karen's co worker get killed here in the
end of this or is at the start of the next.
Speaker 1: One our co worker with co worker.
Speaker 2: Remember there's the one coworker who's like in there with
with Karen when the hand and so with Leclaire and
uh oh yes, tacks and they just like clean cut
her down. It's like, holy shit, Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah that happens next episode. I believe, Yeah, because because
at the end they like show the zombies like waking up,
and then that's like the setup in the next week's episode.
I keep saying that, like, it's not a binge model,
even though this is it's not an old show. But yeah,
and then we have Electra.
Speaker 2: Se I think it might be a flashback, but she's
got a hit on her now, right because Stick is like,
oh your weak sauce, like, I'm going to take you down.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's one hundred percent right. Uh. I don't
think this episode. Oh yeah, this episode is where she
she kicks ass. I'm so lost. This is like the
era of the show when I feel like I was
just watching like all these episodes back to back, so
they're all mixed in my mind. Yeah, okay, let's let's
let's go on. Let's go on the next episo. So, uh,
unless you want something else to say, Taylor, No, okay.
Episode eleven three point three eight zero. Oh, I guess
it's the caliber of a bullet. Karen starts working with
Frank to bring the mysterious Blacksmith down. Claire quits her
job at the hospital's administration are trying to keep her silent.
Matt visits Madame Goo to get information on Blacksmith. Cool cool, cool, Yeah,
this is uh. It sets up with the zombies, the
blood zombies just popping off in the hospital here. I
was really surprised that we even had like zombies in here.
This is again getting into like a little bit more
of a fantasy realm or like mythological threat, and I
just wasn't loving it too much. I don't know what
about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't super on board with it. Like, and
when we say zombies, like, we're not We're not saying
like they're just walking around like biting people making they
were just like brain dead zombies, just but they were
murderous because they killed one of the hospital's staff that
looked like and then Claire walks in is like, Okay,
this isn't good and like backs off from them, and
they all just kind of chill because there is like
they're in like a standby mode, waiting for the hand
to grab them and take them away. So that's what happens.
The hand comes, Claire's coworker gets bopped, and Daredevil's there
fighting and trying to take them down, and after everything,
Claire gets to keep her job before quitting. She quits
ultimately at the end, but they were pissed off because
she filed these people in without filing them, didn't process
them into the system, which is a big no no.
But the hospitals then just sweeping it all under the
rug because we have staff members that died and they see, Okay,
the guys that were killed had autopsy marks on them
from like dying before and being cut open, and the
hospital's like, yeah, we're just gonna sweep this all under
the rug. And it justs to show how corrupt that
all really really is. And I think that's you know,
Claire's someone that maybe believed in Daredevil at the start,
but then drifted away from him because she didn't believe
in this sort of justice and how brutal he was.
And so now she's like, you know what, I'm just
going to go into what I do and help people.
We can find other ways to do this. But then
she's seeing, hey, the system is corrupt, and I think
after quitting, she's going to be leaning more into the realm, like, yeah,
well we do need a Daredevil because these people aren't
going to do anything about this. They're just taking a
check and moving on. That's it. So I like that
dynamic a lot, and I like getting a little bit
more of Claire kind of flushing out this corruption. And
I liked how the story is really diving more into Okay,
we got to find the blacksmith and paging castle, so
it's the blacksmiths men that are confronting him here, and
Castle really does a good job at tracking him down,
and then you have I guess Madame Goo was the
one who gave Daredevil the details on where to find Blacksmith,
and she hasn't be seen for a while, so she
just pops up here and she's in her underground bunker,
just sipping tea and just doing her own thing. I
don't get like I think they're trying to make it
out like she's very threatening and very intimidating and she
has a lot of power, but she's just when I
see her on screen, I don't feel like this is
a big, badass villain.
Speaker 1: And not because she.
Speaker 2: Just looks like a very sweet old lady. It's just
she's just she doesn't strike me as just like the
like why would the people of this organization be like
listening to her and like respecting her. I just I
don't feel like I've seen that set up for her
character yet to be that that kind of villain. So
when we see her here all of a sudden season
two and haven't seen her yet and she just has
this dominating essence to her, I don't feel it. I
don't feel like that essence is there even though they're
trying to instigate it into it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the point though, right supposed to
be like subvert your expect not expectations you're suspicions of,
Like she'd be the last that is the person I
would expect, you know, to be in this situation. You
don't always see her flexing her power like you see
you know, like season you see Wilson fist just chop
a guy heads off with the with the car door,
Like you never see Lady Gou do that, even though
I'm sure she's capable of some evil herself. I liked
when Daredevil like approaches her and like her backups coming,
like tell tell him to back off or I'll break
their legs. And she's like, okay, yeah, I believe that
you'll do that, so please don't kill all my men.
But uh yeah no, I I kind of lost my
train thought there was gonna go Lady Goo. We have
some more, yeah, a lot more Punisher and Karen in
this episode, which I always love. They're they're really great together.
I liked at the end how again, like Daredevil just
just is always always interrupting the Punisher from like just
doing what he wants to do, and he's just at
this point, he's just getting so frustrated and like annoyed
that like he's even there. It's just like, oh man,
I have to deal with this guy. It's like, are
you fucking kidding me? Like back off Red, Like I like,
just let me fucking do my own thing, let me
murder these people, Like I'm so just angry and upset.
But he's just this angel well I guess he's an
angel and devil's clothing that just keeps appearing and tells
him not to murder these people. These are other people
that you want to get uh And honestly, at this point,
like he doesn't even care, like just let me murder someone,
like I'm just so pissed off and angry, and then
he starts fighting back to Daredevil. There big ship explosion
happens on in this episode. Yeah, no, I thought it
was I thought it was Juicy I I I think
there is some good dynamic between I believe. This episode
starts with uh Claire not Claire, sorry, Karen and uh
Matt having like some just heated discussion how she's been
pretty pissed off at him rightfully, so as well, and
then she just progresses to go on with Frank Castle
and work with him investigating a little bit more. So
I think overall it was really solid. I think I
like the Claire things the least, but it was still
kind of a spicy sequence where you're just showcasing how
much corruption there is. It's not just with the people
running the show, whether it's the DA or the mayor, Like,
even the healthcare system is fucked up and corrupt. So yeah,
I'm curious what's gonna happen now with Claire because she's
kinda every time we see her, she's just like working
at the hospital. But does this allow her to just,
I don't know, do more of a thing where she's
working a lot more with the rest of the crew
and everything moving forward, I'm not too sure. I guess
the other thing too that happens here is Electra. He's
trying to murder Stick now, right, She's pissed off at him.
I believe that's how the episode ends. She's staring down
mister Stick. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Cool. I have anything
else to say on that, So I'm gonna keep on going.
Episode twelve, the penultimate episode, The Dark at the end
of the tunnel, Daredevil goes underground save an old friend.
Karen follows a dangerous lead. The law firm of Nelson
and Murdoch may have reached its final chapter. Done done, dum.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: This episode actually was where we get the Electra flashbacks
where you have Stick kind of raising her and teaching
her everything that she knows. She's a certified badass even
as a kid. Right, she like fucks up that one
guy and then the guy. Like I thought it was
so funny because it's as if you're like a school bully,
like you embarrassed me out there, but it's just like
adult like going up to this like little like ten
year old girl and like she just like fucks them up.
I don't know, I found it kind of funny. Just oh,
you embarrass me out there. Now I'm gonna teach you
a lesson. It's just such a corny thing. I just
always think of Flash Thompson. You know, we'll want to
fight me either, like that that type of set up there.
But yeah, I know, we just get some electri five.
Here is this everything that you wanted? Taylor? Yeah, I
mean it's this is what it is.
Speaker 2: I agree. It was pretty corny, like they're in some
secret underground war and their training and he gets embarrassed,
I mean, just get better, like going like think you're
gonna kick you You're gonna kick her ass without supervision.
No'll kick your ass again, which she does. So I
don't know what his his goal was in this position,
but it ultimately leads to his master star that guy
getting killed by stick because that guy's like, you know,
we need to execute or like she's the bad guy
and we know at this point, okay, she has she's
the Black Skuy, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't think it's revealed here. I think
it's it comes out maybe at the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we go through
a little bit more here because we have Nobu who's back,
and Noboo's stirring the pot and fighting.
Speaker 1: I forgot to say that last episode as well. I
think I think it was the last episode of the
episode before that is where they reveal like basically the
back to tank, right, like the resurrection chamber that we
don't even know what it is at this point. I
was kind of intrigued by the inclusion of it because
I don't know if I didn't know if a monster
was going to come out of it or whatnot, but
it was. It was a cool setup at least because
they believe they have all like the blood connected to
that thing. Initially, yes, yes, yeah, so that's how Nobu's
come back, and he's just crazier than ever.
Speaker 2: It seems like he's been back a few times by
the sounds of it. But yeah, so they, like Electra
and Durnabile, they find Stick in this episode and they
managed to not kill him. And this is where Stick
gives them like the advice like listen to the breathing and.
Speaker 1: What else do you got here?
Speaker 2: You have the article that Karen is working on because
they think after the ship explosion that Frank is dead
and like you were alluding to, you have a dangerous
encounter with Karen. And so Karen is getting set up
with Clancy Brown, and I.
Speaker 1: Thought like she she was gonna leave, everything was going
to be fine.
Speaker 2: And so when Clancy Brown all of a sudden makes
this like dangerous bold move, I was like, oh shit, okay,
oh this isn't good. Got on his wrong foot and
like he just has that demeanor to him where it's like, man,
you don't want to be on this man's a bad side.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, no, you've seen Dexter new Blood and we
know what this guy is capable of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, but I I you know, this is
where we learned that he's a blacksmith and things kind
of turned sideways here and he's just talking shittily about
about Frank Castle. Yeah, so it turns sideways really really fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, absolutely, I honestly kind of forgot about that
sequence when he pulls the gun on her. Yeah, so
I completely agree with everything you said. There some good
se sequence between Electra and Matt. This is where she's
saying like, I'm gonna kill Stick and he's like, I'm
gonna save Stick. It's like, well, you get in my way,
I'm gonna kill you too, and they just fall on
get mac in. Just some good tension there. It's only that,
like when she was introduced, assumed we were going to
get to this point where they are finally at you know,
button heads with each other, and but this is where
it really gets set up. As you already said, this
is where they kind of reveal that she's the Black
Sky and I don't know, I I feel like her
switch to Nobus side. I feel like I feel like
it wasn't like rushed or anything like. I feel like
it made sense, But when it happened, I was still
just like, really like, that's what we're gonna do here.
So I'm a little bit torn on just the whole
twist there, I guess. And then of course that's going
to tie in to how the season ended with a
little reveal there, But I don't know. Just initially I
was a little bit it seemed easy for her to
just go over to the to the Nobu side and
join the hand there. But even though like it makes sense,
I guess to have it in that situation because she's
been a murderer this whole time, Like she she's no
issues killing people. She seems very extreme, and then when
they just set her up on being this like ultimate thing. Yeah,
I don't know. I was just a little bit fifty
to fifty on it. Obviously we'll see what happens next
season with everything that's continuing on from this episode or yeah,
not just this episode but the season overall. But I
was a little little fifty to fifty on the reveal.
I think m Well said, we have Frank and Karen.
At the end, Frank's going to his little shack of goodies.
There just some good dialogue with the two of them.
Speaker 2: That's after he killed uh the blacksmith, right, Yeah, Clancy
Brown out of the car accident. Yeah, a little shack
with all the gizmos, paints his best.
Speaker 1: Uh. I just love Clancy Brown. He's fantastic. I don't
think I have anything really else to highlight, Like I
might have missed some some Karen and Uh. I don't
even know the guy's name, but the guy from the
I want to say the bugle, but that's definitely not
what it is. The bulletin, that's what it is. They
had some good stuff together, Foggy and Matt sayingbye. Yeah,
that's kind of wow. Here we are the end of
all things. The finale episode, of course, I fucking closed this.
I closed it. You just say it.
Speaker 2: Cold Day and Hell's Kitchen.
Speaker 1: Yes. In the season finale, a boxed in Fisk and
a desperate Murdock. Foggy and Karen are forced to play
their end games. Very generic finale ending. I feel like
you can kind of say that about any season ending,
But anyways, I thought it was pretty spicy finale. I
kind of already alluded to the like the cliffhanger. I
didn't really think she was gonna die up until the
point where she's actually dying. And by her, I mean Electra.
I just felt like she's a solid character that would
have been moving on to the next season. So when
she was actually you know, like bleeding out and everything,
I was pretty shocked. I thought it was a pretty
significant death. But then at the end when they have
her and like the again like the back to tank thing,
I'm just like, Okay, yeah, this makes sense and this
is this is a spicy reveal. Sorry to just start
the end, but I just thought it was a really
cool way to end this season and get a set
up for next season. And again, like as soon as
it ended, I'm like, man, I just want to start
the next episode, Like, let's go. I already uh you
know minor spoiler saw episode one is called Resurrection, So
I'm like, yeah, this is they're they're going for it here.
But what do you think of this finale, Taylor?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it. It was it was a good conclusion, uh, Leah,
And like you said, studying at the end here with
her death, I really thought she was a gone, gone goner.
But then I thought, in the back of my head, like, okay, well,
even in like the original Daredevil movie, like she does
get resurrected, so she does come back, and I thought,
we'll probably gonna see in some shape or form that
happen here.
Speaker 1: Like the ben Affleck one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she dies, she dies in that one, but I
remember that movie. She comes back for her own movie, right,
So she has and I think she faces the hand
in that sequel actually, so yeah, she definitely has her own,
uh resurrection kind of story attributed to her. Uh So, yeah,
I wasn't sure if we're gonna when we're gonna get that.
But then obviously in this extra the scene we got
where they're kind of throwing her body in the ancient device,
that okay, yeah, they're they're doing it. They want their
their black sky. This is important for them, So there's that.
But also in this this ending here we get Daredevil
revealing to Karen like, hey, I'm Matt Murdoch, which I
really liked, and that was the hook because I thought, man,
I gotta hit I gotta play this next episode. But
I thought, nope, I'm not going to do it. I
need to wait, we need to review this first before
and that was the hook. I really wanted to see
what fall out of that was going to be.
Speaker 1: And it's it feels like it's a good pace to
have it, right, Like season one we get Fallow find out,
and then season two at the end we have Karen
find out. Three Fisk will find out probably well maybe Taylor. Yeah, no,
I I thought it was a really fun way to end.
How you have, like the it's kind of like an
end credit, honestly, like the Electra thing. I know it's
not an actual end credit, but that's how it feels
at least. And then the Karen thing. I like that
the like they're sticking together. I think it was at
some point in this episode. You have you have freaking
uh what's her name? She was in accolade, we have Trinity.
What's that actress's name? She was offering Foggy a job, right,
carry Am Moss, that's her name. Yeah, I was surprised
to see her in here. I think she's fantastic and
everything I've seen her in. Yeah, we have I can't
remember his name, but the guy that makes the suits
and everything for Daredevil, he gives him his uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy from Avatar.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he is an avatar. That's so funny.
He's like the marine guy is the marine guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, both avatars comes back as one of the nave
in the sequel.
Speaker 1: Is he the one that like wakes up the colonel
and then he just gets punched in the face like
Colonel Boom, just fucking deck some I've seen that in
so many memes now of just like when my significant
other wakes me up from my nap. It's just like, anyways, Uh,
that's funny. I did not remember him from Avatar, but
now that's all I see. Yeah. No, I I think
this was a really good finale, Like it wrapped up
kind of everything. I think there's some really good moments
between Elektra and Daredevil, like before like the finale where
they're just kind of kind of having a heart to
heart and like it seems like they're the closest they've
been like throughout the whole season. But it also realizes that,
like it's not like they're just gonna have like a
nice happy ending where they just sail off in the sunset.
They kind of talk about stuff like that. But I
thought it was a good moment leading into the big
finale clash with the just Ninja guidance scene where you
have no bou come in. Of course that's what leads
to poor Electra standing off in the sunset. You got
the Punisher wearing all the gear and everything. Like, I thought,
it was a really solid finale for although maybe there
are certain moments throughout this season I wasn't the highest on.
I think this was a really good way to end it.
And yeah, it made me wanting more. I mean, we
have Karen writing her little memoirs article thing, and yeah,
we already kind of talked about the ending. I thought
it was really solid. I can't remember the Punisher just
like fucks off, right, he just wanders off in the sunset.
Speaker 2: He just goes off to his season, his show. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be in the other area of Netflix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: We have Stick and Daredevil kind of saying goodbye to
Electra at the grave site there. Stick's probably gonna appear
in season three.
Speaker 2: I don't oh, he's he's a consistently occurring car.
Speaker 1: I don't love him, but I guess I'll just accept
my fade here. And I can't remember what what's the
dynamic between Matt and Karen. Are they like gonna try
their romance still or is it like it didn't really
work out so well?
Speaker 2: It didn't work out, but I think, I mean, she
didn't know the whole truth, and so now that he's
revealed like, hey, I'm daredevil, I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Feel that's why I want to start episode one right
after this. Actually, I feel like she's gonna be.
Speaker 2: I think she'll be mad, but I think she's gonna
just like jump on him because I think she definitely
was crashed on Parnevil. Oh, so I think she'll be
a lot closer to She'll be a lot closer to
Matt over the Foggy was apprehensive and didn't like it,
and I think she's gonna be the opposite. She's gonna
be more closer to Matt about that, And I think
it's gonna maybe drive more of a wedge with Foggy
and his relationship, because Foggy is like, you know, you're
gonna get Karen hurt, like he's gonna be probably, or
it might go the other way. Maybe Foggy would be happy,
like thank you for telling care and now we all know,
and now we can all be like the Three Amigos
again kind of a thing, So.
Speaker 1: That probably is going to be the outcome. Yeah, it
seems like she's the one that was almost defending Daredevil's
actions a lot of the time. I mean, yeah, in
this season, she's defending Punisher's actions. And then that's when,
right Matt. I think Matt actually like sends her home
because he starts getting all religious right with him being
like a Catholic and like super against murder, and she's
kind of saying it's not all bad, and he's just
to him it's it's it's the worst thing in the world, which,
like I I guess it's to his beliefs. I feel
like Matt does a lot of morally questionable things though
that like like he just seems a little bit hypocritical
in certain aspects, but as part of as it's part
of his religious takes, so who knows. But yeah, no,
I don't really have like much else to say, Like,
it's it's a pretty pretty like what you'd expect finale,
like big clash and then just some little setups for
next week. But I overall, I thought it was just
a really good way to end the season and Yeah, No,
I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was good.
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's at this point.
Speaker 2: This happened a couple episodes ago, but he's got his
new suit repaired and he got his new upraated weapon
from the Elliot Taylor guy, which very very cool. So
he's all he's at like one hundred percent customization. Now
he's got all his he's got all the unlocks, he's
got all the unlocked Yeah, so it's it was a
good It was a good finale. I really liked it,
and like I already said, it just it set me
up for really wanting to see the what happens next,
So I'm excited to get into season three.
Speaker 1: Totally cool. That's it. That's season two baby. One more
episode to do you, Taylor, and then we're ont Daredevil
Born Again. One more episode. How's it feel?
Speaker 2: It feels good. I mean, then we got to do
like seasons one two Punisher, and then.
Speaker 1: We got to do uh oh god, I didn't realize
we committed to that, Taylor.
Speaker 2: I think I like, just for my own benefit, I'll
probably just sneak through Defenders just to see what happens
with Oh yeah, Charlie. Cox's character, and then maybe I'll
revisit like some of the Sheahawks stuff with Daredevil and
watch that one episode of Echo, actually just the five
minutes of Echo that have him.
Speaker 1: I do think I am going to watch Punisher just
because I'm really digging that, and I did watch some
of it like the first time around. But yeah, anyways, Yeah,
there is there a certain rating you'd give this season.
I feel like I'm pretty on power with season one. Honestly,
I can't exactly remember what I gave that season one.
I think it was just like a perfect ten. I
think there's some minor nitpicks, but overall, like it is
pretty same quality. I think as we entered the review,
I assumed I was gonna put this one lesser, but
I mean, as we're going through it, there's some some
good juicies things that I think. Although I still maybe
picked season one over season two, like very very slightly,
it's still really good, really good quality. All the acting
performances is really phenomenal, and uh yeah, so i'd put
it the same as season one.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what I gave season one, but I
would I'd probably agree I would give season one the
edge over this one, but I still really like this.
There's just a lot of storylines and it does get
a little bit convoluted, and that's probably my only con
I really have. I would still probably say this is
up around like an eight out of ten. Whatever I
wish would have went back, but whatever I put for
that first season. If I did go a ten out
of ten, then that's great, but I would I would
just say whatever that first season is, this would be
one point below that in terms of rating, just because
I prefer that first season over the second one. But again,
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Nice, cool, that's it. That's all. Everyone. Tune in next
time for episode three, well season three, but the Daredevil retro.
Bye bye, bye bye