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Speaker 1: on a little bit of lemon spree, a lemon spread
Speaker 1: on a lemon spray atty bed, feeling nor elfes.
Speaker 3: Feeling only your fees.
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Speaker 1: willow versus huge.
Speaker 4: Says a little bitch, says a little back says a
Speaker 4: little proto.
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Speaker 1: good it mustard love with a hobby. Didn't you try
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Speaker 3: Something?
Speaker 5: Oh, the song is actually pretty awesome.
Speaker 6: Forgot about this one thirty thousand chad thirty thousand chad nerds,
Speaker 6: thirty thousand can you hear meny nerds?
Speaker 5: He ain't thirty thousand chad nerds anymore.
Speaker 6: We're almost two hundred dollars of chatards, and then it's
Speaker 6: gonna be five hundred thousand, and it's gonna be a million.
Speaker 7: Chats amid the ruins from the solo Baby. Alright, this
Speaker 7: is a last song, and.
Speaker 6: I we're tarting, y'all ready for the double seven depatm
Speaker 6: thirty thousand chad Nerds, thirty thousand chad Nerds, three hundred
Speaker 6: thousand chad Nerds. That's next up. Look how far we
Speaker 6: come from thirty thousand chad Nerds to three hundred thousand
Speaker 6: chad Nerds. I'm gonna say in a year or two
Speaker 6: worst case scenario. But I'm not Derek myth visions, so
Speaker 6: I don't have the ability to prophesize exactly how many
Speaker 6: followers I'll have. Oh wait a minute, his prophesizing failed,
Speaker 6: false prophet exposed. All right, it's open for him.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 6: I think I packed too many things in. I don't
Speaker 6: know if we're gonna be able to get to everything,
Speaker 6: but we'll take some calls. I'm gonna try to go
Speaker 6: through the next section of old Boys, the geopolitical text
Speaker 6: that I'm reading right now. As you guys know, we're
Speaker 6: reading through the history of the OSS and the CAA
Speaker 6: from the Council Form Relations itself, the official historian of
Speaker 6: that group or one of the Official Council Form Relation
Speaker 6: Member historians Burton. So that will be the next section
Speaker 6: that we work through. Let's take a couple of calls
Speaker 6: right away, since we've got people waiting. What's up, man, anything,
Speaker 6: anything you want to talk about. It's open for him, y'all.
Speaker 6: I just get to sit back and look pretty.
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: I can hear you.
Speaker 9: It was I had a question about like related to
Speaker 9: like philosophy.
Speaker 6: Okay, I was expecting to get in because.
Speaker 4: It's sorry, because I don't know how these spaces.
Speaker 6: Work, so like I wasn't expecting you to get in either,
Speaker 6: consider yourself.
Speaker 4: So basically I've heard you.
Speaker 9: Use You're talking about tag argument and you're like, oh,
Speaker 9: ultimately the laws of people, like ultimately, like argumentation becomes circular.
Speaker 9: And then I'm not trying to like point out like
Speaker 9: a confronation or anything like that or like that you're
Speaker 9: making a fallacy, but I just want to know the difference.
Speaker 9: So you'll use that.
Speaker 4: But then you'll like call out the Muslims and.
Speaker 9: They hate is like you'll bring up your whiteboard so
Speaker 9: how like they're making a fallacy.
Speaker 6: With Yeah, it's two different two different levels or tiers
Speaker 6: of philosophy. At the paradigm level, we're arguing that you
Speaker 6: can't escape being recursive or self referencing. So in other words,
Speaker 6: at a certain level, everybody's worldview will be ultimately self referencing.
Speaker 6: So in other words, at some point you'll bottom out
Speaker 6: to where you can't appeal to any other higher authority.
Speaker 6: There's nothing else you could appeal to. So for example,
Speaker 6: if you think about language, right, if I say, well,
Speaker 6: can you define language or explain how language works without
Speaker 6: using words? No, you can't. It's impossible. So there's something
Speaker 6: The way paradigms or even set theory itself works is
Speaker 6: that at a certain point they become self referencing. That's
Speaker 6: not the same thing as the fallacy of circular reasoning.
Speaker 6: So two different domains, two different paradigms. So, for example,
Speaker 6: if a Muslim says that the Old Testament is false
Speaker 6: and corrupted, and we know this from the Quran, and
Speaker 6: you can check the Quran against the Old Testament, that's
Speaker 6: a contradictory, you know, circular type of argument. That's not
Speaker 6: the same thing as saying at a certain level, all
Speaker 6: arguments become self referencing. Another example, logic, can you prove
Speaker 6: logic without assuming logic? No, because making an argument for
Speaker 6: logic assumes the thing in question. So that's why it's
Speaker 6: two different levels of argumentation. The circularity fallacy is usually
Speaker 6: at a more mundane level, or when it comes to
Speaker 6: it's like first order versus second order reasoning.
Speaker 9: Gotcha, Okay, that makes more sense. Like I kind of
Speaker 9: viewed it that way, but you kind of put.
Speaker 4: The words to it to make it make sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So appreciate a great question. Yeah, that's a question
Speaker 6: that comes up quite a bit. So a good one.
Speaker 6: But Buddha, Buddha, the Buddha's calling in y'all time to
Speaker 6: practice some detachment. Uh, why would y'all practice some detachments
Speaker 6: with the super chats with your wallet and support the
Speaker 6: streams through superchats. Superchats are done through your stream labs,
Speaker 6: or you can do it natively through YouTube as well.
Speaker 6: What's up? Hello, am I? You are you are here?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 3: Let's go?
Speaker 11: Okay, So I want to challenge you on an idea, right,
Speaker 11: So I love Jesus, I do love the teachings of
Speaker 11: Buddho too. I know that may seem contradictory to you,
Speaker 11: but I want to.
Speaker 3: Know where from the Gospels that Jesus is calling himself
Speaker 3: ontologically God.
Speaker 6: I don't see that. You want to know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like I don't understand, like, for instance, he I.
Speaker 6: Want to know what love is. I want you to
Speaker 6: show me what love is.
Speaker 5: I want to know what love is.
Speaker 2: What show.
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 6: So have you read Have you read John One?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I have. But I don't think that that's saying that
Speaker 3: Jesus is solo God.
Speaker 6: Well he's not. He's not solo God because the word
Speaker 6: God is a generic term and can be used for
Speaker 6: different things. So for example, God the Father is also
Speaker 6: called God. The Holy Spirit is called God, and so likewise,
Speaker 6: Jesus is calling himself in John one, the son of
Speaker 6: the Father, who is identical to him in nature but
Speaker 6: different from him in terms of a person or hypostasis.
Speaker 11: But John one is not written by Jesus, and that's
Speaker 11: not what he said, like when he's quoted like for instance,
Speaker 11: in the Gospel.
Speaker 6: You understand that nothing is written by Jesus. No, but
Speaker 6: let me explaence you right, but hold on, but slow
Speaker 6: down because you understand that jesusn't actually write anything that
Speaker 6: we know of. You understand that I.
Speaker 4: Think quotes from him in the Gospel contradicted there.
Speaker 6: Who wrote the quotes? So first of all, who wrote
Speaker 6: the quotes?
Speaker 4: Okay, but it doesn't matter who I'm saying Jesus.
Speaker 6: If it doesn't matter, then it does doesn't matter that
Speaker 6: he didn't write anything. So that just destroyed your own argument.
Speaker 4: No, you're not even letting me say what Jesus is.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to let you move on until you
Speaker 6: stop making fallacious arguments. So does it matter who wrote
Speaker 6: it or not?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Okay, So if Jesus didn't write down the parts that
Speaker 6: you're saying that Jesus said, then that undercuts your argument.
Speaker 11: No, it doesn't, because I believe that people who wrote
Speaker 11: it down were writing what he really said.
Speaker 6: Okay, then you have to believe John One because that's
Speaker 6: the same author of the other parts that Jesus.
Speaker 3: Said that contradiction you what. Okay?
Speaker 9: So he says God the Father knows everything, and I
Speaker 9: don't know everything he.
Speaker 6: Says he doesn't. So hold on one text at a time,
Speaker 6: one text at a time. And John One, you just
Speaker 6: said that you do believe John's testimony. He says that
Speaker 6: the Son is Stop interrupting me. He says, the Son
Speaker 6: is the Word of the Father and is God. Yeah, Christ,
Speaker 6: this is too stupid to even wait. We're not We're done.
Speaker 6: So this is not ara. It's not a rational person. Again,
Speaker 6: if you come in with like multiple fallacies within the
Speaker 6: first five twenty seconds, we're done. It's not a rational person.
Speaker 6: Can't get any more with that person. Tzar, what's up?
Speaker 6: So again, Christ is a specific term from Hebrew theology.
Speaker 6: Christ means the anointed one, the Mahiach, the Messiah. There
Speaker 6: are not many Messiahs, not many Christs. The Buddha is
Speaker 6: not a Christ because it doesn't even make sense because
Speaker 6: it's not a Buddhist term. What's up, man? What are
Speaker 6: you banging? Ship? What's going on? Its busy?
Speaker 4: As something?
Speaker 6: A good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, just want there is something that I wanted to
Speaker 13: ask about.
Speaker 4: In terms of geopositive.
Speaker 6: It has to do with Orthodox Ya. He wasn't to
Speaker 6: talk about that, Okay, get to it.
Speaker 13: So I do understand that the patriarch in Constantinople granted
Speaker 13: Ortoseephony to the schismatic Church in Ukraine and whatnot but
Speaker 13: I notice an issue because I'm from South Africa, and
Speaker 13: not an issue that the Mission of South Africa is
Speaker 13: headed by the patriarch in Alexandria.
Speaker 4: That's his jurisdiction.
Speaker 13: We're seeing Russian jurisdiction coming into Africa without what would
Speaker 13: be the word approval from the Alexandrian patriarch, so much
Speaker 13: so that they're even paying off Greek bishop of Greek
Speaker 13: priests and deacons to work as Russian priest and deacons
Speaker 13: rather than the Greeks.
Speaker 4: Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 6: But I mean there's always been these jurisdictional squabbles and problems,
Speaker 6: but the real person who's that fault here is the
Speaker 6: patriarch Constantinople. And if you go to the Union of
Speaker 6: Orthodox Journalist's website, they just posted a bunch of things
Speaker 6: on that today exposing Bartholomew Todd. What's up, toad? Excuse me, toad,
Speaker 6: the wet sprocket, what's up?
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 15: I just wanted to kind of respond to that Buddha guy,
Speaker 15: if that's okay.
Speaker 4: And explain why we don't struggle with the whole is.
Speaker 16: Jesus God thing or.
Speaker 6: If that's okay, with you, Okay, just make it quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure.
Speaker 15: So you know, when you look at worship, it requires sacrifice.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean killing an animal.
Speaker 15: And you look at worship, it's offering hospitality to a deity.
Speaker 6: The Eucharist kind of flips that on its head.
Speaker 15: Christ offers us the Eucharist with the authority of God.
Speaker 15: It's his alter, it's his table, it's his body.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to say I am God.
Speaker 15: Because he offers himself as God to us. That's more
Speaker 15: of a definitive statement than anything else that he could
Speaker 15: have verbalized.
Speaker 6: Well, he verbalized it multiple times, saying I am. I
Speaker 6: mean every time he shays I am. In the Book
Speaker 6: of John, he's affirming his deity. John, what's up? Man?
Speaker 6: Before Abraham was I am? And he makes himself equal
Speaker 6: to the Father in John eight and they want to
Speaker 6: stone him. What's up? John?
Speaker 17: I just wanted to point out one thing you You
Speaker 17: actually just created a new argument. And you said he
Speaker 17: was making a phelic argument. Uh.
Speaker 6: Yes, all bad arguments are phelic arguments because they suck.
Speaker 6: All right, we're getting too we're getting to rated RI,
Speaker 6: we're getting rated R. Gotta stop. Who's next? John? Feel free?
Speaker 6: To stay on, Isaac, Isaac Hayes, what's up? We got
Speaker 6: all these weird, weird bands calling in. We had Toad
Speaker 6: the Wetsprocket. Isaac Hayes, what's up?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can hear?
Speaker 6: I want to know what love is?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 18: So I kind of have like a hermetic transcendental argument,
Speaker 18: and I figure if anyone could dismantle it, it'd probably
Speaker 18: be youlling.
Speaker 6: Are you trolling? Are you trolling? Are you serious?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: I'm like, dead serious, dead serious. Okay, what's your hermetic
Speaker 6: transcendent argument?
Speaker 4: So in the first book of the Hermetic.
Speaker 19: Like Philosophy, the discourse between the and Andres and there
Speaker 19: is yeah, okay, there is this or I guess it
Speaker 19: describes a trinity within there. And since this is written
Speaker 19: in antiquity, it is at the very least contemporary with
Speaker 19: Christian writings.
Speaker 6: So they yeah, but you know, under the trinity comes
Speaker 6: from the Torah, not from the Christian writings.
Speaker 4: I mean sure, I guess, Okay.
Speaker 6: So it doesn't matter temporarily. Then this would be after
Speaker 6: the Trinity doctrine, because that's a Juda doctrine.
Speaker 4: I guess that influence wouldn't really make a difference.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I do know that there is the Trinity in
Speaker 19: the Old Testament as well, But anyway.
Speaker 6: My point with that is that.
Speaker 19: The trinity indrace is it allows for multiplicity, so it
Speaker 19: doesn't evolve into total monism or.
Speaker 6: You know, standard Yeah, but the way that we make
Speaker 6: the transcenal argument is not that there's a minimal amount
Speaker 6: of necessary attributes. It's all of the attributes that are
Speaker 6: necessary for a specific deity. So you can't ground it
Speaker 6: in neoplatonism, which is what I think you're you're going
Speaker 6: for here with Well, well, here's a couple attributes that
Speaker 6: are shared between two different triads. It's a vastly different triad.
Speaker 6: So all the critiques of neoplatonism would apply to what
Speaker 6: you're talking about.
Speaker 19: I I would just I don't think all of them do,
Speaker 19: because my stance is not purely neoplatonic.
Speaker 6: Okay, is the world created or is it an eternal emanation? Okay?
Speaker 6: Is the world created or is it an eternal emanation?
Speaker 4: I know the world is created?
Speaker 6: What's it?
Speaker 10: X neilo.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're saying the corpus hermaticum teaches hermatica, teaches
Speaker 6: ex creation X neilo. I've never heard that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that one could interpret it that way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh has anyone ever interpreted that way? Or this
Speaker 6: your novel interpretation?
Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, no, it is a novel interpretation. But
Speaker 19: I don't see about that would matter like Pilo.
Speaker 6: Well, because in order to derive the Christian theological teachings,
Speaker 6: it's not divorced from history. So the fact that you're
Speaker 6: two thousand years later having a novel interpretation of the
Speaker 6: Harmatica to try to find what are specifically uh Judaic
Speaker 6: and Christian teachings about creation x nilo would be a
Speaker 6: defeat for what you're coming up with. I mean, you're
Speaker 6: just copying and pasting.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I don't think so. I could argue
Speaker 4: that you're you, well not you personally, but.
Speaker 19: You know Christianity, or I guess Judaism had copied Plato
Speaker 19: and then expanded upon that.
Speaker 6: How did Judaism copy Plato when when Moses is far
Speaker 6: earlier than Plato. Where's your where's the proof that Judaism copied.
Speaker 4: Plays existed in the first place?
Speaker 6: All right, here we go, sure you this is too stupid? Yeah,
Speaker 6: good job too. All right, who's next? Tendall?
Speaker 17: Let's you know on that on that note, is that
Speaker 17: in the Pelicon, in the Pelanicon.
Speaker 6: Book, he's hush, he's talking.
Speaker 17: Go ahead, John, I was saying in the Pelicon book
Speaker 17: on the Catholic tradition, Uh huh, he actually says that
Speaker 17: there there's people who speculate that the Greeks might have
Speaker 17: borrowed from the Old Testament.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, the Early Church, the early Church fathers
Speaker 6: argue this. Aaron As argues that, Justin Marter argues it. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just a very arbitrary to just assume that everything
Speaker 6: that the Greeks had, you know, the Christians ripped off. Well,
Speaker 6: there's actually a symbiotic relationship with like Christian philosophy in
Speaker 6: a Patristic era era and uh, you know, Greek philosophy.
Speaker 6: But you could argue that, yeah, Filo was hellenized. But
Speaker 6: to then hands your argument on maybe Moses never existed, Well, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe you know, it's far less likely that Hermes Trismagistus
Speaker 6: existed other than Moses. So that's a bad line of argument, Tendall,
Speaker 6: what's up.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I was wondering if you could do Karence mckinna
Speaker 20: talking about how Plato could have came before Moses.
Speaker 21: Yes, well, we are relying on a lot of Judaic interpretations,
Speaker 21: and if you're familiar with Jewish rabbinical thought, it's misogynistic,
Speaker 21: especially in the writings of Solomon, and Solomon had many wives,
Speaker 21: which produced his misogyny, and that's what led them to
Speaker 21: come to the conclusion that they were suppressing women and
Speaker 21: suppressing polyamorous relationships.
Speaker 6: Ecumenical, boy, what's up? That is probably that that literally
Speaker 6: sounds like some kind of bullshit turns McKenna would actually argue,
Speaker 6: what's up, man, A fool?
Speaker 10: I'm just saying, as a Mexican, like, what do you
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Speaker 6: You talk about vanilla eyes. By the way, I was
Speaker 6: the first person to make that joke, and then everybody
Speaker 6: ripped off my mem Now I think, look, I look.
Speaker 6: I've been a longtime member of the vip Posse. I
Speaker 6: joined the vip Posse when I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 6: I went as no Ice for Halloween in sixth grade.
Speaker 6: I've always been a fan of Robert van Winkle. He
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Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 6: Better be a brother. It's better be a fellow bipop person.
Speaker 6: If I see a profile named Darius and it comes
Speaker 6: up and it ain't a Persian or a brother, I'm out.
Speaker 3: He j Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: You don't sound black, can you hear me, Jake?
Speaker 22: Yes?
Speaker 4: So basically I had some question in regarding to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 14: Okay, one question, Yeah, but I need to kind of
Speaker 14: give you a brief history where we.
Speaker 6: Don't have time for a brief history. Ask your question.
Speaker 6: Come on, I'm gonna hurry you today.
Speaker 14: I'm getting serious about Orthodoxy, so I need some advice
Speaker 14: or what steps to get because I was an Orthodox,
Speaker 14: but I when I moved to Germany, I basically became
Speaker 14: Protestant for Evangelical and I left the church like two
Speaker 14: years ago, and now I'm getting interested in.
Speaker 6: Orthodox I can Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 14: Like how I heard the arguments from your YouTube channel
Speaker 14: also from caire the guy is called Yeah, you know,
Speaker 14: I'm also a teading your MENIU Orthodox Church because I'm
Speaker 14: from Moldova.
Speaker 4: Okay, and yeah, I just want to ask, like are
Speaker 4: there some books or some things I need to get into?
Speaker 23: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, well our Protestant background. I would say, get
Speaker 6: a hold of doctor Clark Carlton's book. There's a three
Speaker 6: volume trilogy, The Way, the Truth, and the Life. I
Speaker 6: want to say that the I forget the name of
Speaker 6: the which whatever volume I read this like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 6: One of the volumes is directed towards Protestant evangelical mindsets.
Speaker 6: So I'd say get a hold of Clark Carlton's book.
Speaker 6: I would say, get a hold of Vladimir Lawski's book
Speaker 6: Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church, and pretty much anything
Speaker 6: for the most part that Lawsky writes is good. So
Speaker 6: I would start there, and then you know, check out
Speaker 6: Athanacious on the Incarnation and the five theological Orations of
Speaker 6: the Cappadocians. What's up, man, I want to know who
Speaker 6: would love pease? I want you to show me. I'm mute, dude,
Speaker 6: cruising for a braison, I'm mute. Crusader of truth, I'm mute.
Speaker 1: I want to know I love is a water show.
Speaker 6: Nobody knows these Boomer songs, Crusader, do you want to
Speaker 6: talk or not? Man? All right? Moving on, Dmitri, Dmitri,
Speaker 6: I'm mute, Guys, when you come up, just unmute yourselves. Man,
Speaker 6: we've been doing this.
Speaker 3: You heard Oh man, can I just ask you? Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, No, it's aorry about that.
Speaker 8: But amen, you're the first one who I heard about,
Speaker 8: one of the first about the.
Speaker 3: Younger of Christians.
Speaker 4: With Kyle, I was wondering, have you heard about a
Speaker 4: ten that was.
Speaker 6: The first one who really showed me about Young Earth?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've known about him for a long time. What
Speaker 6: about it?
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm just curious on your opinion, and what about
Speaker 9: Andrew Wilson on the I'm not liking a Younger of
Speaker 9: creationist or ridiculous.
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to Andrew about his position on Young Earth,
Speaker 6: but I actually agree that most of the Young Earth
Speaker 6: creationists are a bunch of goober tards so ken Ham
Speaker 6: Ken Hooven. I mean, they're terrible representatives. They're absolute goofballs.
Speaker 6: So I wish that we had better, better presenters of
Speaker 6: those kinds of positions. Connor, what's up?
Speaker 4: I really had one question, and it would be what
Speaker 4: is your fun? What is your opinion about idealism?
Speaker 3: And can I cohere with.
Speaker 21: The world?
Speaker 6: Is not an ideal construct construct? We're not Platonists. We're
Speaker 6: not Hegelians. There is an external world. There is matter.
Speaker 6: For example, in many places in the Patristic writings and
Speaker 6: in the Ecumenical councils. We know that Jesus took on matter.
Speaker 6: I'm aware that you could say, oh, well, maybe the
Speaker 6: matter is also an idea.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: So there's never been in the history of the Orthodox
Speaker 6: Church anybody teaching idealism, and in fact it's really just
Speaker 6: platonism ultimately, and Platonism is condemned multiple places in the
Speaker 6: Church of Fathers and in the councils, particularly the Sonoticon
Speaker 6: condemns it many times over. You will try again, let's see.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: No, if you already came up, don't I'm going not
Speaker 6: going to you. JT. What's up?
Speaker 3: Who I want to know? Who I love? Is a
Speaker 3: want to show me?
Speaker 6: Not really, I'm not sexting with you guys in the
Speaker 6: chat did not want any of you to show me
Speaker 6: what love is. What's up?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 6: JT A.
Speaker 24: Junie for Wilson of Bulls that debates are more for
Speaker 24: like convincing the audience.
Speaker 4: Rather than the person you're debating than I might just
Speaker 4: dumb to know why, because it seems like if you
Speaker 4: can convince your opponent. That would be the most convincing.
Speaker 6: Things because most of the time people that go into debates,
Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of the time are not there to
Speaker 6: be corrected or to learn the truth. So it's just
Speaker 6: a practical observation. It's not saying that we never want
Speaker 6: to convert the opponent. Of course, we want to convert
Speaker 6: the opponent. In fact, the opponent is part of the audience.
Speaker 6: When you're speaking in the debate, the opponent is also
Speaker 6: a part of the audience. So yeah, we would want
Speaker 6: to convert them. But ninety nine percent of the time
Speaker 6: you're not going to convert your opponent. The debate is
Speaker 6: for the audience. Solid snake, what's up? Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 6: what love isn't.
Speaker 17: O?
Speaker 12: Jay?
Speaker 3: I love your videos.
Speaker 4: Thank you for everything.
Speaker 6: Okay, here comes now. When when it begins with a compliment,
Speaker 6: usually means I'm in for hillacious nonsense, So give me
Speaker 6: all of why. I'm a massive you know, piece of craft.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 6: I like you, Okay, That's all I care about is
Speaker 6: people like me. I just want to be liked.
Speaker 3: No, I'm orthodox. I like your videos.
Speaker 6: I just want to know what love is. Go ahead,
Speaker 6: I love you.
Speaker 17: Is that it?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 17: All right?
Speaker 24: Kick me off?
Speaker 3: Kick me off?
Speaker 24: Please.
Speaker 6: I don't get what people think. It's like, where's the
Speaker 6: joke and don't get it. I want to know what
Speaker 6: David is. What's up, David? I'm here?
Speaker 25: Hello?
Speaker 6: Are you calling me from a shower?
Speaker 5: I'm about to show me what love is right now.
Speaker 6: I'm in a factory, a shower factory. What's up?
Speaker 3: Thanks for everything?
Speaker 22: I'm going going a liturgy for about a month now.
Speaker 6: But I have a dudes in the You calling me
Speaker 6: from the dance You calling me from the noise factory?
Speaker 6: Is that where they make noise?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well we make plans for two?
Speaker 8: Am I bowing?
Speaker 26: Oh?
Speaker 6: Okay? David Bowie Okay, he's working in the David Bowie Factory.
Speaker 6: He's making cool of up god music. What's up? Actual question?
Speaker 6: And then he drops off bro the uh Dick Dick
Speaker 6: Cheney's ah, he's faffing up the signal. Dog. He's over
Speaker 6: there working in the Boeing factory, and Dick Cheney's up
Speaker 6: there in the control room shutting down the signal. Josie,
Speaker 6: what's up? I want to work in the David Bowie factory.
Speaker 6: I don't know it sounds that might be a little
Speaker 6: a little weird. What would you get paid if you
Speaker 6: worked in the David Bowie Factor, where you get paid
Speaker 6: in glitter or some weird shit? What's up?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 27: That was up?
Speaker 3: Jay? I just had a quick question, real quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, why don't you ask me? I'm orthodox about that.
Speaker 4: I just made that clear.
Speaker 2: I was introduced to well, I ran into a Instagram
Speaker 2: post essentially just take a talking nonsense about how Judaism
Speaker 2: and therefore Christianity just.
Speaker 3: Evolves from this kN Knight religion. Yah wism.
Speaker 4: I was wondering what your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the argument before?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's been going around, That's been going around for
Speaker 6: thirty years. First of all, the way that the Canaanite
Speaker 6: storm God is presented bears no similarities at all to
Speaker 6: the way that the God of the Scriptures is presented.
Speaker 6: And I do not like William Lane Craig, but he
Speaker 6: does have one good book on this very topic, and
Speaker 6: it's called Creation ex Nilo. And in that book he
Speaker 6: goes through the Torah and basically presents all the ways
Speaker 6: in which the essential attributes and characteristics of the God
Speaker 6: of the Bible are contrasted to the sort of zeitgeist
Speaker 6: lowest commonnominator approach that you hear from that kind of
Speaker 6: a level of argumentation. So it's called creation. Next elo
Speaker 6: by Wimland Craig, what's up, Brave Heart? We got William
Speaker 6: Wallace in the chat what's up Dog? There are similarities
Speaker 6: between Bail and Allah. Well, Look, similarities is not the
Speaker 6: same thing as identity. You can find similarity between any object.
Speaker 6: And again this goes back to the word concept fallacy.
Speaker 6: It goes back to the way that idiotic conspiracy people
Speaker 6: misinterpret things the way evangelicals interpret you know, Alexander Hislop. Look,
Speaker 6: the Pope has a fish hat, that's the Babylonian hat
Speaker 6: because it's a similar shape. Similar shapes does not mean
Speaker 6: the same reference. Similar symbol doesn't mean the same reference. Again,
Speaker 6: the lion of the tribe of Judah and Satan walking
Speaker 6: around like a lion seeking human man devour, while guess
Speaker 6: that means that Jesus is Satan. That's literally the Charles
Speaker 6: Manson Schitzo level interpretation. And this is the same approach
Speaker 6: that evangelicals and conspiracy towards use. It's the same reference
Speaker 6: because it's the same thing, and it's the same way
Speaker 6: that Schizo's operates. Schizo's think that the same thing is
Speaker 6: a metaphysical reference. The apple in the garden, apple computers.
Speaker 6: Therefore Apple Computers was in the garden. No, that's a nod,
Speaker 6: that's a fallacy. And Candae is only like one week
Speaker 6: away from that. What's up, Brave New World, brave heart whatever.
Speaker 6: I'm you hi, first time.
Speaker 28: Here for me.
Speaker 23: I have a kind of a going back question regarding
Speaker 23: Erica Kirk and what you had discernment said to you
Speaker 23: when you saw her and kneel next.
Speaker 3: To the coffin of Kirk Charlie Kirk. I mean, did anything.
Speaker 6: Captain Kirk are you talking about? Hold on, are you saying?
Speaker 6: Are you saying she kneeled next to the coffin of
Speaker 6: Captain Kirk?
Speaker 23: Sorry, I mispoked Charlie Kirk, her husband. So when she
Speaker 23: kneeled down and was doing that video, what did your
Speaker 23: senses discernment, Holy Spirit, experience, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: What went often you?
Speaker 23: Because that is when I knew there was no question
Speaker 23: there's something wrong. And it just doesn't seem like you guys,
Speaker 23: the big, the big, you know, Alex you Nick. Nobody
Speaker 23: seems to care about that, really, And I just don't understand.
Speaker 3: And I'm confused because I respect you. I'm learning a
Speaker 3: lot by you. I'm a longtime Christian.
Speaker 23: I'm not orthodox, However, I believe I have good discernment.
Speaker 23: I've been in the Bible for twenty five years self study.
Speaker 3: I love God. And there's something wrong with that woman.
Speaker 3: So why don't you care? Why don't you be a
Speaker 3: voice and stand up? It's Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, Well I'll say this. When I saw that,
Speaker 6: I was about two boxes deep into phronsia, and it
Speaker 6: was specifically the uh you know, the cherry flavor of phronsia.
Speaker 6: And I probably wasn't able to function rationally when I
Speaker 6: saw it because I was so deep into phronsia and
Speaker 6: then when I woke up from my fronsia.
Speaker 10: But I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 25: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Phronsia?
Speaker 6: You're not familiar with boxwe No.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm sixty four years old, I'm a grandmother.
Speaker 3: Help me out here.
Speaker 6: There's no way that a grandmother is not familiar with phronsia.
Speaker 3: Is it a flavor of ice cream? What is it?
Speaker 6: I suppose you could technically freeze it. I have been
Speaker 6: to places where they freeze box wine, so that's serious.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I don't know what that means. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about?
Speaker 6: I'm talking about box wine, probably the premiere brand of
Speaker 6: box wine.
Speaker 3: Actually, what is box one? I don't know what that means?
Speaker 5: Box?
Speaker 3: I really don't know.
Speaker 6: W I any wine?
Speaker 3: Oh wine, box wine? Sorry I didn't hear you. Okay, wine,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you?
Speaker 6: All right, So tell me your favorite flavor of phronsia
Speaker 6: before we continue.
Speaker 3: I don't drink phronsie.
Speaker 23: If I have a glass of wine is at a
Speaker 23: restaurant and I spend way too much for one glass.
Speaker 3: So all right, let's just leave it at that. So
Speaker 3: can we can we just continue?
Speaker 6: What if? But what if saw her?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: What if the if the restaurant anybody.
Speaker 3: Could have seen it?
Speaker 23: My four year old grandson could have figured it out.
Speaker 6: But what if the restaurant serves phronsia that you go to?
Speaker 6: What would you do?
Speaker 12: Then?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 23: Whatever, listen, I don't want I really, I am really serious.
Speaker 3: When I wanted, I respect you, jay, I want to know,
Speaker 3: heart to heart, to me and to grandmother. What the
Speaker 3: hell were you thinking when she was doing that bullshit?
Speaker 6: I want to know Come on, I want to know
Speaker 6: what love is. I want you to show me.
Speaker 3: Okay, love.
Speaker 29: For me?
Speaker 12: Come on, I don't want This is not therapy, man,
Speaker 12: I want to know what a man is Orthodox Christian
Speaker 12: who's been through Catholicism, Protestantism, the Bible, back and forth.
Speaker 3: I read twenty thousand books. What were you thinking when
Speaker 3: she was kneeling there? What was your spirit telling you?
Speaker 6: I was thinking, I want to know what love is.
Speaker 6: I want you to show me. Oh man, uh look, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be serious now. So where did you get
Speaker 6: the idea that I'm somehow a TPUSA apologist or Erica
Speaker 6: chirch apologist. This is what I don't understand why people
Speaker 6: who are so attuned to their discernment that they can't
Speaker 6: understand that I've been critiquing evangelical black ops churches for
Speaker 6: ten years publicly in podcasts. In fact, the guy next
Speaker 6: to you on the space right now, I did podcasts
Speaker 6: with him ten years ago on the very topic of
Speaker 6: evangelical black ops churches. So where did you come up
Speaker 6: with the ridiculous idea that Number one, I believe all
Speaker 6: of the mainstream stories. And number two that I don't
Speaker 6: question TPUSA or something like that. Are you there? So again,
Speaker 6: perfect example of the quandas audience right there.
Speaker 17: Well, the problem is once again, and let me just
Speaker 17: say that I probably am a little bit more sympathetic
Speaker 17: towards Candice than Jay is, but even that, you have
Speaker 17: to use discernment when listening to something like that. And
Speaker 17: once again he's pointing out that we were talking about
Speaker 17: this way way before anybody else was, and just because
Speaker 17: the unfortunate murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: Now this has been.
Speaker 17: Brought into the spotlight, But I mean when you were
Speaker 17: talking about it, when nobody cared about it.
Speaker 6: Exactly. And now I have to hear all of these
Speaker 6: wine moms and soccer moms know it all spouting out
Speaker 6: and pontificating to me about this topic. It drives me crazy.
Speaker 6: Two months ago, candae OANs and the evangelical Black Ops, Business,
Speaker 6: Churches Technocracy Courtney Turner returns with me. This is two
Speaker 6: months ago an entire almost three hour podcast on this
Speaker 6: very subject. So again, I don't understand why people can't
Speaker 6: figure out that I don't like either one of them.
Speaker 6: And if you can't see that everything Candace is saying
Speaker 6: about all this nonsense the last three months is absolute
Speaker 6: ridiculous bullshit. I can't help you. Go back to the phronsia.
Speaker 6: What's up theology something?
Speaker 20: Yo?
Speaker 6: So bro, what's up?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 24: Last time I was on here, right, I was talking about.
Speaker 4: Under determination. So I just wanted to know a few things.
Speaker 30: So I wanted to know how creationism can predict the
Speaker 30: data just.
Speaker 6: As well as doesn't predict data, it predicts the thesis.
Speaker 6: In other words, for example, why would we see similar
Speaker 6: DNA between a monkey and a human being. Well, the
Speaker 6: evolutionary model says it's because of a common ancestor the
Speaker 6: creation model says it's a common creator. So both models
Speaker 6: can accurately explain the data.
Speaker 30: Right, So then if that's the case, why would you posit.
Speaker 4: Yours over the other?
Speaker 6: Dude? I don't. I think you don't understand what underdetermination
Speaker 6: of data means. All it means is that data itself
Speaker 6: doesn't tell you the paradigm, so you have to go
Speaker 6: to the paradigm level. So I would critique the evolutionist
Speaker 6: paradigm depending upon what paradigma specific evolutionist has, whether they're atheistic,
Speaker 6: one or an atheistic one. The whole point of underdetermination
Speaker 6: of data is that scientism proponents, for example, when they
Speaker 6: point to more peer review studies or whatever, none of
Speaker 6: the peer of you studies are ever going to tell
Speaker 6: you which paradigm is true, because it's a paradigm level argument.
Speaker 6: That's the point.
Speaker 30: And do you think that that also could play into
Speaker 30: the idea of how bruff facts don't exist?
Speaker 6: It is related to that, but again that's a kind
Speaker 6: of a separate epistemic issue. I mean, the reason that
Speaker 6: brute facts don't exist is that we all interpret reality
Speaker 6: through our paradigm. So we call this some philosophy theory
Speaker 6: laden that everything that exists, all facts or objects or whatever,
Speaker 6: are theory laden. That's the point of that term. So
Speaker 6: it's a both and there's it's related question.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 30: So do you know anything about hermautical foundationalism?
Speaker 6: I mean, I know what herma utics is and I
Speaker 6: know what foundationalism is, so I don't know specifically what
Speaker 6: that is.
Speaker 30: I just wanted to know because like, how would you, like,
Speaker 30: how do you think herman utics placements has hacked when
Speaker 30: it comes to like how understanding is transcendent to.
Speaker 6: Knowledge and meaning understanding is transcendent to knowledge. I don't
Speaker 6: even know what that means. I mean, hermautics is the
Speaker 6: science of interpretation. So for example, when you interpret the Bible,
Speaker 6: there's different theories on hermautic approaches, right, like typological approach,
Speaker 6: grammatical historical approach, et cetera. That's what hermautics is. Hermautics
Speaker 6: of hermaeutical foundationalism sounds like the idea that there would
Speaker 6: be basic, self evident principles about how I would go
Speaker 6: about interpreting this or that text. So again it's related.
Speaker 6: But again I think you're kind of mixing up terms there, numadicos.
Speaker 6: What's up? Are we buying bitcoin at this level? Yes,
Speaker 6: so a lot of people are freaking out. We had
Speaker 6: a pullback. Ivan had a good talk on it. He says,
Speaker 6: he thinks it it may go back to the two
Speaker 6: hundred week moving average, which would be around sixty. And
Speaker 6: I'm not worried, no, I mean, I expected the next
Speaker 6: time we went into a bull market we would go down.
Speaker 6: And Ivan's usually right, so it probably will hit the
Speaker 6: two in a week moving average worst case scenario, which
Speaker 6: would be in the sixties. But hey, that's that makes
Speaker 6: it much more easier to get a hold of one
Speaker 6: BTC when it's in the sixties. If you're new to bitcoin,
Speaker 6: you're one. Oh, I want to get into it. I
Speaker 6: want to start. Okay, we'll be thankful that. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: if bigcoin was that two hundred and listen, all the
Speaker 6: gold boomers are like doing their victory dances. Bitcoin usually
Speaker 6: pops off after gold has a run. That's the historical precedent,
Speaker 6: and of course historical president isn't a infallible guide for markets,
Speaker 6: but usually when bitcoin or usually gold has a run
Speaker 6: before bigcoin. So no, I'm not worried, and no, I'm
Speaker 6: not selling any big win for gold, not at all.
Speaker 6: What's up? Yeah, let's who's next?
Speaker 8: Up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What's up? Jay?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 3: Hey, I just wanted to, you know, first time call.
Speaker 22: I just wanted to express gratitude to you, you know,
Speaker 22: for guys like you, Burmus, fucking Richard Grove, Alex Jones,
Speaker 22: Like if I didn't find you guys, when I found.
Speaker 3: You, I would be like, I just want to address that,
Speaker 3: braveheart lady.
Speaker 22: I think the problem is that a lot of people,
Speaker 22: you know, they hear Candice and they get mixed up
Speaker 22: and they don't realize they're like fresh to the red pill,
Speaker 22: and then their whole brain gets melted by everything is
Speaker 22: a conspiracy and they don't have the ability to like
Speaker 22: sift through shit and understand how intelligence operations work and
Speaker 22: psyops and everything.
Speaker 3: It's so deep.
Speaker 22: And I'm so grateful for guys like you and Richard
Speaker 22: and Burmis who were able to help me through that
Speaker 22: period where you could fall off a fucking cliff with
Speaker 22: this shit, or you could start reading books and learn
Speaker 22: about what's really going on. And I have empathy for
Speaker 22: ladies like that because their minds are just getting blown
Speaker 22: these days and they have no idea.
Speaker 3: How to parse through it. So I just want to
Speaker 3: say thanks for what you do and for helping me.
Speaker 3: And that's about it.
Speaker 6: Thank you man. Again. Again, we do have to remember,
Speaker 6: and I was just joking. Got to remember when you
Speaker 6: call into this thing here, I joke around a lot.
Speaker 6: It's good natured ribbing. We're having fun. Don't take it seriously.
Speaker 6: We all have that bell curve phase of awakening, you know,
Speaker 6: when you first get into this kind of material, it's
Speaker 6: very jarring, and it's kind of like the phases of
Speaker 6: grief or whatever. You know where you're like, you're upset,
Speaker 6: you're shocked. Then you question everything, everything's a conspiracy, and
Speaker 6: then you kind of are susceptible to believing everything. Oh,
Speaker 6: maybe it's the Aliens, Maybe it's the Tartarians, it's the Pleadeans.
Speaker 6: So you go through these phases and then you kind
Speaker 6: of immediately assume everything is part of the Grand narrative,
Speaker 6: and the reality is that it's it's it's both and right,
Speaker 6: it's it's more nuanced than that. There are intelligence operations,
Speaker 6: but the CIA doesn't run everything. Israeli operations are influential,
Speaker 6: they don't run everything. The Masons have had a very
Speaker 6: powerful historical influence. They're not running everything. Kulture is real.
Speaker 6: Not everybody is an mk ulture Delta Assassin sex program. Okay,
Speaker 6: I mean there's just a learning curve that we go through.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, John, and and all of.
Speaker 17: Those things are not necessarily all tied together in one
Speaker 17: big bow.
Speaker 6: Also, yeah, that's the grand narrative idea?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 30: Ah?
Speaker 6: Yes, so I studied. Here's a question right here at
Speaker 6: super chat, what do you think of p I z
Speaker 6: z A gait. Well, in my opinion, there were probably
Speaker 6: some underhanded, nasty activities, perhaps a CP going on allegedly
Speaker 6: perhaps I don't know. I'm not accusing anyone of that
Speaker 6: because I can't approof of that, but it does seem
Speaker 6: very suspicious. However, I don't think there was a k
Speaker 6: I L L room, you know, eight millimeters style. But
Speaker 6: you notice that a lot of people latched onto that
Speaker 6: event and it became everything and then every and that
Speaker 6: came out of Q Q crap if you remember that.
Speaker 6: And I said day one that Q was a sye off.
Speaker 6: To me, it bore all the marks of limited hangout disinformation,
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. But I think which I was
Speaker 6: going to point.
Speaker 16: Out in light of the.
Speaker 4: You know, in light of the Charlie Kirk stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: it's an interesting little tidbit of input.
Speaker 3: Was you know Paul valiy there, who wrote the book
Speaker 3: with Michael A. Keno.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and he's on the board of TPUSA, right, he
Speaker 17: was also a promoter of Q.
Speaker 6: I didn't even know that. Good insight there, John. Now
Speaker 6: people have been sending me viral Instagram reels of the
Speaker 6: Paul Vallei stuff about mine war side war. And I'm
Speaker 6: not trying to be rude or dick, but guys, I
Speaker 6: knew this fifteen years ago. Now it's new information. In fact,
Speaker 6: John was on with me a few weeks ago that
Speaker 6: Paul Valley was involved in the TPUSA stuff and we
Speaker 6: covered that weeks ago. So first of all, I know
Speaker 6: about Mine water Side War. In fact, I've read Michael
Speaker 6: Achino's other books. I read his book on Black Magic,
Speaker 6: I read Mine Water Sie War, so I'm aware of
Speaker 6: those things, and I knew who Paul Valley was, and
Speaker 6: we covered Paul Valle being connected to TPUSA maybe a
Speaker 6: month ago. And then now the White Moms are sending
Speaker 6: me the Instagram reels alerting me of things that I
Speaker 6: knew fifteen years ago and things that we talked about
Speaker 6: a month ago. And again it's not their fault. I'm
Speaker 6: not bitching at the people who send me that stuff
Speaker 6: because it's new information to them. But it's just kind
Speaker 6: of frustrating when you see, you know, information getting out
Speaker 6: there and then people get so arrogant and douchey with you,
Speaker 6: and then they think, oh, you're the drill douchebag. No, No,
Speaker 6: I have to deal with this stuff like every day, right,
Speaker 6: people who are and it's not just it's also family members, right,
Speaker 6: So I deal with family members who have for decades
Speaker 6: not listen to me, and then twenty years later when
Speaker 6: they hear Queen Candy say it, suddenly it's now true
Speaker 6: and it's the new version of what used to be
Speaker 6: the case with Fox News.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 6: I had family members I talked to them about all
Speaker 6: kinds of stuff, thought I was crazy. But then when
Speaker 6: they heard Tucker talk about it, then they listened to
Speaker 6: it because it was on the screen, the great God
Speaker 6: screen of Fox News. I'm not distinct, Tucker. I'm just
Speaker 6: saying this was the process, you know, and say twenty eighteen,
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and I'm like, I was telling
Speaker 6: you this a long time ago, Okay, geoengineering. I've been
Speaker 6: talking about that since twenty I've learned about that in
Speaker 6: two thousand and seven or eight, talked about it a lot.
Speaker 6: I don't know everything about it. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 6: but I've known about it. I've talked about it. It's
Speaker 6: in my book. There's a whole two chapters on geoengineering
Speaker 6: in my twenty eighteen book, and that was based on
Speaker 6: articles I'd written years earlier. And then you get people, well,
Speaker 6: you know more about geo engineering. Yeah, I'm well aware
Speaker 6: of it. I played John Brennan at the CFR talking
Speaker 6: about it. I got my whole original TikTok deleted because
Speaker 6: I played John Brennan clips talking about geoengineering at the
Speaker 6: CFR a long time ago. So like, I'm not trying
Speaker 6: to be I know what, all douchebag. It's just it's
Speaker 6: very frustrating thing for people who have been in this
Speaker 6: sphere and talked about it so often and for so long,
Speaker 6: too little to know fanfare or attention or people weren't listening.
Speaker 6: No one would listen to you back when we had
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I'm not even sure the exact
Speaker 6: size of the I'm not dissing the Hoaxbusters or Afternoon Commune,
Speaker 6: but I mean it wasn't a massive audience. I mean,
Speaker 6: we probably had a few thousand downloads back in twenty fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 6: and then to hammer at this for all of these
Speaker 6: years to be you know, six years into hosting the
Speaker 6: fourth hour of Lord Baltimore, Baltimore now, and it's like,
Speaker 6: now you're getting these people copying and saying all the
Speaker 6: stuff that you talked about, even Candace talking about all
Speaker 6: the Laurel Canyon stuff when she had Tom O'Neil on
Speaker 6: like that was shit that we've been covering since Dave
Speaker 6: McGowan before he was dead, right, So, and I'm not
Speaker 6: trying to go ahead.
Speaker 3: I interviewed Dave McGowan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good point.
Speaker 3: I mean even before anybody knew who he was. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that to brag.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, that's how long we've been talking about.
Speaker 6: And you guys would have on quite regularly, professors all
Speaker 6: kinds of you know, prominent but Chris would call professors
Speaker 6: and you know, interview them and ask them questions and
Speaker 6: critique them and debate them, and uh, you know, it
Speaker 6: was just way ahead of its time. Hoaxbusters was covering stuff.
Speaker 6: Remember for example, we covered CIA music, pop music, punk music,
Speaker 6: and then uh, years later The Guardian basically did the
Speaker 6: same podcast that we had done years earlier, with no
Speaker 6: credit to John and Chris or myself of course, doing
Speaker 6: this whole podcast on you know, we talked about how
Speaker 6: the windsor.
Speaker 17: Change Yep had a song written by the CIA, which
Speaker 17: we talked about the years.
Speaker 6: Earlier, tak Me to the Magic of the Moment, And
Speaker 6: then The Guardian does a podcast and allow culture. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we were talking about that ten years earlier. Come on, now,
Speaker 6: give it the program Horn Archives. I hope it's Trent
Speaker 6: Horn's archives. What's up? Man? Give us the pip of May.
Speaker 24: Du c J.
Speaker 6: What's up? I'm you Trey Horn Archives? What's up? Pay
Speaker 6: me as a pimp of May guys. I got my
Speaker 6: master's in c i A. Remember that crazy reform guy
Speaker 6: they called in. He's like, oh, I know you've got
Speaker 6: your masters and c i A. Yes, that's A. That's
Speaker 6: an actual graduate program.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 6: I went to meet with my advisors and I was like,
Speaker 6: I would like to study the c i A program
Speaker 6: and get my master's in c I A. What's up?
Speaker 6: I'm mute? Where are you at?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 6: Last chance? Okay, we're moving on modern day. What's up?
Speaker 26: MH?
Speaker 6: Next time I'll get my pa, my triple pH D
Speaker 6: th h D in CIA. What's up? I'm mute. Just
Speaker 6: I'm mute. When you come up, man, just do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I want to have you ever encountered like a dynamic
Speaker 10: monarching or a Unitarian.
Speaker 6: Sure we've had plenty of Unitarians on all the way
Speaker 6: back to twenty nineteen. Sure, sure, So what.
Speaker 10: What do you not agree with it in terms of
Speaker 10: the christology, because the christology of it makes sense to me.
Speaker 17: Because if Jesus was if the.
Speaker 3: Foundation of Jesus being the son.
Speaker 16: Of God is being.
Speaker 10: Begotten by God, then the clearest then in Jesus' existence
Speaker 10: that he was begotten is the Virsian conception Luke war
Speaker 10: thirty five. So therefore there would be no need for
Speaker 10: a pre existent Jesus.
Speaker 6: There's two begettings. There's a begetting in time and a
Speaker 6: begetting out of time. So one Verses one through sixteen
Speaker 6: describes the eternal beginning.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 26: But this is the thing.
Speaker 5: If you look at.
Speaker 4: John one one through fourteen, the prologue, that.
Speaker 10: Could easily especially if you compare I think it's Isaiah eleven.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure he says.
Speaker 10: Eleven, yeah, or nine I forget, But that could easily
Speaker 10: be about the ministry of Jesus, not necessarily going.
Speaker 6: Back to Genesis. How could that not be? Look John
Speaker 6: one one through three is paralleling Genesis one one through three,
Speaker 6: the creation with the light that's created, this created light.
Speaker 6: John one is talking about the uncreated light, paralleling Genesis one.
Speaker 6: So of course it's going back to Genesis every commentator
Speaker 6: knows this. There's also the view that were.
Speaker 10: John one one isn't necessarily Jesus.
Speaker 3: One for one, but it's God's word that becomes flesh.
Speaker 3: That is Jesus, by the way, John one fourteen that
Speaker 3: were flesh as of the begotten Father.
Speaker 6: Dude fourteen through eighteen. Fourteen through eighteen identifies the word
Speaker 6: from verses one and two as the same word that
Speaker 6: became flesh. Who is Jesus Christ Verses sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
Speaker 6: Verse eighteen says no one is seeing God's talking to
Speaker 6: the Father at any time. The only begotten son, who
Speaker 6: is in the bosom of the Father has declared him.
Speaker 6: So you understand that verse eighteen specifically identifies that even
Speaker 6: when Christ is on earth, he is still in the
Speaker 6: bosom of the Father, meaning that he is eternally generated.
Speaker 3: Well, the bosom of the Father.
Speaker 10: I just it's a close relationship, right, He's in the
Speaker 10: Holy of Holies, at.
Speaker 6: The right hand of the Father, on the throne of David.
Speaker 3: But like the word becomes flesh.
Speaker 10: Well, what other event where does Jesus become flesh? But
Speaker 10: when he's spiritually begotten by the Father into the womb
Speaker 10: of Mary Luke went thirty five the conception where does one?
Speaker 6: Where does verses? So hold on? You said a minute
Speaker 6: ago that the word is not Jesus, But Verses fourteen
Speaker 6: through eighteen identify Jesus as the words what are you
Speaker 6: talking about?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: The word becomes Jesus.
Speaker 10: The word becomes manifest in the flesh.
Speaker 6: In Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word. They are. They
Speaker 6: are identified as the same. They are the same subject
Speaker 6: or reference. That's why Jesus says, I am before Abraham
Speaker 6: was I.
Speaker 10: Am, well he is what though what was Abraham saw
Speaker 10: his day?
Speaker 6: I am is a reference to Exodus three, the name
Speaker 6: of God, the tetragrammaton the existing one.
Speaker 10: Well, that I am, as said in the New Testament elsewhere,
Speaker 10: is not identifying necessarily someone as Jehovah God.
Speaker 6: Of course it is. It's a quote from Exodus three,
Speaker 6: the phrase I am right.
Speaker 10: What isn't there a situation where the blind man is
Speaker 10: toil by Jesus uses that phrase phrase I.
Speaker 6: Am, no, what are you talking about? No one can
Speaker 6: When Jesus says that later on in John, the Pharisees
Speaker 6: want to stone him because he makes himself equal with God.
Speaker 6: You can't. Nobody called themselves the tetragrammaton.
Speaker 10: Well, I don't have a promise with him an equality
Speaker 10: of some sense, because he is directly begde by Joeve
Speaker 10: of God his literal only be God's son.
Speaker 6: But for that you don't need pre existence.
Speaker 3: You don't need the eternal generation.
Speaker 6: The text in John one already said the text already
Speaker 6: says it's a pre existence because if you read Hebrews one,
Speaker 6: the whole purpose of that chapter is to prove that
Speaker 6: he's the one that created the angels, and so therefore
Speaker 6: any creature is subordinate to him because he is the creator.
Speaker 6: You can't be the creator unless you're also God and
Speaker 6: you're also eternal.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he designed the agees, that's what it says.
Speaker 3: In Hebrews one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't say he designed the angels. It doesn't
Speaker 6: say that. It doesn't say he designed the angels. It
Speaker 6: says he's the creator of the angels. What are you
Speaker 6: talking about, designed the ages?
Speaker 3: The ages?
Speaker 6: He's the creator the Messianic age, right, And so no,
Speaker 6: you're just you're just reinterpreting this.
Speaker 31: Nor am my.
Speaker 10: Son's day of Pigottny, which was a dividing kingship coronation.
Speaker 6: So seven it's you're misunderstanding that it's both in and
Speaker 6: not either or that's why you keep flipping between it
Speaker 6: being something that's eternal, which is why you said in
Speaker 6: John one, it's just the word. John one fourteen to
Speaker 6: eighteen identifies the word as the person Jesus Christ, so
Speaker 6: the same subject. Right, Well, then that refute your position.
Speaker 6: Then it's not that they're not different.
Speaker 3: Well, the word, if you go.
Speaker 10: To the Old test of what is the word, it's
Speaker 10: always God's utterance, his prophecy that the covenants, the Davidic
Speaker 10: Covenant is called the Word of God sake of Samuel seven.
Speaker 3: And Jesus is the divided king.
Speaker 10: If you look at Luke one, I think it's twenty
Speaker 10: six through thirty sixty, the announcement to Mary, it's all
Speaker 10: divided kingship and covenant language.
Speaker 3: So that word is the Davidic Covenant.
Speaker 6: It becomes flesh when Jesus has.
Speaker 10: Begone of the Father John one fourteen, and that's told
Speaker 10: to Mary that he's going to reign over the House
Speaker 10: of Jacob forever. He's going to have the throne of
Speaker 10: his father David. He's going to be he's to be
Speaker 10: gotten son.
Speaker 6: But none of that proves what you're trying to argue
Speaker 6: that there's there's a difference between the Word and Jesus.
Speaker 6: They're the same subject.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 10: My point is isn't necessarily like a hard difference. It's
Speaker 10: just you.
Speaker 6: You just argued earlier that there is a difference because
Speaker 6: you said Jesus isn't the eternally begotten son of God.
Speaker 6: So there is a difference. Now you're switching to Jesus.
Speaker 3: Though that word God's promise, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's an actual, it's a person. And that's why in
Speaker 6: the Old Testament that Angel Lord is the word. In fact,
Speaker 6: in Exos twenty three, God says, my word my name
Speaker 6: is in the Angel Messenger. That's why the angel messenger
Speaker 6: is the Angel is going to have the name of Jovin.
Speaker 10: And it doesn't mean that was Jesus.
Speaker 6: Jesus identifies himself as the Angel of the Lord in
Speaker 6: the Old Testament. What are you talking about? Yes, he does?
Speaker 6: Who ate with who ate with Abraham?
Speaker 3: Jesus?
Speaker 32: Who ate with Abraham? Who ached with Abraham? Who ate
Speaker 32: with Abraham? Who ate with Abraham?
Speaker 6: All right? You your lying? Who who ate with Abraham,
Speaker 6: who ate with Abraham? Okay, this is so stupid. Jesus
Speaker 6: is the one eating with Abraham.
Speaker 10: So before Abraham he was he was what though, he
Speaker 10: was the one that was going to fulfill the Abraham
Speaker 10: and blessings of Genesis twelve.
Speaker 6: This is too stupid.
Speaker 16: The Messiah, the dividing king.
Speaker 6: And we see that in Galicias three he ate with Abraham,
Speaker 6: and he was on the mountain with Moses as second
Speaker 6: Corinthians three says, when Moses went up on the mountain,
Speaker 6: he saw the face of Christ. Paul says it psy
Speaker 6: Corinthians three. So this is what you get with these
Speaker 6: ridiculous unitarians. What's up? So you notice what he did
Speaker 6: was he constantly kept shifting the definitions. Right, So first
Speaker 6: there's a difference between the eternal word and the person Jesus.
Speaker 6: But then the eternal word is what became Jesus, and
Speaker 6: so Jesus is a created being. Well, well, these are
Speaker 6: the creative being in terms of his human nature. But
Speaker 6: the subject is the second person of the Godhead, the
Speaker 6: eternal word, whom John One says, is the creator of
Speaker 6: the worlds, not the designer of the worlds. What's up? Dylan.
Speaker 6: I'm mute, Hey, Jay, I come to.
Speaker 3: Tell me quick.
Speaker 8: I got a comment, an impression.
Speaker 4: Request, and an actual question for you.
Speaker 6: OKT hurry up.
Speaker 22: So I noticed the other day a new channel popped
Speaker 22: up that I saw you comments on in real time.
Speaker 17: It was a new.
Speaker 10: Jadier radio channel, and I just thought that was.
Speaker 19: Really funny because you were talking about the boomers and
Speaker 19: all bricks.
Speaker 3: And how they had radio shows.
Speaker 6: Yeah. They just did that as a joke though, so
Speaker 6: it's intentional.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And then.
Speaker 6: All right, well we can't hear you. So for those
Speaker 6: that are curious, I have a whole talk on the
Speaker 6: Trinity in the Torah, which absolutely destroys unitarianism. So you
Speaker 6: can watch this talk right here if you want a
Speaker 6: fuller reputation of that nonsense blasphemer. Lejandro Ale. What's up,
Speaker 6: Lady Gaga? H I'm mute. Oh hey okay, hey Jay, yep.
Speaker 3: I had a question.
Speaker 33: I'm I what the dogs cleaning wash eighteenth first, and
Speaker 33: I was a Lutheran, but I just can't do the
Speaker 33: whole part of that name.
Speaker 8: But there's one question that has been bugging me for
Speaker 8: a while. It's the somebody, some.
Speaker 3: Some mayke you spotted up.
Speaker 8: And it's really the only point that stuck to me
Speaker 8: was if the Jews only consider the patriarch the father's
Speaker 8: side of the family, the theology as like the I'm
Speaker 8: sure you know where I'm going with this as the official.
Speaker 14: Uh genes for your.
Speaker 8: Dad, Like if your dad is June then or Jew,
Speaker 8: your mom is not Jew, then it doesn't matter as
Speaker 8: long as your dad as you whatever.
Speaker 3: But so then how does that tie in with or
Speaker 3: how do I fix that with?
Speaker 8: Right? Because he only came in through Mary obviously.
Speaker 6: So so his Mary is from the tribe of David.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: So I don't know how to uh say this, right,
Speaker 3: But it's like, uh, so his dad.
Speaker 6: His human nature comes from Mary.
Speaker 3: His father is obviously the father, right, his.
Speaker 6: Human nature comes from his human nature is from Mary,
Speaker 6: and Mary is from the Dividict tribe. His dad is God,
Speaker 6: the Father, Blake, what's up? If you want a longer
Speaker 6: three hour talk on the Trinity and the deed of
Speaker 6: Christ and the old Testaments right here? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: Plus, we have a whole lecture to the Gospel John
Speaker 6: proving the deed of Christ. So I'm not going to
Speaker 6: rehearse the entire course of proving the deed of Christ.
Speaker 6: This is like one on one. What's up, man, Blake?
Speaker 6: I'm you.
Speaker 16: Hey, I uh you know, I got real wrapped up
Speaker 16: in the uh you know, the whole Jake question and
Speaker 16: everything else over the past couple of months. But the
Speaker 16: bill in the past couple of weeks have really exposed
Speaker 16: like how insane the left and liberal minded, and it's
Speaker 16: kind of unified me a little bit more. I guess
Speaker 16: back with Crowder and Temples, those guys, do you uh
Speaker 16: you your fault? Do you see like the actual persecution.
Speaker 3: Give you?
Speaker 12: It is Christian.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 6: It's very possible. I don't know how far they could
Speaker 6: really go with it, but I think that they are
Speaker 6: absolutely crazy enough and radicalized enough that they will try it.
Speaker 6: I mean, they seem to be on board with that,
Speaker 6: so I would not be surprised. I don't know exactly
Speaker 6: what will happen, obviously, but it's very possible. Nick. What's up, Yojay?
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 18: Man?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind? Dude?
Speaker 20: So I've been going through Plato's Republic and I made
Speaker 20: my way through the first book and then listen to
Speaker 20: your lecture on it, like the half lecture that you
Speaker 20: have on YouTube.
Speaker 24: And there was something I noticed, but I didn't see
Speaker 24: you talk about it.
Speaker 6: By the way, I have a lecture. Hold on, I
Speaker 6: have a lecture throughout the entire republic. Yeah, so I
Speaker 6: just there's like five you know, I'm saying, there's like, okay,
Speaker 6: but there's like five to be clear, it goes through
Speaker 6: the whole book, but go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was listening to the one the dam book one
Speaker 4: on YouTube, okay, and there was.
Speaker 24: Something I caught and I don't know if it's just
Speaker 24: me thinking about something and it's not there, and I
Speaker 24: wanted to hear your thoughts on it. In the first book,
Speaker 24: when Socrates is speaking to I think the old guy's
Speaker 24: name is Cephalis, and then he has his son, he
Speaker 24: just is kind.
Speaker 4: Of asking him these basic questions.
Speaker 24: About like, hey, you know you have money, now, is
Speaker 24: that why you know you have peace in your life?
Speaker 6: Et cetera.
Speaker 24: And eventually it feels like the conversation doesn't even really
Speaker 24: begin or like have any depths, and there's not really
Speaker 24: any level of debate or back and forth until this
Speaker 24: old dude leaves and it's just then Socrates and the
Speaker 24: guy's son, I think it's polemic, polemicus or polemic.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mess the names up.
Speaker 24: But he's going back and forth with the young guys
Speaker 24: and then it's only the young dudes at that point.
Speaker 24: It's only when this old guy leaves. And I was
Speaker 24: wondering if you thought that had any significance because I
Speaker 24: know that Plato is like very intentional with everything that
Speaker 24: he writes.
Speaker 4: It's not like he's it's just what happened. It's like
Speaker 4: he designed this scenario.
Speaker 24: Do you think what he's saying there is that like
Speaker 24: wisdom can only be passed on when like the older
Speaker 24: generation goes away, and then it's only like the young
Speaker 24: person discussing with someone who actually has wisdom. Because I'm like,
Speaker 24: I'm thinking about in general boomers, gen X kind of
Speaker 24: this just like you know, the type of people that
Speaker 24: believe in qn ON and is just this like stupid
Speaker 24: mentality across the board from them.
Speaker 6: Can you remind me of the the old guy that
Speaker 6: you're talking about?
Speaker 26: What was the.
Speaker 6: What was his philosophy? Because it's been twelve years since
Speaker 6: I read The Republic, So what was the old guy's philosophy?
Speaker 24: Well, basically, like what it was was that they stop Socrates.
Speaker 24: He's trying to leave the city and go back up
Speaker 24: the mountain, and then they're saying, no, no, you need.
Speaker 4: To say, you need to come with us.
Speaker 24: We're going to have it where we bring you back
Speaker 24: to this house he wants to see you. They then
Speaker 24: bring into the house and it's a really wealthy guy
Speaker 24: and he asks him essentially like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 24: what have you found is good for money? And from
Speaker 24: what I can understand is he said that, well, it
Speaker 24: allows me to be able to pay back the debts
Speaker 24: that I once had, and allows me to be able
Speaker 24: to pay people that I maybe had wrong during my time,
Speaker 24: and now I can pay them back. And then he's
Speaker 24: saying that the only reason why people don't have peace
Speaker 24: in their life is because they, you know, because of
Speaker 24: their actions and because of their virtues. And then as
Speaker 24: yeah as Socrates starts to ask about justice and start
Speaker 24: to go into that discussion, that's when the old guy
Speaker 24: leaves and base he says, so, your son Polemarchus or
Speaker 24: whatever he inherited this discussion.
Speaker 4: He goes, I assume so or something like that, and
Speaker 4: then walks away and he.
Speaker 24: Just completely exits that situation, and I don't know if
Speaker 24: that was intentional, but it made me.
Speaker 4: Think about, Yeah, it's like only.
Speaker 24: When the boomer leaves the conversation can there ever be
Speaker 24: any actual progress, because there's no like just dumb conversation.
Speaker 4: Of like, no, you know what I mean, that's at
Speaker 4: least what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's accurate.
Speaker 6: No, I think probably a lot of professors and scholars.
Speaker 6: I remember something on this from my school days. And
Speaker 6: Plato has a few apologetic agendas. For example, in the Apology,
Speaker 6: he's castigating the Athenian Society for rejecting Socrates, and so
Speaker 6: he probably does have a degree of animosity towards the
Speaker 6: older generation of that time. He also felt like they
Speaker 6: were dull and you know, sort of INSIGNI so I
Speaker 6: would say, probably, yeah, all righty, well cool man, I
Speaker 6: appreciate it. Thanks T. Yeah, No, that's actually a perceptive question.
Speaker 6: It's just I haven't I haven't even thought about the
Speaker 6: Republican like twelve years. So right wing? What's up? Right wing?
Speaker 6: And then Emerald, what's up? Right wing? On you anybody?
Speaker 25: I have a quick question about predeterminism and the theological
Speaker 25: determinism from an orthodox perspective, if the question is posed
Speaker 25: from an atheist and debate, how can there be free
Speaker 25: will if God is all knowing from beginning to end?
Speaker 6: What would your response be? Uh, Yeah, We've addressed it many,
Speaker 6: many times. The fact that God is all knowing has
Speaker 6: nothing to do with whether or not he can create
Speaker 6: a world where there's secondary causes. So God can be
Speaker 6: the first cause of the world and create a world
Speaker 6: where there are secondary causes. So the argument or the
Speaker 6: assumption is that if God's all knowing, he must be
Speaker 6: all determining, and they're just simply as a non sequitor emerald.
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 3: Hi? I had a few.
Speaker 8: Questions about how to debate some or not even debate, but.
Speaker 31: Just talk to them when they believe in more of
Speaker 31: the New Age stuff, because I feel like I've heard
Speaker 31: a lot of arguments when it comes to talking to atheists,
Speaker 31: but not people who believe in like the book Journey
Speaker 31: of the Souls or like the egg theory.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing with most of the New Age you
Speaker 6: stuff is that it tends to be anti rational and
Speaker 6: anti logical. So it will it will focus on the
Speaker 6: subjective and experiences, but it never really provides any framework
Speaker 6: to judge whether an experience is good or bad, or
Speaker 6: true or false, or delusion or deception. So most of
Speaker 6: the time New Age stuff just boils into relativism that well,
Speaker 6: that's your truth, man, and this is my truth.
Speaker 5: Men.
Speaker 6: So I would go to the route of, you know,
Speaker 6: pointing out how destructive to the possibility of knowledge. Relativism
Speaker 6: and subjectivism.
Speaker 3: Are okay, awesome, thank you day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, good question. And I think I don't think
Speaker 6: I've ever heard a new Ager argue for objective truth.
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe there is one out there somewhere Sapphire.
Speaker 6: What's up, y'all? Like these fancy camera angles, got two cameras? Shit,
Speaker 6: I might have fifteen camera angles in here by the
Speaker 6: end of the year. What's up? Huh?
Speaker 3: Awesome. So we've seen a little bit of tonight with
Speaker 3: some of these callers.
Speaker 22: And I was having a conversation with one of my
Speaker 22: buddies recently about interpretation about you know, which church.
Speaker 3: Is correct and proper and this sort of thing, and.
Speaker 27: The issue of reading his cripture came up, and I
Speaker 27: brought up to him a lot a bar I can't
Speaker 27: remember the name of talking which councilor as there's a
Speaker 27: councilor that says up in the effect of people other
Speaker 27: than Orthodox Christians who have been properly catechized shouldn't even
Speaker 27: be reading the text. And I tried to explain to
Speaker 27: them the pragmatism of that, where it's not an exclusivity
Speaker 27: in the sense of like a superiority thing or anything
Speaker 27: like that, but it's it's dangerous for people to just
Speaker 27: pick up this book with no prior context or connection
Speaker 27: to the tradition and then read it at phase value
Speaker 27: with their own biases.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm aware of two I'm aware of two statements.
Speaker 6: There's one of the canons I want to say in Trollo,
Speaker 6: and then there's a later statement in you know, like
Speaker 6: Jassi or Door or Decithius or something where it says
Speaker 6: something like, you know, laity should not be interpreting the scriptures.
Speaker 6: So the context of the first one is that in
Speaker 6: terms of officially representing and teaching the church, right, you're not.
Speaker 6: It's not the job of laity without specific permission to
Speaker 6: do so, to do things publicly. So that's the context
Speaker 6: of the first statement. It's always, by the way, the
Speaker 6: canons are always under the purview of the bishop and
Speaker 6: the bishop's interpretation. So it's not like these are laws
Speaker 6: that are not interpreted by the bishop. The bishop interprets
Speaker 6: the law. Secondly, and there have been many laity, by
Speaker 6: the way, who have been theologians and apologists, and I
Speaker 6: mean a lot of monastics, for example, are still laity
Speaker 6: and have done all kinds of debates and apologetics and
Speaker 6: so forth. So there's nothing inherently wrong about that when
Speaker 6: it's done in the right way. And then secondly, the
Speaker 6: later counter Reformation statements are in the context that we're
Speaker 6: responding to the Protestant ideas of private interpretation and the
Speaker 6: right to private interpretation. Ozzie, thank you guys for tune.
Speaker 6: I don't think I'm gonna have time to get to
Speaker 6: the Old Boys, uh as I should. I thought i'd
Speaker 6: have more time than I did, but Jamie's got to
Speaker 6: come in here and do it podcast on a bit.
Speaker 6: So I don't think I'll have time to do Old Boys,
Speaker 6: but we'll get to it next. What's up, man, I'm
Speaker 6: your Ozzie. Oh, Ozzy Osbourne? What's up?
Speaker 3: Heye? Do you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 6: That's Worts something interesting. I don't know if you know
Speaker 6: about this channel.
Speaker 29: It's called rom five to ten, like Romans five ten.
Speaker 29: He recently started making He's like a Protestant dude, and
Speaker 29: he's been making like response videos to your reputations of atheism.
Speaker 29: It's not a huge channel, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 6: But what about it?
Speaker 3: It's very funny.
Speaker 29: Well, sometimes to make sures that are very funny and weird,
Speaker 29: like at one point you made a video that suggested
Speaker 29: that Catholics hate God because of these long robes, like
Speaker 29: for example, like when Jesus like woe to those who
Speaker 29: wear long robes in public or whatever.
Speaker 3: H I don't know.
Speaker 29: I said it was very funny anecdote that thinks like
Speaker 29: Catholics and Orthodox hate Okay, I'll.
Speaker 6: Check it out. Thank you for that. P E. G. N.
Speaker 6: Pagan Johnny Boy five dollars. I know that you joke around.
Speaker 6: A Voice of Reason is very smart. You cannot deny that.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's an absolute midweight. I don't think
Speaker 6: he's intelligent at all. Just that that tells me what
Speaker 6: you think is intelligent?
Speaker 12: Is that?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 12: Can you?
Speaker 8: Uh huh?
Speaker 28: I just wanted to kind of that guy that was
Speaker 28: the Unitarian guy earlier. I always thought it was kind
Speaker 28: of interesting, how the when Jesus says I am before
Speaker 28: Abraham was I am That wouldn't make any sense pragmatically
Speaker 28: unless he was saying I am equal with the God
Speaker 28: that is outside of the bounds of time.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's pretty obvious. But of course,
Speaker 6: if you're going to cope and reinterpret everything, then nothing
Speaker 6: is a proof of anything except for your position. Kevin,
Speaker 6: what's up? Yep, yep? I just had a quick question
Speaker 6: about that, Stina, that's okay, okay.
Speaker 26: Do you think that it was totally all Masad and
Speaker 26: not more I six driven, or because I kind of
Speaker 26: waiting towards it was in my sixth driven and just
Speaker 26: kind of with all the other intelligent stuff, everybody kind
Speaker 26: of plays a part, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: I think it was all of those that was useful
Speaker 6: to all of those agencies, but probably mainly Middle Eastern nectarios,
Speaker 6: Hero Born Entertainment five dollars, Thank you so much, Evan
Speaker 6: ten dollars. If unitarians insisted Jesus is merely a creature,
Speaker 6: they have no choice but to condemn Jesus as a blasphemer. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: that's what the fair who's doing? But of course they
Speaker 6: won't because they are cowards. Good God, the Father five dollars.
Speaker 6: Jesus was full of grace and truth which came through
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ. Correct. What's up man?
Speaker 3: Hey? Jay?
Speaker 34: First off, thank you for the movie recommendation on your
Speaker 34: last stream, the Red writing it was actually a good movie.
Speaker 4: Just finished it today, So thank you for that.
Speaker 6: Did you watch the whole trilogy or one of them?
Speaker 34: No, I literally just got done with the first one.
Speaker 34: I'm gonna start heading on to the second part of
Speaker 34: the trilogy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody said Andrew Garfield was based I thought that
Speaker 6: was pretty cool. I hope so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I have a buddy, Kelly.
Speaker 4: He's coming from Protestants and he's right next to me.
Speaker 4: He wanted to ask you a quick question that he's
Speaker 4: been struggling with on his search to orthodoxy.
Speaker 21: Thank you.
Speaker 6: So we just learned what love is. I hope you
Speaker 6: guys appreciate that We've been waiting this whole time and
Speaker 6: we finally did learn what love is. And that was it. Taylor,
Speaker 6: what's up, man?
Speaker 3: I want to know who love is?
Speaker 2: What to show me?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: Taylor?
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift what's up every pop stars calling at night?
Speaker 2: Hey man, you kind of got me into the direction
Speaker 2: of Orthodoxy, so thank you for that.
Speaker 4: And I have two quick questions.
Speaker 2: One is I've noticed that an Orthodoxy there's lots of
Speaker 2: people who still believe in evolution, and I kind of
Speaker 2: got contense on ongoing against evolution by some pure videos.
Speaker 6: I was wondering if you'd.
Speaker 2: Ever considered debating an Orthodox person who's pro evolution.
Speaker 4: That's first question.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 6: It have to go because we got a bunch of
Speaker 6: people and I'm trying to hurry. I gotta do the
Speaker 6: supertest too, before Jamie gets in here. I don't actually
Speaker 6: know of an Orthodox person who does debates defending evolution.
Speaker 6: Most of the people who have that just kind of
Speaker 6: have that as their view, but most of them are
Speaker 6: not debaters of that view. So if there was a
Speaker 6: guy that used to write for Soul the East who
Speaker 6: was an Orthodox guy who's a big he was like
Speaker 6: an evolution fanatic. His name is Martin something, and I
Speaker 6: remember trying to get him to come to debate and
Speaker 6: he was told douchebag, he wouldn't do it. So I
Speaker 6: don't know where's one of the debates aqua Oe ten
Speaker 6: dollars Jay if he's in the movie Zero, directed by
Speaker 6: Jean Luke Ebolow. It is the same type of feeling
Speaker 6: that I got watching Annihilation. No, I don't think I've
Speaker 6: heard of this. Let's see. By the way, I wanted
Speaker 6: to give a shout out to all of these young
Speaker 6: bros and even one Asian chick who made all these
Speaker 6: videos that have just popped up within the last two weeks.
Speaker 6: There's like multiple videos popping up within the last couple
Speaker 6: of weeks of young bros and gals converting to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 6: They just sorted popping up in my feed and uh so,
Speaker 6: shout out to Planks and Pieces. I watched his video
Speaker 6: that was really well made video.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 6: We got this bro over here, Luke Luke Cheney, granddaughter
Speaker 6: of Dick Cheney. Right here, he said, why he's converted Orthodoxy,
Speaker 6: blessed wretch over here, this bro over here doing full
Speaker 6: on fridge streams, doing a straight up fridge stream He's
Speaker 6: converted Orthodoxy. We got Bartholomew over here. He's in Australia.
Speaker 6: He's conveitted to Walton, Aussie as well. So and then
Speaker 6: I forgot where the where's the Chinese girls. I think
Speaker 6: she was Chinese. Where is she at? She popped up too?
Speaker 10: This is her here?
Speaker 6: Asians gonna be mad if I get it wrong. Is
Speaker 6: she Japanese? She's Japanese? Sake to Nihongo. They and there's
Speaker 6: more by the way. There's like other ones popping up
Speaker 6: by the way. So we got an army, all right,
Speaker 6: we're building an army, not a literal army, idiots, uh,
Speaker 6: a theological army. So check out all the based converts.
Speaker 6: Props to all these people right here. Check that out.
Speaker 3: I want no love me.
Speaker 6: I gotta look up this movie Zero by Jean lu Zero.
Speaker 6: Thank you, hick at Heart. Two dollars. Do you dip?
Speaker 6: It's a Alps bro No, I don't dip. Do yacht
Speaker 6: to Monsoon? Ten dollars. Who you got in a fight?
Speaker 6: Yakoub versus Tyson Fury? Duh Yakub created Tyson Fury, so
Speaker 6: obviously he would win. Jordan Lofgren two dollars?
Speaker 3: What up?
Speaker 5: Queen?
Speaker 6: What's all girl? Emilion? What's up? A meal? Shout out
Speaker 6: to our baze to serve man a milion? Twenty bucks,
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, man Z, I need e ten
Speaker 6: dollars Jesus claimed to be God, but it's deeper, it's
Speaker 6: through prophecy. Then it's just a simple word God. I
Speaker 6: do not understand how anyone can argue that he was
Speaker 6: claiming to be part of the triad. Well go watch
Speaker 6: my video on the Trinity in the Old Testament and
Speaker 6: the Deed of Christ comic books in cahoots. Five dollars. Jay,
Speaker 6: I've been getting by on my intuition since the world
Speaker 6: was crazy went crazy in twenty twenty. You helped me
Speaker 6: understand this discernment all along. Thanks you, thank you. Appreciate
Speaker 6: that man. Guys who want to support the trem of
Speaker 6: you just super chats. Ozan says, let me correct my
Speaker 6: super chat. It wasn't worded correctly. I can't understand how
Speaker 6: people believe that Jesus wasn't claiming to be got correct
Speaker 6: sink twenty one five dollars. Is it worth reading? The
Speaker 6: City of God is Orthodox? Yeah, it's a great book.
Speaker 6: I mean, we don't agree with every theological statement, but
Speaker 6: I did do a talk throughout the totality of City
Speaker 6: of God. You can go check that out on my
Speaker 6: archives on this channel on plank and pieces. Five dollars day.
Speaker 6: Thank you for some love on the video. Appreciate you, Hey,
Speaker 6: shout out to you.
Speaker 18: Man.
Speaker 6: I thought there's a really really tight, fancy made video.
Speaker 6: You went full on fancy bro like you put some
Speaker 6: time into this thing. Oh, speaking of videos, so I
Speaker 6: tried to tap into making a accessible, you know, a
Speaker 6: little bit of philosophy knowledge video on tag. So it
Speaker 6: seems to be resid well with people that got within
Speaker 6: three hours ten thousand views, which I don't usually get
Speaker 6: that much within a few hours. So the argument for
Speaker 6: God You Never Heard is intended to be a introductory
Speaker 6: level level one introduction to tag. Obviously I can't cover
Speaker 6: everything in that one, but check it out. By the way, guys,
Speaker 6: I will try to stream. I might stream later, we'll see,
Speaker 6: but Jamie's got to come in here and do an interview,
Speaker 6: so I'm not gonna have time. I don't think to
Speaker 6: get to everybody in the calls, but guys, don't worry.
Speaker 6: I open it up for calls almost every other day.
Speaker 6: Let's see, birds aren't even real five dollars. Holy crap.
Speaker 6: That woman that called in sounds like Lorraine Broco. Who's
Speaker 6: the Lorraine Broco. It's probably somebody from a TV show.
Speaker 6: Jab Peltya. Two dollars, Jay, you better be nice, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm not me. Being nice is having fun and joking
Speaker 6: around Alter Void. Five dollars. Tell him, missus, Pope, tell
Speaker 6: him the rules next. Oh, she's saying to her, you
Speaker 6: tell him this, Pope. Joshua Tree two dollars. What do
Speaker 6: you think on polite, Lee Dair, I don't don't know
Speaker 6: what that is. Sounds like some French thing. Joshua Tree again,
Speaker 6: ten dollars. I just saw a video by a guy
Speaker 6: called Polyta Lee Dare on orthodoxy. They're the least convincing
Speaker 6: arguments I've hurt against Orthodoxy. Ever, I'm not I have
Speaker 6: to see what that is. I'm thinking about it. Never
Speaker 6: heard of it. Jordan Lofgrin five dollars. Yoda's smooth cam
Speaker 6: swap is proof that your boy has made it out
Speaker 6: of the hood. Yeah, this is the Proofer here, Look
Speaker 6: did I make it out of the hood? Well, how
Speaker 6: can I do three multiple angles? Boom boom boom If
Speaker 6: I didn't make it out the hood? I I don't
Speaker 6: know who I love it. I got to read the
Speaker 6: super Jazz Babe Jamies and hurry. The movie is zero
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four Aquanote, I'd definitely check it out for sure.
Speaker 6: Austin five dollars. Where's h Brosey? The chat needs some
Speaker 6: more melon it. He said he was going to take
Speaker 6: a break from the internet, so I'm assuming that's still happening.
Speaker 6: User jay I eight five dollars. What are the best
Speaker 6: three books to understand and read where society is at?
Speaker 6: What do you think about preterists? And well, partial preterism
Speaker 6: is true, that's the orthodox view. Three books to read
Speaker 6: about society and where we're at go through my Global
Speaker 6: Elite book series. So I've got a whole playlist where
Speaker 6: I go through the Global Elite blocks and I think
Speaker 6: most of those they're all pretty essential and substantial, So
Speaker 6: you could pick from that list. Flavius ten dollars. What
Speaker 6: do you think about mar Maury? Unfortunately mar Maury is heaterodox,
Speaker 6: so I would say go watch Father Michael's video critiquing Marmari.
Speaker 6: It also went viral. Grotci became a re member. What's up?
Speaker 6: Almost done, babe, don't worry, Jamie's getting all nervous. Last
Speaker 6: couple of se which has auditing Ireland five dollars. Do
Speaker 6: you believe in an overarching n WO that that can
Speaker 6: that it paralyzes people into helplessness. I think some of
Speaker 6: the propaganda, the psyops is intended to, yeah, make you
Speaker 6: feel like, you know, to make you black piled. Sure,
Speaker 6: I see multiple competing theories encouraging people to action and skepticism.
Speaker 6: This sounds like Robert anton Wilson Operation mind Freak.
Speaker 22: Well.
Speaker 6: I mean, Robert Anton Wilson was a Crollian, so I
Speaker 6: wouldn't trust his analysis. But I mean he's right that
Speaker 6: there's controlled opposition and dialectics. But I mean the real
Speaker 6: conspiracy is you know, fallen angels and Satan right and
Speaker 6: the order that he's erected to try to create a
Speaker 6: one world babble against God and then you know the
Speaker 6: Kingdom of Heaven. That's the real battle. And that relates
Speaker 6: to this next question of Gus is twenty dollars. What
Speaker 6: are aliens? Do you think they're Grays and a Nachi,
Speaker 6: fallen angels or demons or evil human beings trying to
Speaker 6: fool the masses. I have many podcasts on aliens. You
Speaker 6: can go watch my podcasts on Father Sarah. From Rose's
Speaker 6: book Orthodox in the Religion in the Future, there's a
Speaker 6: demonic component, but there's also a black ops psy op
Speaker 6: component to it as well, and we've done many interviews
Speaker 6: on that angle. Watched the documentary Mirage.
Speaker 17: Men.
Speaker 6: Okay, let's see. I think we're at the last of
Speaker 6: the superchets here. Ocean whiskers, Jay, thank you? What is
Speaker 6: why exactly the transient argument works in the orthodox paradigm
Speaker 6: paradigm you have to watch the video from Trinity, From
Speaker 6: Tag to Trinity, that video is designed to do to
Speaker 6: explain that. Can't explain that right now, mister Simpin Simpanage
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Speaker 6: I'm blocked on your channel. Could have I mean, we
Speaker 6: I have mods, so the mods might have blocked you.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but I'll try to look you up
Speaker 6: and unblock you. Mister Simpoge, unblocking hick at heart, No,
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Speaker 17: What do you?
Speaker 6: What are your opinions on President, Professor Jiang and predictive history.
Speaker 6: I mean, I see everybody talking about this guy. All
Speaker 6: of a sudden, I heard he's a gnostic, So I
Speaker 6: would disagree with that by no, Cote, I think just
Speaker 6: interviewed h I'll have to I'll have to look and
Speaker 6: see exactly what his positions are. Last Secretary's jatoine, No,
Speaker 6: that was the Truman Show. Yeah, we're gonna do Truman Show.
Speaker 6: I think the Jim Bob and I are gonna do
Speaker 6: Dark City and Truman Show. All right, guys, thank you.
Speaker 6: I will try to livestream again very soon. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it either tonight or tomorrow for sure. Uh,
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Speaker 6: So Trithemias ten dollars. I believe orthodoxy is true the Orthodox.
Speaker 6: I imagine monks orthox, monks on aracus, like the Desert
Speaker 6: Fathers posts Teller Orthodoxy would be traditional. That sounds cool, Gabe,
Speaker 6: ten dollars. How would you rent the diviner? Hidden? This rate?
Speaker 6: The divine hidden this argument because it seems like it's
Speaker 6: a better argument for the problem of evil. We'll look
Speaker 6: up my video on the problem of evil, and I
Speaker 6: would say that would answer that question. I have won
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