Speaker 1: The weird little piece of feet. Because I'm a love
for a fa.
Speaker 2: My health is.
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goes on the blow, crying, goes on a bit of beach.
A bitch with a sassa fid such a little backpack
for the north flows, for the little olympus spree. Put
on a little bit of lemon spree, a lemon spread
on a lemon spray atty bed, feeling nor elfes.
Speaker 3: Feeling only your fees.
Speaker 1: Willow versus evil witch. That's a little song of bitch,
willow versus huge.
Speaker 4: Says a little bitch, says a little back says a
little proto.
Speaker 1: Back in the larger wood, back away in the wishle
like a little limpus beard leanders puck a little limbus beard. Girls,
good it mustard love with a hobby. Didn't you try
to stop? Well, look at something.
Speaker 3: Something?
Speaker 5: Oh, the song is actually pretty awesome.
Speaker 6: Forgot about this one thirty thousand chad thirty thousand chad nerds,
thirty thousand can you hear meny nerds?
Speaker 5: He ain't thirty thousand chad nerds anymore.
Speaker 6: We're almost two hundred dollars of chatards, and then it's
gonna be five hundred thousand, and it's gonna be a million.
Speaker 7: Chats amid the ruins from the solo Baby. Alright, this
is a last song, and.
Speaker 6: I we're tarting, y'all ready for the double seven depatm
thirty thousand chad Nerds, thirty thousand chad Nerds, three hundred
thousand chad Nerds. That's next up. Look how far we
come from thirty thousand chad Nerds to three hundred thousand
chad Nerds. I'm gonna say in a year or two
worst case scenario. But I'm not Derek myth visions, so
I don't have the ability to prophesize exactly how many
followers I'll have. Oh wait a minute, his prophesizing failed,
false prophet exposed. All right, it's open for him.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 6: I think I packed too many things in. I don't
know if we're gonna be able to get to everything,
but we'll take some calls. I'm gonna try to go
through the next section of old Boys, the geopolitical text
that I'm reading right now. As you guys know, we're
reading through the history of the OSS and the CAA
from the Council Form Relations itself, the official historian of
that group or one of the Official Council Form Relation
Member historians Burton. So that will be the next section
that we work through. Let's take a couple of calls
right away, since we've got people waiting. What's up, man, anything,
anything you want to talk about. It's open for him, y'all.
I just get to sit back and look pretty.
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: I can hear you.
Speaker 9: It was I had a question about like related to
like philosophy.
Speaker 6: Okay, I was expecting to get in because.
Speaker 4: It's sorry, because I don't know how these spaces.
Speaker 6: Work, so like I wasn't expecting you to get in either,
consider yourself.
Speaker 4: So basically I've heard you.
Speaker 9: Use You're talking about tag argument and you're like, oh,
ultimately the laws of people, like ultimately, like argumentation becomes circular.
And then I'm not trying to like point out like
a confronation or anything like that or like that you're
making a fallacy, but I just want to know the difference.
So you'll use that.
Speaker 4: But then you'll like call out the Muslims and.
Speaker 9: They hate is like you'll bring up your whiteboard so
how like they're making a fallacy.
Speaker 6: With Yeah, it's two different two different levels or tiers
of philosophy. At the paradigm level, we're arguing that you
can't escape being recursive or self referencing. So in other words,
at a certain level, everybody's worldview will be ultimately self referencing.
So in other words, at some point you'll bottom out
to where you can't appeal to any other higher authority.
There's nothing else you could appeal to. So for example,
if you think about language, right, if I say, well,
can you define language or explain how language works without
using words? No, you can't. It's impossible. So there's something
The way paradigms or even set theory itself works is
that at a certain point they become self referencing. That's
not the same thing as the fallacy of circular reasoning.
So two different domains, two different paradigms. So, for example,
if a Muslim says that the Old Testament is false
and corrupted, and we know this from the Quran, and
you can check the Quran against the Old Testament, that's
a contradictory, you know, circular type of argument. That's not
the same thing as saying at a certain level, all
arguments become self referencing. Another example, logic, can you prove
logic without assuming logic? No, because making an argument for
logic assumes the thing in question. So that's why it's
two different levels of argumentation. The circularity fallacy is usually
at a more mundane level, or when it comes to
it's like first order versus second order reasoning.
Speaker 9: Gotcha, Okay, that makes more sense. Like I kind of
viewed it that way, but you kind of put.
Speaker 4: The words to it to make it make sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So appreciate a great question. Yeah, that's a question
that comes up quite a bit. So a good one.
But Buddha, Buddha, the Buddha's calling in y'all time to
practice some detachment. Uh, why would y'all practice some detachments
with the super chats with your wallet and support the
streams through superchats. Superchats are done through your stream labs,
or you can do it natively through YouTube as well.
What's up? Hello, am I? You are you are here?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 3: Let's go?
Speaker 11: Okay, So I want to challenge you on an idea, right,
So I love Jesus, I do love the teachings of
Buddho too. I know that may seem contradictory to you,
but I want to.
Speaker 3: Know where from the Gospels that Jesus is calling himself
ontologically God.
Speaker 6: I don't see that. You want to know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like I don't understand, like, for instance, he I.
Speaker 6: Want to know what love is. I want you to
show me what love is.
Speaker 5: I want to know what love is.
Speaker 2: What show.
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 6: So have you read Have you read John One?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I have. But I don't think that that's saying that
Jesus is solo God.
Speaker 6: Well he's not. He's not solo God because the word
God is a generic term and can be used for
different things. So for example, God the Father is also
called God. The Holy Spirit is called God, and so likewise,
Jesus is calling himself in John one, the son of
the Father, who is identical to him in nature but
different from him in terms of a person or hypostasis.
Speaker 11: But John one is not written by Jesus, and that's
not what he said, like when he's quoted like for instance,
in the Gospel.
Speaker 6: You understand that nothing is written by Jesus. No, but
let me explaence you right, but hold on, but slow
down because you understand that jesusn't actually write anything that
we know of. You understand that I.
Speaker 4: Think quotes from him in the Gospel contradicted there.
Speaker 6: Who wrote the quotes? So first of all, who wrote
the quotes?
Speaker 4: Okay, but it doesn't matter who I'm saying Jesus.
Speaker 6: If it doesn't matter, then it does doesn't matter that
he didn't write anything. So that just destroyed your own argument.
Speaker 4: No, you're not even letting me say what Jesus is.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to let you move on until you
stop making fallacious arguments. So does it matter who wrote
it or not?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Okay, So if Jesus didn't write down the parts that
you're saying that Jesus said, then that undercuts your argument.
Speaker 11: No, it doesn't, because I believe that people who wrote
it down were writing what he really said.
Speaker 6: Okay, then you have to believe John One because that's
the same author of the other parts that Jesus.
Speaker 3: Said that contradiction you what. Okay?
Speaker 9: So he says God the Father knows everything, and I
don't know everything he.
Speaker 6: Says he doesn't. So hold on one text at a time,
one text at a time. And John One, you just
said that you do believe John's testimony. He says that
the Son is Stop interrupting me. He says, the Son
is the Word of the Father and is God. Yeah, Christ,
this is too stupid to even wait. We're not We're done.
So this is not ara. It's not a rational person. Again,
if you come in with like multiple fallacies within the
first five twenty seconds, we're done. It's not a rational person.
Can't get any more with that person. Tzar, what's up?
So again, Christ is a specific term from Hebrew theology.
Christ means the anointed one, the Mahiach, the Messiah. There
are not many Messiahs, not many Christs. The Buddha is
not a Christ because it doesn't even make sense because
it's not a Buddhist term. What's up, man? What are
you banging? Ship? What's going on? Its busy?
Speaker 4: As something?
Speaker 6: A good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Yeah, just want there is something that I wanted to
ask about.
Speaker 4: In terms of geopositive.
Speaker 6: It has to do with Orthodox Ya. He wasn't to
talk about that, Okay, get to it.
Speaker 13: So I do understand that the patriarch in Constantinople granted
Ortoseephony to the schismatic Church in Ukraine and whatnot but
I notice an issue because I'm from South Africa, and
not an issue that the Mission of South Africa is
headed by the patriarch in Alexandria.
Speaker 4: That's his jurisdiction.
Speaker 13: We're seeing Russian jurisdiction coming into Africa without what would
be the word approval from the Alexandrian patriarch, so much
so that they're even paying off Greek bishop of Greek
priests and deacons to work as Russian priest and deacons
rather than the Greeks.
Speaker 4: Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 6: But I mean there's always been these jurisdictional squabbles and problems,
but the real person who's that fault here is the
patriarch Constantinople. And if you go to the Union of
Orthodox Journalist's website, they just posted a bunch of things
on that today exposing Bartholomew Todd. What's up, toad? Excuse me, toad,
the wet sprocket, what's up?
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 15: I just wanted to kind of respond to that Buddha guy,
if that's okay.
Speaker 4: And explain why we don't struggle with the whole is.
Speaker 16: Jesus God thing or.
Speaker 6: If that's okay, with you, Okay, just make it quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure.
Speaker 15: So you know, when you look at worship, it requires sacrifice.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean killing an animal.
Speaker 15: And you look at worship, it's offering hospitality to a deity.
Speaker 6: The Eucharist kind of flips that on its head.
Speaker 15: Christ offers us the Eucharist with the authority of God.
It's his alter, it's his table, it's his body.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to say I am God.
Speaker 15: Because he offers himself as God to us. That's more
of a definitive statement than anything else that he could
have verbalized.
Speaker 6: Well, he verbalized it multiple times, saying I am. I
mean every time he shays I am. In the Book
of John, he's affirming his deity. John, what's up? Man?
Before Abraham was I am? And he makes himself equal
to the Father in John eight and they want to
stone him. What's up? John?
Speaker 17: I just wanted to point out one thing you You
actually just created a new argument. And you said he
was making a phelic argument. Uh.
Speaker 6: Yes, all bad arguments are phelic arguments because they suck.
All right, we're getting too we're getting to rated RI,
we're getting rated R. Gotta stop. Who's next? John? Feel free?
To stay on, Isaac, Isaac Hayes, what's up? We got
all these weird, weird bands calling in. We had Toad
the Wetsprocket. Isaac Hayes, what's up?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can hear?
Speaker 6: I want to know what love is?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 18: So I kind of have like a hermetic transcendental argument,
and I figure if anyone could dismantle it, it'd probably
be youlling.
Speaker 6: Are you trolling? Are you trolling? Are you serious?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: I'm like, dead serious, dead serious. Okay, what's your hermetic
transcendent argument?
Speaker 4: So in the first book of the Hermetic.
Speaker 19: Like Philosophy, the discourse between the and Andres and there
is yeah, okay, there is this or I guess it
describes a trinity within there. And since this is written
in antiquity, it is at the very least contemporary with
Christian writings.
Speaker 6: So they yeah, but you know, under the trinity comes
from the Torah, not from the Christian writings.
Speaker 4: I mean sure, I guess, Okay.
Speaker 6: So it doesn't matter temporarily. Then this would be after
the Trinity doctrine, because that's a Juda doctrine.
Speaker 4: I guess that influence wouldn't really make a difference.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I do know that there is the Trinity in
the Old Testament as well, But anyway.
Speaker 6: My point with that is that.
Speaker 19: The trinity indrace is it allows for multiplicity, so it
doesn't evolve into total monism or.
Speaker 6: You know, standard Yeah, but the way that we make
the transcenal argument is not that there's a minimal amount
of necessary attributes. It's all of the attributes that are
necessary for a specific deity. So you can't ground it
in neoplatonism, which is what I think you're you're going
for here with Well, well, here's a couple attributes that
are shared between two different triads. It's a vastly different triad.
So all the critiques of neoplatonism would apply to what
you're talking about.
Speaker 19: I I would just I don't think all of them do,
because my stance is not purely neoplatonic.
Speaker 6: Okay, is the world created or is it an eternal emanation? Okay?
Is the world created or is it an eternal emanation?
Speaker 4: I know the world is created?
Speaker 6: What's it?
Speaker 10: X neilo.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're saying the corpus hermaticum teaches hermatica, teaches
ex creation X neilo. I've never heard that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that one could interpret it that way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh has anyone ever interpreted that way? Or this
your novel interpretation?
Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, no, it is a novel interpretation. But
I don't see about that would matter like Pilo.
Speaker 6: Well, because in order to derive the Christian theological teachings,
it's not divorced from history. So the fact that you're
two thousand years later having a novel interpretation of the
Harmatica to try to find what are specifically uh Judaic
and Christian teachings about creation x nilo would be a
defeat for what you're coming up with. I mean, you're
just copying and pasting.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I don't think so. I could argue
that you're you, well not you personally, but.
Speaker 19: You know Christianity, or I guess Judaism had copied Plato
and then expanded upon that.
Speaker 6: How did Judaism copy Plato when when Moses is far
earlier than Plato. Where's your where's the proof that Judaism copied.
Speaker 4: Plays existed in the first place?
Speaker 6: All right, here we go, sure you this is too stupid? Yeah,
good job too. All right, who's next? Tendall?
Speaker 17: Let's you know on that on that note, is that
in the Pelicon, in the Pelanicon.
Speaker 6: Book, he's hush, he's talking.
Speaker 17: Go ahead, John, I was saying in the Pelicon book
on the Catholic tradition, Uh huh, he actually says that
there there's people who speculate that the Greeks might have
borrowed from the Old Testament.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, the Early Church, the early Church fathers
argue this. Aaron As argues that, Justin Marter argues it. So, yeah,
it's just a very arbitrary to just assume that everything
that the Greeks had, you know, the Christians ripped off. Well,
there's actually a symbiotic relationship with like Christian philosophy in
a Patristic era era and uh, you know, Greek philosophy.
But you could argue that, yeah, Filo was hellenized. But
to then hands your argument on maybe Moses never existed, Well, okay,
maybe you know, it's far less likely that Hermes Trismagistus
existed other than Moses. So that's a bad line of argument, Tendall,
what's up.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I was wondering if you could do Karence mckinna
talking about how Plato could have came before Moses.
Speaker 21: Yes, well, we are relying on a lot of Judaic interpretations,
and if you're familiar with Jewish rabbinical thought, it's misogynistic,
especially in the writings of Solomon, and Solomon had many wives,
which produced his misogyny, and that's what led them to
come to the conclusion that they were suppressing women and
suppressing polyamorous relationships.
Speaker 6: Ecumenical, boy, what's up? That is probably that that literally
sounds like some kind of bullshit turns McKenna would actually argue,
what's up, man, A fool?
Speaker 10: I'm just saying, as a Mexican, like, what do you
think of all this ice stuff?
Speaker 3: Full? Like, I don't know how to feel full?
Speaker 6: You talk about vanilla eyes. By the way, I was
the first person to make that joke, and then everybody
ripped off my mem Now I think, look, I look.
I've been a longtime member of the vip Posse. I
joined the vip Posse when I was in sixth grade.
I went as no Ice for Halloween in sixth grade.
I've always been a fan of Robert van Winkle. He
was the o g Wigger. So when it comes to Ice,
I'm on board, dude, Ice Ice baby Darius, what's up?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 6: Better be a brother. It's better be a fellow bipop person.
If I see a profile named Darius and it comes
up and it ain't a Persian or a brother, I'm out.
Speaker 3: He j Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: You don't sound black, can you hear me, Jake?
Speaker 22: Yes?
Speaker 4: So basically I had some question in regarding to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 14: Okay, one question, Yeah, but I need to kind of
give you a brief history where we.
Speaker 6: Don't have time for a brief history. Ask your question.
Come on, I'm gonna hurry you today.
Speaker 14: I'm getting serious about Orthodoxy, so I need some advice
or what steps to get because I was an Orthodox,
but I when I moved to Germany, I basically became
Protestant for Evangelical and I left the church like two
years ago, and now I'm getting interested in.
Speaker 6: Orthodox I can Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 14: Like how I heard the arguments from your YouTube channel
also from caire the guy is called Yeah, you know,
I'm also a teading your MENIU Orthodox Church because I'm
from Moldova.
Speaker 4: Okay, and yeah, I just want to ask, like are
there some books or some things I need to get into?
Speaker 23: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, well our Protestant background. I would say, get
a hold of doctor Clark Carlton's book. There's a three
volume trilogy, The Way, the Truth, and the Life. I
want to say that the I forget the name of
the which whatever volume I read this like fifteen years ago.
One of the volumes is directed towards Protestant evangelical mindsets.
So I'd say get a hold of Clark Carlton's book.
I would say, get a hold of Vladimir Lawski's book
Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church, and pretty much anything
for the most part that Lawsky writes is good. So
I would start there, and then you know, check out
Athanacious on the Incarnation and the five theological Orations of
the Cappadocians. What's up, man, I want to know who
would love pease? I want you to show me. I'm mute, dude,
cruising for a braison, I'm mute. Crusader of truth, I'm mute.
Speaker 1: I want to know I love is a water show.
Speaker 6: Nobody knows these Boomer songs, Crusader, do you want to
talk or not? Man? All right? Moving on, Dmitri, Dmitri,
I'm mute, Guys, when you come up, just unmute yourselves. Man,
we've been doing this.
Speaker 3: You heard Oh man, can I just ask you? Oh
my gosh, No, it's aorry about that.
Speaker 8: But amen, you're the first one who I heard about,
one of the first about the.
Speaker 3: Younger of Christians.
Speaker 4: With Kyle, I was wondering, have you heard about a
ten that was.
Speaker 6: The first one who really showed me about Young Earth?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've known about him for a long time. What
about it?
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm just curious on your opinion, and what about
Andrew Wilson on the I'm not liking a Younger of
creationist or ridiculous.
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to Andrew about his position on Young Earth,
but I actually agree that most of the Young Earth
creationists are a bunch of goober tards so ken Ham
Ken Hooven. I mean, they're terrible representatives. They're absolute goofballs.
So I wish that we had better, better presenters of
those kinds of positions. Connor, what's up?
Speaker 4: I really had one question, and it would be what
is your fun? What is your opinion about idealism?
Speaker 3: And can I cohere with.
Speaker 21: The world?
Speaker 6: Is not an ideal construct construct? We're not Platonists. We're
not Hegelians. There is an external world. There is matter.
For example, in many places in the Patristic writings and
in the Ecumenical councils. We know that Jesus took on matter.
I'm aware that you could say, oh, well, maybe the
matter is also an idea.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: So there's never been in the history of the Orthodox
Church anybody teaching idealism, and in fact it's really just
platonism ultimately, and Platonism is condemned multiple places in the
Church of Fathers and in the councils, particularly the Sonoticon
condemns it many times over. You will try again, let's see.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: No, if you already came up, don't I'm going not
going to you. JT. What's up?
Speaker 3: Who I want to know? Who I love? Is a
want to show me?
Speaker 6: Not really, I'm not sexting with you guys in the
chat did not want any of you to show me
what love is. What's up?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 6: JT A.
Speaker 24: Junie for Wilson of Bulls that debates are more for
like convincing the audience.
Speaker 4: Rather than the person you're debating than I might just
dumb to know why, because it seems like if you
can convince your opponent. That would be the most convincing.
Speaker 6: Things because most of the time people that go into debates,
ninety nine percent of the time are not there to
be corrected or to learn the truth. So it's just
a practical observation. It's not saying that we never want
to convert the opponent. Of course, we want to convert
the opponent. In fact, the opponent is part of the audience.
When you're speaking in the debate, the opponent is also
a part of the audience. So yeah, we would want
to convert them. But ninety nine percent of the time
you're not going to convert your opponent. The debate is
for the audience. Solid snake, what's up? Oh no, no, no,
what love isn't.
Speaker 17: O?
Speaker 12: Jay?
Speaker 3: I love your videos.
Speaker 4: Thank you for everything.
Speaker 6: Okay, here comes now. When when it begins with a compliment,
usually means I'm in for hillacious nonsense, So give me
all of why. I'm a massive you know, piece of craft.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 6: I like you, Okay, That's all I care about is
people like me. I just want to be liked.
Speaker 3: No, I'm orthodox. I like your videos.
Speaker 6: I just want to know what love is. Go ahead,
I love you.
Speaker 17: Is that it?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 17: All right?
Speaker 24: Kick me off?
Speaker 3: Kick me off?
Speaker 24: Please.
Speaker 6: I don't get what people think. It's like, where's the
joke and don't get it. I want to know what
David is. What's up, David? I'm here?
Speaker 25: Hello?
Speaker 6: Are you calling me from a shower?
Speaker 5: I'm about to show me what love is right now.
Speaker 6: I'm in a factory, a shower factory. What's up?
Speaker 3: Thanks for everything?
Speaker 22: I'm going going a liturgy for about a month now.
Speaker 6: But I have a dudes in the You calling me
from the dance You calling me from the noise factory?
Is that where they make noise?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well we make plans for two?
Speaker 8: Am I bowing?
Speaker 26: Oh?
Speaker 6: Okay? David Bowie Okay, he's working in the David Bowie Factory.
He's making cool of up god music. What's up? Actual question?
And then he drops off bro the uh Dick Dick
Cheney's ah, he's faffing up the signal. Dog. He's over
there working in the Boeing factory, and Dick Cheney's up
there in the control room shutting down the signal. Josie,
what's up? I want to work in the David Bowie factory.
I don't know it sounds that might be a little
a little weird. What would you get paid if you
worked in the David Bowie Factor, where you get paid
in glitter or some weird shit? What's up?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 27: That was up?
Speaker 3: Jay? I just had a quick question, real quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, why don't you ask me? I'm orthodox about that.
Speaker 4: I just made that clear.
Speaker 2: I was introduced to well, I ran into a Instagram
post essentially just take a talking nonsense about how Judaism
and therefore Christianity just.
Speaker 3: Evolves from this kN Knight religion. Yah wism.
Speaker 4: I was wondering what your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the argument before?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's been going around, That's been going around for
thirty years. First of all, the way that the Canaanite
storm God is presented bears no similarities at all to
the way that the God of the Scriptures is presented.
And I do not like William Lane Craig, but he
does have one good book on this very topic, and
it's called Creation ex Nilo. And in that book he
goes through the Torah and basically presents all the ways
in which the essential attributes and characteristics of the God
of the Bible are contrasted to the sort of zeitgeist
lowest commonnominator approach that you hear from that kind of
a level of argumentation. So it's called creation. Next elo
by Wimland Craig, what's up, Brave Heart? We got William
Wallace in the chat what's up Dog? There are similarities
between Bail and Allah. Well, Look, similarities is not the
same thing as identity. You can find similarity between any object.
And again this goes back to the word concept fallacy.
It goes back to the way that idiotic conspiracy people
misinterpret things the way evangelicals interpret you know, Alexander Hislop. Look,
the Pope has a fish hat, that's the Babylonian hat
because it's a similar shape. Similar shapes does not mean
the same reference. Similar symbol doesn't mean the same reference. Again,
the lion of the tribe of Judah and Satan walking
around like a lion seeking human man devour, while guess
that means that Jesus is Satan. That's literally the Charles
Manson Schitzo level interpretation. And this is the same approach
that evangelicals and conspiracy towards use. It's the same reference
because it's the same thing, and it's the same way
that Schizo's operates. Schizo's think that the same thing is
a metaphysical reference. The apple in the garden, apple computers.
Therefore Apple Computers was in the garden. No, that's a nod,
that's a fallacy. And Candae is only like one week
away from that. What's up, Brave New World, brave heart whatever.
I'm you hi, first time.
Speaker 28: Here for me.
Speaker 23: I have a kind of a going back question regarding
Erica Kirk and what you had discernment said to you
when you saw her and kneel next.
Speaker 3: To the coffin of Kirk Charlie Kirk. I mean, did anything.
Speaker 6: Captain Kirk are you talking about? Hold on, are you saying?
Are you saying she kneeled next to the coffin of
Captain Kirk?
Speaker 23: Sorry, I mispoked Charlie Kirk, her husband. So when she
kneeled down and was doing that video, what did your
senses discernment, Holy Spirit, experience, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: What went often you?
Speaker 23: Because that is when I knew there was no question
there's something wrong. And it just doesn't seem like you guys,
the big, the big, you know, Alex you Nick. Nobody
seems to care about that, really, And I just don't understand.
Speaker 3: And I'm confused because I respect you. I'm learning a
lot by you. I'm a longtime Christian.
Speaker 23: I'm not orthodox, However, I believe I have good discernment.
I've been in the Bible for twenty five years self study.
Speaker 3: I love God. And there's something wrong with that woman.
So why don't you care? Why don't you be a
voice and stand up? It's Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, Well I'll say this. When I saw that,
I was about two boxes deep into phronsia, and it
was specifically the uh you know, the cherry flavor of phronsia.
And I probably wasn't able to function rationally when I
saw it because I was so deep into phronsia and
then when I woke up from my fronsia.
Speaker 10: But I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 25: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Phronsia?
Speaker 6: You're not familiar with boxwe No.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm sixty four years old, I'm a grandmother.
Help me out here.
Speaker 6: There's no way that a grandmother is not familiar with phronsia.
Speaker 3: Is it a flavor of ice cream? What is it?
Speaker 6: I suppose you could technically freeze it. I have been
to places where they freeze box wine, so that's serious.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to I don't know what that means. What
are you talking about?
Speaker 6: I'm talking about box wine, probably the premiere brand of
box wine.
Speaker 3: Actually, what is box one? I don't know what that means?
Speaker 5: Box?
Speaker 3: I really don't know.
Speaker 6: W I any wine?
Speaker 3: Oh wine, box wine? Sorry I didn't hear you. Okay, wine,
thank you, thank you?
Speaker 6: All right, So tell me your favorite flavor of phronsia
before we continue.
Speaker 3: I don't drink phronsie.
Speaker 23: If I have a glass of wine is at a
restaurant and I spend way too much for one glass.
Speaker 3: So all right, let's just leave it at that. So
can we can we just continue?
Speaker 6: What if? But what if saw her?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: What if the if the restaurant anybody.
Speaker 3: Could have seen it?
Speaker 23: My four year old grandson could have figured it out.
Speaker 6: But what if the restaurant serves phronsia that you go to?
What would you do?
Speaker 12: Then?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 23: Whatever, listen, I don't want I really, I am really serious.
Speaker 3: When I wanted, I respect you, jay, I want to know,
heart to heart, to me and to grandmother. What the
hell were you thinking when she was doing that bullshit?
Speaker 6: I want to know Come on, I want to know
what love is. I want you to show me.
Speaker 3: Okay, love.
Speaker 29: For me?
Speaker 12: Come on, I don't want This is not therapy, man,
I want to know what a man is Orthodox Christian
who's been through Catholicism, Protestantism, the Bible, back and forth.
Speaker 3: I read twenty thousand books. What were you thinking when
she was kneeling there? What was your spirit telling you?
Speaker 6: I was thinking, I want to know what love is.
I want you to show me. Oh man, uh look, okay,
I'm gonna be serious now. So where did you get
the idea that I'm somehow a TPUSA apologist or Erica
chirch apologist. This is what I don't understand why people
who are so attuned to their discernment that they can't
understand that I've been critiquing evangelical black ops churches for
ten years publicly in podcasts. In fact, the guy next
to you on the space right now, I did podcasts
with him ten years ago on the very topic of
evangelical black ops churches. So where did you come up
with the ridiculous idea that Number one, I believe all
of the mainstream stories. And number two that I don't
question TPUSA or something like that. Are you there? So again,
perfect example of the quandas audience right there.
Speaker 17: Well, the problem is once again, and let me just
say that I probably am a little bit more sympathetic
towards Candice than Jay is, but even that, you have
to use discernment when listening to something like that. And
once again he's pointing out that we were talking about
this way way before anybody else was, and just because
the unfortunate murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: Now this has been.
Speaker 17: Brought into the spotlight, But I mean when you were
talking about it, when nobody cared about it.
Speaker 6: Exactly. And now I have to hear all of these
wine moms and soccer moms know it all spouting out
and pontificating to me about this topic. It drives me crazy.
Two months ago, candae OANs and the evangelical Black Ops, Business,
Churches Technocracy Courtney Turner returns with me. This is two
months ago an entire almost three hour podcast on this
very subject. So again, I don't understand why people can't
figure out that I don't like either one of them.
And if you can't see that everything Candace is saying
about all this nonsense the last three months is absolute
ridiculous bullshit. I can't help you. Go back to the phronsia.
What's up theology something?
Speaker 20: Yo?
Speaker 6: So bro, what's up?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 24: Last time I was on here, right, I was talking about.
Speaker 4: Under determination. So I just wanted to know a few things.
Speaker 30: So I wanted to know how creationism can predict the
data just.
Speaker 6: As well as doesn't predict data, it predicts the thesis.
In other words, for example, why would we see similar
DNA between a monkey and a human being. Well, the
evolutionary model says it's because of a common ancestor the
creation model says it's a common creator. So both models
can accurately explain the data.
Speaker 30: Right, So then if that's the case, why would you posit.
Speaker 4: Yours over the other?
Speaker 6: Dude? I don't. I think you don't understand what underdetermination
of data means. All it means is that data itself
doesn't tell you the paradigm, so you have to go
to the paradigm level. So I would critique the evolutionist
paradigm depending upon what paradigma specific evolutionist has, whether they're atheistic,
one or an atheistic one. The whole point of underdetermination
of data is that scientism proponents, for example, when they
point to more peer review studies or whatever, none of
the peer of you studies are ever going to tell
you which paradigm is true, because it's a paradigm level argument.
That's the point.
Speaker 30: And do you think that that also could play into
the idea of how bruff facts don't exist?
Speaker 6: It is related to that, but again that's a kind
of a separate epistemic issue. I mean, the reason that
brute facts don't exist is that we all interpret reality
through our paradigm. So we call this some philosophy theory
laden that everything that exists, all facts or objects or whatever,
are theory laden. That's the point of that term. So
it's a both and there's it's related question.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 30: So do you know anything about hermautical foundationalism?
Speaker 6: I mean, I know what herma utics is and I
know what foundationalism is, so I don't know specifically what
that is.
Speaker 30: I just wanted to know because like, how would you, like,
how do you think herman utics placements has hacked when
it comes to like how understanding is transcendent to.
Speaker 6: Knowledge and meaning understanding is transcendent to knowledge. I don't
even know what that means. I mean, hermautics is the
science of interpretation. So for example, when you interpret the Bible,
there's different theories on hermautic approaches, right, like typological approach,
grammatical historical approach, et cetera. That's what hermautics is. Hermautics
of hermaeutical foundationalism sounds like the idea that there would
be basic, self evident principles about how I would go
about interpreting this or that text. So again it's related.
But again I think you're kind of mixing up terms there, numadicos.
What's up? Are we buying bitcoin at this level? Yes,
so a lot of people are freaking out. We had
a pullback. Ivan had a good talk on it. He says,
he thinks it it may go back to the two
hundred week moving average, which would be around sixty. And
I'm not worried, no, I mean, I expected the next
time we went into a bull market we would go down.
And Ivan's usually right, so it probably will hit the
two in a week moving average worst case scenario, which
would be in the sixties. But hey, that's that makes
it much more easier to get a hold of one
BTC when it's in the sixties. If you're new to bitcoin,
you're one. Oh, I want to get into it. I
want to start. Okay, we'll be thankful that. I mean, look,
if bigcoin was that two hundred and listen, all the
gold boomers are like doing their victory dances. Bitcoin usually
pops off after gold has a run. That's the historical precedent,
and of course historical president isn't a infallible guide for markets,
but usually when bitcoin or usually gold has a run
before bigcoin. So no, I'm not worried, and no, I'm
not selling any big win for gold, not at all.
What's up? Yeah, let's who's next?
Speaker 8: Up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What's up? Jay?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 3: Hey, I just wanted to, you know, first time call.
Speaker 22: I just wanted to express gratitude to you, you know,
for guys like you, Burmus, fucking Richard Grove, Alex Jones,
Like if I didn't find you guys, when I found.
Speaker 3: You, I would be like, I just want to address that,
braveheart lady.
Speaker 22: I think the problem is that a lot of people,
you know, they hear Candice and they get mixed up
and they don't realize they're like fresh to the red pill,
and then their whole brain gets melted by everything is
a conspiracy and they don't have the ability to like
sift through shit and understand how intelligence operations work and
psyops and everything.
Speaker 3: It's so deep.
Speaker 22: And I'm so grateful for guys like you and Richard
and Burmis who were able to help me through that
period where you could fall off a fucking cliff with
this shit, or you could start reading books and learn
about what's really going on. And I have empathy for
ladies like that because their minds are just getting blown
these days and they have no idea.
Speaker 3: How to parse through it. So I just want to
say thanks for what you do and for helping me.
And that's about it.
Speaker 6: Thank you man. Again. Again, we do have to remember,
and I was just joking. Got to remember when you
call into this thing here, I joke around a lot.
It's good natured ribbing. We're having fun. Don't take it seriously.
We all have that bell curve phase of awakening, you know,
when you first get into this kind of material, it's
very jarring, and it's kind of like the phases of
grief or whatever. You know where you're like, you're upset,
you're shocked. Then you question everything, everything's a conspiracy, and
then you kind of are susceptible to believing everything. Oh,
maybe it's the Aliens, Maybe it's the Tartarians, it's the Pleadeans.
So you go through these phases and then you kind
of immediately assume everything is part of the Grand narrative,
and the reality is that it's it's it's both and right,
it's it's more nuanced than that. There are intelligence operations,
but the CIA doesn't run everything. Israeli operations are influential,
they don't run everything. The Masons have had a very
powerful historical influence. They're not running everything. Kulture is real.
Not everybody is an mk ulture Delta Assassin sex program. Okay,
I mean there's just a learning curve that we go through.
Go ahead, John, and and all of.
Speaker 17: Those things are not necessarily all tied together in one
big bow.
Speaker 6: Also, yeah, that's the grand narrative idea?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 30: Ah?
Speaker 6: Yes, so I studied. Here's a question right here at
super chat, what do you think of p I z
z A gait. Well, in my opinion, there were probably
some underhanded, nasty activities, perhaps a CP going on allegedly
perhaps I don't know. I'm not accusing anyone of that
because I can't approof of that, but it does seem
very suspicious. However, I don't think there was a k
I L L room, you know, eight millimeters style. But
you notice that a lot of people latched onto that
event and it became everything and then every and that
came out of Q Q crap if you remember that.
And I said day one that Q was a sye off.
To me, it bore all the marks of limited hangout disinformation,
that kind of stuff. But I think which I was
going to point.
Speaker 16: Out in light of the.
Speaker 4: You know, in light of the Charlie Kirk stuff. You know,
it's an interesting little tidbit of input.
Speaker 3: Was you know Paul valiy there, who wrote the book
with Michael A. Keno.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and he's on the board of TPUSA, right, he
was also a promoter of Q.
Speaker 6: I didn't even know that. Good insight there, John. Now
people have been sending me viral Instagram reels of the
Paul Vallei stuff about mine war side war. And I'm
not trying to be rude or dick, but guys, I
knew this fifteen years ago. Now it's new information. In fact,
John was on with me a few weeks ago that
Paul Valley was involved in the TPUSA stuff and we
covered that weeks ago. So first of all, I know
about Mine water Side War. In fact, I've read Michael
Achino's other books. I read his book on Black Magic,
I read Mine Water Sie War, so I'm aware of
those things, and I knew who Paul Valley was, and
we covered Paul Valle being connected to TPUSA maybe a
month ago. And then now the White Moms are sending
me the Instagram reels alerting me of things that I
knew fifteen years ago and things that we talked about
a month ago. And again it's not their fault. I'm
not bitching at the people who send me that stuff
because it's new information to them. But it's just kind
of frustrating when you see, you know, information getting out
there and then people get so arrogant and douchey with you,
and then they think, oh, you're the drill douchebag. No, No,
I have to deal with this stuff like every day, right,
people who are and it's not just it's also family members, right,
So I deal with family members who have for decades
not listen to me, and then twenty years later when
they hear Queen Candy say it, suddenly it's now true
and it's the new version of what used to be
the case with Fox News.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 6: I had family members I talked to them about all
kinds of stuff, thought I was crazy. But then when
they heard Tucker talk about it, then they listened to
it because it was on the screen, the great God
screen of Fox News. I'm not distinct, Tucker. I'm just
saying this was the process, you know, and say twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and I'm like, I was telling
you this a long time ago, Okay, geoengineering. I've been
talking about that since twenty I've learned about that in
two thousand and seven or eight, talked about it a lot.
I don't know everything about it. I don't know, you know,
but I've known about it. I've talked about it. It's
in my book. There's a whole two chapters on geoengineering
in my twenty eighteen book, and that was based on
articles I'd written years earlier. And then you get people, well,
you know more about geo engineering. Yeah, I'm well aware
of it. I played John Brennan at the CFR talking
about it. I got my whole original TikTok deleted because
I played John Brennan clips talking about geoengineering at the
CFR a long time ago. So like, I'm not trying
to be I know what, all douchebag. It's just it's
very frustrating thing for people who have been in this
sphere and talked about it so often and for so long,
too little to know fanfare or attention or people weren't listening.
No one would listen to you back when we had
you know, I mean, I'm not even sure the exact
size of the I'm not dissing the Hoaxbusters or Afternoon Commune,
but I mean it wasn't a massive audience. I mean,
we probably had a few thousand downloads back in twenty fifteen, sixteen,
and then to hammer at this for all of these
years to be you know, six years into hosting the
fourth hour of Lord Baltimore, Baltimore now, and it's like,
now you're getting these people copying and saying all the
stuff that you talked about, even Candace talking about all
the Laurel Canyon stuff when she had Tom O'Neil on
like that was shit that we've been covering since Dave
McGowan before he was dead, right, So, and I'm not
trying to go ahead.
Speaker 3: I interviewed Dave McGowan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good point.
Speaker 3: I mean even before anybody knew who he was. I'm
not saying that to brag.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, that's how long we've been talking about.
Speaker 6: And you guys would have on quite regularly, professors all
kinds of you know, prominent but Chris would call professors
and you know, interview them and ask them questions and
critique them and debate them, and uh, you know, it
was just way ahead of its time. Hoaxbusters was covering stuff.
Remember for example, we covered CIA music, pop music, punk music,
and then uh, years later The Guardian basically did the
same podcast that we had done years earlier, with no
credit to John and Chris or myself of course, doing
this whole podcast on you know, we talked about how
the windsor.
Speaker 17: Change Yep had a song written by the CIA, which
we talked about the years.
Speaker 6: Earlier, tak Me to the Magic of the Moment, And
then The Guardian does a podcast and allow culture. Yeah,
we were talking about that ten years earlier. Come on, now,
give it the program Horn Archives. I hope it's Trent
Horn's archives. What's up? Man? Give us the pip of May.
Speaker 24: Du c J.
Speaker 6: What's up? I'm you Trey Horn Archives? What's up? Pay
me as a pimp of May guys. I got my
master's in c i A. Remember that crazy reform guy
they called in. He's like, oh, I know you've got
your masters and c i A. Yes, that's A. That's
an actual graduate program.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 6: I went to meet with my advisors and I was like,
I would like to study the c i A program
and get my master's in c I A. What's up?
I'm mute? Where are you at?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 6: Last chance? Okay, we're moving on modern day. What's up?
Speaker 26: MH?
Speaker 6: Next time I'll get my pa, my triple pH D
th h D in CIA. What's up? I'm mute. Just
I'm mute. When you come up, man, just do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I want to have you ever encountered like a dynamic
monarching or a Unitarian.
Speaker 6: Sure we've had plenty of Unitarians on all the way
back to twenty nineteen. Sure, sure, So what.
Speaker 10: What do you not agree with it in terms of
the christology, because the christology of it makes sense to me.
Speaker 17: Because if Jesus was if the.
Speaker 3: Foundation of Jesus being the son.
Speaker 16: Of God is being.
Speaker 10: Begotten by God, then the clearest then in Jesus' existence
that he was begotten is the Virsian conception Luke war
thirty five. So therefore there would be no need for
a pre existent Jesus.
Speaker 6: There's two begettings. There's a begetting in time and a
begetting out of time. So one Verses one through sixteen
describes the eternal beginning.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 26: But this is the thing.
Speaker 5: If you look at.
Speaker 4: John one one through fourteen, the prologue, that.
Speaker 10: Could easily especially if you compare I think it's Isaiah eleven.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure he says.
Speaker 10: Eleven, yeah, or nine I forget, But that could easily
be about the ministry of Jesus, not necessarily going.
Speaker 6: Back to Genesis. How could that not be? Look John
one one through three is paralleling Genesis one one through three,
the creation with the light that's created, this created light.
John one is talking about the uncreated light, paralleling Genesis one.
So of course it's going back to Genesis every commentator
knows this. There's also the view that were.
Speaker 10: John one one isn't necessarily Jesus.
Speaker 3: One for one, but it's God's word that becomes flesh.
That is Jesus, by the way, John one fourteen that
were flesh as of the begotten Father.
Speaker 6: Dude fourteen through eighteen. Fourteen through eighteen identifies the word
from verses one and two as the same word that
became flesh. Who is Jesus Christ Verses sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
Verse eighteen says no one is seeing God's talking to
the Father at any time. The only begotten son, who
is in the bosom of the Father has declared him.
So you understand that verse eighteen specifically identifies that even
when Christ is on earth, he is still in the
bosom of the Father, meaning that he is eternally generated.
Speaker 3: Well, the bosom of the Father.
Speaker 10: I just it's a close relationship, right, He's in the
Holy of Holies, at.
Speaker 6: The right hand of the Father, on the throne of David.
Speaker 3: But like the word becomes flesh.
Speaker 10: Well, what other event where does Jesus become flesh? But
when he's spiritually begotten by the Father into the womb
of Mary Luke went thirty five the conception where does one?
Speaker 6: Where does verses? So hold on? You said a minute
ago that the word is not Jesus, But Verses fourteen
through eighteen identify Jesus as the words what are you
talking about?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: The word becomes Jesus.
Speaker 10: The word becomes manifest in the flesh.
Speaker 6: In Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word. They are. They
are identified as the same. They are the same subject
or reference. That's why Jesus says, I am before Abraham
was I.
Speaker 10: Am, well he is what though what was Abraham saw
his day?
Speaker 6: I am is a reference to Exodus three, the name
of God, the tetragrammaton the existing one.
Speaker 10: Well, that I am, as said in the New Testament elsewhere,
is not identifying necessarily someone as Jehovah God.
Speaker 6: Of course it is. It's a quote from Exodus three,
the phrase I am right.
Speaker 10: What isn't there a situation where the blind man is
toil by Jesus uses that phrase phrase I.
Speaker 6: Am, no, what are you talking about? No one can
When Jesus says that later on in John, the Pharisees
want to stone him because he makes himself equal with God.
You can't. Nobody called themselves the tetragrammaton.
Speaker 10: Well, I don't have a promise with him an equality
of some sense, because he is directly begde by Joeve
of God his literal only be God's son.
Speaker 6: But for that you don't need pre existence.
Speaker 3: You don't need the eternal generation.
Speaker 6: The text in John one already said the text already
says it's a pre existence because if you read Hebrews one,
the whole purpose of that chapter is to prove that
he's the one that created the angels, and so therefore
any creature is subordinate to him because he is the creator.
You can't be the creator unless you're also God and
you're also eternal.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he designed the agees, that's what it says.
Speaker 3: In Hebrews one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't say he designed the angels. It doesn't
say that. It doesn't say he designed the angels. It
says he's the creator of the angels. What are you
talking about, designed the ages?
Speaker 3: The ages?
Speaker 6: He's the creator the Messianic age, right, And so no,
you're just you're just reinterpreting this.
Speaker 31: Nor am my.
Speaker 10: Son's day of Pigottny, which was a dividing kingship coronation.
Speaker 6: So seven it's you're misunderstanding that it's both in and
not either or that's why you keep flipping between it
being something that's eternal, which is why you said in
John one, it's just the word. John one fourteen to
eighteen identifies the word as the person Jesus Christ, so
the same subject. Right, Well, then that refute your position.
Then it's not that they're not different.
Speaker 3: Well, the word, if you go.
Speaker 10: To the Old test of what is the word, it's
always God's utterance, his prophecy that the covenants, the Davidic
Covenant is called the Word of God sake of Samuel seven.
Speaker 3: And Jesus is the divided king.
Speaker 10: If you look at Luke one, I think it's twenty
six through thirty sixty, the announcement to Mary, it's all
divided kingship and covenant language.
Speaker 3: So that word is the Davidic Covenant.
Speaker 6: It becomes flesh when Jesus has.
Speaker 10: Begone of the Father John one fourteen, and that's told
to Mary that he's going to reign over the House
of Jacob forever. He's going to have the throne of
his father David. He's going to be he's to be
gotten son.
Speaker 6: But none of that proves what you're trying to argue
that there's there's a difference between the Word and Jesus.
They're the same subject.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 10: My point is isn't necessarily like a hard difference. It's
just you.
Speaker 6: You just argued earlier that there is a difference because
you said Jesus isn't the eternally begotten son of God.
So there is a difference. Now you're switching to Jesus.
Speaker 3: Though that word God's promise, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's an actual, it's a person. And that's why in
the Old Testament that Angel Lord is the word. In fact,
in Exos twenty three, God says, my word my name
is in the Angel Messenger. That's why the angel messenger
is the Angel is going to have the name of Jovin.
Speaker 10: And it doesn't mean that was Jesus.
Speaker 6: Jesus identifies himself as the Angel of the Lord in
the Old Testament. What are you talking about? Yes, he does?
Who ate with who ate with Abraham?
Speaker 3: Jesus?
Speaker 32: Who ate with Abraham? Who ached with Abraham? Who ate
with Abraham? Who ate with Abraham?
Speaker 6: All right? You your lying? Who who ate with Abraham,
who ate with Abraham? Okay, this is so stupid. Jesus
is the one eating with Abraham.
Speaker 10: So before Abraham he was he was what though, he
was the one that was going to fulfill the Abraham
and blessings of Genesis twelve.
Speaker 6: This is too stupid.
Speaker 16: The Messiah, the dividing king.
Speaker 6: And we see that in Galicias three he ate with Abraham,
and he was on the mountain with Moses as second
Corinthians three says, when Moses went up on the mountain,
he saw the face of Christ. Paul says it psy
Corinthians three. So this is what you get with these
ridiculous unitarians. What's up? So you notice what he did
was he constantly kept shifting the definitions. Right, So first
there's a difference between the eternal word and the person Jesus.
But then the eternal word is what became Jesus, and
so Jesus is a created being. Well, well, these are
the creative being in terms of his human nature. But
the subject is the second person of the Godhead, the
eternal word, whom John One says, is the creator of
the worlds, not the designer of the worlds. What's up? Dylan.
I'm mute, Hey, Jay, I come to.
Speaker 3: Tell me quick.
Speaker 8: I got a comment, an impression.
Speaker 4: Request, and an actual question for you.
Speaker 6: OKT hurry up.
Speaker 22: So I noticed the other day a new channel popped
up that I saw you comments on in real time.
Speaker 17: It was a new.
Speaker 10: Jadier radio channel, and I just thought that was.
Speaker 19: Really funny because you were talking about the boomers and
all bricks.
Speaker 3: And how they had radio shows.
Speaker 6: Yeah. They just did that as a joke though, so
it's intentional.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And then.
Speaker 6: All right, well we can't hear you. So for those
that are curious, I have a whole talk on the
Trinity in the Torah, which absolutely destroys unitarianism. So you
can watch this talk right here if you want a
fuller reputation of that nonsense blasphemer. Lejandro Ale. What's up,
Lady Gaga? H I'm mute. Oh hey okay, hey Jay, yep.
Speaker 3: I had a question.
Speaker 33: I'm I what the dogs cleaning wash eighteenth first, and
I was a Lutheran, but I just can't do the
whole part of that name.
Speaker 8: But there's one question that has been bugging me for
a while. It's the somebody, some.
Speaker 3: Some mayke you spotted up.
Speaker 8: And it's really the only point that stuck to me
was if the Jews only consider the patriarch the father's
side of the family, the theology as like the I'm
sure you know where I'm going with this as the official.
Speaker 14: Uh genes for your.
Speaker 8: Dad, Like if your dad is June then or Jew,
your mom is not Jew, then it doesn't matter as
long as your dad as you whatever.
Speaker 3: But so then how does that tie in with or
how do I fix that with?
Speaker 8: Right? Because he only came in through Mary obviously.
Speaker 6: So so his Mary is from the tribe of David.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: So I don't know how to uh say this, right,
But it's like, uh, so his dad.
Speaker 6: His human nature comes from Mary.
Speaker 3: His father is obviously the father, right, his.
Speaker 6: Human nature comes from his human nature is from Mary,
and Mary is from the Dividict tribe. His dad is God,
the Father, Blake, what's up? If you want a longer
three hour talk on the Trinity and the deed of
Christ and the old Testaments right here? What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: Plus, we have a whole lecture to the Gospel John
proving the deed of Christ. So I'm not going to
rehearse the entire course of proving the deed of Christ.
This is like one on one. What's up, man, Blake?
I'm you.
Speaker 16: Hey, I uh you know, I got real wrapped up
in the uh you know, the whole Jake question and
everything else over the past couple of months. But the
bill in the past couple of weeks have really exposed
like how insane the left and liberal minded, and it's
kind of unified me a little bit more. I guess
back with Crowder and Temples, those guys, do you uh
you your fault? Do you see like the actual persecution.
Speaker 3: Give you?
Speaker 12: It is Christian.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 6: It's very possible. I don't know how far they could
really go with it, but I think that they are
absolutely crazy enough and radicalized enough that they will try it.
I mean, they seem to be on board with that,
so I would not be surprised. I don't know exactly
what will happen, obviously, but it's very possible. Nick. What's up, Yojay?
What's going on?
Speaker 18: Man?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind? Dude?
Speaker 20: So I've been going through Plato's Republic and I made
my way through the first book and then listen to
your lecture on it, like the half lecture that you
have on YouTube.
Speaker 24: And there was something I noticed, but I didn't see
you talk about it.
Speaker 6: By the way, I have a lecture. Hold on, I
have a lecture throughout the entire republic. Yeah, so I
just there's like five you know, I'm saying, there's like, okay,
but there's like five to be clear, it goes through
the whole book, but go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was listening to the one the dam book one
on YouTube, okay, and there was.
Speaker 24: Something I caught and I don't know if it's just
me thinking about something and it's not there, and I
wanted to hear your thoughts on it. In the first book,
when Socrates is speaking to I think the old guy's
name is Cephalis, and then he has his son, he
just is kind.
Speaker 4: Of asking him these basic questions.
Speaker 24: About like, hey, you know you have money, now, is
that why you know you have peace in your life?
Speaker 6: Et cetera.
Speaker 24: And eventually it feels like the conversation doesn't even really
begin or like have any depths, and there's not really
any level of debate or back and forth until this
old dude leaves and it's just then Socrates and the
guy's son, I think it's polemic, polemicus or polemic.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mess the names up.
Speaker 24: But he's going back and forth with the young guys
and then it's only the young dudes at that point.
It's only when this old guy leaves. And I was
wondering if you thought that had any significance because I
know that Plato is like very intentional with everything that
he writes.
Speaker 4: It's not like he's it's just what happened. It's like
he designed this scenario.
Speaker 24: Do you think what he's saying there is that like
wisdom can only be passed on when like the older
generation goes away, and then it's only like the young
person discussing with someone who actually has wisdom. Because I'm like,
I'm thinking about in general boomers, gen X kind of
this just like you know, the type of people that
believe in qn ON and is just this like stupid
mentality across the board from them.
Speaker 6: Can you remind me of the the old guy that
you're talking about?
Speaker 26: What was the.
Speaker 6: What was his philosophy? Because it's been twelve years since
I read The Republic, So what was the old guy's philosophy?
Speaker 24: Well, basically, like what it was was that they stop Socrates.
He's trying to leave the city and go back up
the mountain, and then they're saying, no, no, you need.
Speaker 4: To say, you need to come with us.
Speaker 24: We're going to have it where we bring you back
to this house he wants to see you. They then
bring into the house and it's a really wealthy guy
and he asks him essentially like, hey, you know what,
what have you found is good for money? And from
what I can understand is he said that, well, it
allows me to be able to pay back the debts
that I once had, and allows me to be able
to pay people that I maybe had wrong during my time,
and now I can pay them back. And then he's
saying that the only reason why people don't have peace
in their life is because they, you know, because of
their actions and because of their virtues. And then as
yeah as Socrates starts to ask about justice and start
to go into that discussion, that's when the old guy
leaves and base he says, so, your son Polemarchus or
whatever he inherited this discussion.
Speaker 4: He goes, I assume so or something like that, and
then walks away and he.
Speaker 24: Just completely exits that situation, and I don't know if
that was intentional, but it made me.
Speaker 4: Think about, Yeah, it's like only.
Speaker 24: When the boomer leaves the conversation can there ever be
any actual progress, because there's no like just dumb conversation.
Speaker 4: Of like, no, you know what I mean, that's at
least what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's accurate.
Speaker 6: No, I think probably a lot of professors and scholars.
I remember something on this from my school days. And
Plato has a few apologetic agendas. For example, in the Apology,
he's castigating the Athenian Society for rejecting Socrates, and so
he probably does have a degree of animosity towards the
older generation of that time. He also felt like they
were dull and you know, sort of INSIGNI so I
would say, probably, yeah, all righty, well cool man, I
appreciate it. Thanks T. Yeah, No, that's actually a perceptive question.
It's just I haven't I haven't even thought about the
Republican like twelve years. So right wing? What's up? Right wing?
And then Emerald, what's up? Right wing? On you anybody?
Speaker 25: I have a quick question about predeterminism and the theological
determinism from an orthodox perspective, if the question is posed
from an atheist and debate, how can there be free
will if God is all knowing from beginning to end?
Speaker 6: What would your response be? Uh, Yeah, We've addressed it many,
many times. The fact that God is all knowing has
nothing to do with whether or not he can create
a world where there's secondary causes. So God can be
the first cause of the world and create a world
where there are secondary causes. So the argument or the
assumption is that if God's all knowing, he must be
all determining, and they're just simply as a non sequitor emerald.
What's up?
Speaker 3: Hi? I had a few.
Speaker 8: Questions about how to debate some or not even debate, but.
Speaker 31: Just talk to them when they believe in more of
the New Age stuff, because I feel like I've heard
a lot of arguments when it comes to talking to atheists,
but not people who believe in like the book Journey
of the Souls or like the egg theory.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing with most of the New Age you
stuff is that it tends to be anti rational and
anti logical. So it will it will focus on the
subjective and experiences, but it never really provides any framework
to judge whether an experience is good or bad, or
true or false, or delusion or deception. So most of
the time New Age stuff just boils into relativism that well,
that's your truth, man, and this is my truth.
Speaker 5: Men.
Speaker 6: So I would go to the route of, you know,
pointing out how destructive to the possibility of knowledge. Relativism
and subjectivism.
Speaker 3: Are okay, awesome, thank you day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, good question. And I think I don't think
I've ever heard a new Ager argue for objective truth.
I mean, maybe there is one out there somewhere Sapphire.
What's up, y'all? Like these fancy camera angles, got two cameras? Shit,
I might have fifteen camera angles in here by the
end of the year. What's up? Huh?
Speaker 3: Awesome. So we've seen a little bit of tonight with
some of these callers.
Speaker 22: And I was having a conversation with one of my
buddies recently about interpretation about you know, which church.
Speaker 3: Is correct and proper and this sort of thing, and.
Speaker 27: The issue of reading his cripture came up, and I
brought up to him a lot a bar I can't
remember the name of talking which councilor as there's a
councilor that says up in the effect of people other
than Orthodox Christians who have been properly catechized shouldn't even
be reading the text. And I tried to explain to
them the pragmatism of that, where it's not an exclusivity
in the sense of like a superiority thing or anything
like that, but it's it's dangerous for people to just
pick up this book with no prior context or connection
to the tradition and then read it at phase value
with their own biases.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm aware of two I'm aware of two statements.
There's one of the canons I want to say in Trollo,
and then there's a later statement in you know, like
Jassi or Door or Decithius or something where it says
something like, you know, laity should not be interpreting the scriptures.
So the context of the first one is that in
terms of officially representing and teaching the church, right, you're not.
It's not the job of laity without specific permission to
do so, to do things publicly. So that's the context
of the first statement. It's always, by the way, the
canons are always under the purview of the bishop and
the bishop's interpretation. So it's not like these are laws
that are not interpreted by the bishop. The bishop interprets
the law. Secondly, and there have been many laity, by
the way, who have been theologians and apologists, and I
mean a lot of monastics, for example, are still laity
and have done all kinds of debates and apologetics and
so forth. So there's nothing inherently wrong about that when
it's done in the right way. And then secondly, the
later counter Reformation statements are in the context that we're
responding to the Protestant ideas of private interpretation and the
right to private interpretation. Ozzie, thank you guys for tune.
I don't think I'm gonna have time to get to
the Old Boys, uh as I should. I thought i'd
have more time than I did, but Jamie's got to
come in here and do it podcast on a bit.
So I don't think I'll have time to do Old Boys,
but we'll get to it next. What's up, man, I'm
your Ozzie. Oh, Ozzy Osbourne? What's up?
Speaker 3: Heye? Do you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 6: That's Worts something interesting. I don't know if you know
about this channel.
Speaker 29: It's called rom five to ten, like Romans five ten.
He recently started making He's like a Protestant dude, and
he's been making like response videos to your reputations of atheism.
It's not a huge channel, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 6: But what about it?
Speaker 3: It's very funny.
Speaker 29: Well, sometimes to make sures that are very funny and weird,
like at one point you made a video that suggested
that Catholics hate God because of these long robes, like
for example, like when Jesus like woe to those who
wear long robes in public or whatever.
Speaker 3: H I don't know.
Speaker 29: I said it was very funny anecdote that thinks like
Catholics and Orthodox hate Okay, I'll.
Speaker 6: Check it out. Thank you for that. P E. G. N.
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A Voice of Reason is very smart. You cannot deny that.
I don't think he's an absolute midweight. I don't think
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you think is intelligent?
Speaker 12: Is that?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 12: Can you?
Speaker 8: Uh huh?
Speaker 28: I just wanted to kind of that guy that was
the Unitarian guy earlier. I always thought it was kind
of interesting, how the when Jesus says I am before
Abraham was I am That wouldn't make any sense pragmatically
unless he was saying I am equal with the God
that is outside of the bounds of time.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's pretty obvious. But of course,
if you're going to cope and reinterpret everything, then nothing
is a proof of anything except for your position. Kevin,
what's up? Yep, yep? I just had a quick question
about that, Stina, that's okay, okay.
Speaker 26: Do you think that it was totally all Masad and
not more I six driven, or because I kind of
waiting towards it was in my sixth driven and just
kind of with all the other intelligent stuff, everybody kind
of plays a part, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: I think it was all of those that was useful
to all of those agencies, but probably mainly Middle Eastern nectarios,
Hero Born Entertainment five dollars, Thank you so much, Evan
ten dollars. If unitarians insisted Jesus is merely a creature,
they have no choice but to condemn Jesus as a blasphemer. Yeah, exactly,
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Jesus was full of grace and truth which came through
Jesus Christ. Correct. What's up man?
Speaker 3: Hey? Jay?
Speaker 34: First off, thank you for the movie recommendation on your
last stream, the Red writing it was actually a good movie.
Speaker 4: Just finished it today, So thank you for that.
Speaker 6: Did you watch the whole trilogy or one of them?
Speaker 34: No, I literally just got done with the first one.
I'm gonna start heading on to the second part of
the trilogy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody said Andrew Garfield was based I thought that
was pretty cool. I hope so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I have a buddy, Kelly.
Speaker 4: He's coming from Protestants and he's right next to me.
He wanted to ask you a quick question that he's
been struggling with on his search to orthodoxy.
Speaker 21: Thank you.
Speaker 6: So we just learned what love is. I hope you
guys appreciate that We've been waiting this whole time and
we finally did learn what love is. And that was it. Taylor,
what's up, man?
Speaker 3: I want to know who love is?
Speaker 2: What to show me?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: Taylor?
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift what's up every pop stars calling at night?
Speaker 2: Hey man, you kind of got me into the direction
of Orthodoxy, so thank you for that.
Speaker 4: And I have two quick questions.
Speaker 2: One is I've noticed that an Orthodoxy there's lots of
people who still believe in evolution, and I kind of
got contense on ongoing against evolution by some pure videos.
Speaker 6: I was wondering if you'd.
Speaker 2: Ever considered debating an Orthodox person who's pro evolution.
Speaker 4: That's first question.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 6: It have to go because we got a bunch of
people and I'm trying to hurry. I gotta do the
supertest too, before Jamie gets in here. I don't actually
know of an Orthodox person who does debates defending evolution.
Most of the people who have that just kind of
have that as their view, but most of them are
not debaters of that view. So if there was a
guy that used to write for Soul the East who
was an Orthodox guy who's a big he was like
an evolution fanatic. His name is Martin something, and I
remember trying to get him to come to debate and
he was told douchebag, he wouldn't do it. So I
don't know where's one of the debates aqua Oe ten
dollars Jay if he's in the movie Zero, directed by
Jean Luke Ebolow. It is the same type of feeling
that I got watching Annihilation. No, I don't think I've
heard of this. Let's see. By the way, I wanted
to give a shout out to all of these young
bros and even one Asian chick who made all these
videos that have just popped up within the last two weeks.
There's like multiple videos popping up within the last couple
of weeks of young bros and gals converting to Orthodoxy.
They just sorted popping up in my feed and uh so,
shout out to Planks and Pieces. I watched his video
that was really well made video.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 6: We got this bro over here, Luke Luke Cheney, granddaughter
of Dick Cheney. Right here, he said, why he's converted Orthodoxy,
blessed wretch over here, this bro over here doing full
on fridge streams, doing a straight up fridge stream He's
converted Orthodoxy. We got Bartholomew over here. He's in Australia.
He's conveitted to Walton, Aussie as well. So and then
I forgot where the where's the Chinese girls. I think
she was Chinese. Where is she at? She popped up too?
Speaker 10: This is her here?
Speaker 6: Asians gonna be mad if I get it wrong. Is
she Japanese? She's Japanese? Sake to Nihongo. They and there's
more by the way. There's like other ones popping up
by the way. So we got an army, all right,
we're building an army, not a literal army, idiots, uh,
a theological army. So check out all the based converts.
Props to all these people right here. Check that out.
Speaker 3: I want no love me.
Speaker 6: I gotta look up this movie Zero by Jean lu Zero.
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through prophecy. Then it's just a simple word God. I
do not understand how anyone can argue that he was
claiming to be part of the triad. Well go watch
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the Deed of Christ comic books in cahoots. Five dollars. Jay,
I've been getting by on my intuition since the world
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understand this discernment all along. Thanks you, thank you. Appreciate
that man. Guys who want to support the trem of
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sink twenty one five dollars. Is it worth reading? The
City of God is Orthodox? Yeah, it's a great book.
I mean, we don't agree with every theological statement, but
I did do a talk throughout the totality of City
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Thank you for some love on the video. Appreciate you, Hey,
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Speaker 18: Man.
Speaker 6: I thought there's a really really tight, fancy made video.
You went full on fancy bro like you put some
time into this thing. Oh, speaking of videos, so I
tried to tap into making a accessible, you know, a
little bit of philosophy knowledge video on tag. So it
seems to be resid well with people that got within
three hours ten thousand views, which I don't usually get
that much within a few hours. So the argument for
God You Never Heard is intended to be a introductory
level level one introduction to tag. Obviously I can't cover
everything in that one, but check it out. By the way, guys,
I will try to stream. I might stream later, we'll see,
but Jamie's got to come in here and do an interview,
so I'm not gonna have time. I don't think to
get to everybody in the calls, but guys, don't worry.
I open it up for calls almost every other day.
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What do you think about preterists? And well, partial preterism
is true, that's the orthodox view. Three books to read
about society and where we're at go through my Global
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I go through the Global Elite blocks and I think
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you believe in an overarching n WO that that can
that it paralyzes people into helplessness. I think some of
the propaganda, the psyops is intended to, yeah, make you
feel like, you know, to make you black piled. Sure,
I see multiple competing theories encouraging people to action and skepticism.
This sounds like Robert anton Wilson Operation mind Freak.
Speaker 22: Well.
Speaker 6: I mean, Robert Anton Wilson was a Crollian, so I
wouldn't trust his analysis. But I mean he's right that
there's controlled opposition and dialectics. But I mean the real
conspiracy is you know, fallen angels and Satan right and
the order that he's erected to try to create a
one world babble against God and then you know the
Kingdom of Heaven. That's the real battle. And that relates
to this next question of Gus is twenty dollars. What
are aliens? Do you think they're Grays and a Nachi,
fallen angels or demons or evil human beings trying to
fool the masses. I have many podcasts on aliens. You
can go watch my podcasts on Father Sarah. From Rose's
book Orthodox in the Religion in the Future, there's a
demonic component, but there's also a black ops psy op
component to it as well, and we've done many interviews
on that angle. Watched the documentary Mirage.
Speaker 17: Men.
Speaker 6: Okay, let's see. I think we're at the last of
the superchets here. Ocean whiskers, Jay, thank you? What is
why exactly the transient argument works in the orthodox paradigm
paradigm you have to watch the video from Trinity, From
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