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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to another episode on a crime pace that

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bond he doesn't podcast. I'm here with my buddy Johnny Altamonte.

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We're in the Philippines and he's with the Philippines Taxonomic Initiative,

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which is an NGO. You started that, right, nob robbed it?

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Okay anyway, but we're in this we're basically we were

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in the van for like four hours up to the

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edge of where the land clearance stops in the actual

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wild habitat begins, and that's where we are. So tell

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me what. I'm going to take photos of this mellowstone

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while you're telling me, But tell me what Philippines Taxonomic

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Initiative is. How you guys got started doing this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was started by rab.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that guy just has a like long

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standing love for plants. He's a completely self taught taxonomist

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slash botanist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't go to school for this, right, No.

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: It was just really into plants. I kind of just

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went so far down that rabbit hole, you know. And

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then now he's like an expert on orchids into Philippines

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had a couple of Taxa. So he's also an next

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in like I think Amorphophallus and some others as well.

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Speaker 1: Where's he from? Is he from Manila too? You guys

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are all from Manila mostly or what?

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Speaker 2: No, So he is from somewhere into Visia's originally and

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then Palawan I think is where he really started doing

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a lot of work.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean he also now is based out

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of Manila.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I mean he put it up I think back

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in twenty nineteen, I think informally, and then twenty twenty

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is like really when it started kicking off, he was.

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Speaker 1: Saying he kind of realized you needed to do an

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NGO for what purposes, like to get funding and to

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get permits.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I mean the Philippines we have a lot of

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good policy in place to kind of like protect everything.

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I mean obviously implementation is another thing. Yeah, but it

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also means if you're a researcher and if you want

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to do things the right way, there's a really long

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bureaucratic process of getting permits if you want to study,

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and if you want to collect, and if you want

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to describe anything new. So yeah, he put up an

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NGO called the Philippine Taxonomic n issition of and we've

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basically been using the ORG guess sort of a different

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way to get all the different permits, the gratuitive permits,

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like we have one here for example, in this forest.

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Speaker 3: And basically let.

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Speaker 2: Us go out and just study collect orbarian specimens and

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uh yeah, mostly to describe a describe new species or

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even just what we're doing here is pretty cool too.

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We're providing like a checklist of flowering plants for the

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forest and ultimately that turns into species protection plans, you know,

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predicted area management plans.

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Speaker 1: So like this area is understudied, there has been very.

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Speaker 3: Super super understudied.

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Speaker 2: We started doing maybe like one or two expeditions here

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a year since twenty twenty, and we've i think more

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than doubled the species checklist.

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Speaker 1: Since Jesus Christ. That's crazy. Yeah, what made you guys

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pick this area?

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Speaker 2: So one of the foresters, Quia Leo Yudasco, he's been

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like a champion here. He invited rab over just because

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he wanted to, you know, rap to kind of come

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out and check out some of the new stuff. He

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thought we're new, but you know, really didn't have sort

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of the experience to at that time to really describe anything. So, yeah,

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Rab came out the first time.

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Speaker 3: That was around like.

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Speaker 2: Literally when COVID hit, like when the Philippines locked down.

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Speaker 3: Rab was out here in the field.

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Speaker 1: He was at the spot we were just saying, he said, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. And ever since then, you know,

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we've gotten invited back over and over again, and que

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Leo is now the assistant Protected Area Superintendent of this

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whole place.

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Speaker 1: But there, but I mean overall, you see, there's like

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a value towards what's left of the remaining habitat though, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's insane. I mean we're we're hopefully a

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lot of the work that we've been doing here ends

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up with this place becoming a protected area just so

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we can really just stop all the.

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, you said, it's every year, it's been worse.

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Every year they just take more, and it's just for

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agriculture or what are.

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Speaker 2: They Yeah, mostly for agriculture sometimes also just for I

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mean people just coming here to settle also, right, So

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I mean that place you saw that that lit the

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carpet is flowering, Yeah, that wasn't there the first time

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we were here.

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Speaker 1: No ship and then they just clear it's just open land.

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It's there's nothing there. Yeah, exactly, well there's nothing there, exactly.

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Well there's nothing there now, right, Yeah, I know. But

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uh yeah, so I mean every year it gets a

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little bit worse. People are clearing, people are settling, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean the place where staying is a it's a

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fucking resort for God's sake.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the people coming in from like lower down to

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build like resorts. And there's also a lot of development too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, the place where staying supposed to be

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a resort, that's a resort of the SpongeBob.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a resort technically.

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Speaker 1: Or it was started as a guy. You can hear

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the fucking cutting right now. Man, Yeah damn. So how

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does it the land clear and start off? It starts

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off as logging and then just turns into but it's

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with the idea that it's going to remain clear and

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then yeah, people will be able to comments gorgeous farm there.

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Speaker 3: Look at these birds though there's playing around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the man, daybreak today sounded really nice. That was

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pretty fucking incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's crazy that we hear logging right over there.

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I mean, the forces are probably going to try to

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maybe stop it.

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Speaker 1: It's the tour man. It's just it's just what it

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does society. That's what I just don't get is how

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do people not value this at all? And it's everywhere,

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it's not specific to any one reason. Certainly it's like

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worse in some areas. God, you can really see the

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poor cydal anthers on these fucking melastomes. Oh god, it's

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so crazy.

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Speaker 3: We'll also see a probably a couple of Mendelias later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I fucking go slow. What was it you

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were telling me? You guys made some patches or something

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about What did you say? Uh?

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Speaker 3: What was I saying?

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Speaker 1: We were talking about going slow yesterday the Botanist pace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, the Slow Hikers Club. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly

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what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys made you made some nice merch too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: That's always fun, just kind of making stuff out of

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like whatever ideas we have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whoever does your graphics man, they're fucking yeah, what

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is this like us again? I guess uh, oh no,

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that's NYC. Look at that those massive.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, shoot, I forgot.

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Speaker 1: Stipules in the middle.

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Speaker 3: I forget that.

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Speaker 1: So how did you How did you guys hook up

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with Jason?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Rob found him somewhere. Yeah, I mean Rob's good at that.

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He kind of picks people who are kind of like

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have an interest in that. And most of the people,

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with a couple of exceptions in the in the organization,

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most of them don't have a formal background bompany. Yeah,

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and so Jason started out as a teacher, like a

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like a high school teacher, like an elementary school teacher.

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Speaker 3: But he's always left plants. He's also self thought.

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Speaker 2: And then he just finishes Masters in botany after kind

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of working with BT I. Oh really, and that's now

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he's teaching at the at the University of the Philippines.

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Speaker 1: Oh dope, So now he lectures on Yeah. I feel

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like a formal education sometimes is a hindrance because it

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just I feel like it locks people into this world

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that may kill the joy in some ways. I don't

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know what is it? What Jason's right here this with

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the the these giant coreaceous leaves and then the stipules

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in the middle. A beautiful red on that new leaf too.

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Oh it's pubescent. What is this neoclea. That's not that's

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ruby ac.

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Speaker 2: That's all with the they're they're flowering by.

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Speaker 1: The giant in florescence. Yeah, it looks like a cephalanthis

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in fluorescence, which is also ruby acre. Oh wow, whine mania.

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Speaker 4: Or what yeah? Formerly queen manya it's now terla.

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Speaker 1: Oh they split it up. Yeah that's good.

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Speaker 3: Was that a chainsaw?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I recorded it.

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Speaker 3: God what cuele was here?

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Speaker 2: So quel Leo the foster one who like brought us

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here in the first place. That guy is like a

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like batman or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh really get them? Oh yeah, what happens? It's villagers

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that come up. Where do people come from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean around the area, honestly, So a couple

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of them are oh come, so I mean there are

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there are indigenous people's here, so sometimes I mean they

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have a right. I mean that's the ancestor the main

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But then you also have a lot of settlers coming

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in from like the lowlands.

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Speaker 1: Holy fuck is that a What the fuck is that?

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That's an actual rock that looks like a satchel. It

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looks like a black velvet satchel the size of a

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fucking bulldozer. What is this? Man? Is all that's just

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moss covering it. Huh? Or is that the actual?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, what is that material? Is that ultra matic? I

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don't know what the fuck this is? Oh yeah, oh yeah,

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scrape it?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, huh, you're right.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell what that materials made out of.

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Speaker 3: No idea.

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Speaker 1: But this is all This is all cleared land. This

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was all forests and now it's cleared. And then you

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can see where the forest starts.

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Speaker 3: Literally there's a straight line with.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a host of uh, pioneer species. I

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guess some of these are probably native, and a lot

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of these are neotropical. I saw a lot of neotropical

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aster racy.

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Speaker 4: What is this that?

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Speaker 1: That's a the fuck that's insane? A leaya? We got

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a slight we got leaves are about eight inches long,

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petials like half an inch, and then these spikes of

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tiny flowers. Oh that's cool, man, got bud Laya's everywhere.

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The ficus we were seeing yesterday, I should say, for

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the record, we're fucking insane. We saw massive ficus that

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were enormous around with buttress roots. Then we saw little

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vines too, right, and then that's crazy, and that Aristolochia

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was pretty remarkable too. It's another one pseudo palma.

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Speaker 4: It's a ficus that we have.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ I had no idea there was so much

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diversity in ficus. Who's getting who's getting blown up? Well? Yeah,

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so these these flower spikes are like nearly ten inches

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to a foot long each with like, uh, you know,

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these tiny white, four pedal flowers and a typical you know,

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bud laya, and you know what the species on this.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a shot.

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Speaker 1: We're getting My body's uh, these little puppers, these little

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what are little chihuah WA's what is it?

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Speaker 4: Those are local mixed?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Boddy, got a pepperoni? Now you run away? That's

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what I thought. They all they all run away?

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Speaker 2: Well something the a bipe though, trying not to try

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not to get a bit.

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Speaker 1: What is this? This is? Is this native to? This

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is baraji and ac What is this thing?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Jason is getting excited about.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's the magnolia we're going to find. Come here, buddy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's magnia.

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Speaker 1: But you guys get rabies out here. Yeah, yeah, fu

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I had my raby shadow still pump the little chihuahua

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room if it bites me.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, I'll kick it.

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Speaker 4: High elevation.

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Speaker 1: An animal lover, and I just want to let you

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know if it bites you, that it's your fault and

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you should just here we get some some Yeah, look

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at this magnolia.

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Speaker 5: Wow, this is a I'd be good the girls a

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forestation species.

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Speaker 1: This orange pubescence. I've noticed this orange pubescence on a

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lot of plants in tropical climates. Why is it always orange? Though?

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Speaker 4: No one asks that.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that like mostly like an adaptation for just to

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prevent that.

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Speaker 1: This sun burning new tissue. Yeah, to prevent What.

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Speaker 4: Is this, Jason, it's a Jamaican thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's Jamaican. Yeah, it's boragina see it right, Oh

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it's verbonac all right, yes, sorry, I just don't know

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with the white flowers. Okay, you guys have a whole

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Schmorgesborg of neotropical fucking invasive species here. Unfortunate because oh yeah,

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the Spaniards. Yeah, what is so? What's the Philippines history

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regarding Spanish colonization? They got here one five hundred. That's

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that's why we were seeing. That's what we were seeing.

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The intense Catholic Schmorgesborg. The intense Catholic bonanza? It was it?

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Would you say it was a Catholic bonanza yesterday?

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Speaker 3: I mean, how many Jesus do you see?

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Speaker 1: I don't know a lot, but I thought it was

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cheating because they the one that one guy sought off

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the end of the crucifix and it easier to carry, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some of them are pretty intense. We didn't

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see any of them, but some of them are like

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really flagellated.

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Speaker 1: Is that native?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, meotropical? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where's it? Where's it from? You know?

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Speaker 4: I think it's in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: So the Spanish we're bringing this stuff over for you had.

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Speaker 2: The Galleon trade. So I mean there's a lot of

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stuff that they're bringing over.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Jesus vcs quite narcotic.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's what is it narcotic?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Really? Oh it's a it'll make you sick.

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Speaker 4: It'll make you high.

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Speaker 1: Oh really not in a pleasant way though, in a

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food poising like fever and I'm pissing out my assway. Yea,

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and my electrolytes are depleted.

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Speaker 3: What is that? This one? This shrub?

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Speaker 1: So okay? So Rob started Philippine taxonomic Initiative and then

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you guys got a grant to do this. You're electing

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trip right now? Is this chrome Alina looks like it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 4: I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is Odorata? Oh god, that's such a great native

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where we're from, but where I'm from, but uh, yeah,

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it's horrific here. I've heard this was real bed in

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base of all over the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially here in all these disturbed areas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So do you think I mean, do you oh yeah,

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look there's a massive field. There's some brass like I

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done there. So do you think that the the land

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clearance will stop at some point if it's protected?

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Speaker 3: Or yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean right now, you have like ninety plus thousand

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hectors of like this forest, specifically the forest boundaries about

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ninety thousand hectares. Yeah, and you have about twelve foresters

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that are managing the whole place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I mean what one forester every.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just no enforcement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: So there's not enough money just to protect it. Once

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it becomes acted area, you do get a lot more

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money flowing into into the land. You also get a

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lot more rights to protect it, you know, land use

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will be more difficult. It's not gonna stop, but it'll

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slow down.

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Speaker 5: You'll still get fun with like this trying to exactly

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yeah exactly, So what.

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Speaker 1: Are they cutting then? Probably probably the tarotcarps.

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Speaker 2: Or what yeah, yeah for a lumber.

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Speaker 1: God this geology rules. Look at these rocks, they're like

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they look like they're covered in black velvet. Oh yeah,

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and you gotta here you can see a little bit. Okay,

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it's like a granite. This looks like metamorphic almost. There's

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a large grain size, but then like it's been cooked

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or something, and there's this red material seeping out. You

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got like a iron rich materials seeping out of it.

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But there's an area where there's no none of this

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bio crust. The ship is this This looks kind of

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like something I saw in New Caledonia.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: These like uh peridotite or ga even gabbro boulders. They're

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fucking massive though, they're really pretty Oh yeah, I look

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on the underside you can see it. Yeah, it looks

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like oh yeah, huh, I don't know what this would

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be what those it's not sedimentary though, we could say that,

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yeah for sure. Yeah, it's igneous and maybe metamorphic. I

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don't know, but I mean, you guys have two subduction

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zones on Holy fuck, how weathers. You guys have two

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subduction zones on either side of the island. Right, Yeah,

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there's like two subduction zones converging. It's a tectonic clusterfuck,

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So there's got to be there had to have been

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some uplift at some point. It last hundred million years.

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Of the more deep rocks like peridotite and serpentine. You

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guys have ultramatic areas too.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is pretty careful. Don't wander too far because

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the bluetooth might not pick up the micro Oh yeah, oh,

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here's that's cracked open. Okay, it's a few hours earlier,

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and this fucking MIC's about to die. But we worth

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these forests about four thousand feet elevation. Now, it's remarkable

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that there's no mosquitos here.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 1: What do you see? It's a nice collie after ooh,

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it's all shiny shit. Yeah, it's nice. So Jenny, tell

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us about your pandanus obsession.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, honestly, the way it started was when

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I first came up here.

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Speaker 1: The screw pines, pandemaces, the family Pandanus. They're fucking weird.

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They've got prop roots like palms. There's they're hyper species.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Philippines they have a whole bunch of them too.

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But the big reason I studied them is becus no

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one else does. And when else. When I came up

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here with Rob and I was thinking, like, you know,

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what should I focus on? He was like, you know,

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nobody's studying pandemic Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Huh, all right?

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Speaker 2: So I played for this fellowship with the Zoological Society

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of London called.

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Speaker 3: The Edge of Existence Fellowship.

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Speaker 2: It turns out pandance are all edge species that are

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evolutionarily distinct and endangered.

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Speaker 1: What does edge mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's uh, what is edge in reference to? Yeah,

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evolutionarily distinct.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's an acronym.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot what gs but endangered generally endangered and

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I'm a horrible edge fellow.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what it sounds for.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so they're both evolutionary distinct and there are

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also some level of endangered, so like on the Ice

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and Red List, and a whole bunch of the pandanas.

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So most of them in the Philippines actually are edge species.

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Speaker 5: What pollinates them beatles Actually.

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Speaker 1: Beatles pollinate pandemics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you look at like the reason they're

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so hard also to like identify, the staminate flowers only

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last a day. Yeah, they last a day and then

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like most like beetles eat them because they're kind of they're.

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Speaker 3: Oh look at us, snowshell.

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, the thing's massive. Yeah. We should also

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mention we saw a mountain crab, which I didn't even

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know it was a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, the stamina flowers are like really nectary,

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and beetles eat them.

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Speaker 3: And now I don't know where we're going. I think here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean they look like Giana gave is the

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new species that you saw, that giant one. Yeah, yeah,

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I mean it looks it's like twenty feet across. Yeah,

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they're six meters across.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they're super massive, so getting like a leaf sample

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as such a painted ass.

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Speaker 1: And they've got those like weird gutter like formations in

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the mid rib of the leaf.

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Speaker 3: They have those pleats in the middle.

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Speaker 1: But the ship has this a raspberry What the fuck

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it's native? I take it or what.

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Speaker 3: Probably if it's here. Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's wild. That's pretty cool. So anyway, so how

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do you figure out this was a new species.

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Speaker 2: We thought it was this other big species called simplex,

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and we just assumed it was for the longest time.

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And then last August when we were here, we finally

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found a fruit and it was so different from anything else.

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Speaker 1: What did the fruit look like?

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Speaker 3: It's just almost like a jackfruit.

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Speaker 1: I guess you said it was five kilos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, huge, huge.

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Speaker 1: But it's an aggregate fruit, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a droop.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, it was just massive and giant strawberry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't look anything like the species we thought

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it was. Like, the fruit was so different, and if

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the habit also once you kind of really look into it,

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the habits a little different. It's akolescent, well mostly apparently

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not all the time.

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Speaker 1: Someone stems through this. So these things look like crosses

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between gaves, bromeliads and yuccas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Actually, and we've got prop roots like poems.

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Speaker 3: Some of them are properly some of them don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, related to phrase Sinetia, which is the other genus

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in the family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're all epiphytic.

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Speaker 2: There's two more in the genus, Dure's Benstonia, which used

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to be under fandanas, named after the legend himself, Ben Stone.

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Who's it The guy is telling you about the one

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who was the pandemic expert and then he died on his.

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Speaker 1: Just croaked at his desk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's why nobody wanted to study pandic Do.

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Speaker 1: You believe there's no mosquitoes here? Yeah, at all, just

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the occasional king.

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Speaker 2: Cobra hopefully not hopefully not here. I would love to

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see some colibrids though, a pit piper.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck is this? Look at the Spraycenetia. Man, Oh,

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there we go.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's flower. So these are bracts.

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Speaker 1: So they were just bracts with Yeah, if we can

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at the base of those eight inch long leaves, it's

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like this red attractive.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah, these might be britpon.

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Speaker 1: It looks like it with that red.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially they usually flower up high. Let's let's open

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this up.

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Speaker 1: We can get a nice photo of that really quick.

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Yeah all right, Uh, that wasn't working. That was it

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was a little distracting, but we just got back. It's

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two days later, the cicadas here sound like burglar alarms.

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This ship is this? Is that a crowd time? What

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is this thing? Oh no, it's some sort of weird

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u form. Yeah, this rusty pubescence you see on so

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many plants in the tropics is really, uh, it's an

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unusual convergent trait. I've seen it Eastern Hemisphere, Western Hemisphere

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always at low latitudes though, and I think that's it's

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got something to do with the uh, the humand since

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it's not really a dry environment that's seasonally dry, there's

469
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also high rainfall and so there can be high humidity

470
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,880
as well as well as heat. I'm sure there's other factors,

471
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,960
as you know, but that like orangish hair, that orangish

472
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,039
pubescence that you see on a lot of plants normally

473
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,880
on their ab axial surfaces in their stems, we really

474
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,759
only see in the tropics at low latitude. So there's

475
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:43,960
a former patch of forest that's been cleared, the produced tomatoes.

476
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,240
There's some guys, like a lot of guys on crowdrockets here.

477
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,680
I wouldn't say crowdchrockets are a little dirt bikes, but

478
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,480
it's you know, it really is a more efficient way

479
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,000
to get around. It's a more efficient form of transportation,

480
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:59,759
especially in these hilly areas, much rather be around a crotch.

481
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,480
It's then, you know, fucking cars, God, the fucking the

482
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:09,559
Ruscity pubescence is really something else. I'm walking down. We're

483
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:12,000
going down that this little store so I can use

484
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,920
the fucking wi Fi. I was not prepared for how

485
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,640
many species of Ficus there would be. There was numerous

486
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,359
species of ficus, you know. And if you were just

487
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,559
you know, hiding out in the bushes watching me walking

488
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,960
down a road right now, you'd say that guy's fucking insane.

489
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,279
He looks like he's he's just full on having a

490
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,039
conversation with himself. So hopefully you can get a chuckle

491
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:32,799
out of that in no matter where you got the

492
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,839
fucking figs here, there are a vining ficus, there are

493
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,839
a large ficus. There's herbaceous ficus. Here's an acalifa eupourbac.

494
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,839
That fucking lukena that's so invasive in South Texas is

495
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:47,440
also here as well, which is a memosoid with the

496
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,839
pinnate leaves, but the leaflets are a little bit larger.

497
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,440
It's like a it's called the fat Gordito Tepewahey looks

498
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,920
like our native South Texas tepe waye. Oh that's sun

499
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,519
the increased a violet. But the forests here are fucking fantastic.

500
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,599
We went on this hike. We ascended to about fifty

501
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:09,640
eight hundred feet on this ridge, got to see the penthes.

502
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,200
Oh my god, is this a clittoria? No, it's the

503
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,680
other one. What is it? The central sema? And I

504
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119
gotta get it looks like a volva. I'll just say

505
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,000
it straight out. It looks like you know, it looks

506
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,799
like some sort of the This looks like a like

507
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:29,079
a general shot right there, beautiful pa resupinate flower with

508
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,599
a large banner petal. But anyway, so, but these forests

509
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,400
are just fucking incredible. But it's you know, it's NonStop

510
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,680
land clearance here too, for for agriculture, not subsistence agriculture,

511
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,359
market agriculture. And it's just kind of you know, as

512
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,680
people spread, there's more everywhere. You know, who are you

513
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,400
to tell them? No? Right? But there's got to be

514
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,359
room in the culture for plants. I wasn't there. That's

515
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,559
how you prevent this. You teach people to respect it

516
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,839
and they or you culturally teach people to respect it,

517
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,000
you know, if you make room for the plants and

518
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,720
the culture. Like they have strongeload on the jadevine on

519
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,559
the fucking currency here on the coins. They have other

520
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,880
plants on the coins as well. New Zealand also does this.

521
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,200
Australia also does this. In the United States, we don't

522
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,680
have that. We just have dead honkeys and maybe a buffalo,

523
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,000
which is, you know, a testament, kind of insulting testament

524
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,839
to how we almost drove them extinct. Lots of invasive

525
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Upatorium different upuatoree, that's the tribe of Upatorium species on

526
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,799
the side of the roads here. I can see that

527
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,920
they're neotropical. They've got very strong fhital chemistry that discourages herbivores.

528
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,519
And so you take them to a place they've never

529
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:51,160
been before and now there's no herbivores, microerbivores, there's no

530
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000
insects that can keep them in check. Lots of Astraci

531
00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:00,799
are really good at at avoiding herbivaly with the due

532
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:07,839
to their chemical signatures, the chemical cupounds. But uh, but yeah,

533
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,599
this fucking force we went there was incredible yesterday. It

534
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,680
was a brutal fucking hike. I felt like an old

535
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,680
man when I was done, because I've been carrying all

536
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,759
this shit. I'm wearing these stupid like pull on steel

537
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:24,119
toe boots. They're they're like bluntstones, They're like knockoff blunstams.

538
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,000
I think they're wolverine. Totally inappropriate footwear for the ship

539
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,119
we were doing yesterday. It rocked my fucking what is

540
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,039
it plant or fasci itis when you when you're the

541
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,079
heels hurt. I don't know what it was, but it

542
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,880
felt like shit. I needed to do some yoga. It

543
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,759
really kicked my ass. But uh, that's nice. The kid.

544
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,640
The kid just waved to me. It's they see people

545
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,759
are friendly. Kid on the back of a motorcycle. But man, though,

546
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,400
So there was the cretty impacted natum up there. It's

547
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,200
probably a new species because Pectinatum is uh I think from.

548
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,519
It's probably a new Decridium species or undescribed not new,

549
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,599
but it sounds weird. New undescribed Deacritium species, which is

550
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,400
taxonomically distinct from Pectinatum, which is seen uh in the

551
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,359
islands further west. Where was it Pectinatum is from? Where?

552
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Like Indonesia? I gotta look, but there was. There was

553
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:33,079
Nepenthes Vaccinium leptospermum, which is mertesi ah Simplokos, which is

554
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,119
I think the family is simple casey, but that's in

555
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,240
h Eric Calees. It's another era Calees member, blueberry order member.

556
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,119
Absolutely wild shit. This decritium was just fucking what a

557
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:51,559
banger of a plant, Just these Jurassic age conifers growing

558
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:54,599
all scraggly and shit in the forest. You know, the

559
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:59,599
the foliage looks like lycopod leaves. Just the really remarkable plant.

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,160
I love seeing poto carbs because they're just so fucking old.

561
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,640
There was also Agathis, which is another you know, it's

562
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,680
the quote unquote monkey puzzle family, Eric Carreyace. There was Agathis.

563
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,880
I think it's been lumped in with Alba, but it

564
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,119
used to be Agatha's philippinensus. I don't know if that's

565
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200
a valid lump. You know. I always prefer splitting as

566
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,400
opposed to lumping. Oh shit, we got a chicken in

567
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,599
the variety store in a sorry, sorry store. I don't

568
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,240
know what are you doing in are you can't hang

569
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,519
out in air? I came down here to use the internet,

570
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,400
but it's closed. You know, these fucking Catholic holidays. The

571
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,039
Catholic is hell here due to the Spanish colonization and whatnot.

572
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,000
You know, you know, if you could take how crazy

573
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Albolinas and shit get everybody gets about their religions. Oh

574
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,519
you know, fucking eyes rolled back in the head, hands

575
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,599
up in the air. Oh god, they're just feeling the glory,

576
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400
the orgasmic glory of whatever in visible friend they have.

577
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,359
If you could take that and teach people to have

578
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,799
that kind of feeling about the biosphere and the living world, Yeah,

579
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,359
you got it. You don't have to worry about conservation anymore.

580
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,960
It'll be handled. Oh look a puppy. Anyway, I gotta

581
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,440
do some work right now. I'll get I'll check back

582
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
with you in a little bit. Oh, these dogs are

583
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,119
coming by to vet me. All right, here we go.

584
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,000
It's this should be fun, all right. Uploaded a bunch

585
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,000
of iron Aid observations and uh now I'm headed back

586
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:26,240
up the hill to the quote unquote resort. I mean

587
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:28,279
for a resort, I don't know if I would call

588
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,359
it a resort. It's more like a uh it's like

589
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,759
a cinderblock hostile that's got two rooms and a shitter.

590
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:39,319
You know what's nice though, it is all the shitters

591
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,799
here have bid days. How the fuck can you call

592
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:48,240
the United States a civilized country if we haven't normalized

593
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,680
bid days yet. It's disgusting, it's fucking repulsive. You know,

594
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,359
using toilet paper, you're just rubbing the shit into your ass.

595
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920
This is why you listen to this podcast so we

596
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,359
could talk about toilet at a kid. Do you hear

597
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,319
that cicada? Still? It sounds like a burglar alarm. I'm

598
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,640
fucking walking up a very steep grade, so you're just

599
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,920
gonna have to deal with my windedness. But yeah, there's

600
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,359
mid days everywhere, and it's the ones that actually hang

601
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,440
up on a wall and you know, you squirt your ass,

602
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,279
you can. You know. I went into a Denny's. We

603
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,119
stopped in a fucking Denny's and there was a bid

604
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,839
day in the Denny's. I was impressed. I said, wow,

605
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Oh Jesus Christ. So anyway, lots of fucking pandanas here

606
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
and it's a remarkable genus that I'm really coming to

607
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,440
appreciate more and it's amazing. Oh yeah, this is Steve.

608
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,960
I wanna take a break. God damn man, the pavement's

609
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,480
got grooves in it, so you know, people coming downhill

610
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,680
don't slip and slide all over the place during the

611
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,000
wet season, which is most of the year. This is

612
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:12,359
tropical rainforest, but Pandanus is everywhere, man, and I think

613
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,160
we sell like six species yesterday, including the new one.

614
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:23,359
And it's amazing the convergent evolution between the dick like

615
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,960
prop roots of pandanas and the dick like prop roots

616
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,279
of Iriardia del toidia, the quote unquote walking palm, which

617
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,480
doesn't really walk, it's a dick palm. It just sends

618
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,519
out prop roots. So being monocots, of course, these plants

619
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,839
don't get growth rings. Beautiful fucking butterfly. These plants don't

620
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,480
get growth rings, and they don't have lateral growth, just

621
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,640
apical growth up and down. Roots grow and the shoots

622
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,319
grow just like palm trees. They don't grow wider, but

623
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,160
for that to compensate for the increased need for vascular

624
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480
supply as the plant grows up. Because many of these

625
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:10,880
pandanas pandani is that a word, Many of these pandani,

626
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,679
I'll just make it up. That's what I call it.

627
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,760
Many of these pandani branch to make up for that

628
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,920
increased vascular supply as well as the structural support in

629
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,920
these soils. They send out these prop roots, and the

630
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,840
way that the root cap is situated on the prop root,

631
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,079
it really looks like a dick. It's very oppressive, you know.

632
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,760
And if you got if your mind's in the gutter

633
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,719
like me, well you know what to do with that.

634
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,280
But some of these pandanas, I mean, they look like

635
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000
they were mildly reminiscent of a gave Atroverians known from

636
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,159
the cloud force of Wahaka, the generally biggest fuck agave,

637
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:55,199
probably the largest agave that exists. Jeremy Spath sells it

638
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,760
a hidden a gave nursery, and Encinitas think he sells

639
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,039
all the agaves, most of them, including some gentry Eye

640
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,480
that I sent him seed for which if you live

641
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:10,880
in Portland, a gave gentry Eye is like a gave Montana,

642
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,280
except to produce his offsets so you can cut them

643
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,440
off and give them to your friends. Absolutely massive agave

644
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,400
known from higher elevations into Wavo leone like Sarah Poto

645
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:27,840
c at ten thousand feet in the pinus Hertweggi force.

646
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,079
What the fuck is that thing. What is that white flowered,

647
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,320
massive tropical tree. God damn, there's some cool shit here.

648
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,280
I'm glad they're looting it for destroying it to make agriculture.

649
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,239
They I just mean my fellow humans. But uh, fucking hey,

650
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,719
what are we doing here? Man? Is there not a

651
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,599
way you can have both keep remnants of the forest

652
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,559
because you appreciate it, and still grow five undred thousand

653
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:06,360
shitty tomatoes. I shouldn't call them shitty. Maybe they're wonderful. Yeah,

654
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,559
this is that central sema, the Cuitttoria vine. Maybe I'm

655
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:14,000
gonna take this back and bring it to Jason because

656
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,639
I think it's invasive here anyway, unless it's pantropical. But

657
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,800
these pandemics look like a gave atro Virreans can get

658
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,760
this fucking thing old. I got to chew it. God damn,

659
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:38,079
a gave atro virance. Just these massive rosette leaved monocots

660
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,880
with spiny margins, and except the pandanas have proper roots

661
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,599
of course, just growing in the understory of these tropical

662
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:56,119
force I don't think I've seen any growing out in

663
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,480
full sun, like when we were on the Knife Sedge

664
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:08,480
Ridge yesterday with rhododendron subsessile and the simplocos interesting genus.

665
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,400
Why does our gang or the king organic materials smell

666
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,920
like dog balls or like dog breath or something. It's

667
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,920
like you need a slobbery dog. You ever meet those,

668
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,880
Like when you ever met a redneck that fetis dog beer.

669
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,400
That's terrible, But I've met it. I've met that before

670
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,840
and it smelled like this. But anyway, so these pandanas

671
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Pandanas and fray Sanetia are the two genera in the

672
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,119
pandines we're encountering. Fray Sinetia has really cool looking flowers too,

673
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:51,400
purple anthers that look like large purple cotton swabs. I

674
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,800
think they're monecious or dioecious. I'm not sure, but it's

675
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,360
an impressive family. And then, of course, the order Pandinales

676
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,559
is the order of the New World velozi Ac, which

677
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,119
go fucking apeshit in Brazil. Probably one of my most

678
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:18,280
favorite plant families, the Velosias, I mean, they just look

679
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:22,039
fucking nuts. I think there might be an old world

680
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,920
genus too, called zero something x er. So these are

681
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,360
drought talent, heavily drought tolerant genera. The Velosia is not

682
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,480
the pandanus and uh. I just remember being on these

683
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:44,480
rocky quartzitic outcrops in Mina Cheries, Brazil, and there is

684
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,880
just I mean, some of these velosias there. They can

685
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,320
dry out almost fully and turn crispy and then come

686
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,159
back to life. So they're poiquilo hydric or desiccation tolerant,

687
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,000
and they just look fucking wild. Their flowers are super

688
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,679
We're showy, which is cool, but that's like the least

689
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,199
of the interesting thing about them is that they got

690
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,400
pretty flowers. Who gives a fuck? What am I like?

691
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,639
Mark the Stewart, I look like a fucking Hallmark. I

692
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:12,519
look like one of the rich ladies that volunteers their

693
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:18,599
time at Missouri Botanical Garden. Oh, expect more jabs at

694
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,039
that institution. Not very pleased with them right now. They

695
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,159
kind of pissed me off. It's their HR department, to

696
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:29,639
be honest, fucking with some friends of mine. Anyway, they

697
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,760
got to get with the program over there. Man. They're

698
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,000
in this old school, wealthy, elite view of botanic gardens,

699
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,599
and that's not the way things are moving, at least

700
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,960
in the botanical sciences. There's a lot more people with

701
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,559
a lot more class consciousness getting into this stuff, and

702
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:49,400
Mobot seems a little stuck in the past, you know,

703
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:52,760
like they're just they're gonna alienate the poor in a

704
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,559
working class so that they can please the wealthy. Don'tor Okay,

705
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,079
that's enough. I think I'm already banned from that spot,

706
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,960
which is honestly not that much of a bummer. From

707
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,159
the herbariums a little bit of a bumb but like sure,

708
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,719
sure I could just put like a mustache and glasses

709
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,320
on and go in there, you know, be fine, mustache,

710
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,119
glasses and uh uh, you know, some sort of fucking hat,

711
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,159
some goofy fucking hat. I going to Yeah, he's fine.

712
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,000
He's got a goofy head and a mustache, a glue

713
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,719
on mustache and some glasses on. He looks totally different

714
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,280
night and day. I'll grow with beards, so I can

715
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,719
still visit the Mobot herbarium. Some squirrely kid in the

716
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,760
chair that's like super quiet, like glaring at you. Does

717
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,440
that happen? I think that's happened before. Is that cramp

718
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,639
PAGs and ye? Yeah he's problematic. So uh anyway, so

719
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,679
the velosias that I saw in Brazil were just fucking incredible.

720
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,239
This is a distraction from pandanas, but they're both in

721
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,280
the same order. Pandinalies. Uh so velosias are incredible. And

722
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,119
then of course you've got also in Pandinales that the

723
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,320
Panama hat family, the cyclant they see, which are also

724
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,519
pretty credible and bizarre. And when you look at the

725
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,320
flowers and you know, of course they're both all monocass.

726
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,159
When you look at the flowers, you could you could

727
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,119
see a lot more similarities as well. So seeing fray

728
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,679
Sinetia flowering was incredible. And I guess they do mass

729
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,119
flowering sometimes, so they've got these bright red bracts. And

730
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,239
then the purple anthe the purple pollen, purple pollen and

731
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,480
purple anthers is fucking wild. They're just there's They're really cool.

732
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
It's a it's a cool family. I think Pandanas is

733
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,199
all old world, so you're not gonna see any in

734
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:33,079
the Americas unless it's in a botanic garden or something. Anyway,

735
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,639
we're getting back, we're getting back to the little domicile

736
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,760
and want to talk to Johnny a little bit more

737
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,159
about this organization. He started and talk to Jason as well,

738
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,039
who's a fucking excellent botanist. Okay, we're back. We're back

739
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:52,119
with Johnny and Jason. So okay, so you guys start this,

740
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:57,199
this Phillip pp I Philippine Taxonomic Initiative, And what made

741
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,239
you guys start this? It's an ng O is that?

742
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,599
What is NGOMAN? It's like a nonprofit basically.

743
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nonprofit. So again, like, well, we were

744
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,000
probably one of the earlier members, me and Jason, and

745
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:14,119
now we're both in the on the board of the

746
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,119
of the nonprofit. So like we're both directors along with

747
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:19,199
Rob who is the founder.

748
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

749
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean it was such a super collaborative, grassroots program.

750
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,639
Just everyone's a volunteer.

751
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: Just a little bit. Yeah, like that's good, that's good.

752
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah right here, yeah, right there we go. Yeah yeah,

753
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,440
I mean it's just all volunteer based, right.

754
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: But the purpose of it was what there was no

755
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,239
organization dedicated to exploding the botany of the Philippines. And

756
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,400
there's a lot of work.

757
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,199
Speaker 2: Yeah here, it's an understanding area, super under studied. And

758
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,239
we found out, i mean, we realized that there were

759
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,800
so many things that were undescribed or novel or new.

760
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,159
There weren't a lot of botanist or taxonomists really working

761
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,719
on several families, right, and so yeah, I mean the

762
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,559
whole point of the nonprofit was to kind of just

763
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:03,000
really go out to these under described, under explored areas,

764
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840
kind of take a look at what's out there described.

765
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,400
And I mean a lot of it is I mean,

766
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,239
the showy part of it is describing new species, but

767
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,719
a lot of it also just kind of figure out

768
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,840
what's there in the first place.

769
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: But I mean it definitely seems pressing. It definitely seems

770
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,840
pressing when you look at the satellite map and you

771
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,280
can see the beige cleared areas creeping up. I mean,

772
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,159
you guys said, in the last five years alone, you've

773
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:25,599
seen like that down there used.

774
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: To be Yeah, yeah, exactly.

775
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean every year it gets a little bit worse,

776
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,159
which is kind of, yeah, you know, kind of depressing.

777
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's like everywhere though we're in the sixth

778
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,639
mass extinction, this is like.

779
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, no exactly, And I mean this

780
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,519
is supposed to be this is already supposed to be

781
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:43,960
like one of the most protected areas. I mean, we're

782
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,039
trying to get it to be even more protected through legislation,

783
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,960
but Yeah, it doesn't matter where you are. It doesn't

784
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,239
matter how beautiful the environment is, how remote environment is,

785
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,960
and everything eventually starts slowly getting cleared. You see traces

786
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,280
of it everywhere, even in all these really hard to

787
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,760
reach areas. Like one of the sad things about this

788
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,360
place specifically, it's a watershed right the forest we're in

789
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,960
right now. So, I mean there's a hydro dam that

790
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,239
was built. You know, it's supposed to be for the people,

791
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,159
burn power, you know, economic development, all the kind of stuff.

792
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,880
But one one thing it really led to was because

793
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,440
if you want to build a hydro dam, you build

794
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,320
roads to the hydro dam, and that makes it a

795
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,079
lot easier to poach and the lug or to just

796
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:23,079
even just get up here.

797
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,639
Speaker 3: And you know, build places.

798
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Like poaching can include hunting or poaching orchids.

799
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah we have we have both, right, so with people

800
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,000
who are poaching, yeah, plants orchids. And I mean even

801
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,320
our guy yesterday was when we were at the end

802
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,079
of things, he saw that hoya remember, and yeah, he's

803
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,159
talking about how everybody kind of wants hoyas.

804
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: Now, fuck.

805
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:48,159
Speaker 4: Even a military, even the military, they are interested in

806
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,920
the flora because it's very ornamental and a lot of

807
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,639
things happened during the pandemic wherein everyone wants to sell,

808
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,119
everyone wants to grow. So that's the things just and

809
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:04,599
a problematic in our plate in our angio. And the

810
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,400
other thing is this is a protected area supposed to be,

811
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,320
but there's no comprehensive listing in any case in our

812
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:16,159
protected areas, there's no comprehensive listing, so you don't know

813
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,480
what you get and you don't know what you lost.

814
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,400
A listing of plans, a listing of plants.

815
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: This makes work like this so important.

816
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, this thing is so important, and we kind of

817
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,320
empower the locouse, the forest rangers, the legislators by just

818
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,320
doing our thing. So it's a win win situation for us. Yeah, PTI.

819
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,079
Speaker 1: So that's like what you guys were doing yesterday collecting specimens.

820
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,320
You guys don't I found it interesting. You guys use

821
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,679
dnature alcohol for everything, even paper specimens. So you were

822
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,559
collectings in a bag so that they stay in a

823
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,679
good shape and with humidity and everything, and then bring

824
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,960
them back to the photo box, take pictures of it,

825
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,440
and then someone would be working the computer taking down

826
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,920
data and you'd be dick adding a description, a verbal

827
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,199
description of the plant, you know, pubesting, sound, undersides, whatever.

828
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of the things are important for record keeping

829
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,840
because some characteristics tend to feed when you preserve it

830
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,679
in alcohol. So we try to capture everything. So we

831
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,199
take photo so that we know the flower, we know

832
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,920
the scent, we know the color, we know everything about it.

833
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,400
And also we take note for on the location and

834
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,840
the coordinates. But it's internal on us and also the

835
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,920
general ecology and it might be helpful in the future.

836
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:39,039
Imagine one hundred years from now and everything's kind of

837
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,599
converted into farms. We don't know what's going to be

838
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:48,440
the baseline data for this if we don't know it today. Yeah,

839
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:50,000
but it's going to happen right away.

840
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: Right, But that happens because people don't value the forest.

841
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,880
And it's the same all over the world. Yeah, most

842
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,880
people just don't value it if it's not immediately used

843
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:05,280
as a sellable good, a medicine, a drug, or or edible.

844
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,559
People just don't give a shit.

845
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of problematic because it's they the indigenous

846
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,480
people that doesn't care on the environment.

847
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,679
Speaker 1: So it's the indigenous people. Yes, sounds kind of counteracts

848
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,719
the whole like Western identitarian narrative that it's just about

849
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,440
it's just about rather than being about the ideas, the

850
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,159
cultural ideas, like whether a culture values the plants. It's

851
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,599
just like this, and I feel it's important to point

852
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,400
out because it's really fucking annoying, Like this is a

853
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,840
big thing in the US. It's just this kind of

854
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,239
oversimplified thinking of like anything indigenous, they automatically value the

855
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,000
flora and protect it and their goods and they know

856
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,400
how to do conservation. Yeah, it's like this really fucking weird,

857
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,679
like racialist thing, and of course people misinterpret it as

858
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,880
that too, like you know, you they just break it

859
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,039
down to bare bones without talking and then why that

860
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,079
aggravates me. It's like, no, it's about the fucking does

861
00:47:58,119 --> 00:47:59,760
the culture respect the plants?

862
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:00,559
Speaker 3: You know?

863
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: And it doesn't. I don't care what their fucking phenotype is.

864
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,079
Do they respect the plants? And that's where I come at,

865
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,239
trying to, you know, inspire that in different cultures or

866
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,679
different people or whatever, get people excited about the plants,

867
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:15,159
like it's cool, not just because you can put it

868
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:16,440
in your ass and make a drug out of it

869
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,639
or eat it or whatever. But because it's this part

870
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:21,639
of this incredible living machine that we're barely on the

871
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,159
cusp of understanding, and we kind of.

872
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:32,159
Speaker 4: Torn or feel the about it because on the other hand,

873
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,079
these guys are poor.

874
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

875
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: So poverty.

876
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's poverty that driving them to do these things.

877
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,719
So if they have just enough opportunity, they might not

878
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,760
do this. But because our our government is kind of

879
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,400
mess up.

880
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Well people still do the United States. I mean, there's

881
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,199
more poverty, but all the developers in the United States

882
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,280
are pretty wealthy, and they're still just destroying everything. Like

883
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,920
it's this human it's like this, if it's there, they'll

884
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,079
take it. It's just the human. When you don't have

885
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,360
a human culture that respects the native plants and sees

886
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,360
or protects them with laws, then people take it, rich, poor, whatever,

887
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,480
they just start going for it. It's just kind of

888
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:18,599
our our nature unless we protect against it with culture.

889
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

890
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,559
Speaker 2: I mean, and to your point on sort of indigenous

891
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,320
knowledge sometimes of being destructive, that's absolutely true.

892
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's a bat peep of mind.

893
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,039
Speaker 2: When conservationists, especially here in the Philippines too, when we

894
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,159
talk about sort of like a new plant or like

895
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:36,239
a new plant. Whenever we describe a new species, that

896
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,559
actually always happens, right, any species, What it is one

897
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,679
of the first questions people ask us. Also, it's like,

898
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,280
you know, what benefit does it have? You know, how

899
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,679
how do people use it?

900
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 3: What can I do in life?

901
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,039
Speaker 1: Drives me?

902
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why can't things just exist? Like?

903
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: Oh, you you get to decide whether this has a

904
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,440
right to exist? Yeah, exists on how it serves you. Yeah.

905
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: So if it doesn't have any use, does it mean

906
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,000
it can go extinct? I mean, we can clear it absolutely.

907
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Do you know how many aspects of culture I, in

908
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:07,400
my opinion, are just frivolous and have no fucking use whatsoever? Billboards,

909
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,039
car dealerships, you know, strip malls paid a loan places.

910
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,840
Those places should be wiped out of existence. Not things

911
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,760
that took millions of years to evolve, Yeah, a loan place,

912
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:24,440
especially predatory insurance companies, all these insurance offices.

913
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

914
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we have kind of pivot away

915
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,719
from sort of that idea of conservation where if something

916
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,679
is worth conserving, it means it has some sort of

917
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,760
economical value. To some people, like no, I think that's

918
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,679
insane and I think that's not that's a completely wrong message.

919
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: That's like from the like twenty years ago. Oh do

920
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,719
you know how many potential cancer remedies there might be

921
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,519
in the rainforest. Yeah, that's the only reason for it's

922
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:51,280
going to cure cancer. Like, why don't you fucking stop

923
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,199
pumping poison into the environment. That might be a place

924
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,320
to start. Start regulating your corporation, start regulating your politicians

925
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,199
through the corporation's.

926
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: Own Yeah, exactly. So.

927
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's what part of conservation, especially are in Philippines.

928
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,320
That's such a big thing now. I mean we're kind

929
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,400
of behind that. People are just righting the wave of

930
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,559
you know, ecosystem services, you know what about all the car.

931
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:19,039
Speaker 1: But people who care about biodiversity. Yeah, people bring that

932
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,119
up all the Yeah, it kind of missus the whole point, right,

933
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,400
I mean, my god, the universe is so beautiful and

934
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,239
it's just a reflection of ourselves to me, right, Yeah.

935
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,119
I always talk about this this sagan esque dystopia, like

936
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,840
the Carl Sagan's version of dystopia, where everyone benefits from technology,

937
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,840
but everyone's just a fucking ignorantus and there's no clue

938
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,440
how it works, doesn't care too. Yeah, it's it's you know,

939
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:42,119
it doesn't like see the beauty in science, like it's

940
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,039
just but that's you know, the result of cultural conditioning

941
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:46,599
as well. I mean we see that that's going on

942
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,920
really bad in the US right now.

943
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean even here, there's just a

944
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,719
complete lack of like, yeah.

945
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, that truth that's slowly driving by.

946
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: Hey, that's an outfit thought. That's nice. You know, that's

947
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,719
like a like the Philippine version of a hippie band.

948
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually that's pretty cool. Yeah.

949
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: Shoot, I have totally lost my train of thought there.

950
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,800
That found was so loud, just.

951
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,519
Speaker 1: Completely But we were just talking about about just getting

952
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,360
people to care about conservation and science and this this

953
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,639
dystopia that, at least in the United States we're headed

954
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,920
to where it's like every year society is getting dumber,

955
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:31,079
and there's there's people inadvertently fighting against it just by

956
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,800
you know, citizen science or community science or fucking getting

957
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,400
people excited about the biosphere they live in. But it's

958
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,280
it's not enough because there's just such a defunding of

959
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,719
science in the US in general. But there's funding for

960
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,440
science here.

961
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason, like I mean Our org

962
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,599
is entirely volunteer base, and we only come out on

963
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:55,320
these expeditions when we've raised money for it, or whether

964
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,039
it's through a graph or whether it's through crowd fundraising.

965
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,519
And I mean, I guess that's one of the success

966
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:00,960
stories that if the Beans too, is that a lot

967
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,199
of it is citizens science. A lot of like especially

968
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,639
for botany man, like, most of it is citizens science.

969
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,199
Speaker 3: A lot of it is just volunteer work.

970
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: A lot of it's people contributing just random photos, getting

971
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,039
a little bit of excited posting it on Facebook, trying

972
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,519
to find an id's.

973
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,679
Speaker 1: But not a lot of people use our naturalists too.

974
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird because I mean, well, the Philippines is

975
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:23,039
also one of the most chronically online.

976
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,559
Speaker 3: Countries in the world.

977
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:26,599
Speaker 2: I think we're like literally the most social media We

978
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,480
have the most social media presence per capita or something

979
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,639
of the sort. So I mean one of the instead

980
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:38,199
of using like anat, we literally have a Facebook group.

981
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,719
People just post on the Facebook group.

982
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,119
Speaker 1: You got to get people on though, because just the records,

983
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,199
you know, and then you can link that to like

984
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,639
your own science. Yeah, Philippines specific science.

985
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens currently is on the group. We

986
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:54,559
have a couple of like people who manage the group,

987
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,000
so like doctor Pelser, doctor Julie for all the good

988
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,519
records where there's like clear idea, good pictures, they upload

989
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,599
everything onto a website called it's also called Coast Digital

990
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,360
Floor the Philippines Philippine Plants. Yeah, named after Leonard Cove,

991
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,440
who was like the godfather, like the patron saint of

992
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,599
Botany and the Philippines. Yeah, he was like a legend,

993
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,320
so it's named after him. Everything's online this sort of

994
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,440
repository there. But yeah, I mean eventually, I mean that's

995
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,400
something I'd like to work on eventually, is trying to

996
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,360
find a way to just link that whole repository to

997
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:28,760
like imat or to other.

998
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: I think data bass people who use I naturally. Yeah.

999
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: Also it's super easy, so helpful.

1000
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, emphasize the importance of obscuring location. YEA four attacks

1001
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:41,239
that like the penthes or the orchids. They got the

1002
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,679
fucking orchid diversity. We started saying, So let's talk about

1003
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,760
more of the plants that we saw. We saw that

1004
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,840
bulbo phylum. How many new species or undescribed species did

1005
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,280
we see yesterday?

1006
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 4: Do you think about ten or twenty like that, because

1007
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,719
I let us tame alone. It has about fifty and

1008
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,719
underscribes p sees all over the Philippines a.

1009
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 1: Lot of cases. Yeah, the explosive standards.

1010
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, those those things, those are pretty understudied here in

1011
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,199
the Philippines. And it's about fifties. You have fifty to

1012
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,960
fifty chinks of seeing and undescribed a lot of stema

1013
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:21,280
in the Philippines. That's how understanded it is. We all

1014
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:25,280
our our attention is all on beguns, but not on

1015
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,599
other uncharismatic things that looks like weird and somehow do

1016
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,239
you have this in the US, Like when you discover

1017
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,360
some new species of plant, you tend to.

1018
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 3: What do you call that?

1019
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 4: You know, Madama, disregard the scientific value of that because

1020
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,840
everything knows that it's already existing. Like that. Do you

1021
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,519
have that in US?

1022
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: Well, people have known about the plant already, but it

1023
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,679
hasn't been.

1024
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, or even just I mean this is so this

1025
00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,159
is kind of annoying the Philippines there. Like this also

1026
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,559
happens whenever you public new species. For example, we published

1027
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,599
in Nepenthees new Spieces of Depentees.

1028
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: We described as critically endangered.

1029
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,639
Speaker 2: It's only like a curse and it's really steep, vertical

1030
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:11,119
limestone cliffs. There's only a couple of populations, you know,

1031
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,199
they're endangered everything. And then you get all these comments

1032
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:17,880
on Facebook or whatever saying like the Penthees new we

1033
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,960
have that in our province, we have that in our village.

1034
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,400
Oh yeah, people have no idea.

1035
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just a jerk off online, there isn't

1036
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,440
they all look the same.

1037
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:27,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1038
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 2: So I mean that's that concept, the plant blindness. And

1039
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,400
then you know plant blindness exacerbates conservation issues.

1040
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, that's a frustration. Man. That's

1041
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,639
just welcome to the club. You know. That's like the

1042
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:40,599
yeah I've got on by property. No, I'll do that

1043
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,159
with like plants in South Texas and someone. But I

1044
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,199
don't get mad at them to I understand. It's like

1045
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,679
this motherfucker has no idea. It's okay. I just want

1046
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,679
them to give a fuck about it and protect it,

1047
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,760
you know. And also my hatred for horticultural ship, like

1048
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,880
the Grandma plants, the fucking I mean, it's it's skyrock

1049
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,280
right now. I hate it so much because I realized

1050
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:06,079
I came to realize how in the way of appreciation

1051
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:08,719
of natives and of ecology that stuff is. When it's

1052
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840
like it's like, you know, and people do the same

1053
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,840
shit with things. It's like the way people view women,

1054
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,400
like you, when you view women with lip injections and

1055
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
fucking tons of makeup and all this shit on, like

1056
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,360
this fucked up shit that women are taught to do

1057
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,840
to their faces because of low self esteem or whatever.

1058
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,400
I might get control for saying that's my opinion. Right,

1059
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:28,880
when you view that, then you see someone who's got

1060
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,440
like a woman's got like you know, isn't wearing makeup

1061
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,719
or whatever. This is no one I associate with. This

1062
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,639
is like the square community, you know. But when they

1063
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,800
see a woman that doesn't have that, then they're like, oh,

1064
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,719
that's like she's ugly. All you wear makeup. It's like, well,

1065
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,840
your mind's all fucked up because you think marl Lago

1066
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,239
faces is pretty Like that's deranged and you don't even

1067
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,119
realize how you've been in doctrine. It's the same thing

1068
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:52,000
with plants, I think, right, or like r vice versa,

1069
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,239
like the women version of how women look at men

1070
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,159
and how society tells men that they're supposed to work.

1071
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: It's fucked up.

1072
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,639
Speaker 1: So that's why I've gotten this really like raging fucking

1073
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,440
hatred for the grandma, you know, Martha Rich Lady, Martha Stewart,

1074
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:09,400
Ye garden Center stuff.

1075
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: Like that horticultural obsession with you know, really showy flowers

1076
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,760
or yeah, always dead zones.

1077
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: There's never any insects there. There's never any birds there.

1078
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,079
They're just showguard. They're useless, sugar. This is the distraction

1079
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,079
from Philip stuff. Sorry, I went on my own tangent

1080
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,480
carry Wait, but but the bubble pilum we saw yesterday,

1081
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,039
the one that stank. There was the one that stankd

1082
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,360
that was in the lepto spermum tree, which was incredible.

1083
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,760
I got a photo of you in it, like this

1084
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,000
bondz eyed lepto spermum tree on a fucking sketchy knife

1085
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,920
sedge bridge, you know, one hundred and fifty feet above

1086
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,119
the ground. That was crazy. And then there was the

1087
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,239
other bubble phylum with the spike on it.

1088
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's yeah, the potentially new one.

1089
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: Tiny flowers on that fleshy spike that looks like a

1090
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,360
meat rod, like.

1091
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Pro looking love with these tiny flowers that like inverted.

1092
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:03,639
Speaker 1: Really remark in rhododendrons everywhere, and what is that jug lands?

1093
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: That walnut weld those are in Gilhartia.

1094
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Speacause it looks like a jug lands. It looks jugland

1095
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,400
ASTI like carry out or walnut.

1096
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,519
Speaker 4: You have a couple of neo asiatic temperate plants, but

1097
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,679
we're lucky because those are rare and those can only

1098
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,920
be found in higher elevations. So much which ones though,

1099
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,920
the juglands, the little harpos, you can only find it

1100
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:33,079
in the high elevation. The Plethraci, the plethronescence, yeah, clet Yeah,

1101
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:36,199
those are nice. And Helicia. Have you seen that?

1102
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: That was the prote Yeah?

1103
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 4: Pretty as Yeah I didn't, we didn't.

1104
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: I haven't seen flowers though. But I love Jason really.

1105
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,559
I mean, you're probably one of the best bondis I've

1106
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,519
met in a while. No, I mean not just trying

1107
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:51,719
to glaze you and being honest, because you you look

1108
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,360
at all these you're really well studied. Your what twenty eight?

1109
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm twenty eight.

1110
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really well right well studied. You know what

1111
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,480
characters to look for, especially for tropical botany. A lot

1112
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:03,320
of times you don't have flowers, So you know what

1113
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,199
other traits to look at, like step mules, resin ducts

1114
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,800
and the absision scars and like you saw on that melo,

1115
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,440
that mahogany.

1116
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 4: Family, the resin ducts. Yeah, the presence of resin ducts,

1117
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,280
the type of indmentum, and probably I think it's the

1118
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,039
thing that I want to I part with my teaching

1119
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:28,199
in taxonomy class. I'm currently teaching undergraduate student biology in

1120
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,480
upidili mind. I want them to look at not only

1121
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:35,000
the floral parts, not only the reproductive parts, because most

1122
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,480
of the time you're going to see plants but on

1123
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,800
their stereo conditions. So you need to find other way

1124
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,119
to identify. And there's a lot of options. Yeah, yeah,

1125
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:48,039
non flowering, non fruiting, and you need to see, you

1126
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,039
need to feel, you need to taste. Yeah, if it's safe,

1127
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,719
you need to taste. Yeah, that's why you see me,

1128
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,079
I used to taste a lot because those gives me

1129
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:02,280
hint on what family is to look at, what family

1130
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,320
is avoid Yeah.

1131
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,639
Speaker 1: Well we looked at I mean we saw you saw

1132
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,280
those resin ducts, those little dots in the excision scar,

1133
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,800
and then that narrows it down. What families could it be? Okay,

1134
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,119
it could be an a cardiac burst racing. Oh wait,

1135
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,960
but it's got these other traits that make that not plausible.

1136
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,440
It can't because burst racing only has this. So it's

1137
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,280
not that it's not burst racing. And and so, you

1138
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,320
you know, just being able to Yeah, it was. It's

1139
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,119
really cool. I mean, it's and it goes off just

1140
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,199
really it's like detective work, like trying to really figure

1141
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:35,039
out what the hell you always start, of course I

1142
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,519
tell people this all the time, what family, Yeah, start,

1143
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:39,360
you know, you've got to figure out what family first,

1144
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,719
and then you move towards other traits and other characteristics

1145
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:45,039
and maybe consult the list and what's been observed here,

1146
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:49,679
et cetera. But but yeah, man, it's a I don't know.

1147
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:51,760
It was really, it was really wonderful being in those forests.

1148
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,840
I still can't get over the cicadas that sound like

1149
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,000
burglar alarm, like a squeaking cicada. It's the most bizarre

1150
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:06,440
thing to me. So, but how did you get into

1151
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,519
plants to begin with? And how did you get into

1152
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:09,880
bodany as a science?

1153
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:16,719
Speaker 4: Are you talking? I was born with this affinity to

1154
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,400
plants already. I used to identify plants, but only using

1155
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,519
common names. Then somehow, jurning elementary days, I learned that

1156
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:31,480
every plant has scientific name. Then I just want to

1157
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:38,719
elementary school. I'm obsessed also with dinosaurs, so my father

1158
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,159
bought me a dinosaur book, so I tend to memorize

1159
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:45,440
them all. Then later I just realized there's no dinosaur

1160
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,760
in the Philippines. What things can be studied? That's so many.

1161
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,199
So you have plants, and I tend to guarden. Then

1162
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,639
up until high school, I was obsessed with native trees

1163
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,840
because of Sir Leonard Leonard Core who was killed by

1164
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:01,159
the way.

1165
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,199
Speaker 1: Then later on yeah rebel. Yeah.

1166
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,039
Speaker 4: Then I got inspired by that situation because he did

1167
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:18,519
not graduate under on his bachelor's degree, but he's so

1168
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,480
good that even the phdsc consulted him.

1169
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: Oh he never graduated from college.

1170
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:28,599
Speaker 4: He almost he did graduate, but it was thirty years.

1171
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1172
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was thirty years. It's so late.

1173
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1174
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 4: Then he was killed. Yeah, so that's it. I kind

1175
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:43,119
of like that situation that you're kind of uh, low profile,

1176
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:45,880
but at the same time you're so good at it.

1177
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I say all the time. Schooling can get

1178
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,559
them away. Yeah, things for some people, especially like in

1179
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,559
the US because it's so defunded and it's so associated

1180
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,760
with a very high cost, because it's been seen I

1181
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,039
think is like by the ruling classes this way, like, oh,

1182
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:03,679
people need to go to school, so they did a

1183
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:05,920
good job, so we need to charge We could charge

1184
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:11,440
a lot for this, and you know, it undemocratizes the knowledge.

1185
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,079
So I kind of look to me, I realized school

1186
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:16,960
was maybe a scam. Early on, I dropped out and

1187
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,119
then just did a trade. I worked for the railroad

1188
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:21,400
and then just got into this. I didn't had no plan.

1189
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,840
I just liked it. It was very interesting, so, you know,

1190
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,599
learning about taxonomy and this. But but I think like making

1191
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:33,079
the shift from just being into plants to appreciating taxonomy, biogeography,

1192
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,320
ecological roles, like seeing that whole context is a huge

1193
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,280
step for people. How did you get there? Like, how

1194
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,280
did you actually realize all that?

1195
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: So I graduated as a teacher. Then later on I

1196
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,960
met RAB, I met the PTI, then I got invited.

1197
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:54,519
I get to write a couple of papers, new new species.

1198
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,360
Then I just decided that I don't like to be

1199
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,880
a teacher. There's a lot of teachers that could be me.

1200
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,840
You could be thousands of teachers who are dreaming to

1201
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,760
be a teachers, but there are only few, probably one

1202
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,599
hundred that wants to be a taxonomist. So you have

1203
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:14,760
a lot of teachers, but no botanists here in the Philippines.

1204
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,679
So I decided to be a botanist to be unique.

1205
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,199
And there's so many things to study. There are ten

1206
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,639
thousand species of plants here, so we we need more,

1207
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:27,320
we need more.

1208
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: I think there was maybe one plant you saw out

1209
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,880
of you know, the whole day Australia. You didn't know

1210
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,960
what it was, maybe not even.

1211
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one, yeah, only one, the only one. Yeah

1212
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,760
that Eric is the one that looks like plots, but

1213
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,519
it's not in blocust not Also you're yeah not also.

1214
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: You thought it might have been pantophied as well.

1215
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:51,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, the safe bed for that is eric less. So

1216
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,159
let's when you are and the Wi FI zone.

1217
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

1218
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: Johnny kind of joked us that, wow, Jason and your

1219
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,239
you man, the first time.

1220
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,199
Speaker 2: That was the first time I haven't seen him. I've

1221
01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:07,599
seen him that's stunted, like just only to.

1222
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:08,519
Speaker 3: The order level.

1223
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's when we saw that.

1224
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty years that's the first time I've seen him anything.

1225
01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: You know, the thing that smelled very fragrant, right, Yeah, yeah,

1226
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,559
that's it. Yeah, probably and that sketchy ridge.

1227
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:24,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sketchy ridge when you.

1228
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: Guys said knife said ridge. Though I thought it was

1229
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,960
going to be like just a rocky no vegetation to

1230
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,239
catch you. It wasn't that bad. It was. I mean,

1231
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,280
it was sketchy, but it wasn't that sketchy. Yeah, beautiful

1232
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,280
views of the RhoD of dendro.

1233
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 4: Now if you go further, that's kind of worst. Yeah.

1234
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Johnny, how about you? How did you get

1235
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:44,760
into all this? And what was your background? Yeah?

1236
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: I think I'm sort of the opposite of I mean,

1237
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:49,920
funnily enough, I'm hearing Jason's story. We're super similar. Turns

1238
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,719
out I was a dinosaur not when I was a

1239
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,760
kid too, Like I.

1240
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:54,079
Speaker 1: Also was a dinosaur.

1241
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,599
Speaker 2: I guess there's a common path there, man actually bring

1242
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:57,440
dinosaurs back.

1243
01:06:59,000 --> 01:06:59,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1244
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,679
Speaker 2: No, I wanted to be a paleontologist all my life

1245
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,920
growing up, and then watching a lot of like I

1246
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,840
don't know, like Steve r and Captain Planet and all

1247
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,079
that kind of stuff. Yeah, maybe want to get into like,

1248
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,880
you know, more ecology, environmental science, so I mean I

1249
01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:15,000
finished under God as an environmental scientist, I wanted to

1250
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:15,480
focus on.

1251
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: Marine ecology, so that to it for a while.

1252
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,639
Speaker 2: My first job out, I worked for an environmental consultancy

1253
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:27,119
and it was I found it was super corrupt. One like,

1254
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:30,320
there's one big presentation I had with my boss and

1255
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,760
we were doing an environmental impact study for a coal plant.

1256
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: You know, did this whole study.

1257
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,039
Speaker 2: We had all these different impacts and I was like,

1258
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:37,559
all right, we're doing God's work here.

1259
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,239
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna list all these impacts.

1260
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to realize, you know, Cole's pretty fucking horrible

1261
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,440
for everybody, and we're not going.

1262
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,519
Speaker 3: To build it.

1263
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: So it presented it to the developer and to my

1264
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:48,199
boss and they're both like, okay, you can't say that.

1265
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:50,199
Speaker 3: You got to change this and change it.

1266
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm like what And I quit on the spot.

1267
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,639
Speaker 3: So, you know, made a.

1268
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,559
Speaker 1: Whole was the point of even doing it then?

1269
01:07:57,639 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, just to say they could do it exactly.

1270
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:02,119
Speaker 3: So I mean, that's that's how we did.

1271
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's a classic Philippine thing.

1272
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: We have honestly, really good policies and regulations in place.

1273
01:08:07,639 --> 01:08:10,679
It's just way easier to bypass them. Yeah, so it

1274
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:12,000
makes it harder for everybody else.

1275
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,079
Speaker 1: It's better than places like the US and Mexico where

1276
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,039
there's not even regulations. In a lot of places there

1277
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,359
used to be regulations. California has a lot of regulations. Yeah, Texas,

1278
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:22,640
you can. You can fuck the land into a coma.

1279
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,560
You can destroy it whatever, It doesn't matter. If you

1280
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,079
own it, it's yours if you want it. If there's

1281
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,680
endangered species there and you want to nuke everything with

1282
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,159
a flamethrower, you can do it. It's totally Yeah, it's crazy.

1283
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:36,039
There's no one stopping you. It's it's absolutely insane.

1284
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1285
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: So I mean yeah, because it adequate. You know, went

1286
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,119
completely different routes to entrepreneurship around COVID. I started gardening.

1287
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:49,199
You know, my dad was a lifelong gardener. I always

1288
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,840
really envied him, so I really started gardening. From gardening,

1289
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,960
it turned into taxonomy. Reached out to RAB or somebody

1290
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:04,159
introduced me to rab and funnily enough, when I first

1291
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:05,800
had a conversation with Drop, He's like, yeah, you know,

1292
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,960
what can you bring it to PTI?

1293
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like, when I was looking, I had to

1294
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:10,560
chat with him.

1295
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,279
Speaker 2: I was like, honestly, and I love Rob God bless

1296
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:18,119
his soul, but he's not great at managing things or

1297
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:19,600
organizing things.

1298
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, yo, I'll.

1299
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,199
Speaker 2: Help you run the I'll help you run the organization,

1300
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,880
make it more efficient and make it better and everything.

1301
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,079
And that's how I joined mostly, but I want to

1302
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,359
just really fell in love. But like everything we did,

1303
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,239
I joined him here just my first field work was

1304
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,199
here and the forest were in now and it was.

1305
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:36,199
Speaker 3: Just so awesome.

1306
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: But again, how did you make that switch from being

1307
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,840
into gardening and plants to being into native plants, which

1308
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,920
are plants that were literally bred by the region that

1309
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,960
they evolved. Yeah, well, to tie into evolution and biogeography

1310
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:52,800
and millions of years of selection by the environment. How

1311
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,840
did you arrive there? Because that's really remarkable. That's what

1312
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:56,920
I want more people to do.

1313
01:09:57,119 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah for me, And I think this is something I

1314
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,239
like now, even moving through workshops or when we try

1315
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:03,760
to teach, I think it's super important that.

1316
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 3: You can't really teach in school or maybe we should.

1317
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 2: We figure out a whin to teach us. Honestly, just

1318
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,399
a lot of whimsy and curiosity. It's really curiosity, just

1319
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,960
wanting to explore how why why does this thing look

1320
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:17,800
like this? How did it evolve from this other thing

1321
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,479
that looks exactly like this, How does the soil affect it?

1322
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,399
How does pollination syndromes change its distribution?

1323
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,199
Speaker 3: How does this interact with this or that? And I

1324
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:28,399
mean everywhere you look.

1325
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,039
Speaker 2: You could sit in a ten x ten square foot

1326
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:35,479
plot of forests and study it for a year and

1327
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,960
find out new things every single day.

1328
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:39,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, just think about what's in front of you and

1329
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,039
ask questions. And that's what I think I rate my

1330
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:44,640
merit of people on is if they're curious about the

1331
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,399
world around them, yeah and there, or if they're not,

1332
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,600
like when you meet when you meet kids, or if

1333
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,039
there's you know, the generation coming up that lacks curiosity.

1334
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:54,880
I'm not saying that they do, but if I see

1335
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,319
elements of that, you know, where they just take it

1336
01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:59,640
as if for granted, they don't think. There's no critical thinking,

1337
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,720
there's no curiosity. That's when it's like, well, what the

1338
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,960
fuck are we even doing here as human beings anymore?

1339
01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:06,520
You know, what are you doing? You're just it's just

1340
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,479
this race to know where to accumulate stuff. I'm sorry

1341
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,159
it turns with my own personal rant. You can tell

1342
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:14,000
I'm working through some shit here philosophically, but it's just

1343
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:17,680
it's disconcerting to me because that's the whole trajectory of society,

1344
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,960
is their curiosity, is their critical thinking or not, because

1345
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,720
if there's not, then you're just getting farmed.

1346
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,239
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1347
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: But we have like chat cheapt and everybody's just asking

1348
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,359
chat cheapd everything, right, I mean, curiosity is really probably

1349
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:30,399
going to drop.

1350
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I mean, fucking AI can be used.

1351
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 3: He's super useful.

1352
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: But when you're just doing it to pass the test,

1353
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,039
and that's what's taught in America is just memorizes you

1354
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:42,760
can pass the test. Do you understand it? No, who

1355
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,199
gives a fuck as long as you can answer the

1356
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:47,479
questions and get a good grade. Like why why would

1357
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,520
any intelligent person want to be a part of a

1358
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,720
system like that. When they realize that's what's going on,

1359
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:53,960
it's like, this is just a fucking joke. This is

1360
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,279
just grooming people to be good workers.

1361
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you know, I mean I don't want to

1362
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:00,920
understand the world, you know, I.

1363
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 2: Mean that's my grandpa also, but like, yeah, I mean

1364
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,039
a lot of classes are universities here, it's just memorize

1365
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,560
X y Z and use it to pass an exam,

1366
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,479
and it doesn't really translate to anything, right. I mean, yeah,

1367
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,960
if there's not enough curiosity, and I think that's something

1368
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000
we really need to cultivate.

1369
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: We really need to try to pi. Yeah.

1370
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, have you seen Jason in

1371
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,600
the field. Every time he walks into something cool and

1372
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:27,920
he's just like a little yeah, oh my god, everything everything.

1373
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: No.

1374
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 2: I thought that literally the first my first field work

1375
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,880
here to that point, I found I still think botanists

1376
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,319
are crazy. But the first field where we did here,

1377
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,560
we went we took a wrong turn somewhere, and it's

1378
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,199
the first time we went through that trail. And now

1379
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,199
that trail we call it suicide trail just because it's

1380
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:51,359
pretty horrible. It's one of those moments where we're kind

1381
01:12:51,359 --> 01:12:54,439
of clutching on like a stray root and your thing.

1382
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,359
You know, if this rude iss dat falls up, you're

1383
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:59,119
gonna yeah yeah, and it's like a like a.

1384
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,039
Speaker 3: Cliff face and like this breaks, you're straight up just

1385
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:02,479
and gone.

1386
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. What was cool about that area yesterday though, is

1387
01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:07,600
when you look on the map, you're like, yeah, we

1388
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,720
went to right where the clearance stops. Yeah, and I'm

1389
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,800
sure it's just like a tumor, it's gonna keep spreading.

1390
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,000
But then you look and there's and you see the

1391
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:17,159
crazy shit we saw, and you look deeper in and

1392
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,119
you're like, holy fuck man, there's got to be so

1393
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:19,640
much more.

1394
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't stop, It goes on, yeah, exactly, and

1395
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,479
it just keeps getting it just keeps getting like better,

1396
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,439
Like every every time we i mean we've been coming

1397
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,560
here how many times. It's at eleventh field work in

1398
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,279
this forest, and every time we've come here, there's always

1399
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:35,880
something new. We've been to the same site how many

1400
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,359
times and there's always something new to shit, it's crazy.

1401
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 3: Just I mean there's so and we've.

1402
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 2: Covered what zero point one percent of this protected area.

1403
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just so much more out there.

1404
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,079
Speaker 1: There were ton just to not to get distracted on.

1405
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:57,119
But that shit's hilarious. Like that palm, this short palm,

1406
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:59,239
do that even get really big? Yeah?

1407
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: They got huge.

1408
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: Get the hypodermic needle palm and it's it's got these

1409
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,279
but those those trailing ends that taper off, you know,

1410
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:14,880
you've got the leaf that comes out. What is the

1411
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:17,399
is that what's what's the proper name for a palm

1412
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,479
leaf that comes up. It's just leave whips. Yeah, the

1413
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,399
front and then it's got the whips that come down

1414
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,760
and have those curved spines. Then is the point of that.

1415
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 4: It's the leaf apex of the pandane. It's used for

1416
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,479
climbing because the Yeah, they're a time because climbing, for climbing,

1417
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,159
because they are.

1418
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,520
Speaker 1: Gross do in Australia, they use their tendrils for.

1419
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 4: Climb yeah like that like that, so they use that

1420
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,680
and also for defense because animals tend to avoid spiny

1421
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:55,359
things here we don't have a lot of. Yeah. So

1422
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,720
Johnny is the example. So he got caught up in

1423
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,640
his head with reap off their at time.

1424
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,359
Speaker 1: They kept taking my hand out.

1425
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,199
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, ratons have evolved over millennia to

1426
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:12,600
get to this point specifically to fuck with me.

1427
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: I hate them.

1428
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: You guys when you I mean, I have spiny plants

1429
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,720
where I live, so I'm used to them. So when

1430
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,680
you guys talked about this hate for ratans yesterday, I

1431
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,039
was like, man, it just spiny plants whatever. But then

1432
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,760
when you see those whips, you realize like they really

1433
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,720
are they're like himalay and blackberries that we haven't invasive

1434
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,159
hybrid BlackBerry we have in the US that like hook

1435
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:38,880
onto you. They're just these really mean kind of like

1436
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,039
the bush lawyers, the raspberry species in the New Zealand

1437
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:44,399
they call them bush lawyers. They've got that same thing,

1438
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,560
these long whips with those. I guess it's for climbing too,

1439
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,000
but fucking hey, man, it's mean. Why can't they just

1440
01:15:51,079 --> 01:15:54,600
use tendrils like, you know, like other plants too. I

1441
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,920
don't know, it's it's bizarre, but that's a big genus though.

1442
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:57,760
There's a lot of species.

1443
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of species here in the Philippines.

1444
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,000
And if you're understudied, yeah, there are only a few

1445
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,039
old people that study the rattans.

1446
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: What is their main pollination?

1447
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 4: I think they are issues. So the males and female

1448
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,720
flowers are separate, so it could be wind or it

1449
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:20,119
could be insects. Right, Because ratans and many other palms,

1450
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:26,680
they have a reliable reproduction year around. They can flower. Yeah,

1451
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:31,119
it's a relied no, not even in dry season. They

1452
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:35,199
can flower. That's why so many pollinetors and many fruit

1453
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:40,640
eaters depend on palms. The palmd diversity and rattime. If

1454
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,439
you're not careful cleaning the trail, some might even fall

1455
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:45,960
onto you.

1456
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:52,319
Speaker 1: So that's calamus. Yeah, and then you've got Penanga.

1457
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 4: We got Pinanga, We got karyota in Palawan, and in

1458
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,880
the Lowlands you have the oran. Yeah, you also have

1459
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:05,600
a giant one that and live in Stonia, Saribus. We

1460
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,079
have a lot.

1461
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,079
Speaker 1: Actually, I had very little interest in palms, so I

1462
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:11,840
started going to more tropical regions. I think it's because

1463
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,039
they're so heavily abused in horticulture, because of this corny

1464
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:16,439
association with you.

1465
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:17,359
Speaker 4: Know, tropics.

1466
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've got a really interesting stable where I live.

1467
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,239
They get they're huge. They're very important habitat trees for

1468
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,479
owls and bats and stuff because they create these skirts

1469
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,159
of dead leaves that house a lot of things. But

1470
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:38,720
what are some other really high density species diversity genera here.

1471
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, those are crazy. We have about one hundred

1472
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,960
and twenty species and many are and then actually you

1473
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,600
can find them as a banyan so it's just a

1474
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,079
strong strangler fig. So it's a very big tree with

1475
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:58,119
a lot of Aia roots. So we've seen that last

1476
01:17:58,119 --> 01:17:58,920
time the first day.

1477
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the large one that's over there, the large one.

1478
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,560
Speaker 4: And we have another one that the cruise, the size

1479
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,359
of a dipterocarp. It looks like a dipterocarp with a

1480
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:13,119
large sweeping buttress. It's another type of Ficus, so it's

1481
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:17,359
from the Arriagata group. It has this street bowl just

1482
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,439
like the just like the terra car but still bears

1483
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,000
the same fig And another one we have the vining fig.

1484
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:27,079
Speaker 1: What is the one that was back here? Did you

1485
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,920
show me the head the inflorescences that come off the

1486
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:30,880
bottom of the tree.

1487
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:38,079
Speaker 4: That's Ficus minnahassee minahasa. Yeah, you tasted that? How is

1488
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:40,199
it enjoyable?

1489
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: It was a pleasant fruit. You don't like it?

1490
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,239
Speaker 4: I like it. It's it looks like it tastes like

1491
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:47,800
forest rations. Yeah.

1492
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,199
Speaker 1: For the flower, what does the flower look it's a

1493
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,119
strange flower structure on figs.

1494
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 4: As well, right, Yeah, the strange flower. So the flower

1495
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,640
of the fig is actually on the inside, the inside

1496
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,680
of the fig. So we call it that sincona. And

1497
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,920
it depends on the the species depends on the genus.

1498
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:13,680
But some figs bear only male figs. Some figus they

1499
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,520
bear female. Some have hermaphrodite hermaphrodite figs.

1500
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: So it depends on these are flowers or it's the

1501
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:21,960
same thing.

1502
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, the fig is the sincuna.

1503
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: The flower. But and so there's no showy petals, No

1504
01:19:28,319 --> 01:19:30,119
inc has to go inside this cha.

1505
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:31,079
Speaker 4: The fig was.

1506
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: Always a wasp, the same way that yuccas. It's always

1507
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,640
a moth. For yuccas, it's a monocut genus. Massive in

1508
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,279
the actually massive, it's a sparagacy. It's a massive genus

1509
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:47,760
in western well in North America and arid regions like grasslands,

1510
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,800
the deserts. There's some massive ones in deserts. It's a

1511
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,239
great genus. But they're always only pollinated by moths.

1512
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:54,159
Speaker 4: WHOA, that's amazing.

1513
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah that can be. Yeah, like Joshua tree is proroinated

1514
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:02,000
by a specific moth species. Yeah, a lot of yolks

1515
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:05,239
are I believe, but they're fucking they're really it's a

1516
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:08,479
really cool plant giness. But the same way Figs. Ficus

1517
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,399
is only pollinated by wasps.

1518
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, only wasps.

1519
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: What draws them in there is that they're laying eggs,

1520
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,319
or it's they're going for nectar or what is it.

1521
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:23,079
Speaker 4: So it's quite pretty life cycle. So the fig. The

1522
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:27,920
female fig wasp will lay eggs inside the fig. Yeah,

1523
01:20:28,079 --> 01:20:32,439
and after that the nymph will grow, so there are

1524
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,399
a mix of female and male. So the male comes

1525
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:39,359
out first, still inside the fig, and it will fertilize

1526
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:43,319
the female wasp, so when they go out, it's already

1527
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:47,880
they are already pregnant, and the male fig wasp will

1528
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,479
die inside.

1529
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: The fig, still eating the male wasp.

1530
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, we probably ate some of it, but it's good.

1531
01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:57,039
Speaker 1: So it's it's fine, you know, you don't even know.

1532
01:20:57,239 --> 01:21:02,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but that's it. You see the paradox of

1533
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,800
the forest. You have the biggest, weirdest figus and only

1534
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,920
it depends on very small.

1535
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:13,399
Speaker 1: Was beautiful as.

1536
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm not really quite sure, but it's un understanded ecological God,

1537
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:19,479
that's so fascinating.

1538
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that it was wasps and figs,

1539
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:23,159
but I didn't know. I guess I didn't know the

1540
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:24,920
specificity of it. Yeah.

1541
01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 4: I think the theory is one species of fig can

1542
01:21:29,079 --> 01:21:33,560
host multiple species of fig wasp. That's another that's a hypothesis,

1543
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,960
and the other one is co evolution. So you have

1544
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:40,680
the fig wasp. One one fig was for one species of.

1545
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: Holy ship. That's a loaded. That's like a tricycle with

1546
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:50,560
two people and a ton of shit on it. That's amazing.

1547
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 4: I think they are they're going to be selling fish

1548
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:59,159
because it's a un luck sound. Everyone wants fish.

1549
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but so but that's but they

1550
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,119
need each other. It's the symbiosa, the washings, the fig

1551
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:06,720
and the big Yeah, spent.

1552
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:07,399
Speaker 3: The whole life in the fig.

1553
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 4: Basically, I think what attracts them are the scent, but

1554
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:15,199
it's still an understandied research the scent of the fig.

1555
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: They lay eggs in the fig and then the larvae

1556
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,680
use it as food.

1557
01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, this the ovary. It is nutritious for them,

1558
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:28,800
and it's where the female was will lay their eggs

1559
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:30,399
on the on the seed itself.

1560
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:35,359
Speaker 1: There's some remarkable figs in the deserts of Mexico. Not deserts,

1561
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:37,920
but seasonally dry tropical forests.

1562
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,079
Speaker 4: Are they the seed us?

1563
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,239
Speaker 1: No, we have ficus. I forget some of the fighters

1564
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:44,840
I've seen in Baja, but it's they're going with giant

1565
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:50,359
tacti and really insane eight mushrooms once and this incredible

1566
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:53,640
fucking uh Somewhere in the right on the border of

1567
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,640
Baja California and Baa, California, Sir. I remember there were

1568
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,840
these figures that have been painted on the inside of

1569
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,079
this cave with like whales and ship. The fingers had

1570
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:05,520
six fingers on them, and I remember tripping my balls

1571
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,600
off pretty hard. There was a wonderful time. I came

1572
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,520
to some wonderful revelations at that spot. But there's blue

1573
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,840
jump trees and massive fighters like growing on these rocks

1574
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,079
with their roots coming down. I ever want to go

1575
01:23:16,119 --> 01:23:20,079
to Baja, we should go get that's we gotta go

1576
01:23:20,079 --> 01:23:25,439
to Vietnam first, So go check out the karst formations.

1577
01:23:26,279 --> 01:23:28,880
So there's a ristal loki. It was fucking wild too. Yeah,

1578
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,000
aristo located we saw.

1579
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's Aristolochio philippineensis. That's an endemic one.

1580
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,520
Speaker 1: A small shrub.

1581
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, a small shrub.

1582
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: Or bush like that two three feet.

1583
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:42,399
Speaker 4: The distinguishing characteristic for that plant is the absence of

1584
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,199
indumentum on it's actual leaf surface.

1585
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,399
Speaker 1: Put a thick white wax. Yeah it's yeah, bright white undersides.

1586
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 4: I still don't know the mechanism why did it evolved

1587
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,800
that way. But there's another species with the pubis and

1588
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,000
leaves and most.

1589
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,279
Speaker 1: Of the time, another Aristolochia.

1590
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, most of the time the aristo lochia here have

1591
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,880
pubis and leaves except for that, So that's kind of

1592
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:09,760
say shrub.

1593
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: It's weally mean, it's like one to two stems. It's

1594
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,399
like shrub and name only it's just like a woody shrub.

1595
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,119
It's not like a dense shrub shrub people might think

1596
01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:23,279
of when they hear of like a right, it doesn't

1597
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:23,800
get dense.

1598
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 4: It doesn't get dense. Also, we have a difference between

1599
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,159
in the vocabulary, because.

1600
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,119
Speaker 1: Well, you're here a technical term of shrub, but I'm

1601
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,600
using it like someone who's the way that I'm for

1602
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,640
anyone that's not a botanist, when they hear shrub, it

1603
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,479
might think of like a fucking box water or something

1604
01:24:40,039 --> 01:24:43,720
like a two stemmed with long eighth and nine inch long,

1605
01:24:44,039 --> 01:24:49,720
very couraceous, thick, leathery cardboardish leaves with and.

1606
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,359
Speaker 4: We're lucky, by the way, because we found it flowering. Yeah,

1607
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,399
most of the time it's just stereo.

1608
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: It's such a weird it was so cool to see.

1609
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,239
I love that genus man. But still trapping flies.

1610
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I observed that trapping fly, But right now no

1611
01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:08,439
one is really studying flies flight taxonomy and no one

1612
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:13,159
is really studying the ecology between plant and insect interduction here.

1613
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:14,479
There are only a few people.

1614
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 3: I know.

1615
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand why there's not many mosquitoes here. It's

1616
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,479
really thrown me out. There's mosquitoes at the lower elevations.

1617
01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Oh so that's actually interesting.

1618
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 2: I was asking our guides about it yesterday and they

1619
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,159
were saying, there used to be a ton of mosquitoes here.

1620
01:25:28,359 --> 01:25:29,279
Speaker 4: It happened.

1621
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,319
Speaker 3: All the wild boar got hunted off, so the mosquitos

1622
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:35,960
kind of went with them, apparently.

1623
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Oh, because there's not as much yeah, I mean there's.

1624
01:25:38,199 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: Not much mammals there's I mean there's bury mammals here. Wow,

1625
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,760
there's not many monkeys, there's not they got hunted too, Yeah,

1626
01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:50,800
and deer. The deer are gone as well. Cloud rats

1627
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,319
are gone. So it's this dir yea of all the

1628
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,760
mammals that have just gotten hunted, I mean the almost

1629
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,920
locally extinct basically. Wow, And you know, I guess that

1630
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:02,920
just also kind of decimates the mosquito.

1631
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,239
Speaker 1: But the wild boar were native pigs though.

1632
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there were native pigs.

1633
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 2: And then I'd say maybe like only the last twenty

1634
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,239
years have all the mammals and at least in this

1635
01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:17,640
forest have just been almost wiped out entirely.

1636
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: Just from hunting, just from hunting. Yeah, just so how

1637
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,840
deep I mean, if you go deep into the forest here,

1638
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:26,600
like another thirty miles north, like by air or something, Yeah,

1639
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,199
what do you encounter? Are there indigenous communities?

1640
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:29,399
Speaker 3: There?

1641
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: Is there people? Or is it pretty like raw?

1642
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,119
Speaker 3: Yeah still or what it's mostly raw forest? Now?

1643
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:37,239
Speaker 2: I don't think there's many people that live like really

1644
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:39,920
deep like no, no, no, yeah, most people are kind

1645
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,399
of like living mostly like in areas like this where

1646
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,600
it's been sort of either cleared or like there's been

1647
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:45,760
a lot of land use change.

1648
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I mean deep into the forest, pretty untouched.

1649
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,560
So I mean that's honestly would be cool to go there.

1650
01:26:57,399 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: But you know, there used to be headhunters here back yeah.

1651
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean the local diigenous people here, we're

1652
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,640
head of their historically, which has been pretty good for

1653
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:06,239
this forest.

1654
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:08,279
Speaker 3: I mean that's a big reason why a lot of

1655
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:09,319
it is still intact.

1656
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only getting cleared now instead of one hundred years. Yeah.

1657
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,119
Speaker 3: Now that the headhunters are gone, I mean, well they're

1658
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:16,399
not gone, they're still here. They just stopped head hunt, they.

1659
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Just stopped doing ahead hunting. Yeah. They switched vocations.

1660
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because of the missionaries.

1661
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: Oh what was that There was Spanish colonization or no, No.

1662
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,119
Speaker 2: It was American missionaries in the seventies or eighties, very recent.

1663
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: The history here was the because the Japanese occupied the

1664
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,840
World War two and then Americans came in and then

1665
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,880
they occupied. Yeah, and then you had they were just

1666
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,279
getting all Christy here and what yeah, pushing pushing a

1667
01:27:41,319 --> 01:27:42,239
big JC or what.

1668
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean the Philipin's already super Catholic as

1669
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,960
it is. Yeah, So I mean the American missionaries kind

1670
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,439
of went to like the like the indigenous peoples and everything.

1671
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,159
Speaker 3: And I mean that's also I mean that's another tangent.

1672
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious we get to do a little bit

1673
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,840
because I don't know much about Philippine histories.

1674
01:27:59,000 --> 01:27:59,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1675
01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean just interesting the effect I guess religion

1676
01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:06,000
had on sort of the environment. So on the one hand,

1677
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:12,159
the Spanish and Catholicism really made a very concerted effort

1678
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:15,880
to demonize local animist religious beliefs. So I mean, to

1679
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,079
the point about sort of the figs, the Strangler figs,

1680
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:23,319
elsewhere in Southeast Asia are sacred, they're sacred trees. Here

1681
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,479
we see them as haunted. And that was a very

1682
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:30,520
concerted effort by the Spanish. Oh you see, yeah, you see,

1683
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,760
uh you see a spirit or a day thing in

1684
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,319
that treet that's actually, guess what, an evil spirit?

1685
01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:36,159
Speaker 3: And fuck you up.

1686
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: So now we see demons everywhere. Philippine mythology now demonized.

1687
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,520
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of like Mexkin cultures like

1688
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,960
that to very superstitious, yeah, crazy superstitious like and a lot.

1689
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: Of it was also to I mean, if you see

1690
01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:53,239
trees as housing spirits, if you see trees as other

1691
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,079
than yourself where demons side, it's easy.

1692
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,520
Speaker 3: For you to burn the place out, are clear it? Right?

1693
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1694
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,239
Speaker 3: Something else also did the Spanish this.

1695
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:04,319
Speaker 1: Again making space in the culture for quote unquote nature,

1696
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:05,279
for the living world.

1697
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this.

1698
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,159
Speaker 1: You've got these cultures that come in that are completely

1699
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,960
antithetical to that, completely contrariant to that. It's like, oh

1700
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,000
you like the life around you? Fuck that we have.

1701
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:18,680
We have this invisible man who's gonna, you know, watch

1702
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,600
over you and put you in exactly the lasting jail.

1703
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:22,359
If you don't.

1704
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 3: Exactly like you know, come come to the Christian world.

1705
01:29:25,079 --> 01:29:25,600
It's modern.

1706
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 2: You can live in cities, you can be closer to God,

1707
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,880
and you know, you also end up burning down the forest.

1708
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,239
Speaker 1: But with Catholicism, it's weird though, because I feel like

1709
01:29:33,319 --> 01:29:35,920
there was this element, or there has been of this

1710
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:40,279
like progressive element at times, but then other times that vanishes,

1711
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,680
and a lot of the people that purport the follow

1712
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,399
Jesus that completely un Jesus.

1713
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,159
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, so I mean like there's there's been

1714
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:53,239
like historical Catholicism as a tool of oppression or like colonialism. Yeah,

1715
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:54,560
and then you also have but I mean a lot

1716
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,119
of our great bodyness were like Jesuits or monks, yeah,

1717
01:29:58,399 --> 01:30:01,119
you know, early and so a lot of that were great.

1718
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: So it was St. Francis, he was doing good stuff,

1719
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,399
you know, animals.

1720
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 2: And whatnot, right, Yeah, but I mean even some of

1721
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:13,760
our early botanists were just like yeah, fantastic scientists too, right, So.

1722
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: What what what year was this?

1723
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen hundred, nineteenth century maybe to like early twentieth century.

1724
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,159
Speaker 1: So like in this mountain range before you guys started

1725
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:26,680
doing stuff with PTI, who what was who were the

1726
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,279
last people to do major botanical work here.

1727
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 2: The local government, the local Department of Environment natural Resources,

1728
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:37,920
you know, they they have like some regular surveys, yeah,

1729
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,960
biodiversity monitoring, you know. Honestly, a lot of it was

1730
01:30:41,119 --> 01:30:44,760
done mostly ass uh that's a completion.

1731
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:46,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1732
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,399
Speaker 2: And also because because they wanted to build a hydropower

1733
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,359
that right or way back when, as a requirement you

1734
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,920
have to do sort of a biodiversity survey, So that

1735
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,640
was kind of like one of the early ones for it.

1736
01:30:57,159 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 3: But I mean it was very rough around the edgeress,

1737
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:02,279
you know.

1738
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I mean, in the past six years alone, like doing

1739
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,000
all the work we've done, we've more than doubled the

1740
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,399
amount of species. Yeah, so I mean, and that we're

1741
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:13,479
still finding more.

1742
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: So it was in my mind that this isn't this

1743
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,640
kind of thing isn't funded by governments all over the world,

1744
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,119
Like you should be going out to figure what figure

1745
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:24,279
out and survey what species. Yeah, given how important plants

1746
01:31:24,319 --> 01:31:26,920
are supporting the rest of the ecosystem and the biome,

1747
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,119
you know, survey what you have, like what's there, and

1748
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:31,279
then learn about it, you know.

1749
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, honestly, it doesn't cost much to

1750
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,720
do to these these trips either.

1751
01:31:36,079 --> 01:31:38,279
Speaker 1: Especially if you find people who fucking love doing.

1752
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,359
Speaker 3: It, like we none of us Yeah shit, dude, none

1753
01:31:40,359 --> 01:31:41,000
of us get paid.

1754
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it costs like maybe like one thousand dollars or

1755
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,079
something to do like a five, six, seven day expedition.

1756
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:50,399
Speaker 1: Yeah shit, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

1757
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 2: They'reabouts, yeah, thereabouts. I mean some of it just a

1758
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,640
random fundraisers where we sell like prints or let.

1759
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Be done and support something like that, Like just do

1760
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,520
a donation based like crowdfund or something through crime pas.

1761
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,039
It'd be fucking awesome, man, I guess it is a

1762
01:32:05,119 --> 01:32:07,760
long way. You guys have ultramafic areas too, Have those

1763
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:08,680
been surveyed?

1764
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 2: There's a lot that haven't been and there's a lot

1765
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,319
that are. I mean, I really want to do we

1766
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,680
should probably do a lot more work on the ultramaffics

1767
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:22,720
just because they're getting cleared. I mean, those are their discripes.

1768
01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: No mining.

1769
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 3: You see, like whole islands just getting wiped off.

1770
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: The faces are mostly ultramafic islands or what I mean.

1771
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,239
Speaker 2: There's some of the mainlanders, and that's some of bigger

1772
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,760
islands and is on there's some smaller ultramafic like islands

1773
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,239
that are getting like completely cleared.

1774
01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy how much ultramafic ship there is in this

1775
01:32:39,039 --> 01:32:42,520
whole chain down from New Caledonia up through the what

1776
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,880
do you call these island chains that the Philippines and

1777
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:49,079
so we see in Indonesia and all that. Is there

1778
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:52,000
a name for this region? I mean it's is this

1779
01:32:52,119 --> 01:32:58,359
considered Southeast Asia or what? Yeah, Southeast Asia, Alsia, Malaysia, Alsia. Yeah,

1780
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,680
but there's there's from Afix everywhere. Yeah, given all the

1781
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:07,279
subduction zones. Subduction zone, Yeah, you're up and crazy.

1782
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tons of like weird and you have like

1783
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,920
sometimes there's just cool spot in Pallowed where I think

1784
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,560
you could probably see them from each other. But there's

1785
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,520
like an ultramafic mountain and then there's a cars mountain,

1786
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,840
and then there's a granite mountain and they're all.

1787
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,199
Speaker 1: Like totally different species of Yeah.

1788
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, they're like literally just microandemics. These are all

1789
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:31,920
like super near each other. It's a cool place to

1790
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,520
explore to. Yeah, how do you spell it?

1791
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,039
Speaker 3: P A L A W A N.

1792
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: How far is that from here?

1793
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: It's a flight? Oh really yeah, or I mean you

1794
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:44,640
can take a boat.

1795
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: But there's but there's probably a ton of endemics in

1796
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,399
the ultramatic area is then oh yeah, on that soil.

1797
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can't get anywhere else, right, I mean,

1798
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:59,039
people things that adapt there are you know, very specifically.

1799
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:03,319
Speaker 1: Tolerance for all from apex exactly grow anywhere else without

1800
01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:04,239
having to re evolve.

1801
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So there's a much of like naps there too.

1802
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Many Yeah, undescribed species probably for sure, so many.

1803
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a bunch and but tomorrow yeah yeah,

1804
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:21,159
yeah that's true.

1805
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:25,039
Speaker 2: An automatic mountain Jesus. Yeah, that was pretty cool. So,

1806
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:26,920
I mean there's just so much there's so much crazy

1807
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:33,359
diversity here. It's just would be great to to really explore. Yeah,

1808
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,039
I mean, we'd love to kind of go all over

1809
01:34:35,319 --> 01:34:37,000
all over the Philippines. I mean the real big reason

1810
01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:40,279
we come here so often is because the local government. Really,

1811
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,720
i mean, we have a champion in Dasco.

1812
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 3: He's he's awesome, he's naughty assistant Protected Area superintendent.

1813
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,199
Speaker 1: And he loves what you guys do, and so yeah,

1814
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:50,960
he joinses a lot.

1815
01:34:51,039 --> 01:34:54,079
Speaker 2: Actually he's creative identifying now too, you know, and he's

1816
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:57,399
super supportive. So I mean we keep coming back because

1817
01:34:57,399 --> 01:34:58,239
they have so much support.

1818
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,119
Speaker 1: Let's talk about thearo carves really quick. Before we finish up.

1819
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:05,039
This is so the pterot carves, the terot carpace. It's order.

1820
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:11,119
Mount Valley is very ecologically important. Yeah, trees. You have

1821
01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:14,319
shoria and I guess rubro Shoria is some new genus.

1822
01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:17,199
They may or from yatual love. But tell me about them.

1823
01:35:17,239 --> 01:35:19,399
The wood is like this beautiful color, right, it's like

1824
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,720
that mahogany color. Yeah, like a pinkish color. How would

1825
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:23,720
you describe these so.

1826
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:29,079
Speaker 4: Everything, So the wood of mahogany. They are actually full

1827
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:34,800
of resins. And if we look at the habit of

1828
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,840
of the pterocarps, they are street bull They have this

1829
01:35:39,159 --> 01:35:44,800
very straight trunk, easy fifty forty meters long lug, which

1830
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,199
which tells you that it can produce a lot of wood.

1831
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,279
Speaker 1: Right, So they're desirable as number. And that's most of

1832
01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:54,159
the cut like boards we were seeing yesterday.

1833
01:35:54,399 --> 01:35:56,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are the pterot carbs.

1834
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1835
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. And here in the Philippines we have a lot.

1836
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:02,119
You are one of the centers of diversity for DiPT carps.

1837
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:06,720
We have any subtera we have, we have vatica. We

1838
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have are the hardest ones and one of the most

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endangered ones.

1840
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Speaker 1: So fast growing trees.

1841
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 4: The sad thing is most of them are slow growers.

1842
01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:20,199
That's why when we tend to cut the dept carp forest,

1843
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:22,960
it's very hard for us to recover them. That's why

1844
01:36:23,079 --> 01:36:27,840
fire is our enemy, and those arsonists are our enemies.

1845
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:33,479
And the one that goeses fire, they actually use fire

1846
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:37,279
to clear land for hunting, for farming and many things,

1847
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,800
but also to make the lugging easy.

1848
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 1: How do they do that because it's a high rainfall area.

1849
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,239
They just wait for the dry season.

1850
01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:47,239
Speaker 4: Or yeah, they wait for dry season, or they will

1851
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:52,039
pour gasoline, or they will set up some compartment that

1852
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:57,840
will let that will create fire automatically. Yeah, that's a

1853
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:58,359
sad thing.

1854
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,239
Speaker 1: The car So they how do they emerge from the forest,

1855
01:37:02,319 --> 01:37:04,319
Like are they shade tolerant when young or do they

1856
01:37:04,399 --> 01:37:06,319
need to exploit openings in the forest.

1857
01:37:06,119 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 4: Or they are really street tolerant and they require shed

1858
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:14,199
for growing. That's why it's really hard for reforestation, especially

1859
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:17,359
for the open areas. We see a lot down there

1860
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,760
right the open areas. It's hard to introduce in a

1861
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,239
very hot climate. They need they need shed, they need

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01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:26,279
enough rainfall.

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01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: But it's so they are not they're not they're not

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01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,159
early secessional species.

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01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:34,520
Speaker 4: No, they are not pioneer species. They are the climate species. Here,

1866
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,239
the climate species. The pioneer species here are the u

1867
01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:44,239
forbs the manga yeah pu was making into a half. Yeah,

1868
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,159
really large leaves and homal and thus and a lot

1869
01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:54,960
of they are the one that that are the pioneers.

1870
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Speaker 1: The lh create a microclimate that shorias and all the

1871
01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:02,760
the teocrafts need. What are the flowers that the teracrafts

1872
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,479
like pantamrus.

1873
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, pentamerous five merus, sepus five marus petals and the

1874
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:15,640
petals are contorted. Yeah, oh really yeah, just like hibiscus. Yeah,

1875
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:22,359
but it's smaller and also somewhat fragrant, the distinguishing characteristic

1876
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,399
for the the pteretocarps or the anthers. So you have

1877
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,720
the anterconnective. So something is sticking out on its statements,

1878
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,920
So that's the anterconnective. The presence or the absence of

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01:38:34,119 --> 01:38:39,880
this anterconnective is diagnostic between species. Back then, it's.

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01:38:40,119 --> 01:38:42,079
Speaker 1: It's how many how many statements? Five?

1881
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:48,399
Speaker 4: There's many many, ten twenty. We have this ruebrocho and

1882
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:52,079
negro sensis, which have fifty statements. That's crazy.

1883
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,520
Speaker 1: We're in the style is in the center.

1884
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 4: Is it perfect flowers or yeah? They are perfect you know,

1885
01:38:59,159 --> 01:39:05,399
sexual hermaphrodite. They are a hermark and it's fruit. That's

1886
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,560
that's the unique thing about the pterographs. They are wind dispersed,

1887
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,119
so the wings have the fruits have wings.

1888
01:39:11,399 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: How big the whole fruit has a wing?

1889
01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a nut and you have the wings

1890
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:16,920
like that.

1891
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,119
Speaker 1: How big is the fruit about?

1892
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1893
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 4: About this six incheses. Some are three inches long.

1894
01:39:25,239 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: Wow, you're huge.

1895
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 4: And they have this tendency to mass probably free.

1896
01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: So fruit will have how many seeds in it?

1897
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,600
Speaker 4: One seed? One fruit, one fruit, one seeds.

1898
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: So is it a a or a king rather or

1899
01:39:40,039 --> 01:39:40,880
what again?

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Speaker 4: It's a king, it's a not Yeah, it's a nut.

1901
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:50,600
But it's an orthodox Yeah, not so it won't last

1902
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:55,520
a day, it means, Yeah, it needs it's not tolerant.

1903
01:39:56,199 --> 01:39:58,920
There are only few species that can tolerate trout. But

1904
01:39:59,319 --> 01:40:03,199
it will die soon when you have that rampant fire

1905
01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:03,720
going in.

1906
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't keep well. They need to germinate shortly

1907
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:08,319
after them. Make sure.

1908
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it needs it also needs rain. It also needs

1909
01:40:13,239 --> 01:40:18,079
somehow protection because fire really fucked them up, and.

1910
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: They think likee meters.

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Speaker 4: The largest that I've seen seventy meters sixty seventy meters.

1912
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Undred and twenty feet. The wood is beautiful, man, I

1913
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:29,319
didn't expect.

1914
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:34,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the things here. These are the pterocarps really, yeah,

1915
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:36,600
even those beams. The tar harps.

1916
01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, are the carps you know their distribution throughout Malaysia

1917
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:44,840
then or yeah, the.

1918
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 4: I think up until yeah, Vietnam, we have that in

1919
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,039
Thailand also, and I think some few species in Africa

1920
01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:56,439
we have the pterocarps there.

1921
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1922
01:40:57,359 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 4: In India there's so many the ptero carps also, yeah wow, yeah, but.

1923
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,359
Speaker 1: Is there a forest left in India, I don't know.

1924
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of forest left the yeah, no, no, no,

1925
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,239
but I mean some of the other edge fellows are

1926
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:12,479
three of them from there, so, I mean it's pretty

1927
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,920
cool stuff there. But I mean the also super important,

1928
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,840
like a lot of the I mean, when we look

1929
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:18,520
at the different forest types of the Philippines, right, we

1930
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,560
have twelve different forest types for most of them, at

1931
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,760
the at the very least structurally, the terra carps are

1932
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,159
the most important thing. Like they're really destructed, like the

1933
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:31,319
architecture of the forest. It's really just mostly the pterracarps.

1934
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: How so you mean just in being like such major

1935
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:36,960
keystone species.

1936
01:41:37,159 --> 01:41:38,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly.

1937
01:41:38,359 --> 01:41:41,079
Speaker 1: So these poles like telephone poles. Yeah.

1938
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: If you look at if you fly like for example,

1939
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,479
like a drown or fly over it, most of the

1940
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,640
canopy is like the terracarp, right, what is.

1941
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: The shape from like a drone? What the what's the

1942
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:50,279
shape look like?

1943
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's kind of just like a large brocoli.

1944
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Yeah exactly.

1945
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I gotta go get photos of it. We

1946
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,640
head back into the if we could just take a

1947
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,880
walk around here before you guys dip out, before you

1948
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:10,520
dip out? Yeah, Am I gonna see you again after

1949
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:11,119
today or no?

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01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't know honestly.

1951
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,640
Speaker 2: In the field, Jason's disappearing for like the next month.

1952
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,720
Sh he's gone on off April I thing.

1953
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll see you yeah yeah, yeah.

1954
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll see you. Yeah, you're back of it for sure.

1955
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Speaker 1: Cool. Well we need to email at yeah yeah yeah yeah,

1956
01:42:30,279 --> 01:42:32,800
and uh let's go to the ultramatic areas next year

1957
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,920
or so. So thank you so much for your time.

1958
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,960
I appreciate to check out if they want to learn

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01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:38,960
more about this PTI.

1960
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're mostly on Instagram.

1961
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: You got plant Vision, the Plant Vision two.

1962
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,239
Speaker 3: So we just e merged.

1963
01:42:47,279 --> 01:42:50,079
Speaker 2: We make cool things, a little posters. Yeah, we're going

1964
01:42:50,119 --> 01:42:56,279
on a little plant Vision hike next week. Yeah, so

1965
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:59,439
that'll be pretty cool. Yeah yeah, so, I mean lots

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01:42:59,439 --> 01:42:59,960
of cool stuff.

1967
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be on that? You're not coming on that? Huh?

1968
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 2: You'll see another one of our guys genre, So he'll

1969
01:43:07,039 --> 01:43:11,760
he'll be with us, he'll be yeah, yeah, he'll he's

1970
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:12,439
the firm guy.

1971
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: He's the guy like a Napis was the Mecca fight firm.

1972
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you can ask a lot, you

1973
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:21,119
can ask him anything about.

1974
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,359
Speaker 1: Friend as you still don't know what species got you

1975
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:26,079
yesterday and I don't want to know that. But they

1976
01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:27,600
were biting. You think that's thing there?

1977
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, because I'm not itching now, so they were biting.

1978
01:43:30,319 --> 01:43:34,439
I just have wounds all over. It's just horrible from pronounced.

1979
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got me good.

1980
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, thanks Elepartus and uh yeah check them out plant

1981
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,239
Vision and then Philippine Taxonomic Initiative pt I. So yeah,

1982
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:44,199
all right, thank you guys for all you do. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks