1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,359 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:28,039 Federalist and your experience Shirpa on today's Quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:31,239 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,560 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDRLST, 6 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,399 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,920 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,799 Our guest today is Daniel Lennington, Deputy counsel at the 9 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:51,439 Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty. The Milwaukee based conservative 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,560 law firm has won some impressive victories for liberty, particularly 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,679 in taking on the destructive DEI movement in America. Dan, 12 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:03,880 as always, it's good to have you here on the Federalist. 13 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,159 Speaker 2: Radio a Low hey Man, thanks for having me on. 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you have been busy, haven't you at the 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,359 Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty. Before we begin with 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,439 the DEI, the diversity, equity and inclusion litigation that you've 17 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,799 had a good deal of success on, of course, in 18 00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:24,959 recent years, let's talk about how it all began. Folks 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,959 may not know about the Wisconsin Institute for Law and 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,560 liberty if there are in other parts of the country, 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,439 but Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty has 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,599 expanded well beyond the boundaries of the Badger State. 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,079 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. We started off a small Milwaukee firm 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,280 about fifteen years ago, sixteen years ago now, and we 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,239 were originally involved very heavily in Wisconsin politics, litigation at 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,760 the state level, state Supreme Court, important issues about academic 27 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,000 freedom and Act ten which is now back in the news, 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,599 and all the original legal battles that were in that 29 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:16,439 very hot period of twenty eleven through two thousand and twenty. 30 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:22,240 But once President Biden was elected in January of twenty 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,960 twenty one, he took the oath of office, we took 32 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:32,000 it upon ourselves to take more of a national view 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,639 of our rule. And over the last four years we 34 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:43,000 filed a dozen lawsuits against President Biden. We have represented 35 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:50,120 clients from twenty six states around the country and represented 36 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:55,400 over eighty clients and have taken on some of the 37 00:02:55,439 --> 00:03:01,800 most virulent parts of Biden's equity agenda. And some may 38 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:05,360 remember this right. When President Biden was elected, he passed 39 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,560 the assign the American Rescue Plan Act, which did a 40 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,639 number of things that was a trillion one point two 41 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,759 trillion or trillion dollars. And one of the things that 42 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:23,039 did is that it forgave loans that were due from farmers, 43 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,879 but if you were a white farmer, you could not 44 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,759 get farmer a loan forgiveness. And we brought a federal 45 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,439 lawsuit against that and got the first in the nation 46 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,599 injunction against that, a nationwide in junction against that program. 47 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,879 And from there we were off to the races, shutting 48 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:44,400 down programs that Biden was standing up to help restaurant 49 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,639 owners based on race, to help small business owners based 50 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:57,639 on race, into just having almost an extreme DEI agenda 51 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,039 that was treating America's America based on the color of 52 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,159 their skin and not their merit or their individuality. And 53 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:08,879 that is very offensive to us. And we were very 54 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:10,520 proud to be at the forefront of that and to 55 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:15,120 win many many lawsuits during the Biden administration. And now 56 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:21,040 and now we're seeing that we're moving into the ground phase. 57 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,600 My boss Rick Essenberg says, we've won the air war 58 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,600 and now we are going house to house. So that 59 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,480 is that is where we are right now with DEI 60 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:34,519 at the federal level. 61 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it feels a lot like a desert 62 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,040 storm in certain respects. It's certain that law fair is 63 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:48,079 as about as nasty as it can get, as we've 64 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,480 learned over the years from the left and what they're 65 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:54,319 capable of. But I think it's it's remarkable. I mean, 66 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,839 these these are important, critical cases for so many basic 67 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,079 rights that we all is, you know, seem to take 68 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,800 for granted until they're in peril, until in so many 69 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,519 cases we've seen, are lost. We're going to get into 70 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,160 the fact that the executive branch in our system of government, 71 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,160 in this wonderful republic, has the ability to do a 72 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,519 lot of things, as is being seen right now by 73 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:26,680 the forty seventh President of the United States, President Donald Trump, 74 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,839 and that's a battle that is ongoing. But as in 75 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:35,600 the executive branch, you can have all kinds of policies, 76 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 you can you have the ability to sign executive orders 77 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,040 and directives, but you can't do those in the name 78 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:46,920 of discrimination. And that's really where this battle is when 79 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,040 we're talking about DEI diversity, Equity and inclusion DAN. The 80 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:54,519 whole idea from the left as it has been pitched 81 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,000 in this bad Bill of Goods to the American people, 82 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,319 is it? You know, it's about giving people who have 83 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:05,879 been underprivileged, you know, people who haven't had the big 84 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,000 breaks over the years that some others have. But it 85 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,920 basically boils down they say it's about you know, restoring 86 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,879 you know, equality in America or bringing back equality. But 87 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,319 it has nothing to do with those principles. Equity and 88 00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:26,959 equality are two divergent terms. And what it boils down 89 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,600 to is discrimination again based on race. And I think 90 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,920 so many Americans look at that movement, have looked at 91 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,319 that movement and said, well, wait a minute, isn't this 92 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,920 the sort of stuff that we fought against during the 93 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,720 civil rights movement in this country. I mean, you folks 94 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:45,120 are at the front line of all of that. 95 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I defined the EI as a catch all 96 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,560 term that refers to a policy of discrimination against individuals 97 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,319 based on group identity in order to make up for 98 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,319 past discrimination. So the idea is that we see this. 99 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:08,000 We have a lawsuit pending right now against the federal 100 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,560 government for a program for colleges to help college students 101 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,959 who want to go into graduate school, and the Biden 102 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,720 administration had set up this program that said, well, certain 103 00:07:22,839 --> 00:07:27,519 racial groups are underrepresented in graduate school, and those are 104 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:32,279 Hispanic and Black and Native American groups, and so we 105 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:35,240 need to set up a program to make up for 106 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:43,199 that misalignment of their underrepresentation by giving special preferences to 107 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:48,519 those groups over students who are Asian and students who 108 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,040 are white. And so we've sued over that program, still pending. 109 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,639 We hope we will settle that program with the Trump administration. 110 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,879 We expect that to happen. But that's just That's an 111 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,600 example of DEI in the world is that the progressives, 112 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:06,319 they see the population of America as thirteen percent black, 113 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:10,399 and they believe that at least thirteen percent of all 114 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,720 benefits in whatever field you're talking about need to go 115 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,800 to Black Americans. So thirteen percent of all scholarships, thirteen 116 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,519 percent of all jobs, thirteen percent of all promotions, thirteen 117 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,040 percent of all government benefits, thirteen percent of scholarships and 118 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,160 higher education that could help kids progress. And so they 119 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,080 don't view people as people. They only view people as 120 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:42,279 members of racial groups, as sort of archetypes. Stand ins 121 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:46,879 that we don't view someone as just a person who 122 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:51,799 has individual interests, aspirations, pros, cons but that they are 123 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,799 basically using stereotypes. To just assume it is written in 124 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,440 our federal laws right now that if you are black, 125 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,759 you are disadvantaged. You are just automatic, you are defined 126 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:09,559 that the wordsocially disadvantaged is defined under federal law as 127 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,480 being a black person. 128 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:11,159 Speaker 1: Wow. 129 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: And that so you're telling me that Malia and Sasha 130 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:21,159 Obama and Oprah Winfree and Lebron James, those people are 131 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:25,559 all disadvantaged under federal law just because of their membership 132 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,320 in a racial group. Now we know that's all not true. 133 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,919 That's just a stereotype, and it's pernicious and it's bigoted. 134 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,679 But that is the basis of modern liberal and progressive 135 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:39,919 DEI values and policymaking. 136 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: It is twisted, it is sick again. It is a 137 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:52,559 far distance from where we were going in America before 138 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:57,200 this really leftist Marxist movement that is so tied into 139 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,279 race identity politics, and that's exactly what it is. It's 140 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,600 interesting to me that you at the Wisconsin Institute for 141 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,399 Law and Liberty have been so busy on this front. 142 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,879 And this is such an explosive, an exploding portion of law. 143 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:20,039 You had to create a center, if you will, to 144 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:25,720 deal with it. You know, you created the Equality under 145 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:29,399 the Law Project, which is dealing with exactly what we're 146 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,480 talking about. When did that begin and how is it 147 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,360 going at this at this point that you. 148 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:41,159 Speaker 2: Know, that began very strongly in April of twenty twenty one, 149 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:48,759 and we filed lawsuits against Biden administration's race based programs, 150 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,240 and I have won in court seven out of the 151 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,080 twelve that we filed. We have five pending. We've represented 152 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,480 clients from all over the country. We have three attorneys 153 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,320 now working on this where we feel like we're punching 154 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,879 way above our weight level because there are many other 155 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,879 firms that have many more attorneys who we're doing. We're 156 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,440 getting a lot, a lot of firmer results and a 157 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,919 lot more robust results, and so we're very happy with 158 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,080 the team we have assembled. 159 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:19,799 Speaker 3: Uh. 160 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: You know, we get calls from people and we represent 161 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,879 all of our clients pro bono. We never charge a cent, 162 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:27,919 and we get calls from all over the country. I 163 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:31,960 got a call just this morning from a small business 164 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,440 in North Carolina that got an email saying that that 165 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,200 there were Hurricane Helene grants being given given out to 166 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,279 small businesses that had had suffered from Hurricane Helene in 167 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:51,039 Western North Carolina. But in this this was this is 168 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,559 a program that's ongoing by a computer company called Lenovo 169 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,399 in conjunction with the Secretary of State of North Carolina. 170 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:05,559 But if it's only available for minorities and women own businesses, 171 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,600 and this is happening today in March sixth, twenty twenty five, 172 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:13,399 this email goes out to people who have just suffered 173 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,840 hurricane damage and are struggling to rebuild, who had been 174 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,360 frankly ignored by the Biden administration and now FEMA in 175 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,960 the Trump administration is going to fix them, but they 176 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,759 are not are fixed up their roads and bridges, but 177 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:27,639 now they're being told, well, the private sector in the 178 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,039 North Carolina they want to help you too, but sorry, 179 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,080 white male businesses, you can't get these grants. And so 180 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,519 it's been story after story. We've helped kindergarten kids who 181 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,960 have been told by their teachers that they have had 182 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:48,360 white privilege. We have been We've helped mothers who couldn't 183 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:54,120 get help for their dyslexic child because the school district 184 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:57,639 said that they wanted to help black and Native American 185 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:02,320 children first with dyslexia before helping white kids. We have 186 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,879 helped a mom who's from Thailand, whose son can't get 187 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,039 a scholarship because he's from Thailand, because the state government 188 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,360 here in Wisconsin does not believe that Thailand is part 189 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:17,840 of Asia. Of all things, that is not a joke. 190 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like it to me. And it sounds like 191 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,519 a product of the Wisconsin school system under Governor Tony 192 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Eavers and as former DPI director as well, the suffering 193 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:35,080 of geography to begin with. But that is astounding to 194 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:38,759 me that you and what I guess is so astounding 195 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,399 to me, Dan, is that you and I know some 196 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:47,200 other fantastic attorneys on this front in the battle for 197 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:52,159 law and liberty, have won some very big decisions here, 198 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,879 some very big court rulings. Yet the left Democrats in 199 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,720 power continue to seem to they seem to continue to 200 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:04,039 double down on all of this. As you noted this 201 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,759 most recently with the private sector and what happened with 202 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:12,960 the hurricanes in North Carolina, South Carolina and elsewhere. Are 203 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 they not getting the message? What gives? 204 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,799 Speaker 2: No, They're they're not They're not getting the message. 205 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: Uh. 206 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: And I think politically speaking, you're seeing this, this this 207 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,279 inner struggle with the Democrats, and you even sought up 208 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:30,240 the state of the Joint addressed to Congress at President 209 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,279 Trump gave is that the Democrats don't quite know what 210 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,399 their identity is anymore, and they some of them have 211 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:39,559 tried to move on, and some of them are stuck 212 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,240 in the past, but they don't. They don't seem to 213 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:42,600 be getting it. And I'll give you an. 214 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:44,639 Speaker 1: I would have paused there for a moment, because I 215 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:48,080 think that is a hilarious statement. In fact, I love 216 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,879 that that Democrats, who have been so immersed in identity 217 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,840 politics don't know who they are anymore. They're having they 218 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:03,519 are having an identity crisis. I'm telling you what. The 219 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,919 time has certainly come, that's for sure. 220 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. They don't get it. And I'll just 221 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,679 give you another example. I mean, these things come to 222 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,799 me every single day. I just got an email from 223 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,240 a school board member here in Wisconsin that got an 224 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:27,600 email today from their principle, from their superintendent that said, yeah, yeah, 225 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:30,679 we know that President Trump has issued this executive order 226 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:34,840 that says public schools are not allowed to do DEI anymore. 227 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:39,399 And we know that President Trump has threatened that if 228 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:41,960 you are a public school district and you keep doing DEI, 229 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,840 which means discriminating against kids based on race. You will 230 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:49,879 lose federal funds. And so this email today, I'll just 231 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,840 read what this email says. It says to ensure that 232 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:57,080 terminology does not become a barrier to our mission of 233 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,639 providing all students with equitable education opportunities, we will be 234 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:06,639 adjusting the language associated with this roles effective Wednesday, March fourth. 235 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:12,320 The titles will change to quote Educational Access Coordinator and 236 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:17,120 Educational Access Coach and the former around. They used to 237 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,720 be called DEI coach and DEI coordinator. They have changed them. 238 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:25,639 This is just one school district in Wisconsin. The University 239 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:30,919 of Wisconsin has changed has changed de I to the 240 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,360 phrase inclusive excellence. That is there, that's what they call it, 241 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:41,600 of excellence, excellent, and black and Hispanic people are are 242 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:47,639 no longer black and Hispanic people. They are called ERSOK. 243 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,399 Do you want to you want to guess Matt, what 244 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:51,559 ERSOK is? 245 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Yet it's another it's another acronym 246 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,080 for something. 247 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Under underrepresented student of color. So they have deleted the 248 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:05,799 words black, and they have deleted the words Hispanic and 249 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:13,119 now on their official spreadsheets for scholarship eligibility. They say, Ersoker, 250 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:14,960 this is all. 251 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: Goddan from from mythological lore. This isn't this isn't no this, 252 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,440 this really is insane because really all they're doing, as 253 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,759 you're clearly stating here, is just changing the names so 254 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,519 that they can get around the policy or the laws. 255 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,119 Are they going to get away with that? 256 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't want to be on the on the 257 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,839 other side of the table from from these people who 258 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,200 Trump is appointed. Pam Bondi as Attorney General is as 259 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,599 serious as a heart attack about this stuff. There is 260 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:57,240 no joke with that. The Trump administration is going to 261 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:02,720 be extremely aggressive, as we've seen from these executive orders 262 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:09,039 in mandating equality and telling recipients of financial funds. Now, 263 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:12,200 this is the legal hook here. So if you take 264 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:16,359 federal money, you must promise that you don't discriminate based 265 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,640 on race. That is not a new law. That is 266 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,160 a law from the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act. 267 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,680 It's called Title six, and so that's always been the law. 268 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,960 That was the law in which Harvard lost its case 269 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,480 on back in twenty twenty three, where they were doing 270 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,240 affirmative action in higher education. So Title six has been 271 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:39,200 around forever. Title six is not new, and President Trump 272 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:45,519 is merely said, hey, private sector, in public sector, case 273 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:51,279 through twelve schools, higher educational opportunity institutions, government agencies at 274 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:54,240 the state level, county level, city level. You know all 275 00:18:54,319 --> 00:18:59,039 that federal money you're getting from us, and you're on 276 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,319 the government dole. If you discriminate based on race, we 277 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,799 will take that money away from you. And that is 278 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:12,640 what's happening. That is a legal mechanism that has existed 279 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,319 since nineteen sixty four and it's not new. And this 280 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,279 is a you know, find out situation here to not 281 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,480 use the vulgar term mess around and find out, because 282 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:35,720 somebody's gonna find out. Amazon receives federal money, Ups receives 283 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:41,599 federal money. The universities around the country all receive federal money, 284 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,160 except for my Alma monor Hillsdale College. They are all 285 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,000 required to be non discriminatory. And the President Trump is 286 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:56,079 rightly explaining to them that DEI is race discrimination and 287 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,319 if we catch you do it, we're gonna take the 288 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,039 money away from you. And the most pool districts, for example, 289 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:03,680 Key through twelve school districts, get about ten and twelve 290 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,359 percent of their budget from the federal government. That's a 291 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,640 big chunk of money that you can lose by playing 292 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,960 games with changing your DEI coordinator to the educational access coordinator. 293 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:19,319 If you want to play that game, fine, If you 294 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,319 want to pretend that maybe they won't catch you, go ahead. 295 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:27,000 But that's like speeding down the highway at ninety five 296 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,039 miles an hour. You can do it at your own risk. 297 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: Our sponsor today addresses a major concern, identity theft. 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If it 317 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:02,519 doesn't meet your expectations, take your personal data back within Cognate. 318 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,680 Use code Federalist at the link below and get sixty 319 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:13,440 percent off an annual plan. Well, they're very good at pretending. 320 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Of course, as we know, the Left has been pretending 321 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,519 for a long time, for instance, that men should be 322 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,240 competing in women's sports and that there's no difference between 323 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,839 a man and a woman. We know their mo but 324 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,559 they You're right, if they want to press this issue, 325 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:38,920 they might find themselves like Al Green being escorted out 326 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,640 of the house shambers with the you know, by the 327 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,640 sergeant at arms. You know. It's just it is mind boggling. 328 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,279 I think to the average American that we are at 329 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:56,240 this place in the history of this country, given where 330 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,799 we have been, given all the things that you talked 331 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:02,359 about in nineteen sixty four civil rights law that was 332 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,039 the law of the land until the left decided to 333 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,160 tear it apart. Eventually, there has to be a tipping 334 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,279 point here, though obviously right, and that has to involve 335 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:20,359 all three branches of government. In my estimation, Congress has 336 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,759 got to do what it refuses to do, go to 337 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:28,440 work the hefty lifting of legislation. The executive branch, I 338 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,599 think is well on its way to doing what it 339 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,319 can do to try to remedy the situation. Then we 340 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,960 get to the courts, and we have so many different 341 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:46,519 interpretations on what should clearly be the clear reading of 342 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:46,920 the law. 343 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,519 Speaker 2: Why yeah, So I think I'll start with the courts. 344 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,400 There have been ninety eight lawsuits filed against the Trump administration. 345 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:01,960 There have been a number of temporary restraint order, which 346 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,960 are just temporary pauses on what the federal government does 347 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:08,799 in order to make sure that the courts have enough 348 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,880 information before they issue a final decision. I'm not too 349 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:18,519 concerned that these decisions have gone in the wrong way. 350 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,319 I think that eventually the US Supreme Court is going 351 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:30,119 to make two very important rulings. One is theyre going 352 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,759 to overrule a case called Humphreys Executor, which they have 353 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,960 signaled that they're going to do. And this is the 354 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,039 decision that prohibited the President from removing the head of 355 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,119 the Federal Trade Commission or one of the members because 356 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,759 Congress had given them a statutory term. If this case 357 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:53,119 is overruled, it means that the president can fire anybody 358 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:59,240 in the executive branch who exercises any policy making the judgment, 359 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,519 which so the president can't fire your local postman because 360 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,400 your local postman is not making policy decisions. But the 361 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,279 president can fire members of the Securities in Exchange Commission, 362 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,839 it can fire the head of the FBI, which he 363 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,079 has done and we've seen that. So the president is 364 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,920 what they call the unitary executive. That it says all 365 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,400 executive power shall be invested in a president, which is 366 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,279 what Article two says of the Constitution, And so I 367 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,440 think you're going to see that that's going to probably 368 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:39,680 be established pretty quickly. Right now. There was a decision 369 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,440 that came down today allowing the president to remove one 370 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,519 of these bureaucratic lawyers who had been holding up some 371 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,039 of the changes at the Merit System Protection Board. But 372 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,279 the other ruling that I think we're going to see 373 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,480 is this ruling on impoundment. So Ever since the founding 374 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:05,240 of the country, from you know, seventeen ninety one through 375 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:11,559 up through up through the nineteen seventies, the president has 376 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,640 had the power not to spend money. 377 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: And that is an important concept that seems to get 378 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,160 lost in the whole battle over what is going on 379 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,440 with Doge, what is going on with a lot of 380 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,400 the temper tantrums coming out of the left the Democratic 381 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,200 Party today. But yes, that should be very clear. Yet 382 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,759 we have all kinds of judges that don't I shouldn't 383 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:44,640 say all kinds, but we have judges in this country 384 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,599 that don't seem to recognize that factor. Understand it, right? Yeah. 385 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: So there was a law passed after the Nixon impeachment 386 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:58,880 or almost impeachment Nixon's resignation, part of the Reforms of 387 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,519 Governments back in the nineteen seventies called the Anti Impoundment Act, 388 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:11,160 which prevented a president from not spending money. That act 389 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,079 has not the US Supreme Court has not directly ruled 390 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,240 on that, and a lot of legal scholars believe that 391 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,559 the Anti Impoundment Act is actually unconstitutional. And so we're 392 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,839 going to have to see a case come up where 393 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,599 the president says, I'm not going to spend this money 394 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,599 and see what the Supreme Court says about it. Does 395 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,839 the president in his the person who has all executive power, 396 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,440 have a right not to spend money. And I think 397 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,480 that is a very very important case. There may be 398 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:46,279 a distinction in the case whenever that case comes out, 399 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,759 between when Congress makes a specific appropriation of money to say, 400 00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,039 for example, we are appropriating two billion dollars for you 401 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,799 to rebuild the Francis Scott Key Bridge, and we are 402 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920 telling you we would like you to do that, and 403 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,759 then the president is supposed to do that because that's 404 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:11,440 a very specific appropriation, rather than hey, President Trump, you 405 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,759 have this slush fund of ten billion dollars, go use 406 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,759 this to make America healthy again, and which would be 407 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,920 a more general grant of appropriation. And perhaps the president says, 408 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,000 I'll spend some of that now, some of it later, 409 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,920 some of them maybe I won't spend. That's sort of 410 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,839 the traditional use of impoundment, and so there may be 411 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,119 a distinction into how the president can refuse to spend 412 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,519 money and under what constraints and what the law actually 413 00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,400 has to say, but that will be another issue. So 414 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,200 those are the two big legal issues that are coming 415 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,519 out of all these cases right now. Does the president 416 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,599 have the power to fire anybody he wants within the 417 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,640 executive branch that has policymaking authority? And two, does the 418 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,119 president have the ability not to spend money? Which is 419 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,720 I think if you are if you are in a 420 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:08,200 time machine from the eighteenth century and you come back 421 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,519 and you say, wait a minute, you're worried that your 422 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:17,039 president is not exercising power that you've given him, that's 423 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:22,279 your big problem. He doesn't want programs in laws to 424 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,880 be in effect. He's just refusing to exercise his authority 425 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,599 and spend money. You guys should be happy, that's your 426 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,000 biggest problem, because we just had a king. 427 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,839 Speaker 1: If that was not great, Yes, I think if you've 428 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,920 got a time machine with our founders and some of 429 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,640 these folks from the nineteenth century, they would have popped 430 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,640 into Congress, into the house the other night and said, 431 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:53,400 what is going on here? What is this all about? 432 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,240 And I think they'd say that with a lot of things. 433 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,400 Our guest today is Daniel Lennington, the Deputy Council at 434 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,759 the Wisconsin Institute for Law in Liberty, Milwaukee based conservative 435 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:07,160 law firm has won some impressive victories for liberty, particularly 436 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,200 and taking on the destructive DEI movement. Just back to 437 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:18,039 the anti impoundment laws in the idea that was established 438 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,359 long long ago, as you said at the inception of 439 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,880 this Republic, that it is up to the discretion of 440 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,559 the executive to say, we don't need to spend this money, 441 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,680 so we don't. That's really why it is in place. 442 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:36,319 That is the battle that is going on right now. 443 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,599 But Dan, when you look at what the Biden administration 444 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:45,039 did with congressional funding, one could argue that the Biden 445 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:49,319 administration didn't spend the money and certainly didn't spend the 446 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,599 money as it was intended by Congress to say, I 447 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,440 don't know, secure the border, not allow an invasion at 448 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,079 our southern border of millions upon millions of illegal immigrants. 449 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:05,039 And that's just one area that we can certainly debate 450 00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:05,799 this issue on. 451 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I mean, that was Obama was big, 452 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,359 you know, his what he used to call it prosecutorial discretion, 453 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,880 and he would do something called the Deferred Action for 454 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:26,079 Childhood arrivals Dhaka or Dappa. There's two versions of them then, 455 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,519 and he those were ultimately mostly upheld by the court saying, hey, 456 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:36,079 the president can choose the ways in which he executes 457 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,079 the law, and he has a wide amount of discretion. 458 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,960 Of course, that was good for the Democrats, and it 459 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,799 was good when you know President Biden decided to cancel 460 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,640 a bunch of student loan debt without any without any 461 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 congressional authority, and then getting smacked down by the Supreme 462 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,039 Court and said he's going to do it again anyway. 463 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:59,519 So you know, the lawless president I'm in the last 464 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:05,720 twenty five years. I'm more concerned about the Democrats being lawless. So, yeah, 465 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:09,319 there is the idea of prosecutorial discretion, idea of empowerment, 466 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,079 but we're going to have to see So another legal 467 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,079 principle that I think is really important, and we've highlighted 468 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:20,000 this to the Trump administration. We've written a report called 469 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,480 the Roadmap to Equality, which identifies seventy nine different executive 470 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,559 actions that we think the president should take to prohibit 471 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,880 his administration from discriminating against individuals based on race. And 472 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,400 what it comes down to is that there are dozens 473 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,039 and dozens of federal laws that required the eleven cabinet 474 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,119 agencies to stand up programs and to execute programs that 475 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,000 discriminate based on race. And we're telling the President that 476 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,640 he should exercise his power not to run those programs 477 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,880 because the president has taken an oath of office to 478 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,079 uphold the Constitution and he has a constitutional duty to 479 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,920 take care that the laws are faithfully executed. And for 480 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,480 the past dozens and dozens of years, both Republican and 481 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,160 Democrat presidents alike have both agreed, through their lawyers, their 482 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,799 attorney generals, their office of Legal Counsel, have agreed that 483 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,119 they have a duty not to enforce laws that are unconstitutional. 484 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,480 And prior presidents have done this many many times. And 485 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,440 so there are these laws on the books that discriminate 486 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,240 based on race, and we're asking the President and the 487 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,640 executive branch not to enforce them. Let me give you 488 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,119 one example. This is an easy example to understand. The 489 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:50,279 US Department of Agriculture provides insurance to dairy farmers. This 490 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:55,000 is called the Dairy Margin Coverage Program. This program, if 491 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,319 you want to be a part of the program and 492 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,960 get the insurance from the USDA, you have to pay 493 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,160 one hundred dollars fee under the US Code. If you're black, 494 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,440 you don't have to pay the fee. And so the 495 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,000 president not enforced that law that discriminates based on race. 496 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,639 There's another agricultural. 497 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,119 Speaker 1: Wait, hold on it is it black or your sock? 498 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:24,079 Speaker 2: Well, actually socially disadvantaged individuals, which is defined as black, Hispanic, 499 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,719 Native American, Okay Asian farmers. 500 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,039 Speaker 1: Because I know this term your sock is really it 501 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,920 really is hot. You know, I hadn't heard it since 502 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920 I believe wasn't he a character on Perfect Strangers that 503 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,719 hit TV sitcom back in the nineteen eighties. No, in 504 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360 all seriousness, that's that they're parsing the language. You say 505 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440 that it's in the code, but really, at the end 506 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,480 of the day, it's about discrimination, isn't it. Yeah, it is. 507 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: And these programs are all over the place. There are 508 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:59,960 grant programs for farmers that want to sell their goods 509 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,199 farmers markets. And if you're not on an approved list 510 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,039 of racial categories, you don't get that set aside. And 511 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:09,960 so Brooke Rollins is the head of USDA right now, 512 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:17,119 and Brooke Security Rounds should refuse to enforce that racially 513 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:22,400 discriminatory program. There are all sorts of are There is 514 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,840 a program from the Energy Department which offers rebates to 515 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,840 people who install new air conditioning their heating systems in 516 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,440 their house. You get cash rebates from the Department of Energy. 517 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,000 If you live in a disadvantaged community, you get two 518 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:42,840 hundred dollars more. And the disadvantaged community is labeled as 519 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:47,079 defined as minority community. There are all sorts of there's 520 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,119 dozens and dozens of these programs that are in the 521 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,440 US Code. And as far as the Executive Branch is authority, 522 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,559 the executive branch can decide not to enforce these discriminatory laws, 523 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,760 and that is a power of the executive bridge. Now, 524 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,920 of course the president could abuse this power. But with 525 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,119 with with these issues of explicit race discrimination against American citizens, 526 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,880 we think this is a really easy case and the 527 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,280 President should should do this. But this is not let 528 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:26,800 Congress off the hook. And that is where our biggest 529 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,039 beef is with with Congress, because they ought to be 530 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,400 passing laws and doing their job. They ought to be 531 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,960 going into the US Code. And we went to Washington, 532 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,119 DC a couple of weeks ago, that was several members 533 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:43,800 of Congress and said when you when you pass these laws, 534 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,239 you have to repeal all these discriminatory programs that that 535 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,239 President Biden in the Democrat Congress put on the books 536 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,239 under the Inflation Reduction Act. Remember that, Cherry. You remember 537 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,719 the instructure your Act, the by quote Bipartisan Infrastructure Act. 538 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,079 Remember the American Rescue Play an Act where America Americans 539 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:13,079 got rescued, We got rescued, and we got really from inflation. 540 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,159 With all these acts, you know, he spent five or 541 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,880 six trillion dollars. And when he spent all this money, 542 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,800 he inserted all of these racial preferences, these DEI programs 543 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,800 into the code. And so like, if we're going to 544 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,920 do you know these, you know, good luck to Congress. 545 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,000 They're going to pass the big beautiful bill, right, why 546 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:38,440 don't you just revoke all these and and you know 547 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,679 I've been hearing from you know, from the Thomas Massey, 548 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,639 the one representative who voted against the the the Reconciliation Resolution, 549 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,320 He said, why are we why are you guys complaining 550 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,360 about US A I D. Because you're going to have 551 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,800 a continuing resolution come up here in a couple of 552 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,320 weeks and you're just gonna fund you U S A 553 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,800 I d again, because that's what that's what a continuing 554 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,679 resolution does. 555 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, So you got to. 556 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 2: Get serious, like are you going to be a lawmaker 557 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,719 or not? And so, I mean a lot of these 558 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,679 problems we have that end up in the courts and 559 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,760 complaints about the executive branch or this or that all 560 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,840 stem from the fact that Congress actually doesn't like to 561 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,719 take the time to write laws because it's. 562 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: Hard to do work or to do its job. That's 563 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:33,480 what it is. They have jobs that they have to do, 564 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,920 and they simply have abdicated their authority. And we've seen 565 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,760 this up and down the line. This is what the 566 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,039 Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty has been fighting against 567 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:47,119 for a long time. It's, you know, basically bureaucratic decisions, 568 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,320 unelected bureaucratic decisions. And they it's not that the bureaucrats 569 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,079 in all of these cases certainly are breaking the law, 570 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,320 because again, Congress abdicated its authority, its responsibility and asked 571 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,199 it along to the unelected bureaucrat to say, well, this 572 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,880 is what we're going to do. You gave us this money, 573 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,360 you gave us this charge, you gave us this responsibility 574 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,880 and this power we're going to use that. Don't be 575 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:22,000 surprised when people in positions of moderate authority are given authority, 576 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,559 enhanced authority, and power. Don't be surprised when they use it. 577 00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,760 And no, I don't feel rescued, but I'm curious. This 578 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,960 is a thought that keeps running through my mind with 579 00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,760 these kinds of programs the Biden administration and others have 580 00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:44,480 infused into these you know, these mega, massive trillion dollar programs, 581 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,039 these discriminatory policies, and that is is this an end 582 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:54,079 around to the left's push for reparations in America without 583 00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:55,199 congressional approval. 584 00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:01,079 Speaker 2: Well, I mean some people believe we've been on a 585 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:06,280 a program of reparations since nineteen sixty four, since the 586 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:15,920 Great Society. There has been significant transfer of tax dollars 587 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:24,159 into communities, primarily because the politicians believe that those racial 588 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:30,159 communities would be better off if there were checks set 589 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,440 to them, or benefit programs set to those neighborhoods or 590 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,280 those inner cities, and that we can make up for 591 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,599 all this horrible history of discrimination that we have in 592 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:47,719 this country by getting out our checkbook. And there have 593 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,440 been trillions and trillions spent on social welfare programs that 594 00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:01,320 were and many times targeted directly at minority communities. These 595 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,079 communities today aren't much better than they were before. And 596 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:11,880 so we've just gotten a report that, for example, Milwaukee 597 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:18,360 Public Schools is the worst public school system in the country. 598 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,199 And you ask yourself that this city has been run 599 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,800 by Democrats for decades, and it has received tens and 600 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,960 hundreds of billions of dollars in handouts and payments from 601 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,599 the federal government and the state government. If the answer 602 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,599 is that all we need to do to solve poverty 603 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:46,840 and homelessness and poor educational outcomes is just to spend money, 604 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,440 then that is completely belied by the facts. It's almost 605 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:55,880 inverse correlation that the more money we're spending on kids, 606 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,320 the worst the educational outcomes are. Milwaukee Public Schools, a 607 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,159 majority minority school district worse in the country, spends over 608 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,079 twenty thousand dollars per year per child. All right, That 609 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:19,000 is more than the cost of tuition for a room 610 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:23,159 and tuition room and board for almost every campus of 611 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,599 the University of Wisconsin, except for the one of Madison, 612 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,400 which is ridiculously expensive thirty one thousand a year. So 613 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,920 we're spending more we're spending more per child K through 614 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480 twelve in Milwaukee than we are than it costs to 615 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,079 educate a kid in college and pay for the room 616 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,880 and board. Is it just tells in that every year 617 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,440 the outcomes get worse. Tells me that this idea that maybe, 618 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,320 this idea of reparations, this idea that hey, we're going 619 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,559 to make up for past discrimination by paying certain racial 620 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:03,199 groups money, is not necessarily for their own good. Maybe 621 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,000 there's some political reason why this has been going on. 622 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,400 Maybe one party has decided that we will pump money 623 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,239 into these certain racial communities and in exchange, those communities 624 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,199 will vote for us, and we really don't care. And 625 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,840 in fact, maybe if it gets worse, an excuse to 626 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:29,519 keep spending more money. Maybe that is a crazy conspiracy theory. 627 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: Are you that politically jaded to believe that there's a 628 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,000 party in this country that has spent the last sixty 629 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:43,280 plus years buying votes through taxpayer contributions. I can't believe it. 630 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,400 Of course. 631 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 2: It's kind of like how they keep spending more money 632 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,000 in California on homelessness, and the more money they spend, 633 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,199 the more homeless people there. 634 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: Are, and the more expensive of housing gets pricing the 635 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,880 homeless out. But it's just absolute insanity, and I think 636 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,840 we saw in November of twenty twenty four is finally 637 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239 a reality check on that. So that raises the question 638 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,880 for you, as a hardworking attorney in all of this 639 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,039 and your organization, the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, 640 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,000 what's next? I mean you talk about this can't simply 641 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,119 obviously can't be done simply at the executive level. This 642 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,599 needs to be codified in law. What's next for the 643 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:30,960 Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty in this battle against DEI, 644 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,360 wasteful spending and all of the things that we discussed 645 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,880 that are just abuses of the constitution. 646 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 2: Well, there is a lot of cleanup work to do. 647 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,239 We are, as I said, we're lobbing Congress to change 648 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,360 the law to get rid of these laws. We are 649 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,920 lobbing the executive branch to have them shut down these programs. 650 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,800 We have cases that we have filed that we are 651 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440 asking the federal government to settle with us so that 652 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,320 these we can get court orders preventing these discriminatory programs 653 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:10,559 from going on forward. We are targeting non federal actors 654 00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:16,480 right now. We are going after states that run minority 655 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,480 supplier programs. We just filed last week complaints against the 656 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,679 State of New York in the state of Wisconsin for 657 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,280 their multi billion dollar programs which hand out contracts and 658 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,280 procurement orders to companies based on the race of their owner. 659 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,679 There's a lot of racism at the government spending level 660 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,360 at the state level. We are continuing to root out 661 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,400 DEI at the university levels and investigating several universities and 662 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,079 targeting them with complaints when they are discriminating as students. 663 00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,159 We are very active, and I've always been active in 664 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,440 K through twelve and represent a number of parents who 665 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:02,119 have faced race discrimination in DEI that has victimized their children. 666 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,239 And also we have been going after private companies. One 667 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:14,360 of the most scary areas we've seen DEI crop up 668 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,159 very quickly has been in healthcare, and we have been 669 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:24,920 finding health hospitals that have been treating patients differently based 670 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:31,400 on their race because of the systemic racism against African Americans, 671 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,800 and so African Americans need to be put at the 672 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,360 front of the line, not based on symptoms, not based 673 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,880 on any medical or scientific reason, but just that we 674 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,280 need to make up for past discrimination. We need to 675 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,280 put African Americans at the front of the line, and 676 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,239 somehow in the cosmic justice of that is going to 677 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,960 cure everything. And so when grandma and Grandpa go to 678 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,800 the hospital, there is a chance that they are going 679 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,880 to be evaluated first and foremost with the question of 680 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,320 what is your race rather than what are your symptoms, 681 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,880 which is what we would hope a hospital would do. 682 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,159 So we are very actively looking at what we call 683 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,679 health equity and rooting that out too. So there is 684 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,239 a lot of work to be done. You know, Trump 685 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960 and his appointees are doing some great work. We have 686 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,119 we have work to do at Congress. We have some 687 00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,920 gentle nudging we need to do with the executive branch 688 00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,280 and those agencies. But the hard work is still going 689 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,239 to be at state, city, county level and with private 690 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,880 companies including hospitals. 691 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 3: Elon Musk and Doge need help. The watch Dout on 692 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,079 Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day, Chris helps 693 00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:58,760 unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how 694 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,280 it affects your wallet. Coage is only highlighting the spending problems, 695 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,800 but Congress controls the purse strings. Congress needs to follow 696 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,280 through and step up to control this spending or we'll 697 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,599 be back where we started. Whether it's happening in DC 698 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,800 or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 699 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: Be informed. 700 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,559 Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with christ 701 00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:19,639 Marcowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 702 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. It's the stuff that you 703 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,719 mentioned that some of these cases that you've talked about 704 00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,239 are some of the most egregious and appalling examples of 705 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,079 what we've fought so hard in this country against for 706 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,559 so long. It's just it's amazing to me and to 707 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,719 think that, you know, there was a time in this 708 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,159 country where there were race preferences that were wrong thought 709 00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:50,719 against those we worked on the battlegrounds. It's not a 710 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,119 perfect system by any means. But now to use discrimination, 711 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,480 which is the anti racism critical race theory idea here, 712 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,840 to use racism as a justification as a way to 713 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,039 correct previous examples of racism, that's just so inherently wrong 714 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,039 and evil. It's hard to wrap your mind around. I 715 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,760 will say, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, that's. 716 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 2: Right, and it just you know, the way to think 717 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:29,280 about this is people should be treated as individuals. People 718 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,679 who need help should get help. We should never say 719 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,199 groups need help. Groups don't need help, groups don't need 720 00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:45,119 people need help. Individuals need help. How come the medicaid 721 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,960 system is permitted to actually evaluate people as individuals and 722 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320 to decide is their income level at a certain level, 723 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,840 do they have a hardship where they need Medicaid? And 724 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280 we're allowed to figure that out, and we do figure 725 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,480 that out. We do figure out who needs medicaid and 726 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,760 we give them medicaid. But the minute you go to 727 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,800 the universities, they say, well, we can't really figure out 728 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,920 who needs to be admitted to the school. So we're 729 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,679 just going to say all the people of that color, 730 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,519 like we can't even we can't even treat them as 731 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:19,360 individuals and look at their application and say does this 732 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000 person need a scholarship? We just have to say, ah, 733 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,199 they're a member of a group. Therefore they must need help, 734 00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:29,360 they must be poor and disadvantage people. So you government 735 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:35,199 agencies are able to evaluate people to decide whether they 736 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,079 need help and are able to give that individual help 737 00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:44,239 in that circumstance. And when you just use DEI or 738 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,000 affirm an action, you're just literally throwing up your hands, 739 00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,840 and you're saying, well, everybody in that group must be disadvantaged, 740 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,760 must be poor, must be desperate. So I'm just going 741 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,199 to help everybody in that group no matter what. That 742 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,159 is a ham fisted way of doing it, not to 743 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,039 mention a bigoted way, in a stereotypical way of doing it. 744 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,960 So just treat people as individuals is really the only 745 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,519 thing that people need to remember. And people should not 746 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,639 be afraid anymore of talking about race. I mean, I've 747 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,119 been talking about race for four years, and you know 748 00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,159 it is hard to talk about race, and people get 749 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,840 nervous about it. But when you focus on your principles, 750 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,159 and your principles are just equal treatment for people, all 751 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,559 these complicated arguments about DEI and systemic racism and affirmative action, 752 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,039 they'll sound silly and they all sound very easy to 753 00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,760 argue against. Once you just think that, you know, we 754 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,960 should help people who need help, that's really the end 755 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,519 of the story. 756 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,599 Speaker 1: Well, it's refreshing to see in November that a majority 757 00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,800 of Americans agree with that common sense ideas basic principles 758 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,960 right there. I will say for full disclosure that you know, 759 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,119 I'm not just interested in the legal activities of course 760 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,519 and to Wisconsin Institute Law and Liberty as accomplished over 761 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:08,159 the years. I've certainly covered this organization for many years 762 00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:11,039 in the work they've done in Wisconsin and elsewhere. But 763 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,000 I'm also a client. It's kind of like the hair comfort. 764 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,719 It's a little size spurling action right there. You're absolutely right. Yeah, 765 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,599 you know so. I used to say, I'm not just 766 00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,199 the president, I'm also a client. Well I'm not. I 767 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:30,480 have no connection in terms of ownership or involvement with 768 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,719 the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, but they have 769 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,400 taken me on as a client for a couple of 770 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,800 times as a journalist, particularly of late. I am a 771 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,719 client in I think a very important lawsuit against the FBI, 772 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,480 the Department of Justice, the Biden originally the Biden Department 773 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,840 of Justice, and it involves the trans killer. If you 774 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,760 recall back in Nashville in twenty twenty three, almost now 775 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,639 two years ago, and we have local law enforcement in 776 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:03,480 the FBI sitting on that trans killer's manifesto, the person 777 00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:09,079 that stormed into a Christian school and killed in cold 778 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:13,920 blood three third graders and three staff members of that school. 779 00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:19,440 We still as a public have not gotten the full story, 780 00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:24,719 and that to me is, you know, that's an administrative 781 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,360 crime that's going on, and we have to understand why. Well, 782 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,880 the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty has represented yours truly, 783 00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:36,159 and also the CEO of the news organization that has 784 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,159 been really covering that story from the beginning, that's the 785 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:42,320 Star News Network, and I just want to say thanks 786 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,039 for the good work. We're still hoping now that this 787 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,559 new administration will see the light on what the foil 788 00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,199 laws truly entail. 789 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, the defendant in the case now is Cash Pttel, 790 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,719 and he publicly has said that the manifesto should be released. 791 00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,719 It's my understanding that the papers and the entire manifesto 792 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,920 might be upwards of nine hundred pages. We've sort of 793 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,440 seen leaks of part of it. But I have worked 794 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,760 in the area of school safety for Attorney General Brad 795 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,079 Schimmel in Wisconsin. I worked for many years in the 796 00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,320 area of school safety and law enforcement officers when they 797 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,840 want to develop new policies to protect schools, they always 798 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,840 want to know what was the motivation of the shooter? Yes, 799 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,880 why did they want to do this? And what were 800 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,079 the tactics and all sorts of things like that, and 801 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:41,440 it's important to know why killers kill. And we have 802 00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,679 manifestos from all sorts of killers in the US history, 803 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:51,239 and the FBI was very quick to release manifestos of killers, 804 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,760 but the minute the killer is a transgender person, they 805 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,960 clam up and they don't want to release it. And 806 00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,719 we found the lawsuit to get a copy of the 807 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:05,800 man festo, and hopefully we have asked Cash Betel a 808 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,880 couple of weeks a week ago, we've asked him to 809 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,880 settle the lawsuit with us, to give us the records 810 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,840 so that we could drop the lawsuit. And we have 811 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,920 not heard back, and it's been a little frustrating of 812 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,880 the delay. And I understand Cash has got a lot 813 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,920 of things going on, especially with the Southern District of 814 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,119 New York apparently hiding thousands of pages of the Epstein file, 815 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,000 so he is a busy guy. But but we would 816 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,719 like to settle this case and get these records. And 817 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,880 you know, I've heard there's maybe some news to break 818 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,039 on this. It's not my news to break, but hopefully 819 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,360 we will hear what the FBI was actually doing with 820 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,639 these records, which I think will be quite shocking when 821 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,159 we hear the entire story, but that'll be something off 822 00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:49,920 to stay tuned too. 823 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: Well. You know better than anybody there's always a story 824 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,519 behind the story, and we'll continue to cover it here 825 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,760 at the Federalist. And I know that you will continue 826 00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,280 to advocate for the release of those records, and obviously 827 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,320 you'll continue to fight the good fight on the front 828 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:12,039 for ensuring equality, not this nonsense equity movement that is 829 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,639 going on in America that is so harmful and so divisive, 830 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,400 and well again, I think Americans, most Americans, have had 831 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,559 it up to here with all of that, and the 832 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:26,599 good work continues. Our guest today, I'm so glad to 833 00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,280 have him on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 834 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,039 Daniel Lennington, Deputy Council at the Wisconsin Institute for Law 835 00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,760 and Liberty, otherwise known as WILL. You've been listening to 836 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,519 another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 837 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:44,519 Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon 838 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,880 with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious 839 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,519 for the fray. 840 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:03,280 Speaker 2: Hearn a fameboys the reason and then they faded away