Speaker 1: You see something is going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: That's how I help you.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another institute for the Natal Philosophy talks.
Speaker 2: Today I am with Nick, better known as the voice
Speaker 2: behind the Occult Rejects. So, first of all, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for accepting my invitation. I was honored many
Speaker 2: times to be on your show, and I didn't had
Speaker 2: returned the courtesy, but even if not, I would be
Speaker 2: very interested in talking to you either way. So I
Speaker 2: think for those that don't know you the best, the
Speaker 2: first thing to ask you is what led you to
Speaker 2: create the Occult Rejects and how has been your experience.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, thank you very much for asking me.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to have you on sure and
Speaker 1: we learn a lot from you and I really appreciate
Speaker 1: what you do.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What started me to have the Occult Rejects, I guess
Speaker 1: long story short is that at some point I did
Speaker 1: join a secret society. I was interested in magic and
Speaker 1: the occult and I wanted to learn about it, so
Speaker 1: I eventually joined the OTO, the Auto Temple Orientus. I
Speaker 1: lasted about five or six years and started to think
Speaker 1: that it wasn't necessarily what everybody thinks magic is, and
Speaker 1: I just felt that it was It wasn't a place
Speaker 1: for me, and it gave an image that was a
Speaker 1: complete opposite of what I was working towards. So for me,
Speaker 1: I just thought there was something wrong with that image,
Speaker 1: and I left, and I wanted to start a podcast
Speaker 1: on like, I guess my experience with magic and secret
Speaker 1: societies and maybe how not everything is as it seems,
Speaker 1: and I do think the occult is in our faces
Speaker 1: much more than most people would realize. So I started
Speaker 1: a show by my called The NY Patriots Show, where
Speaker 1: I just kind of covered my experience in the OTO
Speaker 1: and somebody, a fan, had listened to the episode and
Speaker 1: had hit me up and told me their story that
Speaker 1: they were in the Golden Dorn at one point and
Speaker 1: they had left, and I had the guest on and
Speaker 1: they told their story, and me and him ended up
Speaker 1: saying like, why don't we start another show together, and
Speaker 1: we started The Occult Rejects and that lasted about a
Speaker 1: year and a half, and then eventually he had left
Speaker 1: and moved on, and then I brought on other people
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to show to stop and it's
Speaker 1: grown to about, you know, average, probably about ten people
Speaker 1: that I rotate throughout the show. But yeah, long story short, that's.
Speaker 2: Where the name comes from, Occult Rejects because you rejected.
Speaker 1: The Secret Society. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly,
Speaker 1: And I will I will give credit to Lux. He
Speaker 1: was the one who did come up with the name,
Speaker 1: and I loved it. So I was like, listen, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to stress coming up with a podcast name.
Speaker 1: And he was like, what about the Occult Rejects, like
Speaker 1: right away? And I was like, you know what, it
Speaker 1: sounds great. I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: stress myself over coming up with the name. We'll just
Speaker 1: go with that one, my man.
Speaker 2: Sure. And now that you have that inside experience, do
Speaker 2: you talk to all of these people in that area?
Speaker 2: How would you describe how it is included in our
Speaker 2: society and yet not seen by most people?
Speaker 1: Uh? I mean, it's stuff, just real. I mean I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people tend to think that, like
Speaker 1: these secret societies really aren't you Neither they don't exist
Speaker 1: or they're not that. I don't know how to explain it,
Speaker 1: but I will say it is very from my experience,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to find these places as long as
Speaker 1: you're actually googling the name and trying to look for it.
Speaker 1: They do exist, and there are probably a lot more
Speaker 1: out there that most people think. My opinion most of
Speaker 1: these secret societies is due to my experience in the Oto.
Speaker 1: I do think that a lot of them may actually
Speaker 1: have some sort of agenda too, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to make it sound spiratorial or negative,
Speaker 1: but I do think a lot of them at some
Speaker 1: point as you're going up, it's not so much about like, oh,
Speaker 1: it is a little bit about what you know, but
Speaker 1: I think it starts going into like what you're into,
Speaker 1: and maybe a there might be a mission somewhere, something
Speaker 1: that they're trying to achieve. Like I do think the
Speaker 1: Oto has something that they're trying to achieve. You know,
Speaker 1: there is a game, there is an endgame for, or
Speaker 1: there's something that there's a reason for their existence besides
Speaker 1: you know, just having people there. I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to do something.
Speaker 2: And is that something that you can elaborate or you prefer,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I my opinion, there's a book out there called The
Speaker 1: Secret Rituals of the OTO. It's on a PDF. You
Speaker 1: can find it on a PDF form. And from my
Speaker 1: experience from the initiations I have done, what I the
Speaker 1: initiations that are in there that I've done were accurate.
Speaker 1: So from looking at that book and looking at initiations
Speaker 1: higher up and from what I've been told in the OTO,
Speaker 1: one of the initiations does talk about trying to put
Speaker 1: a demon into the homo oculous before the ego returns.
Speaker 1: So my opinion, I think they're actually trying to stick
Speaker 1: something in somebody's brain why their soul slipped out having
Speaker 1: a magical experience. And I don't find that that's a
Speaker 1: little weird.
Speaker 2: And that's voluntary or they you know.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is is that even with the OTO,
Speaker 1: when I had taken the second degree initiation, after the initiation,
Speaker 1: they will go over things that are needed for you
Speaker 1: to keep moving up in other degrees or things that
Speaker 1: you could take also as service. And they had mentioned
Speaker 1: at first off, after the fourth degree you cannot ask
Speaker 1: to go any higher. They have to ask you. But
Speaker 1: it was the seventh or eighth degree where they said
Speaker 1: that you will actually sign overall your property to the OTO.
Speaker 2: So will now not in your property to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, oh, this is a cult now.
Speaker 2: So it's like they know what they call scientology, the
Speaker 2: right of the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had somebody on the show who is also in
Speaker 1: the OTO long time, you know guys in og He
Speaker 1: had went up pretty high and he had said that
Speaker 1: once you make it to the tenth degree, that everything
Speaker 1: that everybody in the seventh or eighth disperses and gives
Speaker 1: becomes yours now. So like if they don't move up
Speaker 1: and they stay in that degree, the people hire at
Speaker 1: the tenth actually own their stuff. Now, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is getting weird now. That's I was like, so is
Speaker 1: this a pyramid scheme? That's exactly what I thought. But
Speaker 1: between that and like I've seen, there's even people and
Speaker 1: other degrees. You know, from what I've seen and from
Speaker 1: what I've been told, you may even have to Like
Speaker 1: I've seen people with crosses carved into their chest supposedly
Speaker 1: are burnt into their chest. Supposedly that is a fifth
Speaker 1: degree initiation for the females. And that's a little crazy.
Speaker 2: Females.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And there was a couple of women there
Speaker 1: that I did see, uh, did have that on them.
Speaker 2: So that's really weird stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Rosicrucion cross on their chest and that
Speaker 1: even that's another thing that even makes me think that
Speaker 1: it's actually a Rosicrucian order. I do think the OTO
Speaker 1: is actually a Rosicrucian order, and it's just not blatantly advertised.
Speaker 2: But do you think it's a corrupt I.
Speaker 1: Think at this point. I think at this point now unfortunately,
Speaker 1: even if there was anything pure and you know, good
Speaker 1: behind it, I think it's been corrupted and taken over.
Speaker 1: I mean the to Hooty Lodge, which was the lodge
Speaker 1: that I went to in Queens, they knew for a
Speaker 1: fact at one point the FBI was there. They ended
Speaker 1: up finding out that the FBI was checking out the place.
Speaker 1: Who's to say they left if they did their job right,
Speaker 1: If they did their job right, did you think they
Speaker 1: left exactly? Now? The CIA is probably in.
Speaker 2: That CIA is running the Yeah, Honestly.
Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder, man, I really did wonder. Well.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if they are behind the creation
Speaker 2: of some of those kinds of movements. So this is
Speaker 2: all a great social experiment, so it always has been.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Well, plus I also think the CIA is
Speaker 1: it would be interested in actual real occultists and magicians.
Speaker 1: I do think they would actually be interested in people
Speaker 1: like that, so it may be worth them to even
Speaker 1: have these orders to find people like that. You know,
Speaker 1: they always seem to be using I mean, they used
Speaker 1: Alice the Crowley, you know what I'm saying. He was
Speaker 1: he was. I say, you know, they love using magicians
Speaker 1: as as secret agents.
Speaker 2: It seems like, well, we know that they tried to
Speaker 2: use remote viewing and that kind of stuff in the
Speaker 2: sixties seventies. I don't know if they continued through the
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties. But forgive me, but are you all right? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a big but but I don't doubt it
Speaker 2: that they do it. But now that you have been
Speaker 2: inside that world, did you notice any difference being a
Speaker 2: citizen in the streets? Did you start seeing things that
Speaker 2: you didn't see before? Although they are in right in
Speaker 2: front of us, but we don't see it because we
Speaker 2: don't recognize what they are telling, like we are here
Speaker 2: or this is.
Speaker 1: Our or that happened to me when I had stopped,
Speaker 1: I like seriously stopped going to the place. And that
Speaker 1: was another thing too, like when I was. I was
Speaker 1: being into conspiracy theories, which is what kind of led
Speaker 1: me into getting into the occult and then interested in
Speaker 1: figuring it out. I had stopped like listening to all
Speaker 1: that conspiracy stuff, and when I was in the OTO
Speaker 1: is if I listened to podcasts, really watched anything on YouTube,
Speaker 1: it was always a cult related or magic related. So
Speaker 1: I was kind of out of the conspiracy theory world.
Speaker 1: But like when I left the OTO and started going
Speaker 1: back to like unfortunately paying attention to politics and just
Speaker 1: stuff on the internet, I was like, yo, I was like,
Speaker 1: the symbolisms all over the place. I was like, where
Speaker 1: have I been. I was like the stuff coming out
Speaker 1: of the mounths that the hand signs they make, the
Speaker 1: g justice they make, some of the color schemes. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's like so blaint. Especially the twenty twenty election. I
Speaker 1: think that was just like ridiculously occult. And I was
Speaker 1: just like blaring to me, and I was like, there's
Speaker 1: another reason why we started the show, because I was like,
Speaker 1: it's quite obvious this stuff is in our face now
Speaker 1: to me, and I didn't I didn't even notice it
Speaker 1: six years ago myself. I was like, it's pretty blatant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the logos of corporations. It's it's a
Speaker 2: street symbolism. It's like wearing those glasses of the film
Speaker 2: that they live. I think that's the name of the film.
Speaker 2: So it's quite the extreme, and I believe that that's
Speaker 2: actually why so many people that become to start to
Speaker 2: become aware of this for the blue pill, because they
Speaker 2: prefer the uncomplicated version of things because it works, and
Speaker 2: so it works. Let's let's not try to see where
Speaker 2: are the strings and where are the puppeteers, and because
Speaker 2: that would eradicate the dream of being a life of living,
Speaker 2: a life of being in control of their lives, which
Speaker 2: actually it's it's much more complicated than that. What you
Speaker 2: would you describe to be in your progress in the podcast?
Speaker 2: What would you be described to be your most shocking
Speaker 2: experience in podcasting?
Speaker 1: My most shocking experience of podcasting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a guest that come to you and told you
Speaker 2: a story that you are not ready for.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know that that actually happened not too
Speaker 1: long ago. Well, I mean I will have to say it,
Speaker 1: and not because I'm on your show, but I mean
Speaker 1: there's been some stuff that you've actually brought on the
Speaker 1: show already. That's blowing my mind and pretty impressive. But
Speaker 1: I did have I did have had guests on one time.
Speaker 1: Carl Abrahamson. He he was an ex OTO member, he
Speaker 1: was a tenth degree. He wrote a book on me.
Speaker 1: He had met Kenneth Anger, who was the the Typhony
Speaker 1: in Order. He had met Anton Levey, and he had
Speaker 1: met Genesis p Orridge. And these are all major occultists.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Anton LaVey is in the Church of Satan, so he
Speaker 1: had a book like of his experience meeting all these people.
Speaker 1: And Genesis p Orridge is like part of like the
Speaker 1: Process Church. I mean, guy's like basically one of the
Speaker 1: people running. And he was on the show and now
Speaker 1: we were interviewing him for the book. I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to come at him as a conspiracy theorist, agrillam. I
Speaker 1: was just really interested. I want to hear what this
Speaker 1: guy's story is. You met these people that everybody talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, And he was just I guess because he
Speaker 1: was relaxed, and he wasn't you know, wasn't coming at him.
Speaker 1: He just got a little bit open and he started
Speaker 1: going on about how him and Genesis p Orge, with
Speaker 1: ritual and surgery, are actually trying to create non binary people.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, you just said what, Like
Speaker 1: it's real, Like you hear things about this in conspiracy world,
Speaker 1: but I just had somebody on my show Legit tell
Speaker 1: me that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Yo, they're doing it syirisically.
Speaker 1: Surgically and ritual. Then they're using rituals too. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a little bit ago. I think me and
Speaker 1: Lisa tried to ask him a little bit more than that,
Speaker 1: but we didn't want to make it obvious that we
Speaker 1: were like, Yo, what did you just say, dude, and
Speaker 1: started hammering them with questions because it really did take
Speaker 1: us off guard. We weren't expecting to hear that. Well,
Speaker 1: that put me away.
Speaker 2: There is this meeting I believe in the sixties. I
Speaker 2: believe that after the reporters had the their go there
Speaker 2: was a last minute question and that that was asked
Speaker 2: to the guy that was speaking and he sold, okay,
Speaker 2: so shut down the recorders and I can tell you this.
Speaker 2: One of the things that we are going to do
Speaker 2: is we are going to bake boys and girls the same.
Speaker 2: And we started seeing that, uh, in the last in
Speaker 2: the last decade, because they don't plan to the next hour.
Speaker 2: They plan well, and this is is something that has
Speaker 2: been moving and pushed and pushed. But uh, yeah that
Speaker 2: that would be a shock to actually hear someone to
Speaker 2: say it in your face. We are actually doing this.
Speaker 2: So what's the purpose?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I be totally honest with you. I
Speaker 1: don't remember if we even asked him that. I think
Speaker 1: I was so so shocked. I was just like, what, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I that is interesting. What the purpose is for that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it does seem to be and I do think
Speaker 1: sometimes it has to do with kind of like the
Speaker 1: idea of the hermaphrodite is a symbol for a hold,
Speaker 1: which is the sphere where mercury, a toath of Hermes
Speaker 1: would fall on the cabalistic trio of life. So sometimes
Speaker 1: I do think it's even a reference to that to
Speaker 1: an extent. Sometimes, like the whole idea of that that
Speaker 1: sphere in Cabbala. I guess they're trying to access that
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I would put it into first of all, it's
Speaker 2: a very effective anti birth system.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, besides that, yes, besides the audience.
Speaker 2: So we can go to a very simple eugenics. That's
Speaker 2: how it's called, right, yep, eugenics of basis. Then these
Speaker 2: people tend to be much more vulnerable than the rest
Speaker 2: of the population, so they are easier to manipulate and
Speaker 2: to drive because these people are always looking for a fight.
Speaker 2: There's always looking tote it. It's like that John Cleese
Speaker 2: seeing that how to be an extermist and the advantage
Speaker 2: of being an extermist because you have all of these enemies,
Speaker 2: either you choose right or left, you have all of
Speaker 2: these enemies that you can justify your being angry and
Speaker 2: sat and screaming, because if these people didn't exist, you'll
Speaker 2: be completely normal, right. And I love how he ends
Speaker 2: the clip saying, and this way people don't realize the
Speaker 2: pathetic psychopath that you really are.
Speaker 1: So but.
Speaker 2: One of the things that intrigued me in this is
Speaker 2: when you speak about magic. I would like you to
Speaker 2: explain because a lot of people confuse illusionism with magic,
Speaker 2: and to me, they are completely different things. Because what
Speaker 2: most people think it's magic, it's actually illusionism. And yes
Speaker 2: it's not magic. Magic is black stuff, right, how would
Speaker 2: you describe it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you nailed it right on the head
Speaker 1: with that Ricardo. Illusionary magic, Uh, not too ugh. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's like really a problem with censorship. But
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I are trying not to use the
Speaker 1: word too much. But Nazis, I do think illusionary magic
Speaker 1: is very much exactly what like Nazism or Nazi I
Speaker 1: do think that is a form of magic in itself
Speaker 1: where you are presenting stuff to the public and it's
Speaker 1: not exactly what you think it is, and it's like
Speaker 1: striking fear and terror into people. It is the whole
Speaker 1: thing of like the rabbit and a hat. Look at
Speaker 1: this and focus on this and don't notice the other
Speaker 1: things going on.
Speaker 2: I think you're not talking about Nazis. They're talking about
Speaker 2: the news network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, but that's all. Yeah. But my whole
Speaker 1: thing is is I think they actually got that from
Speaker 1: Nazi magic. I think they've perfected it. Yeah, and one
Speaker 1: real like real quick way. I'll even explain that like
Speaker 1: real fast. When we were having problems in Ukraine, I
Speaker 1: guess we still are. At the beginning of the war,
Speaker 1: all news stations it was CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, all
Speaker 1: of them didn't matter if it was left or right.
Speaker 1: You were getting a lot of footage that when the
Speaker 1: news gives footage, at least in the United States, it
Speaker 1: normally will tell you on the image who was supplied by.
Speaker 1: I think they have to and a lot of them
Speaker 1: are so supplied by Azof Battalion. Azoff Battalion is a
Speaker 1: far right Nazi battalion that's in Ukraine. So we have
Speaker 1: people in Ukraine that are Nazis are handing us the
Speaker 1: images and telling us what's going on over there. That's
Speaker 1: magic because I guarantee you there's some bullshit and the
Speaker 1: images were being shown or it's being taken out of context.
Speaker 1: You take ten seconds out of one hundred and twenty seconds,
Speaker 1: you can really manipulate and tell the story, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because you don't have the before and after,
Speaker 1: you'll just tell people this is what happened. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I do think that is exactly what you're saying. Like
Speaker 1: the whole illusionary magic, and I do think that is
Speaker 1: black magic where you start manipulating the people to get
Speaker 1: what you want. You're starting to push your will onto others.
Speaker 1: Real magic and magic that I don't think most people
Speaker 1: will take into consideration. Or believe that exists, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound, as I guess, as scary or as crazy,
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, it is to actually have a
Speaker 1: spiritual experience with one's self from God. I mean, anybody
Speaker 1: that I knew that took this stuff serious and wasn't
Speaker 1: LARPing or just in a bad stage in their life
Speaker 1: and just wanted to be edgy. That is the idea
Speaker 1: of what the magician is actually supposed to do. Especially
Speaker 1: if you're working Withbala, You're supposed to be going up
Speaker 1: the tree to have an experience with God by yourself.
Speaker 1: And in my opinion, I do believe that I've had
Speaker 1: those experiences across the Abyss, and it was the idea
Speaker 1: of magic. Even then once I had that experience, was
Speaker 1: not really what I thought it was. It's something much
Speaker 1: more beyond a little bit more scarier. If you start
Speaker 1: thinking about what might be going on, you might have
Speaker 1: to start questioning reality and physics, probably what you've been
Speaker 1: told growing up to make any sense. How do I
Speaker 1: make sense of this? If I've been told this isn't possible,
Speaker 1: so like it. To me, it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more definite. You're going my opinion experience that I have had,
Speaker 1: the whole death and rebirth might actually be much more
Speaker 1: literal than I think people believe too. I do think
Speaker 1: and even from experiences for myself, and I've had to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital after messing with magic a few times.
Speaker 1: Do you think there is something going on physically? I
Speaker 1: do think your soul is actually starting to slip out
Speaker 1: the back of your head and you're going somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I did it a few times in one week, and
Speaker 1: I physically felt bad and thought something was happening. So
Speaker 1: I went to the hospital and like there was actually changes.
Speaker 1: I had issues with my blood that never was a
Speaker 1: problem again. My hemoglobin was jacked up and they had
Speaker 1: to give me a bag of saline and a bag
Speaker 1: of blood and for weeks. And this happens anytime I
Speaker 1: ever have a magical experience. My pupils change. One gets
Speaker 1: big and the other one gets smaller every time. So
Speaker 1: there's something going on with inside my body.
Speaker 2: Well, and are you sure you're doing it properly?
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I'm just meditating. I'm not
Speaker 1: even casting circles or anything. I just close my eyes
Speaker 1: and meditate.
Speaker 2: Because if it affected your blood, it is because of
Speaker 2: some kind of imbalance that I presume is related to
Speaker 2: frequency that you achieve instead of being uh something actual physical.
Speaker 1: I had wondered if there's something that maybe you burn
Speaker 1: up and utilize in your blood when you do this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that just sound cheesy, but it's just kind
Speaker 1: of going back to Star Wars. Yeah, you know some
Speaker 1: Star Wars type stuff where they have that shit and
Speaker 1: just in your blood that helps you.
Speaker 2: You know, you have all these medichlorians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or is it or something I hate to use
Speaker 1: the word, because I do think this is you might
Speaker 1: even realize it or see it yourself. How sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a little bit misunderstood, the whole adrenochrome idea. You know,
Speaker 1: I do think like if maybe that's like something to
Speaker 1: do with why my blood was different.
Speaker 2: Don't and have you tried to change the place of
Speaker 2: the setting the results are the same?
Speaker 1: You know what? Since then I've moved and I have
Speaker 1: not actually gone that far again since then.
Speaker 2: So, because that would be interesting because you might be
Speaker 2: in a in a what is called like a note
Speaker 2: or something no, no, a black life. You could actually
Speaker 2: be on a black line, and black lines are extremely dangered.
Speaker 2: If dangerous if you enter in those states of meditation,
Speaker 2: for instance. And black lines are completely different from the
Speaker 2: others in terms of telluric energies because we don't know
Speaker 2: their origin. They are much flatter and much broader than
Speaker 2: the other ones. But the other ones are very narrow
Speaker 2: and usually and black lines can can go for one
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers sometimes in in white in with So you
Speaker 2: might have been in a place like that and that's
Speaker 2: a no, no place to do any kind of experimentation.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: That might have been the cause. Metaphysically speaking.
Speaker 1: Actually during that time I did. I was in Queens.
Speaker 1: I didn't move like I guess. Like again, depending on
Speaker 1: how big this black line is, I moved like ten
Speaker 1: blocks away and I still was I forgot. I still
Speaker 1: didn't mess with the magic at that point, but I
Speaker 1: haven't since I moved out of Queens of North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But again, it was ten blocks away. I could have
Speaker 1: been in the same black line. That is interesting. I should,
Speaker 1: I should maybe look up that show. But have you
Speaker 1: have you ever never even heard of black line?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can. You can go to Google ears,
Speaker 2: you download the kmz file for the lay lines, and
Speaker 2: you can see if where you are, well, I can
Speaker 2: do it in mind. After the show, we can. We
Speaker 2: can look up it and I'll tell you because there's
Speaker 2: about seven or eight files of KMZ files with all
Speaker 2: the talluric entergries that have been mapped, not mentioning that
Speaker 2: there are not more of them, but all of this,
Speaker 2: and it's enough to almost cover the Gold globe. If
Speaker 2: you have that, only the globe seeing all of it,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just straight lines. But it's interesting to
Speaker 2: know where. It's always important to know where we are
Speaker 2: because when you're dealing with the the spiritual or non
Speaker 2: physical realm, it's important the setting. That's why the ancients
Speaker 2: had so much care with the setting. That's one of
Speaker 2: the things that I condemn because everyone and everybody today
Speaker 2: that takes psychotropics, especially if we're talking about psilocybin or
Speaker 2: or d MT or or masculine, they don't care about
Speaker 2: the setting. Most of the people take it anywhere or
Speaker 2: any conditions without care for the rest. The setting is
Speaker 2: one of the most important parts of any psychotropic experience
Speaker 2: in my perspective, So in terms of what you've learned,
Speaker 2: and for those that are interested in magic, for instance,
Speaker 2: would you describe it as something that tends to let's extrapulate,
Speaker 2: doctors train, or is something that elaborates more to the
Speaker 2: alchemic world.
Speaker 1: I would almost have to say both believe it or not.
Speaker 1: The reason why I say doctor strange is because this
Speaker 1: is one thing I will say that definitely changed for
Speaker 1: me too. After having these experiences and podcasting, meeting people
Speaker 1: like you and Lisa and other people that are into, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the science field and studying older occultists. They're
Speaker 1: very much actually into science sure, and like understanding like
Speaker 1: almost basic stuff that is like mind blowing that most
Speaker 1: people don't understand. That's like a monkey could probably learn
Speaker 1: this if you actually showed it to him. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know what I'm getting at. But
Speaker 1: it's like such like you just learning how to manipulate mercury,
Speaker 1: you know, with a magnet it making you can make
Speaker 1: things look like it's moving. Oh it's a robot back
Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds. You can tell people that you
Speaker 1: know and it's just pieces moving from you know, messing
Speaker 1: with the messing with stuff, which I do think went on.
Speaker 1: But I did get much more into physiology my opinion,
Speaker 1: and I don't know really. I guess because of the
Speaker 1: eyes changing. I started thinking something's up with the human
Speaker 1: body and the mind. Maybe because when I have these experiences,
Speaker 1: my eyes are closed and it's like more it's more
Speaker 1: high depth than reality. So I'm starting to think, like
Speaker 1: something's going on inside my head for this to be happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's cold. It's reality. If I'm
Speaker 1: seeing shit with my eyes closed, it's something going on
Speaker 1: with my brain, you know. And I'm like, so it's
Speaker 1: you know, what's up. I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: So I did start getting kind of interested in that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I started looking into the eyeballs in the brain
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, there is a lot of
Speaker 1: occult symbolism in here. And I started looking at it
Speaker 1: more and like I started talking to like other people
Speaker 1: that were on the show that are into this stuff
Speaker 1: and sending it to them, and when I was just like, yo,
Speaker 1: I think, I think understanding the eyes and the brain
Speaker 1: it was actually one of the secrets of secrets when
Speaker 1: it comes to occultism and and the relationship that they
Speaker 1: have together, how we see light, how it comes out
Speaker 1: of our eyes too. That whole I think the whole
Speaker 1: science of how your eyeballs actually work. It is all
Speaker 1: over the Catholic Church. This may sound crazy, but I
Speaker 1: actually think it's huge.
Speaker 2: No, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1: But and that was something I never would have thought
Speaker 1: of ever in the past until I had my experience.
Speaker 2: I just have some reservations when we try to frame
Speaker 2: it in the brain. Yeah, uh, because I think I
Speaker 2: think the brain is there just.
Speaker 3: As a conduit an interface, Yeah, like a sponge, an
Speaker 3: interface that also, in conjunction with your nervous system, regulates
Speaker 3: your body.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think. I think the nerves. I think the
Speaker 1: nerves are huge too. Sound crazy, but I think in
Speaker 1: ocult symbolism, a lot of angels are actually the nerves,
Speaker 1: because those are the things that I can varying the
Speaker 1: messages from one thing to.
Speaker 2: The next exactly exactly well said. So in that frame
Speaker 2: of thought, I would put that experience as in what
Speaker 2: I call the real self. That is that aura that
Speaker 2: you have around you, that it's somehow like this fiber
Speaker 2: wire connected, that it's all frequency connected to the brain
Speaker 2: and to its its multiple points. And I think that
Speaker 2: all of those news of destruction, of fear and death,
Speaker 2: and that is what is cutting those wires of connection
Speaker 2: that can regenerate, but you need to go through that
Speaker 2: process of meditation or or self awareness and so on.
Speaker 2: So in this regard and taking the experience that you have,
Speaker 2: if you instead of placing it happening in your brain,
Speaker 2: if you see it as you are, feeling your true
Speaker 2: self and living the brain, the body and the brain
Speaker 2: where it is, and that's perhaps what causes that uncomfort.
Speaker 2: The discomfort of of something is different because you are
Speaker 2: used to something and then you you get to another
Speaker 2: completely reality where you see different colors, you see different frequencies,
Speaker 2: collows for sure.
Speaker 1: Colors are way different regards these experiences.
Speaker 2: Because the eyes are no longer limiting what you can
Speaker 2: see on on this matrix of reality that is in
Speaker 2: front of us, because that's what it is. It's a matrix.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like real quick maybe you might have
Speaker 1: noticed before, but if you start looking at like a
Speaker 1: lot of animals that are used for a cult symbolism,
Speaker 1: they all see the UV spectrum. They can see more
Speaker 1: than than we can. And I find that interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. I think. I think, I think somehow
Speaker 2: it's all interconnected. Uh, for those that want to start
Speaker 2: on that path. What would you suggest today, what should
Speaker 2: they read into or what cometo should they research?
Speaker 1: For me, I mean, especially because of stuff that I'm into. Well,
Speaker 1: for one, it doesn't sound all that exciting, but learn
Speaker 1: to start meditating. I really think that is one of
Speaker 1: the most important things. I mean for me, I have
Speaker 1: to go into a meditation I have a magical experience.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, maybe even to do that, you might actually
Speaker 1: have to start working on yourself because you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to shut off the hundred voices in your head that
Speaker 1: are driving you crazy to have to really meditate. But meditation,
Speaker 1: I'm big into the Kabbala, and I do think that
Speaker 1: that stuff is extremely deep. I do think there's science
Speaker 1: in there, there's spirituality in there. It just there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. I'm very much into meditation, Kabbala, and
Speaker 1: maybe learning stuff about planetary planetary things because that will
Speaker 1: fit kind of good on the tree of life, but
Speaker 1: give you a different aspect of the same idea. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Kabbala and meditation I think helped me immensely.
Speaker 1: And you know when I say the Kabbala too, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people when they hear that they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's like some sort of like Satanic like ritual stuff.
Speaker 1: In any of the books that I have ever owned
Speaker 1: on the Kabbala, there's not one ritual in there. It
Speaker 1: is all different ideas and aspects of what God is
Speaker 1: and how He came into form. That's all you're going
Speaker 1: to read. In most, probably ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 1: books on the Kabbala, I've never come across one that
Speaker 1: actually puts a ritual in there. You have to design
Speaker 1: that yourself based on the Kabbala. So it's all for
Speaker 1: me when I say the Kabala, it's really just the
Speaker 1: hermetic Kabala. It's more of just understanding God, the different
Speaker 1: densities of it and how He came into form. So
Speaker 1: I'm very big into that stuff. Dead in the unit.
Speaker 1: You could start attributing colors, you know, there's frequencies, you know,
Speaker 1: you can start at minerals, plants. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: many things when you use the hermetic Kabala that really
Speaker 1: start opening up I think, trying to understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: So you use a kind of a setting with a
Speaker 2: sound with the burning of some plant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I used to do rituals myself. I would
Speaker 1: the way I would construct it, depending on what I
Speaker 1: was working with. I would attribute it to the Kabbala,
Speaker 1: and if I had to, I would attribute to whatever
Speaker 1: planet is falling on that sphere I would use. I
Speaker 1: would have crystals maybe on my altar that matched that
Speaker 1: planetary sphere. I would make incense, sometimes a different incense.
Speaker 1: I'd mix it together that matched. I would have a
Speaker 1: candle that was the color that matched all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes even my altar cloth. Let's say I was working
Speaker 1: with Jupiter, I might have a blue altar cloth to
Speaker 1: go along with Jupiter. I'll have cedar incense. I might
Speaker 1: have a you know, a certain crystal that's for that.
Speaker 1: And I always had a black and white candle to
Speaker 1: represent the two pillars of the Kabbala on my altar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the salt water because I I mean when I
Speaker 1: when I did my rituals, I would cleanse. It almost
Speaker 1: looks like you're in you're in church. I had I
Speaker 1: had this the hanging, the hanging burners. It's like the
Speaker 1: Catholic priest would. I would do my little ex'es, and
Speaker 1: then I even had that little stick with the head
Speaker 1: at the end that you dump in the water that
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll see the priests used to do that. I
Speaker 1: would do that around my circle and then I would,
Speaker 1: you know, do my prayer, call on to God or
Speaker 1: whatever I was dealing with, and to do my thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was very It's very for me. It
Speaker 1: was very Uh. It was always associations. There was always
Speaker 1: things that are attribute to And I do think in
Speaker 1: the beginning that does help with the kind of focusing
Speaker 1: on what you're actually doing because you have all these
Speaker 1: attributions and all these things to specified. I think it
Speaker 1: just helps with the mind. But in my experience, and
Speaker 1: you know, I've heard this from other people when they
Speaker 1: have magical experiences and not trying to sound like Neo
Speaker 1: from the Matrix, but you will wake up and understand
Speaker 1: things you didn't know before. That's just my opinion. Like
Speaker 1: he says, oh, I know, kung Fu, It's not to
Speaker 1: that extent. I'm not going to wake up one day
Speaker 1: from playing with magic and them, Bruce Lee. You know
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But the things that I have learned in
Speaker 1: the past that made no sense to me, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden started like rewiring. And I swear it's like
Speaker 1: you'll see images flash before your eyes of like these
Speaker 1: things you didn't understand and like somehow you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I see the line the threat between all
Speaker 1: that that makes sense now. It's like so weird, and
Speaker 1: you will sometimes the stuff being shown to you is
Speaker 1: being like it's like so loud, it's almost like you're
Speaker 1: hearing it being said to you. You're not, you're not
Speaker 1: hearing voices, but it's like you are. It's so hard
Speaker 1: to explain. And that's even made me wonder about schizophrenia
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like you know, are they really
Speaker 1: are they really kind of stuck in between both worlds
Speaker 1: and they just don't know it?
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, yeah. I in terms in terms of your subjects,
Speaker 2: I see a lot of subjects there to create just
Speaker 2: one set. So you would recommend people to go looking
Speaker 2: to crystals?
Speaker 1: Yeah, crystals, I think especially because of like the stuff
Speaker 1: that you're into. Uh. I do obviously think there is
Speaker 1: something up with the reasons why crystals are associated with
Speaker 1: certain stuff, especially realizing frequencies and how like you can
Speaker 1: change things. I think the crystals might actually be much
Speaker 1: more of a scientific occult science aspect behind the magic
Speaker 1: when you start looking at that and Unfortunately, you get
Speaker 1: most magicians or most witches and wickens thinking it's just
Speaker 1: you know, something cute that you just hold in your hand.
Speaker 1: You know, same with this. Actually, probably some deep science
Speaker 1: between you know, the reasoning why it's even there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't doubt it. In fact, I'm I'm most
Speaker 2: people might get angry with me with this, But I
Speaker 2: think the new age and weika was developed exactly to
Speaker 2: deviate people from the actual.
Speaker 1: Inger. And that even goes back to Alista Crowley.
Speaker 2: Again, not that there are not good practices there. I
Speaker 2: just think that it was created, the attempt of this
Speaker 2: viated and created and going to the irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Yes, to irrelevant, I agree. Gerald Gardner had a choice
Speaker 1: to either open up an Oto lodge because he was
Speaker 1: he was a student of Crawleys, and for some reason
Speaker 1: he decided to start wicker probably because it was more profitable.
Speaker 2: Not that money has anything to do.
Speaker 1: Especially not those guys.
Speaker 2: But you're touching a very interesting point. That is my
Speaker 2: question to you is what come came came first? The
Speaker 2: church ritual or the holistic h slash kabbalistic ritual. Because
Speaker 2: you're so you're showing all those those similiarities and I
Speaker 2: think that that is much older than the Church itself,
Speaker 2: so it was the church to adopt that and not
Speaker 2: the other way around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that is a very interesting point, and
Speaker 1: I have started thinking that myself, especially because after covering
Speaker 1: so many older occultists on the show, we like to
Speaker 1: like cover some people that are influential in the past.
Speaker 1: I would say anywhere from around like the fourteen hundreds
Speaker 1: to like the sixteen or seventeen hundreds. Within the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: it was a huge thing for people to start incorporating
Speaker 1: kabbala to understand the Bible, and they were coming up
Speaker 1: and they thought they were coming up with breakthroughs with
Speaker 1: understanding and deciphering the Bible. So now if that is
Speaker 1: the case, then you're telling me that that Bible is
Speaker 1: actually it's a cult, you know, saying like it was
Speaker 1: probably like what you're saying, it came something else and
Speaker 1: then it was changed.
Speaker 2: Sure, it is the weaker version of the cabalistic ritualism.
Speaker 2: It's this simplified version or the version that was decided
Speaker 2: to be published to the people. See, for instance, I
Speaker 2: have a very vast occult library in terms of rare
Speaker 2: books and all of that. Yeah, but I have several
Speaker 2: people ask me for me to share some of those books,
Speaker 2: and I'm normally ninety nine percent of the times I
Speaker 2: share any book. But I don't share my occulties books
Speaker 2: because I don't believe that people are actually ready or
Speaker 2: I don't know what are their intentions. And this is
Speaker 2: not a playground. This is something that is very serious.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't advise anyone to try any of the
Speaker 2: things that are on those books unless they are absolutely
Speaker 2: sure they can control what they are calling to themselves
Speaker 2: or to others. So I understand that at some point
Speaker 2: they decided, Okay, this is way too powerful, Let's give
Speaker 2: a lighter version for people, and let's make money from it.
Speaker 1: I think that's what King James was doing with his
Speaker 1: version of the Bible.
Speaker 2: Because in fact, you are describing those cabalistic studies, and
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of Jews, and to this
Speaker 2: day there are organizations of Jews that are actively continually
Speaker 2: researching the Cabala and relating it to the Aura. So
Speaker 2: they are mixing the two and trying to find the
Speaker 2: actual meaning in it. And I think all of this
Speaker 2: includes what people don't consider to be occultist, that is
Speaker 2: the deciphering of the Bible in terms of numbers, in
Speaker 2: terms of conjugations of letters, because they see everything, how
Speaker 2: many v's appear, how many t's, how many times this
Speaker 2: word appears repeated to them, All of that is intentional.
Speaker 2: There is not a single word in there that does
Speaker 2: not have a meaning, even its letter. So it is
Speaker 2: they see this as a very complicated mathematical exercise that
Speaker 2: is acal. This in its essence, and it's full of
Speaker 2: this hitting meanings according to the key that you choose
Speaker 2: to read it. If you choose to read it from
Speaker 2: the key of this word, you only lead the parts
Speaker 2: of that word, and you get a different message. For instance,
Speaker 2: I'm just giving example. So there they read the Bible
Speaker 2: in many many ways. If they choose that that letter
Speaker 2: is number five, for instance, they go in some all
Speaker 2: of those fives, and then they calculate something according to
Speaker 2: their cabalistic studies, and they get to a different interpretation
Speaker 2: of the Bible that says you want to you're going
Speaker 2: to read this, this, this, and that, and you get
Speaker 2: that different message. It's they use it as even as
Speaker 2: some form of oracle, using this these cooks.
Speaker 1: That is, that's great that you brought up oracles for sure.
Speaker 1: I definitely believe that. You know, it's a something that
Speaker 1: I had even learned to getting into occultism that whenever.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you do see some people specifically
Speaker 1: right like this. For the oracle to be considered correct,
Speaker 1: it has to be done in hexameter, which is a
Speaker 1: certain type of like writing. And if you saw looking
Speaker 1: at like a lot of occultists and even like Jim
Speaker 1: Morrison and just performers, there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: specifically use hexameter. And I do even wonder if that's
Speaker 1: even like something that's but that's yeah, but what you
Speaker 1: were even saying too with uh, if you saw looking
Speaker 1: at the jamatria, I mean, that's giving every letter of
Speaker 1: some sort of value. So I do think that if
Speaker 1: you're starting to change words, I think this is even
Speaker 1: a big thing with slang. You know, you're changing the frequency. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's not the same energetic
Speaker 1: value anymore, but you think you're using it for the
Speaker 1: same word, or you might be saying it differently. It's
Speaker 1: just I do think that is even a reason for
Speaker 1: different languages so people don't have the same power and tones.
Speaker 2: Sure, but that's the old story of the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 2: Let's divide the countries because united they are too powerful.
Speaker 2: So let's destroy the joint efforts, and let's confuse their
Speaker 2: languages so they don't understand each other. So this is
Speaker 2: the good, benevolent God. So that's as Who's Who's Carling?
Speaker 2: I can't remember his first name, George Carlin. He used
Speaker 2: to say that God is someone in the sky. There
Speaker 2: is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and he loves you. But if
Speaker 2: you miss me, have and disobey, you'll burn into hell
Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever. But he loves you.
Speaker 1: No God, the God in the the New Testament, the
Speaker 1: Old Testament, you would think he's bipolar.
Speaker 2: It's completely maniacs.
Speaker 1: Yes, especially complete, complete maniac is spoiled, spoiled out.
Speaker 2: It is no different from any great emperor that decided
Speaker 2: to conquer the world. No different at all. You're just
Speaker 2: going and telling them, now, go to that city, burn
Speaker 2: it to the ground, destroy everything. What's the purpose of
Speaker 2: that one thing? One thing is to take the city
Speaker 2: and or embraces its resources or anything that. No, they
Speaker 2: were just moving along and destroying anything in their path
Speaker 2: until they reached the promised land. They destroyed all those
Speaker 2: cities and for no reason. If you think about it,
Speaker 2: the walls of Jericho, that rich city, that immense city,
Speaker 2: that they turn all those those walls down and they
Speaker 2: burned the entire city. Yeah, I mean what, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 1: No, that's an unusual amount of energy and output for
Speaker 1: a test that you didn't need to do that for
Speaker 1: and resources used. I mean, like what you're saying, it
Speaker 1: really doesn't make any unless you just complete chaos.
Speaker 2: You could just cross the desert try to reach your destination.
Speaker 2: Here it is your land, right. But no, they were
Speaker 2: going and destroying and keep going and destroying and not
Speaker 2: living very well while they're doing it. Let's be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were seeing that miracle exactly the same thing that
Speaker 2: was seen in in Fatima. Here in Portugal you have
Speaker 2: heard of it. I find this fascinating because it seems
Speaker 2: that America didn't receive the most famous of all the
Speaker 2: paranormal events in the world, and the one that is
Speaker 2: more than certified. They cannot deny it, to the point
Speaker 2: that the Pope himself are credited as a miracle.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I know what you're talking about now, ye, the.
Speaker 2: Three the three Fatima, And yeah, of course you have
Speaker 2: to know about that because it's it's it's huge, so
Speaker 2: that that's that light, that sun, it's it's more like
Speaker 2: what they they had in the in the desert to follow.
Speaker 2: It's most it's I like to relate to that. They
Speaker 2: seem they seem somewhat they came from the same god
Speaker 2: as they say, So how many light machines does he have?
Speaker 1: So that.
Speaker 2: And and and yourself in terms of experiences outside being
Speaker 2: in in a ritual, what would you consider what you're
Speaker 2: more undeniable experiences that are not normal.
Speaker 1: Uh, outside of a ritual. Well, one time when I
Speaker 1: was meditating. This is very weird, and it's gonna sound
Speaker 1: cookie and you may me, but other people may not.
Speaker 1: And I've said it a few times in my story
Speaker 1: and it just sounds so fantastical. I don't even like
Speaker 1: repeating it because it's just it's like the whole David
Speaker 1: Ike thing. The guy talks about reptilians and you'd like
Speaker 1: blow off everything else he just said because he said
Speaker 1: something crazy. Now, but uh, it was one time when
Speaker 1: I was trying to meditate and it was after I
Speaker 1: had a magical experience, I think a few days later,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm just gonna meditate and chill
Speaker 1: out and stuff and then do nothing. Crazy. Why I
Speaker 1: was meditating. I had like a candle maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: three feet full feet away from me, three feet away
Speaker 1: from me, sitting on top of like a thing in
Speaker 1: my living room. And I would always sit in a
Speaker 1: chair and I would always have my I would use
Speaker 1: a chair that has a straight back, so my back
Speaker 1: was straight, my legs would be straight, and I put
Speaker 1: my hands on my legs. It's called the God pose.
Speaker 1: It's the easiest and cheesiest way for me to meditate.
Speaker 1: So that's what I went with. So I would sit
Speaker 1: in my chair and I'd meditate like that, and I
Speaker 1: was focusing on my pineal gland. You know, I would
Speaker 1: do whatever. I would always have these certain practices where
Speaker 1: I would just try to move energy around. Then I
Speaker 1: would try to full becaus on my chakras, and I
Speaker 1: was focusing on my mypenio. And you know, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of times when I have a magical experience, it
Speaker 1: always starts with me trying to It sounds crazy, push
Speaker 1: on it, you can, I can feel it and I
Speaker 1: start to like feel like I can push on it.
Speaker 1: So I was doing that while I was meditating just
Speaker 1: a little bit though, just kind of like playing with it,
Speaker 1: and I started, like, I have my eyes closed, and
Speaker 1: when I was doing it, it almost seemed like it
Speaker 1: started to get flashing, and I thought like the weird
Speaker 1: stuff was going to start again, but just like in
Speaker 1: a different way, and I was like, oh well, let
Speaker 1: me calm down, and it would just freaked me out.
Speaker 1: It's weird to me out. I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: So I closed my eyes again. I start my meditation
Speaker 1: all over again, because it's already screwed me up. Probably
Speaker 1: took me about another five minutes. So I get into it.
Speaker 1: I start doing it again, and I start seeing the
Speaker 1: flashing again, and I'm like, what the fuck? It startles me.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what's going on here? So I do
Speaker 1: it again, go all over, you know, go through the
Speaker 1: whole thing, try to you know, get into the mode.
Speaker 1: And it starts happening again, and then like I open
Speaker 1: up my eyes and I'm looking and I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: staring at the candle. I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: So then I stood up and walked over to it,
Speaker 1: and I left my eyes open and pushed on my
Speaker 1: pineal glen and was holding it and the fucking flame
Speaker 1: started flickering and then eventually went out. And that freaked
Speaker 1: me the fuck out because I was like, yo, like,
Speaker 1: that's not fucking normal, and I swear to God it
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy. I put all my shit away
Speaker 1: and I got in bed with my wife at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not even gonna fucking think
Speaker 1: about this right now until tomorrow because I was just
Speaker 1: I know that may sound cheesy, but to me, I
Speaker 1: was like, what I've believed my whole life, if that's true,
Speaker 1: has been a fucking lie because I shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to do that. And that freaked me out.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell it is you are not trying
Speaker 2: to do it? What are you the no, No, you
Speaker 2: were not trying to do that. I'm asking you, Oh,
Speaker 2: you're not trying to do.
Speaker 1: It, not intentionally, but like when I started to think, like,
Speaker 1: what you know is I'm looking at the candle and
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at the flame, I'm like, is that flickering?
Speaker 1: Like That's why I started like, is that where I'm
Speaker 1: seeing the flashing, but I'm like, it's still now. Before
Speaker 1: I even did that, I even made sure, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, my air conditioning's not on. I did even
Speaker 1: make sure like there's nothing blowing anymore. And then that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, there's no way, Like, I know,
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but I was like, was I doing that myself?
Speaker 1: So then so then that's when I tried to see
Speaker 1: if that's what happened. And when it happened, I was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot, I can't believe this.
Speaker 2: But that's my question.
Speaker 1: Why what do you.
Speaker 2: Mean instead of immediately embrace it?
Speaker 1: Oh, is this so, Jill, that's not normal? Why not?
Speaker 1: I know, and you know it's funny. I haven't done
Speaker 1: it yet, but I've literally gone out and bought equipment
Speaker 1: now so I can even record myself. I got a
Speaker 1: thermal cam. I got an MF detector. One day, I
Speaker 1: want to go into a meditation and actually see if
Speaker 1: you could see anything too exactly.
Speaker 2: Because even your energy increased, your your circle of influence
Speaker 2: as it increases, can create that effect.
Speaker 1: That's what I started to think I might be able
Speaker 1: to capture some sort of proof of energy.
Speaker 2: So next time, embrace it oh yeah, yeah, don't freak out.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I tell you the truth. I wouldn't be now.
Speaker 1: But then, because I mean listen, I was like, I
Speaker 1: think that was the first thing that happened after my
Speaker 1: first like real magical experience, before I even played with it.
Speaker 1: More so for me, it was like, oh, brand new,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, this is just too much for me.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: But you're already into into discovering this kind of stuff
Speaker 2: back then, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's I'll be totally honest with you. That
Speaker 1: was when I started realizing I don't think magic was
Speaker 1: even what I thought it was, so like it was
Speaker 1: still like, you know, kind of weirding me out.
Speaker 2: Because when I hear these kind of stories, it always
Speaker 2: in my me. Okay, so you ingressed, you paid a
Speaker 2: fortune to be in a magic school, you finally got
Speaker 2: and knew how to do it, and when you finally
Speaker 2: get some results.
Speaker 1: You sain't This shit ain't normal.
Speaker 2: I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 1: That's like watching a ghost hunt to run away. As
Speaker 1: soon as they say something crazy, it's happening. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to film it.
Speaker 2: How about the questions I had for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1: You finally got some results and he's got scared.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing is you go in the woods and
Speaker 2: the bear appears, then you run, yeah, and try to
Speaker 2: wake up. But if you are actually getting some results
Speaker 2: in something that is fascinating, let let's learn how to
Speaker 2: control it.
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I wish I knew this kid when
Speaker 1: that happened, we'd be like, all right, make that happen again. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's when when that happens, it all reminds me, reminds
Speaker 2: me of Yoda and his words that I hear in
Speaker 2: my head. I just that is why you fail. You
Speaker 2: don't believe it, even if we're when you are making it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, this be real. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: That's even that's that's even another thing that I want
Speaker 1: to add to. Whenever I have a magical experience, as
Speaker 1: soon as I start thinking of self, and it's normally
Speaker 1: because I start questioning what am I experiencing, which could
Speaker 1: even be a sign of fear that I don't even
Speaker 1: realize because now I'm questioning it. Why would I even
Speaker 1: question it? It ends and it normally it's because I'm
Speaker 1: starting to like kind of be like well, what's going on,
Speaker 1: Like why am I like look like I'm out and
Speaker 1: out of space and then it just ends. And I
Speaker 1: think that maybe detaches you from the source because you
Speaker 1: start thinking more of yourself instead of the whole. But
Speaker 1: that is that is the thing that happens to.
Speaker 2: Look I I would say for those that believe be
Speaker 2: real or not, I'm'm saying it's real because real is
Speaker 2: something that is very debatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, relatively.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, but if you think you can actually do something,
Speaker 2: it's like people that imagine if someone great, which starts
Speaker 2: from your family, decides to believe that he can fly. Okay,
Speaker 2: what I advise to those people is I believe you,
Speaker 2: but start from the ground, please, because most people go
Speaker 2: to the top of the building. If you think about
Speaker 2: the stories of people that believe that they can fly,
Speaker 2: they always go to a high window or a building.
Speaker 2: If you can fly, you don't need to go there,
Speaker 2: and normally doesn't go.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you could do that off of
Speaker 1: like you know, like your garage instead of like a
Speaker 1: ten story.
Speaker 2: Do it from the ground, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, yeah you could. I'm saying so many
Speaker 1: more options lift travel from the ground, but there's little
Speaker 1: things that everyone can experience.
Speaker 2: And now I'm the one that's going to look weird.
Speaker 2: But you can influence traffic lights, you can influence street lights,
Speaker 2: you can influence anything that works on electricy electromagnetics if
Speaker 2: you just let it go.
Speaker 1: I do believe that.
Speaker 2: Actually, so these are little exercises, and this is a
Speaker 2: kind of synesthesia that is very common in people. Just
Speaker 2: people don't cultivate it because they think it's all mancho
Speaker 2: bunjo or any time that it happens, they deny it
Speaker 2: to themselves, and that is repressed. It's like you are
Speaker 2: born a witch, but you are repressed all your life
Speaker 2: because it's bad. And then you eventually lose that part
Speaker 2: of yourself because you don't use it. You just become
Speaker 2: this flesh focus on the brain. Yeah, So in that,
Speaker 2: in that regard, do you do you have any kind
Speaker 2: of experience?
Speaker 1: Say that you have? So? Sorry, can't you say that again? Like?
Speaker 1: What was it exactly that? Well?
Speaker 2: I said that the basic exercises are influenced street lights
Speaker 2: or traffic lights.
Speaker 1: I do think that's possible. Yes, with my experience, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean I've never noticed. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe I have, but I do believe that. I do
Speaker 1: think because when it comes down to magic, I think
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with electromagnetism, and it's
Speaker 1: magic magnetism and electricity, and that's why I think metals
Speaker 1: are so important. So I could see why if we
Speaker 1: are technically we have electricity kind of running throwers. I mean,
Speaker 1: the I don't know. I do believe that. I think
Speaker 1: we can actually change an interface with stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And as you described, as soon as you start bragging
Speaker 2: to yourself about it, or as soon as you let
Speaker 2: your ego try to control any ability, it will disappear.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't push your on to it.
Speaker 1: You just have to let it go and let it be,
Speaker 1: you know, assimilarly with the experience.
Speaker 2: So the tough thing is to remain in control, but
Speaker 2: make it if it is completely normal, because the second
Speaker 2: you get out of that zone where you are not
Speaker 2: thinking what you're doing, you're just acting, and that acting
Speaker 2: is your true self, that is acting. Although some people
Speaker 2: like to think, oh I was possessed, maybe not. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's just your true self touching yourself you're not used
Speaker 2: to it. Then you can start actually letting things, starting
Speaker 2: to happen that you were not expecting that it was possible.
Speaker 2: In fact, you were expecting it was possible because you
Speaker 2: were intentively trying to do it. If a guy, a
Speaker 2: normal person right now listening that going out to the
Speaker 2: streets is the first time he decides to whatever he
Speaker 2: believes he needs to do, either look at this traffic lights,
Speaker 2: wave his hands, think about it. I believe visualization is
Speaker 2: the best trick. You actually see it happen as you
Speaker 2: wish it happens. But there are many ways to do it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes in a little wave into the electromagnetic field is enough.
Speaker 2: I would suggest that they actually try to do it.
Speaker 2: So I would encourage people to try and look for
Speaker 2: their metaphysical self to their ability to influence the world.
Speaker 2: You have these people, You have this young guy from
Speaker 2: Canada that has a connection to animals that it's beyond
Speaker 2: what people would consider normal. He has all this kind
Speaker 2: of wildlife concentrated around him and it makes videos almost
Speaker 2: every single day with all of these different elements that
Speaker 2: actually look for him just to be with him. So
Speaker 2: all of these kinds of stiefs, if they are nuture,
Speaker 2: if we embrace what we see, we can do I
Speaker 2: think we can actually improve ourselves in what is probably
Speaker 2: considered an occult uh science procedure or wherever.
Speaker 1: Right, you know. One thing I think is like a
Speaker 1: really good example of like something like really basic like that,
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's something that I heard Rupert Sheldrick.
Speaker 1: I think might have been looking into like the whole phenomenon.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure we've all experienced this before. Two examples,
Speaker 1: someone staring at you from the back of your head
Speaker 1: and somehow you know, and turn around and catch them.
Speaker 1: How does that? How do you? How does that happen?
Speaker 1: We blow that off? But how does that happen? And
Speaker 1: the whole thing with the phone when you answer the phone,
Speaker 1: and it's like before when we used to have old
Speaker 1: phones and we are it's probably my fault the answer
Speaker 1: the phone. It's to follow how do you They say
Speaker 1: that happens more to be a coincidence?
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yes, beyond beyond it's the smallest little things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: We don't even like look at it and think like
Speaker 1: how does that happen?
Speaker 2: Actually, And don't forget this. That experiment was made with
Speaker 2: people aware that you will have to guess the name
Speaker 2: of the person calling, so they are aware, and that
Speaker 2: takes a little bit of the magic of the of
Speaker 2: the feeling, because immediately when the phone rings, you know
Speaker 2: you are under the test, and you will think, okay,
Speaker 2: who might be calling instead of feeling who is calling?
Speaker 2: And still the test is overcome the possibility that it
Speaker 2: be by chance, by vast number or as you described first,
Speaker 2: the back of the neck. Why do agents at the
Speaker 2: beginning of their training, when they are teach to follow someone,
Speaker 2: they are taught not to look in the back of
Speaker 2: the people's heads, never look at the neck of the
Speaker 2: person you're following. They're taught this so it is recognized.
Speaker 2: It's just not public, but it's part of the protocol.
Speaker 2: You do not look to the back of the neck
Speaker 2: of the person you are following. You just do not
Speaker 2: do that. They try to look through windows, through glasses
Speaker 2: to the ground, but never look into the person's neck
Speaker 2: because the person might feel it. The intention. That's what
Speaker 2: we feel. We feel the intention.
Speaker 1: That's wild stuff. There's gotta be something.
Speaker 2: There, right, Yeah, absolutely, we are all connected. I believe
Speaker 2: that if this is agreed, the electromagnetic greed supporting all
Speaker 2: this reality, how how can we be in the ocean
Speaker 2: and not be connected to the fish. You see, you
Speaker 2: are all in the same motion of electromagnetic forces that
Speaker 2: we choose to call magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was even another thing that I had said
Speaker 1: that I thought like you had weirded me out. There
Speaker 1: was a few times like after I had a magical experience,
Speaker 1: I'd opened up my eyes and everything would like look
Speaker 1: like as if it was like white light and then
Speaker 1: just like turned into like a two D and then
Speaker 1: popped into like a three D image, and like that's
Speaker 1: how my reality came back in. And to me, I
Speaker 1: was just like, this is like all like light manipulation
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 2: You see that that state where you see most people
Speaker 2: describe this when they actually die, when they came back,
Speaker 2: they most described this light. So scientists describe the light
Speaker 2: as a secretion that is produced in the brain that
Speaker 2: causes this effect upon death, though they cannot locate it
Speaker 2: or identify it, but that's how they justify it. The
Speaker 2: fact is what I see is you're just as in meditation.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure if you ever experienced this, you feel
Speaker 2: that the image is being sucked all into your eyes
Speaker 2: into this light. So what happens to me is your
Speaker 2: true self is getting out completely out of is normal
Speaker 2: sphere because you are transferring all of your consciousness into
Speaker 2: it and not having anything on your brain, and so
Speaker 2: you're disconnecting those signals of vision and all you see
Speaker 2: is getting into the light that is the real the
Speaker 2: realm of the magnetic uh sorry, the electromagnetic domain, where
Speaker 2: that true self resides. Yes, And when you come back,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. The image starts to reappear slowly
Speaker 2: in starts to appeal. It's like you're getting back into
Speaker 2: into the goggles you see, into virtual reality goggles. You're
Speaker 2: getting back into them.
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, part of like a little bit
Speaker 1: of like my theory of what might be going on.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty sure you know, like our eyes
Speaker 1: do project technically out a little bit, and I do
Speaker 1: think it has some sort of relationship with you know,
Speaker 1: whatever this frequency or reality is. I think when you
Speaker 1: start to have more of a magical experience, I think
Speaker 1: that your eyes aren't projecting out much really anymore, and
Speaker 1: it's more of actually inside you unless actually falling in
Speaker 1: love with the handcuffs of this reality that's all been
Speaker 1: cut off and you're literally inside now. I think something
Speaker 1: like that might literally be going on and like literally
Speaker 1: going from the far far to the front of the
Speaker 1: eyeball to the back part too. It's all literally like
Speaker 1: going back and following it back up to your brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, there's some very brave people because that's
Speaker 2: one of these deercizes that I don't recommend that like
Speaker 2: to meditate open eyed into a mirror as close as
Speaker 2: they can with eyes on eyes and then everything the
Speaker 2: mirror becomes liquid and everything becomes kind of murky, and
Speaker 2: you don't know if you're on the other side of
Speaker 2: the mirror, on the side of the mirror, and some
Speaker 2: people say they get stuck on the other side of
Speaker 2: the mirror and they become these empty shells on this side,
Speaker 2: or if the mirror already has someone caught in that
Speaker 2: mirror and you do that and that person managed to
Speaker 2: go into you. There's these people that change completely from
Speaker 2: day to night in personalities. That could be one of
Speaker 2: the reasons. But uh, I'm going to change the subject
Speaker 2: a little bit. Now, what are your considerations about these
Speaker 2: magicians to this performance That most of them we can explain,
Speaker 2: but there are some of these guys, like there is
Speaker 2: to be a copperfield, was it? David Copperfield. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: are still things that that guy did that Christ Angel.
Speaker 2: The people that are doing what he did today use
Speaker 2: gimmicks because there is technology to create those gimmicks. But
Speaker 2: back then, I still don't know how that guy did it.
Speaker 2: There's some things that he did that seems this guy
Speaker 2: has to be it's not all illusion. There is some
Speaker 2: actual real messhic.
Speaker 1: I do believe that actually with some of those dudes. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think my opinion, I mean, and not saying it
Speaker 1: in a negative sense, I do think that some of
Speaker 1: those magicians are actually magicians and occultists themselves. And again
Speaker 1: even going back to like this is something like I
Speaker 1: try to use as an example, like I was trying
Speaker 1: to get out before. In the twelve hundreds, Albertus Magnus
Speaker 1: is one of the saints of the Catholic Church, supposedly
Speaker 1: had an android that Thomas Aquinas broke. Now, was it
Speaker 1: really an android or did the guy know certain ways
Speaker 1: to just make things move and make it look like
Speaker 1: it was like a robot And maybe it really wasn't
Speaker 1: a robot. He was just like fooling people. It was
Speaker 1: like a you know, kind of like a rabbit in
Speaker 1: the hat thing. Well maybe it was real. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But like I do think like we do have like
Speaker 1: a lot of those I got, like David Blaine and
Speaker 1: Chris Angel. I do think that they're actually occultist to
Speaker 1: where they're really good with the slider hand misconception. But
Speaker 1: I do think they're actually probably is some of their things.
Speaker 1: I do question if and that tube sound cheesy, but
Speaker 1: to give them too much credit, I do think they
Speaker 1: might actually be playing with some stuff.
Speaker 2: True. And when you say you said something that wasn't real,
Speaker 2: what was it? Oh right now, right now on your set,
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think I already forgot what I said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both right, because I just took the note say
Speaker 2: it was real, But I don't know what was real anymore.
Speaker 2: So look, I remember that guy crossed, for instance, across
Speaker 2: the Wall of China. He built a tent on one side,
Speaker 2: then he built a tent on the other side, and
Speaker 2: he crossed from one side to the other. So no tunnel,
Speaker 2: no whole How did he got from one side to
Speaker 2: the other of the Great Wall, for instance?
Speaker 1: There are few.
Speaker 2: Among those things that stunts that this guy did that
Speaker 2: are not easy to explain. And you have. Furthermore, that
Speaker 2: guy with the chains, what was his name, he's very famous,
Speaker 2: the guy that liked to himself and change.
Speaker 1: I think he was an ocultist too.
Speaker 2: Oh, that one was for sure.
Speaker 1: Harry Houdini Udini, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a big
Speaker 1: time a cultist. Yo. You know what his stick was
Speaker 1: was actually trying to expose occultists that were getting over
Speaker 1: on people. That's how he kind of stick started. So
Speaker 1: it's like, well, how did he know.
Speaker 2: Among this? I don't see it. I used to see
Speaker 2: it perhaps ten fifteen years ago, there was thisse YouTube
Speaker 2: channels of this wild occultists that were doing magic, but
Speaker 2: they present themselves as occultists to justify the things that
Speaker 2: they do. And it ceased to me and I don't
Speaker 2: see that kind of stuff in a long time. But
Speaker 2: you think happened to these people that were making a
Speaker 2: lot of money from the stunts and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it got so hyped that we didn't know how
Speaker 2: they were doing it and it just disappeared. Maybe you
Speaker 2: still heard of some, but I haven't. They don't appear
Speaker 2: in my feeds. I don't see anyone in that regard.
Speaker 2: I only see good illusionists, right, now very good illusionists,
Speaker 2: but musicians. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I could. I could agree with that too.
Speaker 1: H Maybe it's easier to easier and profitable to bullshit.
Speaker 1: Actually too.
Speaker 2: You had that very good movie with with Tesla in it.
Speaker 2: What is it called the It's not the Great Showman?
Speaker 2: Could it be from the guy that did Wolverine and
Speaker 2: the You never saw it?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So this is a very good movie about magicians and
Speaker 2: their secrets.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, now, I
Speaker 1: know it's just funny. When you say Tesla, I think
Speaker 1: a Elon Musk, which is horrible. Yeah, you're actually talking
Speaker 1: about Tesla. Yeah, yeah, no, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was those two guys that were like competing against
Speaker 1: each other exactly, but like they seemed like they were
Speaker 1: actually more of like science scientists or ocultists really exactly.
Speaker 2: We are shown that the bird disappears into a cage
Speaker 2: and is smashed and killed in order to disappear the bird,
Speaker 2: but there are other stuff that they are doing that
Speaker 2: in fact, the guy that was contacting Tesla to get
Speaker 2: him his cage and to actually disappear and all of
Speaker 2: that was well into something that was beyond what is normal,
Speaker 2: and you had the I'm not sure if this is
Speaker 2: the same movie that the guy had a double. I
Speaker 2: think it's the same movie. They had doubles, so they
Speaker 2: confused the audience by disappearing in one place and appearing
Speaker 2: in another. And it was a double. So the real
Speaker 2: one only appears and passes through the audio, and after
Speaker 2: the false one disappeared. But one of these guys decided,
Speaker 2: now I want to do it for real. So I'm
Speaker 2: just an illusionist. I'm going to talk to a magician,
Speaker 2: an actual musician, a wizard. And that's when he goes
Speaker 2: and talks to Tesla to tell me how he can
Speaker 2: do that. I think it's people haven't seen it. I
Speaker 2: think it's called The Showman, The Great Showman.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not the Illusionists, something like that. That's
Speaker 1: actually a very good movie. I thought, Yeah, God, that
Speaker 1: guy from American Cycle, right Bell? Was that Christian Bell
Speaker 1: was in it?
Speaker 2: Christian Bale? Exactly, yeah, exactly. And and and how about
Speaker 2: I'm sure you talked to a lot of people about this,
Speaker 2: but not talk yourself. How about experiences with were foes
Speaker 2: or cryptids. Do you have anything on that.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, you know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: there were times when I thought I might have seen
Speaker 1: stuff in the sky's like lights, like maybe like you know,
Speaker 1: in Long Island, not moving like a plane. But I've
Speaker 1: never said any like scene UFO experience. But I have
Speaker 1: actually wondered about that now since I've had experiences with magic,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there is a tie with some of
Speaker 1: that stuff. Uh, Like, in my opinion, I do wonder if,
Speaker 1: like sometimes UFO sightings can maybe be a side effect
Speaker 1: of a magic being done. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain it. I mean, if you look at doctor Stephen Greer,
Speaker 1: I do think that's what I was going I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. I do think there's something, just my opinion,
Speaker 1: something I don't think those people are understanding what's really
Speaker 1: going on. That's just my opinion, because he.
Speaker 2: Came from a completely different direction and then he entered
Speaker 2: in this circle and ceremonies and calling and interacting with
Speaker 2: this beings, and it's a completely different fusion from where
Speaker 2: he started. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes I think he's just like kind of using
Speaker 1: those people's energy to do what his own means or
Speaker 1: something or he's just manipulating him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think he's intentionally and deliberately and telling
Speaker 2: them that he is using their energy to call them.
Speaker 2: That's why he needs that people there on the same
Speaker 2: brain tune.
Speaker 1: That's why they are exactly Yeah, I definitely yeah, you see,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I do believe that those that are there, if
Speaker 2: they are not aware of it, then they are completely lost,
Speaker 2: because yeah, it doesn't seem to he hide it. But
Speaker 2: I saw was today. I think I saw it today
Speaker 2: that there was this live going one with Trump. There
Speaker 2: was a live going on with Trump, but we don't
Speaker 2: know what reality or not anymore, so I don't know
Speaker 2: if it is in a screen. I don't believe it,
Speaker 2: but it seems he was online speaking and on another
Speaker 2: live was the big headline was the war on Ukraine
Speaker 2: was over. He's over with the guy speaking. But I
Speaker 2: also don't know because nothing in our teav so I
Speaker 2: don't know if it is another hoaxed video or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it would be good if they finally finished this
Speaker 2: strange exercise of a war.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They they actually confused people to the point that although
Speaker 2: most people have taken turns on either America or Russia
Speaker 2: and North America, sorry, Ukraine or Russia. In what there
Speaker 2: is some mixed things like the Nazi Party that you
Speaker 2: just spoke before, those videos of they kidnapping kids from
Speaker 2: their mothers to bring him to the front of the war.
Speaker 2: And I suspiciously became suspicious about this war when I
Speaker 2: start seeing news saying big Russian attack, one person injured.
Speaker 2: Because when it was the United States attacking the Iraq
Speaker 2: or the Kuwait, we see massive attack, three hundred dead
Speaker 2: or eleven hundred deaths, and that's normal. That was completely
Speaker 2: normal that those people died. But in the terms of Ukraine,
Speaker 2: you have one injured or you have three people dead
Speaker 2: because of an air strike, it means that they are
Speaker 2: highly organized because they only managed to kill three people
Speaker 2: and they attacked in the entire neighborhood. And I never
Speaker 2: heard of a war where the opposing forces say, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to attack that city tonight. Population. If you
Speaker 2: want to live, please do because I'm going to attack that.
Speaker 1: Oh just recently putin I think asked for like a
Speaker 1: three day like break because you wanted to have some
Speaker 1: people like you're fucking serious, like like literally like you
Speaker 1: wanted to have some like world leaders come over and
Speaker 1: was like, you know, can we stop bombing? Why they're here?
Speaker 1: You know, you guys want us to stop anyway, So
Speaker 1: can we do it for three days at least? Like
Speaker 1: this is silly now, which.
Speaker 2: Reminds me that the Briton's Book of Deerzo and Cashini,
Speaker 2: the Asteris and Obelix. So when Rome is attacking Britain,
Speaker 2: they see that they stop every time at five o'clock.
Speaker 2: It's the cliche to take tea. Yeah, and so the
Speaker 2: general from the Romans decided we are going to stop
Speaker 2: all attack. We are going to attack only at five
Speaker 2: pm every single day. That's when I'm having tea. They
Speaker 2: attack and they conquered Rome. They conquered Brittany in an
Speaker 2: instant because they are having here's them. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2: Let's could you stop just a little bit please because
Speaker 2: I'm receiving someone.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is silly.
Speaker 2: So where do you where do you see yourself in
Speaker 2: the future in terms of your podcast? What are you
Speaker 2: trying to expand?
Speaker 1: Uh? Probably there will be a little little bit more.
Speaker 1: And I've started doing it already, some of my own
Speaker 1: solo stuff where I will cover certain things about occultists
Speaker 1: or occultism and things in the past. I do have
Speaker 1: a lot of and I have gotten to it and
Speaker 1: started working on it and I got people lined up
Speaker 1: to start using. I do have a lot of documentary
Speaker 1: footage from Italy, Yale, Washington, and Nashville where like a cult,
Speaker 1: symbolism and architecture. So I have like some experiences and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know, boots on the ground that
Speaker 1: I've done, and in the future, I would so there's
Speaker 1: gonna be more of that, I would say, probably a
Speaker 1: little bit more better production, a little bit more deepest stuff.
Speaker 1: And for myself, you know, like even just from like
Speaker 1: with you, I do hope or even just all my
Speaker 1: own doings, I do hope to actually go out and
Speaker 1: start like kind of going to places and actually you know,
Speaker 1: seeing things for myself. You know, yes, yes, exactly, I
Speaker 1: want to say. That's so that's something I've actually wanted
Speaker 1: to start doing. So maybe meeting you was the way
Speaker 1: it was supposed to work out, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know, that is definitely something I've wanted to get
Speaker 1: into too, actually, because I have like friends that did
Speaker 1: do that, you know, call a crusher, you know, he
Speaker 1: has a YouTube channel. This guy's got all this equipment
Speaker 1: and he goes out and researches all this stuff by himself.
Speaker 2: He's having all the fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been like you know, I've been. I've
Speaker 1: having having the guy on a couple of times a
Speaker 1: year for the last few years, and I'm like this, dude,
Speaker 1: like I've literally I owned the equipment. That I even
Speaker 1: told you that I have is because he suggested I
Speaker 1: get it. That's easy, that's what he used. So I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, I'll get the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: like I gotta start using it right sure, So that
Speaker 1: that's something I want to get into for sure.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think I think now it's the time
Speaker 2: for the people that have the means and the expertise
Speaker 2: to actually start looking into these things. As it was
Speaker 2: done in the eighties nineties. There were a lot of
Speaker 2: documentaries about covering this, these teams, but they are all lost.
Speaker 2: It's time to new blood produce news with the part
Speaker 2: of this new culture to expose all of this that
Speaker 2: is in plain sight. In fact, now with drones, there's
Speaker 2: no more hiding possible. Because we didn't have the drones.
Speaker 2: We had to do with it from the ground unless
Speaker 2: we rent an alliculture or a plane. But now with
Speaker 2: the drones, we can actually see the Grand Plan, especially
Speaker 2: in Washington and several cities where you see it from
Speaker 2: the air and you see what the heck is going on.
Speaker 2: This looks like a limit or from from the thirteenth century.
Speaker 1: One thing I have been starting to say, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was even saying it to like, you know, there's people,
Speaker 1: of course, the whole thing with obelisks. People like to
Speaker 1: think of it as like a phallic thing, and I
Speaker 1: was busting people's chops on my show that always goes
Speaker 1: straight to almost be a penis. But I was like
Speaker 1: telling them, I was like, you know, like I because
Speaker 1: of my drone now places that I've gone to that
Speaker 1: have obelisks, and it's something that I've started to notice,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of common with them. When I send
Speaker 1: my drone up and I look at it from down,
Speaker 1: that obelisk is like on top up of something or
Speaker 1: in the middle of like like it looks like geometry
Speaker 1: spreading out. I said, I'm starting to think these things
Speaker 1: were actually something to do with powering the place. These
Speaker 1: aren't just people who are obsessed with cement. Dicks. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more deeper than that.
Speaker 2: It's a very powerful dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, but no, but like for real, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is I'm sorry, I don't it doesn't look like one.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. If yours looks like that, you got
Speaker 1: an issue. It's just a stick. That's the only that's
Speaker 1: the only commonality that we were, you know, let's be real.
Speaker 2: Look, we have to recognize there are some cultures that
Speaker 2: used a proper bell top kind of sculpture that's probably
Speaker 2: more mushroom than where their minds took them. Right, Uh so,
Speaker 2: probably had a caterpillar with a with a bond on
Speaker 2: top of it instead of of of of a virgin,
Speaker 2: but they used it for fertility rituals. So they put
Speaker 2: the virgin dancing around it, or they had to go
Speaker 2: and pass under this stone archway three times or something
Speaker 2: like that. But all of this was developed after the
Speaker 2: Church took cold, not before. So we don't know if
Speaker 2: this were actually ancient traditions or not. Right, because what
Speaker 2: I see is what you see. I see that when
Speaker 2: you start looking at this, this is our like systems. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is an actual system that creates a certain kind
Speaker 2: of an effect. So there is nothing here that is
Speaker 2: just ritualistic. It's both virtualistic and purposeful. It's intentional. It
Speaker 2: was placed there for a function, not because it's pretty.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm even starting to like even things that
Speaker 1: you have told me about about certain castles and places
Speaker 1: that you have found on nodes, like, I'm really starting
Speaker 1: to wonder if the structure is actually built to conduct something.
Speaker 1: It's like like like like someone had even said maybe
Speaker 1: it might have been you how comfortable would one of
Speaker 1: those castles actually be for the rich to be living
Speaker 1: in there, you know, like it was you know, was
Speaker 1: it really worthy? I don't know, was it really just
Speaker 1: for them to lay their head or was that there
Speaker 1: to do something a little bit different? And we're told
Speaker 1: some you know, fantasy tale, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think these structures have other reasons
Speaker 1: than what we actually believe they're there for. I think
Speaker 1: it has to do with free energy, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that's why we're not supposed to know about it.
Speaker 2: Sure well, I have a pickle with the the not
Speaker 2: to do with the word energy, because that's what it is,
Speaker 2: but with the sense of electricity because these people didn't
Speaker 2: use electricity, they didn't need electricity. Their culture was not
Speaker 2: adapted to the use of electricity in any way. So
Speaker 2: we see it today because we depend on electricity for everything.
Speaker 2: In fact, the blackout that I've been through clearly shows
Speaker 2: that people without electricity go insane. Everything shuts down, there
Speaker 2: is nothing working. But these people had a system that
Speaker 2: was what I considered to be a type one civilization.
Speaker 2: Type one civilization is a civilization that takes all of
Speaker 2: his energy from the star of their system. And in
Speaker 2: this case, they were taking the electricity indirectly from the
Speaker 2: star because they were taking it from the planet. But
Speaker 2: I still consider them a type one civilization because they
Speaker 2: are self sufficient in terms of energy. And you see
Speaker 2: that they use these megaliths that you were describing to
Speaker 2: increase yelled in agricultural production because the ground was activated
Speaker 2: by these energies. They use it to shield themselves from
Speaker 2: the enemies that couldn't cross certain barriers where they lived comfortably.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wild.
Speaker 2: We see that they use this to store information, be
Speaker 2: it ritualistic or from the ancestors. This old culture of
Speaker 2: the ancestors is exactly going to displaces and doing the ceremonies,
Speaker 2: received the information stored in the crystal of the past ceremonies.
Speaker 2: So all of this is a highly technological and magical world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's what connects us to the conversation that we're having.
Speaker 2: So the fact that you put your drone in the
Speaker 2: air in these cities that were done biocultists, planned biocultists,
Speaker 2: and they have these forms is not accidental. Is them
Speaker 2: trying to recreate these very effects, but for different purposes?
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean there's even been times, I'm sure maybe you've
Speaker 1: even seen it. There's sometimes like sigils, like even goetic sigels.
Speaker 1: Are you still looking at it and you're like, are
Speaker 1: this is like circuit boards or these like diagone electical
Speaker 1: diagrams or something, because that's what it looks like to me.
Speaker 2: And what from the air, it's just like a circuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look, I'm saying, and it's just like weird.
Speaker 1: When you're still looking at it, I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: there's something else with this stuff.
Speaker 2: And they are all either on top of mountains, in
Speaker 2: the curves of rivers, yes, all on top of fault lines,
Speaker 2: underwaterways in all of them. So all of this is coincidence.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's like the guy JJ on our show.
Speaker 1: I mean, and we even had doctor Gregory Little on
Speaker 1: recently covering mounds. There's something up with that. And all
Speaker 1: these structures, they're all got mounds involved with them, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them running water.
Speaker 2: Sure, all near creeks, rivers, always on the bands. That's
Speaker 2: where in the energy conveys stronger. You should look into
Speaker 2: the Cattle and Atlas, and in the Cattle and Atlas
Speaker 2: you see the connection between all the religious places in
Speaker 2: the whole planet. The only difference is one have ones
Speaker 2: have crosses and the other ones have the Muslim symbolism.
Speaker 2: But they are all the same independent of that. So
Speaker 2: it shows us that it's like telling you we are
Speaker 2: all the same. We are just divided according to the
Speaker 2: culture where where our influence is, but the energy grid
Speaker 2: is all there. In fact, they manipulated vast areas of
Speaker 2: rivers and waterways just to bring water to some of
Speaker 2: these places. Yeah, so I think I think that's that's
Speaker 2: inequivocal and undeniable, that these practices were brought right up
Speaker 2: to our times. And you can see that. You raise
Speaker 2: your drone in the air and you can see these forms.
Speaker 2: It's not accidental, now, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is even talking about this stuff reminded me,
Speaker 1: Like you even said, like where do I see the
Speaker 1: podcast going to? I do actually want to start like
Speaker 1: focusing a little bit more on actual science, because I
Speaker 1: do think that is a huge part of what's going
Speaker 1: on in the cult world today is actually people are
Speaker 1: starting to understand cult science and use it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I'm trying to, but I
Speaker 1: want to at least cover it in like show Like
Speaker 1: there's as much as people like to shit on the
Speaker 1: science community, there's a lot of weird shit out there
Speaker 1: that they even entertained that most people, if they knew
Speaker 1: about it, they'd be like, something is up. This world
Speaker 1: isn't what we think it is. It's a lot a
Speaker 1: lot stranger, not in a bad way, though, it's a
Speaker 1: lot stranger than we think it is.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, can you can you give one or two
Speaker 2: examples of that?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean I would even say, like some of
Speaker 1: the things that you've covered and told me, you know about,
Speaker 1: like those those places that you walk through and like
Speaker 1: the vibration, so I kind of make you not docile,
Speaker 1: but like you know, I mean, uh, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean I think, uh, even stuff with like I
Speaker 1: don't know how truthful this stuff is with the pyramids,
Speaker 1: but you know, I even think like that they're showing
Speaker 1: that there could be possible, like cloud busting. I'll even
Speaker 1: put it with like Leon having Leon on the show
Speaker 1: and understanding cloudbusting and oregone. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: if if somebody, if that was in a something that
Speaker 1: they really loved and wanted to do, I think anybody
Speaker 1: could actually start producing those things. Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You just have to have the love within you to
Speaker 1: understand and figure out what you're doing. I don't think
Speaker 1: you have to be like some genius. You just have
Speaker 1: to like have the passion to want to complete it,
Speaker 1: and you can to an extent. And I just think
Speaker 1: like stuff like that, I think I think it just
Speaker 1: shows that there's this again, like what I was trying
Speaker 1: to say before, there's a lot more I think simple science,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, that actually can produce some pretty
Speaker 1: wild effects that most people don't know about.
Speaker 2: Sure, did you have you seen this thing about ionic propulsion?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: So they do. It's like a paper object. You mentioned.
Speaker 2: You see those those all of those cables and wires
Speaker 2: that on the bridges, connecting and crossing. So imagine a structure,
Speaker 2: look a biplan. You see a biplane, imagine just one
Speaker 2: of the side wings that are connected by all of
Speaker 2: those crosses and cables and so on. So this is
Speaker 2: a vertical vertical planes of looks like aluminium with something
Speaker 2: pointing down, a small rod pointing down with a ball
Speaker 2: and by itself, it produces when it's excited by vibration,
Speaker 2: it started producing ionization and that ionization proposed that into
Speaker 2: the air, so gravity has no effect on it. And
Speaker 2: they are now building things the size of people. The
Speaker 2: lift off the ground and can be completely moved according
Speaker 2: to how they change the frequency of the thing that
Speaker 2: they are using and by the footage. This is not new.
Speaker 2: This is probably from the two thousands and it's not
Speaker 2: a yeah, and it's only surfacing now. But there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff science is doing that we don't know,
Speaker 2: but they are funded to do it. The problem is
Speaker 2: is a draw effect. We only receive what they don't
Speaker 2: put on the draw.
Speaker 1: So oh that's even like I'll even say I mean different,
Speaker 1: but like kind of what the same thing. What you're saying, like,
Speaker 1: I uh with ai, I mean for the show, just
Speaker 1: for the art and certain things. I ended up getting
Speaker 1: the chat GPT, the cheap cheap package, the cheaper one,
Speaker 1: and when you have that, you can look at there's
Speaker 1: this thing sore that is part of chat GPT. You
Speaker 1: can look at the images and things people are making
Speaker 1: throughout the day, but I think most of those are
Speaker 1: the people who take the two hundred dollars a month package.
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now there is stuff that
Speaker 1: is being made on there that if you were to
Speaker 1: look at it and like these things that, it's not sexualized,
Speaker 1: it's not promoting anything. It's just people doing random stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't think you would actually question if that was
Speaker 1: real or not. There was stuff on there that when
Speaker 1: you look at it, you're like, I cannot believe that
Speaker 1: we can play with stuff like this, So like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are people using that we can't use? Like
Speaker 1: we already have shit to fake stuff now that I
Speaker 1: think is very believable if you have the money to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah you can. You can. You can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2: You just can't tell the difference anymore.
Speaker 1: You know. There was like one we was just like
Speaker 1: showing a girl like sitting there with like the wind
Speaker 1: blowing on her and she's like in a normal sundress,
Speaker 1: no cleavage, nothing showing that sexualized looked completely one hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The things that they are doing is as long
Speaker 2: as they don't exaggerate and they tell it to make
Speaker 2: it absolute real, there's no way we tell the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so promped they can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, exactly.
Speaker 2: Right, because we are getting uh what is it called
Speaker 2: Mission impossible using masks, But I'm not sure they need
Speaker 2: masks anymore.
Speaker 1: I've even wondered sometimes if the masks stuff is to
Speaker 1: make us believe that it's actually a real video. Those
Speaker 1: idiots are still wearing masks. Imagine that I just throw
Speaker 1: messes on everybody. It's less for the IAW to do
Speaker 1: and people believe it's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but look, people are fascinated by this type of
Speaker 2: characters and they are they paled in comparison to some
Speaker 2: real agents of the past. And what they managed to
Speaker 2: did for Sant Germaint, for instance, was the guy that
Speaker 2: had the US to appear inside the structures without anyone
Speaker 2: seeing him enter, so he appeared in the chambers of Kings.
Speaker 2: He appears in the amidst weddings, amidst the dinners, amidst receptions.
Speaker 2: No one knows how the heck this this guy came
Speaker 2: into here? How is this guy? No one knows has
Speaker 2: advised Kings. He played two parts of the same war
Speaker 2: at the same time. He was accused many times of
Speaker 2: doing practices that were illegal and always got away. So
Speaker 2: it's almost moral, Jack Richard, than without the fighting. You know,
Speaker 2: this guy could write two completely different He could write
Speaker 2: a music with his left hand and the poem with
Speaker 2: his right hand and at the same time, and he
Speaker 2: could write the same text with both hands at the
Speaker 2: same time, and you couldn't tell which hand did what.
Speaker 2: This is a highly trained personal, highly trained people, and
Speaker 2: he did this many times. This is the part of
Speaker 2: the story that is unquestionable because there are many repeated
Speaker 2: people that saw him do these kind of things. So
Speaker 2: he managed to do this conspiracy and create sonatas at
Speaker 2: the same time and be a violinist, and then he
Speaker 2: was a headmaker, and then he was a wizard, and
Speaker 2: then he was an alchemist. These are real super agents
Speaker 2: of the past that we don't care about completely. Shadow
Speaker 2: the things that we can see on on on cinema.
Speaker 2: Just to compliment what you're saying, the past is full
Speaker 2: of wondrous things that are ignored because we are dazzled
Speaker 2: with the this hollow present. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we don't question so
Speaker 1: because we just get it dazzled by Hollywood. You don't
Speaker 1: even question like certain things like how do you even
Speaker 1: get that camera angle in that type of situation? You
Speaker 1: know it's at a good stage, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like some of these it's like why
Speaker 1: does this happen? Why is this being taken in camera
Speaker 1: angles as if it was in a studio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I believe that most people that go and
Speaker 2: watch a movie never think about where was the camera,
Speaker 2: how they get this shot? How is that this take
Speaker 2: is so long? Is they really taking the camera across
Speaker 2: all of these places? People don't think about in that term.
Speaker 2: They're just watching it as something that is really happening.
Speaker 2: It's it's real, there's no question. That's why all of
Speaker 2: my father cannot watch science fiction because it just doesn't
Speaker 2: buy it. It's just it's just what is this? This
Speaker 2: is not real? But today, they will accept anything as
Speaker 2: normal because everything is possible.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We no longer have a superhuman, superhuman superman that we
Speaker 2: clearly see that there are cables grabbing him from his
Speaker 2: body position. You don't have that anymore. They can do
Speaker 2: whatever they want didn't. So what are those organizations showing
Speaker 2: us With this kind of technology, As we were saying,
Speaker 2: both in magazines and photographs and videos, they could manipulate
Speaker 2: absolutely everything. There's no way to know what is real
Speaker 2: and what isn't unless you are there. And even so,
Speaker 2: if you are there, it might be an illusion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some even something recently I saw on Instagram.
Speaker 1: There was somebody I get, you know, like this post
Speaker 1: or real about like and this person was at many
Speaker 1: There was some dude who had an OnlyFans account that
Speaker 1: actually was all AI women. None of it was real.
Speaker 1: None of it was real.
Speaker 2: It was a guy making a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there is not one.
Speaker 1: I ready.
Speaker 2: There's seven or eight making on the on the hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars a year and more with this
Speaker 2: Look what is considered to be the biggest upcoming market
Speaker 2: in the planet. It's a female or a male companion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's people are investing billions to develop these creatures that
Speaker 2: are shown in these shows as as just someone that
Speaker 2: you could put on your desk, receiving guests or whatever.
Speaker 2: But in truth, what they are truly the developing is
Speaker 2: something that could eradicate the need of a partner. It's
Speaker 2: the perfect partner. It's always happy. It can prepare food,
Speaker 2: he can clean the house, he can do all of
Speaker 2: those stuff including the rest. So that's the highest profitable
Speaker 2: business at this moment, not to what is being said
Speaker 2: it is, but that is the most profitable business at
Speaker 2: this moment that is being developed.
Speaker 1: I have seen recently. It's funny that you bring that up.
Speaker 1: I've seen recently people sharing like this news article where
Speaker 1: it gets said, you know, who knows how truthful it is,
Speaker 1: but supposedly they did like a survey and they're saying
Speaker 1: that like most single men right now just due to
Speaker 1: the way the world is, and not even looking to
Speaker 1: dat if they're single, because I don't even want to
Speaker 1: deal with the aggravation. So like you're already starting to see,
Speaker 1: like you know, people kind of back off from relationships
Speaker 1: with humans just due to like you got a question,
Speaker 1: is this person crazy? Because of COVID recently. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just so many there's been so many things handed
Speaker 1: to us to do, who separate us from them for
Speaker 1: ideologies and stuff. It's like I at this point, it's
Speaker 1: like people gotta like walk around eggs shells to even
Speaker 1: have a relationship, you know, do I got to worry
Speaker 1: about offending them by coming out and saying something they
Speaker 1: didn't like on the second or third day.
Speaker 2: Sure, and how shallow were so many relations that without
Speaker 2: COVID didn't they didn't realize they hated each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because when they were closed in one house in Portugal,
Speaker 2: for instance, there was a brutal number of divorces and
Speaker 2: separations because they were forced to live in the same
Speaker 2: house for twenty four hours a day. They couldn't stand
Speaker 2: each other after a few hours quite because they go
Speaker 2: to work, they get out, and so they only see
Speaker 2: themselves at dinner and weekends. When they were faced with
Speaker 2: the reality of who each one of them were, they
Speaker 2: couldn't live with one another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's right. During that time, I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of people either breakup over COVID ideologies, political ideologies,
Speaker 1: you know, someone turning into conspiracy theorists. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: aload even say during that time that was even relationships
Speaker 1: didn't do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in regardless what you said, even family got
Speaker 2: break apart because ones believed one singing another.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I saw that happen. I mean that
Speaker 1: kind of happened with a little bit of my family
Speaker 1: to a certain extents. So I could definitely see how
Speaker 1: you're saying that. I'm like, that is interesting because I
Speaker 1: have been seeing there supposedly people aren't dating as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you see all the measures in place to
Speaker 2: prevent that from happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah know exactly. So like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: I could like, damn, like they've already put us in
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, they put us in that that that
Speaker 1: we're going towards that trajectory. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, the first maneuver was to put the woman or
Speaker 2: the father that was taking care of the children at work.
Speaker 2: The second move was to put children since three months
Speaker 2: old into institutions and not with the parents, right. The
Speaker 2: third movement was to start ridiculalizing the parents. You see
Speaker 2: everywhere in the cartoons this TV series for children, the
Speaker 2: parents are always as stupid, particularly the father is the dumbast.
Speaker 1: Ask oh, you've noticed that, right.
Speaker 2: So that interesting and then it came the rainbow. So
Speaker 2: we destroyed every value, every family value that could exist.
Speaker 2: And now it's the young ones that bring this paradigm
Speaker 2: of the rainbow showing everyone else is wrong that doesn't
Speaker 2: sink like them. This is a linear process into one goals.
Speaker 2: And obviously you don't have as many people dating because
Speaker 2: first of all, they don't know which side they should
Speaker 2: date or how they're going to be judged by it.
Speaker 2: They need to know what class they wish to identify
Speaker 2: to and include themselves into. And there's a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: When Danny, all you have to think is do I
Speaker 2: like her? Or do I like him? And that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for real, it's definitely gotten screwed up out there.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that, I'm like, damn, you're right, I
Speaker 1: can see that coming to be eventually.
Speaker 2: Oh unless unless people wake up, for instance, we might
Speaker 2: be in luck with all you youd Let's see. Let's
Speaker 2: let's see if they have finally waked up from Disney
Speaker 2: hasn't of course, but an Amazon hasn't too. But that
Speaker 2: might be a chance that someone in allihood starts deciding
Speaker 2: to cut this ridiculous writers and this minority of people
Speaker 2: that are not making movies. They are just producing agendas.
Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, they're just tools. Now they're magical tools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So why did they had to destroy every single
Speaker 2: gigantic franchise? Think about it. You have a franchise with
Speaker 2: millions and millions of people that give their homes to
Speaker 2: watch what you produce and what you do. You say, oh,
Speaker 2: you see all these expanded universe that you had along
Speaker 2: with the movies, Well that doesn't count anymore. We're creating
Speaker 2: a new one. And then they come up with a
Speaker 2: movie that starts immediately going against everything that was said
Speaker 2: before it. And I might be talking about Star Wars,
Speaker 2: I might be talking about Star Trek, I might be
Speaker 2: talking about Lord of the Rings, all of them. This
Speaker 2: happened to all of those franchise. They completely obliterated everything
Speaker 2: that was and subverted everything. I have people telling me
Speaker 2: that Superman now is gay, that that Batman is dating
Speaker 2: Robin and this is happening in the comics. What the
Speaker 2: heck is going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's slip flopped. It's very weird.
Speaker 2: So if this hasn't to purpose, it isn't accidental.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that even came with removing stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, the whole George Floyd ship companies weremoving things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know only a few of them did it,
Speaker 1: but you know all that stuff that whole time is
Speaker 1: all about ideologies and getting people to start identifying with
Speaker 1: certain things and to create separation.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that guy Sorrows financing the whatever that movement was?
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably be LM.
Speaker 2: So if you find where the money is coming from,
Speaker 2: you know who is controlling the movement. And obviously there
Speaker 2: is a lot of people out there that are repressed,
Speaker 2: that are frustrated. They have a lot of anger in them,
Speaker 2: and if they have the opportunity to go and bust
Speaker 2: some windows and steal some stuff, of course they will.
Speaker 2: They don't care about the agenda. It's party time. So right, Well, look,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much your time you have, so
Speaker 2: I we better cut it here. It was a real,
Speaker 2: real pleasure.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that long already. A yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was great man. Thank you, Thank you again. I
Speaker 1: always love just having a conversation with you. So I
Speaker 1: had a great time.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So if you want to plug your stuff,
Speaker 2: good now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Occult Rejects. It's on bit shoot, Rumble YouTube
Speaker 1: and all major podcasts, And we have a Cult Research
Speaker 1: Institute that is just like a bunch of the people
Speaker 1: from the Cult Rejects and a couple of other shows
Speaker 1: that posts up, you know, some stuff that they want
Speaker 1: to contribute. It's mostly uh, if you're into reading, it's
Speaker 1: a good website to check out. There's a lot to
Speaker 1: read on there. But yeah, yeah, that's the website, Accult
Speaker 1: Research Institute dot org.
Speaker 2: Okay, continue, stop dude.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah that and then that's about it. I got
Speaker 1: that in the Occult rejec again on all major podcasts,
Speaker 1: bitch you brumble on YouTube. That's a battle. Thank you, sir, Thank.
Speaker 2: You very much. Look, I strongly recommend everyone too, not
Speaker 2: only to follow on X. How is your at an X?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think it's outside of like a cult friends,
Speaker 1: I can uh yeah, I think it's it's a cult.
Speaker 1: Friends is the ad for Twitter. Okay, if you look
Speaker 1: up the Occult reject you'll find it, I think.
Speaker 2: Anyway, and do give this channel a watch and a
Speaker 2: follow up because always were guests except when I'm in it.
Speaker 1: Actually, you'll be on later today tonight.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so. Thank you very much, Nick for being with us.
Speaker 2: It was awesome and don't go away. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say very fun farewell to you all. Thank you very much,