WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something is going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:18.399 That's how I help you. 4 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:28.120 Hello and welcome to another institute for the Natal Philosophy talks. 5 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.600 Today I am with Nick, better known as the voice 6 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.079 behind the Occult Rejects. So, first of all, thank you 7 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:38.640 very much for accepting my invitation. I was honored many 8 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.560 times to be on your show, and I didn't had 9 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:46.039 returned the courtesy, but even if not, I would be 10 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.280 very interested in talking to you either way. So I 11 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.399 think for those that don't know you the best, the 12 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.240 first thing to ask you is what led you to 13 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.399 create the Occult Rejects and how has been your experience. 14 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.880 Well, first of all, thank you very much for asking me. 15 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.520 It's always a pleasure to have you on sure and 16 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:04.519 we learn a lot from you and I really appreciate 17 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:04.959 what you do. 18 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:05.959 Thank you. 19 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.959 What started me to have the Occult Rejects, I guess 20 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.840 long story short is that at some point I did 21 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.879 join a secret society. I was interested in magic and 22 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.640 the occult and I wanted to learn about it, so 23 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.920 I eventually joined the OTO, the Auto Temple Orientus. I 24 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:28.040 lasted about five or six years and started to think 25 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:31.920 that it wasn't necessarily what everybody thinks magic is, and 26 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:34.959 I just felt that it was It wasn't a place 27 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.040 for me, and it gave an image that was a 28 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.840 complete opposite of what I was working towards. So for me, 29 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.840 I just thought there was something wrong with that image, 30 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:46.400 and I left, and I wanted to start a podcast 31 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.280 on like, I guess my experience with magic and secret 32 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.400 societies and maybe how not everything is as it seems, 33 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.159 and I do think the occult is in our faces 34 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.159 much more than most people would realize. So I started 35 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.799 a show by my called The NY Patriots Show, where 36 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.719 I just kind of covered my experience in the OTO 37 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.000 and somebody, a fan, had listened to the episode and 38 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.759 had hit me up and told me their story that 39 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:11.360 they were in the Golden Dorn at one point and 40 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.000 they had left, and I had the guest on and 41 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.080 they told their story, and me and him ended up 42 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.199 saying like, why don't we start another show together, and 43 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.520 we started The Occult Rejects and that lasted about a 44 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.599 year and a half, and then eventually he had left 45 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.159 and moved on, and then I brought on other people 46 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.479 because I didn't want to show to stop and it's 47 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.360 grown to about, you know, average, probably about ten people 48 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:39.560 that I rotate throughout the show. But yeah, long story short, that's. 49 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:41.680 Where the name comes from, Occult Rejects because you rejected. 50 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:45.360 The Secret Society. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly, 51 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:47.599 And I will I will give credit to Lux. He 52 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:50.039 was the one who did come up with the name, 53 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:51.960 and I loved it. So I was like, listen, I 54 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.039 didn't want to stress coming up with a podcast name. 55 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:55.639 And he was like, what about the Occult Rejects, like 56 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:57.199 right away? And I was like, you know what, it 57 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:58.960 sounds great. I don't want to I don't want to 58 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.080 stress myself over coming up with the name. We'll just 59 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:02.000 go with that one, my man. 60 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:06.719 Sure. And now that you have that inside experience, do 61 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.599 you talk to all of these people in that area? 62 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.759 How would you describe how it is included in our 63 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.199 society and yet not seen by most people? 64 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.520 Uh? I mean, it's stuff, just real. I mean I 65 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:25.599 think a lot of people tend to think that, like 66 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.840 these secret societies really aren't you Neither they don't exist 67 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.800 or they're not that. I don't know how to explain it, 68 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.240 but I will say it is very from my experience, 69 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.639 it's very easy to find these places as long as 70 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.960 you're actually googling the name and trying to look for it. 71 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:42.800 They do exist, and there are probably a lot more 72 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:48.800 out there that most people think. My opinion most of 73 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.800 these secret societies is due to my experience in the Oto. 74 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:54.479 I do think that a lot of them may actually 75 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:58.080 have some sort of agenda too, believe it or not. 76 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.800 And I'm not trying to make it sound spiratorial or negative, 77 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.199 but I do think a lot of them at some 78 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.280 point as you're going up, it's not so much about like, oh, 79 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:09.719 it is a little bit about what you know, but 80 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:11.960 I think it starts going into like what you're into, 81 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:16.160 and maybe a there might be a mission somewhere, something 82 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.879 that they're trying to achieve. Like I do think the 83 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.240 Oto has something that they're trying to achieve. You know, 84 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:23.920 there is a game, there is an endgame for, or 85 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.360 there's something that there's a reason for their existence besides 86 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.399 you know, just having people there. I think they're trying 87 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.519 to do something. 88 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.560 And is that something that you can elaborate or you prefer, 89 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:35.160 you know. 90 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.040 I my opinion, there's a book out there called The 91 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.560 Secret Rituals of the OTO. It's on a PDF. You 92 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.120 can find it on a PDF form. And from my 93 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.519 experience from the initiations I have done, what I the 94 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.360 initiations that are in there that I've done were accurate. 95 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.839 So from looking at that book and looking at initiations 96 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:58.959 higher up and from what I've been told in the OTO, 97 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.439 one of the initiations does talk about trying to put 98 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.439 a demon into the homo oculous before the ego returns. 99 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.199 So my opinion, I think they're actually trying to stick 100 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.759 something in somebody's brain why their soul slipped out having 101 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.519 a magical experience. And I don't find that that's a 102 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:20.839 little weird. 103 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.800 And that's voluntary or they you know. 104 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:27.079 The whole thing is is that even with the OTO, 105 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.720 when I had taken the second degree initiation, after the initiation, 106 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.240 they will go over things that are needed for you 107 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.319 to keep moving up in other degrees or things that 108 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.319 you could take also as service. And they had mentioned 109 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.519 at first off, after the fourth degree you cannot ask 110 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.560 to go any higher. They have to ask you. But 111 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.360 it was the seventh or eighth degree where they said 112 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.639 that you will actually sign overall your property to the OTO. 113 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.160 So will now not in your property to them. 114 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.759 Yeah, so I was like, oh, this is a cult now. 115 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.319 So it's like they know what they call scientology, the 116 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:05.160 right of the same. Yeah. 117 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.160 I had somebody on the show who is also in 118 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:12.199 the OTO long time, you know guys in og He 119 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.720 had went up pretty high and he had said that 120 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.040 once you make it to the tenth degree, that everything 121 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.800 that everybody in the seventh or eighth disperses and gives 122 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:23.839 becomes yours now. So like if they don't move up 123 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:25.759 and they stay in that degree, the people hire at 124 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.639 the tenth actually own their stuff. Now, I'm like, this 125 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:32.240 is getting weird now. That's I was like, so is 126 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:37.720 this a pyramid scheme? That's exactly what I thought. But 127 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.560 between that and like I've seen, there's even people and 128 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.399 other degrees. You know, from what I've seen and from 129 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.399 what I've been told, you may even have to Like 130 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.079 I've seen people with crosses carved into their chest supposedly 131 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:53.480 are burnt into their chest. Supposedly that is a fifth 132 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:58.639 degree initiation for the females. And that's a little crazy. 133 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:00.680 Females. 134 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.639 Yeah. Yeah, And there was a couple of women there 135 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.439 that I did see, uh, did have that on them. 136 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.120 So that's really weird stuff. 137 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:14.399 Yeah, like the Rosicrucion cross on their chest and that 138 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:16.319 even that's another thing that even makes me think that 139 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.560 it's actually a Rosicrucian order. I do think the OTO 140 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.160 is actually a Rosicrucian order, and it's just not blatantly advertised. 141 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.959 But do you think it's a corrupt I. 142 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.639 Think at this point. I think at this point now unfortunately, 143 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.399 even if there was anything pure and you know, good 144 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.439 behind it, I think it's been corrupted and taken over. 145 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:39.480 I mean the to Hooty Lodge, which was the lodge 146 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.759 that I went to in Queens, they knew for a 147 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.920 fact at one point the FBI was there. They ended 148 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.120 up finding out that the FBI was checking out the place. 149 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.319 Who's to say they left if they did their job right, 150 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:52.920 If they did their job right, did you think they 151 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.560 left exactly? Now? The CIA is probably in. 152 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.839 That CIA is running the Yeah, Honestly. 153 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.160 I sometimes wonder, man, I really did wonder. Well. 154 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:10.560 I wouldn't be surprised if they are behind the creation 155 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.040 of some of those kinds of movements. So this is 156 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.920 all a great social experiment, so it always has been. 157 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.120 So yeah. Well, plus I also think the CIA is 158 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.439 it would be interested in actual real occultists and magicians. 159 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:25.720 I do think they would actually be interested in people 160 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:27.240 like that, so it may be worth them to even 161 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.079 have these orders to find people like that. You know, 162 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.639 they always seem to be using I mean, they used 163 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.360 Alice the Crowley, you know what I'm saying. He was 164 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.240 he was. I say, you know, they love using magicians 165 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.240 as as secret agents. 166 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.360 It seems like, well, we know that they tried to 167 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.799 use remote viewing and that kind of stuff in the 168 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.759 sixties seventies. I don't know if they continued through the 169 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:57.080 eighties and nineties. But forgive me, but are you all right? Yeah, yeah, 170 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.720 that was a big but but I don't doubt it 171 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.159 that they do it. But now that you have been 172 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:08.639 inside that world, did you notice any difference being a 173 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.279 citizen in the streets? Did you start seeing things that 174 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.399 you didn't see before? Although they are in right in 175 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.120 front of us, but we don't see it because we 176 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.159 don't recognize what they are telling, like we are here 177 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:20.840 or this is. 178 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:25.360 Our or that happened to me when I had stopped, 179 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.360 I like seriously stopped going to the place. And that 180 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.799 was another thing too, like when I was. I was 181 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.200 being into conspiracy theories, which is what kind of led 182 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.399 me into getting into the occult and then interested in 183 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.639 figuring it out. I had stopped like listening to all 184 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.159 that conspiracy stuff, and when I was in the OTO 185 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.480 is if I listened to podcasts, really watched anything on YouTube, 186 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.159 it was always a cult related or magic related. So 187 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.159 I was kind of out of the conspiracy theory world. 188 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:54.159 But like when I left the OTO and started going 189 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.360 back to like unfortunately paying attention to politics and just 190 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.240 stuff on the internet, I was like, yo, I was like, 191 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.200 the symbolisms all over the place. I was like, where 192 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.879 have I been. I was like the stuff coming out 193 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.879 of the mounths that the hand signs they make, the 194 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.039 g justice they make, some of the color schemes. I'm like, yo, 195 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.720 it's like so blaint. Especially the twenty twenty election. I 196 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.720 think that was just like ridiculously occult. And I was 197 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:19.679 just like blaring to me, and I was like, there's 198 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.600 another reason why we started the show, because I was like, 199 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.080 it's quite obvious this stuff is in our face now 200 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.360 to me, and I didn't I didn't even notice it 201 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:32.320 six years ago myself. I was like, it's pretty blatant. 202 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.240 Yeah, it's in the logos of corporations. It's it's a 203 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:45.559 street symbolism. It's like wearing those glasses of the film 204 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:49.320 that they live. I think that's the name of the film. 205 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:53.679 So it's quite the extreme, and I believe that that's 206 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.120 actually why so many people that become to start to 207 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:04.600 become aware of this for the blue pill, because they 208 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.320 prefer the uncomplicated version of things because it works, and 209 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.039 so it works. Let's let's not try to see where 210 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.600 are the strings and where are the puppeteers, and because 211 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:21.759 that would eradicate the dream of being a life of living, 212 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.240 a life of being in control of their lives, which 213 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:30.879 actually it's it's much more complicated than that. What you 214 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:36.879 would you describe to be in your progress in the podcast? 215 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:41.799 What would you be described to be your most shocking 216 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.840 experience in podcasting? 217 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:46.840 My most shocking experience of podcasting. 218 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.639 Yeah, a guest that come to you and told you 219 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.360 a story that you are not ready for. 220 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.720 Oh yeah, you know that that actually happened not too 221 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.519 long ago. Well, I mean I will have to say it, 222 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:02.440 and not because I'm on your show, but I mean 223 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.120 there's been some stuff that you've actually brought on the 224 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.559 show already. That's blowing my mind and pretty impressive. But 225 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.000 I did have I did have had guests on one time. 226 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.120 Carl Abrahamson. He he was an ex OTO member, he 227 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:17.720 was a tenth degree. He wrote a book on me. 228 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:22.759 He had met Kenneth Anger, who was the the Typhony 229 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.440 in Order. He had met Anton Levey, and he had 230 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.559 met Genesis p Orridge. And these are all major occultists. 231 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:29.639 You know. 232 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.919 Anton LaVey is in the Church of Satan, so he 233 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.639 had a book like of his experience meeting all these people. 234 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.240 And Genesis p Orridge is like part of like the 235 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:40.519 Process Church. I mean, guy's like basically one of the 236 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.360 people running. And he was on the show and now 237 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.840 we were interviewing him for the book. I wasn't trying 238 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.879 to come at him as a conspiracy theorist, agrillam. I 239 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.799 was just really interested. I want to hear what this 240 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.240 guy's story is. You met these people that everybody talk about, 241 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.720 you know, And he was just I guess because he 242 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.279 was relaxed, and he wasn't you know, wasn't coming at him. 243 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.480 He just got a little bit open and he started 244 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:04.360 going on about how him and Genesis p Orge, with 245 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:10.000 ritual and surgery, are actually trying to create non binary people. 246 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.240 And I was like, yo, you just said what, Like 247 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.360 it's real, Like you hear things about this in conspiracy world, 248 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.720 but I just had somebody on my show Legit tell 249 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:21.679 me that that's what they're doing. 250 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.200 And I was like, Yo, they're doing it syirisically. 251 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.759 Surgically and ritual. Then they're using rituals too. I mean, 252 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.320 it was a little bit ago. I think me and 253 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.399 Lisa tried to ask him a little bit more than that, 254 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.840 but we didn't want to make it obvious that we 255 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:38.960 were like, Yo, what did you just say, dude, and 256 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.559 started hammering them with questions because it really did take 257 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.600 us off guard. We weren't expecting to hear that. Well, 258 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:45.799 that put me away. 259 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:51.840 There is this meeting I believe in the sixties. I 260 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:58.240 believe that after the reporters had the their go there 261 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:04.240 was a last minute question and that that was asked 262 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:08.440 to the guy that was speaking and he sold, okay, 263 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.600 so shut down the recorders and I can tell you this. 264 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.360 One of the things that we are going to do 265 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.039 is we are going to bake boys and girls the same. 266 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.200 And we started seeing that, uh, in the last in 267 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.559 the last decade, because they don't plan to the next hour. 268 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.360 They plan well, and this is is something that has 269 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:40.159 been moving and pushed and pushed. But uh, yeah that 270 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.919 that would be a shock to actually hear someone to 271 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.480 say it in your face. We are actually doing this. 272 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.639 So what's the purpose? 273 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.720 Yeah, you know, I be totally honest with you. I 274 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:55.240 don't remember if we even asked him that. I think 275 00:14:55.240 --> 00:15:00.159 I was so so shocked. I was just like, what, Yeah, yeah, 276 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:04.159 I that is interesting. What the purpose is for that? Yeah, 277 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.639 but it does seem to be and I do think 278 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:10.519 sometimes it has to do with kind of like the 279 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.399 idea of the hermaphrodite is a symbol for a hold, 280 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.360 which is the sphere where mercury, a toath of Hermes 281 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.320 would fall on the cabalistic trio of life. So sometimes 282 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.600 I do think it's even a reference to that to 283 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.360 an extent. Sometimes, like the whole idea of that that 284 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.200 sphere in Cabbala. I guess they're trying to access that 285 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.360 or something. I don't know. 286 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:42.000 Well, I would put it into first of all, it's 287 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:46.720 a very effective anti birth system. 288 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.320 Oh yeah, besides that, yes, besides the audience. 289 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:54.840 So we can go to a very simple eugenics. That's 290 00:15:54.840 --> 00:16:00.399 how it's called, right, yep, eugenics of basis. Then these 291 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:05.080 people tend to be much more vulnerable than the rest 292 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.080 of the population, so they are easier to manipulate and 293 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:13.399 to drive because these people are always looking for a fight. 294 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:19.799 There's always looking tote it. It's like that John Cleese 295 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:24.000 seeing that how to be an extermist and the advantage 296 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:28.120 of being an extermist because you have all of these enemies, 297 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.440 either you choose right or left, you have all of 298 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.200 these enemies that you can justify your being angry and 299 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.080 sat and screaming, because if these people didn't exist, you'll 300 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.360 be completely normal, right. And I love how he ends 301 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:46.600 the clip saying, and this way people don't realize the 302 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:50.480 pathetic psychopath that you really are. 303 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.320 So but. 304 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.600 One of the things that intrigued me in this is 305 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.879 when you speak about magic. I would like you to 306 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.519 explain because a lot of people confuse illusionism with magic, 307 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.359 and to me, they are completely different things. Because what 308 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:15.079 most people think it's magic, it's actually illusionism. And yes 309 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.599 it's not magic. Magic is black stuff, right, how would 310 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:20.400 you describe it? 311 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.319 Yeah, I think you nailed it right on the head 312 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:29.839 with that Ricardo. Illusionary magic, Uh, not too ugh. I 313 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.839 don't think it's like really a problem with censorship. But 314 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:33.119 in my opinion, I are trying not to use the 315 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.400 word too much. But Nazis, I do think illusionary magic 316 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:42.599 is very much exactly what like Nazism or Nazi I 317 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.359 do think that is a form of magic in itself 318 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.680 where you are presenting stuff to the public and it's 319 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:50.960 not exactly what you think it is, and it's like 320 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.920 striking fear and terror into people. It is the whole 321 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.680 thing of like the rabbit and a hat. Look at 322 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:00.880 this and focus on this and don't notice the other 323 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:01.720 things going on. 324 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.240 I think you're not talking about Nazis. They're talking about 325 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.240 the news network. 326 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:09.759 Yeah, well yeah, but that's all. Yeah. But my whole 327 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:11.799 thing is is I think they actually got that from 328 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:17.160 Nazi magic. I think they've perfected it. Yeah, and one 329 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.160 real like real quick way. I'll even explain that like 330 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.240 real fast. When we were having problems in Ukraine, I 331 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.319 guess we still are. At the beginning of the war, 332 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.160 all news stations it was CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, all 333 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:32.799 of them didn't matter if it was left or right. 334 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.000 You were getting a lot of footage that when the 335 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.759 news gives footage, at least in the United States, it 336 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.319 normally will tell you on the image who was supplied by. 337 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.680 I think they have to and a lot of them 338 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.200 are so supplied by Azof Battalion. Azoff Battalion is a 339 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.240 far right Nazi battalion that's in Ukraine. So we have 340 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.799 people in Ukraine that are Nazis are handing us the 341 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.160 images and telling us what's going on over there. That's 342 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.079 magic because I guarantee you there's some bullshit and the 343 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.240 images were being shown or it's being taken out of context. 344 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.640 You take ten seconds out of one hundred and twenty seconds, 345 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.519 you can really manipulate and tell the story, you know 346 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.480 what I'm saying, Because you don't have the before and after, 347 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.160 you'll just tell people this is what happened. Yeah, So 348 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.880 I do think that is exactly what you're saying. Like 349 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.559 the whole illusionary magic, and I do think that is 350 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.880 black magic where you start manipulating the people to get 351 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.000 what you want. You're starting to push your will onto others. 352 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.519 Real magic and magic that I don't think most people 353 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.960 will take into consideration. Or believe that exists, and it 354 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.839 doesn't sound, as I guess, as scary or as crazy, 355 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.680 but in my opinion, it is to actually have a 356 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.440 spiritual experience with one's self from God. I mean, anybody 357 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.240 that I knew that took this stuff serious and wasn't 358 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.160 LARPing or just in a bad stage in their life 359 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:57.079 and just wanted to be edgy. That is the idea 360 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.319 of what the magician is actually supposed to do. Especially 361 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.319 if you're working Withbala, You're supposed to be going up 362 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.240 the tree to have an experience with God by yourself. 363 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:10.160 And in my opinion, I do believe that I've had 364 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.400 those experiences across the Abyss, and it was the idea 365 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.039 of magic. Even then once I had that experience, was 366 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.359 not really what I thought it was. It's something much 367 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.640 more beyond a little bit more scarier. If you start 368 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:26.400 thinking about what might be going on, you might have 369 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.680 to start questioning reality and physics, probably what you've been 370 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.359 told growing up to make any sense. How do I 371 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.839 make sense of this? If I've been told this isn't possible, 372 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.440 so like it. To me, it's it's a little bit 373 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.759 more definite. You're going my opinion experience that I have had, 374 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.519 the whole death and rebirth might actually be much more 375 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.880 literal than I think people believe too. I do think 376 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.119 and even from experiences for myself, and I've had to 377 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.079 go to the hospital after messing with magic a few times. 378 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:01.880 Do you think there is something going on physically? I 379 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.160 do think your soul is actually starting to slip out 380 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.400 the back of your head and you're going somewhere else. 381 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.000 I did it a few times in one week, and 382 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.400 I physically felt bad and thought something was happening. So 383 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.359 I went to the hospital and like there was actually changes. 384 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.240 I had issues with my blood that never was a 385 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.640 problem again. My hemoglobin was jacked up and they had 386 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:23.160 to give me a bag of saline and a bag 387 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:27.240 of blood and for weeks. And this happens anytime I 388 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.519 ever have a magical experience. My pupils change. One gets 389 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.119 big and the other one gets smaller every time. So 390 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:35.960 there's something going on with inside my body. 391 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.359 Well, and are you sure you're doing it properly? 392 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:45.039 I think so. I mean I'm just meditating. I'm not 393 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:47.160 even casting circles or anything. I just close my eyes 394 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:47.640 and meditate. 395 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.119 Because if it affected your blood, it is because of 396 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:58.119 some kind of imbalance that I presume is related to 397 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:04.119 frequency that you achieve instead of being uh something actual physical. 398 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:06.400 I had wondered if there's something that maybe you burn 399 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.920 up and utilize in your blood when you do this stuff. Yeah, 400 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.680 I mean that just sound cheesy, but it's just kind 401 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.279