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Speaker 2: They're good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iron the Ball here
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Speaker 2: me today is my Tuesday guy, Dave Silver and we
Speaker 2: got our guy Ryan as well, my Tuesday guy. Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Do you want to continue to beat a dead horse?
Speaker 2: What's what's that? What's the horse? It's a horse that
Speaker 2: got beat by Texas Tech. Oh okay, save a horse,
Speaker 2: rad a cowboy.
Speaker 3: Pretty impressive performance for them to come into town and
Speaker 3: do what they did. Was it that or was it
Speaker 3: the other way around where the other guys couldn't got
Speaker 3: the turnover graituation right?
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think you can bring up
Speaker 2: a point, whether it's by accident or whatever. But you're
Speaker 2: right because it takes two right two teams. Texas Tate
Speaker 2: played pretty well. Texas Tech and what I say, I
Speaker 2: don't know Texas State, that's what is out like Texas
Speaker 2: Tech plaid pretty well. That side is not being ignored
Speaker 2: by those who know UH and Arizona didn't play that well,
Speaker 2: but you know the Texas had to play well to
Speaker 2: get to to get the win. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the Wildcats had those turnovers, and especially
Speaker 3: was sad because it was a couple of their best
Speaker 3: players who've been so good for the last few years.
Speaker 3: Kind of a shame it came down to that, right,
Speaker 3: But yeah, you can't have turnovers, and that's basically what
Speaker 3: cost them the game because they had more yards, they
Speaker 3: had the ball a lot longer, they just could not
Speaker 3: convert and obviously they were just kicking field goals most
Speaker 3: of the game instead of scoring touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I brought the two guys up. You know,
Speaker 2: when you can't rely in your guarantees, it's trouble. The
Speaker 2: capes were not there with with t Mac and the loop, right,
Speaker 2: you kind of depend on them. What you messed up?
Speaker 2: That never happens. Yeah, and Noah.
Speaker 3: But two interceptions interceptions the three key guys. Yeah, those
Speaker 3: because Arizona's counted on all all along the last couple
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 2: And maybe you think, if you're an Arizona fan, it's
Speaker 2: a one off. But that's not the disheartening part of
Speaker 2: this concerning part uh is the is the the thought
Speaker 2: that he said that they don't even know what they're
Speaker 2: doing running. Yeah, you know, it's like the three students,
Speaker 2: whyse guy, you know how they go in those in
Speaker 2: those directions. Yeah, and he kind of explained it a
Speaker 2: little bit more. But everybody's doing it apparently, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to fix that sooner than later. But you've
Speaker 2: been here longer than me, Dave. You've lived it, you've
Speaker 2: seen it, you've kind of defend it in your your
Speaker 2: capacity of being working for the UBI. That and I
Speaker 2: say this a thousand times. People are probably listening to
Speaker 2: shut up Steve. When they don't expect to win, they
Speaker 2: get it. When you don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 2: they lose it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of the beauty of sports, especially at
Speaker 3: Arizona in the last fifty years. It seems like those
Speaker 3: games that they don't always expect to get the victory.
Speaker 3: They'll go out to USC and win a football game,
Speaker 3: right a b YU this week, and who knows what's
Speaker 3: going to happen to Utah? Go to Utah and do
Speaker 3: what they did a couple of weeks ago. So it's
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of the nature of sports. I'm sure
Speaker 3: Texas Tech probably, who knows how they felt coming in
Speaker 3: They were had a good record, they were underdogs and
Speaker 3: you know they held their own right.
Speaker 2: No, and there's no better team that's an underdog than Arizona.
Speaker 2: We're also no worse team as a favorite, yeah, than Arizona. Well.
Speaker 2: The funny thing too, I guess I know.
Speaker 3: I think it was Brian Peterson and one of the
Speaker 3: local guys mentioned how yeah we have He's talked about
Speaker 3: how they that was the number one twiss that loss
Speaker 3: after they beat a top ten time, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: We talked to that was the number one tweet and
Speaker 2: I told her that that was the tweet of the
Speaker 2: night because it's true. Let me tell you if you
Speaker 2: did that for basketball as basketball, guess what you'd find
Speaker 2: the same thing. How in the world do you explain
Speaker 2: ninety seven and then come back and say, how do
Speaker 2: you explain ninety eight? Yeah? Same difference, Yeah, same same situation.
Speaker 3: When you're when you are the favorite team and you've
Speaker 3: knocked off all kinds of you know, good teams ahead
Speaker 3: of that, and then all of a sudden you turn
Speaker 3: around laying egg. It's just kind of kind of the
Speaker 3: nature of sports sometimes, especially when you're dealing with you know,
Speaker 3: eighteen to twenty two.
Speaker 2: Year olds, right right, I think it happens as you
Speaker 2: get older. But you're right. I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: big head, we can get this, don't worry, we can
Speaker 2: do this, don't worry. And then what happens, Well, you
Speaker 2: start to worry when you're down by ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, they had their chances, and they
Speaker 3: did make a nice comeback and actually take the lead,
Speaker 3: and then it just kind of evaporated there when they
Speaker 3: really had a chance to put them away. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully they'll learn from this and we'll forget
Speaker 3: about it and see what happens in the next month
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 2: So I said this history, So, Dave, how many learning
Speaker 2: lessons do you need six weeks in? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I sound like a coach. I don't know. They well,
Speaker 2: that's the ya all, they'll learn from this. Well, really,
Speaker 2: how do you know for sure that they're going to
Speaker 2: learn from this? I think you were with me last
Speaker 2: week and I said, I said to Mike yesterday and
Speaker 2: the week before. Okay, they're they're three and two, four
Speaker 2: and two? What are they? What? I three and two. Whatever?
Speaker 2: Do you trust this team? Do you trust going into
Speaker 2: last week? Do you trust this team? Paid three mediocre games,
Speaker 2: got beat by badly by Kenn State, then they paid
Speaker 2: really well against you Testes. So you have that in
Speaker 2: front of you. It's like a racing form, right, Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe this horse can do it. And you think, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I want to put my money on
Speaker 2: this horse, you know, raging Bull, because I don't think
Speaker 2: he's a rage here, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Caught me off guard this week. I think everybody in
Speaker 3: the stadium was excited. He was the The eight pm
Speaker 3: starting time made made things for a very long night.
Speaker 3: I mean I was actually there. I have to admit
Speaker 3: I stayed until the last turnover for the There was
Speaker 3: like a minute and a half to go. They still
Speaker 3: scored another touch.
Speaker 2: That's good, but.
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah, I mean it was it was a long
Speaker 3: night and I think everybody, I think the majority of
Speaker 3: the people there had high hopes going in and sure
Speaker 3: the way it was, They're coming off, you know, one
Speaker 3: of their biggest wins in a while, and you know,
Speaker 3: home game got a lot ahead of them though, got
Speaker 3: homecoming and on a family weekend and ASU, so there's
Speaker 3: still a lot more to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't trust this team. I don't. I just
Speaker 2: don't not. You know, I am a racing form guy.
Speaker 2: You look at the past performances and doesn't give you
Speaker 2: hope that they're going to do well. And they could
Speaker 2: prove me wrong, of course, because you have upsets and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But if they win this weekend, that
Speaker 2: too won't shock me.
Speaker 3: Right, right, I mean they're going up there. I assume
Speaker 3: there is. I haven't even looked at the spread.
Speaker 4: What for?
Speaker 2: That's it? Wow?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, so that's that's good.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Fox Sports is going to be there with their right
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Speaker 3: Kickoff or something.
Speaker 2: That's interesting that they picked that game. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right. With all the other games going on, maybe
Speaker 2: ESPN had control of the other ones. Yeah, because you're right.
Speaker 2: This weekend's a huge weekend with Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, State State. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's just a couple of them, Mississippi.
Speaker 3: This was a weekend a lot of people have been
Speaker 3: talking about coming, you know, into the season, like, wow,
Speaker 3: look at the slate of game. So you know, Arizona
Speaker 3: getting some good, good coverage. They'll be in on on
Speaker 3: Fox all by themselves, not at eleven o'clock Eastern time.
Speaker 2: Well pm, we'll see if it's let's see if it's
Speaker 2: good coverage, because I don't know if you want to
Speaker 2: see them, because if they don't show up, they're gonna
Speaker 2: say what's up with that? And then they did the
Speaker 2: other night when they've been on Friday Night in ESPN.
Speaker 2: This this team was right. They had the whole nation
Speaker 2: nation watching that, right, right, and I think the whole
Speaker 2: nation kind of turned away at the halftime a little
Speaker 2: after halftime. Yeah, so we'll see. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to poop pull them all the time, but but after
Speaker 2: performances like that, what else can we say? I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: this is what we do in this business. You kind
Speaker 2: of evaluate, you know, the Monday morning quarterback, the Tuesday
Speaker 2: morning quarterback or afternoon quarterback. What do you say? What
Speaker 2: was what was good? What good came out of it? Loop?
Speaker 3: Well, Loop was was really good until who's that? Until
Speaker 3: until well he missed one late and that kind of
Speaker 3: I forget that would have put Arizona head by what five?
Speaker 3: Maybe I can't remember. Exactly what the circumstance was. That
Speaker 3: would have been a big one.
Speaker 2: What the hell do I know? Couldn't even say Texas dead.
Speaker 3: Just I mean, I was like flashing back to Dick
Speaker 3: Tony all those Well he was great kickers.
Speaker 2: Here, well yeah, plus but he was a master of
Speaker 2: executive what we're talking about, go in, beat the team,
Speaker 2: come back upset. You don't even know how we had
Speaker 2: George mala Ulu on that and it happened a few times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you covered it back then. That was, Yes, these unexplainable
Speaker 2: losses and unexplainable wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we all Arizona also had that, and you know,
Speaker 3: unbelievable defense too, going in those shores where you know
Speaker 3: they they just weren't going to give up more than
Speaker 3: you know, twenty points maybe, so the offense didn't have
Speaker 3: to do all.
Speaker 2: That much right, and they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 3: But you know, George was good in those years. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to remember. There was with the Bobby Waters mala
Speaker 3: Ulu period, I.
Speaker 2: Think, but Bobby Waters will that's nineteen eighty seven, my
Speaker 2: first year Bobby Waters road running veal Ulux trick Levy
Speaker 2: came in right after him. Hockey he met, He mentioned
Speaker 2: him Johnson, there's a lot of especially those early mid
Speaker 2: nineties when they were you know, the desert's warm and
Speaker 2: they played really well. Those are a long time. That's
Speaker 2: thirty years ago, Son, and more than that, they're all
Speaker 2: thirty about it, old man, and people still wish for
Speaker 2: those days. Yeah, it's come like basketball, well never when well,
Speaker 2: never when? Come on? And how many how old do
Speaker 2: you have to be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys don't sticker stick around in basketball? At least
Speaker 3: in football they still have. They usually usually they stayed
Speaker 3: at least a couple of years now, but in basketball,
Speaker 3: not so much, no more.
Speaker 2: Not so much. So. So if you're out doing your
Speaker 2: old job, which you were doing before, working for or
Speaker 2: for a group, right, tell me what? Yeah, which which?
Speaker 2: Which college is social behavioral Sciences? Okay, and let's go
Speaker 2: even before that where you went to the foundation? That foundation?
Speaker 2: So would it be tough because everyone talks the sports
Speaker 2: is the front ports of.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, oh definitely. I mean if I'm on going
Speaker 3: on a trip and I'm going to visit alumni any where,
Speaker 3: I'm as a sports person, I'm always looking at what
Speaker 3: it's just happening. What's the news of the because you
Speaker 3: know you're going to be asked exactly and I can
Speaker 3: bring it up and I can talk about it, and
Speaker 3: I can talk about my my background or experience or
Speaker 3: if I'd been at that particular game. But so it
Speaker 3: was definitely something, and there were there's other things that
Speaker 3: I enjoyed other than.
Speaker 2: Just talking sports with people too.
Speaker 3: I love just talking about Tucson and what's going on
Speaker 3: here with with you know, downtown. I mean literally Downtown
Speaker 3: changed when I was in that job, to the point
Speaker 3: where you're talking to a lums who went to school
Speaker 3: here and said, oh, we never used to go to
Speaker 3: downtowns and now everybody goes downtown.
Speaker 2: It's a great place. And you're you're a pragmatic guy,
Speaker 2: nice guy, perfect for that job where you're not going
Speaker 2: to say, yeah, they suck, you know you don't. You're
Speaker 2: not going to be honest, not honest, you don't really
Speaker 2: forth right with them.
Speaker 3: It depends on who I'm talking to. I mean a
Speaker 3: lot of them, you know, they're they're diehards. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have to admit, Arizona lums really care and they
Speaker 3: pay attention no matter where they are. And I was
Speaker 3: lucky enough to travel literally from coast to coast. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm on the East Coast, and people are, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, complaining about the game times, and I mean
Speaker 3: that's just the way it works. There's not going to
Speaker 3: be too many early starts, and so they're used to
Speaker 3: staying up late and watching them play, and they're they're
Speaker 3: school So.
Speaker 2: You travel a lot. To me, I don't think I've
Speaker 2: asked you this since you've been on the show. I
Speaker 2: guess you have at least a mind view of where
Speaker 2: the alums are here a lot, obviously, Phoenix some yes,
Speaker 2: Southern California yes, and then where else in the country.
Speaker 3: Well, the Bay Area is big, Seattle's big, and all
Speaker 3: all the big cities in the West, Denver is large, Portland, Dallas, Houston, Chicago.
Speaker 3: I mean really all the big cities have there's like
Speaker 3: almost three hundred thousand living alums around the world. Well,
Speaker 3: I went there everywhere, So this is the nextico because
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in the nonprofit business as well somewhere else.
Speaker 3: So of the three hundred thousand lums, how many of
Speaker 3: them contribute?
Speaker 2: That's that's a good question.
Speaker 3: It's probably I probably don't have that answer that I
Speaker 3: could give you.
Speaker 2: But it's it's not a large number because I think
Speaker 2: in the nonprofit genre or area, it's anywhere from twelve
Speaker 2: to eighteen percent.
Speaker 3: I was going to say it might even be less.
Speaker 3: So it's it's interesting. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 3: be quoted on that. I mean, we can check that
Speaker 3: number next time maybe, but it's not a big number.
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's the same it's the same people.
Speaker 3: That's that's the case too, And so our job was
Speaker 3: really to uncover new people. That that's really the part,
Speaker 3: you know, because of the big donors are kind of
Speaker 3: exposed already and know who they are. But that's kind
Speaker 3: of the part of the game is finding people who
Speaker 3: are interested in whom who have a passion for something
Speaker 3: that the UFA is doing. And it's very surprising sometimes
Speaker 3: when you start talking to someone you think, oh, this
Speaker 3: guy was a you know, a history major.
Speaker 2: And he's going to give to the history department.
Speaker 3: Next thing you know, he's you know, he wants to
Speaker 3: give to cancer or he wants to give to athletics.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was an interesting process. So
Speaker 2: I'm Joe, Joe, Joe millionaire or one thousand thousand are
Speaker 2: and I see my phone. Dave Silver's coming to town.
Speaker 2: Oh damn it. Did you ever get did you ever
Speaker 2: get some? God? I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't have any more money to give day. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: did you feet? Every excuse? Every you hear all the stories.
Speaker 3: It's just part of the part.
Speaker 2: Of the job. So so sorry, I can't meet with
Speaker 2: you for dinner, right? Is that what I'm paying? And
Speaker 2: I'm paying for it. But that's just how that's how
Speaker 2: it works. You timeshare people. No, yeah, it's almost No,
Speaker 2: it's not that bad.
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that they we know that they're
Speaker 3: interested in the school. They went to the school and graduated,
Speaker 3: so we know there's some interest. So I'm not just
Speaker 3: sure you don't just walk in as a total complete stranger.
Speaker 2: No, they know you're but.
Speaker 3: They want to They want to know and they understand.
Speaker 3: People understand philanthropy.
Speaker 2: You cut the tail end or the beginning of You
Speaker 2: were at the tail end of the beginning of nil.
Speaker 2: Did you see that there was not a conflict but
Speaker 2: an issue because now you're seen the money over here,
Speaker 2: and then people are starting to go into that he's
Speaker 2: got pockets.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, I wasn't really how do I put this
Speaker 3: like day to day. I wasn't really concentrating on athletic money.
Speaker 3: I mean it sometimes would come in, but there were
Speaker 3: a few donors every so often who would ask me,
Speaker 3: who is this group that's contacted me. They're not are
Speaker 3: they with the U of A or are they some organization?
Speaker 3: So that question was popping up.
Speaker 2: In the last year or so. There was an inter
Speaker 2: twenty yeah whatever, that intermingling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, for people who have been
Speaker 3: giving consistently to campus or to athletics or somewhere and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, is this the same
Speaker 3: thing or is this different?
Speaker 2: So there was some explanation that needs to be done. Oh,
Speaker 2: we got to take a break. But last quick question.
Speaker 2: Did it become territorial from like guys like you with
Speaker 2: people like from the U Sports Athletic Department. No, I
Speaker 2: mean know what I'm saying. Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3: If I'm well, I mean, if there's a donor that's
Speaker 3: going to give to athletics, I need to work with
Speaker 3: the athletics people.
Speaker 2: My colleagues there, so we were all together on the
Speaker 2: same boat.
Speaker 3: But I would discover people they would alway say, hey,
Speaker 3: wait a second, this is a person who's been given
Speaker 3: to athletics and now he wants to give to journalism.
Speaker 3: So they would call me because I was supporting journalism.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of how it works.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got to go take a Breakreen and get
Speaker 2: back with our first guests. Rhino. Mister Ryan Hansen, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the guys in the rido for the Wildcats.
Speaker 2: We'll talk basketball first and then in the second hour
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Lamont Tonney talking more football.
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Speaker 5: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Ding the Ball here on Fox
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Speaker 2: is Dave Silver, not Ryan at the control room. And
Speaker 2: now we have Ryan Hanson, the aero Zona basketball men's
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Speaker 4: Good to hear from you, guys, Dave, How are you man?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 4: How you doing good?
Speaker 1: To chat?
Speaker 4: You know, I love talking Arizona basketball with Steve and
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're joining the crew here we can chat
Speaker 4: it up because it's getting close. Paul is not in
Speaker 4: the air, boys, but yet I'm feeling basketball that's in
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 2: We hope that your voice, that voice of yours, is
Speaker 2: not dry from the heat. But you should get ready
Speaker 2: here in a couple of weeks. Right, I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: like me. You've been around a long time and I
Speaker 2: can't remember. And sometimes they ask me, so, how's this
Speaker 2: Arizona basketball team going to look? I can't remember if
Speaker 2: I've ever said they're not going to be any good?
Speaker 4: Right, Oh, there's no doubt. There's talent, right, there's experience,
Speaker 4: there's talent. There's next level talent on this team. I
Speaker 4: think they are going to be a very good team.
Speaker 4: Can they be great? I mean, it's another year Steve
Speaker 4: and Dave that we talk about. Okay, this team's gonna
Speaker 4: win a lot of games, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: With the conference change, they're probably lose more than they
Speaker 4: have in the recent past, at least under Tommy Lloyd.
Speaker 4: Based on the challenge of the schedule. That's okay. I
Speaker 4: think it's going to make them more battle tested for
Speaker 4: the tournament. The question remains, how deep can this team go?
Speaker 4: Are they built for a second weekend win versus a
Speaker 4: second weekend loss that we saw last year and now
Speaker 4: two times in the last three years. That those are
Speaker 4: the questions that this team that's we love, right, It's
Speaker 4: not a can this team make it to the tournament?
Speaker 4: I think there's a no doubt in my mind this
Speaker 4: is a tournament level team. Are they a second weekend
Speaker 4: team that has what it takes when things are going
Speaker 4: right to get to that ever elusive final four that
Speaker 4: Tommy Lloyd wants that there's on a basketball fans are
Speaker 4: so dying to have coming off of what now will
Speaker 4: be twenty four years removed from their last final four, A.
Speaker 2: Lot of new guys, a lot of guys coming back.
Speaker 3: This is an interesting kind of a transition year that
Speaker 3: you lose, you know, couple of guys who go to
Speaker 3: the NBA, but then you still keep a kleb love.
Speaker 3: What do you think of the makeup? Just generally, say,
Speaker 3: the top eight guys on this team, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: is this a team that can you know, get into
Speaker 3: week number two of the tournaments?
Speaker 4: I think the top eight is exceptionally good. You've got
Speaker 4: three really good perimeter players, maybe the best defensive perimeter
Speaker 4: Arizona has had in the years. When you look at
Speaker 4: what Jaden Bradley and kJ Lewis do defensively, Kaled Love
Speaker 4: has been an improved defender. He's got the physical tools
Speaker 4: to be a very good defender. Does he have the
Speaker 4: mental makeup That's the next level for him to be
Speaker 4: an impactful defender. I think that length will be exceptional
Speaker 4: and will cause other teams problems the interior. It's going
Speaker 4: to be a difference. It's going to be a change.
Speaker 4: Arizona is not used to, you know, playing basketball without
Speaker 4: a new Marballo in the low block in a couple
Speaker 4: of years. But does that create some different opportunities for
Speaker 4: Arizona on both ends of the floor, primarily on the
Speaker 4: defensive end. Can they be more versatile defensively versus what
Speaker 4: you had with Umar Ballo where you had to defend
Speaker 4: ball screens in the same way regardless of the personnel.
Speaker 4: Because Umar couldn't hedge out, he couldn't play twenty five
Speaker 4: and thirty feet from the basket. He was better suited
Speaker 4: hanging in the lane area in what's called drop coverage. Well,
Speaker 4: can you be more aggressive? Can you be more assertive defensively?
Speaker 4: To change things up. I love those ideas. Now we'll
Speaker 4: see if they can deploy that. But from a personnel standpoint, Dave,
Speaker 4: I love the perimeter. I have some question marks though,
Speaker 4: and I think one of the questions is when you
Speaker 4: get past that eight man rotation, does Arizona have firepower
Speaker 4: coming off of the bench on the perimeter? My take,
Speaker 4: Steve probably agrees with this. Dave, you've watched Arizona and
Speaker 4: you've watched college basketball going on. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: want to date you, but I think you know you're
Speaker 4: looking at what three to four decades full of college
Speaker 4: basketball coverage. One thing remains means true guard play wins
Speaker 4: in the tournament. You have to have playmakers. You have
Speaker 4: to have players that can knock down shots, can get
Speaker 4: to the rim, they can finish in traffic. And it
Speaker 4: can't just be your starting two guys in the back
Speaker 4: court unless they're Damon in Kalid. You know, you have
Speaker 4: to have uber elite talent if you're only going to
Speaker 4: rely on two or three guys. Does Arizona have firepower
Speaker 4: coming off the bench. Can Carter Bryant give you perimeter
Speaker 4: game early in his career. I think ultimately he's a
Speaker 4: swing man. He's a three man in the NBA, But
Speaker 4: can he give that to you in his first year?
Speaker 4: You're going to have to have that level of talent
Speaker 4: and an explosive offensive skills to get Arizona over that hump.
Speaker 4: That's just kind of my sorry when I rambled a
Speaker 4: lot there, but that's my two cents as of today.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks were running out of time here, Thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us. No no, no, no, no, so Ry, let me
Speaker 2: let me go break that down a little bit. So
Speaker 2: I went to the Red Bue game, and I'm thinking
Speaker 2: pretty much what you're thinking. So I'm watching and I'm
Speaker 2: loving the backcourt with with Bradley and Love and kJ okay,
Speaker 2: so and I agree with you, And I was gonna
Speaker 2: write this story and I probably save it for later.
Speaker 2: They kind of remind me of Khalid, Damon and Reggie, right,
Speaker 2: you three guys, three headed monster. And then then I
Speaker 2: can go back and you know Bibby Bibby Miles and Dickerson.
Speaker 2: Dickerson's a lot like kJ. I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: Athletic can get get get a score if they want
Speaker 2: to or if they have to. And I might be
Speaker 2: stretching that thought, but those threes some and you talked
Speaker 2: about that the best rereats some in a while, and
Speaker 2: I think you're about right there where I'm at. I
Speaker 2: like it a lot. Do they need the bench? I
Speaker 2: don't know to fit those three Maybe a guy who
Speaker 2: fills in every now and again. But I remember this
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, uh, and this these guys were good,
Speaker 2: you know, Miles and Bibby and Dickerson and j T
Speaker 2: as the other guy, and this guy Majeris comes in.
Speaker 2: I have something that I have something on my sleeve. Yea.
Speaker 2: And you're thinking, I'm covering this and writing this all
Speaker 2: year saying there's no way one guy foss, there's no
Speaker 2: way another guy fass. You have a third guy who's
Speaker 2: going to come help. If two guys fall, you have
Speaker 2: a third get it's going to come around. Well, then
Speaker 2: you have a Utah game. All the fell apart and
Speaker 2: then you were screwed. So if that happens, Arizona screwed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that can happen, right, that might be one
Speaker 4: in a million, maybe not a million, but one in
Speaker 4: a thousand that that actually happens on any given night
Speaker 4: that you have four NBA perimeter players all go cold
Speaker 4: in the same day in the same game against a
Speaker 4: crazy triangle in two. But I just feel like you
Speaker 4: can never have enough firepower at the guard spot right
Speaker 4: for a deep run in the tournament, and some of
Speaker 4: the question marks that it remains to be seen. But boy,
Speaker 4: I liked what I saw in the Red Blue out
Speaker 4: of Anthony del Orso. I like his shooting stroke. The question, Steve,
Speaker 4: you and I have had this conversation, probably more so
Speaker 4: off the air than on, but let's have it on
Speaker 4: the air. Will Tommy Lloyd play a shooter that's got
Speaker 4: sized but not necessarily the athletic ability of a kJ
Speaker 4: Lewis at the three spot? Will he get the time
Speaker 4: that Paulius Morowskis didn't get? Will he get the time
Speaker 4: that Philip Boribech didn't get? You know, is del Orso
Speaker 4: closer to Pella Larsen or is he closer to Paulius
Speaker 4: Morowskis or somewhere in between? And my I've watched practice
Speaker 4: a handful of times with the new guys. I haven't
Speaker 4: you know, I saw the Red Blue game. Sit It's
Speaker 4: it's not like the sample size is big enough for
Speaker 4: us to make definitive statements. Here, but there is a
Speaker 4: drop off in defensive ability from kJ Lewis to Anthony Delarso.
Speaker 4: That's that, I think is a statement most people would
Speaker 4: agree with. And it's not, you know, I'm not blowing
Speaker 4: up del Orso's game, But will Tommy give del Orso
Speaker 4: the necessary minutes and the opportunity to span himself and
Speaker 4: be good enough defensively to not be a liability because
Speaker 4: it appears offensively he could be that potential game changer
Speaker 4: that could come in and just stretch the floor, knock
Speaker 4: down shots, create an opportunity where Caleb Love now gets
Speaker 4: better looks because you can't come off of del Orso.
Speaker 4: He's going to knock down a shot. So does that
Speaker 4: create opening looks for other players? Does that give tobeya
Speaker 4: Waka an opportunity in the low block to be more
Speaker 4: effective because the defense has to account for a three
Speaker 4: point shooter? Or is Tommy so concerned about the defense
Speaker 4: that you give up by not having your best defenders
Speaker 4: on the floor that he doesn't give del Orso enough
Speaker 4: time to develop. Just Trey Townsend, is he not as
Speaker 4: effective because he's not Keyshad Johnson defensively? But guess what
Speaker 4: he's also not keyshad Johnson Offensively, He's going to give
Speaker 4: you a lot more potentially and more at least variable offense,
Speaker 4: more and more things offensively, least on paper than what
Speaker 4: I think we saw Key shot for the better part
Speaker 4: of his one year at Arizona. So these parts are
Speaker 4: really interesting to me that Tommy's got to maybe look
Speaker 4: at things a little differently based on the personnel that
Speaker 4: he put together.
Speaker 2: Just before you ask this question, I just want to
Speaker 2: make a comment. You and I have spent too much
Speaker 2: time together, because exactly what you're saying is as exactly
Speaker 2: what I've been thinking, especially with the the Orso and
Speaker 2: the guys who left because they didn't get enough time
Speaker 2: Tommy will see you later, thanks.
Speaker 4: Right, and didn't develop to be able to be relied
Speaker 4: upon you insignificant minutes in the postseason, so they didn't
Speaker 4: get those chances. I think del Orso might be in
Speaker 4: a different position because of his experience in the college game,
Speaker 4: where the guys I'm looking to are international players that
Speaker 4: were freshmen or sophomore in Philip or Beach in his case,
Speaker 4: didn't get that opportunity. Well, del Orso, He's at least
Speaker 4: played him high level college athletes and has had to
Speaker 4: figure out defensively how he can make it work with
Speaker 4: a you know, I don't want to say he's limited athletically,
Speaker 4: He's not. He's a good athlete. He's just not kJ
Speaker 4: Lewis and who is at this point. I mean we're
Speaker 4: comparing him to you know, maybe the best athlete on
Speaker 4: the floor for Arison, A best defender perimeter wise, you
Speaker 4: know he is. He's up there with Dylan Terry. He's
Speaker 4: an incredible perimeter defender. So no knock on del Orso
Speaker 4: because of that. But we'll see how Tommy allows del
Speaker 4: Orso to impact the game. I think he could be
Speaker 4: an impact.
Speaker 3: Player though you know they lose bollow and then they
Speaker 3: also return, you know, Crevis and who knows about Henry
Speaker 3: this year? What do you what about the big guys?
Speaker 3: How do you think will they will fare? You know
Speaker 3: in the in the low post? Is there going to
Speaker 3: be Are they good enough defensively? Are they good enough
Speaker 3: offensively to compete?
Speaker 4: Good questions, Dave, because when I look offensively, it's a
Speaker 4: little bit different. You know, on the air last year
Speaker 4: I said Mr Bollo did his work early, Motias Crevis
Speaker 4: did his work late and What I mean by that is,
Speaker 4: if umar Bollo could bury you in the post, he
Speaker 4: would get one foot from the rim, it was over.
Speaker 4: But if he was off the block, you really didn't
Speaker 4: want him having to make multiple moves to score. Where
Speaker 4: Crevis does his work late after he catches it. He's
Speaker 4: so skilled, he's got better footwork. He's got moves off
Speaker 4: the low block off of either hand, so you can
Speaker 4: throw it in the low block on either side and
Speaker 4: feel confident with his back to the basket. He's going
Speaker 4: to make a great move. He's just not an above
Speaker 4: the rim guy, so he's going to have to be
Speaker 4: able to finish with athletes on the offensive ent. I
Speaker 4: think that to me's probably a wash. You lose a
Speaker 4: little bit with Bollow's ability to bury you, but you
Speaker 4: gain a little bit more like late clock. Throw it
Speaker 4: in the low block to Crevus and let him work.
Speaker 4: He's going to require double teams in the low block
Speaker 4: if he's off the block, where with Ballow they just
Speaker 4: let him operate off the block defensively. Let's shift defensively.
Speaker 4: Ariz gonna lose his rim protection, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: With follow they lose rim protection with Keisha Johnson. So
Speaker 4: they're going to have to defensively do some things a
Speaker 4: little differently in the low block. I believe from my seat.
Speaker 4: I'm not the head coach, but I think they're going
Speaker 4: to have to be a little more creative with how
Speaker 4: they defend in and around the rim. Henry Vasar, how
Speaker 4: he contributes. Does Emanuel Steven get time because of his
Speaker 4: ability to defend the rim? I think I think he
Speaker 4: could be an X factor, Dave. If I look at
Speaker 4: this roster in the makeup, Emmanuel Stephen could be a
Speaker 4: rim protector. He could be a rim runner for you
Speaker 4: on pack and roll opportunities. He's going to run the
Speaker 4: floor as well as any of the bigs. And you
Speaker 4: don't need him to score when you have Jaden and
Speaker 4: Caleb and kJ and let's just throw Trey Talonsen in there.
Speaker 4: That's enough offense that he could be the fifth option offensively,
Speaker 4: but he could be a difference maker sensibly.
Speaker 2: So how he.
Speaker 4: Develops could become an interesting player. You know, at this stage, Steve,
Speaker 4: it's unfair for us to say this guy's the X factor.
Speaker 4: If this guy plays well, Arizona's going to make a
Speaker 4: run because there's too many guys right now that we
Speaker 4: don't know enough about, and I've thrown out all the names.
Speaker 4: If Carter Bryant has an incredible freshman year, he could
Speaker 4: be the X factor. If Anthony del Orso has an
Speaker 4: incredible year because he gets time and he's knocking down three,
Speaker 4: that's an X factor Arizona that hasn't had. But because
Speaker 4: of the makeup of the post players. If Emmanuel Steven
Speaker 4: has a year that we didn't anticipate, or Henry Bassar
Speaker 4: can show us what he was supposed to be when
Speaker 4: he was recruited. Now you have a stretch four that's
Speaker 4: seven feet tall knocking down jump shots. Oh I kind
Speaker 4: of like that in a different rotation. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of good questions, right These aren't like concerning questions. I
Speaker 4: think they're exciting questions that will learn in time.
Speaker 2: To me, one last question got about a minute the
Speaker 2: right So the three some in the back, that's my
Speaker 2: biggest not concerned the best story I think right now.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, is this team better than
Speaker 2: last year? Is this team better than two years ago?
Speaker 2: And is this team better than the first year? I
Speaker 2: have my thoughts because, yeah.
Speaker 4: Your question is is this Tommy Lloyd's best team, I
Speaker 4: guess is what you're saying, maybe in a nutshell this
Speaker 4: is a cop out to say it's too early to tell.
Speaker 4: The challenge is is you have you have an e
Speaker 4: merging NBA All Star on Tommy's first team and Ben Mathren?
Speaker 4: Who do we have a Ben Mathron? And Caleb Love
Speaker 4: could be the big shot maker. So I do think
Speaker 4: you've got a guy like that who hopefully will be
Speaker 4: even more efficient this year than he was last year,
Speaker 4: which he was an improved efficient offensive player. Defensively, I
Speaker 4: think this could be a terror defensively from a team
Speaker 4: you don't have to cover up a kerk Present and
Speaker 4: what he gave you offense was wonderful, but what he
Speaker 4: lacked defensively you don't have to cover him up. With
Speaker 4: these three perimeter players. That's a big lag up as
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, I think potentially you have more
Speaker 4: versatility in the post than you had with Umar Balo.
Speaker 4: If Motias Kratus can be healthy and give you what
Speaker 4: you would expect out of him, I think the complimentary
Speaker 4: post players could be more impactful than what we've had
Speaker 4: in the recent past. So the ceiling of this team
Speaker 4: could be Tommy's best team. It would be my take
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Reno as always, appreciate you. That's a grace.
Speaker 2: Love it.
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Speaker 5: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Why on the Ball. Here at
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, you're Dave Silver,
Speaker 2: I am to somebody else, I know who you are.
Speaker 2: And we got Ryan at the booth. Uh, just real quick,
Speaker 2: and this is a I know what people ask me,
Speaker 2: how you're doing busy as all hell because there's sports
Speaker 2: like everywhere coming out. You know, you have the men's
Speaker 2: basketball winen's basketball, you have football, you have other sports
Speaker 2: going on, high school sports. This was probably the the
Speaker 2: hectic time of year for you when you were back
Speaker 2: in the biz.
Speaker 3: How about last night if you were a sportscaster in
Speaker 3: Kansas City, the Royals and the chiefsports at the same time.
Speaker 2: But those are nights that didn't happen too often here.
Speaker 3: But occasionally there was a football basketball situation on the
Speaker 3: same day. I can remember one specifically in Las Vegas
Speaker 3: when men's basketball played earlier in the day and then
Speaker 3: the Bowl.
Speaker 2: Game was in Las Vegas later. Yeah, that was a fun,
Speaker 2: fun day.
Speaker 3: But yeah, in professional sports, I guess it just depends
Speaker 3: on what's going on. And with baseball playoffs rolling along
Speaker 3: with the Royals kind of being a new or I
Speaker 3: guess not new, but back in the playoffs for the
Speaker 3: first time in a while, right, And of course the
Speaker 3: Chiefs are a marquee game, so I'm sure the Chiefs
Speaker 3: wiped him out in the ratings.
Speaker 2: Football does that, right, But right, well, don't forget about
Speaker 2: missus Swift or miss Swift. She was she was there.
Speaker 2: She was there and you know, and her Man had
Speaker 2: a big game. So did he did he? I didn't
Speaker 2: watch that closely, did he?
Speaker 3: Well, if you catch I hate to say, I know
Speaker 3: in the first half he did.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The guys in the in the office
Speaker 2: here he said, I think the over under was fifty
Speaker 2: eight yards. Oh he had to have more than that,
Speaker 2: did he? Oh? So he was over because he hadn't
Speaker 2: played well or da hadn't thrown to the ball that
Speaker 2: much to this point, because they're saying, what's one, what's up?
Speaker 2: I think he had like eight catches in the first half, really,
Speaker 2: so he was Were they for what like twenty yards? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So we'll see. But they're one of the better teams.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna win it all though, But
Speaker 2: let me tell you to last weekend. Don't believe anything
Speaker 2: I say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in one of these survival pools, you know,
Speaker 3: And you get three strikes.
Speaker 2: I was out in week four. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you either are dead or you're
Speaker 2: barely surviving. Yeah, because that second week was disaster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and last week this past week was bad too,
Speaker 3: with the Giants winning in Seattle. That was a big
Speaker 3: shocker that wiped out half our league again.
Speaker 2: So right, so how many did you start with?
Speaker 3: Oh, man, we're I think we have somewhere around maybe
Speaker 3: seventy five. Okay, it's a big league. So now that
Speaker 3: one weekend was just carnage.
Speaker 2: I joined one four years ago. I loved the Bills
Speaker 2: at that time. They lost their first game or so,
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna get it one again. But there's a
Speaker 2: friend of mine has one for like one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty six people. By the second week it only had
Speaker 2: like twenty.
Speaker 3: It goes fast, I mean there are I mean literally,
Speaker 3: because everyone's kind of picking the same teams that, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be guaranteed.
Speaker 2: To go to them, spread line all ten points and
Speaker 2: that's the team. Yeah. So I'm actually in two, so
Speaker 2: I'm still alive in one of them.
Speaker 3: So I picked the suddenly wonderfully successful Washington Commanders who
Speaker 3: have kind of come out of nowhere. So I had
Speaker 3: them this past week and Jade and Daniels having quite
Speaker 3: the rookie season. I don't think anybody really saw that coming.
Speaker 3: Although I mean, you know, Heisman Trophy winners, I guess
Speaker 3: you're good. And Washington has not been good.
Speaker 2: For how many years? Oh yeah, forever? At least the
Speaker 2: Redskins forever. You know, well, I think even more so
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, you know, because the Cowboys and Indians or
Speaker 2: the you know, the Redskins were that team, those two rivalries,
Speaker 2: and back in the day, they were fantastic. Yeah. Now
Speaker 2: both haven't been good in the London, right, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this quarterback's good, and you know, other
Speaker 3: team's been pretty inconsistent. Philadelphia has been a little inconsistent.
Speaker 3: And the Giants, who knows, the surprise they get a
Speaker 3: win in Seattle, so that that division's uh, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of up for grabs, as is the West.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: With the Cardinals winning a game on the road in
Speaker 3: Santa Clara was pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe they lost that game. The forty
Speaker 2: nine ers they were driving. I went to somewhere some
Speaker 2: event that the four almost three three thirty and they
Speaker 2: were driving to score and put the game away. And
Speaker 2: I got to my place and they had already fumbled
Speaker 2: and Arizona I had taken the lead. Yeah, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: what did I do? What did I Where did I leave?
Speaker 2: And I didn't listen to on the radio because I
Speaker 2: said it's over. Well it wasn't over, man, Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Kelsey had nine catches, Travis nine catches, seventy yards.
Speaker 2: Oh so he made it. He made it?
Speaker 12: What was he?
Speaker 2: What was he? Fifty eight? I think? Okay, so we
Speaker 2: got over that. Okay. So I just reminded. Oh, I
Speaker 2: have to remind myself though. I have to put some
Speaker 2: stuff on the board for the trip to to Del Soul.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be there on Thursday. Uh So go visit
Speaker 2: us if you can three to five. Uh Jay and
Speaker 2: I we're gonna make our picks there and we're gonna
Speaker 2: bs what we do? You know about these things that
Speaker 2: are going on? Maybe some have some on air guests live,
Speaker 2: So go visit us. There's a lot of things to
Speaker 2: do down there. Where are you gonna be set up?
Speaker 2: We're gonna be in the sports bar. So once you
Speaker 2: walk into the sports bar, take a rite and you
Speaker 2: will be right there canvas us. It should be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Hey, you guys will be on. There's got to be
Speaker 3: what the Thursday night game is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why we're doing it just right before
Speaker 2: the Thursday night games to kind of promote what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens. Let me give a couple
Speaker 2: of shout outs to the Casino Del Soul people from this.
Speaker 2: From the moment you first walk into Casino del Soul,
Speaker 2: you'll greet it. You'll be greeted by a diverse and
Speaker 2: robust selection of restaurants that cater to any craving you
Speaker 2: may have. From award winning Py Steakhouse in the laid
Speaker 2: Back Diner of Mobis and the and the laid Back
Speaker 2: Dinner of movies. Discover the latest, the latest taste of
Speaker 2: see how Dell sold during your next visit. A lot
Speaker 2: of good food there you you've been there a few times. Pizza, steaks,
Speaker 2: Umoe Umi.
Speaker 3: Umi uomy, but definitely Moby's. Spend a Mobey's. Yeah, big
Speaker 3: fan of that place. Yeah, Belitas, A lot of good
Speaker 3: places to eat. They have the cosmic Bingo Bingo on
Speaker 3: Friday the Spa. Moby says, seasonal selections for a lot
Speaker 3: of different tastes and varieties of food. So we'll be
Speaker 3: there on Thursday. We'll be there once a month. Actually
Speaker 3: this month will be there twice because we didn't go
Speaker 3: in September. We had been looking forward to this and
Speaker 3: then Jay comes back for this. You know, of course
Speaker 3: she's not his.
Speaker 2: Return to because the casino. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: this he's he can't wait. We've been talking about it today.
Speaker 2: So I hope to see you there. Probably making another
Speaker 2: announcement on the other side of the hour if you
Speaker 2: got h We've got about six seven minutes, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: take some calls if you want to give us a call.
Speaker 2: Five two oh four one, six seventy four forty talk
Speaker 2: about hoops, talk about football, whatever you decide. I did
Speaker 2: a story for a biz twus son It just came
Speaker 2: out here on Snoop Dogg. We'll talk about that. But
Speaker 2: also did a story on the new media rights thing.
Speaker 2: You were aware of what you know exactly what's going
Speaker 2: on there. Probably a little bit. We should have talked
Speaker 2: to Ryan about that. Oh yeah, yeah, but he's kind
Speaker 2: of he's yeah, he's okay, and he's not really involved
Speaker 2: in the behind the scenes stuff, and there was a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I never was really really either myself. I mean we
Speaker 3: were when I was in the media, we were totally
Speaker 3: separate from the u of A. When it came to that,
Speaker 3: they kind of did their own thing.
Speaker 2: But what's oh went back in the mid eighties, well.
Speaker 3: No, even even later, I mean there were there was
Speaker 3: always some you know, an independent group kind of inside
Speaker 3: athletics handling the media.
Speaker 2: Media.
Speaker 3: Wait, there was what was it IMG like that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which was really separate from the local stations. You know,
Speaker 3: there wasn't even much and they still were. They still were, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. So with this now, what do
Speaker 3: they call themselves? There is an sports or properties right,
Speaker 3: and they're betting on themselves.
Speaker 2: They thinking that they can raise just as much money
Speaker 2: as the previous regime and just do it better locally,
Speaker 2: because I think they realized that eighty four or eighty
Speaker 2: five percent of the money was coming from inside the
Speaker 2: house locally, and they can go after more possibly and
Speaker 2: they can make a lot more money down the road
Speaker 2: rather than having a middleman. Yeah, take some of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean because so many of the universities around the
Speaker 3: country are tied into like lear Field or one of
Speaker 3: those right people, and so Arizona was for a long time, right,
Speaker 3: so this is going to be something new.
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing, the one thing that desire has
Speaker 2: come in and she's made some changes. And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to alb alibi her or whatever. But if Dave
Speaker 2: Silver took the job as a D, Steve Rivera took
Speaker 2: the job as a D, guess what you'd have to do.
Speaker 2: Their deficit is fantastically huge. Yeah, there's people that have
Speaker 2: been here for a while. What do you have to
Speaker 2: do but make changes? Honestly, it's it's sad. I mean
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 3: Sure we know those people, that's for sure. Got to
Speaker 3: give her some credit though. I mean, I was at
Speaker 3: the game on on Saturday. It was warm and I
Speaker 3: think it was military nights, so there was a number
Speaker 3: of military uh people being presented on the field, and
Speaker 3: she was down there almost the entire first half. Here
Speaker 3: she is again with you know so and so from
Speaker 3: Davis Mont and she's she's out there and she's you know,
Speaker 3: in the public eye and she has to be.
Speaker 2: She's gonna she has to make friends. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: you've been around a long time. This town almost requires it.
Speaker 2: You have to, you know, shake hands. His babies out there,
Speaker 2: and not just for eighties, I mean football coaches, basketball coaches.
Speaker 2: One of Shawn's biggest demises or bad decisions was not
Speaker 2: being out there. He was not a thatch. Feel the
Speaker 2: guy didn't get close to people.
Speaker 3: No, I mean you could see that from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: And that was a big difference between you know, his
Speaker 3: personality and Loot's. Lout was a master of that when
Speaker 3: he came in. You know, really for years and years
Speaker 3: he was at his golf tournaments or Mistern's place and
Speaker 3: doing commercials.
Speaker 2: He was out there. Did you were you still around
Speaker 2: with Sean like maybe two years, three years? Years? Yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of years. Yeah, just very different how his
Speaker 2: approach was because he was not that you know, warm
Speaker 2: and fuzzy guy. I wrote that a few times. Uh,
Speaker 2: and and now you know someone was not either. We
Speaker 2: see how well that lasted. And now there's some thoughts
Speaker 2: that maybe Brennan is not that guy either. I've been
Speaker 2: talking Touchyphelia and going out and doing some I've seen
Speaker 2: some stuff on the internet. So he's a good guy.
Speaker 2: You could tell he's a good guy, very forth right,
Speaker 2: little little kind of by the book and what he says. Man.
Speaker 2: But but he's I guess he's not out there like
Speaker 2: many people think he should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you wonder what is going on behind the
Speaker 3: scenes and who's telling him you know, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: don't don't put yourself out there just yet, or maybe
Speaker 3: you know, win have a have a winning season where
Speaker 3: the fans, you know, have to kind of back you,
Speaker 3: and then you can, you know, go out there and
Speaker 3: set up things. But I mean that was one of
Speaker 3: the maybe it's just the day and age, but when
Speaker 3: Luke was doing that, I mean he was getting involved
Speaker 3: in so many different different charities and different moments where
Speaker 3: he would just and then later in life for him,
Speaker 3: he would be an ambassador for the U of A
Speaker 3: looking for the foundation, right, he.
Speaker 2: Had an office in there on Cherry and and.
Speaker 3: We'd go, hey, Luke, you know we're gonna do something
Speaker 3: in San Francisco, do you want to come up. I mean,
Speaker 3: he would get on a plane and he would be
Speaker 3: in a situation where he could shake hands and people
Speaker 3: love to say.
Speaker 2: H yeah, he was totally. He was totally And obviously
Speaker 2: I have had a friendship with him after covering him,
Speaker 2: and you probably did too. But he was not the
Speaker 2: same dude you covered, you know, and the players, and
Speaker 2: I wrote that in my book he was once you
Speaker 2: left the program as a player, you could kind of
Speaker 2: he was different. He would embrace you, he would bs
Speaker 2: with you, he would you know, tell you stories.
Speaker 3: Not that he wouldn't do it before, but not like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he was pretty you know, he's perfect for Tucson too.
Speaker 3: At the time when he came here, and you know,
Speaker 3: the program had been you know, down and out for
Speaker 3: you know, a handful of years before he got here,
Speaker 3: and just you know, the timing was impeccable how that
Speaker 3: all played out, and you know, the success came early
Speaker 3: and never stopped and he just built his.
Speaker 2: Culture, right. I don't know if deep down I never
Speaker 2: asked him this, which I should have in some of
Speaker 2: my books, was that he if he did that because
Speaker 2: he was not a he was not a outgoing guy too,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't you know, he would do them. And I
Speaker 2: think he meant it when he did it. But did
Speaker 2: he do it because the fans were great to him early,
Speaker 2: you know, because he'd go out and say you better
Speaker 2: get your tickets now, or you're gonna miss out or whatever,
Speaker 2: and maybe his thanks to them to say, I appreciate
Speaker 2: you helping me out at the beginning. That's maybe me
Speaker 2: thinking too much as possible.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there were those years early on
Speaker 3: too where he had chances to leave and he just
Speaker 3: kind of looked at the thing, the situation here and
Speaker 3: the fan base and the potential of Kentucky's stories in
Speaker 3: those years, and he just he turned his back on
Speaker 3: Kentucky and and stayed right.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons, at least the first time, was
Speaker 2: because Kentucky turned the back on Bobby didn't include her,
Speaker 2: and you know, the interviews or or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: they kept her kind of afar and when they brought
Speaker 2: him into the interview, and that was a no, no,
Speaker 2: ye back in I think it's eighty nine or whatever,
Speaker 2: aything like that. Yeah, And then the second time was saying,
Speaker 2: you know the pop up, you're not gonna leave, are you?
Speaker 2: With the young grand grand kids? Yes, you know you're
Speaker 2: not gonna leave us, are you? And how are you
Speaker 2: gonna not arena leave? After that, you know, you have grandkids. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Dave don't go, but Dave don't go Teddy Bear. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that was again, it was just.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've you've dissected it in a number of
Speaker 3: books already, just how perfect it all kind of worked out,
Speaker 3: timing wise, and just continue to build already we.
Speaker 2: Got to go all those players, all right, Brian, what
Speaker 2: are you doing to me? I was gonna come up
Speaker 2: with a story here. We gotta go, We gotta breaking
Speaker 2: news on the other side.