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Speaker 4: Scott Crichton and about his book The Secret Chamber of Osiris,
Speaker 4: Lost Knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids, and just real briefly.
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Speaker 4: any further ado, here's my interview with Scott Crichton.
Speaker 5: So welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Scott, Hello, Sarayah, it's good to be here. Thanks for
Speaker 6: inviting me.
Speaker 4: Now you have two books out right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my first book was out December twenty twelve. That's
Speaker 6: The Geezer Prophecy, and my most recent book came out
Speaker 6: on Christmas Day and last year, twenty fourteen. So yeah,
Speaker 6: that's two books.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: I'm now working on my third, which has been accepted
Speaker 6: for publication by my publisher Bearing Company and a Tradition's
Speaker 6: Bearing Company, So that's all.
Speaker 4: Good, awesome. Yeah, I really love that book company. Honestly,
Speaker 4: they put out so much great stuff.
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, I'm looking at my bookshelf just now
Speaker 6: and the number of titles that I've got here from
Speaker 6: Inner Tradition's burn course, it's quite remarkable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. And the new book is called The
Speaker 4: Secret Chamber of Osiris, Lost Knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids.
Speaker 6: That's the one, yep.
Speaker 4: And this one kind of had a lot of stuffn't it.
Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about, which is always a good thing.
Speaker 4: And I want to tell people a little bit about
Speaker 4: what the Sixteen Pyramids are.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, Well, first of all, you're not the first person, sayah,
Speaker 6: to tell me that this book contains a lot of
Speaker 6: new information. It certainly does that. Well. The Sixteen Pyramids
Speaker 6: that is a reference to the ancient Egyptian god Osiris,
Speaker 6: which is the of the title of the book the
Speaker 6: Secret Chamber of Asiris. In the myth that's come down
Speaker 6: to us about a Cyrus from Plutarch, we're told that
Speaker 6: Ciris had a brother Set, who was basically jealous of
Speaker 6: the fact that Ciris was the king of Egypt. And
Speaker 6: Set didn't like this. He wanted the throne of Egypt
Speaker 6: for himself, so basically set about undermining a Ciris, and
Speaker 6: eventually he kills Osiris, murders of Siris with seventy two conspirators,
Speaker 6: and he cuts the body of Asiris up into sixteen parts.
Speaker 6: This is what we're told. Some versions of the story
Speaker 6: say fourteen parts. The Plutarch version of the story says
Speaker 6: fourteen parts, but the Dioderus version says sixteen parts. The
Speaker 6: Dioderus version is the earlier version saidley fourteen parts. Sixteen parts.
Speaker 6: Asiris's body is cut into by Set and his gang
Speaker 6: of conspirators, and it's scattered across the land of Egypt.
Speaker 6: These sixteen parts are scattered across the land of Egypt,
Speaker 6: and basically Isis, who was the wife of Osiris, went
Speaker 6: about Egypt looking for the parts of Asiris in order
Speaker 6: to wrap the body in linen and mummy wrapping to
Speaker 6: wrap the body, to find the body parts and wrap
Speaker 6: them together to make a cirius whole again. But she
Speaker 6: could only find It's found most of the parts except
Speaker 6: one part, which was the phallus of Osiris. Now that's
Speaker 6: one part of the connection of you. Like the other
Speaker 6: part was I was reading the pyramid texts, ancient egyptianyramid texts. Now,
Speaker 6: these are the earliest religious writings that we have anywhere
Speaker 6: in the world. And these writings were inscribed upon the
Speaker 6: walls of the Fifth dynasty pyramids of Tetty and Eunice.
Speaker 6: The pharaohs are the kings of Egypt, King Eunice, King Tetty.
Speaker 6: And in these text we are told, in these religious writings,
Speaker 6: we are told that it says this quite clearly, the
Speaker 6: pyramid is a cyrus. The construction is the construction of
Speaker 6: the pyramid is a cyrus. It says that quite clearly
Speaker 6: and quite succinctly. So I got to thinking. I started
Speaker 6: connecting dots here and thought, well, a minut of pyramid
Speaker 6: texts are saying the pyramid is a cyrus. And we
Speaker 6: are told that set cut his body into sixteen parts
Speaker 6: and scattered them across the land of Egypt. Well, wouldn't
Speaker 6: that then be set essentially scattering sixteen pyramids across the
Speaker 6: land of Egypt. So that really was the connection. And
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
Speaker 6: I think I'm probably maybe the first person to make
Speaker 6: that sort of association. Now what I then did was
Speaker 6: I thought, well, okay, let's let's have a wee look
Speaker 6: at this. Let's look at the first sixteen completed pyramids
Speaker 6: that the ancient Egyptian's built. Now, I got doctor Martin
Speaker 6: Lehner's book, The Complete Pyramids, which is a fantastic book
Speaker 6: for anyone interested in, you know, learning about you ancient
Speaker 6: Egyptian culture. It's a really really good book for you know, beginners,
Speaker 6: you know, to learn the sort of elementaries about the
Speaker 6: ancient Gyptian civilization. Well, anyway, in doctor Lennar's book, he
Speaker 6: lists the first nineteen pyramids, and this takes us up
Speaker 6: from the very first pyramid that built at Sikara, the
Speaker 6: step Pyramid, right up to the Pyramid of Mankaura at Giza.
Speaker 6: Now there's that's a total of nineteen pyramids, but three
Speaker 6: of them we know barely got off the ground, were
Speaker 6: never completed. So in that list there you've got sixteen pyramids,
Speaker 6: and that takes you up to the end of the
Speaker 6: great pyramid building age, funnily enough, you know. So what
Speaker 6: I then did. I took the sixteen completed pyramids and
Speaker 6: IP plotted them onto a map of Giza. And I
Speaker 6: didn't think anything would come of it. But what I
Speaker 6: found when I look back and saw what I had
Speaker 6: plotted was it. I don't know if you're familiar, and
Speaker 6: Sorayah with the sort of classic image of a Cyrus,
Speaker 6: the god of Cyrus. He stands there with his active crown.
Speaker 6: Now the active crown is a white crown with three
Speaker 6: prongs which came out at the top of the crown
Speaker 6: and in the center. The center prong of the crown
Speaker 6: is slightly taller than the two at the sides, and
Speaker 6: he stands straight down. He has his arms crossed with
Speaker 6: a crook and flail one in each hand, and then
Speaker 6: his body straight down. You know, that's a classic Cyrus figure.
Speaker 6: What I found when I plotted these sixteen you know,
Speaker 6: these first pyramids onto the ground at Giza. In Egypt,
Speaker 6: you've got the step pyramid at Sakara, you've got the
Speaker 6: pyramids at dash Shure, you've got the pyramids at Giza,
Speaker 6: you've got the pyramids at Abbey, rewashed, the pyramids that
Speaker 6: may Doom. So I plotted all those onto the ground,
Speaker 6: and lo and behold. I couldn't believe it. It created
Speaker 6: what I call a sort of outline, a basic outline,
Speaker 6: a stick man if you like, all the classic Asiris
Speaker 6: figure with the crown with the three problems, the center
Speaker 6: one slightly longer, the crossed arms with the crooking flu
Speaker 6: and then the legs just going straight down. You know,
Speaker 6: you know from the very top pyramid, which is the
Speaker 6: highest pyramid that represented the highest the highest point of
Speaker 6: this Asirius figure. The pyramidwash is the highest pyramid, and
Speaker 6: I think in Egypt. Actually don't quote me on that,
Speaker 6: but I think it's certainly in the Memphite region that's
Speaker 6: the highest pyramid going down all the way down to Maydoom.
Speaker 6: It created the classic outline shape of the god Osiris
Speaker 6: when I plotted these for sixteen pyramids onto a map
Speaker 6: of Giza. So there you go, that's the sixteen pyramids.
Speaker 6: That's where the whole concept comes from. But the secret
Speaker 6: chamber aspect of it, what that is is isis if
Speaker 6: the sixteen pyramids are visible, these are the visible pyramids.
Speaker 6: We're told that isis found all those parts. Now, this
Speaker 6: is all allegorical mythology we're dealing with here. You know,
Speaker 6: we're giving hidden messages in this myth This is what
Speaker 6: I think we're being told. So she found all the
Speaker 6: sixteen parts because hey, they're up in the ground, they're visible.
Speaker 6: You can see them for twenty thirty forty miles away. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so she could find all those, but there's a parts
Speaker 6: she couldn't find. And what I think that is saying
Speaker 6: is that there's a hidden maybe not a pyramid as such,
Speaker 6: but there's a hidden vault because each of the pyramids
Speaker 6: have vaults inside them. There's a hidden vault, a secret
Speaker 6: chamber somewhere close, I think to geezer, and that is
Speaker 6: what the Secret Chamber of Osiris is all about. I
Speaker 6: actually went to Egypt. I pinpointed. I came up with
Speaker 6: a theory that pinpointed where I believe that secret chamber
Speaker 6: actually was, and I went to Egypt back in two
Speaker 6: thousand and eight to try and find it. So that's
Speaker 6: that's essentially what the secret Chamber of a Siens Lost
Speaker 6: knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids. That's the bare bones of
Speaker 6: what the book is about.
Speaker 4: Okay. And there are a lot of different legends about
Speaker 4: hidden chambers, aren't there.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean you know, yeah, there's there's there's
Speaker 6: many many tales of secret knowledge, hall of records, you know.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's that's come down to us. There's a
Speaker 6: specific one about Thoth hide the secret knowledge the Books
Speaker 6: of Osiris basically somewhere you know in Egypt, somewhere you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's invisible, you know, these these these specifically
Speaker 6: says that this chamber is unseen, which to me implies, well,
Speaker 6: that means it must be a bray chamber of some kind.
Speaker 6: As as I said earlier, I came up with a
Speaker 6: theory where I believed this this secret chamber was actually located.
Speaker 6: And a funny thing is I actually when was it.
Speaker 6: I think it was in two thousand and nine something
Speaker 6: something like that. I wrote to doctor Zahi Hawass, who
Speaker 6: was then the you know, the head guy and the
Speaker 6: Supreme Council of Antiquities in Egypt, right, and I told
Speaker 6: him about the theory and we I believe this chamber
Speaker 6: might be and you know, it was. It was quite incredible.
Speaker 6: Within a few months of that email going to doctor Hawass,
Speaker 6: the site was being majorly excavated. Now, this is a
Speaker 6: site that's been it's laying untouched, you know, for millions
Speaker 6: of years, and then all of a sudden, I write
Speaker 6: to Hallass with this theory, you know, I explain it
Speaker 6: to you know, and then you know, a few months later,
Speaker 6: it's been majorly excavated. Now that could just be pure coincidence,
Speaker 6: you know, it could be, but hey, you know, there
Speaker 6: could be more to.
Speaker 4: Maybe he figured there's a chance you're right, better look
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 6: Well, well that's well, that's that's that's basically it could
Speaker 6: be that. The thing is, if you've gone to Google
Speaker 6: leaf No, you can actually look at the site and
Speaker 6: you can see it's it's been completely concrete. It loose
Speaker 6: like it's been concreted over, completely concreted over. And actually
Speaker 6: a guy that had been working with he sent me
Speaker 6: some once I'd identified this location, he sent me some
Speaker 6: gamma processed images of the actual location. And you know,
Speaker 6: to me, there looks as if and to him as well,
Speaker 6: there looks as if there is a geometric forum under
Speaker 6: that spot that I identified, but again and it's now
Speaker 6: been concreted over, so I don't know. I could be
Speaker 6: making a mountain out of a pyramid out of a mohile.
Speaker 6: Who knows, but it's certainly very interesting.
Speaker 4: Now you had tried to actually walked that location.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did, as I said, I identified where I
Speaker 6: thought this chamber, the secret hidden chamber, the lost part
Speaker 6: of a Cyrus was. And in two thousand and eight
Speaker 6: I went into the Gezer Plateau and headed basically southwest,
Speaker 6: and eventually I I met this barrier, this thirteen foot
Speaker 6: fence wire fence, and I couldn't go any further. Basically,
Speaker 6: I tried to get over the fence, which you probably
Speaker 6: read in the book, and it didn't It didn't turn
Speaker 6: out too well. It certainly didn't turn out too well,
Speaker 6: but you know it was it was certainly an adventure.
Speaker 6: So anyway, the next day I tried to you know,
Speaker 6: even today, I mean I wrote to Hawass and asked
Speaker 6: him about this fence, because this fence is called Hawass's wall.
Speaker 6: You know, it just literally cuts off the entire Geze
Speaker 6: of plateau for for like miles. You know, you just
Speaker 6: can't get beyond this fence. That was me heading through
Speaker 6: the Giza Plateo heading southwest. Now what I did the
Speaker 6: next day, once I came up to know was confronted
Speaker 6: by that obstacle. The next day, I tried a different tact.
Speaker 6: I walked right round the Giza Plateau, heading due south,
Speaker 6: but on the main road, and all the way down
Speaker 6: I could see these, I could see the fence. I
Speaker 6: could see these towers, these these probably stone concrete towers
Speaker 6: with guards in them, with rifles and whatnot, and it
Speaker 6: was all fenced. Often I kept walking, I must have.
Speaker 6: I don't know how many kilometers are I walked, probably
Speaker 6: maybe about five kilometers or something, maybe six or seven kilometers,
Speaker 6: just kept going, and then eventually I came to a
Speaker 6: gate I was beyond. I could see to the left.
Speaker 6: I was beyond hallasses wall at this point. But I've
Speaker 6: still got this this fence, and it continued for miles
Speaker 6: as well. I was trying to come up to the
Speaker 6: secret location of what I call the apex point of
Speaker 6: where I thought this this hidden chamber might be from
Speaker 6: the south, I was trying to where was before I
Speaker 6: attempted it from the north. Now I was trying to
Speaker 6: come at it from the south to walk up towards
Speaker 6: it from the south, but I couldn't get in from
Speaker 6: that direction nine because there's this fence that just went
Speaker 6: for miles and miles and miles, you know. So that was,
Speaker 6: I mean, the reason I wanted to get to that
Speaker 6: particular spot. I mean, I wasn't to I didn't have
Speaker 6: like a you know, a shovel or a spade in
Speaker 6: a back a pick accident. I just wanted to kind
Speaker 6: of go to that spot because of the significance which
Speaker 6: I think is geometrically attached to that spot. And that's
Speaker 6: had taken with me at the time. I'd got made
Speaker 6: a small granite made of Scottish granite pyramidian, a small pyramid.
Speaker 6: You can hold it, you can hold it in one hand,
Speaker 6: and on the base of it, I had what I
Speaker 6: called the great Gezer triangle. If you read the book,
Speaker 6: it makes sense to you. So I had that on
Speaker 6: the base of the pyramid because this theory, which I
Speaker 6: call the centroid theory, creates this great Gezer triangle and
Speaker 6: that points to this specific location. So I had that
Speaker 6: engraved on the base of the very spot at this triangle,
Speaker 6: this great triangle Geza points to and I was hoping
Speaker 6: to bury it, you know, bury this small pyramid pyramidian
Speaker 6: under the sands at that location, but say a few
Speaker 6: words from the hymn to a Cyrus at the same time.
Speaker 6: So it was it was more really like a sort
Speaker 6: of a homage we like to the builders, because I
Speaker 6: still even to this day, believe that there may be
Speaker 6: something important at that specific location.
Speaker 4: And it's weird that they would have concrete towers with
Speaker 4: guards and everything else pretty much just off in the
Speaker 4: middle of the desert.
Speaker 6: Well, the explanation doctor Hawas sent back to me was basically,
Speaker 6: what was it, This is to protect our guests of
Speaker 6: Egypt this you know, it was just that short and
Speaker 6: that bland basically. I mean, I know Egypt back then,
Speaker 6: you know, did have problems with the tourists being kidnapped
Speaker 6: and so forth. But I mean it was it was
Speaker 6: very very rare, you know, you know, so and you
Speaker 6: don't have other sites like sites that you know, Sakara
Speaker 6: or may Doom or any dash. Sure you don't. You know,
Speaker 6: the pyramids there, they're not fenced off like that at all,
Speaker 6: you know, so it just seemed a bit strange, the
Speaker 6: very very I mean I have stood soaya, I have
Speaker 6: stood between the paws of the Great Sphinx, looking at
Speaker 6: the dream stella, reading the dream stella between the paws
Speaker 6: of the Great Sphinx. Now there are I'm an amateur egyptologists. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I study ancient Egypt on an amateur basis. Now there
Speaker 6: are badge carrying Egyptologists, fullly professional qualfee qualified Egyptolists that
Speaker 6: haven't been allowed to do that. No, because it's such
Speaker 6: a well guarded place, and the permissions to get to
Speaker 6: go in there are you know, hard to come by,
Speaker 6: but not impossible. Yeah. M so I was able to
Speaker 6: get in there, but I couldn't get into that spot
Speaker 6: where us it's nothing but sand, you know. So it
Speaker 6: just it seems. It seemed a bit strange. It seemed
Speaker 6: a bit bizarre. But hey, you know, one of these
Speaker 6: days I will go back and I will make another attempt.
Speaker 4: Now, when you mentioned the Sphinx, I think the most
Speaker 4: famous secret chamber that most people are aware of is
Speaker 4: the one Casey predicted underneath the Pauw the Sphinx.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've I've read I've read a
Speaker 6: bit about that. I've read that the you know, some
Speaker 6: test bores drills we were put, you know, under the ground,
Speaker 6: and I think there's been some cavities found there, but
Speaker 6: you know, maybe there is, you know, I think, I
Speaker 6: mean to to my mind, the whole the whole concept
Speaker 6: of building these pyramids, it was a it was a
Speaker 6: one off project. And you know, because this is this
Speaker 6: is one of the things that the ancient Gypsum's tell us.
Speaker 6: One of the myths or legends that come down to us.
Speaker 6: There's two stories, two main stories about the purpose of
Speaker 6: these giant pyramids that come down to us from ancient
Speaker 6: times and the stories that the were preserved by the
Speaker 6: Arab chroniclers is that the pyramids were built as tombs.
Speaker 6: But the Arab chroniclers also tell us that the pyramids,
Speaker 6: I'll come back to this sphinx thing in a few
Speaker 6: moments that the Arab chronicles also tell us that the
Speaker 6: pyramids were also built effectively to secure the kingdom against
Speaker 6: a great deluge that the ancient Gypsums believed was about
Speaker 6: to strike their their kingdom. Well, not just about the
Speaker 6: reckon that would happen in three hundred years, that's what
Speaker 6: the king's astronomer priests told them. Something happened in the heavens,
Speaker 6: and King Saurid asked his astronomer priests what does this
Speaker 6: change in the heavens mean? And they told the king
Speaker 6: in three hundred years time, there was going to be
Speaker 6: a great deluge which will drown the entire country. That's
Speaker 6: what they told them. And the king said, okay, we're
Speaker 6: going to build pyramids, and in those pyramids we are
Speaker 6: going to secure everything that we need to ensure that
Speaker 6: the kingdom can be reborn again and can rise like
Speaker 6: a phoenix from the ashes of its destruction. So and
Speaker 6: that is essentially what I call project a Cirius because
Speaker 6: a Cyrus you may know us, was identified with grain.
Speaker 6: He's a god, ancient Gyptrin god of rebirth, of regeneration,
Speaker 6: but also the ancient Gyptian god of agriculture, and grain
Speaker 6: is symbolized by grain. Now, that is one of the
Speaker 6: main things that they would have stored in these pyramids,
Speaker 6: with seeds of all kinds, all manner of seeds, balle wheaked,
Speaker 6: all types of grain, corn, you know, tomato, seeds, peppersed,
Speaker 6: you know, every type of seed that they would need
Speaker 6: in order to reseed the kingdom after it was completely
Speaker 6: washed away by this great deluge that they believed was
Speaker 6: coming their way. Now, whether it did or not, as
Speaker 6: acts material, they believe that was that was going to happen.
Speaker 6: So this is this was their preemptive action in order
Speaker 6: to try and save their civilization. They built these sixteen pyramids,
Speaker 6: and in these pyramids is stored one of one of
Speaker 6: the things that would have stored as a whole load
Speaker 6: of seeds, grains of all kinds. Now, remember earlier I
Speaker 6: said that the first sixteen pyramids of you plot them
Speaker 6: on a map, they give you a woundimentary outline figure
Speaker 6: of the classic of Ciris. Yeah, well that was the
Speaker 6: body of Asiris. That or that came to those sixteen
Speaker 6: pyramids came to represent the body of Asiris cut up
Speaker 6: into sixteen pieces, as the myth legend of Asiris tells us. Now,
Speaker 6: they would have stored a lot of grain in those pyramids. Now,
Speaker 6: if you look at the Pyramid of Skara or the
Speaker 6: step pyramid at Sicara, that's the first pyramid that the
Speaker 6: ancient Gypsy's built. They didn't find a pharaoh's body in there.
Speaker 6: That's I found a bit of bone wrapped in mummy
Speaker 6: wrapping a foot I think it was, but it was
Speaker 6: it was carbon dated to be thousands of years after
Speaker 6: you know, Zosa, who was the king that's supposed to
Speaker 6: have built this pyramid. Now, they didn't find any king
Speaker 6: in there. But what they did find in the Step
Speaker 6: Pyramid at Sicara was you know, tons and tons and
Speaker 6: tons of grain, tens of thousands of storage vessels of
Speaker 6: all kinds, tens of about forty thousand of them. And
Speaker 6: you know, under the Step pyramid does corridors as passageways
Speaker 6: that literally, I know, there's it's a warren, it's kilometers
Speaker 6: of passageways. And nearly explorers, the first explorers nearly twentieth
Speaker 6: century that we're under the pyramid complex at Sakara, they
Speaker 6: were walking through passageways, you know, almost knee deep in
Speaker 6: grainy you know. So this is what I'm saying. And
Speaker 6: there's evidence of secondary evidence as well that the Great
Speaker 6: Pyramid once contained massive amounts of grain. Explained that in
Speaker 6: the book. So this is what I'm saying. The body
Speaker 6: of a Ciris, you know, Cyrus was identified with grain
Speaker 6: and agriculture, you know, because that's what they put in
Speaker 6: these pyramids. And the funny thing is, you know, the
Speaker 6: later festivals that the ancient gypsum later Donesses would have
Speaker 6: a festival called the Festival of Kuak, and this was
Speaker 6: a festival to celebrate the death and birth of Osiris.
Speaker 6: And what the ancient Egypsums in these later dynasties would
Speaker 6: do is they would create small dolls are made of clay,
Speaker 6: about eighteen inches twenty inches tall. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 6: just made of clay, and inside the clay, inside the mud,
Speaker 6: they would fill it, would make a cavity and fill
Speaker 6: it with grain. Yeah, and then they would wrap it
Speaker 6: in linen, and then they would bury it in the
Speaker 6: ground and put a big rock on top of it,
Speaker 6: symbolized in the pyramid. Sometimes they would even put the
Speaker 6: doll in what was called it's like a miniature for
Speaker 6: all intense purposes, like a miniature sarcophagus. Yeah, and they
Speaker 6: would bury that in the ground and stick a big
Speaker 6: rock on top of it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So here we have the ancient Egyptians knew that what
Speaker 6: was originally in these first sixteen pyramids. They knew it
Speaker 6: was once upon a time filled with grain because it
Speaker 6: was the body of a cyris cut into sixteen pieces, yeah,
Speaker 6: a scattered across the land of Egypt. But originally it
Speaker 6: was filled with grain. This is why later on they're making,
Speaker 6: you know, small effigies of a cyrus filling the interior
Speaker 6: of the body with grain. They're doing the same thing,
Speaker 6: but obviously and you know, symbolic ceremonial fashion. And one
Speaker 6: of the other things that they would do Soria is
Speaker 6: they would they would they would create these small like
Speaker 6: stone boxes, like miniature sarcophagus. Yeah, and they would fill
Speaker 6: it with earth and scatter some seeds on the earth,
Speaker 6: and then they would bury this box. They put a
Speaker 6: lid on it. You know, this is only about eighteen
Speaker 6: twenty inches long. They would bury it in the sand
Speaker 6: and they would put a big rock on top of it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so you've got a box of earth with a big
Speaker 6: rock on top of it. What's that all about. Well,
Speaker 6: if you go back to the actual pyramids, we find
Speaker 6: in the pyramids, well, you know, the pyramid of Cafra
Speaker 6: at Gizer, that's the one that looks the tallest, but
Speaker 6: that's it's not the Great Pyramid, but it looks like
Speaker 6: the great pyramids won in the Middle at Gezer Giant Pyramid.
Speaker 6: When Duo Vanni Bolzoni went into that pyramid in eighteen eighteen,
Speaker 6: he got to the chamber, he saw the stone granite,
Speaker 6: stone box, which he Gittall just called a sarcophagus, but
Speaker 6: which I call a nebank, and nebank means a possessor
Speaker 6: or container of life. Bozoni opened his box. He didn't
Speaker 6: find a body in it. What do you think you
Speaker 6: found in it?
Speaker 4: Wasn't it the bonds of a ball?
Speaker 6: That's partly correct. He found it filled with earth, all right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: he found it filled with earth. And when he sifted
Speaker 6: through this earth he found fragments of bull bones. And
Speaker 6: again the bull is connected with asyrus. The bull is
Speaker 6: connected with grain because in the fields of bulls would
Speaker 6: trample the grain into the ground so that it would Germany.
Speaker 6: You know. So this was achathonic ritual. These stone boxes
Speaker 6: had nothing to do with burying a king. It was
Speaker 6: an earth ritual. This box of earth was a tathonic
Speaker 6: earth ritual about the earth being reborn, the kingdom being reborn,
Speaker 6: not the king being reborn. That would come later, you know,
Speaker 6: much later after these pyramids which were built for a
Speaker 6: very perfunctory, practical reason to assist the kingdom and being
Speaker 6: reborn after the deluge had destroyed it, which well, we
Speaker 6: don't know if the deluge occurred. But if it did,
Speaker 6: then the pyramids did their job. They were obviously eventually
Speaker 6: emptied of all their their their their content. But in
Speaker 6: time the pyramids structure itself would be associated with rebirth.
Speaker 6: You know. The pyramid shape is associated with the There's
Speaker 6: a thing called the the apex of the pyramid. The
Speaker 6: capstone is called the ben Benz stone, which is named
Speaker 6: after the Egyptian bird, the Benue bird. The bird has
Speaker 6: similar properties and eusp to the phoenix, whereby it's associated
Speaker 6: with things that rise from the dead or rise up
Speaker 6: from the ashes of its destruction. That's what the pyramid
Speaker 6: shape symbolizes, you know. So all this material, you know,
Speaker 6: it's all about the rebirth of the earth. You know.
Speaker 6: The ancient Egyptian creation myth talks about, you know, the
Speaker 6: the pyramid coming up out of the floodwaters, you know,
Speaker 6: and the pyramid opening up, and everything in creation comes
Speaker 6: out of the pyramids. It's what's inside the pyramid that
Speaker 6: comes out that allows the kingdom to be reborn, that
Speaker 6: allows the civilization to reboot itself. This is what their
Speaker 6: creation myth is telling us, you know. So this is
Speaker 6: what the Arab texts tell us. But obviously in later
Speaker 6: times these pyramids would be repurposed as toms because they
Speaker 6: would become in time religious icons associated with rebirth. It
Speaker 6: a regeneration machine. So the king, well, he's thinking, no,
Speaker 6: I want a piece of that action, So he gets
Speaker 6: himself put in these things. He might even have built
Speaker 6: a smaller one for himself, you know, as the religion developed,
Speaker 6: you know, as the Cyrus cult developed in time, you know,
Speaker 6: this is essentially what happened. But in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 6: these were practical things. Now coming back to the Sphinx, Yeah,
Speaker 6: coming back to the Sphinx, which about the chamber down below.
Speaker 6: It seems to me that you know, if you're building
Speaker 6: a recovery system and you're putting in recovery items, you
Speaker 6: know you want needs to be found as quickly as possible.
Speaker 6: So the one thing you're going to do is make
Speaker 6: them as big as possible and strong as possible. People
Speaker 6: can see them for miles away. Yep, you want them found.
Speaker 6: But that's not something you would want if you were
Speaker 6: the king of idiot. You don't want your you don't
Speaker 6: want everybody every tomb raid on the land known where
Speaker 6: your tomb is. You just don't you know. So that's
Speaker 6: a complete contradiction that Egyptologists are presenting us with. Right, So,
Speaker 6: but you do want it found as quickly as possible.
Speaker 6: If these are like recovery vaults or arcs, you want
Speaker 6: it found as quickly as possible. Now, where are you
Speaker 6: going to put your precious items? Are you going to
Speaker 6: put them in the pyramids? Are you are you going
Speaker 6: to put them somewhere else? Because if people know that
Speaker 6: there's precious items in these pyramids, you know, as soon
Speaker 6: as they're sealed up, you know, people are going to
Speaker 6: be breaking into them because they know there's there's precious
Speaker 6: stuff in there. There's precious items artifacts in there, they're
Speaker 6: going to get broken into. But if people know, well,
Speaker 6: all that's in it is some tools and grain, they're
Speaker 6: not going to bother. They just won't bother. Yeah, So,
Speaker 6: whether you're going to put your precious you know, religious
Speaker 6: material artifacts, you're going to store them away somewhere that's hidden.
Speaker 6: That's why I'm thinking, well, the sphinx isn't actually hidden.
Speaker 6: You can see it, you know, So would there really
Speaker 6: be a cavity under there under the sphinx? You know,
Speaker 6: to put presss items because you know, you want you
Speaker 6: want these items to be found by not not just
Speaker 6: your average you know, tomb raider. You know who's who's
Speaker 6: basically you know, just wanting it for his own ends
Speaker 6: to enriches, enrich himself. You want to be found by
Speaker 6: people of enlightened minds. So you're going to make it
Speaker 6: not obvious where this material is buried. And this is
Speaker 6: explained in the book. So I don't think personally, I
Speaker 6: don't think the sphinx there will be anything of any
Speaker 6: great significance found under in this cavity, under those sphinx.
Speaker 6: But I do think the sphinx serves a very very
Speaker 6: crucial function at the Gezer site, and that's also explained
Speaker 6: in the book. It's part of the Gezer star clock.
Speaker 6: Part of the plan, part of the plan of Project
Speaker 6: Aside is to build these sixteen pyramids, was to arrange
Speaker 6: some of them, these are the ones at Giza, into
Speaker 6: a star clock so that they could tell, you know,
Speaker 6: they could mark the date when this you know, site
Speaker 6: was created, when this event occurred to you like, where
Speaker 6: they started building these pyramids. They've marked a date when
Speaker 6: they started building these pyramids, and the date from what
Speaker 6: I can tell from what I've been able to research
Speaker 6: and work out, is seventeen thousand BC. Almost these structures
Speaker 6: are almost nineteen thousand years old. And the remarkable thing
Speaker 6: is sorayah that corresponds with the start of the end
Speaker 6: of the last Ice Age, which is almost about twenty
Speaker 6: thousand nineteen, twenty thousand years ago. You know, so something
Speaker 6: we don't know what happened to bring about the termination
Speaker 6: of the last Ice Age. We're still not absolutely certain
Speaker 6: why that happened. What was the trigger that caused these
Speaker 6: great ice sheets to suddenly begin to melt after hundreds
Speaker 6: of thousands of years? What was the trigger? Did some
Speaker 6: did the earth pole move where these great ice sheets
Speaker 6: moved into a warmer climate where it started, you know,
Speaker 6: to melt. And if that is the case, then it
Speaker 6: probably the myth that's come down to is that the
Speaker 6: Gypsians saw something in the sky so that the stars
Speaker 6: had moved from the normal course and that this would
Speaker 6: mean in you know, three hundred years time, a great
Speaker 6: flood would come. Well, it may all be part of
Speaker 6: the same thing.
Speaker 4: Right right then, the we got we gotta actually take
Speaker 4: a quick break. Yeah, we'll be right back with Scottlancker.
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Speaker 4: All right, we're talking with Scott Wright. Tonightey's latest book
Speaker 4: is The Secret Chamber of Osirius Lost Knowledge of the
Speaker 4: Sixteen Pyramids, And uh, you're actually only the second person
Speaker 4: I've ever heard called the Pyramids arcs. The first was
Speaker 4: Edmund Marriage with the Golden Age Project, but they talked
Speaker 4: about people actually hiding in the pyramids as well. His
Speaker 4: belief is that there was a commentary impact and the
Speaker 4: pyramids we used to store not only grain and such,
Speaker 4: but actually people.
Speaker 6: Well, I I don't I don't know about that. I'm
Speaker 6: probably don't go along with Saraiah because just basically because
Speaker 6: of the way that the Pyramids were sealed. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: they were sealed pretty tight, but not impregnable. This is
Speaker 6: this is one of the remarkable things about the Great Pyramid.
Speaker 6: You know, it's supposed to be a tomb of the
Speaker 6: feral Cufu, but when you actually look at the physical
Speaker 6: and practicalities of securing what was supposedly Cufu's burial chamber,
Speaker 6: of the King's chamber and the Great Pyramid. It just
Speaker 6: does not add up at all. And this is explained
Speaker 6: explained in the book. So, no, I don't really think
Speaker 6: that you know, that they were they were arcs for
Speaker 6: people or such, because I think beside the pyramids there
Speaker 6: are these I think people would probably have gone in boats,
Speaker 6: you know, boat arcs if you like. And beside the pyramids,
Speaker 6: you know, every pyramid at gas and most pyramids there
Speaker 6: are these massive boat pits where there was massive boats,
Speaker 6: I suggest, and those boats were there for you know,
Speaker 6: obviously the elite of the people, you know, would take
Speaker 6: to the boats, you know, so they've they've stored all
Speaker 6: the stuff that they need to reboot their kingdom in
Speaker 6: the arcs, the pyramid arcs that they built, and they
Speaker 6: would take to the boats beside the pyramid arcs. Now
Speaker 6: the thing is as well, sir, you know the early
Speaker 6: Christian writers actually there's images that we've got from from
Speaker 6: Christian times which actually showed that the the arc in
Speaker 6: the early Christian times was described as a pyramid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a drawing in the book on that's.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, you know, so it's not a fantastic, you know,
Speaker 6: out there theory after all our own civilization. It's kind
Speaker 6: of doing the same thing where we have seed vaults
Speaker 6: you know, all over the world and secret bunkers all
Speaker 6: over the world. And I've also got a backup to
Speaker 6: these seed vaults and Svalbard in the Arctic Circle. It
Speaker 6: opened in two thousand and eight, and that has got
Speaker 6: seeds stored there from all over the world and massive
Speaker 6: vaults in the Svalbard Global Seed Vault in case some
Speaker 6: catasiphe unforeseen catasaphe happens to the Earth. You know. So
Speaker 6: we're kind of doing the same thing, except the ancient
Speaker 6: Egyptians really believed something was going to happen because they
Speaker 6: saw something and the hivens that really worried them.
Speaker 4: And when you get to the end of the ice edge,
Speaker 4: just a polish shift wouldn't have been enough to melt
Speaker 4: the ice caps as quickly as they melted. I mean
Speaker 4: it's like what under one hundred years they say they
Speaker 4: completely melted. No, it quicker, Well.
Speaker 6: They melted over you know, several thousand years. The thing
Speaker 6: is the way the ice sheets melt, it's gradually you know,
Speaker 6: generally speaking, it would be gradual.
Speaker 4: Well I think it started out gradual, but there was
Speaker 4: some events because very very suddenly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. What happens is the ice, the ice
Speaker 6: melts into effects of effectively what what is a big
Speaker 6: kind of bowl of water in the middle of the
Speaker 6: ice sheet. Yeah, and there's there's moraine that's built up,
Speaker 6: you know, like gravel and stuff and ice, and it's
Speaker 6: basically blocking all the holding all this water in. But
Speaker 6: eventually the water builds up so much as the ice
Speaker 6: melts at the pressure of the water is so great
Speaker 6: that these moraine dams burst, their breached and then you
Speaker 6: have a massive outpouring of you know, it defies description, really,
Speaker 6: you know, the most massive mega flood you could imagine.
Speaker 6: And one of these mega floods, I think it's lake
Speaker 6: gases mega frut that raighsed the global sea level. One
Speaker 6: estimate is raised the global sea level almost two meters, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it wouldn't and it wouldn't just raise it, it
Speaker 4: would cause tsunamis Earth except.
Speaker 6: An imaginable devastation all over the globe. You know. So
Speaker 6: most of the world's populations then as now living along
Speaker 6: the coastlines. Yeah, and so suddenly you've got the sea
Speaker 6: risen almost two meters. You know, that's horrendous devastation all
Speaker 6: over the world. You know. So, yeah, the ice melt,
Speaker 6: the sea level right, the sea level back then, you know,
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen thousand years ago, was four hundred feet lower
Speaker 6: than it is now. There was a gradual rise, yeah,
Speaker 6: but these gradual rises were punctuated by massive sudden leaps
Speaker 6: in sea level, which would have devastated you know, cultures,
Speaker 6: civilizations all over the world.
Speaker 4: And one of the things I really liked that you
Speaker 4: did in this book is you kind of did a
Speaker 4: lot of research on Howard Vice.
Speaker 6: Old Vice. Yeah, yeah, what a guy. Yeah, I did
Speaker 6: this was this was actually part of something that I
Speaker 6: was investigating about some of Zechariah's Sitchen's work. Sich was
Speaker 6: the guy who first claimed that Howard Advice faked the
Speaker 6: markings in these hidden chambers above the King's Chamber of
Speaker 6: the Great Pyramid. There's these painted marks that Howard Advice
Speaker 6: apparently discovered in eighteen thirty seven, and Siction basically claimed
Speaker 6: that how Advice and faked these marks himself. Fortunately sicis
Speaker 6: argument it could have it could have done his research
Speaker 6: a little bit better. Some of his arguments there. I
Speaker 6: agree with the skeptics. There's there's some big holes there,
Speaker 6: but not in everything. Some of the things that said
Speaker 6: still hold true today. One of the things pieces of
Speaker 6: evidence that sitch And presented was a log book entry
Speaker 6: from a guy called Walter Allen who lived in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: And in this log book, which Walter Allen wrote in
Speaker 6: nineteen fifty four, he was an amateur genealogist and he
Speaker 6: was researching his family's history. Was speaking to his mother
Speaker 6: and some aunts and family elders, and they basically told
Speaker 6: him a story about his great grandfather, a guy called
Speaker 6: Humphreys Brewer, who worked with Howard Weice in eighteen thirty
Speaker 6: seven at the Pyramids. And the story that was passed
Speaker 6: down to Walter Allen was this little segment where Humphreys
Speaker 6: Brewer had an argument, a disagreement with a couple of
Speaker 6: vices other assistants, a couple of a guy called Waving
Speaker 6: and another guy called Hill, about painting marks in the pyramid.
Speaker 6: Brewer says, that's come down to us is that some
Speaker 6: marks were repainted, faint marks were repainted, but somewhere new
Speaker 6: you know. So this is him basically saying Vice and
Speaker 6: his guys and he was arguing with him about this
Speaker 6: about painting marks inside the pyramid. Now that to me,
Speaker 6: I researched that. I said, well, wait a minute, is
Speaker 6: there anything that backs up what you know, how Humphrey's
Speaker 6: Brewer is actually saying. So some people, some of the skeptics,
Speaker 6: the debunkers, were saying, oh, this guy, Humphrey's Brewer didn't
Speaker 6: even exist because he's not mentioned anywhere. And How Advices
Speaker 6: published books right, and he published them too, full volumes
Speaker 6: under an appendix, and he's not mentioned in any of them.
Speaker 6: Why you know. So I thought, well, that's that. That's
Speaker 6: a bit odd. That's a bit odd. So am I thought, right, well,
Speaker 6: what can I do here? So I managed to track
Speaker 6: how ad Vice's field notes, his actual handwritten field notes,
Speaker 6: to a small sort of library down in Aylesbury and
Speaker 6: the north North London. I managed to find his actual
Speaker 6: handwritten field notes, not his published notes, because I thought, well,
Speaker 6: if I could find those, maybe he mentions Humphreys Brewer
Speaker 6: in his field notes, but just didn't but redacted them
Speaker 6: from his published book his published books because of what
Speaker 6: he was basically saying that, you know, hey, you're a fraud.
Speaker 6: You know who's going to write that, you know, that
Speaker 6: story in their published account?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking, well, maybe maybe I can prove Humphrey's
Speaker 6: Brewer was it Egypt in eighteen thirty seven by finding
Speaker 6: the guy's you know, written notes. And I managed to
Speaker 6: find the notes, and I managed I found a whole
Speaker 6: lot more in those written notes, and I bargained for
Speaker 6: and it's explained in the book.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, and you you really put a lot of
Speaker 4: work into researching him too. I mean you said his
Speaker 4: writing was especially unlegible.
Speaker 6: It's shockingly bad, you know. I was reading certain passages
Speaker 6: of his handwriting, you know, and I was spending days
Speaker 6: literally on one line, literally on one line. I was
Speaker 6: spending days, you know. So, but fortunately I got some
Speaker 6: help from various places, including some archivis in a very
Speaker 6: famous library here in Glasgow, the Mitchell Library, And there's
Speaker 6: some really good people in there who were used to handling,
Speaker 6: you know, early nineteenth century documents, handwritten documents, and they
Speaker 6: were able to help me fairly substantially to read some
Speaker 6: of it. And the other thing as well, because he
Speaker 6: wrote these books as well. I could actually use his
Speaker 6: published books and go to the same date in the
Speaker 6: handwritten notes and crosscheck to try and find words, you know,
Speaker 6: And I was able to do that. So eventually I
Speaker 6: was able to get a grasp, a fairly good grasp.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say I'm by any means an expert, because
Speaker 6: there's still large you know, his writing. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you have the same problem in the States there, sarayah.
Speaker 6: But you know, when we get a doctor's prescription here,
Speaker 6: you know, to go to the pharmacy for some drug,
Speaker 6: it's just like a line, you know, but you know,
Speaker 6: somehow the pharmacist can read it. You know, it's incredible,
Speaker 6: you know. So it's almost like that in some instances,
Speaker 6: you know. So, but eventually I was able to read
Speaker 6: some of his his handwriting. But some of the things
Speaker 6: the great irony here is that he wrote some hieroglyphs
Speaker 6: in his handwritten notes, which I could read no problem,
Speaker 6: you know, because you know, I could read these, no problem,
Speaker 6: But I couldn't read his own handwriting. So but but
Speaker 6: the irony is that the hieroglyphs that he wrote in
Speaker 6: his book totally contradicted what he'd written in his published book. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, so, h this is this, this, this, this,
Speaker 6: this really raised some big, big questions about the authenticity
Speaker 6: of those marks, and I put the detail of that
Speaker 6: in this book. But since then I've found a whole
Speaker 6: lot more material that I mean, have advice. Just just
Speaker 6: to give your listeners a brief synopsis. The guy was
Speaker 6: it was a military and he came from a wealthy,
Speaker 6: wealthy family, was what we call the landed gentry here
Speaker 6: in the UK. You know, his family were very wealthy landowners.
Speaker 6: And he became a politician. He was an MP for
Speaker 6: some time. But the way he came about being an MP.
Speaker 6: I explained that in the book as well. He basically
Speaker 6: bribed his way into becoming an MP, which which was
Speaker 6: basically against the law at the time. He broke the
Speaker 6: law to to become an MP. You know, he wouldn't.
Speaker 6: He's the kind of guy that, you know, if he
Speaker 6: couldn't get what he wanted by conventional, you know, legitimate means,
Speaker 6: he would he wouldn't be shy about, you know, doing
Speaker 6: what needed to be done to get he wanted.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So this is the kind of guy that you're dealing
Speaker 6: with here. So how advice. Yeah, I rite, there's there's
Speaker 6: a chapter in the book about him. But as I said,
Speaker 6: I've found a whole load more material about this, this
Speaker 6: fraud that I believe strongly he perpetrated in eighteen thirty
Speaker 6: seven with with his with a couple of his assistants
Speaker 6: and all. As I said, there's a considerable amount of
Speaker 6: evidence in Secret Chamber of Osiris. But my new book
Speaker 6: Great Pyramid Hoax, which will be coming out next year,
Speaker 6: has got a whole load more new evidence to put forward,
Speaker 6: which essentially, to my mind, proves beyond a reasonable doubt
Speaker 6: that the markings that he claims were genuine are not
Speaker 6: genuine at all. And the thing that does Soriah basically
Speaker 6: because it's the thing about these markings is it names
Speaker 6: Kufu and Kunum kuf that's his full name as a
Speaker 6: builder of the pyramid, or find those names in the pyramid.
Speaker 6: So Egyptologists put tune two together. That means he built it. Well,
Speaker 6: it turns out that those marks are actually faith right. Basically,
Speaker 6: the Great Pyramid becomes anonymous again, you know, at a
Speaker 6: stroke at pools and rug from under. The Egyptologists contention
Speaker 6: that that those markings prove that Kufu built the pyramid.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that Kufu didn't. All I'm saying is that, well,
Speaker 6: you can't rely in these marks because I think, I
Speaker 6: genuinely think, I think there's a lot of good evidence
Speaker 6: now to say that those marks are not genuine.
Speaker 4: Right, right, And the only other markings that were found
Speaker 4: anywhere in the pyramid were on at the end of
Speaker 4: the shaft, there behind the door where they put the camera,
Speaker 4: and they can see a few markings inside there.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, the great irony here is Sorayah. The
Speaker 6: great irony of those markings is that there's a agent
Speaker 6: Todd just who specializes in Egyptian mathematics, and he believes
Speaker 6: those numbers we'd in that small cavity which the robot
Speaker 6: drilled through at the end of the shaft. He believes
Speaker 6: those number those are numbers, and it's the number one
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty one. The thing is, if you those cavities,
Speaker 6: that small cavity is at the very same level as
Speaker 6: Campbell's chamber of the Great Pyramid. Now that's one of
Speaker 6: the chambers that Colonel Weiss broke into and a partner
Speaker 6: found all these markings Now the thing is in Campbell's chamber,
Speaker 6: and it's at the same level, very same level of
Speaker 6: the pyramid, which means because the pyramid was built in layers, yeah,
Speaker 6: block and block and block and block was built in theirs,
Speaker 6: they're at the same layer. So you've got numbers in
Speaker 6: this small cavity at the same layer as numbers in
Speaker 6: Campbell's chamber. You've got the number in this small cavity
Speaker 6: it says twenty one, and you've got number twenty one
Speaker 6: written in Campbell's chamber, and they're both in a completely
Speaker 6: different language.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah, I didn't realize there was anything written in
Speaker 4: Campbell's chamber.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that's where they found the cufu cartoush in
Speaker 6: Campbell's chamber, at the very top. But there's also other
Speaker 6: markings the very top. Yeah, that's the very top of
Speaker 6: the above. The King's chamber is Campbell's chamber. So they
Speaker 6: found on the wall there they found the number twenty one.
Speaker 6: There's other numbers as well, but number twenty one is there,
Speaker 6: but it's written in a completely different language from not language,
Speaker 6: but completely different character set from what this guy believes
Speaker 6: is the number twenty one in this chamber. That was
Speaker 6: built at the same level. Now, if you're building something
Speaker 6: like the Great Pyramid, you know you're not going to
Speaker 6: use different numbers, a different number system. You're going to use,
Speaker 6: you know, a language you know that everybody can understand.
Speaker 6: They're all agreeing. Yep. That's that. You're not going to
Speaker 6: have different character sets different you know, because somebody might
Speaker 6: not know what that is and then they get it
Speaker 6: all wrong. You know, you're going to have a standard
Speaker 6: method of numbering things, and something is complex as a
Speaker 6: Great Pyramid. So why are they using a completely different
Speaker 6: character set to right twenty one there and which obviously
Speaker 6: is obviously genuine in this small chamber because the only
Speaker 6: thing it's ever been in there is a camera, an
Speaker 6: optical camera. Yeah, so they're genuine. The thing is, are
Speaker 6: these characters that say twenty one in Campbell's chamber, which
Speaker 6: have advice opened genuine because that's where this cartouse has
Speaker 6: been found as well.
Speaker 4: But what are the chances they'd write twenty one in
Speaker 4: that chamber and then we'd find twenty one in another
Speaker 4: chamber as well?
Speaker 6: Well, in the other chamber, the small chamber where they
Speaker 6: put the optical camera through. It's that's one hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty one. Oh okay, it's one hundred and twenty one,
Speaker 6: So I was just keeping it simple for you. So
Speaker 6: they've written twenty one in one chamber, and there's other
Speaker 6: numbers in there as well. In Campbell's chamber there are
Speaker 6: other numbers as well. There's ten, there's you know, there's
Speaker 6: other numbers, but there wrote twenty one, and in the
Speaker 6: small chamber there wrote one hundred and twenty one, you know,
Speaker 6: but in a completely different character.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, and these, you have to understand, are at the
Speaker 6: same level. So they were built by you know, the
Speaker 6: same builders, the same okay or whatever, you know, but
Speaker 6: they're using a completely different, you know, style of language
Speaker 6: to write write these numbers. So that to me tells
Speaker 6: me that, you know, these numbers in this small chamber
Speaker 6: are obviously genuine from a much earlier age, much much
Speaker 6: earlier age. The characters that we found in Campbell's chamber
Speaker 6: are definitely Fourth Dynasty. So how did he get those
Speaker 6: Fourth Dynasty characters in Campbell's chamber? But you've got characters
Speaker 6: from what's earlier time.
Speaker 4: And which we should also mention for anyone who doesn't
Speaker 4: know those relieving chambers as they're called above the King's
Speaker 4: peer above the King's Chamber were not open. They were
Speaker 4: actually blasted with explosives. They get into them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, vice use gunpowder to blast them openings into them.
Speaker 6: And it was desperate to make an important discovery. He
Speaker 6: says this throughout, you know, his his volumes, his published volumes.
Speaker 6: He was desperate to make an important discovery. He was
Speaker 6: desperate to find the sarcophagus of Cufu. But he never did.
Speaker 6: And you know, he you know, he spent something that
Speaker 6: I think it's something to reagion of ten thousand pounds,
Speaker 6: which in eighteen thirty seven, I think I think it
Speaker 6: comes out to about a million pounds or half a
Speaker 6: million pounds nowadays, an awful lot of his own family fortune.
Speaker 6: I did nothing really to show for it at the
Speaker 6: end of the day. But well, ultimately he may not
Speaker 6: have found Cufu, but he certainly found Cufu's name allegedly.
Speaker 4: Right right, we're almost out of time. But the one
Speaker 4: thing I wanted to ask you about also is the
Speaker 4: chefs and where they point to, because you have a
Speaker 4: different take on it than some of the other Yeah, research.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't actually think the shafts
Speaker 6: point to anything that the Egyptologists tell us that the
Speaker 6: shafts are to allow the point to a star, so
Speaker 6: that the king's soul can go up the shaft and
Speaker 6: you know, go go off to wear whatever star. What
Speaker 6: I think the shafts are all about is the actually
Speaker 6: so you know these structures, I'm saying, something happened. This
Speaker 6: is a legend that's come down to us. Something happened
Speaker 6: in the heavens, and this is why they built the
Speaker 6: pyramids the shafts, so is what happened in the heavens.
Speaker 6: The lower shafts are both at thirty three The angle
Speaker 6: of inclination is thirty three degrees. Those are the two
Speaker 6: shafts that come out the lower chamber of the Queen's chamber,
Speaker 6: both north and south are both thirty three degrees. The
Speaker 6: southern chamber of the kings is at forty five degrees,
Speaker 6: So that's a difference from the lower chamber. Sorry, they're
Speaker 6: not thirty three degrees. Are both at thirty ninety these
Speaker 6: my apologies thirty nine degrees, and the upper shaft from
Speaker 6: the King's chamber south is at forty five degrees. That's
Speaker 6: a difference of six degrees. If we go over to
Speaker 6: the northern side, the lower chambers at thirty to nine degrees,
Speaker 6: but the upper chambers drop to thirty three degrees. That
Speaker 6: again's a difference of six degrees. What these are actually
Speaker 6: showing you is the sky moving. They're actually pointing to
Speaker 6: the former position that the lower chambers pointed to the form. Remember,
Speaker 6: the great pyramid symbolizes or represents the star in the
Speaker 6: ryons belt Alnittack. The lower chamber points to the former
Speaker 6: precis of Alnitttack before the skies were disturbed, and the
Speaker 6: upper shaft shows its new position after the pole shift.
Speaker 4: And that might be why the lower chambers are sealed off,
Speaker 4: because they're the previous location.
Speaker 6: Yes, don't look here anymore. You know, you can't see it.
Speaker 6: You know, it's basically data. If you're like the angles,
Speaker 6: it's not so much that you know they're pointing at
Speaker 6: a star per se. It's the angles of the shafts
Speaker 6: that are actually the important piece of information, not what
Speaker 6: they're pointing out. If we know it symbolizes al Nittack,
Speaker 6: because the Great Pyramid, you know, symbolizes aln Attack, so
Speaker 6: we know it's referencing aln attack. So it's saying Alnittack
Speaker 6: was at this angle and then suddenly it was at
Speaker 6: that angle or inclination. You know, that can't happen overnight,
Speaker 6: you know, simply can't happen overnight. No, for that to
Speaker 6: happen using procession, I think it takes something like sixteen
Speaker 6: hundred years for that kind of shift to happen. And
Speaker 6: we know we're told the Great Pyramid was built in
Speaker 6: twenty years, you know, so something happened to rapidly move
Speaker 6: al Nittack, the star an attack from thirty nine degrees
Speaker 6: up to forty five degrees and the Northern Star. The
Speaker 6: northern shafts are basically just mirroring what is what's going
Speaker 6: on in the south. It's not acsalappointing at stars, per see,
Speaker 6: it's just giving us the angles to show us how
Speaker 6: this how the skies moved. Because again is what I've
Speaker 6: kept saying tonight, that is what the legend tells. Is
Speaker 6: the legend tells us the heavens the stars moved out
Speaker 6: of their normal place, and that is what the shafts
Speaker 6: are showing us right right.
Speaker 4: And you also talk about some of the evidence that's
Speaker 4: like the King's chamber had been repaired.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some there was some catastrophe or disaster inside
Speaker 6: the King's chamber. You know, there's damage in there. The walls,
Speaker 6: the granite walls of the King's chamber have been slightly
Speaker 6: pushed outwards by some powerful force. There's apparently there's sports marks,
Speaker 6: you know, on the sarcophagus in there. You know, the
Speaker 6: ceiling is cracked. I think it's in the southeast corner.
Speaker 6: There's ancient This wasn't done by Howard Vice by his
Speaker 6: gunpowder blasting the chambers above the King's chamber. This is
Speaker 6: ancient plaster that's been put into these cracks to repair it.
Speaker 6: You know. So something happened in the King's chamber. There
Speaker 6: was an almighty explosion of some kind in the King's chamber.
Speaker 6: And explain that also in the book. And it ties
Speaker 6: in with the black dust that was found by Howard
Speaker 6: Vice and all these these five chambers above the King's chamber.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So that's that again, is I'll explained in the book.
Speaker 4: You also mentioned that there was one pyramid where they
Speaker 4: tried to put casing stones on later but they built
Speaker 4: it on sand rather than solid ground.
Speaker 6: Well, again this is this is you know Egypt, Todd is,
Speaker 6: We'll say it, Scott, your talking rubbish. We've got carbon
Speaker 6: dating dates that date the Great Pyramid to you know,
Speaker 6: I think it's two thousand, seven hundred. They've got some
Speaker 6: dates carben dates that are three one hundred. But you
Speaker 6: know they explain all this away with the old wood
Speaker 6: issue and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: So we've got these carbon dates of you know, carbon
Speaker 6: dating dates see fourteen radio carbon dates of you know,
Speaker 6: the period that we think, you know, Kufu lived and
Speaker 6: built a structure. But what I'm saying is, well, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe you've got these carbon dating dates. You know, they
Speaker 6: took carbon out the mortar between the blocks of the
Speaker 6: Great Pyramid. But what I'm saying is that, well, I
Speaker 6: actually think the original structure structure there may have been
Speaker 6: a step pyramid, like you know the step pyramid at
Speaker 6: Sakara and the step pyramid. It may do. The original
Speaker 6: structures were step pyramids, and it's a fourth dynasty that
Speaker 6: basically were repairing them and converting them into smooth did
Speaker 6: pyramids with you know, the white casing stone all the
Speaker 6: rest of it. Because if you look at the pyramid
Speaker 6: that may do. It's a step pyramid. It's core. The
Speaker 6: core of the pyramid that may do is like the
Speaker 6: very first pyramid of Zosa or the step pyramids of Sikara,
Speaker 6: the step pyramid that may do. The you know, the
Speaker 6: guy that Egyptologists say built at Nepho, who was Kufu's father,
Speaker 6: basically built he converted that step period. He originally built
Speaker 6: a step pyramid allegedly and then decided to convert it
Speaker 6: into a true pyramid. But I think therein lies the
Speaker 6: truth of the whole situation. What the ancient Egyptians of
Speaker 6: the fourth Dynas they were doing. They were converting older
Speaker 6: structures into true pyramids. Because the true pyramid, the outer
Speaker 6: casing stones that may do, simply collapsed because what neff
Speaker 6: what the original builders had done. They built that step
Speaker 6: pyramid because they were good engineers on a solid rock,
Speaker 6: solid rock foundation. S Nephrew came along and added on
Speaker 6: to to convert that step pyramid into a true pyramid
Speaker 6: by building on sand, you know, so here, Hey, that's
Speaker 6: why it collapsed. You know, that's why the are you know,
Speaker 6: true pyramid shape collapsed because he didn't know what he
Speaker 6: was doing. Basically, you know, so you have you really
Speaker 6: have two civilizations going on here, and it's all being
Speaker 6: confused and mixed up as if it's one, you know,
Speaker 6: one civilization. I think, you know, we need to extract,
Speaker 6: you know, we need to pull these things apart. You know,
Speaker 6: they've been merged and confused. We need to separate them out.
Speaker 6: You know, originally the project of Sirius nineteen thousand years ago,
Speaker 6: they built a step pyramid, you know. Thousands of years later,
Speaker 6: the people that discovered that, you know that came to
Speaker 6: Gyp much later, discovered these structures and were converting them
Speaker 6: into true pyramids, you know, for their burial or repurposing
Speaker 6: them forever. But they didn't have they didn't understand engineering.
Speaker 6: Like the people that actually built the step pyramid may
Speaker 6: who built it on a solid rock foundation, but Nephew
Speaker 6: built has has addition on sand and that's why it collapsed.
Speaker 4: Now, when when you talk about these things being arcs
Speaker 4: for seeds and stuff, how do you account for like
Speaker 4: some of the sonic effects in the pyramid, like the
Speaker 4: way sound is moved through the pyramid, and how people
Speaker 4: have like Graham Hancock even have talked about it as
Speaker 4: being a ritual or a consciousness altering device.
Speaker 6: Well, if anything of discussion here tonight, sorayah, you probably
Speaker 6: guessed that my work is very much of a practical nature.
Speaker 6: You know, these these were structures built for you know,
Speaker 6: a very you know, perfunctory, practical purpose. You know, if
Speaker 6: you build a pyramid and you use granite and use
Speaker 6: different shapes of granite, and you strike that granite with
Speaker 6: a bar of some kind, yeah, you're going to get
Speaker 6: vibrations of all different kinds. Now, was that designed? I
Speaker 6: don't know. I can't answer that question. Maybe maybe there
Speaker 6: was some ancient ritual by the original builders, because remember
Speaker 6: I'm saying that these structures were built, you know, to
Speaker 6: ensure the kingdom could be reborn. There were ch tonic rituals,
Speaker 6: there were earth rituals, you know. So maybe these original builders,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe they wanted them. They understood vibrations of
Speaker 6: some kind that I don't know, maybe had an effect
Speaker 6: on seeds in stone boxes. You know, who knows. I
Speaker 6: don't know. That's pure speculation in my part. But you know,
Speaker 6: we don't know why, you know, the fashion the granite
Speaker 6: blocks above the King's chamber in certain ways, we just
Speaker 6: really don't know why they did it, and you know
Speaker 6: that when you strike them they do create different vibrational effects.
Speaker 6: Is that just you know, because that's what they do,
Speaker 6: and that's what they are or where they designed to
Speaker 6: do that. You know, it's anyone's guests really, But what
Speaker 6: I'm saying is, you know, these were about rebirth of
Speaker 6: the kingdom, not original king and it's a toothnic. It's
Speaker 6: about the rebirth of the earth. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: there were probably some earth rituals, you know, That's why
Speaker 6: they placed a box in these pyramids filled with earth
Speaker 6: and sealed it. You know, there's some deep earth you know,
Speaker 6: mystery or ritual going on there.
Speaker 4: Okay. And also I meant to mention this earlier too,
Speaker 4: but when you mentioned the Sixteen Pyramids as being part
Speaker 4: of Osirish, she mentioned that there were seventy two co conspirators.
Speaker 4: Was set and that's of course a processional number as well,
Speaker 4: which you find just throughout everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, because I think the whole thing about you know,
Speaker 6: the whole of Ciris myth is about you know, creating
Speaker 6: the body of a Ciris the Sixteen Pyramids, but also
Speaker 6: at Giza that created a processional clock at Giza, and
Speaker 6: I explained that again to that great depth in the book,
Speaker 6: you know. So you know that again, I think is
Speaker 6: another key a clue as to you know, the the
Speaker 6: whole processional clock star clock that we have at Geza.
Speaker 6: Remember as well Asirus, the legend of Asirius came to
Speaker 6: be before Asirius. According to the legend of Asiris, the
Speaker 6: Earth only had three hundred and sixty days. After Asirius
Speaker 6: it had three hundred and Asirius was born, the Earth
Speaker 6: had three hundred and sixty five days, So the Earth
Speaker 6: gained five days. You know, we multiply five by seventy two.
Speaker 6: You know, you're getting three hundred and sixty, you know,
Speaker 6: and then again you're getting all these processional numbers again.
Speaker 6: You know, Asirius was born on the first day of
Speaker 6: the extra five days, and his brothers and sisters were
Speaker 6: born and the other days.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So again this is all linked into the Did the
Speaker 6: Earth originally have a solar you know, an annual cycle
Speaker 6: of three hundred and sixty days? Then something happened to
Speaker 6: the Earth to disturb its axis to you know, to
Speaker 6: slow its rotation that's orbit the sun. Did something happen,
Speaker 6: you know, so to me it's all tied in together.
Speaker 6: The whole a Siris Smith is about catastrophe, a catastrophe occurring,
Speaker 6: but preparing, you know, to to preparing the kingdom to
Speaker 6: survive this catastrophe. And this is what the whole Sirish
Speaker 6: Smith about. Being cut into sixteen parts and scattered across
Speaker 6: and being reborn again, you know, via the pyramid, via
Speaker 6: the agency of a cyrus. That's what the whole myth
Speaker 6: is about. But it's about you're right, it's about procession
Speaker 6: as well, because it did create a star clock, and
Speaker 6: it's almost like a plan within a plan, if you like.
Speaker 6: They created a star clock using procession to date when
Speaker 6: this event took place, a bit like our own civilization,
Speaker 6: Soriah has I don't know if you're aware of this.
Speaker 6: The Hoover Dam. Yeah, when they built that, they basically
Speaker 6: looked at the star are straight above the Hoover Dam
Speaker 6: and then mark the mark those stars on the floor
Speaker 6: of the entrancery at the forecourt of the entrance way
Speaker 6: at the Hoover Dam, you know, so that that configuration
Speaker 6: of stars straight above you know, the Hoover Dam at
Speaker 6: the time it was built basically locks in time. When
Speaker 6: that dam was built. Well, then gypsums are the builders
Speaker 6: of this, this system, this processional star clock at geezer
Speaker 6: effectively done the same thing, are similar thing?
Speaker 4: All right? Well, I highly recommend the book The Secret
Speaker 4: Chamber of Osiris, Lost Knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids. It's
Speaker 4: only scratched the surface in this this conversation about the
Speaker 4: amount of data you have in here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot in that, but a lot of
Speaker 6: a lot of different ideas, a lot of sort of
Speaker 6: new insights.
Speaker 4: And what's your website?
Speaker 6: Your listeners could go to www dot scott Criton dot
Speaker 6: co dot uk.
Speaker 4: All right, and I thank you so much for spending
Speaker 4: time with us and for this work. It's fantastic. And
Speaker 4: you said the next book will be out in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably towards the end of twenty sixteen. That's a
Speaker 6: great pyramid hoax. So that'll be some time next year.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, looking forward to it, and thank you
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 6: Sayah, it has been a pleasure. Thank you for inviting
Speaker 6: me onto your show. I've really enjoyed myself. Thank you coming.
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