Speaker 1: Can you.
Speaker 2: Here in the acc Boston College just one to nine,
but they lead eight to one and sixteenth Rande Georgia
Tech twenty eight to seventeen late in the third quarter
at Chestnut Hill at the LA Coliseum, A big half
for the Hawkeyes.
Speaker 1: Quarterback it Bringwigen in motion.
Speaker 3: Two men of the backfield hand it off to Wigion.
Speaker 4: He flips behind.
Speaker 3: Him to throw it to the end zone for Krodowski touchdown.
Speaker 4: Iowa.
Speaker 3: Reese Vandersey, the wide receiver, threw it to the quarterback
Mark Kronowski have the Hawkeyes take a twenty to seven
lead over USC three twenty four second quarter here in
La My.
Speaker 2: Cousins with a call on ESPN Radio, Hawkeys quarterback Mark
Kornowski touchdown pass run and then you just heard the
catch there for the trifecta number twenty one. Iowa leading
at seventeenth rake USC twenty one to nineteen end.
Speaker 1: Of the third quarter.
Speaker 2: What a game it was? At College Station number three,
Texas A and M trailed by twenty seven at the half,
but then they scored twenty eight unanswered to get past
South Carolina thirty one to thirty, the largest comeback for
them in school history.
Speaker 1: They're now ten to zero, seven to zero.
Speaker 5: In the they have some offensive firepower. They can sling
the pill, they can sling the rock. They're going to
test this BYU defense, this BYU secondary. Similar similarly, I
think to how Texas Tech challenge BYU's defense last week
Baron Morton was able to throw the ball quite effectively
versus this BYU defense yet last week, and they were
a lot of chunk yarders plays. Yes, the defense I
thought played extremely well, and they limited scoring opportunities on
short fields. But still they the text Tech Red Raiders
had opportunities through the air and they took advantage of
those opportunities. Hopefully the BU secondaries up for this challenge.
They have some really good wide receivers that that you
know this this team likes to to get the ball
out to vertically and horizontally. Can't wait to break it
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gonna level set here. It's an eight to fifteen pm kickoff.
You're at Levelle Edwards STATEUM, it'll be a sold out crowd.
You need the twelfth man to show up. You need
two and or three false starts tonight, do to the crowd.
Noise BYU is only a three and a half point favorite.
It's not a heavy favorite. The over unders at fifty
one and a half. It seems like that's a number
that has been common in some of these BYU games.
Speaker 4: The Vegas odds, you.
Speaker 5: Know, they they kind of they respect BYU to a degree,
but also there's a certain amount of disrespect to BYU
team that's top twelve in the country eight and one,
and they're not heavily favored at home. This is a
field goal game per Vegas, and BYU is a favorite
a little bit, I think more optimistically by ESPN Analytics
seventy three point eight seventy three point eight percent chance
of victory for the matchup predictor ESPN Analytics versus TCU.
Speaker 4: So I can't wait to see what happens tonight.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a beautiful evening, by the way of
fall football, fifty six degrees. It's November fifteenth, need I
remind you, And it is gorgeous in Utah County right now,
a little overcast, it's just the most dwarous weather right now.
It's like sixty four degrees right now. The Stretch Why
and blazing, That beautiful Stretch Why is right there on
the south side of Lavelle Edwards stadium, and then you
have the black white up at the on Mount. Why
here on the Wassat front, the fall leaves have changed
and they're falling down onto the ground. I'm sure everyone
got after it with their rakes earlier today or even
last weekend, but I'm extremely intrigued to see if bear
Bachmeyer can bounce back in this game.
Speaker 4: I'm extremely intrigued.
Speaker 5: To see if this offense will find a groove and
score over thirty points in this game.
Speaker 4: I would love to see that.
Speaker 5: I would love to see a BYU team that can
beat a formidable foe in the Big Twelve, a team
that's six and three right now that can compete with
anybody right seas you can compete with anybody in this
league as well because of their offensive power in Sonny
Dyke's leading them. But I would love to see nothing
more a fourteen to seventeen point victory just to quiet
some of the haters out there and even convince the
committee that there is enough offense firepower on this BYU
football team to compete in the College football playoffs.
Speaker 4: If you keep inching.
Speaker 5: By these Big twelve teams, I'm telling you the subjective
eye test and combined with the analytics, They're not gonna
favor BYU. Even if BYU gets to the Big twelve
Championship game and then loses in a better former fashion
than they did the first time to Texas Tech. You
may still be on the out looking in even though
you only even though you lost the Text Tech, who
should be a one lost team to ASU on the
road by four points earlier this season, they're a top
five team. I think everyone's bought in to the Red Raiders.
I think they will be a top five team for
the Committee when the dust settles after the Big twelve
Championship game, unless BYU knocks them off.
Speaker 4: Unless they lose in that Big twelve Championship game. It's
gonna be tough to do.
Speaker 5: Though, to knock off Goliath in their home state. So anyway,
we're gonna break it all down here on your Utah.
ESPN Radio Network can't wait to delve into it. Let
me welcome into the show. First and foremost, Ronald the
three man Weaver executive producer, co host, host. He does
all man of things for us. What's up, Roddie? How
you living?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Living good?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I brought down a jacket and I'm like, actually,
I'm a little hot, and I took it off. You know,
I'm from the land of the Midwest, where it gets
freezing cold, so I'm gonna short sleeve shirt for a
nice sixty four cloudy day. But no precipitation. Seems like
it's in sight, no moisture at all, so ball security
shouldn't be an issue. You just gotta tell you, no, Lily,
it's it's beautiful, like this is a great fall day.
You see the leaves coming off the trees, especially a
couple of the weeks of a couple of weeks till Thanksgiving.
Thankful for this weather. Thank you Utah for presenting, for presenting,
and Mother Nature. A great November day. Been great weather
right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, very excited about a shout out to Vic Cram
also on the data aggregation.
Speaker 4: He's lined up and ready to go and list.
Speaker 5: Welcome in behind the glass up in Salt Lake City, AP,
Andrew Peterson, Andrew the heck are you, buddy?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 4: I'm doing really great?
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was a nice drive.
Speaker 5: Up here from Provo, almost no traffic.
Speaker 4: Weather's great. I'm ready for some football.
Speaker 5: We'll get AP's hot takes later on in the show,
he's got some fiery ones. Can't wait to see what
he has to say, and Kugarnation, we got a start
started cast. We're gonna welcome in some former BA greats,
Renal Mai, Johnny Harlen. Who knows who's gonna show up
to our tailgate, though we always have former greats, family
members of football players show up and they want to
give their takes as well. BYU, by the way, historically,
let me level set once again here. BYU is five
and seven overall against TCU, with a four and five
mark in conference games like they played against each other
in the Whack and the Mountain West Conference and now
in the Big Twelve. The Hornbrugs won the most recent
matchup with a forty four to eleven victory.
Speaker 4: Out in Fort Worth in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: The horn Frogs last visited Probe in two thousand and nine,
where they was weeping Whaling in all manner of national
teeth when the two schools were both members of the
Mountain West Conference. TCU went home with a victory thirty
eight to seven. That TCU team, by the way, went
on to finish the regular season twelve to zero before
losing in the Fiesta Bowl and finished the year number
six overall in the AP Top twenty five BYUO. TCU
now in the Big twelve together have been conference fos
before another leagus and there's a bit of a rivalry, right.
It's actually a competitive one at that if you look
at the history. But most recently it's been dominant, heavily
dominant on the TCU horn Frogs side.
Speaker 4: They've won a lot of games against this gugar football team.
Speaker 5: The last time BYU beat TCU, just to tell you
how long ago it was.
Speaker 4: Ben Krittle was playing for BYU.
Speaker 1: That's a long time.
Speaker 4: That's a long time. I'm old now.
Speaker 5: I just turned forty three years old. So that was
the last time TCU.
Speaker 1: I think taught by the missionaries in two thousand and seven,
Brot I.
Speaker 4: Was not even in kindergarten yet.
Speaker 1: Guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's the last time.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, guys, like, wait, this is how
I felt leading up to like twenty twenty one BYU
Utah game. I'm like, look, the last time like we
beat by we beat Utah. Man I was I was
essentially a part of this program. It's been too long.
They are currently on a five game winning streak twenty
twenty three, obviously the most recent. I mentioned that twenty eleven,
though they beat is thirty eight to twenty eight, thirty
one to three in twenty ten, thirty eight to seven
in two thousand and nine, and then two thousand and
eight thirty two to seven. Like, the margin of these
losses is absurd. BYU hasn't even been competitive versus TCU,
So to me, this is a game kind of a
barometer game of like, Okay, where are we in college
football versus a team that has been for the last
decade plus. If you look at year over year, Okay,
whether it's Gary Patterson or now Sunny Dykes, they've been
averaging almost double digit wins year over year, Okay.
Speaker 4: And I know they had some down years, no doubt.
Speaker 5: They've had some down years in the back end on
the latter end of the Gary Patterson era, and that's
why they ended up firing him, letting them go the
legendary coach for the horn Frogs that was with them
since I want to say two thousand and one. Gary
Patterson was the head coach of TCU for for twenty
years and went to Bowl games almost every single year,
and even prior to Gary Patterson like taking the job.
Gary was on the coaching staff when Dennis Fencioni was
the head coach and they went ten to two in
two thousand.
Speaker 4: So let me rattle off for you the history and
the modern era since two thousand.
Speaker 5: Okay, ten and two, six and six, ten and two,
eleven and two, five and six, eleven and one, eleven
and two, eight and five, eleven and two, twelve and one,
thirteen to zero, eleven and two, seven and.
Speaker 4: Six, four and eight.
Speaker 5: So a couple of down years with Gary in twenty
twelve twenty thirteen when they jumped to the Big twelve,
but then they rided the ship again twelve and one,
eleven and two, six and seven.
Speaker 4: They're always going to bowl games.
Speaker 5: As you can see, it seems eleven and three, seven
and six, five and seven, six and four and that was,
and then five and seven. They gave him Gary Anderson
essentially four years of average some people would say, mediocre
outputs at TCU before they moved on to Sunny Dyke.
Sonny Dykes immediately takes over in twenty twenty two and
they go thirteen and two Okay, they go to the
Fiesta bal they win the COLLG Football Playoff National Championship,
they get destroyed. They go thirteen to two on the season.
I think that was Max Dugan that was the quarterback
at the time. And Joe glad has actually compared bear
Bachmeyer to Max Max Dugan of TCU of twenty twenty two,
just wieling his way to victories for his team. Twenty
twenty three, TCU five and seven. Twenty twenty four they
went nine to four, and right now TCU is on
the verge of once again being a either a nine
or ten win team. Okay, so this is a good
football team and it's a phenomenal football program over the
last twenty five years. They there's a reason why BYU
has a five game losing streak going up against the
horn Frogs. When they give you that data, why do
to give you those those the history of who TCU
is in the modern era?
Speaker 4: What's your reaction, Ronald the three man Weaver.
Speaker 1: It's a good football team, and I mean when you
get to a national championship been it doesn't matter how
long or would it takes. I mean, that's a good
football program. Go recruits good culture. Right, that's what is
established on That's what BYU Klonie's mentioned what they want
to be. They want to get to a national championship.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The last time b has won a NATCH championship been
one was nineteen eighty four. That's been a very long
time and that presents challenges for this BAU team. You
haven't done well against the horn Frog, you know team.
Last time you faced them, Ben, it was Lily. They
took him behind the shed. They did they did. It
was a beltibooty and that was baby Hoover. Now you
got super Sayan Hoover to go to Dragon ball Z.
I guess to maybe give Sean Walker a little bit
of love there, who likes to anime stuff. But look
this TCU Hornfrog team Ben has had nothing but a
history of winning and they bring that into tonight. Don't
let the loss against Iowa State confuse you. I know
they lost in their home field, it didn't go their way.
But this team is looking for blood, Ben, and this tonight,
this game tonight, they have an opportunity to win this ballgame.
They can press the ball by throwing it down the field.
They got NFL talent all over when you look at
the offensive side of the ball. So I respect this
TCU Hornfrog team.
Speaker 5: That loss to Iowa stated disappointing one. It was at
home Amergy Carter Stadium this past week twenty to seventeen.
They've been playing good ball at home and it's unfortunate
that they fell. Otherwise there'd be a whole lot more,
a whole lot more high petting into this game. And
TCU mayor it Booz and Coogs, what's up fellas looking sexy,
looking beautiful? Love my Boos and Koogs the tailgaters, they're
the ultimate tailgaters, if I do say so myself.
Speaker 4: They're coming to hang out with us. Love and appreciate them.
Speaker 5: But look, TCU lost to Kansas State forty one to
twenty eight. It wasn't as close as they wanted to be,
but still it was. They were in kind of firing
distance there. Arizona State. They lost to Arizona State, who
just got a dub. I believe Arizona State just came
out in Victorias and Arizona State beat them twenty seven
to twenty four at home. And remember, issue is the
only team that knock knocked off Texas Tech. So you
see a lot of college football cannibalism everywhere across every conference,
and it's definitely happening here in the Big twelve. So look,
I think ESPN sp plus when I was doing a
little bit of a scouting report, I'd.
Speaker 4: Like to lean into the SP plus metric.
Speaker 5: I find it to be a very accurate kind of
depiction of who these teams are.
Speaker 4: TCU's thirty ninth in the country.
Speaker 5: Okay, their offense is thirty fifth, their defense is forty seventh,
and their special teams is one hundred and twentieth. So
their biggest weakness is actually the special teams unit. You
hope BYU bounces back. On the special team side of things.
BYU is twenty second in the country in overall sp
plus ranking. BYU's offense is thirty ninth, BoA's defense is nineteenth,
and then special teams is actually twenty second. They actually
fell almost twenty spots crazy from last from last week
because they were six in the nation heading into that
that showdown in Lubbing, So it's not too far off.
That's the reason why BYU is only a three and
a half point favorite per Vegas at home, being an
eight to one team and a top twelve team at
that BYU fans, I think, no matter what, are always
gonna have a little bit of anxiety, They're gonna have
a little bit of chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 4: They always feel doubted.
Speaker 5: What's the mentality of this b YU football team heading
into the TCU game is my question.
Speaker 4: To talk about it.
Speaker 5: Let's welcome met a former b y U great past
breakup king. We got be Low Brian Logan to pontificate
on this below.
Speaker 4: How you living? I'm tired, man, I'm tired. What's that?
What's that? Like? A is that a a mile block?
Half and half of block?
Speaker 5: I'm happy to set the power walk all the way
from Cougar Can yet over to the switch took.
Speaker 6: I took four power walk station and that's I stopped.
I was like, I can't do it as you wore.
I'm good though, man, I'm cold.
Speaker 5: I'm freezing. You played in this game before the b
YU TCU game. What do you recall about the tc
games that you played in?
Speaker 6: Getting beat by double Moves on ESPN fine, Like, like
what I remember was seeing seeing seeing the talent.
Speaker 4: Gap like from I felt it? Oh yeah, sad, Yeah,
I mean I played against it. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 6: That, Like the only other team or game was Florida
State in two thousand and nine. Yeah, that to compare like, oh,
we're not on We're not even close, like level wise athletically,
like we're not even close.
Speaker 5: Across the board offense, defense, SPTS teams. On's a whole
nother level of There was a talent gap. There's a
talent gap.
Speaker 6: Was a talent gap, and I mean it was so
big to where when you guys played and you guys
were beating them, I was like, how'd you guys beat them,
you know, the previous teams because us we were getting
wooped by him.
Speaker 5: Well you got to remember, I mean if you look
at his historically, right, So Gary Patterson took over in
two thousand and one, and and look they won a
lot of football games, uh ten and two eleven and
two five and six eleven and won we lost two TCU.
Speaker 4: We had a very talented.
Speaker 5: Team in five oh six o seven, Like we had
a lot of NFL guys and then we had you know,
great role players as well that were well coached and
you know, gritty the broadco style player too. But we
had a lot of NFL talent, and I can go
through all the NFL talent. We lost to TCU and
five fifty to fifty one at Lavell and it was
a loss that actually should have went our way because
there was a fumble at the goal line, but we
didn't have a pylon camp.
Speaker 4: Later on, the.
Speaker 5: Mountain West Conference issued up an apology that they got
it wrong. Uh and because they called it a touchdown
or they called it a conversion at the goal line
to get the win back.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: And then so six, So we went out to the
DFW and we beat a ranked I think they were
seventeenth at the time. Uh and they ended up being
eleven and two that season they were ranked and that
was one of their only losses.
Speaker 1: And then in No.
Speaker 5: Seven they ended up being an eight to five team,
and that was a young Andy Dalton team. It was
a talented team, but they they had Andy who was
still young, and we beat him on our on our
home field, on our defense won the day.
Speaker 4: Our defense, defense, Our defense.
Speaker 5: Won the won that game for us, I think because
the offense didn't put up a ton of points. So anyway,
like but they were still kind of developing. I would
say their NFL pipeline, but they had talent, there's no doubt.
But we also had kind of equivalency of NFL talent,
and you know it was it was timing. A lot
of it is timing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Gary, Gary Passion did a lot of
Like the thing I loved about him the most is
that he would take players in high school, like a
linebacker that he would recruit out of high school, put
weight on him and move him up a position group
so that linebacker then played defensive line but.
Speaker 4: Kept his speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did that all way across the board.
Speaker 6: He could take safeties, make them gain weight, move in
to linebackers, and.
Speaker 4: They kept they They did that a lot of their speed.
Speaker 6: So I think that I think that was when I
was like, okay, like, how are these guys so athletic
but they don't they're not getting these looks as a
Texas school. And then I learned that and I was like, Okay,
that that's a that's a great way to compete, you know,
if you're a lower tier Texas school competing against Baylor
and you know Texas at the time.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, So well TCU currently has I think over
twenty players in the NFL, so they continue to put
out talent to to acquire it, you know, recruit it,
acquire it, develop it, and put it into the National
Football League.
Speaker 4: B WHYU sitting in the teams right now?
Speaker 1: Not bad?
Speaker 5: I think about fourteen or fifteen over so not nearly
as many NFL guys in the league. But BYU is
getting to that point where the talent gap is not there.
Speaker 4: And are you seeing that BYU?
Speaker 5: Do you feel like BYU has equivalency of talent had
to head TCU.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm saying probably probably even some maybe even some
positions they You know, b y, you may have the edge,
right I dude, this year, Like I mean I saw
it last year too, but this year walking into like
the Utah game and walking into this game for example,
where in the past when when I played, it was like, man,
here's a great scheme, great matchup. At the end of
the day, we got to win our one win matches
and those guys are just way more talented than us,
They're going to win those.
Speaker 4: I don't have that feeling ever, especially this season.
Speaker 6: We can walk in anywhere and talent is not my
concern at all.
Speaker 4: It's it's really more of exs and ose.
Speaker 5: Really, so this year, maybe even last year, you feel
like talent, there's a talent equivalency. Now the coach has
got to go out and win games for b YU.
So did by you lose the game versus Texas Tech then?
Or do you feel like we were a little bit
off in talent level versus Tech?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Hell no, hell no, that's coaches, that's that's wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I think that's a hot take.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is because a lot of people
say that that Texas Tech is more talented than Boa,
like their defense is more talented than BYU's offense.
Speaker 6: They may have more talent, that doesn't mean they're more talented, right,
Like across the board, they may have twenty two NFL
prospects in BUYU may have I don't know, twelve fourteen right, yeah,
but as far as being like one again, how do
you judge talent?
Speaker 4: Right? Put?
Speaker 6: Offensively, it's how where can I find my matchups? Right from?
Speaker 4: From a seems an extra no standpoint.
Speaker 6: If I'm a coach, I want my most talented guy
in a position against the defense is less least talented guy, right,
That's what that's what we talk about.
Speaker 4: Talent, that's what it is.
Speaker 6: And b Yu, they're not losing one on one matches
like they did in the past.
Speaker 4: They're just not They're not They're not right.
Speaker 5: Last week they did there was a lot over the top.
You know, our secondary did get beat on a few occasions.
Not coming back to the ball, balls floating, getting getting
the top taken off a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of those are tech Those what they gotta be. Those
are technique issues. That's not that's not talent issue. That's
a technique. Those are technique issues for sure. You know
that that pick.
Speaker 6: Oh I forgot Gosh, Johnson, every time I talked to you, dude,
for some reason, you make my ct like just started
aspiring out.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Evan Johnson, right, he did. He did this a couple
of weeks ago. I think I think it was it
was against Utah when he jumped up and then you know,
Tanner Wall had his back into getting that pick. He
jumps up in the he doesn't high point the ball
and then he drifts backwards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's he's not timing it a right. No, No, no,
not at all.
Speaker 6: No, No, he he he What's what's weird is that
like he he has interceptions, he has good hands, but
I don't think he has good ball skills or the
best ball skills. And that's another example, right there was Hey,
put your foot in the ground and go straight up,
act like it's a rebound. When you play basketball, bast
you don't see basketball players waiting for the rebound to
come that go and high point the ball. It's the
same thing. That's a technique issue. I had that same
issue junior college.
Speaker 4: You know, I did.
Speaker 1: My trainer did.
Speaker 4: He took me out to centerfield.
Speaker 6: Gave me a min I saw, I saw you gave
me a mint with centerfield.
Speaker 4: It's not hitting fly balls.
Speaker 6: Fly balls, so I can so I can track, so
I can track, so I can so I can judge
like it's a it's a dude. I struggled, man, I
struggled with it a lot, especially especially if you're a
I mean a lot of athletes. You grow up on
the offensive side of the ball. Right, it's a different trajectory, Yes,
it's everything is different when when you are coming down
to attack the ball versus going away trying to catch
a ball.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, it's completely different. So that helped me out.
That's it. And then with with gosh, what's the other
tray tray?
Speaker 6: See happening again with tray on that touchdown he used
he used his off hand, right, use his off hand.
You know when you know, when you go across your
body versus not going across.
Speaker 5: Your body, you called for a defense, will hold there
a p I there too, because it was it was soft,
it was weak.
Speaker 4: It's pretty weak.
Speaker 6: But either way, yeah, to your point, if he wouldn't
made the play, it still would have been a p I.
Speaker 5: But but then not only but I'll take a p
I in red zone all day, all day, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not you. You only get in every
time half.
Speaker 4: Way halfway, half the half away pal. And so also
with using the wrong arm, he also swiped at the ball.
Speaker 5: Always go to the arm, go to the hand, Chris,
or come throw or throw it up into the middle
of it.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, yes see we're not even there.
Speaker 1: You took it. You took it five I.
Speaker 6: I was just staying on the surface, which is, don't
swipe at the ball. Stab right, you put your hand up,
you stab it because when you swipe the ball can
go through you can miss.
Speaker 4: That's what that's technique stuff. Man, love my booze and Koog's.
Speaker 5: Hey, we're gonna take a brief time out and let
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Speaker 4: We'll be back.
Speaker 5: Ronald is by my side. Ronald the three Man Weaver,
Brian Logan as well. I want to talk about the
the players that were on the BYU roster back in
twenty twenty three when this Hornfrog team demolished us out
in Texas, and whether or not they remember, if they
remember or not, and if.
Speaker 4: There's a remember my brother, Yes, indeed.
Speaker 5: You gotta remember so uh you know because that that
you remember those bitter games, the dominant losses, Well, you
took a big old fat l and you weren't even competitive.
You're like, I don't want that anymore, don't need that anymore.
We'll discuss it next with Brian Logan. You're listening to
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Speaker 4: Appreciate them, love them. They're very optimistic.
Speaker 5: They feel like that five game losing streak to the
TCU home Frogs is stopping tonight. It will not be six,
It'll stay at five, and b Yu will flip the script.
They'll now be after to night six and seven historically
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Speaker 4: Nothing better than that.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a little bit of time to recover
before kickoff, so we're gonna have a I mean TCU
in my opinion, I mean, they're three points away essentially
from being racked had they beat Iowa State. I think
they're ranked as a two loss team heading into this game.
That's my personal opinion. Or they're right on the outside.
It could have been a top twenty five matchup and
another top twenty five, top ten matchup in basketball and football.
Speaker 4: It's crazy to think that though.
Speaker 5: November fifteenth, twenty twenty five BYUS in year three of
the Big twelve Power Conference, and both BYU football and
BU basketball are ranked in the top twelve. Give me
a reaction to that blow. I mean, look, yeah, we
had great times. You had great times. I had great times.
It was a great era. This is maybe even a
better error than what we got to experience, which is
arguably the second winningest era BYU football and basketball history.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, man, the fact that nil is available that helps,
definitely helps.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a plus. See, we got we won
without the nil, we won with it.
Speaker 6: We did it for the love for that money. I
think your question that you asked me last segment, I
think you kind of you answered it. As far as
the talent, right, Yeah, to have two programs ranked in
the top twelve, I still want to say top ten,
top twelve. It's just a different it's a different era, man,
it's a different it's a different it's a different.
Speaker 4: Time, dude.
Speaker 6: That's just what it comes down to. And you're right,
we were on good teams my junior year. We finished
twelfth in the nation. Jimmer, right, Yeah, but I got
to see Jimmer. I got to experience all that like
I was the coolest person back home because I knew Jimmer.
I was essentially was a Jimmer, you know.
Speaker 4: And now we got the number one recruit in the nations.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. It's crazy, man. It's exciting times.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: The motto and the theme that I've been saying for
this last year is it's a it's a hell of
a time to be a cool.
Speaker 5: So let me give you a couple of the names
that are still on the BAU roster that that experienced
twenty twenty three out in the DFW.
Speaker 4: LJ.
Speaker 5: Martin was on that roster in twenty twenty three. Chase Roberts,
he was on the k SO he wasn't on the
case out in the DFW. He was on the roster.
Talon Alfrey was on the roster, I believe. Uh yeah,
I think those are the main players that were on
the roster. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else.
Speaker 1: Sarah was on the roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yesali was on the roster.
Speaker 1: Yeap was tanner Wall on the roster.
Speaker 4: Tanner Wall was on the roster.
Speaker 1: So you got a handful of guys that are on
the roster then, Yeah, Jojo was on the roster, was
on the roster. Raider De Mooney was on the roster.
Speaker 4: Parker K.
Speaker 1: Kingstone was on the roster. Yeah, it's a lot of
people that were on the roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He named a lot of young guys, but they
were young then on the roster. I don't know if
Will was on the roster, Yeah, yeah he was.
Speaker 1: It was his first year.
Speaker 4: Was he was?
Speaker 1: He man?
Speaker 4: I don't think why last year was his first year.
That was his That was his first year.
Speaker 5: Ter De Mooney was, but I think he was a
little bit dingmed up as kow Fu.
Speaker 1: She was, but he wasn't playing. He wasn't playing though.
That might have been Will's first year, we didn't know
who was playing. Yeah, I think that was Will's first
year was on the team. Yeah, so Bruce Mitchell was
on the roster because remember he was playing that yeah,
converted defense playing defense at the time. But yeah, so
you do got a handful of guys that do remember this.
Speaker 5: A lot of these guys didn't take it in the
mouth that they were on the bench like, oh man,
we suck.
Speaker 4: You know, we're like on the bench like, oh man,
we sucked.
Speaker 6: Man on the bench, and now what you're doing tonight
when we laying you're trying to get denilate.
Speaker 5: They don't want to be the guys on the football field,
like thinking about like the bench guys saying man, oh man,
we suck.
Speaker 4: Don't be that. Don't be the starters that that failed
the backups. You know a lot of those guys that
you that you mentioned though, weren't contributors. Yeah. I don't
mean that in a negative way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6: Like like you talk about developing and you talk about
you good, yeah, good, talk about developing guys and and
really maximizing their potential and athleticism. You know, I think
that's a sign. But obviously, but also they were young.
We couldn't really tell. I mean, I guess what Chase
you could tell, you know, because Chase has been bawling
since since at a young age.
Speaker 4: But you know, Parker was a guy that was.
Speaker 5: What sorry, having a little technical difficulty there, Yeah, no,
I mean Parker would there.
Speaker 4: All these guys were young, right.
Speaker 6: Parker was getting maybe two three plays a quarter or
a half back then, right, Yeah, not talking about passes
and catches.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about place place like rotating, right, He's like
in rotation.
Speaker 6: So, but the talent that we had then, because you
gotta think that that's I don't I wouldn't consider that
big twelve resources or big twelve recruits like what we
have now and what we had last year. And also
what I mean by resources is not just facilities, but
I'm talking about additional coaches, higher quality coaches, no disrespect
to the other ones that we're here previously. Think about
the strength and conditioning staff that we have, nutrition, you know,
all of those things that you don't see off the
field or on the field. These are off the field
things that helped to get BYU to a point right
now from an athletic standpoint, and being able to compete,
So that hurt. That was the first year. But this
is a completely different team. Yeah, Iowa State, they look
West Virginia, Iowa State, they all can't TCU is on
that list. That the first year, they punched us in
the mouth and they said welcome.
Speaker 4: They said welcome, welcome, welcome, guys, welcome to the big time.
Speaker 6: And you know, b YU got there, got their get
back against West Virginia. You can be exposed to put
an Asti on that because they their roster was really depleted.
Speaker 4: We actually got them at a good time.
Speaker 6: But then Iowa State, right, and then now tonight it's
it's it's the same thing. And there's probably a lot
of those handful of those guys on the roster and
on those other teams I just mentioned, and the dynamic
is different. They're they're coming in thinking, yo, remember the
last time we played these dudes there they were there
head of the week, We're about to whoop these guys.
And then b Yu's come in saying, hey, remember the
last time we played these dudes and how they whooped them.
So two different I would say mindsets and mentalities of
based off of previous games. But you look at history
and you look at what I just said and shouldn't
expect anything different.
Speaker 4: It's TCU's turn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, TCU, it's time to take the l Tonight six
won't happen.
Speaker 1: No, it will not.
Speaker 4: It's not the last time.
Speaker 5: Byub TCU Ben Kritle was on the football field. We
can't have that anymore. I don't want to be able
to say that anymore.
Speaker 4: Damn, you're old. I know. I'm old.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I'm wearing orthotics. I got like compression we're on just
to keep the inflammation.
Speaker 4: Downy, I'm about to go put mine all right, you
know what I mean. That's how I am. Real quick.
Speaker 5: Let me give you a little scoreboard report here. Virginia
eight and two, number nineteen team in the nation. They're
beating up on Duke Who's five and four, thirty four
to seventeen. Indiana that win final earlier today, Indiana number
two in the nation eleven and oh now eight to
oh and the Big Ten they beat up on Wisconsin
thirty one to seven. Right now, the closest game, the most,
the craziest game right now number eleven Oklahoma seven to two,
and overall in three and two in the SEC, they
are leading twenty three to twenty one against Alabama number
four Alabama eight one and six and zero in the SEC.
So keep an eye on that. That it's five minutes
remaining Texas Tech de Bella the ball for the big twelve.
They are demolishing UCF right now forty eight to nine.
That it makes you feel a little bit better knowing
that by you went into Lubbock and limited Texas Tech
to their lowest scoring total of the season and the
smallest margin of victory at twenty two points. Quite honestly,
like that's I hate to have silver linings and moral victories,
But to me, that's a moral victory. Looking what what
Texas Tech has done to any but everybody else winning
on average by thirty three thirty four points.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have more than that.
Speaker 5: In this game, and by you at least kept it
respectable for three quarters. No, no, no, it's a it's
a moral victory for I know, I know, I say
it's a moral victory.
Speaker 6: You know, you know why it's not because it showed
that that teems on a different level that yes, you know,
and we already thought that we were that we've arrived
right like we thought we were good and we are good.
But what we learned, what that game tit is is
that there's levels of this. Yeah, so that's why I
don't feel I get what you're saying though, Like but
it's still it's still it's still levels.
Speaker 4: But again I don't think it has anything to do
with talent. So check this out.
Speaker 5: Look, b y all eyes were on by because Game
Day was there, and that hurt b yu's public relation
brand right now in the Big twelve, because you have
a lot of close wins, double overtime at u of A.
You know, you were down, you know, two scores versus
Iowa State before you.
Speaker 4: Rumbled back to victory. A lot of these games they were.
Speaker 5: In the Utah game, it was it was actually a
more dominant victory than than it than the final score
actually indicates, because we should have kicked the name freaking
field goal that would have helped the pr If we
were to beat Utah by ten at home, that would
have felt a whole lot better and we wouldn't hear
as much of this rhetoric about.
Speaker 4: B YU was getting by by the skin of their teeth.
And they don't have an offense at all, Like you
know what I mean, Like a Virginia. Yeah, I'm serious.
Speaker 5: So I feel like everyone in the committee's you know,
out out there in the Midwest anyway.
Speaker 4: But check this out. Take this out.
Speaker 5: Georgia Tech is the number sixteenth team in the country.
They're eight and one and five and one in the ACC.
There are they're about to lose to Boston College. They
are down by one thirty three to thirty four Boston College.
Are they one to nine team oho and six and
the ACC. I hope they are also viewed in the
same light as b YU, which they probably will because
they're the ACC and they're the bottom.
Speaker 4: They're on the bottom rung of the power for structure.
Speaker 5: Anyway, every every game except for probably maybe Colorado and
maybe Arizona, the score, the end result, the score doesn't
reflect how dominant we were.
Speaker 4: You could go, you can go all the way to Stamford.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, Like, do you do you think that we
aren't in West Virginia. Nobody can't tell me that we
aren't a two possession better team, like better team than
first of those.
Speaker 4: And the perception is this man I was talking to
to Rhyn about it, like the BYU.
Speaker 6: The perception of BYU is so bad if it wasn't
for the committee putt in Utah at thirteen, that's the
only reason why we're twelve.
Speaker 4: We would have been out.
Speaker 6: If the committee put them at fourteen, we would have
been thirteen.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now it happened last year. Is
that we can do.
Speaker 1: We just gotta win.
Speaker 4: We have to win.
Speaker 6: There's no scenarios. This is this is Every week is
an elimination week.
Speaker 4: Every week. That's the mindset that this team has to happen.
Speaker 5: Yes, Indeed, a couple other games here. Notre Dame beat
up on Pitt thirty seven to fifteen. Texas A and
M was down like thirty at half and thirty three.
I think somehow got back into this game thirty to
thirty one. They came out victorious by the skin of
their teeth. Michigan their eighteenth. They beat Northwestern twenty four
to twenty two. Northwestern a five and five team. Navy
knocked off South Florida, so now South Florida is gonna
be outside of the top twenty five.
Speaker 4: And then Arizona the UVA Wildcats bear down.
Speaker 5: They beat Cincinnati Crazy thirty to twenty four. So there's
a little college football scoring update.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean too Lane. Now with the lost,
South Florida is now second behind Navy. So so Jake
Redstaff and the driver's seat to the America.
Speaker 5: We're talking about how BYU and Tulane are gonna find
themselves in the college football playoff and matchup against each
other in the preseason.
Speaker 4: We're like, wait, is this possible? Like, no, it's not
gonna happen.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden after that Jake Retslov game versus
Memphis where he threw for four thousand yards and eighty
touchdowns and he looked like an NFL first round draft pick. Now,
tou Lane the Wave, which I think, Brian, you had
a game in which you played.
Speaker 4: The Wave out Yeah, New Orleans, Yeah yeah, anything, you guys,
probably fifty to three or something. Was that score fifty
four to three? After Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Crazy, there's a lot of things go right, crazy, Alabama
might have a chance to win this game into Oklahoma. No, no, no,
they beat Memphis. It was they beat Memphis last week.
They didn't know, but yes, South Florida lost and they
were number two, but they just lost. And right now
Memphis being in a battle with East Carolina twenty four,
twenty four in the fourth quarter. So right now to
Lane's in a good driver's seat to get to the
American Title Game.
Speaker 4: He's just a good jo If Jake makes it, doesn't
oh oh oh somebody something.
Speaker 1: Oh somebody, hey, somebody go out to go to Twitter.
Speaker 4: That would be pissed. I don't be mad.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine Jake Retz laughing tu Lane go to
the college Football Playoff and b au Would.
Speaker 5: You feel like BYU Football's cursed if that happened, like
you know, because look I've said this, no, then you
like I twenty twenty five to beat the year we
get over the hump.
Speaker 4: And by the hump, I mean like you're.
Speaker 5: Talking in the early two thousands, late nineties, you know,
not getting to a BCS Bowl.
Speaker 4: You went to a New year six Bowl.
Speaker 5: You went to a New Year's Bowl, yes, in ninety six,
but it wasn't what it should have been, not the bowl,
the game you should have one of the best ever.
You beat Kansas State in Bill Schneider et cetera. What
a great game, what a great team that was led
by Sark and that that mounted nineteen ninety six defense.
Speaker 4: Love those guys right and their legends.
Speaker 5: Two thousand and one didn't get over the hump because
you lost your final few games.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then you also didn't get over up in O
six oh seven, like we we lost in double overtime
to Boston College and Matt Ryan and then we lost
on a fifty three yard field goal at U of A.
It was early on in the season seven to two loss,
Teama three loss, Team nine two lost team the Florida
State game and TCU game. We couldn't get over the
up in order to get into the BCS during the
independent era, couldn't get in to the College Football Playoff.
We have not been able to get there. And so
is this the year to get over the hump? Obviously
you gotta win the night. You got to stop the
five game winning streak and uh. And you wonder, it's like,
with all this cannibalism going on, can b YU if
they get to the Big twelve championship game. Say they
finish off the season, they beat TCU tonight, they beat
Cincy on the road, they beat UCF.
Speaker 4: At home, and they get to the Big Toal championship game.
Speaker 5: If they lose to TCU, but it's more respectable, say
it's a ten point loss. Do they get an at
large bid after watching what t or what Texas Tech
is doing everybody else, and I think they will. I
think the curse the curse has been lifted. The curse
has been lifted.
Speaker 1: At large.
Speaker 4: They're gonna get the at large I want to believe below.
Speaker 1: Because because the committee said they wouldn't punish you for
losing the conference championship. Yeah, because they said the year
guys they lost, they were the ten they lost to
Clemson in the title game, respectfully, and then they were
the twelve team. They were, well, we're about to be
out so fast. I went from seven, I went from
seven to twelve. Yes, but if Oklahoma and Texas not
Texas Texas lose tonight and b W you wins, they're
gonna be ten. They're not gonna They're not gonna do.
Speaker 6: That're gonna look look, look, look, I'm gonna bring you
guys down in reality.
Speaker 4: Look I didn't I can't grow up a byu Fannia
did I. I'm not LDS right neither.
Speaker 1: I'm not a homer. You guys are homers.
Speaker 7: None of us grew up b YU. You guys are homers,
none of us, None of us grew up fans. I
grew up in the country. Okay, listen, So that makes
it this that makes this worse. What I'm about to say,
that makes it.
Speaker 1: That makes it you see that's right. You guysn't both
laughing from that makes it worse. You like me, I
grew up from the pack tid.
Speaker 6: I grew packed tid right like Reggie Bush uh Marshawn
Lynch like like, yeah, DeShawn Jackson, you know what I'm saying.
Like I seen, I grew up seeing those guys, and
I understand what national respet looks like. If you grew
up in the big ten. You you grew up in
the pack like me too. You know what national respect
looks like. This is not national respect at all. I'm
not sitting here saying that b YU isn't good and
they're not capable of getting over there.
Speaker 4: That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I'm saying when it comes to the national perception of.
Speaker 4: Of that's outside of your control.
Speaker 6: When it comes to making it outside of wins and losses,
it's over, it's bad, it's done.
Speaker 4: It's it is.
Speaker 6: It just is what it is. It's it's unfortunate. But
the perception of b y U is old white, slow Mormons.
That's just that's what it is. I played on the team.
Well it's it's gonna take some years for her to get.
Speaker 4: To this point.
Speaker 5: When you lose to b YU, it's because they're old white, slow,
mature exactly, old man's strength Mormons exactly.
Speaker 4: You know what the average ages for the B A.
Cougar football team is this year?
Speaker 1: I got it wrong.
Speaker 4: Probably twenty close, it's twenty one and a half. Yeah,
that makes sense. It's actually I said, probably a lot
of these A lot of these kids aren't l Yeah,
so they're not going on missions.
Speaker 5: Fifty I want to say fifty three of them are
so half of your little half your roster is.
Speaker 4: But that's that, you know.
Speaker 5: The you know, the oldest is Sam Vanderhart, the puncher,
and I mean, you know he's like, what's up, Eric, Uh,
he's like twenty eight. Anyway, I mean, let's go to break.
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byu TCU match.
Speaker 4: Are you got to take off? Yeah? Give me a score.
Speaker 5: Prittyscore b YU is not favorite or they are favored
three and a half points over unders at fifty I
think fifty one and a half.
Speaker 4: How do you see this game playing out, I say,
BYU by two scores, fourteen point victims. I say, no,
I ain't say fourteen ten. Where's my mouth?
Speaker 6: One possesionsessions, thirty one, twenty one. It could be seven
and ten. It could be it may could be seven
in three twenty eight, got a test on the field goal,
It could be testing in safety. Two scores, they went
by two possessions. I would say, so, yeah, and then
two scoring. I guess you don't gotta say.
Speaker 4: Possessions, but twenty one to ten, yeah, something like that, Yeah,
something like that. Okay, I mean it could be sixty
to seventy five.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying they'll win by two scores, two possessments.
Speaker 5: I like it all right, being low. Appreciate you man,
much love for you and your family. Great segment. We'll
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