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<v Speaker 1>In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, Jensen Apples is on,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Dane from Countdown, Taron Egerton in the cast of

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<v Speaker 1>Smoke on Apple TV Plus, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 3>your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on

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<v Speaker 3>all the movies, TV, music, and pomp culture U Crab Weekly.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Kyle McMahon.

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<v Speaker 1>Nett ne it Net, Hello and welcome to pop Culture

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly with Kyle McMahon. I, of course and Kyle McMahon

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<v Speaker 1>and we have got an absolutely stacked episode of pop

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<v Speaker 1>Culture Weekly. So I hope you've got your streaming passwords

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<v Speaker 1>memorized because we're diving headfirst into two of the buzziest

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<v Speaker 1>shows of the summer, Countdown on Prime Video and Smoke

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<v Speaker 1>on Apple TV Plus, both really great thriller series. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really really excited about that. First up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always you know, I spend my fourth of July

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. For a Capitol Fourth, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible annual special that airs on pds, and you

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<v Speaker 1>may have caught that I had the exclusive reveal of

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<v Speaker 1>the lineup this year and it is awesome dance floor

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<v Speaker 1>legend himself, Alfonso Robero returns as hosts for this year's broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's its forty fifth year and there's something for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>with the performers Yolanda Adams, Gospel Queen and Anti Anti

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<v Speaker 1>Yolanda Anti Yo, Abby Carter American Idol Season twenty two winner,

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<v Speaker 1>to be bringing the summertime country bops, the Beach Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Temptations to legendary bands will be gracing the

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol fourth stage. Trombone Shorty is performing and country crooner

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Turner will be performing as well. And as always,

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<v Speaker 1>the National Symphony Orchestra, led by Jack Everley, will be

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<v Speaker 1>providing the soundtrack for this patriotic celebration. And because it

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<v Speaker 1>is more than just about the music, there will be

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<v Speaker 1>some incredible tributes to the people and the stories that

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<v Speaker 1>make America America. There'll be a two hundred and fiftieth

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary salute to the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps with

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<v Speaker 1>an Armed Forces medley and a full color guard, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be great. World War Two's eightieth anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>tribute honoring members of the Greatest Generation First Responders recognition,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that jaw dropping fireworks finale with the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest and best fireworks in the country. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch live Friday July fourth at eight pm Eastern on PBS,

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<v Speaker 1>PBS's YouTube, and PBS dot org, with an encore presentation

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<v Speaker 1>immediately following at nine point thirty. And if you already

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<v Speaker 1>have plans, you will want to watch it on demand

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<v Speaker 1>from July fourth through July eighteenth, so you'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>On YouTube, PBS dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>And on your on demand. So I'll be there as

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<v Speaker 1>always interviewing the talent, and we'll have an episode coming

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<v Speaker 1>out the morning of July fourth with all my interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with all of the cast, so be sure to tune

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<v Speaker 1>in and look for that. All right, First up, buckle

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<v Speaker 1>up for Countdown on Prime Video. Countdown is an explosive

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<v Speaker 1>edge of your seat thriller from the Chicago Fire creator

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<v Speaker 1>Derek has So we're talking like ticking clocks, impossible choices,

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<v Speaker 1>and a crazy stack cast that includes Jensen Acles, Eric Dane,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Camacho, Violet Bean, Juli Latsukifu, and Elliott Knight and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I asked everything from secrets to survival to

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<v Speaker 1>how it was on set. Then later things get even

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<v Speaker 1>more smoky, literally with Smoke, the intense new Apple TV

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<v Speaker 1>Plus series from the brilliant mind of Dennis Lee Haynes,

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<v Speaker 1>who's done Mystic River and Shutter Island, two of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite movies ever. This one. Smoke has got Taron Egerton,

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<v Speaker 1>Journey Smolley, Greg Kanear, Rafe Spaal and niare Moinna burning

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<v Speaker 1>up the screen and Smoke is gritty, It's gripping, and

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<v Speaker 1>somehow it manages to make even Greg kanear terrifying, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty cool. So grab your popcorn, Aaron Haler, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you know, vodka or water whatever, because we're jumping

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<v Speaker 1>right in pop culture. Weekly starts right now. Countdown on

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Video. Derek Coss He has brought us Chicago Fire, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>p D Chicago Med and probably coming soon in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>Bake Off.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown is like uphulse pounding what would you do? Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of series where the clock's against you and you never

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<v Speaker 1>know who you can trust. I love it. It reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me of like an updated version of twenty four and

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<v Speaker 1>the cast is awesome. Jensen Ackles, who still somehow looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a CW. Hart Throb and an ABC all at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Eric Dane, Mike STEENI himself, and the rest.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the cast.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk with them all. The show is packed with tension, swagger,

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<v Speaker 1>and very attractive people diffusing extremely complicated situations. So first

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<v Speaker 1>this presence on screen that basically says, do not mess

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<v Speaker 1>He's really awesome. And the charming and sharp Elliot Knight,

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<v Speaker 1>who brings some nuance intention to his role and Countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's jump right into my interview with them. Julie

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<v Speaker 1>Let Tukifu and Elliot Knight, thank you both so much

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<v Speaker 1>for speaking with me. I really appreciate it. Hey, nice

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<v Speaker 1>to meet you. So first of all, congratulations on Countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really enjoyable. It's edge of your seat and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>loving it. So congrats on that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome to hear. Thank you, of course. So what,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much to the project. There's action you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>of it the writing, the other talent. What drew you

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<v Speaker 5>I think the uniqueness of the mix of all of

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<v Speaker 5>those things, not as a cop out answer, but truly

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<v Speaker 5>it's not that often that you get so many wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>components coming together to make something original like that. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Derek has a proven track record of being

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<v Speaker 5>able to create beautiful dynamics of characters and stories that

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<v Speaker 5>really draw people in. And I think that having a

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<v Speaker 5>streaming home with Amazon is just a really exciting combination

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<v Speaker 5>and it's made it really fun to be a path

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<v Speaker 5>And how about.

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<v Speaker 6>For you you, I mean, mate, I was born and

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<v Speaker 6>raised in Australia, so kind of the opportunity to work

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<v Speaker 1>For me.

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<v Speaker 6>That was a real special thing that I was really

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<v Speaker 6>hoping would happen, and it happened, and the genre again

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<v Speaker 6>and working with Derek proven trek record, as Elliott said,

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<v Speaker 6>So it's all been a dream, Mate, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it shows up on screen. So for both

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<v Speaker 1>of you, you know, as as you were doing this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had asked some of your cast mates

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just so fascinating to me like I would

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<v Speaker 1>be fanboying out wanting to know what's next, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening next in the story? Did either of you

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<v Speaker 1>do that or did you take it script by script

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<v Speaker 1>or like, what did you do?

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<v Speaker 6>I read in advance just for my own sanity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I kind of just understanding my personal arc by the

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<v Speaker 6>end well as long as yeah, yeah, right, But but

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<v Speaker 6>then took my approach when filming episode by episode because

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't want to preempt anything or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 6>but I did need to know for me that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of what Derek was thinking about where he would end

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<v Speaker 6>up and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And for sure, Yeah, I think you'd fit in if

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<v Speaker 5>that's how you feel, because I definitely felt like that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's exciting to find out what's going to happen, and

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<v Speaker 5>every new script feels like a little treasure chest you

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<v Speaker 5>get to open, not knowing what's going to be inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh that's good. I should have been saying that more.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, that's good. That's I like treasure chests.

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<v Speaker 1>But it does.

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<v Speaker 5>It feels like that, not just about yourself obviously, but

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<v Speaker 5>finding out where things are going to go, because he's

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<v Speaker 5>really made a story that's so unpredictable. Yeah, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you would not be out of place. It's it's easy

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<v Speaker 1>About and and then you know, you you filmed this

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of go and now it's coming. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's here. Do you get that same excitement that

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<v Speaker 1>this project that you work so hard on is being

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed to the world or does it turn to nervousness

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<v Speaker 6>I am I'm not nervous, but I'm I am. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I guess I'm excited because, you know, watching it back,

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<v Speaker 6>I kind of get you get memories of where you

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<v Speaker 6>shot things and who you're shooting with. That's always an

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<v Speaker 6>important thing. I am quietly, quietly pumped for people to

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. How about you earlier?

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<v Speaker 5>No, yeah, it's the way that this actually feels different

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<v Speaker 5>for me. This is completely true. It was such a

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<v Speaker 5>relaxed experience to enjoy doing this work, still caring about

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<v Speaker 5>it and still bringing our all to it. But this

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<v Speaker 5>feels like such a family energy around what we've done.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm almost on the other side of being nervous or excited.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't wait for people to see it. But I'm

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<v Speaker 5>also just so proud of what we've done, and I

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<v Speaker 5>fully believe in the fun that we created and what

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<v Speaker 5>we've all done together, and anything else after that is

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<v Speaker 5>a bonus for me. So I'm just I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 5>anyone who does join us on this ride and enjoy

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<v Speaker 5>the show like we have, because there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 5>guys watching as well, we'll be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. I can't wait for it. Thank you both for

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<v Speaker 2>Jui and Elliott.

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<v Speaker 1>Great guys, very very sweet guys, and incredibly talented actors.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Next up, I chat with Jessica Camacho and

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<v Speaker 1>Violet Bean. These two just own every scene that they're in,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're throwing punches or throwing shade. They bring the

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<v Speaker 1>fire to count Down. Let's jump right into it. Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Camacho and Violet Bean, thank you both so much for

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<v Speaker 1>speaking with me. I really appreciate it. Hi, how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good? Thank you, and I'm loving Countdown. It

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<v Speaker 1>is awesome, and so congratulations to both of you on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, of course, So tell me about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's an it's an exciting series, and but what

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<v Speaker 5>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>The script?

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<v Speaker 1>The idea? Was it? You know what drew you to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the project? I think it was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of all of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I think, Yeah, I mean, the characters are awesome, They're

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<v Speaker 7>all so uniquely themselves, and Los Angeles is like the

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<v Speaker 7>fact that you would shoot here is so wild to

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<v Speaker 7>me because so many shows don't, first of all, but

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<v Speaker 7>also it's a show that takes place in La you know,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not just going to be in a studio, and

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<v Speaker 7>every week, shooting in different neighborhoods. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 7>just all the unique characters with such a big draw.

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<v Speaker 8>For me, how about for you, Jessica, Like action thriller,

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<v Speaker 1>So I just love all of that.

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<v Speaker 8>The excitement inherent in all of that.

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<v Speaker 7>pilot right, yes, but then right after we or right

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<v Speaker 7>But it is helpful if there's some big character choice

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<v Speaker 7>And it's very rare. Derek had already written all of

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<v Speaker 8>and alongside her, you know, as Amber's learning information, I

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<v Speaker 1>Well I think you both balanced it beautifully. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait for everybody to see the Countdown. Thank you both

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 11>We appreciate it having I appreciate you you too, Jessica

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<v Speaker 11>and Violent.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Last, but not least in our Countdown block,

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen Acles and Eric Dane. Jensen the Man, the myth

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<v Speaker 1>and the trench Coat legend and Mixsteini himself. Eric Dane,

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<v Speaker 1>you loved him and Supernatural, you feared him in the Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's back in Countdown as a man with

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<v Speaker 1>a badge past and no time for nonsense. And Eric Dane,

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<v Speaker 1>who has officially transitioned from mcsteeny to mister I will

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<v Speaker 1>break you with my voice in Countdown. He brings serious

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<v Speaker 1>weight and those intense eyes to a role that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you guessing. And I have a feeling you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna love it just as much as I did. Here

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<v Speaker 1>they are Jensen Ankles and Eric Dane. Thank you both

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining me. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>You gonna hit us with some pop culture trivia because

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<v Speaker 4>we're not prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, and I wouldn't be prepared either, which all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of typical for me anyway. But first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Countdown, and uh, it's it's such a great show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so exciting, edge of your seat, high stakes. What

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<v Speaker 1>what drew you both to do?

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<v Speaker 5>It?

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<v Speaker 4>It all of what you just said, honestly, Like, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>there was there was the heists, the action pack, the intensity,

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<v Speaker 4>the fast paced. But you know, I'll speak for me,

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<v Speaker 4>there was there was a there was a vulnerability to this,

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<v Speaker 4>to this show.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a heart to this show.

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<v Speaker 12>Personality.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a personality to the show. That's right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's very good.

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<v Speaker 4>That that it that I think it It really it

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<v Speaker 4>made me want to care about these characters. In a

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<v Speaker 4>want you want to root for these people. You want

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<v Speaker 4>to make them, you want to you know, you want

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<v Speaker 4>to you want to hope that they succeed. You really,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, there's they.

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<v Speaker 12>It's there's the time enough invested so that you can

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<v Speaker 12>as an audience invest correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think that that's we're hoping that that

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's one of what's going to give us seasons two.

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<v Speaker 1>Three, ten, fifteen, twenty. And that actually was something that

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<v Speaker 1>was something I was going to ask you guys, was

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<v Speaker 1>are there more Is there more room in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>in this world for more stories? A hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Derek's Derek's an absolute phenom of a writer. He's

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he has like forty seven different shows on the

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<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, Well, I mean it's a testament to

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, what he's capable of.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think he's uh, I think he is proudly

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<v Speaker 4>hanging his hat on this show as he should, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's done a dynami job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is a great show, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's I feel like we don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of shows like this anymore. Like when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>remember twenty four, like had that, you know, that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like an edge of your seat show for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like we've been kind of missing that

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<v Speaker 1>and Countdown brings it back, at least for me. Scratches

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<v Speaker 1>that itch. You know.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know what we've been doing, but that is

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<v Speaker 12>a great reference twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've used. Yeah, that's a great reference.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah. I don't see the show as a throwback, but

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<v Speaker 12>I do understand what you mean. And it's an elevated procedural.

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<v Speaker 12>And like Jensen said, you get to invest in these

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<v Speaker 12>characters because you get the time to care about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, And I think everybody is going to

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for everybody. I can't wait for it

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<v Speaker 1>to come out so I can start talking to people

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<v Speaker 1>about it because now I'm like, I can't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>anybody about it yet. So one week, baby, one week,

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<v Speaker 1>there we go. Thank you, Eric, and Jad said, I

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<v Speaker 1>really really appreciate both of your time. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody to see Countdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Jensen and Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>Love these two amazing talented actors love Countdown and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you will too. It is streaming right now on

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Video, so hit me up, let me know if

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching it, let me know what you think. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to talk about with this one, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>Culture Weekly. But when we come back, we're diving in

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<v Speaker 1>just Smoke on Apple TV Plus with Taron Egerton and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the cast. All right, thanks for hanging

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<v Speaker 1>with me and supporting our sponsors who support me, that

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<v Speaker 1>help me bring this show to you. So all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Smoke, Apple TV Plus's latest entry into

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<v Speaker 1>the gritty crime drama that will emotionally wreck you in

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<v Speaker 1>eight episodes. And I mean that in the best way possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so good. This one comes from Dennis Lehane, who,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, doesn't write stories as much as emotional uppercuts,

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<v Speaker 1>often with Boston accents. So if you've seen Mystic River Gone,

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<v Speaker 1>Baby Gone, or Shutter Island, you know Dennis does not

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<v Speaker 1>come to play Smoke is moody it's messy in the

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<v Speaker 1>best way possible, and it's really magnetic. It stars Tarren Egerton,

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<v Speaker 1>who somehow manages to look both dangerous and like he'd

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for bumping into you at Starbucks, and Journey Smalay,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg kinnear just the whole cast is giving emmy bait

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<v Speaker 1>with a side of Oh no, I need therapy after

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. It's that good. So I sat down with

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to talk about the show. Let's get right into it.

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<v Speaker 2>First.

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<v Speaker 1>Up is actor Tayray and Winnen, whose performance in Smoke

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<v Speaker 1>is so layered you'll be thinking about it long after

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump right into it. Here he is Tray and winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much and sorry for speaking with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you. Kyle Culcher, was that what's up? Pop culture?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm loving Smoke. It is a really incredible series, and

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations to you on that. So I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>same with you, just because you know, I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this for this project because it is to me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fascinating on how it is originally a true story

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<v Speaker 1>that was then a book that was then a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>that is now a limited series that has that is

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by based on this what drew You to Smoke?

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<v Speaker 11>Dennis Lame, Taron Erton, Joreny Small, that the incredible team

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<v Speaker 11>that's assembled here's a dream to work with. And Dennis

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<v Speaker 11>has been a mastermind in creating psychological thrillers that have

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<v Speaker 11>taken us on a thrill ride.

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<v Speaker 11>Wonder where it all comes from. This piece, there was

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<v Speaker 11>inspired by true events. My character is loosely inspired by

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<v Speaker 11>one of the most prolific serial arsists in US history.

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<v Speaker 11>So that what a playground. Any actors dream to be

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the reality at all or did you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your angle as an actor? What was your

425
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<v Speaker 1>tactic for that?

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<v Speaker 11>Freddie Fassano's lived a life that, from my point of view,

427
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<v Speaker 11>is unimaginable. I didn't know anyone who's sort of gone

428
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<v Speaker 11>through circumstances lived through I had no sort of personal

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<v Speaker 11>connection to what he's been through. When I spoke with Dennis,

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<v Speaker 11>I was like, where did this come from? How did

431
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<v Speaker 11>you write this? And he just simply said his imagination.

432
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<v Speaker 11>He let his imagination run free. And sometimes when you

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<v Speaker 11>do that, you can surprise yourself and surprise others. And

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<v Speaker 11>so that gave me the creative license to sort of

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<v Speaker 11>play and play with the incredible dialogue that he written,

436
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<v Speaker 11>the incredible scene partners that I had Dakota Delby, Adina Porter,

437
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<v Speaker 11>Taron Edgerton, and having that sort of creative license playing

438
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<v Speaker 11>opposite them led to fireworks that I think surprised all

439
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<v Speaker 11>of us.

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<v Speaker 1>As you are preparing for a role like this, do

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<v Speaker 1>you dive into the reality of it? Do you know,

442
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<v Speaker 1>go introspective? What's your method?

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, you try as much as you can to

444
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<v Speaker 11>try to understand through of what the characters live through.

445
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<v Speaker 11>But for me, with this role, I had to let

446
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<v Speaker 11>go of that because there's nothing I could possibly I

447
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<v Speaker 11>can never fully understand the depths of despair that this

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<v Speaker 11>characters live through. I would be a fool to say

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<v Speaker 11>that I understand his pain, or his suffering or his loneliness.

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<v Speaker 11>All I can do is try to pretend and let

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<v Speaker 11>my imagination go on what that might be like and

452
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<v Speaker 11>hope and pray that that translates on screen. But for

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<v Speaker 11>you to ask me, do you really know what it

454
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<v Speaker 11>feels like to be Freddie? I was like, I can't

455
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<v Speaker 11>speak to that because there's people who really have lived

456
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<v Speaker 11>through that, and I have utmost empathy for anyone who's

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<v Speaker 11>been through this journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and for you, you know, you're you're such a

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<v Speaker 1>creative person. You've You've done so many projects from stage, documentary,

460
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<v Speaker 1>film series. Is there something that when you were, you know,

461
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<v Speaker 1>considering your next project, do you have a pattern or

462
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<v Speaker 1>is it just like, oh, you know, my agent sent

463
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<v Speaker 1>me this awesome project and I'm interested in it. Or

464
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<v Speaker 1>is there there's something you know more to it? Is

465
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<v Speaker 1>there stories you're drawn to over you know, one type

466
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<v Speaker 1>over another.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, sometimes we can self sabotage ourselves as an actors.

468
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<v Speaker 11>I didn't. I never would have thought I could do

469
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<v Speaker 11>this role. This character is so far out that I

470
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<v Speaker 11>was never pitching my my agent saying this is the

471
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<v Speaker 11>kind of role I need to play. He's needed this

472
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<v Speaker 11>this the other you know. I don't give any spoilers away,

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<v Speaker 11>but I said to my reps, this is the kind

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<v Speaker 11>of thing I want. I would never have thought I

475
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<v Speaker 11>would never have drapped up a role like this, and

476
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<v Speaker 11>so to be given this opportunity, sometimes you got to

477
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<v Speaker 11>think out of outside the box and be and be

478
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<v Speaker 11>surprised at what is handed to you as an opportunity

479
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<v Speaker 11>and be willing to just dive in. Because even when

480
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<v Speaker 11>I got the audition material, my first audition scene was

481
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<v Speaker 11>a barbershop scene where they're shaving my characters surly afro

482
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<v Speaker 11>and as you can see, I'm not very well gifted

483
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<v Speaker 11>in the hair department. And I was like, how do

484
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<v Speaker 11>I even do that audition scene because they're talking about

485
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<v Speaker 11>cutting my hair and I have I'm recording that an

486
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<v Speaker 11>audition where I have no hair and I'm talking about

487
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<v Speaker 11>my hair. I was like, it just didn't even make sense.

488
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<v Speaker 11>I was like, should I wear a wig? And then

489
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<v Speaker 11>I was like, that's gonna look cheesy. So all I

490
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<v Speaker 11>could do is sort of let go h of expectations.

491
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<v Speaker 11>And sometimes when you let go of expectations, you experience

492
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<v Speaker 11>the divine, and hopefully that is what happened on screen

493
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<v Speaker 11>with this.

494
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<v Speaker 1>I love that sometimes when you let go of expectations,

495
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you experience the divine. That's very powerful. Finally, what do

496
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you hope that a viewer gets from Smoke? You know, ultimately,

497
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>while it is a drama, dramatic drama dramatized versions is

498
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<v Speaker 1>why don't use speak words, but why it is a

499
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<v Speaker 1>fictional lottt version of true events that you know it

500
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>is based on some truly horrible, horrible things. What do

501
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you hope that a viewer gets watching Smoke?

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00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 11>I think that viewers are going to get a thrill.

503
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<v Speaker 11>I mean, it's a thrilling ride of love, loss and

504
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 11>revenge and what happens when people try to connect with someone,

505
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.880
<v Speaker 11>want desperately something from someone else and doing the thing

506
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 11>that makes things worse. I mean, we've all been in

507
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 11>a situation where you've lost something and you try to

508
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 11>get it back and it just makes it worse and

509
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 11>you get in a vicious cycle and you can't figure

510
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 11>out how to get out of it. This is not

511
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 11>the extreme, but in a way that there's you hope

512
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 11>for the best for the characters, and you see their

513
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 11>attempt to try to get the best for themselves, but

514
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 11>in the process somehow shoot themselves in the foot, and

515
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<v Speaker 11>then you hope for the best for them again.

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<v Speaker 1>Much like life. I would say Thank you so much, sir.

517
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for everybody to see Smoke and then

518
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I can finally talk about it with people.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you for getting the word out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, have a great day you too. Let's ay

521
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Ray awesome guy, such a charming guy and a great actor.

522
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<v Speaker 1>All right. Next up the man behind the Madness Dennis Laane.

523
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>His resume reads like a syllabus for incredibly well crafted

524
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 1>trauma one oh one, the Drop, Mystic River, Shutter Island,

525
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and now with Smoke, is once again proving that no

526
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<v Speaker 1>one writes morally complex, emotionally devastating drama quite like he does.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's jump into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Lane, thank you so much for speaking with me. Dennis,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it. No pleasure, thanks of course. So

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, congratulations on Smoke. It is really compelling

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<v Speaker 1>and I absolutely love it. What this story, which is

532
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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know, based on a true story, has been

533
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<v Speaker 1>through a book, in a podcast, now a limited series.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Why did you decide to create this in this It

535
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>was brought to me by Carrie Antolis, who did the

536
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 1>podcast Firebug, and then he brought it to me, and

537
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>even when he was pitching it to me telling me

538
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 1>the story.

539
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 2>I was like, h really, I don't know, you know,

540
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>but he stuck with me because I had the exact

541
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>same reaction to Blackbird too. So I'm very hard to

542
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>convince to do stuff. So I listened to the podcast.

543
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I went back to him and I just said, look,

544
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>carry I like one really like one thing about this

545
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that I feel like I could look into, which is

546
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I like this idea of this guy who's so in

547
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>denial that he's an arson investigator chasing a serial arsenist

548
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 2>who he happens to be, and then he's writing a

549
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 2>book about it in which he's putting in fires that

550
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>mirror the actual fires with the information that only the

551
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>actual arsenists could know. That I find interested because I

552
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>find this sort of I don't know, I just find

553
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>denial interesting. And so I said, I can do that,

554
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>and I can pull in this idea of fire, like

555
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>what does fire mean?

556
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>You know? What does fire mean? Metaphorically? What does it mean?

557
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 2>What does it mean?

558
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Emotionally? Does it mean?

559
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Psychologically? What is it to be trapped in a fire?

560
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<v Speaker 2>If I can do that, and then I can throw

561
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 2>out everything else because I really don't want to do

562
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighties I don't want to do Glendale, California.

563
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do this guy's trial.

564
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do any of that.

565
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Then I'll do it.

566
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<v Speaker 2>And then I had the exact same conversation with Tarran,

567
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 2>and Tarran said, I'll do If you're doing that character,

568
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. And so then we were off to

569
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the races. But it was always meant to be a

570
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 2>heavy fictionalized version inspired by a true evet, which was

571
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>this one guy who had done this one thing. And

572
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a little of the same thing in.

573
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<v Speaker 1>The Freddy character.

574
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Freddy character was inspired by an actual guy too, and

575
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>so inspired by and then you break bad and then

576
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 2>you go as far afield as you want to go.

577
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think where we really had the most fun

578
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 2>with that early on was Michelle. There's no Michelle in

579
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<v Speaker 2>that in this story, in the real facts of the

580
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 2>real case. And I just said, what if we created

581
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 2>an investigator who had her own really warped relationship with Fire,

582
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<v Speaker 2>and what if she was attracted to Fire in a

583
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>way that she didn't even understand, And it's the reason

584
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that she ended up going to war, it's the reason

585
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>she became a cop, it's the reason she makes all

586
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>these disastrous romantic decisions. It's all of a piece, and

587
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>that's when the show began to get really fun. In

588
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 2>the writer's room. I remember that.

589
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting to me that you were I

590
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>don't want to say so adamantly against it, but so

591
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>really almost not interested in a way in the early

592
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 1>stages to where you know, you've been able to creatively

593
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of, as you said, you know, go on a

594
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<v Speaker 1>fictionalized version and kind of run with it. And it's

595
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<v Speaker 1>it's I find that fascinating for me, just for you

596
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 1>as a creator, you know, and and then how it

597
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 1>comes together so well. Obviously in my opinion, it was

598
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the right creative decision. It's it's an incredibly great series

599
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and you and I think, you know, the decisions that

600
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you made.

601
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Obviously worked very well to support that. Uh Taraan you

602
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>worked with them on on Blackbird.

603
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Was he at you know, at the forefront of your

604
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>thoughts as you were, you know, kind of exploring this project.

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00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I brought it to town before I wrote a

606
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>line of dialogue. I mean, I brought it to town

607
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>before I wrote anything. And we got we both got

608
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 2>jazzed by the idea of the character and in what

609
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we were trying to investigate. I don't like to say things.

610
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I like to investigate. I like to question things. So

611
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>we thought, what are we saying about sort of male

612
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 2>culture right now? It's different than what we said in

613
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Black Blackbird, but also of a piece, you know, we

614
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 2>we really that's something that he and I love to investigate.

615
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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

616
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 2>What is manhood in the world modern world, you know?

617
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<v Speaker 2>And so we ran down that path, and he was

618
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>all in because he knew this was gonna be a

619
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 2>crazy character to play. He knew I was going to

620
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 2>take it someplace absolutely nuts. I mean that was something

621
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that I was conveyed to him through text very early on.

622
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this show is going mad, and we just

623
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<v Speaker 2>we you know what, It was a wonderful feeling in

624
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 2>the writer's room when we realized we were going to

625
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>just blow the doors off this thing, like there was

626
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 2>it was just Blackbird was a very controlled it was

627
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>it was a very controlled piece of narrative, and this

628
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>just felt like, no, this demands chaos. You're trying to

629
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>write about chaos. You're trying to write about something that's

630
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>dangerously both chaotic and sexy, which is fire and sanely

631
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>destructive and what does that mean for everybody involved? And

632
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that that just that just allowed us, that became our

633
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>marching orders, like basically, there's no limit to where the

634
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<v Speaker 2>show can go.

635
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<v Speaker 1>And is that part of what you know attracts you

636
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<v Speaker 1>to a project like this where you can do something

637
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<v Speaker 1>like Blackbird, which you say is is more controlled and

638
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>then this you're like, Okay, we're going the opposite way

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Is that something that attracts you as a

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<v Speaker 1>creator to that, Yeah, it's challenging, It's someplace I've never

641
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<v Speaker 1>been before, you know.

642
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<v Speaker 2>And and I think that's what attracts both Taran and

643
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<v Speaker 2>I think are the secret to our our collaboration is

644
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<v Speaker 2>neither of us likes to do things unless something about

645
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<v Speaker 2>it scares us.

646
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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a big thing.

647
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<v Speaker 2>Like Taran doesn't like to take roles unless they scare them,

648
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<v Speaker 2>unless some part of it is like can I do that?

649
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 2>And I don't like to write something unless I'm like,

650
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<v Speaker 2>I could really mess this up. I couldn't really screw

651
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<v Speaker 2>this up, so uh, let's let's give it a try.

652
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<v Speaker 2>That's and that's that's why, that's what keeps the juices

653
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<v Speaker 2>flowing you know what I mean. That's what keeps it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Tom Sizemore line. You do it for the

656
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<v Speaker 2>action and uh and he you know, yeah, that's what

657
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<v Speaker 2>it is, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love that, Dennis. Thank you so much. I

659
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<v Speaker 1>can't wait for everybody to see Smoke so I can

660
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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Tell you, I'm like itching for discussion

661
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>on it, and nobody can't do it yet, so I

662
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<v Speaker 1>can't wait for everybody to do I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate the enthusiasm. It's great to hear. Thank you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Thank you, Dennis.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a great day.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheers you too. Dennis Waye.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that I got to talk to him, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just his work some of my favorite favorite projects, like

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<v Speaker 1>Mystic River. Shutter Island is one of my favorite movies.

670
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Gone Baby Gone, Like what anyway?

671
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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, Greg Kinnear and Rafe Spa together they bring

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<v Speaker 1>a wild energy to Smoke, a little bit charming, a

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00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit unhints, which honestly kind of how I would

675
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<v Speaker 1>describe me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump right into it. Greg Kaneer and Rape Spy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Greg and Rape for speaking with me. I

678
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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. Thank you for having us, of course,

679
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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, congratulations on the series. Smoke is

680
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so compelling, It's such a powerful story. What drew both

681
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<v Speaker 1>of you to this project?

682
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<v Speaker 13>I was a huge fan of Blackbird, of course, starred

683
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 13>Greg Clear and Taron Edgerton. I was really blown away

684
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<v Speaker 13>by it, and then I got an email about speaking

685
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 13>with Dennis about it. I read the first few episodes

686
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 13>and was blown away by them. Look, it's a show

687
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 13>which is ostensibly about fire and arson, and that is

688
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 13>an inherently fascinating subject. But what kept me there and

689
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 13>which in tern will keep the audience interested, was the

690
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 13>universal themes between the characters in terms of, you know,

691
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 13>people letting themselves down, people doing bad things. I think

692
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 13>that's pretty identifiable. All the characters in this I think,

693
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<v Speaker 13>see themselves as good people, but from the outside point

694
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<v Speaker 13>of view, we can see that they do bad things.

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<v Speaker 13>So nothing is black and white. There is a lot

696
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<v Speaker 13>of gray there. So that kept me interested. Wanted to

697
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<v Speaker 13>be a part of it, and I think it will

698
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<v Speaker 13>be the same for the audience as well.

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<v Speaker 14>And how about for you, Greg, Yeah, same thing I

700
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.960
<v Speaker 14>mean I was. I mean, this is a wonderful group

701
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<v Speaker 14>of actors. We got to work with like Blackbird, and

702
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<v Speaker 14>I was always never bored on the show with any

703
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 14>what anybody was doing with they had. Partially that's credit

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<v Speaker 14>to the writers and Dennis because the as I'm saying,

705
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<v Speaker 14>I mean, these characters are not obvious. And but I

706
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<v Speaker 14>remember reading it and thinking, oh, this is going to

707
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<v Speaker 14>be interesting to see how this actor takes this. And

708
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 14>sure enough, everybody, everybody, uh, lived up to expectations and

709
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<v Speaker 14>created something that is you know, that is I think unexpected,

710
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<v Speaker 14>and it's fueled by kind of an exotic, weird thing

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<v Speaker 14>of arson at its you know, front and center. It's

712
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 14>it's off based off a loosely off a podcast called Firebug.

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<v Speaker 14>That's just kind of the starting point of it, but

714
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<v Speaker 14>it goes it's a pretty unexpected show in terms of

715
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<v Speaker 14>the dance it's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, as I was talking to Tarn and

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis earlier, and what I find so fascinating about it

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, essentially based on true events that there

719
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>was this book, then there was this podcast, and now

720
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<v Speaker 1>there's this limited series. And yet Dennis told me that

721
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>he shows specifically to divert away, you know, use that

722
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 1>use the real story as the basis but divert away

723
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<v Speaker 1>from many of you know. The reality which I find,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so fascinating to me is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for both of you and Greg, you can start as

726
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<v Speaker 1>you're doing something that is, you know, loosely based on

727
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<v Speaker 1>real events. Do you dive into that reality news pieces

728
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 1>and that sort of thing, or do you pull back

729
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<v Speaker 1>and kind of do your own take based on the script.

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<v Speaker 14>Now I find you know that the source material for

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<v Speaker 14>me is the script the first and foremost these other elements.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, listen, there are you know, people who making

733
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<v Speaker 14>true stories, but even every story is taking license, I think,

734
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<v Speaker 14>and having worked with him in Blackbird, I saw this.

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<v Speaker 14>I think keeping the show entertaining and interesting and making

736
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 14>it something for an audience is first and foremost what

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<v Speaker 14>is interesting to him. It's certainly what I support. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>I've seen shows that I'm sure are very accurate, but

739
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<v Speaker 14>that's not what I'm Jason. I'm chasing for a full bodied,

740
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<v Speaker 14>interesting series that's going to take me to places I

741
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 14>don't expect, and if that has to deviate from reality,

742
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 14>so be it. And I think that we have a

743
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 14>great launching point on this. But this thing goes to

744
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 14>some pretty twisted places that even the actual reality and

745
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 14>story wouldn't take you too and for you.

746
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Rafe is that kind of the same thing. I would agree.

747
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<v Speaker 13>I'm much like Greg the the Bible is the script

748
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 13>that's to jumping off point now. I think if you're

749
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<v Speaker 13>playing someone that everybody in the world knows. So if

750
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<v Speaker 13>you're going to play Muhammad Ali or whatever, or someone

751
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 13>someone that everyone knows and everyone understands the rhythms of

752
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 13>their speech, and they everyone knows bits about their story,

753
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 13>you have a kind of duty whoever's playing that person

754
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 13>to be as accurate as possible. But if you're doing

755
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 13>a world which is kind of based on a story

756
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 13>of a load of people that apart from the people

757
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 13>and their families, no one's ever heard of them, no

758
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 13>one knows what they.

759
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Look like or sound like.

760
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 13>It's a blank canvas to be as creative as possible.

761
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 13>So I think it changes from projects to projects. If

762
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<v Speaker 13>you're playing someone super famous, then you have a duty

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<v Speaker 13>to kind of, you know, in some way give an

764
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 13>accurate portrayer that person. But you know, when it comes

765
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 13>to prep you've got the scripts, and if there are bits,

766
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 13>bits from the actual story that are helpful and playable,

767
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 13>then so be it. But a lot of research can

768
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 13>be quite dry and not playable. What's playable is human

769
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 13>emotion and that can come from myriad places like a

770
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<v Speaker 13>song or a or a book that's got nothing to

771
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.639
<v Speaker 13>do with it, something that might.

772
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Inspire and I love that.

773
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<v Speaker 1>And and finally, you know, it is some heavy material.

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00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>How did you both kind of keep it light when

775
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>when needed as you're shooting? You know, I assume I

776
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm not an actor, but I assume you

777
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 1>need some levity in, you know, kind of when you're

778
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 1>dealing with such heavy stuff. Maybe I'm totally off.

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<v Speaker 14>But I would say, yeah, I would say the off

780
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 14>camera chemistry, uh was was really excellent.

781
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody on this show was was really great.

782
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Good people, fund to work with.

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<v Speaker 14>And and when we weren't, when the cameras weren't doing

784
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<v Speaker 14>their thing, you know, we had.

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<v Speaker 11>We're in a lot of laughs.

786
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<v Speaker 2>We did have and that's what's important, you know, is.

787
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 13>Having fun Because we're in are we breathe very sanctified

788
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 13>air and get into what we do. We do the

789
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 13>jobs that we dreamed of doing when we were kids.

790
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<v Speaker 13>We get to put makeup on, wear other people's clothes

791
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 13>and pretend to do shit. These are my dreams and

792
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 13>they could see you.

793
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<v Speaker 2>Guys get paid for that. I try to do it

794
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 2>and I got yeah, sorry, yeah, exactly, yeah, but we

795
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 2>get paid for it.

796
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 13>People bring us into work, they bring us coffee. Everyone's

797
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 13>super nice to.

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00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Where you're an actor, Sarah Toga when you want.

799
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<v Speaker 13>To exactly, it's a it's a damn fine life, and

800
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 13>actors tend to be really lovely people, open and fun

801
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 13>and funny and self deprecating, and it's it's a lovely job,

802
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 13>last work, get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Thank you both so much. I can't

804
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>wait for everybody to see Smoke so I can talk

805
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 1>about it with them. I'm like dying to discuss.

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00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Itay very much, thanks for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great day. Red can hear a rape spa.

808
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.000
<v Speaker 1>You can tell everybody's so passionate about Smoke. It's such

809
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 1>a good series and you just gotta watch it. It's

810
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.119
<v Speaker 1>on Apple TV plus. It is so good and I

811
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to talk to you about it all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up Journey smell a And when I say she

813
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 1>devours every scene she's in, I mean you might want

814
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 1>to keep snacks nearby, just to emotionally recover. We talked

815
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 1>about what drew her to Smoke, how she prepped, and

816
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 1>so much more. Let's jump in right now, Journey, Smelly,

817
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, Journey for joining me. I really

818
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

819
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me man of course.

820
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>So first of all, congratulations on Smoke. I love it.

821
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<v Speaker 1>It's such compell it and television. I find it interesting

822
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>for me that it kind of had this interesting journey

823
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<v Speaker 1>from you know, kind of real life to book to

824
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<v Speaker 1>podcast to now, you know, this limited series where this

825
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 1>series itself isn't you know, it's not like a documentary,

826
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot of creative license and that sort

827
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of thing. Is that part of what drew you to it? Like,

828
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's this mystique to this whole kind

829
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<v Speaker 1>of backstory of the show itself, you know what I mean?

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00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you know, look, Dennis Lahane

831
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 15>is such a skilled writer and being in his hands

832
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 15>with a project that is a crime thriller, you know,

833
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<v Speaker 15>I mean, it doesn't get better, right the two right,

834
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<v Speaker 15>and yes, while it's inspired by true events, he does

835
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 15>take and he takes a lot of creative liberties with

836
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<v Speaker 15>the story and a lot of the characters, especially my

837
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 15>character Michelle. It was his brain child, you know, and

838
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.480
<v Speaker 15>I remember speaking to him early on and he said,

839
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 15>you know, Journey, everyone says that they want to be happy,

840
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 15>but why are we drawn to the very things that

841
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 15>want to destroy us? And that question of why is

842
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 15>honestly at the heart of Michelle. You know, when you

843
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 15>meet Michelle, she's literally destroying her home in order to

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<v Speaker 15>rebuild it, and we will see that she's in a

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<v Speaker 15>pattern of destruction and creation. And when she's paired with

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<v Speaker 15>Dave Terren's character, you know, at first they're in this

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00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.360
<v Speaker 15>like weird dynamic of neither of them want to be there,

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<v Speaker 15>and then he starts getting in her mind, she starts

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<v Speaker 15>getting in his mind. Then one minute they are kind

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<v Speaker 15>of like brother and sisters, and then the next minute

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<v Speaker 15>there's this sexual tension. And so, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 15>Dennis is so skilled at writing crime thrillers that are

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<v Speaker 15>at its core.

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00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Character driven stories.

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00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I love that so much, and it's it's it is

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00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 1>a heavy, you know, heavy topic set. We're dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you as an actor as a person, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you have some you know, some levity or did

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<v Speaker 1>you live in that world for the entire shoot or

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00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>were you able to take, you know, moments, steal moments

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00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that you could be Journey and be happy and not

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00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>all this heavy stuff.

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00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 15>That's a great question, you know. I used to I

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00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 15>remember back when I was shooting this TV show called

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<v Speaker 15>Underground about you know, the Underground Railroad. I would live

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00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 15>with that stuff man, you know, and take it home

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00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.840
<v Speaker 15>and stay in it. And now I'm a mom, so

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00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 15>I don't have that luxury because my son is not

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00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 15>only you know, he's in and out on my trailer,

870
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 15>going to craft service, coming and checking on mommy, Mommy.

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00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 15>I want to sit at the monitor and watch this scene.

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00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 15>And if it's a scene he can watch, I let him,

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00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:55.440
<v Speaker 15>you know. And so Hunter honestly has changed my approach

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<v Speaker 15>to my craft.

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00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I have to be very official with it.

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<v Speaker 15>I have to do a lot of prep in the

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<v Speaker 15>wee hours, early mornings, late nights. But when I come home,

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<v Speaker 15>he wants dinner and he wants to play, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 15>I think it's a blessing because he helps me find

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<v Speaker 15>those moments of levity.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that so much, and I love Smoke, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love you in it.

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<v Speaker 1>You are amazing, Journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank Thank you.

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00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for everybody to see Smoke exclusively on

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<v Speaker 1>Apple TV plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, appreciate the love. Of course, have a great

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<v Speaker 2>day you too. Thank you. Journey Smoley. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next and final guest for this episode, Taron Egerton.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this man, Golden Globe, Winner, rocket Man, Kingsman,

892
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 1>sometimes Mustache Icon, Robin Hood Sing, Tetris, Legend, Billionaire Boys Club,

893
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and so much more. And I love everything he's done.

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00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 1>He is one of my favorite actors. In Smoke, He's

895
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<v Speaker 1>playing a man who's moral compass is flexible, so we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about diving into that darkness and so much more.

897
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<v Speaker 1>Here he is for the first time on Pop Culture Weekly.

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<v Speaker 1>Tarn Egerton, thank you so much for talking with me, Taren,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Likewise, thanks Kyle Hayden.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. Thank you man. First of all, I

902
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:32.559
<v Speaker 1>love your work, Tetris and Eddie the Eagle, rocket Man

903
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>A Rocketman's one of my favorite films ever. I can

904
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<v Speaker 1>Blackbird and now Smoke. What drew you to doing Smoke?

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00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>So you know, when.

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<v Speaker 16>A writer like Dennis likes you, you know you don't

907
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 16>pass up on the opportunity to work with him again.

908
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 16>So I was drawn to it because well, I knew

909
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 16>what the character was in a nutshell, because it's based

910
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 16>on a true story. But I also knew that to

911
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 16>have the opportunity to have a second outing with Dennis

912
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.800
<v Speaker 16>after Blackbird was just a really one of those opportunities

913
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 16>that you just can't pass up on. I'd so loved

914
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 16>making that show and playing Jimmy and Blackbird alongside Paul,

915
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 16>who played Larry. Was there just a really extraordinary creative

916
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 16>moment for me in it, and the show remains something

917
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 16>that I really am fiercely proud of. So when Dennis says,

918
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 16>you know, hey, do you want to come and tell

919
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 16>another story with me, It's like, yeah, well, you know,

920
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 16>sign me up.

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00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 1>And it was great, you.

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<v Speaker 16>Know, I think as well, To be completely honest, I

923
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 16>suspect Dennis had I loved doing Blackbird, as I've said,

924
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 16>but you know, a part of me, I think always

925
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:55.800
<v Speaker 16>was watching what Paul was doing with some if not envy,

926
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.480
<v Speaker 16>you know, a mixture of admiration and desire, you know,

927
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.320
<v Speaker 16>And I think think Dennis, to his credit, maybe he

928
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.920
<v Speaker 16>saw that on some level, and I think he recognized

929
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 16>this show smoke as an opportunity for me to maybe

930
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 16>have a go at doing something a little nearer to that,

931
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:19.199
<v Speaker 16>you know, and play the weird guy for you.

932
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<v Speaker 1>You're also an EP on this, uh, you know, you're

933
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>an executive producer? Why why this project?

934
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 10>So?

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<v Speaker 16>I think for me, the the you know, I suppose

937
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:43.119
<v Speaker 16>when there's a project where my involvement is feels like

938
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 16>it is broader than just the job of an actor

939
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.960
<v Speaker 16>stepping on set, I say, just you know, I think

940
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 16>it's a I suppose it just feels like a reflection

941
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:00.079
<v Speaker 16>of my involvement in things behind the scenes. And it

942
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 16>tends to be, you know, when I ask to be

943
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 16>a producer on something, or I'm approached to be a

944
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.400
<v Speaker 16>producer on something, it's it's normally those things where I

945
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 16>feel specially excited about it creatively, you know. And it's

946
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 16>always a lovely, lovely thing when you're allowed that opportunity.

947
00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 16>But I don't always ask and I'm not always offered,

948
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.880
<v Speaker 16>And I suppose it's a reflection in some senses of

949
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 16>not my investment, but my involvement.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, And I want to thank you so

952
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.639
<v Speaker 1>much for speaking with me. I can't wait for everybody

953
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 1>to see this, and I have a feeling that we'll

954
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<v Speaker 1>end up seeing you at the Emmys again. So so congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's lovely of you to say.

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<v Speaker 16>It might be a little early for congratulations, but I

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00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 16>appreciate the sentiment.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, of course, Daron.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great day you too, mate, Thanks for your time.

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00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Taron Egerton. Love him.

961
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I love that he joined us on Pop Culture Weekly,

962
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And I love Smoke, which is on Apple TV Plus

963
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.880
<v Speaker 1>right now, and I'm telling you it is really really,

964
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.159
<v Speaker 1>really really really good. So watch it, let's talk about it,

965
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, that's all I got, So all right,

966
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>let me know what you think of this episode. Hit

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00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.159
<v Speaker 1>me up on socials and let's talk countdown Smoke or

968
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969
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971
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Or go to my site podcast dot Popcultureweekly dot com

972
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and there's a voicemail button on every page.

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<v Speaker 2>You might just be featured on the show. All right, We're.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on the fourth for an all star special celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>a Capital fourth, live from the West Lawn of the

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00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.039
<v Speaker 1>US Capitol in Washington. DC.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see you. Then, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>We thank you for listening to pop Culture Weekly.

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<v Speaker 3>Here all the latest at popcultureweekly dot com.

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<v Speaker 10>Taron Niggerton, Eric Dave, and Jansenakles. How at this becomes

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<v Speaker 10>such a dreamy episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know.
