Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.
Speaker 2: And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.
Speaker 3: April third, two thousand and four, Laucine, Kansas, While attending
Speaker 3: a party at a farmhouse, twenty three year old Alonso
Speaker 3: Brooks vanishes without a trace, and his body is discovered
Speaker 3: on the banks of a nearby creek. Nearly one month later, well,
Speaker 3: a forensic pathologist is unable to determine Alonzo's exact cause
Speaker 3: of death, rumors start circulating that he was a victim
Speaker 3: of a hate crime before his body was placed at
Speaker 3: that location. In twenty twenty one, after Alonzo's body is
Speaker 3: exhumed and given a new autopsy, it is announced that
Speaker 3: his death has officially been reclassified as a homicide, but
Speaker 3: there are still no conclusive answers about how he was killed.
Speaker 1: After that, the path went Chile. So this week we're
Speaker 1: going to be exploring a case which was featured on
Speaker 1: the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries, the two thousand and
Speaker 1: four Unexplained Death of Alonzo Brooks, or I guess we
Speaker 1: can now officially call it the Murder of Alonzo Brooks.
Speaker 1: This is the story of the young man who went
Speaker 1: missing after attending a party at a farmhouse in rural Kansas,
Speaker 1: before his body was discovered on the banks of a
Speaker 1: nearby creek nearly one month later. While Alonzo's exact cause
Speaker 1: of death cannot be determined, there was no direct evidence
Speaker 1: of foul play, but since Alonzo was one of the
Speaker 1: only persons of color attending this party in a predominantly
Speaker 1: white area, the authorities did explore the possibility that he
Speaker 1: was the victim of a hate crime. There was also
Speaker 1: some controversy over the fact that the area where Alonzo's
Speaker 1: body was found had been extensively searched during the twenty
Speaker 1: seven day period he was missing, leading to speculation that
Speaker 1: someone planted his body there at a later time. It's
Speaker 1: now been over five years since the Unsolved Mysteries Netflix
Speaker 1: reboot was launched, and a number of their episodes have
Speaker 1: featured cases where a victim's death was officially ruled to
Speaker 1: be a suicide or an accident, but their loved ones
Speaker 1: were certain that they had been murdered and were seeking justice.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest criticisms the reboot has received is
Speaker 1: that it has often been accused of twisting its narratives
Speaker 1: and leaving out key details about these stories which do
Speaker 1: point towards the death being suicide or an accident after all. However,
Speaker 1: the Alonzo Brooks case may be the exception to this,
Speaker 1: because shortly after the Unsolved Mysteries episode aired, his body
Speaker 1: was exhumed for a new autopsy and new evidence was uncovered,
Speaker 1: which led the authorities to officially reclaimed sify his death
Speaker 1: as a homicide. Of course, this took place just over
Speaker 1: four years ago, and there have not been any new
Speaker 1: developments in the investigation since then, but at the very least,
Speaker 1: we now know that there is an actual crime to
Speaker 1: solve and a perpetrator or perpetrators to bring to justice.
Speaker 1: The details of how Alonso was killed and how his
Speaker 1: body wound up on the banks of that creek are
Speaker 1: still unclear, so we're going to have a lot to
Speaker 1: analyze on this episode.
Speaker 2: This is so interesting, especially when you talk about the
Speaker 2: fact that there was a twenty seven day period that
Speaker 2: he was missing and then his body finally shows up
Speaker 2: in a place where it was extensively already searched, and
Speaker 2: he was still ruled a suicide or an unknown death originally.
Speaker 1: Just an accidental death like they thought then he might
Speaker 1: have been intoxicated and passed out, so they did not
Speaker 1: initially suspect foul play, but in recent years they have
Speaker 1: officially reclassified it as a homicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting because if they had extensively searched
Speaker 2: that and this body shows up twenty seven days later,
Speaker 2: and you say, well, I bet he was intoxicated and
Speaker 2: stumbled off and passed away, there would be so many
Speaker 2: question marks of how did he get there and was
Speaker 2: he intoxicated For twenty seven days, I'm assuming people didn't
Speaker 2: really raise suspicion about that search not resulting in a body,
Speaker 2: and then twenty seven days later it just happened to
Speaker 2: turn up. But that seems like an incredible red flag
Speaker 2: to me. That says he didn't just stumble away that night,
Speaker 2: or he would have been easily located.
Speaker 1: As we're going to talk about, this area was extensively searched,
Speaker 1: and it seems like a weird coincidence that when Alonzo's
Speaker 1: family decided to perform their own independent search of the property,
Speaker 1: that's when the body magically turns up, which questions wasn't
Speaker 1: really there the whole time?
Speaker 3: This one really stuck with me when I saw it
Speaker 3: on Unsolved Mysteries, and I think, Ashley, it's going to
Speaker 3: stick with you if you haven't already seen it, just
Speaker 3: because of so many bizarre elements and the fact that
Speaker 3: Alonzo was a black man, and how a lot of
Speaker 3: the people that he was dealing with that evening were white,
Speaker 3: and so there's a race element that kind of underscores
Speaker 3: this entire case.
Speaker 1: Actually, I know you've watched the Unsold Mysteries reboot. Do
Speaker 1: you recall watching this episode?
Speaker 2: I vaguely remember, I think seen an episode. I want
Speaker 2: to say he was wearing a flannel shirt walking up
Speaker 2: to the house party or something like that, But I
Speaker 2: don't remember this case in the specifics. I really don't
Speaker 2: remember a body not being discovered for twenty seven days.
Speaker 2: That alone would raise hairs on the back of my neck.
Speaker 2: But I want to say I might have watched it,
Speaker 2: but I surely don't recall the specifics.
Speaker 3: Our story begins in Kansas in two thousand and four,
Speaker 3: and our central figure is twenty three year old Alonzo Brooks.
Speaker 3: Alonzo was born in Tapika to an African American father,
Speaker 3: Billy Brooks Sor and Mexican mother, Maria Ramirez. He was
Speaker 3: the youngest of their five children and described as being
Speaker 3: a quote surprise baby since he was born many years
Speaker 3: after his brother and three sisters. At some point, Billy
Speaker 3: Senior and Maria got divorced and she got remarried and
Speaker 3: moved to the town of Gardner, while Alonzo remained into
Speaker 3: Peka and worked with his father until he was in
Speaker 3: his early twenties. He ultimately decided to relocate to Gardner
Speaker 3: and move in with his mother and got a job
Speaker 3: as a custodian for a stepfather's janitorial company. Alonzo was
Speaker 3: always described as a home body who loved spending time
Speaker 3: with his family. While he was a bit shy, he
Speaker 3: was also known for being a very nice person who
Speaker 3: got along with everyone and never caused any trouble. On
Speaker 3: the evening of April third, Alonzo and his circle of
Speaker 3: friends made plans to attend a party, as one of
Speaker 3: them was leaving to join the military and they wanted
Speaker 3: to celebrate his departure. The party would take place at
Speaker 3: a rural farmhouse on Highway K one fifty two just
Speaker 3: outside Lacene, a small town located in Lynn County with
Speaker 3: a population of around one thousand, one hundred people. Lucene
Speaker 3: is forty seven miles south of Gardner, so the group
Speaker 3: of friends would travel to party in separate vehicles, and
Speaker 3: since Alonzo did not drive, he hitched a ride with
Speaker 3: a friend named Justin Sprague. Before he left, Alonzo told
Speaker 3: his mother that he would return home later that night,
Speaker 3: but this would turn out to be the last time
Speaker 3: she ever saw him alive. When Alonzo and his friends
Speaker 3: arrived at the farmhouse for the party, they apparently thought
Speaker 3: it would only be a small gathering, but throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the evening, it's believed that upwards of one
Speaker 3: hundred people showed up and trickled in and out of there.
Speaker 3: The attendees appeared to be between the ages of sixteen
Speaker 3: and twenty five, and while Alonzo and his friends recognized
Speaker 3: a few of them from Gardner, they did not know
Speaker 3: most of the people. Regardless, everyone described Alonzo as being
Speaker 3: more outgoing than usual at the party, as he drank
Speaker 3: a lot of alcohol and appeared to be having a
Speaker 3: great time. However, one of Alonzo's friends, Daniel Boone, would
Speaker 3: later describe an incident in which he noticed that Alonzo
Speaker 3: had gotten into an argument with enough partygoer until Daniel
Speaker 3: managed to intervene and pull Alonzo away before the confrontation
Speaker 3: could get physical.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we know a couple things are going on here.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that they do not know
Speaker 2: at this party. Like you said, it's also Alonzo stands out.
Speaker 2: He's the only black man who's there and there's one
Speaker 2: hundred people in this very white farm ruled town. So
Speaker 2: are there people at that party who are not welcoming
Speaker 2: of Alonzo? There's a high possibility of that. Is there
Speaker 2: also the idea that this person who he gets into
Speaker 2: a fuss with wants to get revenge or wants to
Speaker 2: retaliate against him. What do we know about Justin and Daniel.
Speaker 2: They're the two buddies who are mentioned just a second ago.
Speaker 2: Justin drove him and Daniel is the one helping intervene
Speaker 2: in this fight. Did either of them get concerned at
Speaker 2: the end of the night when they couldn't find Alonzo.
Speaker 2: He didn't drive, so they had to know that he
Speaker 2: couldn't get home without them.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to start talking about that momentarily. But Daniel,
Speaker 1: Justin and another friend of theirs named Tyler would be
Speaker 1: interviewed on the Unsolved Mystery segment, and they provide more details,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like there was just kind of a
Speaker 1: horrible miscommunication that happened where they assumed that Alonzo was
Speaker 1: going to get a ride with somebody else, but it
Speaker 1: didn't happen, and then at one point he just seemed
Speaker 1: to vanish without a trace. And that's the big mystery
Speaker 1: is what ultimately happened to him and why did he
Speaker 1: not turn up until twenty seven days later. So, like
Speaker 1: I just said, when the case was featured on Unsolved Mysteries,
Speaker 1: Daniel Foon and another friend of Alonzo's named Tyler Bogard
Speaker 1: agreed to be interviewed. They both discussed leaving the party
Speaker 1: at different points throughout the night and saying goodbye to Alonzo,
Speaker 1: but said there appeared to be nothing out of the
Speaker 1: ordinary when they last saw him. Alonzo was supposed to
Speaker 1: get a ride home with Justin Sprague, but when the
Speaker 1: two friends both ran out of cigarettes, Justin offered to
Speaker 1: step out and drive somewhere in order to buy some.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of dispute about what happened next,
Speaker 1: and we'll discuss this in more detail later on in
Speaker 1: the episode, but for now, here's the version of events
Speaker 1: that Justin shared during his interview on Unsolved Mysteries. According
Speaker 1: to Justin, after he drove away from the farmhouse, he
Speaker 1: took a wrong turn on some gravel roads and got
Speaker 1: lost until he wound up getting his car stock about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes away from Lacine. Since Justin did not want
Speaker 1: to go to the trouble of finding his way back
Speaker 1: to the farmhouse, he used his cell phone to call
Speaker 1: another friend of his at the party named Adam. Justin
Speaker 1: wanted Adam to tell Alonzo that he had got lost,
Speaker 1: and Justin said that he could even hear Alonzo joking
Speaker 1: about it in the background. Justin said that Adam promised
Speaker 1: him he would give Alonzo a ride home, but for
Speaker 1: reasons that are still not entirely clear, this never took place.
Speaker 1: It seems like Alonzo and Adam lost track of each
Speaker 1: other or there may have been a miscommunication of some sort,
Speaker 1: but Adam wound up leaving without him. Media outlets at
Speaker 1: the time reported that a fight took place at the party,
Speaker 1: sometimes between two and three am on the morning of
Speaker 1: April the fourth, though it could not be confirmed if
Speaker 1: Alonzo was involved. In it. They reported that the last
Speaker 1: time a lot was seen with some time between three
Speaker 1: and four am, But what actually happened to him would
Speaker 1: become a major unsaw mystery.
Speaker 2: Do you know if that fight that they described was
Speaker 2: the same one that Daniel Fune would say had happened
Speaker 2: with Alonzo that he had to break up.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because this took place a couple
Speaker 1: hours after Daniel already left, when apparently none of Alonso's
Speaker 1: friends with there, and Alonzo should have been the only
Speaker 1: one still there, but it's unclear if he was nearby
Speaker 1: when this fight took place.
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, And we know that Justin wasn't even at
Speaker 2: the party, so he's excluded from this. Adam is the
Speaker 2: one who says he would take Alonzo home. But we've
Speaker 2: all been at a party where friend says like, now, man,
Speaker 2: leave me, I'm going to hang out some more. No, man,
Speaker 2: I got another guy who will take me home, and
Speaker 2: you leave right against your better judgment. But we're assuming
Speaker 2: all the friends have nothing to do with this since
Speaker 2: they participated. I'm sure they were cleared by police as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we're going to talk about it later
Speaker 1: on that some details about Justin's story would have changed,
Speaker 1: but it does sound like he has a pretty solid
Speaker 1: alibi which shows that he was nowhere near the house
Speaker 1: when Alonzo disappeared. And even though these friends have gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism on social media and read it
Speaker 1: for leaving Alonzo behind, I do not believe they were
Speaker 1: covering anything up more involved than his death. And I
Speaker 1: think they genuinely have no idea what happened to him.
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when stories change, we have to
Speaker 3: question why. And it's not always because they're hiding some
Speaker 3: kind of guilty knowledge. I think it's sometimes, in maybe
Speaker 3: the case of Justin here that he received criticism or
Speaker 3: people had come up with points like places in his
Speaker 3: story where they're trying to poke holes, and so he's
Speaker 3: trying to assuage any objections and edit his story ever
Speaker 3: so slightly, and that could come off as being deceptive
Speaker 3: when he's just trying to appear a certain way when
Speaker 3: he thinks that people are saying like, oh, he could
Speaker 3: be guilty or he could have something to do with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what happened, because as we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about, he was probably driving drunk that
Speaker 1: night and doing stuff he wasn't supposed to, so I
Speaker 1: can see him being motivated to change his story a
Speaker 1: bit to pain himself in the best possible light, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that he was complicit in Alonzo's death.
Speaker 3: So later that morning, one of Alonzo's friends called his
Speaker 3: residence and spoke to his mother. Maria had assumed that
Speaker 3: Alonzo returned home in the middle of the night, but
Speaker 3: when she checked his room, she discovered that Alonzo was
Speaker 3: not there and his bed had clearly not been slept in.
Speaker 3: Alonzo's friend suggested that he might have spent the night
Speaker 3: at someone else's house, but Maria immediately became concerned, since
Speaker 3: he was out of character for him to do this
Speaker 3: without contacting her. When Maria called Alonzo's other friends, she
Speaker 3: could not find anyone who could confirm having given him
Speaker 3: a ride from the party, and no one seemed to
Speaker 3: know where he was. This prompted Justin and some of
Speaker 3: Alonzo's other friends to drive back to Lacine. They were
Speaker 3: also joined by Rodney English, a childhood friend of Alonzo's
Speaker 3: from Topeka who had not attended the party who was
Speaker 3: concerned about his absence. They proceeded to perform a search
Speaker 3: of the area surrounding the farmhouse, but could not find
Speaker 3: any trace of Alonzo. A long driveway separated the house
Speaker 3: from the highway, and while looking around there, Rodney came
Speaker 3: across Alonzo's hat and one of his boots in the
Speaker 3: ditch across the road. It wasn't long before Rodney found
Speaker 3: Alonzo's other boot in a ditch on the opposite side
Speaker 3: of the road, several feet away. Since these items were
Speaker 3: lying out in the open, it did not appear that
Speaker 3: anyone had made an attempt to conceal them, and Rodney
Speaker 3: suspected that they were thrown from a moving vehicle. While
Speaker 3: Rodney and the rust of Alonzo's friends attempted to continue
Speaker 3: their search, a man driving an ATV suddenly showed up
Speaker 3: and told them to leave the property. While this was
Speaker 3: going on, Maria attempted to contact the police and file
Speaker 3: a missing person's report for Alonzo, but was told that
Speaker 3: she would have to wait at least forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, that is so frustrating. I totally understand why
Speaker 2: they say that, but it's incredibly upsetting when you think
Speaker 2: about the circumstances here and Maria saying, my son told
Speaker 2: me he was going to be home. He never didn't
Speaker 2: show up. His friends said that he was coming home,
Speaker 2: and he never showed up. And then you find the
Speaker 2: boots scattered in these different places in his hat. I mean,
Speaker 2: could someone be intoxicated and be silly and be in
Speaker 2: the back of someone's truck or something and just throw
Speaker 2: their shoes off. Maybe, But when you look at the
Speaker 2: fact that these boots are dispersed these two different areas
Speaker 2: and his hat's missing, I wonder if that sent off
Speaker 2: alarm belts automatically. My first default would not be some
Speaker 2: intoxicated kid just got rid of these things. Where's he
Speaker 2: going to walk without his boots? How's he going to
Speaker 2: get anywhere without his shoes on? Because if you're in
Speaker 2: rural farmland, you're sure not wanting to walk without shoes
Speaker 2: for miles or to get somewhere. I would have immediately said,
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem right. They're in different.
Speaker 1: Location, yeah, exactly, because I could see someone becoming drunk
Speaker 1: enough to toss off their boots just as a lark.
Speaker 1: But obviously they're not going to go very far without
Speaker 1: them walking. So it makes you think either he left
Speaker 1: in a vehicle with someone else. But if that's the
Speaker 1: case where is he because he doesn't really know anyone
Speaker 1: from the area, and none of his friends gave him
Speaker 1: a ride home, so that's why they were immediately concerned
Speaker 1: that it was probably someone else who tossed them from
Speaker 1: a moving vehicle to dispose of evidence. On April the fifth,
Speaker 1: Alonzo's brother Billy Brooks Junior and sister in law Cindy
Speaker 1: decided to travel to the farmhouse in Lacene. They learned
Speaker 1: that the house was a rental and the tenants were
Speaker 1: four men in their twenties who were not from the area,
Speaker 1: but the place was empty when Billy and Cindy arrived.
Speaker 1: The identities of these four men have never been released publicly,
Speaker 1: but it's been reported that they were evicted from the
Speaker 1: house a short time after Alonzo went missing. Billy and
Speaker 1: Cindy tried searching through Lacene and the surrounding area for Alonzo,
Speaker 1: but cannot find him. No notice that they seemed to
Speaker 1: draw suspicious looks from the local residents. They finally decided
Speaker 1: to travel to nearby Mound City in order to pay
Speaker 1: a visit to the Lynn County Sheriff's office. Billy and
Speaker 1: Cindy both spoke with Sheriff Marvin Stites, who did not
Speaker 1: seem overly concerned about Alonzo's disappearance and said that he
Speaker 1: was probably just quote unquote out walking around. Well. Needless
Speaker 1: to say, Billy and Cindy did not believe this, since
Speaker 1: both of Alonzo's boots were found lying in separate ditches,
Speaker 1: and he had recently suffered an ankle injury while playing basketball,
Speaker 1: which made it difficult for him to walk long distances.
Speaker 1: In spite of this, the sheriff's office did eventually agree
Speaker 1: to open a missing person's investigation for Alonso, and on
Speaker 1: April the seventh, they turned the case over to the
Speaker 1: Kansas Bureau of Investigation aka the KBI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look here and you have this idea
Speaker 2: that he had recently suffered this ankle injury. So in
Speaker 2: addition to you're in a place you don't know, you're
Speaker 2: in a rural area. This isn't like, oh, we have
Speaker 2: these nice sidewalks, you know, and these really lovely places
Speaker 2: to walk. No, he is miles away from where he's
Speaker 2: supposed to be, he doesn't know anybody there, and he
Speaker 2: has an injury, and you're telling me that this is
Speaker 2: just some drunk kiddo that stumbles away and gets lost
Speaker 2: and passes away because of it. Immediately it says, that's
Speaker 2: not what happened. I don't like the idea that race
Speaker 2: could play a role here. You have people who are
Speaker 2: ignorant and drinking and doing things that you know puts
Speaker 2: you in a heightened level. He's already getting into fusses
Speaker 2: with people at this party that he does not know.
Speaker 2: And again with drug with you know, alcohol and maybe
Speaker 2: drugs being present. What does that do and how does
Speaker 2: that amp up people to feel pretty empowered to do
Speaker 2: whatever they want, especially when Alonzo's friends leave him and
Speaker 2: he's isolated and alone.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is Alonso is a stranger. He's
Speaker 1: not from the area, so the majority of people at
Speaker 1: that party wouldn't have known him before and may have
Speaker 1: just had an issue with the fact that a black
Speaker 1: man showed up there. And if he doesn't have his
Speaker 1: friends around to protect him, I'm sure the thinking that
Speaker 1: he could have gotten himself into some trouble if he
Speaker 1: was alone.
Speaker 3: And correct me if I'm wrong, Robin, And maybe we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about this later. But wasn't it in
Speaker 3: the original? Not the original? It's the reboot of Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 3: But when they talked about the boots, wasn't a big
Speaker 3: deal made about the fact that the boots were found
Speaker 3: because I think his mom or somebody else had said
Speaker 3: something along the lines of these are the only footwear
Speaker 3: that he wears. He even plays basketball in these boots.
Speaker 1: They might have. I don't recall that specific thing, but
Speaker 1: apparently they were very distinct. So they're thinking to themselves
Speaker 1: that if he's just leaving these laying around in a
Speaker 1: rural area, that's just not something that he would do.
Speaker 1: So that's why the instantly thought that something bad might
Speaker 1: happen to him.
Speaker 3: Well, rumors started circulating throughout the area that Alonzo's disappearance
Speaker 3: might have been race related, as Lucine was a predominantly
Speaker 3: white area and Alonzo was only one of three persons
Speaker 3: of color who had attended the party that night. Some
Speaker 3: witnesses would claim that after Alonzo's friends left the party,
Speaker 3: a number of racial slurs and threats started getting tossed around.
Speaker 3: Alonzo was supposedly seen flirting with a white girl, which
Speaker 3: may have escalated some tensions, and one witness would claim
Speaker 3: they overheard someone say that Alonzo quote won't get out
Speaker 3: of here alive. Even though Alonzo was known for being
Speaker 3: an easygoing guy, his friends believed that he was capable
Speaker 3: of getting mad and starting a fight if someone used
Speaker 3: a racial slur in his presence. For this reason, the
Speaker 3: KBI brought in the FBI to assist them with their
Speaker 3: investigation and look into the possibility that Alonzo may have
Speaker 3: been the victim of a hate crime. They conducted hundreds
Speaker 3: of interviews with witnesses who attended the party and extensively
Speaker 3: questioned Alonzo's friends who went there with him that night.
Speaker 2: So for me, when you talk about the friends, like
Speaker 2: you said they had left, at that point, there was
Speaker 2: confirmation that these friends had been in communication with one
Speaker 2: another that they had left. I was originally suspicious when
Speaker 2: Justin says he turned the wrong way, got lost and stuck.
Speaker 2: But then when you said that he called back and
Speaker 2: asked for people to help organize Alonzo getting home, and
Speaker 2: he could even hear Alonzo being silly in the background.
Speaker 2: It really relieved a lot of worry I had about
Speaker 2: Justin being involved. And immediately all of the friends side
Speaker 2: with Maria and they say we need to go back
Speaker 2: and help you look for him. So there's no attempt
Speaker 2: to separate themselves from Alonso, there's no attempt to deny
Speaker 2: what happened. There, seeming to be pretty forthcoming and wanting
Speaker 2: to be a part of helping find him as well.
Speaker 1: The issue with a lot of the information we just
Speaker 1: shared is that it does sound like it's hearsay, because
Speaker 1: the only people who agreed to be interviewed on Unsolved
Speaker 1: Mysteries were Alonzo's friends, who left before a lot of
Speaker 1: these alleged incidents took place. But I yet to see
Speaker 1: any interviews where someone has gone on the record and
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, I saw someone use a racial slur
Speaker 1: with Alonzo, or I saw Alonzo flirting with a white girl.
Speaker 1: So even though we're hearing a lot of this information thirdhand,
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure if it's true or if it's verified,
Speaker 1: and if these incidents actually happened. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the most frustrating elements of this case is that we
Speaker 1: really don't have too many first hand accounts of what
Speaker 1: happened to Alonzo after his friends left the party.
Speaker 2: And because there is racial tension, or there is a
Speaker 2: potential or illusion that there could have been racial tension,
Speaker 2: there also could have been assumptions made by people that
Speaker 2: became these truths that they start to tell as well,
Speaker 2: because they're thinking, like, what could have motivated this, what
Speaker 2: could have driven this? And if race becomes part of
Speaker 2: the conversation, I could see people recalling things that maybe
Speaker 2: didn't even happen or didn't happen at that specific event,
Speaker 2: and feeling like those were factual.
Speaker 1: A large search effert was performed at the area, and
Speaker 1: even though the farmhouse was mostly surrounded by fields, there
Speaker 1: was also a large stream of water called Mill Creek
Speaker 1: located about two hundred and fifty feet away. On April
Speaker 1: the twelfth, the Lee's Summit Underwater Rescue and Recovery team
Speaker 1: were brought into search the creek as the water was
Speaker 1: only about three feet deep, but they failed to turn
Speaker 1: up any trace of Alonzo. While this was going on,
Speaker 1: the Brooks family constantly phoned the Lynn County Sheriff's office
Speaker 1: for updates, but were eventually told to stop contacting them
Speaker 1: because they were busy quote unquote working on things. Since
Speaker 1: the search effort was coming up empty, the Brooks family
Speaker 1: wanted to perform their own search of the property surrounding
Speaker 1: the farmhouse, but After the request was repeatedly denied for weeks,
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Tits finally granted them permission to do so. On
Speaker 1: May the eleventh, twenty seven days after Alonzo was last seen.
Speaker 1: Alonzo's friends and relatives started searching the property alongside around
Speaker 1: fifty volunteers. Well only about a half hour after they started.
Speaker 1: Some of the search volunteers started heading towards a white
Speaker 1: shed on the property, but while cutting through some brush
Speaker 1: in order to clear a path, they suddenly came across
Speaker 1: Alonzo's body on the banks of Middle Creek. It was
Speaker 1: lying on top of a pile of debris, and aside
Speaker 1: from his missing boots, Alonzo was fully clothed. Investigators from
Speaker 1: the KBI and the FBI were quickly summoned to the
Speaker 1: scene to recover his body.
Speaker 2: Okay, two questions. Do we know if he was wearing
Speaker 2: the same clothes that he was wearing the night.
Speaker 1: Of the party? I think so, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2: And then when you look at this idea that they
Speaker 2: had to cut down brush before they found him. Originally
Speaker 2: we said that this had been extensively searched. If they're
Speaker 2: having to cut brush down, do you think that he
Speaker 2: was just well placed inside that brush and that's why
Speaker 2: nobody found him.
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure because I just made mention of
Speaker 1: the Least Summit Underwater Rescue and Recovery team who searched
Speaker 1: this creek, and they were the ones who are adamant
Speaker 1: that if Alonzo's body had been there the entire time,
Speaker 1: they believed that they would have found it the first
Speaker 1: time around. And I know that people miss bodies during
Speaker 1: search efforts all the time, but this wasn't a particularly
Speaker 1: big creek and it was only like three feet worth
Speaker 1: of water, And because this was a professional search team,
Speaker 1: I do find questionable that they would have missed Alonzo's body.
Speaker 1: And it just seems weird to me that once Alonzo's
Speaker 1: family started performing their own search, they find them within
Speaker 1: a half hour.
Speaker 2: Really interesting fun fact. I have two friends that have
Speaker 2: served on the Least Summit Underwater Recovery Team before. They
Speaker 2: are deep sea divers and they're really big in a
Speaker 2: scuba diving and things like that, and so when they
Speaker 2: got the opportunity, they actually served on it for several years.
Speaker 2: So they do amazing work and it's a lot of
Speaker 2: volunteers who are doing incredible things and helping a lot
Speaker 2: of families, so very very interesting.
Speaker 3: Alonzo's autopsy would be performed by doctor Eric Mitchell, a
Speaker 3: forensic pathologist who was Douglas County's coroner at the time.
Speaker 3: Doctor Mitchell was unable to determine Alonzo's exact cause of death,
Speaker 3: as his post mortem examination turned up no broken bones
Speaker 3: or fractures, no penetrating injuries, no sign of blunt force trauma,
Speaker 3: and no gunshot or stab wounds. Mitchell could not rule
Speaker 3: out the possible ability that strangulation may have occurred, as
Speaker 3: the soft tissues of Alonzo's neck had been decomposed and
Speaker 3: damaged by animals and insects, and even though there was
Speaker 3: no water in Alonzo's lungs, Mitchell could not completely dismiss
Speaker 3: the idea that he drowned, but since there was no
Speaker 3: direct evidence of foul play, Alonzo's cause of death was
Speaker 3: officially ruled to be undetermined. Since Alonzo had been drinking
Speaker 3: at the party, one potential theory was that he became
Speaker 3: so intoxicated that he wandered away from the farmhouse towards
Speaker 3: Middle Creek before he passed out and died of exposure.
Speaker 3: While Mitchell could not say with any certainty that Alonzo's
Speaker 3: death was accidental, he did believe that the evidence found
Speaker 3: on his body was consistent with having been out there
Speaker 3: on the banks of the creek for nearly a month. Well,
Speaker 3: Alonzo's loved ones had a hard time believing that, as
Speaker 3: he only had a mild level of decomposition on his body,
Speaker 3: so it did not appear that he'd been out in
Speaker 3: the elements for twenty seven days. Mitchell theorized that Alonzo
Speaker 3: could have wound up in Middle Creek and was trapped
Speaker 3: under water in a clog of branches and other debris
Speaker 3: before a rainstorm caused the water levels to rise and
Speaker 3: his body was jarred loose and floated towards the bank
Speaker 3: where he was found. However, Alonzo's family did not think
Speaker 3: he was underwater for an extended period of time, as
Speaker 3: his body did not appear to be bloated and his
Speaker 3: skin complexion looked normal. Furthermore, Alonzo also had a number
Speaker 3: of personal items on him, such as a billfold, wallet,
Speaker 3: and a bandana, which showed no signs of water damage.
Speaker 3: The Lee's Summit Underwater Rescue and Recovery team were also
Speaker 3: certain that they would not have missed Alonzo's body during
Speaker 3: their initial search of Middle Creek, since the water was
Speaker 3: only a few feet deep. The fury provided by Alonzo's
Speaker 3: brother Billy, is that when Sheriff's sites gave permission for
Speaker 3: their family to perform their own search of the property,
Speaker 3: he may have told other people about it, and word
Speaker 3: eventually got back to those who were responded for Alonzo's death.
Speaker 3: They then responded by placing Alonzo's body on the banks
Speaker 3: of Middle Creek for his family to find. Indeed, one
Speaker 3: unconfirmed rumor, which is always circulated throughout the community is
Speaker 3: that Alonzo's body was kept inside a freezer during a
Speaker 3: twenty seven day window he was missing, which is why
Speaker 3: his body only had mild decomposition when it was discovered.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was going to ask that I was
Speaker 2: going to ask, is there a way that he could
Speaker 2: have been stored somewhere for twenty seven days? Because I
Speaker 2: find it really really interesting that when they find his body,
Speaker 2: there aren't evidence signs of abuse to the body. There's
Speaker 2: no significant bruising, there's no lacerations, there's no gunshot wound.
Speaker 2: I was really expecting you to tell me that there
Speaker 2: were some kind of injuries to his body, and they
Speaker 2: justified it like he fell or something. But he looked
Speaker 2: pretty pristine. And I'm wondering I don't know this. I
Speaker 2: should probably, but if you did freeze a body instantly
Speaker 2: after you killed, it, would bruising and everything have already
Speaker 2: set in? Or would that stop? Would the blood freeze
Speaker 2: so quickly that it couldn't saturate the skin or color
Speaker 2: the skin?
Speaker 3: I don't think you'd get like liver mortis and stuff,
Speaker 3: where the blood settles in a certain place. If it
Speaker 3: freezes quickly enough, you would think that the blood would
Speaker 3: freeze where it is. So if it's all in going
Speaker 3: through the veins at that point, somebody's put in there.
Speaker 3: I guess it just depends how quickly it freezes. Okay,
Speaker 3: so body is put in there, and then it's in
Speaker 3: there for twenty seven days in a freezer. You then
Speaker 3: take out the body and the body has mild decomposition.
Speaker 3: But then, because it had been frozen for that time,
Speaker 3: decomposition should hasten right Like it would catch up to
Speaker 3: the point where it should be once it's been out
Speaker 3: in the elements for a while, would it not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it would have rapid cell interioration and stuff
Speaker 2: like that and damage after it rewarmed. Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: think so too, because there's still damage to the quality
Speaker 2: of the tissu shoes and things into the cell formations.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's just the bruising might even
Speaker 2: come back or something to that effect, because it would
Speaker 2: have deep tissue bruising anyway.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really thought, as i'all were describing it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what if he was frozen? But I would think that
Speaker 2: a pathologist could go through and look at that and
Speaker 2: maybe tell very interesting.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Well, that's the thing is, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about this later. But they gave Alonzo
Speaker 1: another autopsy a couple of years ago after his body
Speaker 1: was exhumed, which made them change the ruling, but they've
Speaker 1: been very secretive on what exact evidence they found. I
Speaker 1: was going to talk about doctor Mitchell as a doctor
Speaker 1: who has kind of questionable qualifications, so I could see
Speaker 1: him missing something during the original autopsy. So I do
Speaker 1: wonder after doing this second autopsy, if they did find
Speaker 1: some evidence which made them lean towards the idea that
Speaker 1: he could have been in a freezer for twenty seven days, is.
Speaker 2: It as bad as doctor Malick.
Speaker 1: No, nobody as bad as doctor Malick. Don't worry. He
Speaker 1: didn't say that Alonzo smoked twenty marijuana cigarettes, so we're
Speaker 1: free from that at least.
Speaker 2: Or three self inflicted gunshot wounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly perfect.
Speaker 3: I thought of you, Robin. I heard the other day
Speaker 3: my husband was reading me something about how somebody in
Speaker 3: Russia had I guess, somebody who'd probably likely vne against
Speaker 3: Putin or whatever, had wound up dead and they were
Speaker 3: saying that he was decapitated, and they were saying that
Speaker 3: it was suicide.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sounds like.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I'm like, it is doctor Malick over there.
Speaker 1: Maybe he faked his own death. That is working for
Speaker 1: Russia now, because he did do one where someone was
Speaker 1: found with his head missing, and he said that he
Speaker 1: died of an ulcer or something like that, and the
Speaker 1: dog ate his head, so that's why it was missing.
Speaker 1: And I wish I was joking when I said that.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought of. When I thought about, Hi'm like,
Speaker 3: it's gotta be famy mel like, maybe he's a double agent.
Speaker 1: Yeah I never know, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And no that guys, anyone listening, We're not laughing at
Speaker 2: the desk. I promise we're laughing at this doctor who's horrific.
Speaker 2: It's got a laugh or you just wouldn't know what
Speaker 2: to do with yourself.
Speaker 1: So, even though dozens of witnesses who had attended the
Speaker 1: party were interviewed by law enforcement, none of them provided
Speaker 1: information that led the investigation any closer to resolution, and
Speaker 1: some of these witnesses reportedly lawyered up before they could
Speaker 1: be questioned and declined to take polygraph tests. The case
Speaker 1: would remain dormant until June of twenty nineteen, when the
Speaker 1: KBI announced that they were unable to turn up any
Speaker 1: evidence that Alonzo had been the victim of a crime,
Speaker 1: so they were closing the investigation into his death. But
Speaker 1: one year later, on June the eleventh, twenty twenty, it
Speaker 1: was publicly announced that the FBI, the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: and the United States Attorney's Office had reopened the investigation
Speaker 1: and were still exploring the possibility that Alonzo had been
Speaker 1: the victim of a hate crime. A one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars reward was now being offered for information which led
Speaker 1: to the arrest and conviction of the individual responsible for
Speaker 1: Alonzo's death. According to Stephen McAllister, the US Attorney for
Speaker 1: the District of Kansas, the case had been brought to
Speaker 1: their attention by Unsolved Mysteries, who were about to launch
Speaker 1: a reboot of their show on Netflix. During an interview
Speaker 1: with Entertainment Weekly, one of the show's co creators, Terry
Speaker 1: dun Muir, confirmed that Alonzo's story had been on the
Speaker 1: radar since twenty seventeen and they were always hoping to
Speaker 1: feature it once they relaunched. While in July, the first
Speaker 1: the Unsolved Mysteries reboot finally dropped on Netflix, and Alonzo's
Speaker 1: episode was titled No Ride Home. As a result, a
Speaker 1: number of new tips came in and were passed on
Speaker 1: to the FBI. One new piece of information, which was
Speaker 1: later shared publicly, is that a second party had taken
Speaker 1: place in l Scene on the night Alonzo went missing.
Speaker 1: When a fight broke out there, a number of the
Speaker 1: attendees wound up leaving and heading over to the party
Speaker 1: at the Farmhouse. So investigators were hoping that anyone who
Speaker 1: attended both parties might have useful information and would come forward.
Speaker 2: And did they were. They Some of the people who
Speaker 2: called in and gave some of the new tips that
Speaker 2: hit when Unsolved Mysteries as.
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure unfortunately. I mean, they just said
Speaker 1: that they got tips, but I know that a lot
Speaker 1: of the time they don't like to share what a
Speaker 1: lot of these tips are unless they lead to a
Speaker 1: new development to the investigation. So still kind of a mystery.
Speaker 3: Just over three weeks after the release of the Unsolved
Speaker 3: Mysteries episode, the FBI had Alonzo's body exhumed and transported
Speaker 3: to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for a new
Speaker 3: autopsy from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner. In April twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, the FBI announced that this autopsy had allowed
Speaker 3: them to conclusively determine that Alonzo's death was not an accident.
Speaker 3: While they've been very secretive, as Robin mentioned about specific details,
Speaker 3: they did state this new examination revealed that Alonzo had
Speaker 3: injuries to his body which were quote inconsistent with normal
Speaker 3: patterns of decomposition. Therefore, his death was officially reclassified as
Speaker 3: a homicide. Timothy Langan, the Special Agent in charge of
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Branch of the FBI, stated, quote, we
Speaker 3: remained dedicated to uncovering the truth surrounding the murder of
Speaker 3: Alonzo Brooks and ensuring those responsible are held accountable for
Speaker 3: their actions. While the FBI has launched a new investigation
Speaker 3: into Alonzo's death, no new developments have been publicly released
Speaker 3: during these past four years, so the circumstances of how
Speaker 3: he was killed continue to remain an unsolved mystery.
Speaker 1: So I guess you could say the path went Chile.
Speaker 2: Do you guys think that the original autopsy just overlooked
Speaker 2: these things or do you think that some of the
Speaker 2: tips in information that came in gave guidance as to
Speaker 2: where to look or what to look for, and it
Speaker 2: just created more of a information basis for a new
Speaker 2: autopsy to reveal a different outcome. Because it takes a
Speaker 2: lot to change an original autopsy report. There's a very
Speaker 2: huge hesitation for any law enforcement agency to say we're
Speaker 2: going to change it to a homicide not undetermined, but
Speaker 2: to a homicide. So if it was that clear, was
Speaker 2: it just overlooked or was it it kind of impossible
Speaker 2: to find without details that perhaps some of these tips
Speaker 2: led to.
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of both. I think that
Speaker 1: doctor Mitchell may have missed something during the original autopsy.
Speaker 1: And I'll reveal my new theory in our next episode.
Speaker 1: But I kind of have my own thoughts about what
Speaker 1: kind of new injury they discovered on Alonso that they
Speaker 1: might have missed the first time around. And I do
Speaker 1: think that it is a possibility that maybe some new
Speaker 1: tips came in, like they could have been nothing more
Speaker 1: than hearsay or unverified rumors about what happened to them,
Speaker 1: but it could have compelled the FBI to decide, we're
Speaker 1: going to perform a new autopsy and we're going to
Speaker 1: look for this specific injury, and that might be what
Speaker 1: they discovered to make them change the ruling and finally
Speaker 1: decide that yes, he was the victim of a homicide.
Speaker 1: So I still remember when the episode about this story
Speaker 1: dropped on Netflix and Unsaw Mysteries fans were instantly comparing
Speaker 1: it to one of the most memory cases from the
Speaker 1: original series, and that's the unexplained nineteen eighty one death
Speaker 1: of Kurt Sova. As you probably know, that story has
Speaker 1: also been featured on The Trail Went Cold and the
Speaker 1: Pathwent Chili and involved a seventeen year old kid who
Speaker 1: went missing while attending a party until his body was
Speaker 1: discovered in a nearby vacant lot five days later. Even
Speaker 1: though Kurt had supposedly been drinking a lot of alcohol
Speaker 1: in then I was last seen alive, the medical examiner
Speaker 1: was unable to determine an exact cause of death. This
Speaker 1: lot had also been searched on a previous occasion. During
Speaker 1: the five day window, Kurt was missing and his body
Speaker 1: was not there, so of course there was speculation that
Speaker 1: whoever was involved in Kurt's death planted him at that
Speaker 1: location to be found. Well, I'm sure you can already
Speaker 1: see the parallels with the Alonzo Brooks case, though I'd
Speaker 1: say this one is even more puzzling. Instead of five days,
Speaker 1: Alonzo had been missing twenty seven days before he was found,
Speaker 1: and his body was at a location which had been
Speaker 1: extensively searched by numerous law enforces agencies. And while the
Speaker 1: circumstances of how Kurt Sooba died are still a mystery,
Speaker 1: the consensus seems to be that it was accidental and
Speaker 1: possibly the result of something like alcohol poisoning. So I
Speaker 1: doubt that a homicide took place. However, that's certainly not
Speaker 1: the case with Alonzo Brooks, who was a person of
Speaker 1: color who went missing and was found dead in a
Speaker 1: predominantly white area that seems to have a reputation for
Speaker 1: racism among its residents. Now that it's officially been confirmed
Speaker 1: that foul play took place, there has been speculation that
Speaker 1: he was the victim of a hate crime. As you
Speaker 1: can imagine, this theory picked up a lot of steam because,
Speaker 1: by pure coincidence, the Unsaw Mysteries episode happened to drop
Speaker 1: just over a month after the murder of George Floyd, so,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, racial tensions were running high in
Speaker 1: the United States at that time. Even though the Kansas
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation had closed Alonzo's case in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: the FBI and the Department of Justice still felt it
Speaker 1: was worth pursuing, and I fight it interesting that they
Speaker 1: publicly announced that they were investigating his death as a
Speaker 1: hate crime a few weeks before the Unsolved Mysteries episode
Speaker 1: came out. I'm sure they sensed that there would be
Speaker 1: a strong reaction to the presentation of Alonzo's story and
Speaker 1: wanted to preemptively assure the public that yes, they were
Speaker 1: working on the case and taking it seriously. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: it wasn't long before Alonzo's body was exhumed and given
Speaker 1: a new autopsy which uncovered new evidence to compel the
Speaker 1: authorities to officially reclassify his death as a homicide. All
Speaker 1: we know is that they made this determination based on
Speaker 1: a re examination of injuries on Alonzo's body, But I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of details have been withheld from the
Speaker 1: public and we have no idea what leads, if any
Speaker 1: then investigators may have looked into these past four years.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is that when you look at
Speaker 2: the idea that they reclassified it as a hate crime
Speaker 2: before the Unsolved Mysteries case came out on television, they
Speaker 2: must have had some pretty interesting information because I could
Speaker 2: see this changing big decisions like that, or again going
Speaker 2: back and exhooming the body and looking for something based
Speaker 2: on a tip they received. But to make conclusions like
Speaker 2: that we're investigating this as a hate crime prior to
Speaker 2: getting a renewal of this case and kind of a
Speaker 2: new look at this case is really interesting. Yes, law
Speaker 2: enforcement was looking at it before Unsolved Mysteries aired the episode,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure they got a lot of information, both
Speaker 2: valid and nonsensical, once that aired. So speaks volumes about
Speaker 2: what information they already had before the show, even broadcasts
Speaker 2: this episode, and.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that even though this case did
Speaker 1: get a whole lot of media coverage before Unsolved Mysteries,
Speaker 1: it was like a case I got a lot of
Speaker 1: unverified gossip and rumors online because there are always discussions
Speaker 1: about it on Reddit and various message boards, because it
Speaker 1: was one of those stories that took place in a
Speaker 1: small town where everybody had their own story about what
Speaker 1: they believed happened and would gossip about it. So I
Speaker 1: think law enforcement was aware that once this gets national
Speaker 1: exposure on Netflix, there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: discussion about this and we should definitely take it seriously
Speaker 1: because if we just ignore it, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a backlash. So we should assure the public that we're
Speaker 1: going to give it our full attention.
Speaker 3: So we mentioned in the intro that the biggest criticism
Speaker 3: of the Unsolved Mysteries reboot is that they've covered a
Speaker 3: number of cases involving suspicious suicides or accidental deaths and
Speaker 3: had a tendency to leave out key details which did
Speaker 3: not fit the foul play narrative. Like the original series,
Speaker 3: this reboot could potentially be used as a valuable tool
Speaker 3: to bring a resolution to unsolved crimes, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: really help much when you're focusing on a bunch of
Speaker 3: stories in which there is no actual crime to solve.
Speaker 3: Whenever new episodes have dropped on Netflix, it's become a
Speaker 3: tradition for media outlets to publish articles about the featured
Speaker 3: cases titled quote what unsolved mystery is left out? We've
Speaker 3: seen them publish this type the article for the episode
Speaker 3: on Alonzo Brooks, as the show did leave out some details,
Speaker 3: But to be fair, we haven't found any new information
Speaker 3: during our research which would point towards Alonzo's death being
Speaker 3: an accident or the show giving a dishonest presentation in
Speaker 3: order to fit their narrative. But out of all these
Speaker 3: cases featured on the Unsolved Mysteries reboot, I think the
Speaker 3: death of Alonzo Brooks is Probably Sorry is probably the
Speaker 3: one in which you're going to find the largest amount
Speaker 3: of rumors, gossip, and unconfirmed speculation online. They even acknowledged
Speaker 3: this during the episode and discuss some of the uncorroborated
Speaker 3: theories which have been shared on places like Reddit and
Speaker 3: social media these past two decades. Back in twenty ten,
Speaker 3: a blog called Cold Case Kansas published a post about
Speaker 3: this case, and its comment section is just flush with
Speaker 3: people claiming to be from the Lacine area, who share Lucine,
Speaker 3: from the Lacine area, who've all shared, who have shared
Speaker 3: all the rumors in gossip that have supposedly spread throughout
Speaker 3: the years. This case has often been described as one
Speaker 3: of those small town mysteries in which the entire community
Speaker 3: knows who did it, but a cover up has been
Speaker 3: orchestrated to protect the guilty parties, and the authorities lack
Speaker 3: the necessary evidence to make an arrest.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: One thing the Unsolved Mysteries episode did not do is
Speaker 3: present the names of any potential suspects or persons of interest,
Speaker 3: and other than three of Alonzo's friends, we do not
Speaker 3: know the identities of anyone who hosted or attended the
Speaker 3: party which took place on the night Alonzo disappeared. But
Speaker 3: if you search hard enough online, you can find the
Speaker 3: names of some local residents who are rumored to be
Speaker 3: involved in Alonzo's death. Since their names have never been
Speaker 3: shared by law enforcement, we're not going to repeat them
Speaker 3: on this episode, but I will mention that a number
Speaker 3: of these people hail from a prominent family in the area,
Speaker 3: which is why there have been so many conspiracy theories
Speaker 3: about a cover up. One of the most prevalent rumors
Speaker 3: is that Alonzo's dad occurred because he flirted with a
Speaker 3: young white woman at the party who was a member
Speaker 3: of this family, which may have paid the way for
Speaker 3: a hate crime. During an interview she gave with Dateline,
Speaker 3: Alonzo's mother, Maria Ramirez, stated quote, I'm Mexican and his
Speaker 3: father is black, so he's mixed. They didn't just target
Speaker 3: one race or kill one race, they killed two. He
Speaker 3: was targeted because of the color of his skin.
Speaker 2: Do we know if these are just an extension of
Speaker 2: the rumors? Do you think that law enforcement has fed
Speaker 2: Maria information that supports the idea that this was racially motivated?
Speaker 2: Is it an assumption that people are making because of
Speaker 2: the dynamics of that party, because of the minority status
Speaker 2: of Alonzo, that he's in the middle of a rural
Speaker 2: farm town and he is not the same race as
Speaker 2: the other people who are at the party. Do we
Speaker 2: know if any of the fights were something where a
Speaker 2: racial slur or derogatory comments were made.
Speaker 1: Well, like, we've heard a lot of rumors about these
Speaker 1: fights and how one of them allegedly started because someone
Speaker 1: used a racial slur and Alonzo's presence, But we just
Speaker 1: don't have any like first hand accounts, like anyone who
Speaker 1: has gone on the record and said that, yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw this happen. It all seems to be like a
Speaker 1: lot of hearsay, gossip and rumors, so I don't know
Speaker 1: about how many of them are actually true. But that
Speaker 1: is a good question. I don't know if law enforcement
Speaker 1: has shared any information with Alonzo's family in which they've
Speaker 1: told them that yes, we have information that his death
Speaker 1: was a hate crime, or if that's just speculation, because
Speaker 1: of course it's all over the internet. A lot of
Speaker 1: people have been sharing rumors that this is what took place,
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much law enforcement has been
Speaker 1: able to deviate fact from rumor.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard for a family who doesn't have
Speaker 2: answers because you want to know why, why would someone
Speaker 2: think that they could steal my son's life from him?
Speaker 2: What could have motivated this? They try to play the
Speaker 2: scenes in their head and in the most natural explanation
Speaker 2: is yes, it probably was racially motivated. But I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: is it something where their grief is leading to I
Speaker 2: need answers, and so I build narratives that make sense
Speaker 2: or that could explain the situation, or is it information
Speaker 2: that's been given to me? Because sometimes information is helpful,
Speaker 2: sometimes it further causes trauma that there's no solution to
Speaker 2: at the time, And then information can also be something
Speaker 2: that helps to heal and write the narrative that allows
Speaker 2: you to move forward and process even when you don't
Speaker 2: have a perpetrator. But I'm just wondering to what extent
Speaker 2: the poor families left with creating the narrative versus being
Speaker 2: fed certain information that could again complicate or help the
Speaker 2: grief that they're feeling.
Speaker 1: Well. I do know that during the early stages of
Speaker 1: the investigation, the family was quite frustrated because law enforcement
Speaker 1: didn't appear to be taking Alonzo's disappearance seriously or do anything.
Speaker 1: But I think they've been a lot more cooperative in
Speaker 1: recent years because it is the FBI the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: So I would not be surprised at all if they
Speaker 1: had given the family information to keep them in the loop.
Speaker 1: And that's why the family has their own ideas about
Speaker 1: what happened. So I think that about brings an end
Speaker 1: to part one join us next week as we present
Speaker 1: part two of our series about the murder of Alonzo Brooks.
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Speaker 4: they're not very mini, but they're just too short to
Speaker 4: turn into a series, and we're really enjoying doing those.
Speaker 4: So we hope you'll check out those patreons. We'll link
Speaker 4: them in the show notes.
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Speaker 3: Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy