Speaker 1: Hello, Hello. Before the episode starts, we did want to
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in the show notes and yeah, let's get onto the episode. Hello. Hello,
this is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode
of spookyto as a podcast for all things as boogie
true crime in in America today just spoogie. This is
a little bit of a different episode because one I
didn't get a true crime story ready because we wanted
it to be our mom's story by itself. Yeah, because
that's what we're sharing today. We shared it last week
where she shared it. We recorded an episode with her
in Spanish and we translated it for or Spanish Challenge
friends so that everyone can hear it. We want to
include everyone in this because the story was traumatizing. It
really was. It was scary. Yeah, yeah, honestly, up there
top five scary stories I've heard like people sharing, you know, yeah,
I would put it up that high. Yeah. So before
we do that, though, we do have a very short
listener story. And if you want to share your story
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So yeah, all right, let's get into it. So this
is from Selene. Selene says, I have a few years
following you on Instagram and listening to your podcast. I
listen when I'm cleaning or driving. Well, here's my story
about a few weeks ago. I was on my way
to pick up my son from basketball practice. My dad
called me and told me that he couldn't find my daughter.
I told him, what do you mean, I have her
with me. He said that when he was getting out
of the shower, my daughter knocked on the door and
was yelling Pappy Cruse. I told him he was hearing stuff,
So you rushed out of the bathroom, went to his
room and finished getting dressed. But when he was doing that,
he heard her again and told her hold on. He
heard her again, Pippy Cruse, and heard when she ran away.
That's when he opened the door. It didn't see anyone,
and that's when he called me. But by this time
I was in line picking up my son, so it
couldn't have been my daughter. My mom sprayed holy water
all over the house as she should, Oh my god,
as she should, and Selene, you had to let us know.
Is at the end of it, like did you not
see or did no one see anything or hear anything weird?
After that? Well, hopefully for her sake, for everyone's sake,
it was like a one time thing. Yeah, because this
isn't even like a normal It's like a little maintain,
like a little ghost. This is yeah, this is a
minute scarier, right, this is the worst kind. I agree.
Oh that's creepy. All right, well let's get started with
our mom's story again. It's horrifying. So I forgot to
say this in the Spanish episode, but she does mention suicide.
So I was listening to it this morning and I'm like,
maybe we should have said asid about that. My bad,
Oh my god, I can't. Sorry, you need to stop.
First of all, Okay, it's also if you're not on video,
this will make any sense. But Christina is making the
hand motions of Ashley Trebino. They keep popping up on
my for you page. People keep making this a filter
and they're like, yeah, oh sorry, if anyone is on
as talk, you know, you know, yeah, okay, sorry, sorry,
all right, So yes, content warning for suicide mention of suicide.
So let's yeah, let's just start again. Very traumatizing story.
Truly has scared us all of our childhood, and we
finally heard it all for the first time. Yeah, so
it all started with our Tia, our mom's oldest sister,
when she was Tia Ludez. Yeah it's because you know, yeah, sorry,
I know the name. The other episode we said our
THEA and then later on we say Tia Ludez and
we didn't specify who it was, although I feel like
it was clear because then Yeah, but still, you know,
it's in the beginning. Yes, so, yeah, it all started
with Artia Ludez, our mom's older sister. Our mom was
around eleven, she thinks, but it's all like a blurnow. Yeah,
I think everyone was older because she said shortly after
Artia left the house, and I think she left already,
not as a teen like under age teen. Oh, so
you know what, she was very older. I think our
mom said first she said she's eleven, and then she
was like wait, wait, I'm getting like everything mixed up.
I think I was like a little bit older, like
fourteen or fifteen. This would make more sense. Yeah, this
will make way more sense, because then I would put
at eighteen or nineteen. Yeah, and they all used to
live and I think we've said this many times, but
in Guadalajara, Jalisco, and in Guadalajara they lived in this place.
We all learned to be Lapencion. They call it lapcion.
I don't know why. Yes, I'm not sure why. I
forgot to ask car when we were sitting there. You
asked me before. She's like, I don't know, we just
called it that. Yeah, I think you're right. But it
was pretty much a parking lot with a room with
a small building and that building was a single room,
and then right outside of that room was like the
kitchen area, but it was all outside, and then there
was an outhouse like a bathroom outside and a big,
big tree, and it was a pretty big parking lot.
There was also a like a mechanic shop in the back. Yeah,
it had a car mechanics shop in it. And then
it also fit forty cars to be parked there. And
they got to live there for super cheap, if not free,
because they took care of the cars and all of that,
or watched over them. There was always someone there to
watch over the cars. Yeah, and so basically that was
their job, Sash. They got to live there to do that.
But this was like ten people in this room. So yeah,
because it was just a single room. All the kids
had bunk beds that they all like shared, except the
oldest kid got to have like the single bottom bunk
by themselves, and everyone else shared in his ass. As
someone left, someone else took over that bunk. Is how
it worked. Like they got the privilege of having room
to sleep alone. Right, So Arthia had the bottom bunk
and her mom had the top one. What she shared
with someone I don't know which, sister. I want to
say it is your Dana Avevan, but I'm not sure.
And there had always been stories about this place Lapenzion,
like little small things that didn't really bug anyone, like
oh there's a shadow during the night. Yeah, it was
always outside, never inside the room, and usually only the
people who were out super late saw anything. So our Alito,
our grandpa, and then like two of her uncles, and
that's how everything was for a very long time, the
ones that were out there in La Pista, yes piano,
and so yeah, this is how things were for a
long time until one night it all changed. Sadly. Everyone
was asleep and around two thirty three in the morning,
our Tea lures So, who was alone in the bottom bunk,
felt like someone sat in her bed and then like
something was climbing on top of her, which we would
say celesubmerto or you know, sleep paralysis, and she kept
trying to scream, and like at first she was paralyzed,
she couldn't scream. Finally, when she was able to scream,
everyone woke up, and that was really it. Everyone just
moved on. They were like, oh, no, something scared her
at night and okay, and that was that. Yeah, and
that was that. Things were normal again for a little bit,
except you know, that was one single strange incident that
happened inside for the first time. But then she left,
you know, everyone moved on. She left to go live
with her boyfriend. And when she left, our mom took
that bottom bunk. It was like the oldest privilege, so
she got to sleep in that same spot. And she's
not sure how much time passed since she took over
Artia Ludus's bed, her older sister's bed, but after some time,
the same thing happened to her too, so it was
two three in the morning. She was asleep. She felt
someone sit on the bed next to her legs and
then she felt numb, frozen in place, and it was
like the numbness went like from her toes to her head,
like it traveled, and then she was like frozen. She
couldn't move. She heard whispers in her ear that she
couldn't understand. Yes, thank you Carmen for that reenactment. As
far as she as we all know, Artia didn't hear
the whispers, just our mom. But everything else was pretty
much the same. And this happened a few times for
a while, and then she decided like she was going
to do something for some reason about this the wrong thing. Well,
and she talked about something that everyone always heard and
I don't know if they talked about it in church
or where, but she said it was like common to
pray for like the lost souls that were in the
purgatory and stuff like that. So it was like a
normal belief, I guess. But nobody told her to do
what she did next though, no, right, so you know,
with that information she went okay, And so like what
Karen was saying, there is a specific prayer that like
you pray to help spirits like move on that are
stuck in this like realm and you know, this world.
And she was like, nah, nah, I'll do one better.
So yeah, she went to the church. She kneeled and
she said, God, I know there are a lot of
spirits out there that need help. Send one to me,
and I will help. Wild behavior, very very wild behavior.
And this was like mistake number two. Yeah, And I
mean like, I don't I don't think God would have
like actually sent someone to her. I think this like
this thing overheard this somehow or like this was like
oh yeah I needed this. Oh finally someone. Yes. Yeah.
Around the same time that all this is taking place,
somehow the family got they got a Wigi board. She
doesn't remember how it ended up with them. Maybe someone
gifted it to our and everyone used to sit around
and use it together like a family activity. And it
even became like an extended family like literally everyone. Yeah. Yeah,
like board game night, but with the Wiji board game night. Yes, yeah.
Weirdly enough, the punch it only moves when our mom
was touching it or ar theia that had moved out. Yeah,
the only two people that slept in that bottom Bunk,
the only two people that had really prouds this incident. Yes,
so already like not the signs are pointing to something
not good. Yes. Eventually the board told them its name
was Danny, and it also revealed that it was in
love with Arthia at some point, the one that didn't
live there anymore. And they all thought if they kept
using the board Luigi board, it would help them get
rid of this entity that was coming at night and
hunting her mom, so then she could finally rest. And
by this point it was happening every night, the sleep paralysis,
her waking up screaming and like nobody was sleeping. So
they kept bringing the board back out and Danny the
board would tell them. It would give them like instructions,
like how to get rid of it, and so it said,
like to be at rest, I need you our mom
to walk out to the mango tree that's in the
property and dig. And our grandpa had to be standing
in the doorway and watching her, but he couldn't go
with her. She had to go by herself. And then
she had to go dig until she found the spirit's bones.
And then once this entity was in a proper resting place,
like a cemetery instead of under this tree, it could
finally be at rest. And also that's where it was
coming from every night. Yeah, yeah, that's where you lived. Basically. Yes,
our mom would hear the footsteps coming from the tree
into the room. Then next to her bed is where
they stopped. And it wasn't just footsteps. She would hear
crying moans all all the way from the tree to
her bed. And the crying wasn't it wasn't normal crying.
It was like, what is the word ethereal? I don't
know if that's the right word. I feel like ethereal
means like heavenly to me all least, I don't know
that's the opposite of ethereal. Yeah, so like like a
voice or sound that's out of this world, not a
human voice, but not not ethereal, because that's again that's
keaviline like hell like hell, I guess yeah, yes, yeah,
I don't know if you're gonna mention this later. But
when they at first, they didn't know what this spirit wanted,
and it couldn't really communicate at first, right, it would
just like like one word here or there, like help
aluyah Oh, I didn't even say words at this point. Okay,
so then it was the Wiji when they were using
the Wiji board that they already knew what they needed
to do. It told them on the Wiji board. Yes,
the Wii board was timing them, yeah, but not Yeah,
that's how they were getting all this information that I
remember that. Yeah, all of that was coming from the
board when they used it. So can you imagine sitting
there just waiting for all of that to spell out?
I know that's why I'm like, that doesn't sound right,
that's so long. But I mean there was plenty of
people to take notes. Yeah, that's true, you know. So
she heard this every night and they would stay there
crying into her ear until like five in the morning,
like all night. Yeah, so she wasn't sleeping, Yeah, she
wasn't sleeping. Some nights, instead of standing next to her
and crying, Celesubia got on top of her, and this
is when the sleeper loss has happened, and then it
was just like crying, making like ghostly creepy ass sounds there.
Other times she would hear steps and then it would
stop in front of her and then she could just
feel it staring at her all night. And that's it,
and just that sensation like when it did whisper, cry
and moan. She knew it was next to her, but
she could hear it like inside of her ear, like
like even better than ear wearing earbuds the way like
I pictured it, like bat is that a word? Yes,
not saying that word right, but you know what I'm saying, right,
I know the word you're trying to say for ptating,
but that sounds like there's too many letters in the
riverb reverbating. No, you know what we're trying to say. Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, that's what I pictured too. So worse, Just
every little bit of this was worse, but yeah, like
an echo in her ear. And a neighbor of theirs,
who was very spiritual, told her mom that she had
to ask the entity what do you want? Because once
she could ask it, what do you want, it's the
entity itself when it came to her, then maybe they
could get a better insight of how to get rid
of it. But the problem was that she couldn't ask
because you couldn't move when it was there. She was frozen.
She couldn't open her mouth to say any words. Nothing.
The neighbor told her to do it in her mind
and then she could find out what it wanted and
get rid of it. But she was sure if she
wanted to do that, because then I wouldn't I don't
know like I would, I wouldn't want to do it. Yeah, no, meither.
So she went to her grandma Mibela and told her
what the neighbor had said. And Mibella asked her, like,
do you have some boyfriend that killed himself or something,
because he might be trying to force you to join them.
But our mom didn't like this, couldn't be anyone that
she knew hunting her. Mabella also told her, like, you
can do what the neighbor said about asking what it wants,
but if you do that, there's no going back. You're
no longer going to hear into un intelligible whispers. You're
going to hear every word that it's seeing. Clearly, from
that point on, you have to be very careful if
you do this, because some entities are only hunting you
this much because they want you to take their place
where they are so they can save themselves from being stuck,
so they can move on. And this is like something
that is like a Chadro negro you know. Yes. When
she mentioned that part, I immediately thought of a chad
On Negro. Yes, And so our mom didn't know what
to do anymore. She wasn't sleeping, she was losing weight.
Her dark circle dark circles, like her under eye, it
was permanently dark. She was desperate. She didn't want to
go through this anymore. She had even told me Bella
that she wanted to die because she was so, so,
so tired and so scared. She dreaded nighttime every day,
and this night after she left me Belace was no different.
She laid down to try and sleep, and at some point,
like every single night, she heard the footsteps coming from
the tree, eleanto, the cry. Then it this time there
was chains dragging along worse like every yeah, yeah, so
now yeah, there's the sound of chains dragging on the
ground along with the cry, the wailing. She took the breast,
waiting for it to get to her bed, and when
it did, in her mind she asked, what do you want?
And then she heard it clearly say for the first time, hallelujah. Disturbing,
very disturbing. I almost threw up when I heard it,
was like, what do you mean that's the first thing
it said, horrifine, It told her Hallelujah help me, Hallelujah
help me. It could only say those words. So from
then on, every single night she would hear the same
thing coming from the tree, footsteps chains, crying Hallelujah help me,
Hallelujah help me. But it wasn't even like like the
way she's she told us. It wasn't like a normal
Hallelujah helped me. It was like a crying saying the
words like like wal that way. Yes, yeah, so worse, worse,
all of it. Yeah, our grandpa decided to go to
the church to ask for help because, like again, nobody
was resting at this point, everybody was worried about her.
She was keeping everyone up. Yeah. Yeah. The priest he
spoke to was a younger priest, and that priest told
him the first thing that needed to be done was
getting rid of that ouijipord, but like actually getting rid
of it, not just throwing it away, like destroying it.
And so our grandpa when he got back from the church,
she told her mom to go and tell them what
was happening to her, to like get more help, more advice,
so she did, but unfortunately for her, it wasn't the
same young priest when she went. It was some old
geezer yeah, old prick. Yeah. And so when she told
this priest what was happened to her, the only being
this priest for Washa, tell me your sins. And she
said everything again, like please, I don't know what to do.
I'm not sleeping, no one in my family's sleeping. And
he said again, tell me your sins. And she's like,
oh my god, I'm being haunted. Yes, this exchange I
had been warmer time where he was like, tell me
your sins, and she was like, please, I need your help.
I need you to come to my house and help
us get rid of this, Like help us, please, I
can't sleep, I can't eat, I can't do this anymore. Please,
And the father was silent, and then my mom just
watched us. He left the confessional. What kind of shit
is that? It remind me of what is the other
book by that we read? Oh my god, yes, Senda
when she goes to the church for help because she's
being haunted. And of course the old priest is like,
if I hear you talk like that again, name bullshit.
I thought of that too. Yeah, so we'll just do
what that young said, We'll get rid of the board.
Only he didn't do that exactly because again he was
supposed to destroy it physically anyway that they could, and
he just threw it away. So when he threw it away,
it came back. It just appeared under our mom's bed.
And by this point, the board was telling everyone that
it was in love with Artha and it was also
doing things to people. Yeah, the husband of our mom's
aunt was over and again everyone at one point came
over to look at the board and yeah, like we said,
it was an extended family activity at this point, and he,
you know, while they were all using it, he said
to the Luigi board, you think I believe in you.
You're just stupid, bored. You're not real. You're not real.
And the board replied, wait until tonight. I'm gonna pull
your legs. I would have shited my pants, I would
have thrown up. Yeah. Yeah. So one week later, this
uncle goes back to the house and tells him you
need to get rid of that board because for the
whole week he had not been able to sleep. Something
was pulling his legs. Yep, and pulling his blanket off.
So yeah, he wasn't the only one having experiences with
the board either. Also didn't believe in the board back then,
and the board would tell them like, I am showing
you respect because you are Ludus' mom, and he the
board was in love yeah, and told the board, okay,
if you're real, do something to show we and the
board spelled out like, look at Mono. And Mono is
another nephew who was around three at the time and
also happened to be the three year old son of
that same uncle. Those legs were pulled. Yeah, so everyone,
because again everyone came over to do this with the board.
So everyone turned to look at poor Mono, and Mono
was just standing there and suddenly he fell. But it
wasn't a normal fall. He felt like he was flipped
over like a cartoon yeap, like when the cartoons slip
on a banana slip. That is how he fell, Yes,
and he hit the floor and obviously started crying because yeah,
he didn't deserve it, Oh my god, did no very somehow,
our grandma still was like I don't know, I still
don't believe. Then the board said look at the table,
and so again. They all turned to look at the
table and all the dishes were standing up on their own,
but not because I mean some dishes do stand on
their own like a bowl it can stand. No, they
were like on their side stand. Yeah, so exactly like that.
So finally thought was like, no, we need to get
rid of this Ouiji board and oh no, this is
I guess he didn't get rid of it right away. Yeah,
this is when he tried to throw it away and
it came back. Oh yeah, yeah, So Ablita decided to
finally get rid of the board like he like he
should have, but he didn't do it the way the
priest said to do it, because the priest again said
destroy the thing, do whatever you can to destroy it.
And our Alito put it in a bag, took that
bag out to the sidewalk to make sure that, you know,
it was out there to hand to like the Tresh people.
The next day and the next night the board was
back under our mom's bed m hm. And then for
some reason they decided to keep using it after they
came back. I don't know why. This is the point
in the movie where we started shouting at everybody. You're like,
what the fuck are you doing yes, yes, And when
they used it again, the board told them you dare
throw me away again? And our grandpa told the board, like,
you know, he was like, look, Danny, you're in love
with someone you can't be in love with. You don't
belong here. And Danny, the Wuiji board replied, then why
did you bring me? And our Abito ended up burning
the board and then burning it and burning it and
burning it until like there was nothing there whatever it
was left like he went to who knows how far
to leave it somewhere, and it didn't return this time.
So now the board was gone and had already told
them what needed to be done, that our mom needed
to go out during the night dig up the bones
with the entity next to her, but nobody wanted to
do that, like who would want to do that? So
they were trying other things whatever they could at this point,
and uncle gave our mom his rosary that he wore
every day because he swore that it protected him from
all evil, and so she, you know, would wear that
other times. They tried to keep the Bible open during
the night. They tried putting the open pairs and open
pair of scissors under her bed, so they were trying
all these things, but nothing was working, and Miblla, our
mom's grandma, told her that she needed to get angry
and kick the entity out, otherwise it would never leave
because it knew that our mom could hear it and
knew that it was getting to her and that it
kept doing If it kept doing this, it would get
what it wanted, which was probably for our mom to
die and for her to take its place, yeah, and
save itself. So these just things were getting worse. Whenever
she managed to get any sleep at all, she had
this dream, and this dream was always the same. She
would get to this house and when she arrived, the
house was always on fire, and then the door, the
front door would open and there would be this like
charred figure of a person standing in the doorway. And
the first time she had this dream was also the
first time that she saw the entity because she's walking
toward the door and her dream the entity opened the door,
and so they were face to face at this point,
and she could see into its eyes, but everything else
it was too burned to make out any facial details
or anything. But she said that in its eyes she
could send this deep sadness and that it probably died
a horrible death. Who knows if there were others in
this house that was burning that also died with this entity.
And her mom just felt like this deep sadness for
this thing that was haunting her. Yeah, she told it
in her dream that she couldn't help it, and she
was so sorry but she couldn't help. And she really
felt bad that she couldn't help. Yeah, because she's a
better person than I. I'd be like, buck, you, I
can't help you, bet, give right off, you get the
fuck out. But no, she felt so bad she couldn't help,
and she felt so bad that she felt mean, getting
angry at it and telling it to leave. Yeah, like
Mabel I had told her to do so, and she
couldn't do it. Alita would tell her, well, hey, why
don't we just do what the board said and maybe
we'll find some gold. They had heard of a girl
back in Rancho, where he's from, who found gold like that,
but she lost her mind and she was being kept
tied to a bed, so they didn't really want to
do that. Was it really an option? Yeah? So yeah,
it's the girl's parents had the gold, but they lost
their daughter. So yeah, our mom didn't want to do that,
but something needed to be done because the situation was
only getting worse. Maybe, I kept telling her, when you
hear the spirit next to you, set up and yell
at it, tell it to leave, and tell it this phrase,
which means leave because I'm busy with the people who
baptize my child. I had never heard this phrase before
me neither. I'm curious to know if other people have
heard it, Please let us know. Yeah, I had no
idea it was a thing until I'm like, is this
aial thing? Or is this like she said it was
a thing. That's true she did. Maybe that's why we
don't know. But is it like just stretch shows? Yeah? Yeah.
Our mom was confused on how this would even work,
since she wasn't anyone's commande de pilla or had any kids,
but she was willing to do it because things were
even worse. There were several nights that a different sibling
would find her sleep walking toward the mango tree, and
at least two or three times she could see marks
on her wrist as if someone had been grabbing her
very hard. And that's wild because things were like now,
like there was like physical evidence of the content like
it was escalating obviously, Yes, that's exactly what I was
gonna say. At every point it was escalating. Yeah, yeah
again worse yes, yeah. So the neighbor that the spiritual
neighbor that we mentioned earlier, told them that the spirit
was physically taking her to the place where it died
so she could stay there and it could leave. And
even her dreams were changing. Some nights, during the little
sleep that she got, she dreamt that she was walking
toward mountains. Behind the mountains there were gray clouds, and
in her dream she knew she had to get past mountains,
and the voice kept telling her to keep going. When
she started having this dream, the entity started placing its
hand on her head. Nah, and she could feel it. Yeah.
When she felt the hand on her head, that's when
she started walking. She would feel herself getting tired, but
the voice urged her on, you're almost there, keep going. Go.
While she walked in her dreams, she walked in real life,
so this was when she was sleepwalking. That's when her
siblings would have to bring her back to the room
after finding her walking to the Maingu tree. There were
a couple of times she woke up on her own
sitting by the table outside, but the last thing she
remembered was falling asleep in her bed. Another time, when
one of her brothers tried to wake her up to
get her back to bed, he felt like he was
being pushed away by an unseen force. So something was
really trying to take her yeah, yeah, and trying to
stop others trying to stop her from leaving. So things
like that continued to happen, and Alita finally said, let's
try something else. This time, she had her mom wear
the rosary from her uncle. They placed the open bible
next to her and the pair of open scissors under
her bed all the same time, because before this they
tried all these things separately. What what did we talk
about it? Before that there was about the open the
putting the scissors, do you remember. Yeah, so that's what
they say stops Brukas from getting because you know, like
the according to legend, like we know, yeah, not all
bluecas right like hashtag now all bluecass. Yeah, but the
legends say that they like to suck newborns run LIKECI
is an example. But it's like not just that, it's
all the Ruka legends really like to take newborns, so
people would place open scissors under the newborn's crib to
stop the bluecass and then, like according to legend, you
would find the cut tongue of brua who's trying to
suck the blood, because that's what the scissors do. They
would find it the next day on the crib of
the baby. So they tried everything all the same time,
and that night she could hear it again, the footsteps,
the crying, the hallelujah helped me the chains, but it
didn't come in. It stopped at the door. She heard
as the entity turned around and whiled its way back
to the tree. But it was a cry worse than
she had ever heard before. It was horrible because it
was upset this time. Yeah, so that night it went
back to the tree and cried, and she felt terrible
the next day, like it was all her fault and
like she had caused this entity pain and that she
had made a cry. And at this point she didn't
realize it, but she was more gone than present, so
like she was more over there in that world than here,
more dead than alive. Yeah, she thought maybe the entity
really did want to be friends. So that night, without
telling anyone. She removed all of the prior protection, so
the rosary, the Bible, the scissors, and that night the
spirit was able to enter. That night, as she started
to get up and sleepwalk, a A. Wulito asked her
where she was going. He always stayed awake as late
as he could to try and stop her from sleepwalking
half asleep. She replied, it's because it's here. It's already inside.
This happened just as he turned the light off. When
she said that, he said, where is he? Tell me
where the motherfucker is? Where is he? She told him
he's next to you. But as she said that, the
entity went behind within seconds. This was one of the
only times she saw the full shape or outline of it.
And she said, it's next to you. No, it's behind you.
And he said, can you just picture that? Oh my god,
that's terrible. So you know, behind you? Oh my god.
So he was scared. Yeah, and he sat on the
bed holding his chats and he's like, oh fuck, oh fuck,
don't leave to please. Oh my god. I would be too.
I would be too. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'll be crying.
I'm scared right now. And I already heard this after
it more than yeah, after this happened, she finally said, no,
this is too much, and she decided to do all
the things they had done on the night you couldn't
come inside, the rosary, the scissors, and the open Bible.
And the next morning our ablitos were talking to each
other wondering why it was able to come inside, and
that's when our mom came clean and said that she
removed all the things because she felt bad, and our
alito was like, you can't feel like that with the dead.
You can't feel bad for them. With these kind of spirits,
there's no way of knowing if they're good or bad.
So you had to stay far away. And that makes
sense because like maybe this thing was putting on this
show and wield all its way back because it wasn't
getting its way, you know, well probably that's why. Yeah, yeah,
So once they put all those things back, the entity
was not able to enter the room. But now it
stood outside at the wall where arm that's terrifying, well,
where our mom's yeah, bed was, and it would call
her by her name, so now it could say more things, Yeah,
you do ned her name, yeah, And she could hear
it all the way from the tree to the wall,
crying out, Acelli, clemency, help do just that? Get it again?
And it's I don't know, it's scarier in Spanish, Clementia,
are you that it really is? It really is scarier
in Spanish, like even when she first told us, like, adelujah,
are you? I think it's the alliteration. I think so alujah.
It's so oh my god, can you imagine fucking hearing that?
I would have killed myself? Yeah, I'm going to survive
this long. Yeah. So her parents are grandparents, decided to
send her mom to Mama Juanita, her paternal grandmother, for
a week or two, all of a sudden, thinking that
maybe this is in her head sudden even though there
was as yeah, no, of course, everyone was desperate. Yeah,
And once she was there, she was able to get
the best sleep of her life, well since the last
past nine months, however long this thing had been going
on for and nothing happened to her while she was
at Mama Juanita's. While she was gone, her oldest brother
Artio said, Heio came back home super late, you know,
and them a na pista as he did. This was normal, typical, yes,
and he usually slept outside with the blanket in the
kitchen when it was really late, like he woudn't even
come inside, and that night he thought it would be
oh my god, I can't so he thought it would
be funny to use our mom's blanket to try and
trick the entity, and he heard the same sounds that
she heard every night, but he didn't stick around to
see what would happen. He left to sleep at a
friend's house. He said fuck this, and as he was
running out of the house, the dishes the chairs at
the table were all moved around. For a while, the
entity was pissed when she finally went back home after
that week a week and a half, the entity came
coming to her during the night, but it never went
back inside. Then it must have realized he wasn't gonna
be able to haunt her anymore, because slowly, over time
he stopped coming. But because she was so used to
living like this, she wasn't fully happy it was over.
She was sad, and she felt terrible about forcing the
entity away. Even though the haunting seemed over, her sleep
and health didn't recover. Now. She laid awake at night
feeling lonely because as terrifying as it was the entity
had been her company during those sleepless nights. At this point,
she was feeling suicidal, like she didn't want to live anymore,
and she even tried to die by suicide twice, but
both attempts failed. Man Finally, after some time, she reacted
and realized this had to stop, and she said aloud,
I don't know where you are anymore, but I can't
help you. I'm sorry. I can't be the one to
help you move on. Maybe somedays someone else will be
able to do that, to do what I couldn't, but
it isn't me. I hope you find peace. And with
that she was able to start living again. More time passed,
things were almost normal again. Our mom didn't sleep in
that bottom bunk anymore. She was in the top bunk
with another sister, Artiana Ben, who for some strange reason,
really wanted to go out and see the morning star,
which is planet Venus, and you can see it just
before dawn. Best one night's leaving, but it's not quite
dawn like dusk, and our mom told her don't go
out there, it's still dark. It's still out there. It
finally left me alone, but if you go out there
where it lives in the tree, it might latch onto
you next It's still there. And she knew this because
once in a while she still had dreams about the tree.
She was no longer walking toward it or toward mountains,
and the entity wasn't visibly there. It was just a tree.
But she took that as a sign that was still there.
But Urthiana Ben didn't listen. And as soon as she
went out out there to look at the morning Star,
she came back inside screaming, screaming, crying, throwing it up,
fell to her knees in lapentune truly because she was
passing out, just on a breadge of passing out. Yeah,
she did actually fall to her knees. We meant that
quite literally. And so everyone woke up when our came
back and throwing up, screaming, crying, and our abaity to
turn the light on. And when our Da finally calmed down,
she told them that while she was out there trying
to find the morning Star, the shadow of the entity
was standing by the mango tree and it might have
said something to her in this, you know instance, And
so she ran back inside screaming and our wady to
told her, like, don't go back out there again, not
during the night, unless you have to go to the bathroom,
like nobody go out there. Yeah, and even if you
go to the bathroom, it needs to be quick as
quickly as possible, like they had finally gotten rid of
this entity, and I were going back out there, like
no one wants it back. Yeah. And even though our
Tiana didn't see it again, she was traumatized. She would
wake up screaming, or she would she would try to
literally sleep on top of her mom, like using her
as a pillow. Yeah, Or she would run to our
grandparents bed, and then from there she would yellow Araceli,
which terrified her mom because it reminded her of when
the entity would say her name. Yeah, yeah, yes, So
she was just out here making everything worse. And then
like our mom couldn't sleep because of how Artia was
like sleeping on her or calling to her, and our
mom needed her sleep, like after so much time of
not sleeping. She would tell Aralitos her parents, like, please
make her stop. It's reminded me too much of the
entity when she's calling out for me at night, And yeah, understandably,
so Luckily for Artiana Belle, she didn't seem to have
seen it again. It was just a one time thing,
and really no one saw it again, not that much
years past. They all left this nightmare behind. At this point,
our mom left Mexico for the US. Well, was she
twenty one, twenty two something like that, something like that,
and you know that's where we were born, like a
year after or something like that. I Will eat That
came to visit when we were four years old, so
like late nineteen nineties at this point. Yeah, and this
is like years years, years after this whole or deal
that or Mom went through when she was visiting. Or
I Will Eat That told her mom that they heard
the entity. Her and A Willita heard it at night.
They were asleep when they just heard. So, Yo, why
do you like that to scare you? You scare me?
I know that was my goal? Damn wow, got me?
Got me there, You got me. And neither one of
them could move when this was happening, and in her dreams,
or I Will eat That could finally see what our
mom was talking about all those years ago, the charred
figure of what was once a person. It also told
them in that same dream that they were both having
it at the same time that it had been burned. Yeah, insane.
That's how you know, like it's real and it's not
just you when someone else is experiencing the same thing.
And it said to them that it had been burned.
But then it just left and that was that. It's
like it just wanted to say, hey, I'm still here.
I did. I guess that's literally almost word for word. Yeah.
Time passed. With money pulled together from siblings. Now in
the US, they were able to get a house built
for Lios and so finally they left what we called Lapenzion,
that little room in a parking lot, but they lived
there for years, literal years into a very I mean,
like I think it's a very nice house. Yeah, I
think so too. Yeah, and yeah, everyone left Lapentzion ten
to fifteen years after all this. Now we're around two
thousand and seven. In between two thousand and seven and
twenty eleven, our Abulo ran into the brother of one
of the owners of Lapenzion, that little room, and the
brother had just moved in there momentarily and he had
been hearing the entity, so it was still there. Yeah,
But then he left the building is. I want to say,
it's probably still there. We saw it in the mid
two thousands. Probably our mom saw it again around two
thousand and sixteen fifteen around there, yeah, one of those
two years, because when she went back to Mexico for
the first time, she went to go see this little
room for the first time where you know, she grew up,
and she didn't see or hear the entity, but she
could sense that it was still there, like she had
this feeling that it had not gone. But again they
didn't see it again. So honestly, it probably is still there,
and who knows how long it has been there, because
then our mom also told us that this part of
Guadalajara way back when used to be this sassienda owned
by some person named El Major that's what they called him.
And this is all like a past orally. I don't
think there's any documentation of this, but this is just
what they had all been told that El Mayord owned
this huge scienda that covered where they lived in a
pension all the way to this other neighborhood. What's it called.
Do you remember? I don't remember all the top of
my head in front of maybe I don't remember the neighborhood.
But this huge part of this around there, it's around
the stadium, right, yes, because that's what they call it.
I can't even say that infna inferna be yeah. Yeah,
And so el Mayor used to, you know, as most
owners did, mistreat you know, the workers and you know,
kill them and then bury them in that same land.
And like nobody knows how many people were killed during
this time and then just buried there. And everyone that
lives in this neighborhood has you know, weird paranormal experiences
like things turning off on and off on their own footsteps, sounds,
and at some point there was a fire in this
ascienda and so she thinks it could all be related
to this. And if that is the case, this thing
has been there for a long long time. Yes. The
wild thing is that her mom still feels sad about
how long the entity has been there and that she
couldn't help it. Yeah, but yeah, that is the hunting
of Maria. What a ride that was, right, What a journey.
I I was very glad to hear the whole full
story because there was so many parts to it that
we hadn't heard. But also like just hearing it. It's
I get scared. It's like this should be a movie,
and knowing I have copywriter The Hunting of Maria and
I'm just kidding, no, but it really is such an impactful,
scary story, like I ImpACTA I have has affected me emotionally,
and we've heard like bits and pieces all of our
lives of this. And yeah, you know, our mom is
a spooky lady and our dad is a spooky spooky guy.
That's where we got our spookiness from. So that, yeah,
that is why we need to leave. He's actually all
three of them will actually they see things, and thankfully
we don't. Don't skip us. I'm grateful, grateful for that. Yeah,
and was it? I think it was Stephanie. When we're
chatting with her, she was like, it might just be blogged,
and I don't want to keep it blocked, keep it blocked.
I'm not trying to more that chakra. No, thank you, no,
thank you. But yeah, that brings us to the end
of this episode. And before we go, we're just gonna
take a little out of break and then come back
with spooky recommendations. And we're back. Carmen, do you have
spooky recommendations? I don't think so. I think since the
last time we recorded, I mentioned that I started listening
to The Reformatory by Nana Reeve Do Yes, But I
feel like we talked about it because I was your
speaker re comminiation last time, because you had finished it. Anyway,
I now finished it, and I also loved it five
out of five truly amazing, so good. And I think
we both listened to the audiobook and the another narrator
was so good at all the different accents. I'm like,
how is she doing this right? So good? And you know,
I feel like our mom reminds us, reminds me a
lot about Robert, the main character, because he feels also
bad for the Haints or the spirits at one point,
like there was one reason I don't like listening to audio,
or one thing I don't like about audiobooks is that
I can like highlight a quote, you know, and so true. Yeah,
And I kind of remember, just at the top of
my head, like there was like something in the book
that he's like thinking. He's like, maybe maybe they just
wanted someone to witness them or witness their death or
acknowledge their death something like that. And I feel like
as our mom was telling us, like the full story
of her haunting, that was like one thing that I
kind of like stood out, Like I feel like because
of her deep and it's the thing I feel like,
I've heard a lot of people that are very in
tune to the spiritual side that they have. Like not
to say we're not empathetic people, because I do feel
like I am, but anyway, that's what they're like on
another level. Yeah, like people with this ability are deeply empathetic.
And as our mom was telling us this story, like
even now to this day, like you can feel the
empathy she has still has for that spirit because they're stuck.
If you know Spanish, please that is the way to
hear this story, because yeah, you can hear her always
crying in some parts. Yeah, just how bad you about it?
I'm like, man, this is crazy. This thing is terrorizing you. Yeah,
but yeah, it reminded me of the main character. I
can't believe I don't even make that connection because you
were so you were so right for making that kind
of so spot on. And yeah, it was like a
thing that stood out for me stood out to me
from the book too, like the way that the ghosts
are represented and things like that. Yeah, yeah, it really
was such a good book. Yeah for my spooky recommendation,
it's not spooky. It's more true crime, but like fictional
true crime. It's a show. It's called The Killing. I
talked a little bit about it, but I finally finished
all four seasons. I don't know if you remember me
saying this show depicted Seattle is sat in Seattle, and
I'm like, man, Seattle looks so depressing. And then I'm
like I looked out the window. I'm like, oh wait,
it is. It's like that, this is what this guy looks. Like,
what are we talking about? Literally, but the first two
seasons follows the murder of a teenage girl and it's
just them unraveling twist because let me tell you, the
twists are twisting. There's just twists. I love a like
Red Harrying and like they're following this case and just
you could see how badly their fuck ups fuck everyone up,
Like what is it? Some lives up? Hulu? Hulu, Okay,
and you don't want it. It's on Hulu. It's an
AMC show. It was on AMC first and then it
was cut and then Netflix. Boughty and finished out the
last two seasons. I know, and it actually has a conclusion.
It concludes it wasn't like canceled without a final, like
actual end to the story. So that's always nice when
there's an actual end to a story to me, because
so many shows just get cut and you never get
to see an ending. Hate Clarita Diet. So yeah, the
first two seasons follow that story. Some people feel that,
like I've seen mixed reviews where the two seasons drag.
They feel like it dragged out for too long for
the same crime to be the span of those two seasons.
I love a slow burn, you need too, and I
also the relationship between the two detectives is just so funny.
To me, I don't mind it, so I don't. I
love a slow burn, so it didn't bother me, But
that bothers some people. Season three is a completely different
case that's just wild. And then season four is a
completely different case that I just wasn't expecting. But it
was also not bad, although I would say out of
the four seasons, that's probably the weakest season. The one
as tends to happen. Yeah, but no, it was like,
if you like a detective drama. It's honestly enjoyable. It
wasn't Je love drama me too. I've been wanting to
watch true know what's it called True Detective, but one
that has it seems like it's set somewhere else that's
like snowing. I don't know at night night. I don't
remember the name of the show, so scratch all that.
So yeah, anything else? No, okay, okay, oh wait, wait,
we finished, which is of lass. That's what I was
about to say. Oh yeah, yes, we did finish, which
is doing the ash Travino hands when you see videos
of someone doing that. The search part is Ashtravino hands. Anyway, Yes,
we finished, which is a bit best. So by the
time you're hearing this, I will have sent out discussion
questions to give every one time to answer them if
you want to answer them, and we will read the
results and maybe we'll live stream the book discussion on
I don't know how to set it up. Still, okay,
well maybe not. Then. I'm also excited to talk about
the book because I feel like most of the time
we have absolutely loved the book, and I liked it.
I don't want to make it seem like I didn't
like it. I liked it. I had a good time
reading it. Yeah, but I feel like with other books,
I haven't had a thing like where there's things I
didn't really like or like. No I ha critiques. I
guess this time I do. So I'm with you on that,
different with you on that. Yeah, it'll be a little different.
So yeah, I will be sending that out. We'll set
up a day to record, hopefully live stream it, maybe
with just the patron members because I have to figure
out how to do it. I think though with Riverside
you can live stream to YouTube. So yeah, we'll do that.
We'll figure out. We'll figure Oh my god, we will
figure it out, is what I was trying to say.
Also in the description, I will put mutual aid funds
for LA for the fires. I mean I've, as we've
said many times, we grew up going not to La La,
but like San Pedro Long Beach area because that's where
we have family, but like we have love for LA honestly,
so you know we're gonna do what we can. So
I mean, I'll be using probably some Petroon funds instead
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So if you're interested in donating, I will put some
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I'll be sharing all that in our social media, but
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to rebuild and not even the home but everything that
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