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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: This is Fred Green of golf Smarter with the eighth

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appearance that Tony Manzoni made on golf Smarter number four

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hundred and fifty six that was recorded back in September

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of twenty fourteen. This is the first of two consecutive

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episodes from that month, as we're getting close to the

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end of our annual series as we spring back into

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golf season with Tony Manzoni. Tony's book The Lost Fundamental,

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One Simple Move Better Golf Forever is available on Amazon

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in paperback and on kindle format, and the DVD that

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he created, which we converted to a private link online,

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is also available when you write to me. For the

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most comprehensive information ever collected on Tony, please go to

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Golfsmarter dot com. If you'd like access to that video,

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please write to me directly golf Smarter Podcast at gmail

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dot com, or just click on the Heyfred button when

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you visit Golfsmarter dot com.

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Speaker 3: For members only. Golf Smarter number five four one hundred

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and fifty six published on September thirty, twenty fourteen. You're

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headed address Hitting behind the Ball in More Part one

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with Tony Mantoni. This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to

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the Golf Smarter podcast. Tony, Hey, Fred, how are you.

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I'm doing fine. It's nice to have you back on

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the show. I apologize immediately for the banging, but there's

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some construction being done outside my office, so if it

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sounds like someone's knocking to get in, I'm not answering

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Speaker 1: All right, you got it.

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Speaker 3: All things going down there in Palm Desert, I get.

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It's amazing, continues to be amazing. This is what your

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ninth appearance on Golf Smarter, and every time you're on

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there's this just a tremendous reaction to your work and

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purchases of your book and your video The Lost Fundamental.

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It's fabulous.

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Speaker 4: Well that really pleases me to hear, obviously, and hopefully

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this ninth podcast will generate more interest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well again, the book is called The Loss Fundamental.

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It's also the name of a DVD, and it's only

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available on Golf Smarter website because your site's not working properly.

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But maybe we'll get that fixed too. And we're still

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to those of you who are not in the United States,

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we apologize, but we're still trying to figure out how

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to make both the book and the video available as

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a digital download. At this point it's not, but as

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soon as it is, we'll let you know. So we're

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working on that. So how's the team doing down to

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College of the Desert.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a rebuilding period for us.

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Speaker 4: Last year's team primarily broke off to other colleges and

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so forth, and that's always problemly to your schools.

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Speaker 1: You can't build a dynasty.

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Speaker 4: But that being said, we did win our twenty eighth

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conference championship in a row.

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Speaker 3: Then you have to dynasty.

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Speaker 4: It is a little crazy, and I think that we've

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got a shot at twenty nine. I brought in a

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bunch of boys that are freshmen, but they're good players.

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They just need guidance like always, and that's my job.

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So you know, we have high hopes again, Fred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome. How is it Tony? Now you're dealing with

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kids that are eighteen nineteen years old primarily correct?

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Speaker 1: That's correct?

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Speaker 3: And how you're not close to that age, you're probably

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closer to their grandparents' age. How's your communication? Well, well,

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I'm trying to be nice.

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Speaker 4: Age is a number to me, it always has been. Yeah,

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you're right, but I've been lucky enough to stay current

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with everything that I can. I try to stay current

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with music. It doesn't please me as much as Frank Sinatra,

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but I still stay current with it. And I try

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to keep myself at their level and try to understand

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what they're going through, what their peer pressure.

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Speaker 1: Is, and so forth.

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Speaker 4: Because if I'm going to be an effective a teacher

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they're coming from. And then we kind of meet in

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Speaker 3: In middle. So that would be the Beatles. If that's

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the middle, we're going from the forties to twenty twenties.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean just.

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Speaker 4: The things that they do recreationally that I didn't do,

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and the things that they strive for that I didn't

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Speaker 1: You know, the PGA Tour, for instance, it was a

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very very small faction.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have any dreams of being I wanted to

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play competitive golf. But you can become a zillionaire playing

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professional golf. At when I played now, I mean, you know,

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first price, when I played a lot of terms, five

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thousand dollars for his prize, and you know, everything today

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was no endorsement because golf really wasn't an important sport

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on television. It is now. I've been watching the Ryder

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Cup and it's just it's amazing. It's like the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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author of The Drawing the Dunes, he was talking about

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golf in nineteen sixty nine. The book is about the

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nineteen sixty nine Ryder Cup and the concession, and he

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late sixties, how little it was and how difficult it

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was for American players to go and play in overseas

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because it just didn't pay. I mean, it cost you

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money to do it. Even if you won, you probably

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didn't make very much money because of the expenses. So

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to be things to television.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, people like Arnold Palmer kind of created

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the interest for television to want to put golf on TV.

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driving force, as did in modern day Tiger Woods. But

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Speaker 1: I was at the Almaden.

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Speaker 4: Open and we had everybody there, and I mean I'm

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talking about Venturre, Tony Lima, I mean the best names

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in golf and first prizes it was five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: So things have changed dramatically.

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so forth. It's just staggering and become If you can

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make it to the tour in last even a couple

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of years, you're a multi millionaire.

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Speaker 3: And that's crazy, right right, Yeah, and the expenses went

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up too. Yeah. I'm fascinated about the team concept. When

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you're doing a college team like this, how similar is

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it to team competition like we're experiencing the Ryder Cup.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, the chemistry and camaradity is a big

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portion of playing golf team wise. When we're out there playing,

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our egos get involved sometimes and sometimes when we're having

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a bad day, we just let strokes get away from us.

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Speaker 1: We just cavalier with that.

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Speaker 4: And as I have to really really impress my students

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is that sometimes we're going to be forced to keep

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their score and sometimes they could take an eighty and

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maybe keep it at seventy six or seven or they

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can let it go to eighty five. You just can't.

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your score is going to count. You can never say, well,

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somebody else will pick up the slack because when we

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Speaker 1: Six player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, six players, and we keep five scores,

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Speaker 1: But you never know who's going to get dropped when

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Speaker 4: Beating balls, and you can't assume that, God, I'm having

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a bad day, somebody else had picked up the slack

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for me, because lots of times you're incorrect.

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Speaker 3: So the scoring is a conglomerate of all the scores.

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how's the scoring done?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the total of five scores, and you know

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that number, whatever that number may be, is goes against

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the other teams. We're always trying to get for five players,

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we're always trying to get somewhere near.

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Speaker 1: Par, which is very difficult. You know.

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Speaker 4: Sure, usually the number one, two, and three man will

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shoot near power, sometimes even under. But it's the four

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and fifth, four, five and six players that make or

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break you, because somebody can shoot sixty six or sixty.

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Speaker 1: Eight, But if you have to keep an eighty, that

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Speaker 4: So we're we have to as a coach, I know

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that when all the conference championships we won, and all

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the state championships we won, our bottom three were the

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driving force, not the top three.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like the starting rotation of a baseball team.

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to carry the team, and you hope for the best

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for number four and five, or even your batting lineup

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for that matter. Right, So, do you only play one

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Speaker 4: Well, in some cases. In some cases, we play two

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rounds of golf when we play. When we play conference

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championship or regionals or state championship, you play thirty six

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mental challenge, which golf is consistently right.

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Speaker 3: Right, So when you're playing two rounds, is it a

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conglomeration of all ten scores or is it two separate rounds.

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Speaker 4: In the conference championship, it's two different contest in the Regionals.

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Speaker 3: And it's best ball. It's best scoring. It's not match

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play or anything or four ball any of the.

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Speaker 1: Other other games. It's metal play, right, right.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been involved in any type of competition

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that's similar to the Ryder Cup?

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Speaker 1: No, I have not. I have not.

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Speaker 4: I think probably everyone that's ever played golf professionally probably

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dreams of that.

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Speaker 4: I've played some match play competition, but nothing like that,

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nothing that lasted three days and a bunch of different

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somebody can coach that.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's really the challenge, you know, when we play

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regular tournaments, whether they're PGA Tour or sectional tournaments, professional,

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when you're playing if you miss a putt, no one's

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going to clap. In the Ryder Cup, you've got two

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groups of people out there, those that are with you

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Speaker 1: And then on top of it, you're playing.

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Speaker 4: For your country and some of those rounds where you know,

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you hit the T shot and then the other fellow

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plays where you hit that T shot. From now you

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have that pressure also got to put another fairly. I

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Speaker 1: Put my friend Bob in the weeds. So it's so.

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Speaker 4: Different than typical competition, and especially with the pride of

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being an American and winning and you know, we're big

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underdogs right now, but we're holding our own I'm very

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Speaker 3: Well, by the time that people get a chance to

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hear this, the whole thing will be over. So we

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really have no idea what's going on. We're recording this

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If someone's listening later, Hi, welcome. Let's change channels here

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a little bit and let's get into your wheelhouse, which

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is swing mechanics, ball striking, the loss fundamental. You know,

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hitting behind the ball. I mean, you'll see a divot

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that is three to four maybe five inches behind the ball,

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even with their especially with their driver. What do you

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Speaker 1: It's a really easy answer, believe it or not.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you think so.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: What's happening is that they're not transferring their weight as

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the first move of the downswing. What they're doing is

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they're dropping the club down to the ball. The old

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adage about staying behind the ball, that's true in its falls.

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Speaker 1: You have to drive through the ball.

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Speaker 4: And if you're a right handed golfer, your right shoulder

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and your right hip have to go past that ball.

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So imagine the ball was a line, and when you

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set up to the golf ball, half of your bodies

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behind the line and half of your body's forward of

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the line, with your head being in the.

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Speaker 1: Center on the dolls wing, You've got.

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Speaker 4: To get that part that's behind the ball forward of

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the ball in a rotational move. And when you hit

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behind the ball, it's because you are.

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Speaker 1: Behind the ball at impact, and.

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Speaker 4: You can't be You've got to be moving through it.

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You know when they say stay behind it when you

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hit it. That's a millisecond, but you have to be

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moving through it now. In the past, years gone by,

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or your head went backwards because we swung and we

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finished in what we call a C position, and everybody

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got a bad back from that. Yes, your head stayed back.

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But you watch today's players. First of all, they don't

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finish with their hands high. They finish with their hands low,

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and that's because they're turning their body and rotating their

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core to the left of the target. So the width

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of the swing is increased from impact to finish. Big change.

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And you can see that this has happened on the tour.

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Everyone is talking about it. And I knowed it because

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like my new boys that came in and I sit

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and I talked to them about the golf swing. And

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there's two ways to do this. You can be an

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arm player. You can be a body player. They all say, oh, no, Coach,

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we're body players. So I'm finding that I don't have

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to I don't have to prove my point anymore. They

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already know that because they watch the mcilroys and the

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Coochers and all these players that in some fashion are

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more rotary than sliding through the ball.

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Speaker 3: So on setup your head. Should your body be a

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little angled behind the ball or should you be completely upright?

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Speaker 1: I believe you should be centered to the golf ball.

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I don't want my head behind the ball.

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Speaker 4: There's an old same You want to stand above the ball,

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but not behind it.

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Speaker 1: Your head's like a bowling ball. And wait, and you.

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Speaker 4: Know you've got to get to the left side, So

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why put more weight on the right side to start it?

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Speaker 1: Just you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Unless you're a neuia of or somebody like that that

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can move quickly to the left, you're gonna either have

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to slide or something to get over there. And then

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that opens up another Pandora's box of bad shots. By

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staying centered to the ball and not being so tilty.

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Speaker 1: With the shoulders.

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Speaker 4: Although some people teach that, and I'm not saying it's wrong,

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get me. I want to be clear on that. It's

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just harder to do. You know, you can shift your

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weight to the right and then shift it back to

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the left, and if you can time that move prior

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to impact, you're going to be just fine. But I

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don't think very many people can do that nor have

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the time to do that in a sense of practice.

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So what I feel is what I think I saw

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with Ben Hogan, the changes he made. He centered himself

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more to the ball at address, and then his lef

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lef side he turned level left. His left shoulder didn't

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go up, it went around. And if you keep the

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left arm connected to the body, you block the rotation

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of the arms so that you square the club by

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the turn of the body instead of the rotation of

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the arms, and.

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Speaker 1: You're playoff of really one axis.

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Speaker 4: Getting back to hitting behind the ball, what happens is

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that we fixate on the ball so much and instead

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of thinking about where we're going with the golf club,

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and our body has to go because it is going

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to go more forward than it was at address and

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it's turning. So most people when they topped the ball

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or hit behind the ball, that's because their focus is

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too much on impact. Impact is happening, and it's not

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something that you can just stand there and wait for.

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You've got to be moving athletically, just like everything when

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you throw a ball, when you hit tennis ball, when

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you throw a punch, everything is moving forward in some form.

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In golf, that forwardness can't be on a line. It

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has to be a rotational move. So when I tell

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my people, get you've got to get to the left side,

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and your way should be at least at impact eight

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on that left foot.

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Speaker 1: The right foot should just be driving forward.

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Speaker 4: But most people, when they hit behind the ball, it's

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just that they get anxious from the top and they

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hit down on it too much and they don't transfer

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their weight. And that's the same thing with a thin shot.

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It's the same exact thing.

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Speaker 3: Too focused on impact. You just said, well, I find

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that I'll play better when I'm focused more on playing

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the course than playing the ball. Does that make any sense?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Again, in my teachings, especially with my boys that are

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going to be in competition, I tell them when we practice,

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you have to pick out a you have to go

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through a pre shot routine.

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Speaker 1: When you're practicing, you have.

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Speaker 4: To pick out a really tight target so that you

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get yourself used to visually your target being very small.

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Those things are very important in practicing. And then you

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have to you have to use the ball as a

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point of reference. To move through, but not as something

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to hint, because if you're thinking hitting, you're going to

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anticipate impact. And if you anticipate impact, your hands are

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going to tighten it impact, your arms are going to

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pull back a little bit, and you're either going.

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Speaker 1: To thin it or you're going to top it. But

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more importantly, you're going to stay behind it. And that's

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not good.

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Speaker 3: And that was actually I was going to get to

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the concept of you know, topping the ball, of hitting

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where it's just going to roll because you've just I

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guess you're glancing the club over the top part of

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the ball. You're not making solid contact, and it's just

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going to be a worm burner is just going to

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be rolling on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and incorrectly it's diagnosed you looked up, and I

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don't believe anybody looks up. I think that when they

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tighten up their body, their shoulders hunch up a little bit,

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their arms pull back towards them. But what is the

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core reason for that. The core reason is that they're

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trying to hit the ball and the club head is.

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Speaker 1: Moving too fast.

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Speaker 4: You know, there was an old saying good players says,

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where the ball is bad players.

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Speaker 1: Stare at it. And I think that's really a true statement.

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I like that.

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Speaker 3: Good players sense where the ball is right, and bad

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players stare at the ball stare Oh man, great, I'm

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writing this one down. Sense Okay, what about you know

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when your rotation, your movement, how how important is it

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to keep your lower body still? Try to keep that

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from swaying back and forth? Where does that fall in?

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Speaker 4: Well, when you set to the ball, I believe, and

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everyone has their own opinion on it, this is mine.

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I believe that you set up with the ball so

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that your right hip is aligned on the inside of

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your right foot, on the d step of the foot.

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Speaker 1: That creates a kind of a brace. The first move of.

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Speaker 4: The swing is it's a combination of your arms and

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shoulders working somewhat together. I like to take the club

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back because I'm right handed. I like to take it

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back with my right side. I don't buy into turn

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your left shoulder to your chin. I've never bought that

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because it makes you move to the right a little bit.

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Speaker 1: When you pull your right shoulder back, your right shoulder.

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Speaker 4: Is really going behind your neck kind of towards the target.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you that have a limited turn.

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Speaker 4: If you work on turning your right shoulder behind your neck,

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you're going to find that you're going to increase your

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shoulder turn twenty percent when I try. You know, when

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I try to illustrate turning from my left side, I

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can't make as much turn as when I pull my

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right shoulder back.

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Speaker 1: By pulling my right shoulder back.

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Speaker 4: And also it also stops the feeling of moving back

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to the right foot, so I can stay inside that brace.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, as I turn.

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Speaker 4: The right shoulder back, my hip is going to respond

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back also, and the inclination of my right foot because

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my hip is on the inside of the instep of

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my right shoe, the inclination is going.

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Speaker 1: To steep in a bit.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at all the great players that

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lasted a long time, you'll look at the right The

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right leg is not perpendicular.

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Speaker 1: The right leg is steep.

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Speaker 3: What do you find to be the most common flaw

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that you have to help correct?

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Speaker 4: Moving moving back from the ball, the head, moving with

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the shoulder turn. I have a PE class and I

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did the College of Favor this year. They didn't have

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an instructor, so there's about thirty five people in the class.

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And most of them never hit a golf ball.

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Speaker 1: So but a lot of young boys that are, you know,

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they've played baseball and so forth. So I teach them

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to grip in a group, you know, a group setting.

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Obviously it's not going to be perfect, but we get close.

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And then I watched them hit the balls.

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Speaker 4: Individually, and the first thing initially is that they're they're

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reaching back for power, they're swaying off that right sead.

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And then when they hit the ball, the majority of

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their weights on the right foot and the ball slices

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or they top it, and I have to get up

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and I say, look, I'm an old guy. Look at

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a little effort I make, and I can hit the

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seven hundred and sixty yards and I go ahead and bang.

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Speaker 1: The ball out there, and they look at me like,

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how do you do that?

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Speaker 4: But once they understand that they have to be centered

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to the ball and then through the ball, then all

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of a sudden, you watch these kids whack a ball

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out there. It's crazy how far they can hit it.

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So I know one thing I've heard more and more

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Turing Pross saying, I want to take the timing out

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of my game, and I want to take the compensations.

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Speaker 1: Out of my game.

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Speaker 4: I want to be able to even when my feet

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are in the fire, because I'm playing for something I

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dearly want. I want to still be able to play

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well when you're timing the rotation of the golf club

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with your hands and forearms. That's a heck of a

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lot harder under pressure than rotating your body and keeping

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your arm connected to the body.

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Speaker 1: Is it easy to do.

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Speaker 4: No, it's hard because it goes against your natural instincts.

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But once you get it, I promise you that you'll

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not only hit the ball farther because you'll hit a

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square them all more often, but your shot dispersion is

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going to be much narrower. You're going to have a

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lot less side spin on the ball, so when you

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push it, you won't push it with a cut or

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pull it with a draw. And that's you know, that's

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what happens to everybody. And the better you are as

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a player, the more you fight the draw or the hook.

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Speaker 1: When you first.

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Speaker 4: Start out, it's a slice for everybody for a while,

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but if you're focusing on playing the game under pressure,

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you need something to block that hook without making a

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block move in a sense, So you need something that

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traps that club square. And this is the only way

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that I know how. And I know that there's a

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couple of players out on tour that maybe are reluctant

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to do this, but if they did it, they would

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hit some fairways every now and then.

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Speaker 3: Come on, name names.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to name any name.

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Speaker 3: They're not listening. I promise. Who would you think does that?

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Speaker 1: Well? I think I think anybody that's an armed player.

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Speaker 4: I think Phil who is probably one of the most

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talented players that's ever played the game when it comes

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to all the kind Zashasi his he's got a terrible

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record of driving the ball in play. And so it

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does Tiger, I mean, and it blows my mind that

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Tiger doesn't because the guy's are golfing genius. Also, he

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knows he doesn't need anybody to teach him to play golf.

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I think that's probably the biggest problem is he's ever had,

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you know. I think Butch did him a favor by

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shortening his swing a little bit. But Tiger knows how

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to play. And when you get too conscious of how

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to do something, when you're purposely trying to do something,

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you get awkward.

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Speaker 1: Everybody does.

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Speaker 4: I think if Tiger would go woodshed, and I think

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he's kind of inclined. He's been saying things like, I

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may not hire somebody, I may go out there and

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figure it out myself.

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Speaker 1: If he would do that like Hogan did and all the.

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Speaker 4: Great players where you own your own swing, because how

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they can instruct or feel what you're feeling, I mean,

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it's not possible. So you can lead them to you

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can lead them to some dynamic moves, or you can say, hey,

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you're swaying or you're doing this. But when you get

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to be Tiger Woods, come on, guy is one of

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the greatest players of all time. But once you get doubt,

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you lose that mojo, you lose that feeling that you're

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going to win, and then you start questioning everything, every

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move you make, and you've got somebody barking on instructions.

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That's a road to nowhere as far as I'm concerned,