WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:32.840 Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. 2 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:38.119 I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right 3 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:39.399 into this week's case. 4 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:47.560 July twenty sixth, nineteen ninety three, Loanhari, Wales, sixty five 5 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:50.520 year old Harry Tews and his sixty seven year old wife, 6 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.000 Meganchoos are both shot to death at their remote farm 7 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:58.679 before their bodies are hidden inside a cowshed. The investigation 8 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.159 eventually focuses on Jonathan Jones, the boyfriend of Twos's daughter, 9 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.159 and after his thumb print is found on a saucer 10 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:10.200 inside the residence, he's charged with the murders. Even though 11 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:13.000 Jonathan is found guilty of the crime and sentenced to 12 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:17.480 life imprisonment, his conviction is overturned one year later, so 13 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.359 there are no conclusive answers about who actually killed Harry 14 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:21.920 and Meghan. 15 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.760 After that, the path went Chili. So today, for the 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.480 first time, the Pathway Chili is going to be exploring 17 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.560 an unsolved cold case which took place in Wales, the 18 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:36.200 nineteen ninety three murders of Harry and Meghan twos. And 19 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:38.680 before he make the obvious jokes, yes, we will be 20 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.760 discussing a couple from the United Kingdom named Harry and Meghan, 21 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.040 but they're considerably older than that other Harry and Meghan, 22 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.519 who are always in the news because of their affiliation 23 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.719 with the royal family. Harry and Meghan Toos were an 24 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.680 elderly married couple who lived on a remote farm Indians 25 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.200 seem to have any known enemies until they were both 26 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:58.840 shot to death on their property execution style. 27 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:00.120 Ues. 28 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.920 Has had a daughter named Cheryl, and investigators began to 29 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.400 suspect that her boyfriend, Jonathan Jones, committed the crime so 30 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.560 he could collect on a one hundred and fifty thousand 31 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.800 pounds estate Cheryl inherited from her parents. While Jonathan was 32 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.120 eventually charged and convicted of the murders, the evidence against 33 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.120 him was so weak that his conviction was overturned just 34 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.719 one year after his trial. But of course this begs 35 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.879 the question if Jonathan did not kill the Twoses, then 36 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.159 who did and what could their motive have possibly been 37 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.479 well I originally covered this case on The Trail Went 38 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.759 Cold in August of twenty twenty one, but only a 39 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.759 few weeks before we recorded this episode. There would be 40 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.080 a major development, as it appears that law enforcement has 41 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.479 now set their sights on an all new suspect. But 42 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:48.439 since they have released very few details to the public, 43 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.159 we still don't know who this suspect is or what 44 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.639 evidence investigators might have against them. So I thought it 45 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:56.919 would be a good opportunity for us to revisit this 46 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.039 story and discuss it on the Pathway Chile. 47 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:02.439 Oh my goodness, you got my blood boiling, because when 48 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.120 we talk about a potential wrongful conviction, you guys know 49 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.240 that I'm game for a very heated discussion. So when 50 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.479 we look at this case and you think that the 51 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.199 first person who's a suspect and then later is actually 52 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.199 charged and convicted of the murders, is the boyfriend? Correct 53 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:23.039 me if I'm wrong, But wouldn't her boyfriend's prints belong 54 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.759 in her parents' home. I'm assuming at some point he 55 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.960 had actually gone to the home with her. 56 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.120 Yes, that would be his biggest argument that just because 57 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.719 my thumb print is on a saucer does not really 58 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.280 mean all that much, because he had visited the home 59 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.840 on a couple previous occasions, and of course he even 60 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.639 thought that he might have accidentally touched the saucer after 61 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.400 he arrived at the murder scenes. So if that is 62 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.039 pretty much the strongest evidence that the use against him. 63 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.759 If that pretty much indicates like how weak the case 64 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.199 was against him overall. 65 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.039 That's crazy. I would have thought we were in Florida, 66 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.000 not Wales if we're discussing that week of evidence convicting 67 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.960 you of a murder. But when we look at this, 68 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.840 I mean, that's so true when anytime you have an investigation, 69 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.479 the only time a fingerprint or some kind of forensic 70 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.319 evidence like hair would be a usable piece of evidence 71 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.160 to point towards you being the murderer is if you're 72 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.240 one of those suspects who, in an interrogation is asked, 73 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.360 have you ever been inside the home of Harry and Megan, 74 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.920 and you say never, I have never. I don't know them, 75 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:29.639 I've never associated with them. 76 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.120 And then I can. 77 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.800 Show you a listing of hairs and fingerprints and those 78 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.959 types of pieces of evidence. At that point, now I 79 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.600 have a motive to focus on you and say you 80 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.199 are a primary suspect. But for someone who belongs in 81 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.560 that dwelling, it doesn't hold any water to me. 82 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.680 Yeah, I know we've loved to talk about wrongful convictions, 83 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:52.759 but this will be an interesting one just because it 84 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:55.920 took place in Wales, and there are some differences with 85 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:57.920 the legal system in Wales than they are in the 86 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.680 United States, so it's interesting to see how this wrongful 87 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.199 conviction played out compared to some of the other ones 88 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.120 we've talked about on previous episodes. 89 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.879 Our story begins in nineteen ninety three in Lanhri, a 90 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.240 small village with a population of around three thousand, located 91 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.240 in the county borough of Rohnda Kinantaff in South Wales. 92 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.680 Our central figures are sixty five year old Henry James Twos, 93 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.240 who goes by the name Harry, and his sixty seven 94 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.480 year old wife, Megan Twos. The couple lives on an 95 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.879 isolated six acre sixteenth century farm just a mile outside 96 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.839 of loan Hari. The farm is named Tiarwan, which is 97 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.879 Welsh for house in the meadow, and the Twoses have 98 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.560 lived on the property for over thirty years. After having 99 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.639 worked as a farmer and fruit wholesaler, Harry is now 100 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.120 retired and he and Meghan have one child, a thirty 101 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.800 three year old daughter named Cheryl, who works as a 102 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:59.319 market researcher and lives nearly two hundred miles away in Orpington, 103 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.120 a town low located in the County of Kent in 104 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.040 southeastern Greater London. Cheryl shares a flat with her thirty 105 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.399 three year old boyfriend, Jonathan Jones, and the couple have 106 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.839 been together for over a decade after originally meeting while 107 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:17.480 they were graduate students at the Polytechnic of Wales. On 108 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.920 the morning of Monday, July twenty sixth Harry and Meghan 109 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.000 drove to the post office in Loanhari to collect their 110 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.560 pensions before they stopped at the supermarket to do some shopping, 111 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.439 and a neighbor would see them returning home at around 112 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.680 eleven am. At one thirty pm, another neighbor heard the 113 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.079 sound of two gunshots from the Teseses farm, which occurred 114 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.720 within thirty seconds of each other, but they did not 115 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.279 find this unusual because Harry liked to grow cabbage and 116 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.959 was known for shooting rabbits who showed up in his patch. 117 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.480 But over the course of the next several hours, Cheryl 118 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.079 and another relative both made multiple attempts to call the 119 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.519 Tuess residents, but were unable to reach Harry or Meghan 120 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:01.319 on the phone. Cheryl called her parents virtually every day 121 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.639 and became concerned when she received no answer during the 122 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.439 time period when she knew they would usually be at 123 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:12.480 home watching their favorite soap opera, Coronation Street. Cheryl finally 124 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.439 decided to phone a neighbor named Owen Hopkins and asked 125 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.959 him to check on her parents. When Hopkins arrived at 126 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.839 the farmhouse, he discovered that the front door was unlocked, 127 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:25.759 but the chooses were not inside. The groceries they purchased 128 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.120 on their shopping trip had been unpacked in the kitchen, 129 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.560 and there was a pan on the cooker containing chopped potatoes, 130 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:34.279 which suggested that they were in the midst of preparing 131 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.800 a meal before something happened to them. Hopkins decided to 132 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.519 call the South Wales Police to report the couple missing, 133 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.120 and they soon arrived at the farm and launched a 134 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:44.240 Sir Shepherd. 135 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.240 This is so sad to think about. You have this 136 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.759 idyllic setting and you have this elderly couple who is 137 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.319 at their home doing everyday things. They've gone to the 138 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.639 grocery store, They've put up their groceries, they're in the 139 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.800 middle of making a meal. To me, it seems like 140 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.279 this is just an everyday type of moment for them, 141 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.879 and then somehow they are ambushed and murdered. Do we 142 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.279 know if there's any kind of forced entry, or could 143 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.480 it have been someone who was expected because they're they're 144 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:18.199 living in a very average, normal day as if you know, 145 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.800 they're very comfortable in what they're doing. Do we know 146 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.439 if if any kind of confrontation happened, or do you 147 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.000 think we knew they knew who the person was they 148 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:27.000 came into their residence. 149 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.519 It's always been speculated that they probably invited their killer 150 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.039 inside because there were no signs of forced entry, and 151 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:36.279 as we're going to talk about momentarily the saucer containing 152 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:40.120 the thumbprint which implicated Jonathan Jones, it was part of 153 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:42.559 a tea set that they ordinarily did not bring out 154 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.000 unless they had guests in the house. So it seems 155 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.279 very likely to me that they knew their killer and 156 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.240 was someone that they were on good terms with and 157 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.879 probably did not find to be a threat. But of 158 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.240 course that opened up a whole bunch of questions because 159 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.159 as far as anyone can tell, they did not have 160 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.279 any known enemies. So that's why, to this day, no 161 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.320 one can really figure out what the motive might have 162 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:04.279 been to kill them. So the search for the Tooses 163 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.240 lasted several hours, but during the early morning hours of 164 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.639 July to twenty seventh, Harry's body was discovered inside a 165 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.480 cowshd on the property, and shortly thereafter Megan's body was 166 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.200 found in there as well. Both victims had been shot 167 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.559 in the back of the head execution style with a 168 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.519 twelve bore shotgun, and their bodies were each covered with 169 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.600 a carpet and concealed underneath some hay bales. The evidence 170 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.759 seemed to suggest that Harry had been shot at close 171 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.360 range just inside the cowshed's front door, while Megan was 172 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:35.320 shot outside from three feet away before her body was 173 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.399 dragged in there. There were no signs of forced entry 174 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.080 at the farmhouse and nothing appeared to have been stolen, 175 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.720 leading investigators completely baffled by the motive. A fancy china 176 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.679 teacup and saucer were resting on the dining room table, 177 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.600 next to a milk jug teapot and a sugar bowl 178 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.879 and a magazine. According to everyone who knew them, the 179 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.759 Tooses only brought out this particular teacup whenever they had visitors, 180 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.559 so this seemed to end that the couple invited their 181 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.759 killer inside the house and attempted to serve them tea 182 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.200 before they were ambushed and shot to death. Unidentified pomp 183 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.000 prints were found on the farmyard gate and farmhouse door, 184 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.080 but they did not belong to Harry, Megan, or any 185 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.879 other members of their family and could not be matched 186 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.960 to anyone. Unfortunately, the crime scene was not properly sealed 187 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.679 until several hours after the police's arrival, and evidence was 188 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.200 not preserved, as he initially operated under the assumption that 189 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:32.440 the crime was a murder suicide until they realized that 190 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.120 no gun could be found. Before the bodies were discovered, 191 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.080 some police officers had noticed a small pool of blood 192 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.919 by the farmyard gate, but it was trampled over so 193 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.360 often that it became contaminated and deemed to be useless 194 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:49.799 as evidence. Interestingly enough, about ten months before the murders, 195 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.320 Harry had reported a burglary at the farmhouse and claimed 196 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.799 that his shotgun was stolen. It was never recovered, and 197 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.759 Harry later wound up purchasing a new shotgun, but it 198 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:02.679 was unclear if this theft had any connection to the crime. 199 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.799 Two things this is really frustrating when you look at 200 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.399 the way that the crime scene was treated and there 201 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.639 was an assumption that it was a murder suicide. Imagine 202 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.960 being an officer and the detectives who are sitting there saying, Okay, 203 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.480 we're going to tell this family right that dad killed 204 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.879 mom or mom killed dad, and it is what it is. 205 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.720 We're just gonna go ahead and not preserve this scene, 206 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.240 not try to make sure we know the whole story 207 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.639 to tell the family. Like one of the most devastating 208 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.240 things you can think of the two people you love most, 209 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:34.879 one is killed and one took their own life right 210 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.759 after killing the person that you love. So what a 211 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.480 tragic finale, And like, you know, a conclusion you would 212 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.720 make as a detective to not say, even if that's 213 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.960 the case, let's preserve this crime scene and make sure 214 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.240 that we protect all evidence so that we can have 215 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.039 a clear, accurate story of what happened, right that we 216 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.000 can get to the truth of what happened. That's not 217 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.559 how they approach this scene. They made an assumption, and 218 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.679 it's own as if they kind of disregarded a need 219 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.799 to protect the scene at that point, very very frustrating, 220 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.480 even if it had ended up being a murder suicide. 221 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:11.279 Then look at the details in this case, because they 222 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.519 are inviting somebody, let's say to tea or over for 223 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.639 dinner or coming by to have a chat or something. 224 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.360 They get their nice china out, they've made the tea, 225 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.320 everything sitting out, including the milk, but they're killed out 226 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.440 by the cowshed. So what is it that took them 227 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:31.279 from the home to the cowshed? Was there something they 228 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.679 were going to show this person? Was it a I 229 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.399 forced you out of the home because one day I'm 230 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.240 going to inherit this home. Remember that's their assumption, so 231 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.440 I don't want the murder to have it inside the house. 232 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.000 Was it that they wanted them to be hidden and 233 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.519 their bodies not be in plain view where people would 234 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.639 normally look. What created the scene where that couple invited 235 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.759 someone over and somehow they ended out in that cowshed. 236 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.000 This is so wild to me, the fact that they 237 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.759 operated under that assumption without doing the base sick cursory 238 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.159 search around the bodies to determine whether or not there 239 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.600 was a firearm. There would have had to have been 240 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:09.519 a gun there, because you don't shoot yourself and then 241 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.519 the gun magically runs away. They could have figured that out. 242 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.120 And it also seems odd if it was a murder 243 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.200 suicide that you would be in the midst of doing 244 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:21.480 your dinner, there's a tea set out, so you're in 245 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.000 the home. If it was an impulsive act that one 246 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.559 of them decided to end the other one's life, why 247 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.440 would they go out to the cowshd It just none 248 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.360 of it adds up to murder suicide. 249 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.279 Yeah, Like we always have said many times that a 250 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.559 good police officer should always treat every death scene as 251 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:42.200 a potential homicide at first unless the evidence points otherwise. 252 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.360 And they did not do that here, even though basically 253 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.639 checking the scene to see if there's a gun around 254 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.159 should have been the most basic thing they did. And 255 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:51.799 it'd be one thing if this was a couple that 256 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.039 was known for having a history of domestic violence and arguments. 257 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.120 But they had been married for so many years. As 258 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.759 far as anyone can tell, there renaul issues in their marriage, 259 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.960 So why would they assume this was some murder suicide? 260 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.399 And unfortunately, this lack of preserving the crime scene is 261 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:08.720 one of the reasons why it's taken so long to 262 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:09.399 solve this thing. 263 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.320 And what do you guys think are the chances that 264 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:17.240 somebody was supposed to stop by or do you think 265 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.080 that it's more likely I personally think it's more likely 266 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:25.000 that somebody just stopped by in an impromptu manner, because 267 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.919 if you plan to stop by and you know that 268 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.440 they have a daughter, there's and that they talk to 269 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.679 her every day. If you're somebody that's known to them, 270 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.879 then there's a very high probability that they would tell 271 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.360 their daughter that so and so is coming by for tea. 272 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.879 Yeah. I totally agree that this was probably an unexpected 273 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.159 guest and they just kind of showed up out of nowhere. 274 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.480 But Harry and Meghan, being as polite as they were, 275 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.000 still invited this person inside and offered to serve them tea, 276 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.919 probably because it was someone that they didn't feel threatened by. 277 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.240 So yeah, I do agree that if they had arranged 278 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.399 this ahead of time, I think that Harry or Megan 279 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.639 would have told their daughter in one of their phone conversations. 280 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.960 So after her parents were reported missing, Cheryl wanted to 281 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.799 make the nearly two hundred mile drive to their farmhouse 282 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:13.600 in order to check what was going on. However, because 283 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.000 she had to work the following morning, she asked her 284 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.360 boyfriend Jonathan Jones to drive there instead. Jonathan left at 285 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.559 approximately ten pm on the evening of the twenty sixth 286 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.399 and arrived at around three am on the morning of 287 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.559 the twenty seventh, by which point he was informed by 288 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.240 police that a male body had been found in the cowshed. 289 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.200 Investigators believed that Jonathan aroused suspicion by barely reacting to 290 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.039 the news, as he did not even ask if the 291 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.759 body belonged to Harry, though Jonathan would later attribute this 292 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.759 to being exhausted following the long drive. They also found 293 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.399 it odd that it took Jonathan five hours to make 294 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.919 a drive, which ordinarily would have taken three and a 295 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.000 half hours, but he had made two separate stops at 296 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.360 service stations in order to fuel up his car and 297 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.600 phone Cheryl, and since the weather was rainy, Jonathan said 298 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.159 he was forced to drive slower than usual in order 299 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:09.480 to navigate the dark rural roads. Regardless, the South Wales 300 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.759 police started to focus on Jonathan as a potential suspect. 301 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.320 You know, three and a half hours to five hours 302 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:21.799 in rain and stopping is not that significant. Cheryl's nervous, 303 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.960 but I guarantee you Cheryl did not think her parents 304 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.399 were dead. She probably was like, oh no, I wonder 305 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.320 if like mom got sick and dad took her to 306 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.200 the hospital, or you know what, if something happened to 307 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.120 him and they just didn't have time to reach out 308 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:34.960 to me, can you can you go check on them? 309 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.759 It is nineteen ninety three, right, so like everybody doesn't 310 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.639 have cell phones in the world and everyone's not that accessible. 311 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:45.080 Correct, Yeah, that's correct. Like, isn't to unbelievable that Jonathan 312 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.000 would stop at a service station in order to use 313 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:48.320 a payphone to call Cheryl? 314 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.120 Right, And or my gosh, when I make a five hour, 315 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.559 three and a half hour trip whatever, I'm stopping because 316 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.279 I need some combos, then I need a diet coke, 317 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.080 then I need to go to the bathroom. Right, So 318 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.480 we're definitely stopping. And so if you're stopping it's raining 319 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.319 and you are having to get out and use a 320 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:09.200 payphone to check in with Cheryl, then I don't really 321 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.000 see that much suspicion on a three and a half 322 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.000 hour drive going to five hours. Now, if you're saying 323 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.839 there was like a nine hour gap, if Cheryl said 324 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.400 I got news that my parents are dead, we got 325 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.599 to see if that's true, and there was no urgency, Okay, 326 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.079 but that fact alone makes zero sense to me why 327 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.000 that would heighten him as a main suspect, and then 328 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.119 Jonathan's original reaction. I guarantee you part of that was 329 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:38.279 shock as well. His girlfriend sends him to her parents' 330 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.839 house because something's wrong. Again, you're the one who's going 331 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.880 surely nothing significance wrong. They just aren't answering the phone, 332 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:49.559 and you find out there's a body, so in your head, 333 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.839 you're starting to process that has to be your parents. 334 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.119 How am I going to tell her? There would definitely 335 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:00.200 be a pause, quiet kind of maybe you don't at 336 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:04.160 the immediate reaction. It's not his parents, it's his girlfriend's parents. 337 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.079 And I guarantee you part of him was tired, but 338 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.160 more so he was in shock trying to process. How 339 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:10.680 am I going to communicate this to Cheryl. 340 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.319 I think it's weird that they highlighted that he didn't 341 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.880 react just because people react differently. It was the nineties, right, 342 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.359 so people aren't going to be aware that different people 343 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.279 are going to react in different ways when something traumatic happens, 344 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.640 that there's a wide range of reactions and there is 345 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.160 no like quote unquote typical reaction. And the fact that 346 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.799 he drove a really long time and it's exhausting driving 347 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.640 at night and especially when you factor in the rain 348 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.119 and he's having to make multiple stops to check in. 349 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.640 He's worried about her parents. Cheryl's worried, so he's having 350 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.319 to support her. I think there's a lot of things 351 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.000 going on, and quite frankly, if I were to be 352 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.799 told something like that, I might make the assumption that 353 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.319 if Harry and Megan are missing and you found a body, 354 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.799 that it's going to be Harry's body if you're saying 355 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:04.359 that it's male. 356 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.640 And also there's the wording, like they didn't specifically said 357 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:11.480 that someone has been murdered. They just said we found 358 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.279 a body. So maybe Jonathan's thinking to himself, well, he's 359 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:16.640 an old man. Maybe he walked into the cowshd and 360 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.200 died of a heart attack or something like that. He's 361 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.920 not instantly going to think that, oh, someone blasted him 362 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.640 with a shotgun in there. And I think that if 363 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.000 they had told him that right away, he might have 364 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.480 given off a more shocked reaction. But no, I don't 365 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:31.759 find that to be like compelling evidence that he was 366 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:32.680 hiding information. 367 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.480 Maybe they found it odd that he didn't then ask 368 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.400 about if they found Meghan or if they'd been able 369 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.599 to locate Meghan that he was just told that a 370 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.160 male body had been found, but he didn't inquire further. 371 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.559 I guess, yeah, that might have been why. But like 372 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.240 he said, though, he was exhausted from his three and 373 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.519 a half hour drive, so maybe he just wasn't thinking 374 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.680 clearly well. Months after the murders took place, it was 375 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.839 discovered that Jonathan's thumb print was on the s beneath 376 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.599 the teacup found on the twos' dining room table. Investigators 377 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.119 started formulating a theory that on the day of the crime, 378 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.920 Jonathan made the trip from Orpington to lo on Hari 379 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.839 to visit the farm and was invited inside the house 380 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.160 by Harry and Meghan. They may have been expecting Jonathan 381 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:18.519 to ask for permission to marry their daughter, so to 382 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.000 celebrate the occasion, the twses brought out their special china 383 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.240 to serve Jonathan some tea, but shortly after he touched 384 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:28.640 the saucer, Jonathan shot them both to death and concealed 385 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.359 their bodies inside the cow shed. At the time, Cheryl 386 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.000 was hoping to open her own market research firm, but 387 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.640 she and Jonathan were often in arrears with the rent 388 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.039 and he had less than one hundred pounds in his 389 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.839 bank account, but since Cheryl stood to be the beneficiary 390 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.640 of her parents one hundred and fifty thousand pounds, estate 391 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:50.440 investigators suspected that Jonathan killed them so that she could 392 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.119 inherit the money. Even though there was no other physical 393 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.279 evidence linking Jonathan to the crime and the murder weapon 394 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.799 cannot be found, The South Wales Police arrested Jonathan and 395 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.759 charged with the murders in December of nineteen ninety three. 396 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.880 On what grounds? On what grounds? When you look at this, 397 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:10.680 you have Okay, there's this tea tea set and you 398 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.279 told me that there is a fingerprint on the tea set. 399 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.640 But again, Jonathan's been there before. It is a special 400 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.119 occasion when your boyfriend comes over, and if this is 401 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.240