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<v Speaker 1>You know, looking back at my GoPro didn't really see anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked at my phone camera and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>what's this, and you know, kind of blow it up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I'm like, oh, what is that? That's interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It didn't look like a stump to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not saying it's not a stump. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying it's not a bear, it's not a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks suspicious to me that you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get a sense of the size. I never professed to

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<v Speaker 1>say it is what way it could be? It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a dog man to me, because you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon there after I went I was traveling down in

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<v Speaker 1>the States. I talked to Rob and I talked to them,

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<v Speaker 1>but I talked to the Marvin Kemp, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>elder for the so Calby tribe. Especially indigenous folks are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, oh my gosh. They kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>look away because they think it's an malevolent being creature,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a dog man. It was always an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting picture to me. Again, I'm never going to say

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<v Speaker 1>that that is a dog man, and that is a

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<v Speaker 1>big food but very interesting picture for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you get involved in all of this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to begin with?

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I mean, I'm fifty three at my

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<v Speaker 1>ripe old age of fifty three. Back in my teams,

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<v Speaker 1>I really kind of had a fascination with the paranormal

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<v Speaker 1>and in particular cryptids, and I think that stems from

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of those programs that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us maybe watch back in the day, the six million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar Big fut episode or In Search of with Leonard Nimoy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you kind of move into the unsolved mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>with Robert Stack and anything Sasquatch, anything Yetti was just

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<v Speaker 1>just super interesting at the time. And you know, after that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of this is before the Internet for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you go to the library and just read

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<v Speaker 1>any book you could get your hands on related to

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<v Speaker 1>the subject. And again from UFOs to go again Cryptids

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<v Speaker 1>mostly Lockness Monster and Sasquatch and all that stuff. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just kind of where it stemmed from for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've always been a bit of a storyteller, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know kind of translates into my chosen interest. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>My passion is filmmaking. I work for films to do

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<v Speaker 1>in Vancouver, here, but I chase the filmmaking dream on

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<v Speaker 1>the side and I love storytelling, and it's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blends together.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, did you grow up in British Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. I grew up in a small town called Ladder,

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<v Speaker 1>which we joked, you know, the nickname is town at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the ditch. But it was a farming

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<v Speaker 1>and fishing community, and you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and just outdoor activities. You know, we'd go down

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<v Speaker 1>to the pits and do some washing in the floor

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<v Speaker 1>by force trucks and all that stuff, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time doing it. And I left that

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<v Speaker 1>small little town and you know, went for the big

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<v Speaker 1>city Vancouver and burned being kind of made my way.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, left school a little bit early and

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<v Speaker 1>got into the workforce. For perspective to Lader is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>about thirty minute drive from Vancouver.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming from my perspective of growing up in Oklahoma and

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the United States, I had an introduction

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<v Speaker 2>to Bigfoot and all that stuff very similar as yours.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a few years younger than you. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>watching reruns of In Search of Back then they had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those kind of you know, campy made

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<v Speaker 2>for television documentaries where they would talk about that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, and oh man, I was hooked. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved mysteries too, would scour the libraries looking for books

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<v Speaker 2>on the subject. And back then all this stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of umped in together in the same section, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times in the same books. You had

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<v Speaker 2>ghosts and UFOs and the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot all

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<v Speaker 2>in the same category. Pretty much other than that, other

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<v Speaker 2>than my own interest, which I didn't know any other

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<v Speaker 2>kids that were interested in that stuff, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>hear about Bigfoot or anything in Oklahoma. It was on

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<v Speaker 2>into adulthood before I even realized that, like, oh this

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that branches out much farther than the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest. But in my mind, I know, Washington State,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is considered that, you know, the Bigfoot capital

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, But British Columbia is always what comes to

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<v Speaker 2>my mind is the mecca. I mean, did you hear

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<v Speaker 2>Sasquatch stories? Was that part of culture as you were

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<v Speaker 2>growing up?

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<v Speaker 1>It was? I mean, and you know what running parallel

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<v Speaker 1>to you too, It's just what you would kind of

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<v Speaker 1>give them the library, your friends, my friends not so

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<v Speaker 1>much interested, but you know, throughout your you know, early

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<v Speaker 1>childhood into your teens and maybe even twenties when you

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<v Speaker 1>would go to museums or galleries any of that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. There's a strong indigenous element here too, with

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<v Speaker 1>multiple nations. So you know, whether you're going to Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>on Vancouver Island, which is our capital of British Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>or any of the local museums around here. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>close to me, there's always those Sasquatch mass the Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>lore and what it means to their communities and their

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<v Speaker 1>nations and each nation. I mean, I know that goes

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<v Speaker 1>down across North America as well, which each nation has

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<v Speaker 1>like a different name for the creature.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Oklahoma is well known for its its native culture obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but the tribal stuff like in the museums and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I visited several of them as a child, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>just Native American museums, and there wasn't really that element

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<v Speaker 2>present here.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just always imagine, you know, like I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>like the old photographs of you know, the statues and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in British Columbia and like they're the welcome sign

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<v Speaker 2>of Harrison, Hot Springs, the Big Neon Bigfoot. We're in

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<v Speaker 2>a top hat and I just thought, oh, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I think you're read it's funny too. The Pattison

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<v Speaker 1>Gimblin film. I mean, I think that's something we all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of grew up with that was kind of like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's that's out there, and you know, it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>with and I'll share that later where I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how how serious that the general public takes those things too.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're right about Washington State and then PC. But

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of mentioned too, is like most of the

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny when you walk into those museums and you

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<v Speaker 1>see a Sasquatch mask or a Sasquatch literature related to

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous nations that you're just gonna walk by and you wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's there. That's something that they've been talking about. That's

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<v Speaker 1>part of their you know, their legends and law, which

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<v Speaker 1>is their truth to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now did you follow filmmaking into the Sasquatch world?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's kind of you know, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to I went to Vancouver Film School in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four and I didn't take life too seriously. But

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<v Speaker 1>I went back in two thousand and three and I

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<v Speaker 1>took you know, scriptwriting and a little budge of producing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very tough industry to crack into. A tall

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<v Speaker 1>about persistence. But what was kind of neat for me

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<v Speaker 1>going to films, you know, to film school as a

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<v Speaker 1>returning adult, was being able to try and tell some

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<v Speaker 1>of those stories and play with the equipment to do it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I did a I was a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Coast to Coast with Art Bell back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a wealth of inform wealth of stories with his programs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did a little short film called Sounds from Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of exciting, fun to do, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough to get funding to do these programs. So

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<v Speaker 1>after film school, I ended up working in film production

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<v Speaker 1>in the locations department for just a spell, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that to chase the almighty filmmaking dream, I

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<v Speaker 1>needed a better work life bounce. So I worked for

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<v Speaker 1>a company that rented equipment to people in the film Mystory,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I kind of carried on, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend happens, and a wife happens, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>kid happens, right, and you kind of like forget about

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<v Speaker 1>why you got into this in the beginning, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably been in the last it's probably been og is

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<v Speaker 1>probably since like twenty thirteen fourteen is where I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try and tell those stories. And they

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<v Speaker 1>joke with a lot of friends where I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm eighty years old and haven't sold a TV

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<v Speaker 1>series or a feature film. You know, it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>chase and the persistence of it. But for me, it

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<v Speaker 1>was that kind of started off with meeting doctor Melbaketchum

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty fifteen, which kind of like ignited and

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<v Speaker 1>re sparked the interest for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that was a major deal, a major deal

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<v Speaker 2>back then. How did that come about?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, again it's we're both fans of the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of subject of course again, you're still trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get your hands on any documentary or TV series, books,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've kind of found over the years where there's

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<v Speaker 1>these really bad B or C grade horror movies about

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot or Sasquatch, and then there's a bunch of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of call them unscripted TV series that kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>the same people doing the same things, and that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, teaching their own for that, But Alma, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of those guys that I'm not scared

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<v Speaker 1>to knock on anybody's door just to say hi. So

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<v Speaker 1>I reached out to her. I think it was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen ish after reading about the Bigfoot genome project and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of the controversy around it, and she kind

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<v Speaker 1>of went silent for quite a few years because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was back in two thousand and eight that

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<v Speaker 1>they did the genome project, and to reach out to

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<v Speaker 1>her social media wise and reconnected and we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>had a couple back and forth messages and then we've

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<v Speaker 1>you know, called and just really hit it off. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was funny because as I'm trying to chase my

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaking dreams scripted and unscripted, she had told me that

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote a five book series called The Phantom Forest Saget,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of like a Twilight meets Tarzan and

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<v Speaker 1>it was an interesting story and I kind of said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was funny because it was set in Nanaimo,

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<v Speaker 1>British Columbia, which is just on Vancouver Island. But I

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<v Speaker 1>thought there was some serendipity there about the British Columbia piece,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, over that time frame we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got to be you know, fast friends and talk shop

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of I kind of realized over time

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<v Speaker 1>that it seemed like she was a bit blacklisted and

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<v Speaker 1>her career was, you know, reputation was smeared within the

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<v Speaker 1>community because kind of what I gather as she told

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<v Speaker 1>me her story that she didn't believe in bigput She

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<v Speaker 1>was a DNA geneticist, mostly for animals, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Gates Expedition Unknown sent some samples and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>supposed tissue samples and hair samples for the blind studies,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a smart thing to do. She got some

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<v Speaker 1>of those and she had an oh my god moment

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<v Speaker 1>because DNA quote unquote doesn't lie. So she kind of

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<v Speaker 1>became a believer after that. And then of course hooked up.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's another serendipity. Pieces. Part of the Ericson project

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<v Speaker 1>or the Bigfoot Genome project was with a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Erickson out of Asoyus, British Columbia, which is in

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<v Speaker 1>So again there's just so many little cute, little puzzle

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<v Speaker 1>of the people that you don't see on those TV series.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that was interesting to me. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>about the DNA sty But it just kind of tapered

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<v Speaker 1>on the White House lawn. Half the population wouldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>and bobs where a woman proved at DNA wise, But that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just my opinion, dangerous waters talking about melbketchup. She is

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<v Speaker 1>Right, No, I hear you. Well, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>with their hypothesis, you know that Sasquatch is not an ape.

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<v Speaker 1>missing link in the traditional sense. You know, she really

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<v Speaker 1>material line from the Homo sapiens mothers like fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, you know, and the paternal DNA from an

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean again, you kind of have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the science. You know, doesn't if the science

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<v Speaker 1>to retest it, and who's doing that and see anybody

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<v Speaker 1>But what was good for me was I was going

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<v Speaker 1>of a vindication piece for her, and I picked up

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<v Speaker 1>of in her inner circle. And that was twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I traveled down to South Carolina and Robin Hayines, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of hers, and she believed, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to read we're going to revisit the science,

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<v Speaker 1>of people out there that does that but to just

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I've always kind of my jam is going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet maybe like, as an example, you Matt, like,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you, What's what's your experience? Would you? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and meet them in person. That's just always such so

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<v Speaker 1>to meet Robin and hear her and interview her about

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<v Speaker 1>the mind Speak. And I was fortunate enough to go

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<v Speaker 1>down to your neck of the woods Choctaw as an Ob, Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Troy Hudson, I'm sure if you know him, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and just learn a bit more about his research and

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<v Speaker 1>experiences in the in the region. Of course, ended up

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<v Speaker 1>of days with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I've spent time in that location as well. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a good friend down there, a few good friends.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a blast. I somehow convinced my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>part part investigator series.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely different than British Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. I we had such a blast travel

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<v Speaker 1>to your neck of the woods too. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>the rolling hills, especially in Oklahoma, it was just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people were so nice and friendly, and again

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<v Speaker 1>it was I think those experiences were less so Jason

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<v Speaker 1>being out with night vision cameras at three o'clock in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning and forest and just hearing about their stories,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing their evidence if they had any, and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that eye to eye conversation with them, which was

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<v Speaker 1>amazing for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like, obviously I have a podcast. I get that

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<v Speaker 2>passion for storytelling. I share that I'm really into the stories.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I chose this format where I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 2>people and letting them share their stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I am a fan of your podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it quite often.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I appreciate you. But you know, back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a lot of time around a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>campfires and out in the woods with people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing the research side of thing. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>best times we're sitting around the campfire, hearing the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>talking with people you know, and like, like you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>getting away from the computer and meeting the people in person,

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<v Speaker 2>it changes the dynamics so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And absolutely, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think a lot of the conflicts that happened in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot world would go away if the people were just

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<v Speaker 2>face to face and just actually meeting the person that

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking to and hearing them tell their story and

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<v Speaker 2>explain their side of things without getting all upset and

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, being a keyboard warrior and just flaming

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<v Speaker 2>on people.

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<v Speaker 1>D percent. Yeah, there seems to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of inner fighting amongst us at times, which is if

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<v Speaker 1>we all pulled our resources together, we'd probably get a

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of stuff were you doing? You were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about putting on night vision and hitting the woods. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you do a lot of that stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that was kind of that particular trip was less

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<v Speaker 1>so of that and just actually talking to people. So

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, being in South Carolina and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing Robin talk about mind speak in the moment and

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<v Speaker 1>what these creatures were saying and talking about. Now but

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<v Speaker 1>ketch him on the science in the DNA Troy in Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talk about the twelve footers you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>his property, and it was you know, kind of to

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<v Speaker 1>your point. It was like a lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the bigger the further north you get, the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger they get. Hence British Columbia that there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them are called the tall ones, which is

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<v Speaker 1>you get your eight to twelve footers maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people say larger. But it was nice to also

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<v Speaker 1>meet I was in Washington State and met the hereditary

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<v Speaker 1>chief for the snow call Me tribe, Marvin comp and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just good to hear, you know, those indigenous legends

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<v Speaker 1>and more quote unquote are their truth, their stories that

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<v Speaker 1>they used to trade with these creatures that they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't grow past, you know, don't go out unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody else, don't go out at night because I think,

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<v Speaker 1>in my humble opinion, in my experience and research with this,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a malevolence and a belevolence factor from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. We can get into the David Plaidy's stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know as well the Missing four one one stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm huge fan of the series, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>believe some of that stuff. And it was nice to

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<v Speaker 1>get in front of people like mitche Townshend and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a book and he's done a couple of documentaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry panels on the indentations like teethmarks on bones, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that could be you know, two, three, four times

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<v Speaker 1>the size of the human beings. So and then kind

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<v Speaker 1>of finally and then finally leaf Ford, he's a again.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of nice that Melba introduced me to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these folks Leif I met in California

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of furthers sparked, you know, the interest

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<v Speaker 1>in me. And he was a professor of psychology and

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<v Speaker 1>I was interviewing him, going to his experiences and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had mentioned Jason in some cases there's more

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<v Speaker 1>evidence for Sasquatch or Bigfoot than there is for people

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<v Speaker 1>that are incarcerated in prison right now. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>had a moment when you said that where it actually

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<v Speaker 1>gave birth to another TV series idea I have. But

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<v Speaker 1>it also was like, you know what, he's not totally wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>circumstantial or not. I think it's just amazing the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence there. But again it's just the general public.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we trying to convince everybody? Because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's ever going to happen. And then kind of finally,

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<v Speaker 1>with my journey too is well not finally a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of it is and Melby introduced me to a gentleman,

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Briston. He's got a YouTube channel out there could

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<v Speaker 1>be a great guest for you. Actually, one day he's

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<v Speaker 1>been out in Maple Ridge area, which is twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>it drive for me equivalentment now pretty close to places

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<v Speaker 1>like Golden Ears. Just amazing. He's the Lakota and just

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<v Speaker 1>I spent the last og is like five plus years

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<v Speaker 1>with him and we go with every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while and we find our glyphs, and we find our

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<v Speaker 1>structures and we find their prints and on and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on. So it's been quite the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wanted to get into some of that. You

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<v Speaker 2>sent me some pictures earlier, and he sent me some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting stuff. Before we get to that one photo,

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<v Speaker 2>you sent me some pictures of what appeared to be

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<v Speaker 2>we'll call them rock formations. What's the story behind those?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's kind of the rinse repeate recycle thing

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And when you when you get out there too,

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<v Speaker 1>is I mean barring seeing you know, eyeshine at night

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<v Speaker 1>or any vocalizations or any that kind of stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always things. There's I know that there's a there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a sub sect of the big community that really buys

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<v Speaker 1>into the glyphs, like rocks being a certain way or

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<v Speaker 1>sticks being put a certain way that there's a communication

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. I hadn't really gone down that rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>hole too much of them, you know, maybe sure could

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<v Speaker 1>could be and then you know it's you really have

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<v Speaker 1>to go off the being track. I mean, there was

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<v Speaker 1>that school I thought that some people think like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty k or miles into the bush taxially sees

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<v Speaker 1>anything quote unquote. But in my experience and everybody I

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<v Speaker 1>have talked to, these creatures are closer than you think,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they you don't have to go out,

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<v Speaker 1>So anytime I do go out, you know, spend you know,

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<v Speaker 1>half a day on it, go with Randy or a

420
00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.880
<v Speaker 1>couple of other friends and just go on like walk

421
00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>about so that I like to call them and we

422
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:09.160
<v Speaker 1>do go off the beaten track within reason. But it's

423
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<v Speaker 1>just the amount of stick structures that are out there

424
00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>you kind of get back into that is there somebody

425
00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>actually walk you know, going out there and hoaxing and

426
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>making stick structures. You kind of have to dive into

427
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the evidence of it and they really kind of sit

428
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.440
<v Speaker 1>back and look at how did those rocks get there?

429
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>How did they get form like that? Could that have

430
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<v Speaker 1>been a human being? Could that have been an animal?

431
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Same with six stick structures. Again, I've been a big

432
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.480
<v Speaker 1>fan of there's so much stuff on YouTube these days

433
00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.279
<v Speaker 1>to kind of like help you dissect that stuff. To

434
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Les Stroud, who is Survivor Man has a couple of

435
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Big Pot episodes up here from British Columbia. You know,

436
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Randy is Randy who I mentioned goes out with him

437
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>every once in a while. But yeah, I mean there's

438
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>just it's right out there, you know what I mean,

439
00:23:55.319 --> 00:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Like those kind of that kind of evidence out there.

440
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.519
<v Speaker 1>And I've been out there as well when I've gotten

441
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the the sounds of the forest quiet, you know, quiet

442
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 1>to nothing where you know it's loud one moment and

443
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing. You could hear a pin drop, you know,

444
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>in the forest. I've been out there with and I've

445
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 1>heard cracks. There's been a couple of times where we

446
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.599
<v Speaker 1>because there's you know, are these some people think Bigfoot

447
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.160
<v Speaker 1>or sasquatch could be dimensional, it could be you know

448
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever you kind of think We've heard some people think

449
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that they come in and out of portholes. We've heard

450
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 1>cracks like above them beyond, like tree breaks and tree

451
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>cracks that like come from above, and then a weird

452
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>vibe and a weird feeling after that. So I don't know,

453
00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like going on a rabbit hole myself.

454
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, No, you're fine. That's what we're here for. Rabbit

455
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 2>holes are welcome. The photos of the rock formations. Do

456
00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you happen to us where there are rocks in the area.

457
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>In some cases and a good great point in some

458
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<v Speaker 1>cases no, you know, so somebody has taken in and

459
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a good point. That's where you kind of have to

460
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>do your detective work. You have to kind of look

461
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>around the area see if there's other rocks. I will

462
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.039
<v Speaker 1>be honest, and more often than not there are. So

463
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>anybody in their grandmother there could have put that rock

464
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:24.039
<v Speaker 1>formation there. But in some cases we have been up

465
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>top of a you know, nothing but moss and trees,

466
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>zero rocks pretty much, and then these you know, six, seven, eight, nine,

467
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.599
<v Speaker 1>ten rocks kind of put in a formation. How did

468
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>they get up there? You know, it's a lot of

469
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>work for somebody to do. To just hoax.

470
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've seen a lot of pictures of rock

471
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>cairns over the years. You know that hikers stack rocks.

472
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>That's not an uncommon thing. And you know, there's always

473
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<v Speaker 2>the argument whenever people say, you know, well people never

474
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>go there, Well, you're a person and you're there, so

475
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.200
<v Speaker 2>it's not impossible that another person was there. But these,

476
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't I didn't recognize anything that stood

477
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 2>out as any sort of hiking marker of any kind.

478
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 2>These weren't rock stackings. With your permission, I might put

479
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.559
<v Speaker 2>the photos on the YouTube upload of this just so

480
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 2>people can actually see what I'm talking about. I just

481
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.039
<v Speaker 2>found them interesting because I mean, obviously, going out looking

482
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>for bigfoot stuff and bigfoot evidence, if you see something

483
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.200
<v Speaker 2>like that, it registers as potential bigfoot evidence. But if

484
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 2>you were just an average person, not thinking Bigfoot at all,

485
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and you were walking through the forest somewhere and you

486
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>came across this, you know, circle of rocks or whatever

487
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.599
<v Speaker 2>with sticks or ranged a certain way, I mean, that

488
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 2>would probably be pretty scary. It would probably stop you

489
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in your tracks for a second. And just because if

490
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>it was a person, what the hell were they doing

491
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>out there with rocks and doing that. I mean it's

492
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>almost rich style. Yeah, it's kind of got like that

493
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>whole witchcraft CULTI vibe to it. So yeah, I just

494
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:16.240
<v Speaker 2>found those really interesting. Is there anything that stood out

495
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 2>about that particular location to make it unique or anything

496
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:23.039
<v Speaker 2>as far as like activity or sounds or anything.

497
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 1>That particular area where those were done, that is where

498
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, the group that I go up with feels

499
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 1>that they you know, the activity is prevalent in that area,

500
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's you know, all those kind of warning

501
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>signs quote unquote that I mentioned happened where we've heard cracks,

502
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>we've heard the sounds of the forest go down, very

503
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>calm and obviously in this genre, right, so you know,

504
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and again it's that is not too far from a

505
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>camp site, but far enough where it's like, I don't

506
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>we don't think anybody would go. That's why we made

507
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 1>that our spot.

508
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's weird, man. There was an investigation I was

509
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 2>part of adjacent to a very long time ago. It

510
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>got some publicity. It was done in Paris, Texas, and

511
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of weird stuff going on down there,

512
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and one of the things that I remember in particular

513
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.920
<v Speaker 2>was there was a rock formation similar to the one

514
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the ones that you showed me a picture of,

515
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 2>but it was it was larger. And I mean, of course,

516
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 2>at the time you're going into an investigation on somebody's property,

517
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>there's lots of claims being made, there's some pretty incredible

518
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>evidence being presented, so you have to go in being

519
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of skeptic and like keeping your eyes open for

520
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 2>any kind of tomfoolery, you know how people are. And

521
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 2>so I'm looking for all that stuff, and they're showing,

522
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, here's this rock formation we told you about,

523
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's off in the woods behind their property and everything,

524
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we stood there looking at it for

525
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>probably about five minutes, and I'm like walking around it

526
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and I'm seeing a very specific pattern

527
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:28.799
<v Speaker 2>to it, and nobody is nobody there that owned the

528
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>properties seemed to be aware of this pattern. They weren't

529
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>pointing it out to me, they weren't pushing me in

530
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the direction of discovery or anything. But it was a

531
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>medicine will, and it was a medicine will fashion in

532
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the shape of what I would consider a thunderbird. I

533
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.039
<v Speaker 2>had seen this sort of thing, you know, in books

534
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of like terreg listening of rocks for Native Americans and

535
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But from their angle that they were

536
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>looking at, because you walk it, it was upside down,

537
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.160
<v Speaker 2>so they didn't ever notice that, and they just saw

538
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 2>it as like some rocks sticking off to the side

539
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 2>and everything. But if you walked around on the other side,

540
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. It was a very crude, fashioned one, you know.

541
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like perfect or anything. It wasn't drawn. It

542
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>was made with rocks in a shape. And that was

543
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the first time where I kind of took a step back,

544
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>as there's something more going on here. This isn't you know,

545
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>an undiscovered primate doing this, and why do we have

546
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>this overlap with Native American stuff going on? Who's doing this?

547
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 2>You know? And it was just I don't know, it

548
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 2>was kind of I would say it changed the course

549
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe not necessarily of my belief system, but the course

550
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>of my my own investigation into this stuff. Where are

551
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you at whenever it comes to that sort of thing

552
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 2>like where are you standing currently? As what these things

553
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>are and what these things do?

554
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>It's funny you mentioned that too. Great way I put it, it

555
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>sounded like that event was impactful for you. We just

556
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>finished watching a documentary called The Flash of Beauty last

557
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>night for the I think the second or third time,

558
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's just as you were kind of talking about

559
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 1>those getting the cliffs and rock structures and what it

560
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>could mean, and it reminded me of crop circles in

561
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the UFO genre as well. Right, it just feels like

562
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 1>there's a sort of a communication there too. And in

563
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the documentary last night, they were talking about, you know,

564
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>in the indigenous people's you know, they're a little bit

565
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>more in tune to communication. Maybe then we are question mark, right,

566
00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's just it's just and sometimes they're just

567
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>messing with us that, you know. It's just it's an

568
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>interesting topic to kind of come up with. Just when

569
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>when I thought that, when I thought sabsquatch could be

570
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a you know, jig antipithecuss And then you get into

571
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the just the paranormal stuff side of it too, Like

572
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know there's a gal I can't remember

573
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>her name, but there was some video footage of what

574
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>looked like the Predator where like that the shine or

575
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the glimmer as they say that barbershop right exactly, and

576
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, there are species of animals now

577
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>that have those camouflage kind of characteristics, So why couldn't

578
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Jake Antipithecus have that? But then you just get into

579
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the I know Ramya, you know Randy,

580
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, you know, following tracks and into the

581
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>middle of a field, and then they stopped where did

582
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.799
<v Speaker 1>it go? Following track into a huge tree? And they

583
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>stop at this huge tree and you hear a knock

584
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>within the tree, and you knock back, and you get

585
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 1>a knock back within the tree. So there's a there

586
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>just has to be a paranormal element to this. I

587
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, nobody is an experts, but everybody is an expert,

588
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 1>so it's really difficult to say. You know, it's just

589
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 1>there's moments where I just I do think they could

590
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>be dimensional. What does that mean. It's a tough one

591
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 1>because I believe that there's they have to be flesh

592
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and blood as well as because you we all we

593
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 1>do get some of the evidence, we do get some

594
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of the samples, right, So it's a tough one. I

595
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>do want to shake one's hand one day at least

596
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the belevolent ones say Hi, how's it going? What's up?

597
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Let me know when you do that.

598
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Have you had any good sightings, good you know,

599
00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>good moments. Yeah? Yeah.

600
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>I had two sidings and I believe a third, But

601
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>the third one was not anything I can absolutely confirm.

602
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>It was also my best sighting, which is kind of weird,

603
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 2>but some reason, I couldn't see the head and it

604
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 2>was on all fours. Whenever something's not on two legs

605
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and you don't see its head, you can't confirm what

606
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 2>it is, you know. Yeah, the first two. The first

607
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>one was a face. I was looking at it from

608
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>like thirty yards away through a night vision rifle scope

609
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>not attached to a rifle, which had a little bit

610
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>of magnification to it. I mean, I stared at it.

611
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>So it was an amazing sighting. And then I had

612
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>another one that was just absolutely random, just right place

613
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 2>at right time, which lasted just a matter of a

614
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 2>fraction of seconds. It was just it came walking out

615
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 2>of the bush. I believe it was chasing after some

616
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 2>insects underneath a like an outdoor light on a bathroom

617
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>in a campground area, and I just happened to be

618
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>standing in the right location, just staring off into space,

619
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and I saw it with my periphial vision. There wasn't

620
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of brush or anything obscuring it. It was

621
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>probably fifty yards away or so. And as I turned

622
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>my head to look directly at it, it's like it

623
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>realized I was there, did a one eighty spin and

624
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>dove like Superman back into the brush and took off.

625
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>No, man, that's awesome.

626
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 2>It was only like maybe four foot tall, four and

627
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a half foot tall. It was not big at all.

628
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was actually on I guess you would call

629
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>it a research outing. I was meeting up with other

630
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>research partners of mine and they were at an adjacent campsite,

631
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 2>and I had walked away from them just to get

632
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>away from the fire and the sound and everything. And

633
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I was actually smoking a cigarette at the time. I

634
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>used to smoke, and I was just standing off there

635
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>smoking a cigarette. And I think that that may have

636
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>had something to do with it, because the campsite that

637
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>they were at didn't have the view that I had.

638
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I had the angle, and I was in the dark.

639
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>There was no campfire, it was an empty campsite and everything,

640
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>and I think it just got caught slipping. I think

641
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.079
<v Speaker 2>that's honestly all it was. But whenever I saw it,

642
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and it dove back into the brush. I immediately started

643
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>yelling and running towards it, and everybody else joined me

644
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>with spotlights and everything, and we ran down there and

645
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing, I mean, no movement.

646
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

647
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean it obviously have been able to get out

648
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>of there very quickly into the darkness, but it's still

649
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>just it was quite an experience. But yeah, I can imagine.

650
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine. That's that's the one I'm always like,

651
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing as much as I do, or we do.

652
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, like I have had many moments of like

653
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the quote unquote evidence that I've seen,

654
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't amount a much to a lot of people.

655
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>But that's fine. But the less so being paced out

656
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>of a certain area, but hearing wood cracks and then

657
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>getting closer feelings of being watched. That's kind of like,

658
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 1>that's almost exciting. That's my roller coaster ride. Sometimes I

659
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>chagrin to the day that I get the sense of

660
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>dread feeling like that sounds really really bad. I don't

661
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>know if you've ever experienced that, and I haven't yet,

662
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 1>and I hope that I don't. That one sounds pretty bad.

663
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>There's been a couple of times. One time I had

664
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to leave an area and I made everybody, like everybody

665
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>had to pack up and leave. It was a horrible experience.

666
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it was Bigfoot related. It might

667
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 2>have been something paranormal that's completely separate from this, just

668
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 2>because of the history of the area and everything. But

669
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.519
<v Speaker 2>it was really bad. It was full on, I'm sick,

670
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I have to go, I'm about to pass out. And

671
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 2>then there was another time whenever I was in my

672
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 2>main area that I had been in a thousand times,

673
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and it was just a situation where me and my

674
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 2>friend hit that wall that people talk about yep, and

675
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 2>we only had the option of going forward. We couldn't

676
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 2>go backwards. We had to. We were in the dark

677
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>on a trail, no flashlight, nothing on us to do

678
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 2>any sort of illumination, and the rest of our group

679
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was on the opposite side of a creek and on

680
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>up the trail from us, and we were meeting up

681
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>with them, so we would have had to have backtrack

682
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and crossed a creek, and it just wasn't an option,

683
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>so we had to push forward through it. And it

684
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>was frightening, man, it was frightening, but everything worked out.

685
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Everything was fine. I never saw we didn't see anything.

686
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>It was we're looking at a track next to the creek,

687
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and there was something on the opposite side of the

688
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 2>trail from us that we could hear in the brush

689
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>something growled. And then shortly after that is whenever we

690
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 2>hit that invisible wall where it was just like, oh God,

691
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 2>we cannot this is bad.

692
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy with those you know whatever you want

693
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to call them powers or superpowers that they have, like

694
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 1>again to the grouse, the cloaking, if it is, if

695
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>they are answered dimensional, the on and of the smells

696
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that that infrasound. Randy who has mentioned earlier

697
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 1>they were out him and his friend wrote at the

698
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>UBC research for us and they got, in their words,

699
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>zapped by the infrasound and they were basically like they

700
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 1>were crawling back. It just sounded absolutely horrible, not even

701
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>be able to walk. So they can really they can

702
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 1>really get.

703
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.039
<v Speaker 2>You, Yeah for sure. And I don't you know that

704
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just more questions, you know everything. It's like there's

705
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>plenty of stuff, there's plenty of evidence, there's plenty of experiences,

706
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 2>but no questions actually answered great point.

707
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>How do we get those questions answer?

708
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. You're

709
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>the guest. How do we answer those questions? What are

710
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 2>you doing to answer them?

711
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Well? I think for me, I'm going to just kind of,

712
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I am going to continue to cobble together

713
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>my little documentary piece and you know, kind of keep

714
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>playing the genre. I don't you know, I don't know

715
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>anybody that's going to have the almighty footage, you know,

716
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 1>to change the entire population's mind. But I think if

717
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>we continue to kind of keep shipping away at it,

718
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.280
<v Speaker 1>shipping away at it, I mean in the UFO circle,

719
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 1>you kind of see that is the government taking it

720
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 1>a bit more serious? Are they coming out with like

721
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 1>we don't know what these things are, but at least

722
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>their knowledge again, so you know, is that a path

723
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.199
<v Speaker 1>or a big put in sasquatch as well? Sure? But

724
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>if we don't, it's a collaborative thing and it's a

725
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>collective thing. So I think the more people that get

726
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>interested in it, the more people that go out, the

727
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 1>more evidence that we collect. Maybe it's a matter of time,

728
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 1>you know that one day it kind of comes out,

729
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 1>somebody gets the next Patterson game will mind you. That's

730
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 1>being looked at now too. With the controversy out.

731
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>There, I'm going to have to do an episode on

732
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that at some point, please please do it. I'm still collecting.

733
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I've had several people reach out to me ask me,

734
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, hey, are you going to talk about this.

735
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I am going to talk about it. I'm just not ready.

736
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm still collecting my thoughts. Some things behind the scenes

737
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>are in the works. I'm waiting to hear back for

738
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 2>some My needles not moving until I see the footage

739
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>for myself. I can promise you that too. Yes, me too,

740
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.519
<v Speaker 2>But you know there's still things that need to be addressed,

741
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 2>uh for sure. And yeah, I'll be talking about it

742
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>at some point. I just don't know when everybody else

743
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.239
<v Speaker 2>can enjoy the ride and make content off of it.

744
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Right now. I'm fine with that. I don't. You know,

745
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I have more investment in this than coming up with

746
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a podcast episode. You know, I didn't get in this

747
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 2>for podcasting. I got into podcasting because of this.

748
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>So.

749
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not that's not the jo for everybody. There's a

750
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there that you know, this just

751
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 2>happens to be the topic that their podcast discusses, which

752
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 2>is fine there. You know a lot of people do

753
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>great that way. For me, I've got much more emotional

754
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>investment in this than just that.

755
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Very cool, that's the way to do it.

756
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>So what's up with that picture?

757
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Man? Well, on that picture, I mean, that's kind of

758
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>like my best I'm not even saying what it is.

759
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, you and your audience can kind of like,

760
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, come to your own conclusions. I was trying

761
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>to get, you know, working in the day job in

762
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the film industry, and I was telling some of my

763
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 1>colleagues about it, and I said, hey, they have there's

764
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 1>a Sasquatch tour out at Sasquatch Provincial Park getting name.

765
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's about two hours away and a half

766
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 1>hours hours away from us. And so I was gonna,

767
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was, you know, paid the money and

768
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go. And the company kind of like

769
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>floundered with the whole process. So I said, well, le's

770
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the four of us go on with is me than Sam,

771
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 1>colleagues from working then my wife Cole. So we all

772
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.079
<v Speaker 1>all took a road trip and we drove through and

773
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I had my little go you know, go pro. They weren't.

774
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not going to say I'm a fanatic, but

775
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>they weren't as they knew about it. My wife is

776
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty much scared to go camping these days because of

777
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>all the podcasts out there, yours included, So thank you

778
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 1>for that. All right, it's okay, but she's she's a believer.

779
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.079
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny. On all of our road trips anywhere

780
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.559
<v Speaker 1>anywhere we know there's been a story or setting on

781
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>any of the popular podcasts that we listened to, we

782
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>try we make a point to go to those locations

783
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>because we're crazy like that, not less so stay over

784
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>on her side. Anyway, So we went and we did

785
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 1>this trip and I had my goal Pro and I'm

786
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>doing my thing. I didn't really see anything. We didn't

787
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 1>go too much off the beaten track, and it's you know,

788
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a huge, huge, you know area that Sasquat Provincial Park,

789
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.519
<v Speaker 1>of course, So we kind of did our thing, didn't

790
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>see anything. It was kind of towards the end of

791
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the day and I had used up all my I

792
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 1>had used up my card on my goal Pro, so

793
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, shoot, they may they'll take a couple of

794
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 1>pictures on the way out and I used to run

795
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 1>run with the Vancouver Paranormal Society back in to the

796
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 1>early two thousands, because I thought I'd do this you

797
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>know TV series that with the ragtag group of people

798
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 1>that never went anywhere. But that's besides the point. So

799
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I did what's called kind of control shots, and I

800
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 1>take some pictures as a driving out and took about like,

801
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty pictures and didn't think anything of it,

802
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and went home, dropped off my friends sitting you know,

803
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 1>looking back at my go pro, didn't really see anything,

804
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>looked at my you know, phone camera, and I'm like,

805
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, what's this, and you know, kind of

806
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 1>blow it up a little bit, and I'm like, oh,

807
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:57.639
<v Speaker 1>what is that? That's interesting? And I mean, I you

808
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>probably saw my postings. I did post it online many

809
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>many years ago. That was twenty nineteen, and this is

810
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of a late twenty nineteen ish and then of

811
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.239
<v Speaker 1>course months later we get into COVID and blah blah blah.

812
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 1>But it just, I don't know, it didn't look like

813
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>a stump to me. You know, I'm not saying it's

814
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 1>not a stump. I'm not saying it's not a bear

815
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 1>it's not a dog, it's you know, it looks suspicious

816
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to me. And what's interesting is, you know, the timing

817
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 1>was interesting that you can kind of get a sense

818
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>of the size. So I sent you a few pictures

819
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 1>to kind of show you, like how far away it

820
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was and kind of get it closer in to kind

821
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>of again get a sense of the size. And I never,

822
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I never professed to say it is what way it

823
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 1>could be. It looks like a dog man to me,

824
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 1>but that's just my opinion. And then when I brought

825
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.159
<v Speaker 1>it up, you can imagine, soon there after I went,

826
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I was traveling down the States. I talked to Robin,

827
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Melman, I talked to the Marvin Camp

828
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 1>from the you know, Sokhombi tribe, you know, the elder

829
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>for the Socolby tribe. And they are, you know, especially

830
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>indigenous folks are kind of like, oh my gosh. They

831
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of like look away because they think it's a

832
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:11.039
<v Speaker 1>malevolent being creature. Yeah, kind of like a dog man.

833
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And so it was always an interesting picture to me. Again,

834
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm never going to say that that is a dog

835
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>man or that is a bigfoot, but very interesting picture

836
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>for me.

837
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Picture a side. Where are you at with dog Man?

838
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Now? You're going to get them better too. Like again,

839
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 1>like even if you take that ten percent of the

840
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 1>population that says they see ghosts or UFOs or Bigfoot

841
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 1>or dog Man, you know they you know, I don't

842
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>think they're out of their mind, right, I've heard enough stories.

843
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 1>I think the dog man side again, I you know,

844
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>just not being not being an expert, but again that

845
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>it leads towards the malevolence side of Bigfoot. And I

846
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're engineered that way. I mean, you know,

847
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the creative artistic storyteller Jason is kind of like, oh

848
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, like they could be engineered by the government,

849
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 1>and on and on and on. You know, nobody can

850
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 1>prove that obviously, but I mean if there is, if

851
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 1>there is a sasquatch and they are interdimensional, maybe something

852
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.960
<v Speaker 1>else can come from that dimension as well. Maybe that's

853
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a document because then you can kind of go down

854
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 1>the rabbit hole further where I know some people believe

855
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that there's goat Man and there's Chewbacabra and on and

856
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>on and on, So what are these what are these creatures?

857
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 2>The photo is one of those photos where it's it

858
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>could or couldn't be, you know, just and I believe

859
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>you're perfectly honest about that.

860
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

861
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.920
<v Speaker 2>But it sure does look interesting. It sure does seem

862
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 2>to have the right shape to it and seems to

863
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>be it just seems to be doing the type of

864
00:48:58.559 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 2>thing that those things do.

865
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we've we've all seen enough of the blob squatch

866
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know what the version of a blob

867
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 1>dog man is that kind of has like the years

868
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff, and they can kind of see it,

869
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but you kind of you kind of can't. So yeah, I.

870
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, have you heard of any sightings in that

871
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 2>area for dog man?

872
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 1>It's it has come up. I mean, you know, all

873
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 1>of British Columbia, some of the you know, some of

874
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>the folks that I go out with do talk about that.

875
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>They we you know, they've encountered dog men and you know,

876
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 1>ushering people out of the area so to speak. So yes,

877
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have twelve foot fourteen foot. It sounds

878
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 1>weird to say that, but yeah, I mean, these these

879
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.119
<v Speaker 1>ones are tall out here, and I think the further

880
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>you go up, I mean then you kind of get

881
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>into Alaska and Yukon. For U and you know they're

882
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 1>very prevalent and huge out there too, but I have

883
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 1>not heard. That's where I kind of lean towards the

884
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.679
<v Speaker 1>eleventh and malevolence side of dog men. And I mean,

885
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.119
<v Speaker 1>you try and get I've been a huge fan of

886
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the David Pleidi's worked for a while and they've communicated

887
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times, and that could be the missing

888
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 1>for a one to one piece. You know, I don't

889
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 1>want to say that there isn't because on the Sasquatch side,

890
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying there is a malevolence there, but it

891
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 1>just feels like, you know, they're you know, they're pissed

892
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>off with us ruining our planet and all that other stuff,

893
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>right and and you know, protecting the land and all

894
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that stuff too. And of course you know, what would

895
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>we do with one if we found one anyway, But

896
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I just it feels like there's more of a belevolence

897
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.800
<v Speaker 1>on the Sasquatch side than there is the dog man.

898
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Humble opinions, Yeah, well, I mean, if we're talking humble opinions,

899
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>which you know, I'm not saying my opinion is worth

900
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.840
<v Speaker 2>anything or valid in any way, but whenever it comes

901
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to the missing four one one stuff, even if you

902
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:17.840
<v Speaker 2>take say less than half of those as something strange

903
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and unexplainable. In my opinion, I do believe that Bigfoot

904
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 2>or sasquatch or whatever you want to call it, is

905
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 2>capable of doing horrible things in certain situations an individual

906
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to individual. However, I still think that that number would

907
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>be too large for it to be Bigfoot. I think

908
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>for Bigfoot, would Bigfoot take a person? Maybe I'm not

909
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>saying that they wouldn't, but I think it would be

910
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>such a rarity that the number of missing four one

911
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>one cases is too large for it to be Bigfoot.

912
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Yep, love what you're laying down, absolutely, but who knows.

913
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, you've looked into you know

914
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>you were talking about you used to be part of

915
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>a paranormal group, and you know the UFO stuff. Obviously

916
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of overlaps in all of these subjects

917
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 2>which could just be related to eyewitnesses experiencing them. But

918
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.119
<v Speaker 2>do you think there's an actual connection between any of them?

919
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, and again, as in that documentary you're watching last night,

920
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 1>kind the same thing too. They say, you know, there's

921
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of reported sasquatch Bigfoot sightings near UFO sightings.

922
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that connection is the ghosts. It's

923
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.079
<v Speaker 1>so tough. When I ran around Thank you for paranormal group.

924
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.119
<v Speaker 1>I did that. I was about a half year or two.

925
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>I saw a lot of strange thing. I've seen so

926
00:52:54.199 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>many orbs I've seen missed, you know, and and I've

927
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>had that heaviness feeling there you go, there's no heaviness

928
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 1>feeling that they didn't have the sasquatch, I guess, but gosh,

929
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 1>it seems to all be interconnected with What is connected

930
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 1>is ghosts, UFOs, sasquatch, maybe even encryptids. Maybe less of cryptids.

931
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 1>It's just there's that reoccurring theme of X percentage of

932
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the population has seen.

933
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.679
<v Speaker 2>It and.

934
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>The other half the other percentage you just can't convince them. Yeah,

935
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>you know. And out of that too. To my point

936
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 1>is one hundred people tell their story, I mean, make

937
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, back with the UFOs, Oh, it's swamp gas

938
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 1>or it's ball lighting or whatever it happens to be too.

939
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 1>But there's still those unexplained ones that are ten percent.

940
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I don't know if it's our job, Matt,

941
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 1>to get that percentage up to fifty percent for the

942
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.679
<v Speaker 1>general population. But I'm going to try why not something

943
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 1>to do? It's a passion.

944
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's those uncomforts truths, man, It's it's people who

945
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>aren't comfortable with what they're hearing, so they find explanations

946
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 2>that they're comfortable with.

947
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Hundre percent. Well, it's scary too, there was I've heard

948
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that over the years, and again with that dog last night,

949
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>where you know, if there is sasquatch, bigfoot and the

950
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 1>government fund yeah, they're out there, and I don't know,

951
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 1>does that screw it up from the lumber industry, does

952
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it screw it up for you know, people feeling comfortable

953
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>going out too the forest? I could see how that

954
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>would be a problem.

955
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, earlier you were talking about how you strongly

956
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.280
<v Speaker 2>believe there's a paranormal element to this, and you also

957
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.440
<v Speaker 2>believe that they are definitely flesh and blood on some level.

958
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, ten twenty years ago, it was

959
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 2>either flesh and blood or paranormal. It can't be both, you.

960
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Know dat I love it.

961
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and how people you know, the question always comes up, well,

962
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>why is the government covering it up? Why won't they

963
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.320
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge it, and everybody has their answer. Obviously top answer

964
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>on the board. Lumber industry would lose too much money.

965
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.559
<v Speaker 2>That's everybody's go to, right. But now I'm starting to

966
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.559
<v Speaker 2>think it's probably not one thing or another. It's probably

967
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.119
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of things collectively.

968
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I could see that to you. Well, good point too.

969
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 1>What if the I don't know, just on a technology level,

970
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 1>if there's a sasquatch out there, if it can cloak,

971
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 1>if it can do infrasound, that's I don't know, not

972
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 1>to be you know, the cabal, the government conspiracist guy.

973
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, Like that'd be pretty heavy tech

974
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.159
<v Speaker 1>to get a hold of and exploit.

975
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:48.599
<v Speaker 2>We're going to have to have an off air conversation

976
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:49.159
<v Speaker 2>about that.

977
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I want to ask you all.

978
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I've got you here just because I'm interested in everything,

979
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:03.320
<v Speaker 2>not just bigfoot stuff or cryptids or paranorle But okay,

980
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:06.280
<v Speaker 2>you were talking about disclosure and the government, you know,

981
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 2>acknowledging that they're out there. We don't know what they are, YadA, YadA.

982
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Well that's going on with the United States. Is the

983
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Canadian government doing the same thing. What are they saying

984
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>anything official about UFOs. They have not.

985
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>We're I think a bit behind you folks on that too,

986
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 1>and selt there. It really hasn't. I can't remember the

987
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 1>member of parliament that had brought up the UFO thing,

988
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of like you're I think you're Harry Reid if

989
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken, kind of brought that up on the

990
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>UFO site. Yeah, good or bad, we had our version

991
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.599
<v Speaker 1>of Harry. His name escapes me. This is like going

992
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.159
<v Speaker 1>ten plus years ago. Don't really don't really see or

993
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 1>hear a lot about it. I know it's heavily on

994
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the indigenous side. I mean it's funny like it's it's

995
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 1>just like a normal thing. Like I've been actually going

996
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 1>to the state aluss Nation, which is about about an

997
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>hour away from me, and that's the birthplace of the

998
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Sasquat name is what they called it where they you know,

999
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the the white man ended up calling it Sasquatch, right,

1000
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That's where the name came from, which is not too

1001
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.519
<v Speaker 1>far away from me, And I've been going out there

1002
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and it's just it's just so cathartic to be out

1003
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 1>on their land. And I've had the opportunity to have

1004
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 1>them to set the Sasquatch drum for me a couple

1005
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:31.039
<v Speaker 1>of times, and they tell tales up on I can't

1006
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 1>remember the mountain that's not too far away from them,

1007
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 1>but they have these seven large pillars where they say

1008
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 1>the Sasquatch comes once a year and they have their

1009
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.760
<v Speaker 1>meeting of the roundtable. Shall we say it's just that government,

1010
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>no indigenous peoples. Yes, Like it's very prevalent. It's very

1011
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 1>talked about. I don't they don't make it like shout

1012
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it from the mountaintops or anything, but it's kind of like, yeah,

1013
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is.

1014
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So how far along are you at the documentary project?

1015
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I got some missing pieces and I would like to

1016
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:07.960
<v Speaker 1>complete it by the end of this year. And you

1017
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 1>know what it was is I think with paranormal stuff,

1018
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it's tough because it's it's a hard sell to the

1019
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>state of the film industry itself is kind of messed

1020
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.559
<v Speaker 1>up right now, and that includes factual, scripted and unscripted.

1021
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting when you might have a great idea. It's

1022
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 1>funny I came up with the Paranormal Verdict. It's a

1023
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>TV series and I kind of had this vision when

1024
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I told you that story about there's more evidence for

1025
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch in some cases than there is people in prison

1026
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.159
<v Speaker 1>right now. And I said, wow, I need a judge, judy,

1027
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and then how about we have like, let's do a

1028
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch on trial. Let's have all the experts come in

1029
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.079
<v Speaker 1>tell the judge, you know, you know, the reasoning why,

1030
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and what's all the evidence, and let the judge decide,

1031
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and of course have skeptics come in there to try

1032
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and deep bucket and stuff like that. But I've got

1033
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.679
<v Speaker 1>a number series like that, including the one with no

1034
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.639
<v Speaker 1>but an indication piece. But it's such a difficult sell

1035
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>because of this did in the industry and because they're

1036
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.159
<v Speaker 1>always looking for a name brand. There's a gentleman that

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<v Speaker 1>does a paranormal ghost series that shall remain nameless, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny like he's got four or five different offshoots

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<v Speaker 1>of his own series. They just really want like a

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<v Speaker 1>solid name behind it. So it's it's a slog's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get this time. So what I did with the

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne project, which is called Bigfit De Coded, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>all about trying to carve together that final pitch deck

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<v Speaker 1>and that sizzle reel and then get it sold to

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<v Speaker 1>a network, and if it doesn't, I'll just go back

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<v Speaker 1>to what I told you before, as I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if I haven't sold anything. And I'm eighty years old

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<v Speaker 1>at least I tried, So what I would probably end

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<v Speaker 1>up doing is taking that final piece and then just

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<v Speaker 1>self producing it and self sorry, self distributing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, man, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed it, and uh, we're gonna have to keep touch, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is the begin it ain't of a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you have a bestine in Vancouver now and anytime,

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<v Speaker 1>any time you ever come up here. Man, your money's

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<v Speaker 1>going a long way compared to ours, so you'll live

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<v Speaker 1>like a king up here if to hang out for

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<v Speaker 1>a week, but open door policy. And if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>get down in your earneck the woods, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>meet up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, I appreciate it. If you've experienced ask

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<v Speaker 2>Watch or Dogman or something else you can't explain you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to share your story on the podcast, email me

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<v Speaker 2>at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the

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<v Speaker 2>website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links to social

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<v Speaker 2>media past episodes merchandise, everything you need, all in one place,

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<v Speaker 2>and until next time, remember there's something in the woods.