Speaker 1: You know, looking back at my GoPro didn't really see anything.
Speaker 1: Looked at my phone camera and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what's this, and you know, kind of blow it up
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm like, oh, what is that? That's interesting?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It didn't look like a stump to me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it's not a stump. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's not a bear, it's not a dog.
Speaker 1: It looks suspicious to me that you can kind of
Speaker 1: get a sense of the size. I never professed to
Speaker 1: say it is what way it could be? It looks
Speaker 1: like a dog man to me, because you can imagine.
Speaker 1: Soon there after I went I was traveling down in
Speaker 1: the States. I talked to Rob and I talked to them,
Speaker 1: but I talked to the Marvin Kemp, you know, the
Speaker 1: elder for the so Calby tribe. Especially indigenous folks are
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh my gosh. They kind of like
Speaker 1: look away because they think it's an malevolent being creature,
Speaker 1: kind of like a dog man. It was always an
Speaker 1: interesting picture to me. Again, I'm never going to say
Speaker 1: that that is a dog man, and that is a
Speaker 1: big food but very interesting picture for me.
Speaker 2: So how did you get involved in all of this
Speaker 2: stuff to begin with?
Speaker 1: So for me, I mean, I'm fifty three at my
Speaker 1: ripe old age of fifty three. Back in my teams,
Speaker 1: I really kind of had a fascination with the paranormal
Speaker 1: and in particular cryptids, and I think that stems from
Speaker 1: like a lot of those programs that a lot of
Speaker 1: us maybe watch back in the day, the six million
Speaker 1: dollar Big fut episode or In Search of with Leonard Nimoy,
Speaker 1: and then you kind of move into the unsolved mysteries
Speaker 1: with Robert Stack and anything Sasquatch, anything Yetti was just
Speaker 1: just super interesting at the time. And you know, after that,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of this is before the Internet for me.
Speaker 1: You know, you go to the library and just read
Speaker 1: any book you could get your hands on related to
Speaker 1: the subject. And again from UFOs to go again Cryptids
Speaker 1: mostly Lockness Monster and Sasquatch and all that stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just kind of where it stemmed from for me.
Speaker 1: And I've always been a bit of a storyteller, which
Speaker 1: you know kind of translates into my chosen interest. Now.
Speaker 1: My passion is filmmaking. I work for films to do
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, here, but I chase the filmmaking dream on
Speaker 1: the side and I love storytelling, and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of blends together.
Speaker 2: Now, did you grow up in British Columbia.
Speaker 1: I did. I grew up in a small town called Ladder,
Speaker 1: which we joked, you know, the nickname is town at
Speaker 1: the end of the ditch. But it was a farming
Speaker 1: and fishing community, and you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: hunting and just outdoor activities. You know, we'd go down
Speaker 1: to the pits and do some washing in the floor
Speaker 1: by force trucks and all that stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: have a good time doing it. And I left that
Speaker 1: small little town and you know, went for the big
Speaker 1: city Vancouver and burned being kind of made my way.
Speaker 1: I you know, left school a little bit early and
Speaker 1: got into the workforce. For perspective to Lader is maybe
Speaker 1: about thirty minute drive from Vancouver.
Speaker 2: Coming from my perspective of growing up in Oklahoma and
Speaker 2: the middle of the United States, I had an introduction
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot and all that stuff very similar as yours.
Speaker 2: I'm just a few years younger than you. I remember
Speaker 2: watching reruns of In Search of Back then they had
Speaker 2: a lot of those kind of you know, campy made
Speaker 2: for television documentaries where they would talk about that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, and oh man, I was hooked. I loved
Speaker 2: unsolved mysteries too, would scour the libraries looking for books
Speaker 2: on the subject. And back then all this stuff was
Speaker 2: kind of umped in together in the same section, and
Speaker 2: a lot of times in the same books. You had
Speaker 2: ghosts and UFOs and the Lockness Monster and Bigfoot all
Speaker 2: in the same category. Pretty much other than that, other
Speaker 2: than my own interest, which I didn't know any other
Speaker 2: kids that were interested in that stuff, I didn't really
Speaker 2: hear about Bigfoot or anything in Oklahoma. It was on
Speaker 2: into adulthood before I even realized that, like, oh this
Speaker 2: this is something that branches out much farther than the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest. But in my mind, I know, Washington State,
Speaker 2: you know, is considered that, you know, the Bigfoot capital
Speaker 2: or whatever, But British Columbia is always what comes to
Speaker 2: my mind is the mecca. I mean, did you hear
Speaker 2: Sasquatch stories? Was that part of culture as you were
Speaker 2: growing up?
Speaker 1: It was? I mean, and you know what running parallel
Speaker 1: to you too, It's just what you would kind of
Speaker 1: give them the library, your friends, my friends not so
Speaker 1: much interested, but you know, throughout your you know, early
Speaker 1: childhood into your teens and maybe even twenties when you
Speaker 1: would go to museums or galleries any of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. There's a strong indigenous element here too, with
Speaker 1: multiple nations. So you know, whether you're going to Victoria
Speaker 1: on Vancouver Island, which is our capital of British Columbia,
Speaker 1: or any of the local museums around here. Kind of
Speaker 1: close to me, there's always those Sasquatch mass the Sasquatch
Speaker 1: lore and what it means to their communities and their
Speaker 1: nations and each nation. I mean, I know that goes
Speaker 1: down across North America as well, which each nation has
Speaker 1: like a different name for the creature.
Speaker 2: Right. Oklahoma is well known for its its native culture obviously,
Speaker 2: but the tribal stuff like in the museums and everything.
Speaker 2: You know, I visited several of them as a child, actually,
Speaker 2: just Native American museums, and there wasn't really that element
Speaker 2: present here.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I just always imagine, you know, like I've seen
Speaker 2: like the old photographs of you know, the statues and
Speaker 2: stuff in British Columbia and like they're the welcome sign
Speaker 2: of Harrison, Hot Springs, the Big Neon Bigfoot. We're in
Speaker 2: a top hat and I just thought, oh, that would
Speaker 2: be so cool.
Speaker 1: Hey, I think you're read it's funny too. The Pattison
Speaker 1: Gimblin film. I mean, I think that's something we all
Speaker 1: kind of grew up with that was kind of like wow,
Speaker 1: like that's that's out there, and you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: with and I'll share that later where I don't know
Speaker 1: how how serious that the general public takes those things too.
Speaker 1: So you're right about Washington State and then PC. But
Speaker 1: as kind of mentioned too, is like most of the
Speaker 1: it's funny when you walk into those museums and you
Speaker 1: see a Sasquatch mask or a Sasquatch literature related to
Speaker 1: indigenous nations that you're just gonna walk by and you wow,
Speaker 1: that's there. That's something that they've been talking about. That's
Speaker 1: part of their you know, their legends and law, which
Speaker 1: is their truth to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now did you follow filmmaking into the Sasquatch world?
Speaker 1: Well, and that's kind of you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I went to I went to Vancouver Film School in
Speaker 1: ninety four and I didn't take life too seriously. But
Speaker 1: I went back in two thousand and three and I
Speaker 1: took you know, scriptwriting and a little budge of producing.
Speaker 1: It's a very tough industry to crack into. A tall
Speaker 1: about persistence. But what was kind of neat for me
Speaker 1: going to films, you know, to film school as a
Speaker 1: returning adult, was being able to try and tell some
Speaker 1: of those stories and play with the equipment to do it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I did a I was a big fan
Speaker 1: of Coast to Coast with Art Bell back in the day.
Speaker 1: There's a wealth of inform wealth of stories with his programs,
Speaker 1: and I did a little short film called Sounds from Hell.
Speaker 1: It was kind of exciting, fun to do, and it's
Speaker 1: it's tough to get funding to do these programs. So
Speaker 1: after film school, I ended up working in film production
Speaker 1: in the locations department for just a spell, and then
Speaker 1: I realized that to chase the almighty filmmaking dream, I
Speaker 1: needed a better work life bounce. So I worked for
Speaker 1: a company that rented equipment to people in the film Mystory,
Speaker 1: And as I kind of carried on, you know what,
Speaker 1: a girlfriend happens, and a wife happens, and then a
Speaker 1: kid happens, right, and you kind of like forget about
Speaker 1: why you got into this in the beginning, So it's
Speaker 1: probably been in the last it's probably been og is
Speaker 1: probably since like twenty thirteen fourteen is where I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and tell those stories. And they
Speaker 1: joke with a lot of friends where I don't care
Speaker 1: if I'm eighty years old and haven't sold a TV
Speaker 1: series or a feature film. You know, it's about the
Speaker 1: chase and the persistence of it. But for me, it
Speaker 1: was that kind of started off with meeting doctor Melbaketchum
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen, which kind of like ignited and
Speaker 1: re sparked the interest for myself.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was a major deal, a major deal
Speaker 2: back then. How did that come about?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, again it's we're both fans of the
Speaker 1: subject of subject of course again, you're still trying to
Speaker 1: get your hands on any documentary or TV series, books,
Speaker 1: and I've kind of found over the years where there's
Speaker 1: these really bad B or C grade horror movies about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot or Sasquatch, and then there's a bunch of kind
Speaker 1: of call them unscripted TV series that kind of have
Speaker 1: the same people doing the same things, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: you know, teaching their own for that, But Alma, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of one of those guys that I'm not scared
Speaker 1: to knock on anybody's door just to say hi. So
Speaker 1: I reached out to her. I think it was twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen ish after reading about the Bigfoot genome project and
Speaker 1: just kind of the controversy around it, and she kind
Speaker 1: of went silent for quite a few years because I
Speaker 1: think that was back in two thousand and eight that
Speaker 1: they did the genome project, and to reach out to
Speaker 1: her social media wise and reconnected and we kind of
Speaker 1: had a couple back and forth messages and then we've
Speaker 1: you know, called and just really hit it off. And
Speaker 1: it was funny because as I'm trying to chase my
Speaker 1: filmmaking dreams scripted and unscripted, she had told me that
Speaker 1: she wrote a five book series called The Phantom Forest Saget,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a Twilight meets Tarzan and
Speaker 1: it was an interesting story and I kind of said, well,
Speaker 1: and it was funny because it was set in Nanaimo,
Speaker 1: British Columbia, which is just on Vancouver Island. But I
Speaker 1: thought there was some serendipity there about the British Columbia piece,
Speaker 1: and you know, over that time frame we kind of
Speaker 1: got to be you know, fast friends and talk shop
Speaker 1: and I kind of I kind of realized over time
Speaker 1: that it seemed like she was a bit blacklisted and
Speaker 1: her career was, you know, reputation was smeared within the
Speaker 1: community because kind of what I gather as she told
Speaker 1: me her story that she didn't believe in bigput She
Speaker 1: was a DNA geneticist, mostly for animals, and I guess
Speaker 1: Josh Gates Expedition Unknown sent some samples and you know,
Speaker 1: supposed tissue samples and hair samples for the blind studies,
Speaker 1: which is a smart thing to do. She got some
Speaker 1: of those and she had an oh my god moment
Speaker 1: because DNA quote unquote doesn't lie. So she kind of
Speaker 1: became a believer after that. And then of course hooked up.
Speaker 1: And here's another serendipity. Pieces. Part of the Ericson project
Speaker 1: or the Bigfoot Genome project was with a guy named
Speaker 1: Adrian Erickson out of Asoyus, British Columbia, which is in
Speaker 1: our Okanagan, about four hours away from me in Vancouver.
Speaker 1: So again there's just so many little cute, little puzzle
Speaker 1: pieces that were being put together just I don't know.
Speaker 1: Serendiputy was very interesting for myself, but she told me
Speaker 1: about you know, their documentary and all the evidence that
Speaker 1: they pulled and who was involved it with a lot
Speaker 1: of the people that you don't see on those TV series.
Speaker 1: So that's that was interesting to me. And then when
Speaker 1: they had their press conference in I believe it was
Speaker 1: twenty ten, it was interesting to hear and watch the
Speaker 1: actual press conference because it was like, you know, hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of you know, the press corps of hearing
Speaker 1: about the DNA sty But it just kind of tapered
Speaker 1: off after that. And that's kind of what my experience
Speaker 1: has been. It feels like it's a big foot landed
Speaker 1: on the White House lawn. Half the population wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Maybe in the other half would think it's just you
Speaker 1: know who he right, not a blanket statement, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people clearly that like are interested in it,
Speaker 1: believe in it, on and on and on. But so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was is interesting, and then I know, you know,
Speaker 1: she kind of went underground because again her career was smeared.
Speaker 1: In my humble opinion, I feel that there's little bits
Speaker 1: and bobs where a woman proved at DNA wise, But that's.
Speaker 2: Just my opinion, dangerous waters talking about melbketchup. She is
Speaker 2: a you know, one of those figures that everybody is
Speaker 2: split on your You're either are completely against or completely
Speaker 2: for it seems with her, and I believe there was
Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes made on both sides at the time.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I think she was sort of out of her element
Speaker 2: for what she was trying to accomplish as far as
Speaker 2: navigating the Bigfoot world is concerned. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right, No, I hear you. Well, you know, and I
Speaker 1: understand that there's controversy here around her too. And you know,
Speaker 1: with their hypothesis, you know that Sasquatch is not an ape.
Speaker 1: It's non jay cantapipacus to send it. It's not a
Speaker 1: missing link in the traditional sense. You know, she really
Speaker 1: believes it's a homine hybrid carrying all the human material
Speaker 1: material line from the Homo sapiens mothers like fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: years ago, you know, and the paternal DNA from an
Speaker 1: unknown and still unclassified species. You know, it's that's a mouthful,
Speaker 1: but I mean again, you kind of have to go
Speaker 1: back to the science. You know, doesn't if the science
Speaker 1: and the DNA doesn't lie, I mean, now we have
Speaker 1: to retest it, and who's doing that and see anybody
Speaker 1: doing it. What was good for me was over the
Speaker 1: years kind of developing that relationship with her. She shared
Speaker 1: a lot of images and a lot of information, and
Speaker 1: of course you have to take everything with the grain
Speaker 1: of salt and do your own kind of due diligence.
Speaker 1: But what was good for me was I was going
Speaker 1: to do a bit of a you know, a bit
Speaker 1: of a vindication piece for her, and I picked up
Speaker 1: my camera and my equipment and I went and traveled
Speaker 1: and met a lot of the people that were kind
Speaker 1: of in her inner circle. And that was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I traveled down to South Carolina and Robin Hayines, you know,
Speaker 1: good friend of hers, and she believed, you know, because
Speaker 1: we were going to read we're going to revisit the science,
Speaker 1: the DNA, the indigenous element, and then the paranormal or
Speaker 1: what some people call the WLU. And it was nice
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of go down and not
Speaker 1: be an armchair, you know, expert, as there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that does that but to just
Speaker 1: kind of go and actually talk to people. And that's
Speaker 1: that's where I've always kind of my jam is going
Speaker 1: to meet maybe like, as an example, you Matt, like,
Speaker 1: who are you, What's what's your experience? Would you? You know,
Speaker 1: and meet them in person. That's just always such so
Speaker 1: tangible for me. So it was nice to go down
Speaker 1: to meet Robin and hear her and interview her about
Speaker 1: the mind Speak. And I was fortunate enough to go
Speaker 1: down to your neck of the woods Choctaw as an Ob, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and that Troy Hudson, I'm sure if you know him, sure,
Speaker 1: and just learn a bit more about his research and
Speaker 1: experiences in the in the region. Of course, ended up
Speaker 1: in Nagadoches, Texas to meet Melbourne herself, spent a couple
Speaker 1: of days with her.
Speaker 2: I've spent time in that location as well. I've got
Speaker 2: a good friend down there, a few good friends.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. I somehow convinced my wife and
Speaker 1: daughter to come with me on a part road trip,
Speaker 1: part part investigator series.
Speaker 2: Completely different than British Columbia.
Speaker 1: It really is. I we had such a blast travel
Speaker 1: to your neck of the woods too. It's just like
Speaker 1: the rolling hills, especially in Oklahoma, it was just yeah,
Speaker 1: and the people were so nice and friendly, and again
Speaker 1: it was I think those experiences were less so Jason
Speaker 1: being out with night vision cameras at three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning and forest and just hearing about their stories,
Speaker 1: seeing their evidence if they had any, and just kind
Speaker 1: of that eye to eye conversation with them, which was
Speaker 1: amazing for me.
Speaker 2: So, like, obviously I have a podcast. I get that
Speaker 2: passion for storytelling. I share that I'm really into the stories.
Speaker 2: That's why I chose this format where I'm talking to
Speaker 2: people and letting them share their stories.
Speaker 1: And so I am a fan of your podcast and
Speaker 1: listen to it quite often.
Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate you. But you know, back in the day,
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time around a lot of
Speaker 2: campfires and out in the woods with people, you know,
Speaker 2: doing the research side of thing. And you know, the
Speaker 2: best times we're sitting around the campfire, hearing the stories,
Speaker 2: talking with people you know, and like, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: getting away from the computer and meeting the people in person,
Speaker 2: it changes the dynamics so much.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, I.
Speaker 2: Think a lot of the conflicts that happened in the
Speaker 2: Bigfoot world would go away if the people were just
Speaker 2: face to face and just actually meeting the person that
Speaker 2: you're talking to and hearing them tell their story and
Speaker 2: explain their side of things without getting all upset and
Speaker 2: just you know, being a keyboard warrior and just flaming
Speaker 2: on people.
Speaker 1: D percent. Yeah, there seems to be a little bit
Speaker 1: of inner fighting amongst us at times, which is if
Speaker 1: we all pulled our resources together, we'd probably get a
Speaker 1: lot more done.
Speaker 2: What kind of stuff were you doing? You were talking
Speaker 2: about putting on night vision and hitting the woods. Did
Speaker 2: you do a lot of that stuff?
Speaker 1: No, that was kind of that particular trip was less
Speaker 1: so of that and just actually talking to people. So
Speaker 1: I you know, being in South Carolina and you know,
Speaker 1: experiencing Robin talk about mind speak in the moment and
Speaker 1: what these creatures were saying and talking about. Now but
Speaker 1: ketch him on the science in the DNA Troy in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about the twelve footers you know, on
Speaker 1: his property, and it was you know, kind of to
Speaker 1: your point. It was like a lot of them were
Speaker 1: talking about the bigger the further north you get, the
Speaker 1: bigger they get. Hence British Columbia that there's you know,
Speaker 1: some of them are called the tall ones, which is
Speaker 1: you get your eight to twelve footers maybe you know,
Speaker 1: some people say larger. But it was nice to also
Speaker 1: meet I was in Washington State and met the hereditary
Speaker 1: chief for the snow call Me tribe, Marvin comp and
Speaker 1: it's just good to hear, you know, those indigenous legends
Speaker 1: and more quote unquote are their truth, their stories that
Speaker 1: they used to trade with these creatures that they you know,
Speaker 1: don't grow past, you know, don't go out unless you're
Speaker 1: with somebody else, don't go out at night because I think,
Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, in my experience and research with this,
Speaker 1: there is a malevolence and a belevolence factor from what
Speaker 1: I understand. We can get into the David Plaidy's stuff,
Speaker 1: you know as well the Missing four one one stuff,
Speaker 1: which I'm huge fan of the series, but I also
Speaker 1: believe some of that stuff. And it was nice to
Speaker 1: get in front of people like mitche Townshend and he
Speaker 1: had a book and he's done a couple of documentaries.
Speaker 1: Sorry panels on the indentations like teethmarks on bones, you
Speaker 1: know that could be you know, two, three, four times
Speaker 1: the size of the human beings. So and then kind
Speaker 1: of finally and then finally leaf Ford, he's a again.
Speaker 1: It was kind of nice that Melba introduced me to
Speaker 1: a lot of these folks Leif I met in California
Speaker 1: and he kind of furthers sparked, you know, the interest
Speaker 1: in me. And he was a professor of psychology and
Speaker 1: I was interviewing him, going to his experiences and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he had mentioned Jason in some cases there's more
Speaker 1: evidence for Sasquatch or Bigfoot than there is for people
Speaker 1: that are incarcerated in prison right now. And I just
Speaker 1: had a moment when you said that where it actually
Speaker 1: gave birth to another TV series idea I have. But
Speaker 1: it also was like, you know what, he's not totally wrong,
Speaker 1: circumstantial or not. I think it's just amazing the amount
Speaker 1: of evidence there. But again it's just the general public.
Speaker 1: Are we trying to convince everybody? Because I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's ever going to happen. And then kind of finally,
Speaker 1: with my journey too is well not finally a piece
Speaker 1: of it is and Melby introduced me to a gentleman,
Speaker 1: Randy Briston. He's got a YouTube channel out there could
Speaker 1: be a great guest for you. Actually, one day he's
Speaker 1: been out in Maple Ridge area, which is twenty and
Speaker 1: it drive for me equivalentment now pretty close to places
Speaker 1: like Golden Ears. Just amazing. He's the Lakota and just
Speaker 1: I spent the last og is like five plus years
Speaker 1: with him and we go with every once in a
Speaker 1: while and we find our glyphs, and we find our
Speaker 1: structures and we find their prints and on and on
Speaker 1: and on. So it's been quite the journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to get into some of that. You
Speaker 2: sent me some pictures earlier, and he sent me some
Speaker 2: pretty interesting stuff. Before we get to that one photo,
Speaker 2: you sent me some pictures of what appeared to be
Speaker 2: we'll call them rock formations. What's the story behind those?
Speaker 1: Well, and that's kind of the rinse repeate recycle thing
Speaker 1: for me. And when you when you get out there too,
Speaker 1: is I mean barring seeing you know, eyeshine at night
Speaker 1: or any vocalizations or any that kind of stuff. It's
Speaker 1: always things. There's I know that there's a there's like
Speaker 1: a sub sect of the big community that really buys
Speaker 1: into the glyphs, like rocks being a certain way or
Speaker 1: sticks being put a certain way that there's a communication
Speaker 1: going on there. I hadn't really gone down that rabbit
Speaker 1: hole too much of them, you know, maybe sure could
Speaker 1: could be and then you know it's you really have
Speaker 1: to go off the being track. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: that school I thought that some people think like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you have to go like, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: thirty forty k or miles into the bush taxially sees
Speaker 1: anything quote unquote. But in my experience and everybody I
Speaker 1: have talked to, these creatures are closer than you think,
Speaker 1: and you know they you don't have to go out,
Speaker 1: you know, into the middle of in my case, British
Speaker 1: Columbia to go see these things or evidence of them.
Speaker 1: So anytime I do go out, you know, spend you know,
Speaker 1: half a day on it, go with Randy or a
Speaker 1: couple of other friends and just go on like walk
Speaker 1: about so that I like to call them and we
Speaker 1: do go off the beaten track within reason. But it's
Speaker 1: just the amount of stick structures that are out there
Speaker 1: you kind of get back into that is there somebody
Speaker 1: actually walk you know, going out there and hoaxing and
Speaker 1: making stick structures. You kind of have to dive into
Speaker 1: the evidence of it and they really kind of sit
Speaker 1: back and look at how did those rocks get there?
Speaker 1: How did they get form like that? Could that have
Speaker 1: been a human being? Could that have been an animal?
Speaker 1: Same with six stick structures. Again, I've been a big
Speaker 1: fan of there's so much stuff on YouTube these days
Speaker 1: to kind of like help you dissect that stuff. To
Speaker 1: Les Stroud, who is Survivor Man has a couple of
Speaker 1: Big Pot episodes up here from British Columbia. You know,
Speaker 1: Randy is Randy who I mentioned goes out with him
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: just it's right out there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like those kind of that kind of evidence out there.
Speaker 1: And I've been out there as well when I've gotten
Speaker 1: the the sounds of the forest quiet, you know, quiet
Speaker 1: to nothing where you know it's loud one moment and
Speaker 1: there's nothing. You could hear a pin drop, you know,
Speaker 1: in the forest. I've been out there with and I've
Speaker 1: heard cracks. There's been a couple of times where we
Speaker 1: because there's you know, are these some people think Bigfoot
Speaker 1: or sasquatch could be dimensional, it could be you know
Speaker 1: whatever you kind of think We've heard some people think
Speaker 1: that they come in and out of portholes. We've heard
Speaker 1: cracks like above them beyond, like tree breaks and tree
Speaker 1: cracks that like come from above, and then a weird
Speaker 1: vibe and a weird feeling after that. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like going on a rabbit hole myself.
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, you're fine. That's what we're here for. Rabbit
Speaker 2: holes are welcome. The photos of the rock formations. Do
Speaker 2: you happen to us where there are rocks in the area.
Speaker 1: In some cases and a good great point in some
Speaker 1: cases no, you know, so somebody has taken in and
Speaker 1: a good point. That's where you kind of have to
Speaker 1: do your detective work. You have to kind of look
Speaker 1: around the area see if there's other rocks. I will
Speaker 1: be honest, and more often than not there are. So
Speaker 1: anybody in their grandmother there could have put that rock
Speaker 1: formation there. But in some cases we have been up
Speaker 1: top of a you know, nothing but moss and trees,
Speaker 1: zero rocks pretty much, and then these you know, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten rocks kind of put in a formation. How did
Speaker 1: they get up there? You know, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: work for somebody to do. To just hoax.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen a lot of pictures of rock
Speaker 2: cairns over the years. You know that hikers stack rocks.
Speaker 2: That's not an uncommon thing. And you know, there's always
Speaker 2: the argument whenever people say, you know, well people never
Speaker 2: go there, Well, you're a person and you're there, so
Speaker 2: it's not impossible that another person was there. But these,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I didn't recognize anything that stood
Speaker 2: out as any sort of hiking marker of any kind.
Speaker 2: These weren't rock stackings. With your permission, I might put
Speaker 2: the photos on the YouTube upload of this just so
Speaker 2: people can actually see what I'm talking about. I just
Speaker 2: found them interesting because I mean, obviously, going out looking
Speaker 2: for bigfoot stuff and bigfoot evidence, if you see something
Speaker 2: like that, it registers as potential bigfoot evidence. But if
Speaker 2: you were just an average person, not thinking Bigfoot at all,
Speaker 2: and you were walking through the forest somewhere and you
Speaker 2: came across this, you know, circle of rocks or whatever
Speaker 2: with sticks or ranged a certain way, I mean, that
Speaker 2: would probably be pretty scary. It would probably stop you
Speaker 2: in your tracks for a second. And just because if
Speaker 2: it was a person, what the hell were they doing
Speaker 2: out there with rocks and doing that. I mean it's
Speaker 2: almost rich style. Yeah, it's kind of got like that
Speaker 2: whole witchcraft CULTI vibe to it. So yeah, I just
Speaker 2: found those really interesting. Is there anything that stood out
Speaker 2: about that particular location to make it unique or anything
Speaker 2: as far as like activity or sounds or anything.
Speaker 1: That particular area where those were done, that is where
Speaker 1: you know, the group that I go up with feels
Speaker 1: that they you know, the activity is prevalent in that area,
Speaker 1: and that's that's you know, all those kind of warning
Speaker 1: signs quote unquote that I mentioned happened where we've heard cracks,
Speaker 1: we've heard the sounds of the forest go down, very
Speaker 1: calm and obviously in this genre, right, so you know,
Speaker 1: and again it's that is not too far from a
Speaker 1: camp site, but far enough where it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: we don't think anybody would go. That's why we made
Speaker 1: that our spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird, man. There was an investigation I was
Speaker 2: part of adjacent to a very long time ago. It
Speaker 2: got some publicity. It was done in Paris, Texas, and
Speaker 2: there is a lot of weird stuff going on down there,
Speaker 2: and one of the things that I remember in particular
Speaker 2: was there was a rock formation similar to the one
Speaker 2: one of the ones that you showed me a picture of,
Speaker 2: but it was it was larger. And I mean, of course,
Speaker 2: at the time you're going into an investigation on somebody's property,
Speaker 2: there's lots of claims being made, there's some pretty incredible
Speaker 2: evidence being presented, so you have to go in being
Speaker 2: sort of skeptic and like keeping your eyes open for
Speaker 2: any kind of tomfoolery, you know how people are. And
Speaker 2: so I'm looking for all that stuff, and they're showing,
Speaker 2: you know, here's this rock formation we told you about,
Speaker 2: and it's off in the woods behind their property and everything,
Speaker 2: and you know, we stood there looking at it for
Speaker 2: probably about five minutes, and I'm like walking around it
Speaker 2: at the time, and I'm seeing a very specific pattern
Speaker 2: to it, and nobody is nobody there that owned the
Speaker 2: properties seemed to be aware of this pattern. They weren't
Speaker 2: pointing it out to me, they weren't pushing me in
Speaker 2: the direction of discovery or anything. But it was a
Speaker 2: medicine will, and it was a medicine will fashion in
Speaker 2: the shape of what I would consider a thunderbird. I
Speaker 2: had seen this sort of thing, you know, in books
Speaker 2: of like terreg listening of rocks for Native Americans and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But from their angle that they were
Speaker 2: looking at, because you walk it, it was upside down,
Speaker 2: so they didn't ever notice that, and they just saw
Speaker 2: it as like some rocks sticking off to the side
Speaker 2: and everything. But if you walked around on the other side,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was a very crude, fashioned one, you know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like perfect or anything. It wasn't drawn. It
Speaker 2: was made with rocks in a shape. And that was
Speaker 2: the first time where I kind of took a step back,
Speaker 2: as there's something more going on here. This isn't you know,
Speaker 2: an undiscovered primate doing this, and why do we have
Speaker 2: this overlap with Native American stuff going on? Who's doing this?
Speaker 2: You know? And it was just I don't know, it
Speaker 2: was kind of I would say it changed the course
Speaker 2: maybe not necessarily of my belief system, but the course
Speaker 2: of my my own investigation into this stuff. Where are
Speaker 2: you at whenever it comes to that sort of thing
Speaker 2: like where are you standing currently? As what these things
Speaker 2: are and what these things do?
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that too. Great way I put it, it
Speaker 1: sounded like that event was impactful for you. We just
Speaker 1: finished watching a documentary called The Flash of Beauty last
Speaker 1: night for the I think the second or third time,
Speaker 1: and it's just as you were kind of talking about
Speaker 1: those getting the cliffs and rock structures and what it
Speaker 1: could mean, and it reminded me of crop circles in
Speaker 1: the UFO genre as well. Right, it just feels like
Speaker 1: there's a sort of a communication there too. And in
Speaker 1: the documentary last night, they were talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: in the indigenous people's you know, they're a little bit
Speaker 1: more in tune to communication. Maybe then we are question mark, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just it's just and sometimes they're just
Speaker 1: messing with us that, you know. It's just it's an
Speaker 1: interesting topic to kind of come up with. Just when
Speaker 1: when I thought that, when I thought sabsquatch could be
Speaker 1: a you know, jig antipithecuss And then you get into
Speaker 1: the just the paranormal stuff side of it too, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's a gal I can't remember
Speaker 1: her name, but there was some video footage of what
Speaker 1: looked like the Predator where like that the shine or
Speaker 1: the glimmer as they say that barbershop right exactly, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, there are species of animals now
Speaker 1: that have those camouflage kind of characteristics, So why couldn't
Speaker 1: Jake Antipithecus have that? But then you just get into
Speaker 1: the you know, the I know Ramya, you know Randy,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, you know, following tracks and into the
Speaker 1: middle of a field, and then they stopped where did
Speaker 1: it go? Following track into a huge tree? And they
Speaker 1: stop at this huge tree and you hear a knock
Speaker 1: within the tree, and you knock back, and you get
Speaker 1: a knock back within the tree. So there's a there
Speaker 1: just has to be a paranormal element to this. I
Speaker 1: you know, nobody is an experts, but everybody is an expert,
Speaker 1: so it's really difficult to say. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: there's moments where I just I do think they could
Speaker 1: be dimensional. What does that mean. It's a tough one
Speaker 1: because I believe that there's they have to be flesh
Speaker 1: and blood as well as because you we all we
Speaker 1: do get some of the evidence, we do get some
Speaker 1: of the samples, right, So it's a tough one. I
Speaker 1: do want to shake one's hand one day at least
Speaker 1: the belevolent ones say Hi, how's it going? What's up?
Speaker 2: Let me know when you do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you had any good sightings, good you know,
Speaker 1: good moments. Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had two sidings and I believe a third, But
Speaker 2: the third one was not anything I can absolutely confirm.
Speaker 2: It was also my best sighting, which is kind of weird,
Speaker 2: but some reason, I couldn't see the head and it
Speaker 2: was on all fours. Whenever something's not on two legs
Speaker 2: and you don't see its head, you can't confirm what
Speaker 2: it is, you know. Yeah, the first two. The first
Speaker 2: one was a face. I was looking at it from
Speaker 2: like thirty yards away through a night vision rifle scope
Speaker 2: not attached to a rifle, which had a little bit
Speaker 2: of magnification to it. I mean, I stared at it.
Speaker 2: So it was an amazing sighting. And then I had
Speaker 2: another one that was just absolutely random, just right place
Speaker 2: at right time, which lasted just a matter of a
Speaker 2: fraction of seconds. It was just it came walking out
Speaker 2: of the bush. I believe it was chasing after some
Speaker 2: insects underneath a like an outdoor light on a bathroom
Speaker 2: in a campground area, and I just happened to be
Speaker 2: standing in the right location, just staring off into space,
Speaker 2: and I saw it with my periphial vision. There wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot of brush or anything obscuring it. It was
Speaker 2: probably fifty yards away or so. And as I turned
Speaker 2: my head to look directly at it, it's like it
Speaker 2: realized I was there, did a one eighty spin and
Speaker 2: dove like Superman back into the brush and took off.
Speaker 1: No, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: It was only like maybe four foot tall, four and
Speaker 2: a half foot tall. It was not big at all.
Speaker 2: And I was actually on I guess you would call
Speaker 2: it a research outing. I was meeting up with other
Speaker 2: research partners of mine and they were at an adjacent campsite,
Speaker 2: and I had walked away from them just to get
Speaker 2: away from the fire and the sound and everything. And
Speaker 2: I was actually smoking a cigarette at the time. I
Speaker 2: used to smoke, and I was just standing off there
Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette. And I think that that may have
Speaker 2: had something to do with it, because the campsite that
Speaker 2: they were at didn't have the view that I had.
Speaker 2: I had the angle, and I was in the dark.
Speaker 2: There was no campfire, it was an empty campsite and everything,
Speaker 2: and I think it just got caught slipping. I think
Speaker 2: that's honestly all it was. But whenever I saw it,
Speaker 2: and it dove back into the brush. I immediately started
Speaker 2: yelling and running towards it, and everybody else joined me
Speaker 2: with spotlights and everything, and we ran down there and
Speaker 2: there was nothing, I mean, no movement.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it obviously have been able to get out
Speaker 2: of there very quickly into the darkness, but it's still
Speaker 2: just it was quite an experience. But yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 1: I can imagine. That's that's the one I'm always like,
Speaker 1: you know, doing as much as I do, or we do.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like I have had many moments of like
Speaker 1: a lot of the quote unquote evidence that I've seen,
Speaker 1: which doesn't amount a much to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. But the less so being paced out
Speaker 1: of a certain area, but hearing wood cracks and then
Speaker 1: getting closer feelings of being watched. That's kind of like,
Speaker 1: that's almost exciting. That's my roller coaster ride. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: chagrin to the day that I get the sense of
Speaker 1: dread feeling like that sounds really really bad. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever experienced that, and I haven't yet,
Speaker 1: and I hope that I don't. That one sounds pretty bad.
Speaker 2: There's been a couple of times. One time I had
Speaker 2: to leave an area and I made everybody, like everybody
Speaker 2: had to pack up and leave. It was a horrible experience.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was Bigfoot related. It might
Speaker 2: have been something paranormal that's completely separate from this, just
Speaker 2: because of the history of the area and everything. But
Speaker 2: it was really bad. It was full on, I'm sick,
Speaker 2: I have to go, I'm about to pass out. And
Speaker 2: then there was another time whenever I was in my
Speaker 2: main area that I had been in a thousand times,
Speaker 2: and it was just a situation where me and my
Speaker 2: friend hit that wall that people talk about yep, and
Speaker 2: we only had the option of going forward. We couldn't
Speaker 2: go backwards. We had to. We were in the dark
Speaker 2: on a trail, no flashlight, nothing on us to do
Speaker 2: any sort of illumination, and the rest of our group
Speaker 2: was on the opposite side of a creek and on
Speaker 2: up the trail from us, and we were meeting up
Speaker 2: with them, so we would have had to have backtrack
Speaker 2: and crossed a creek, and it just wasn't an option,
Speaker 2: so we had to push forward through it. And it
Speaker 2: was frightening, man, it was frightening, but everything worked out.
Speaker 2: Everything was fine. I never saw we didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: It was we're looking at a track next to the creek,
Speaker 2: and there was something on the opposite side of the
Speaker 2: trail from us that we could hear in the brush
Speaker 2: something growled. And then shortly after that is whenever we
Speaker 2: hit that invisible wall where it was just like, oh God,
Speaker 2: we cannot this is bad.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy with those you know whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call them powers or superpowers that they have, like
Speaker 1: again to the grouse, the cloaking, if it is, if
Speaker 1: they are answered dimensional, the on and of the smells
Speaker 1: and stuff that that infrasound. Randy who has mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: they were out him and his friend wrote at the
Speaker 1: UBC research for us and they got, in their words,
Speaker 1: zapped by the infrasound and they were basically like they
Speaker 1: were crawling back. It just sounded absolutely horrible, not even
Speaker 1: be able to walk. So they can really they can
Speaker 1: really get.
Speaker 2: You, Yeah for sure. And I don't you know that
Speaker 2: that's just more questions, you know everything. It's like there's
Speaker 2: plenty of stuff, there's plenty of evidence, there's plenty of experiences,
Speaker 2: but no questions actually answered great point.
Speaker 1: How do we get those questions answer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. You're
Speaker 2: the guest. How do we answer those questions? What are
Speaker 2: you doing to answer them?
Speaker 1: Well? I think for me, I'm going to just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I am going to continue to cobble together
Speaker 1: my little documentary piece and you know, kind of keep
Speaker 1: playing the genre. I don't you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody that's going to have the almighty footage, you know,
Speaker 1: to change the entire population's mind. But I think if
Speaker 1: we continue to kind of keep shipping away at it,
Speaker 1: shipping away at it, I mean in the UFO circle,
Speaker 1: you kind of see that is the government taking it
Speaker 1: a bit more serious? Are they coming out with like
Speaker 1: we don't know what these things are, but at least
Speaker 1: their knowledge again, so you know, is that a path
Speaker 1: or a big put in sasquatch as well? Sure? But
Speaker 1: if we don't, it's a collaborative thing and it's a
Speaker 1: collective thing. So I think the more people that get
Speaker 1: interested in it, the more people that go out, the
Speaker 1: more evidence that we collect. Maybe it's a matter of time,
Speaker 1: you know that one day it kind of comes out,
Speaker 1: somebody gets the next Patterson game will mind you. That's
Speaker 1: being looked at now too. With the controversy out.
Speaker 2: There, I'm going to have to do an episode on
Speaker 2: that at some point, please please do it. I'm still collecting.
Speaker 2: I've had several people reach out to me ask me,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, are you going to talk about this.
Speaker 2: I am going to talk about it. I'm just not ready.
Speaker 2: I'm still collecting my thoughts. Some things behind the scenes
Speaker 2: are in the works. I'm waiting to hear back for
Speaker 2: some My needles not moving until I see the footage
Speaker 2: for myself. I can promise you that too. Yes, me too,
Speaker 2: But you know there's still things that need to be addressed,
Speaker 2: uh for sure. And yeah, I'll be talking about it
Speaker 2: at some point. I just don't know when everybody else
Speaker 2: can enjoy the ride and make content off of it.
Speaker 2: Right now. I'm fine with that. I don't. You know,
Speaker 2: I have more investment in this than coming up with
Speaker 2: a podcast episode. You know, I didn't get in this
Speaker 2: for podcasting. I got into podcasting because of this.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: It's not that's not the jo for everybody. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there that you know, this just
Speaker 2: happens to be the topic that their podcast discusses, which
Speaker 2: is fine there. You know a lot of people do
Speaker 2: great that way. For me, I've got much more emotional
Speaker 2: investment in this than just that.
Speaker 1: Very cool, that's the way to do it.
Speaker 2: So what's up with that picture?
Speaker 1: Man? Well, on that picture, I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: like my best I'm not even saying what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, you and your audience can kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, come to your own conclusions. I was trying
Speaker 1: to get, you know, working in the day job in
Speaker 1: the film industry, and I was telling some of my
Speaker 1: colleagues about it, and I said, hey, they have there's
Speaker 1: a Sasquatch tour out at Sasquatch Provincial Park getting name.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's about two hours away and a half
Speaker 1: hours hours away from us. And so I was gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, I was, you know, paid the money and
Speaker 1: we're going to go. And the company kind of like
Speaker 1: floundered with the whole process. So I said, well, le's
Speaker 1: the four of us go on with is me than Sam,
Speaker 1: colleagues from working then my wife Cole. So we all
Speaker 1: all took a road trip and we drove through and
Speaker 1: I had my little go you know, go pro. They weren't.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to say I'm a fanatic, but
Speaker 1: they weren't as they knew about it. My wife is
Speaker 1: pretty much scared to go camping these days because of
Speaker 1: all the podcasts out there, yours included, So thank you
Speaker 1: for that. All right, it's okay, but she's she's a believer.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. On all of our road trips anywhere
Speaker 1: anywhere we know there's been a story or setting on
Speaker 1: any of the popular podcasts that we listened to, we
Speaker 1: try we make a point to go to those locations
Speaker 1: because we're crazy like that, not less so stay over
Speaker 1: on her side. Anyway, So we went and we did
Speaker 1: this trip and I had my goal Pro and I'm
Speaker 1: doing my thing. I didn't really see anything. We didn't
Speaker 1: go too much off the beaten track, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a huge, huge, you know area that Sasquat Provincial Park,
Speaker 1: of course, So we kind of did our thing, didn't
Speaker 1: see anything. It was kind of towards the end of
Speaker 1: the day and I had used up all my I
Speaker 1: had used up my card on my goal Pro, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, they may they'll take a couple of
Speaker 1: pictures on the way out and I used to run
Speaker 1: run with the Vancouver Paranormal Society back in to the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, because I thought I'd do this you
Speaker 1: know TV series that with the ragtag group of people
Speaker 1: that never went anywhere. But that's besides the point. So
Speaker 1: I did what's called kind of control shots, and I
Speaker 1: take some pictures as a driving out and took about like,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty pictures and didn't think anything of it,
Speaker 1: and went home, dropped off my friends sitting you know,
Speaker 1: looking back at my go pro, didn't really see anything,
Speaker 1: looked at my you know, phone camera, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what's this, and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: blow it up a little bit, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: what is that? That's interesting? And I mean, I you
Speaker 1: probably saw my postings. I did post it online many
Speaker 1: many years ago. That was twenty nineteen, and this is
Speaker 1: kind of a late twenty nineteen ish and then of
Speaker 1: course months later we get into COVID and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But it just, I don't know, it didn't look like
Speaker 1: a stump to me. You know, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: not a stump. I'm not saying it's not a bear
Speaker 1: it's not a dog, it's you know, it looks suspicious
Speaker 1: to me. And what's interesting is, you know, the timing
Speaker 1: was interesting that you can kind of get a sense
Speaker 1: of the size. So I sent you a few pictures
Speaker 1: to kind of show you, like how far away it
Speaker 1: was and kind of get it closer in to kind
Speaker 1: of again get a sense of the size. And I never,
Speaker 1: I never professed to say it is what way it
Speaker 1: could be. It looks like a dog man to me,
Speaker 1: but that's just my opinion. And then when I brought
Speaker 1: it up, you can imagine, soon there after I went,
Speaker 1: I was traveling down the States. I talked to Robin,
Speaker 1: I talked to Melman, I talked to the Marvin Camp
Speaker 1: from the you know, Sokhombi tribe, you know, the elder
Speaker 1: for the Socolby tribe. And they are, you know, especially
Speaker 1: indigenous folks are kind of like, oh my gosh. They
Speaker 1: kind of like look away because they think it's a
Speaker 1: malevolent being creature. Yeah, kind of like a dog man.
Speaker 1: And so it was always an interesting picture to me. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to say that that is a dog
Speaker 1: man or that is a bigfoot, but very interesting picture
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Picture a side. Where are you at with dog Man?
Speaker 1: Now? You're going to get them better too. Like again,
Speaker 1: like even if you take that ten percent of the
Speaker 1: population that says they see ghosts or UFOs or Bigfoot
Speaker 1: or dog Man, you know they you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're out of their mind, right, I've heard enough stories.
Speaker 1: I think the dog man side again, I you know,
Speaker 1: just not being not being an expert, but again that
Speaker 1: it leads towards the malevolence side of Bigfoot. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're engineered that way. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the creative artistic storyteller Jason is kind of like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like they could be engineered by the government,
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. You know, nobody can
Speaker 1: prove that obviously, but I mean if there is, if
Speaker 1: there is a sasquatch and they are interdimensional, maybe something
Speaker 1: else can come from that dimension as well. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a document because then you can kind of go down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole further where I know some people believe
Speaker 1: that there's goat Man and there's Chewbacabra and on and
Speaker 1: on and on, So what are these what are these creatures?
Speaker 2: The photo is one of those photos where it's it
Speaker 2: could or couldn't be, you know, just and I believe
Speaker 2: you're perfectly honest about that.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: But it sure does look interesting. It sure does seem
Speaker 2: to have the right shape to it and seems to
Speaker 2: be it just seems to be doing the type of
Speaker 2: thing that those things do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've we've all seen enough of the blob squatch
Speaker 1: or I don't know what the version of a blob
Speaker 1: dog man is that kind of has like the years
Speaker 1: and the stuff, and they can kind of see it,
Speaker 1: but you kind of you kind of can't. So yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, have you heard of any sightings in that
Speaker 2: area for dog man?
Speaker 1: It's it has come up. I mean, you know, all
Speaker 1: of British Columbia, some of the you know, some of
Speaker 1: the folks that I go out with do talk about that.
Speaker 1: They we you know, they've encountered dog men and you know,
Speaker 1: ushering people out of the area so to speak. So yes,
Speaker 1: I mean I have twelve foot fourteen foot. It sounds
Speaker 1: weird to say that, but yeah, I mean, these these
Speaker 1: ones are tall out here, and I think the further
Speaker 1: you go up, I mean then you kind of get
Speaker 1: into Alaska and Yukon. For U and you know they're
Speaker 1: very prevalent and huge out there too, but I have
Speaker 1: not heard. That's where I kind of lean towards the
Speaker 1: eleventh and malevolence side of dog men. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you try and get I've been a huge fan of
Speaker 1: the David Pleidi's worked for a while and they've communicated
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and that could be the missing
Speaker 1: for a one to one piece. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say that there isn't because on the Sasquatch side,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there is a malevolence there, but it
Speaker 1: just feels like, you know, they're you know, they're pissed
Speaker 1: off with us ruining our planet and all that other stuff,
Speaker 1: right and and you know, protecting the land and all
Speaker 1: that stuff too. And of course you know, what would
Speaker 1: we do with one if we found one anyway, But
Speaker 1: I just it feels like there's more of a belevolence
Speaker 1: on the Sasquatch side than there is the dog man.
Speaker 2: Humble opinions, Yeah, well, I mean, if we're talking humble opinions,
Speaker 2: which you know, I'm not saying my opinion is worth
Speaker 2: anything or valid in any way, but whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to the missing four one one stuff, even if you
Speaker 2: take say less than half of those as something strange
Speaker 2: and unexplainable. In my opinion, I do believe that Bigfoot
Speaker 2: or sasquatch or whatever you want to call it, is
Speaker 2: capable of doing horrible things in certain situations an individual
Speaker 2: to individual. However, I still think that that number would
Speaker 2: be too large for it to be Bigfoot. I think
Speaker 2: for Bigfoot, would Bigfoot take a person? Maybe I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that they wouldn't, but I think it would be
Speaker 2: such a rarity that the number of missing four one
Speaker 2: one cases is too large for it to be Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yep, love what you're laying down, absolutely, but who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, you've looked into you know
Speaker 2: you were talking about you used to be part of
Speaker 2: a paranormal group, and you know the UFO stuff. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's a lot of overlaps in all of these subjects
Speaker 2: which could just be related to eyewitnesses experiencing them. But
Speaker 2: do you think there's an actual connection between any of them?
Speaker 1: Well, and again, as in that documentary you're watching last night,
Speaker 1: kind the same thing too. They say, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reported sasquatch Bigfoot sightings near UFO sightings.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that connection is the ghosts. It's
Speaker 1: so tough. When I ran around Thank you for paranormal group.
Speaker 1: I did that. I was about a half year or two.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of strange thing. I've seen so
Speaker 1: many orbs I've seen missed, you know, and and I've
Speaker 1: had that heaviness feeling there you go, there's no heaviness
Speaker 1: feeling that they didn't have the sasquatch, I guess, but gosh,
Speaker 1: it seems to all be interconnected with What is connected
Speaker 1: is ghosts, UFOs, sasquatch, maybe even encryptids. Maybe less of cryptids.
Speaker 1: It's just there's that reoccurring theme of X percentage of
Speaker 1: the population has seen.
Speaker 2: It and.
Speaker 1: The other half the other percentage you just can't convince them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And out of that too. To my point
Speaker 1: is one hundred people tell their story, I mean, make
Speaker 1: you know, back with the UFOs, Oh, it's swamp gas
Speaker 1: or it's ball lighting or whatever it happens to be too.
Speaker 1: But there's still those unexplained ones that are ten percent.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know if it's our job, Matt,
Speaker 1: to get that percentage up to fifty percent for the
Speaker 1: general population. But I'm going to try why not something
Speaker 1: to do? It's a passion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's those uncomforts truths, man, It's it's people who
Speaker 2: aren't comfortable with what they're hearing, so they find explanations
Speaker 2: that they're comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Hundre percent. Well, it's scary too, there was I've heard
Speaker 1: that over the years, and again with that dog last night,
Speaker 1: where you know, if there is sasquatch, bigfoot and the
Speaker 1: government fund yeah, they're out there, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: does that screw it up from the lumber industry, does
Speaker 1: it screw it up for you know, people feeling comfortable
Speaker 1: going out too the forest? I could see how that
Speaker 1: would be a problem.
Speaker 2: You know, earlier you were talking about how you strongly
Speaker 2: believe there's a paranormal element to this, and you also
Speaker 2: believe that they are definitely flesh and blood on some level.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, ten twenty years ago, it was
Speaker 2: either flesh and blood or paranormal. It can't be both, you.
Speaker 1: Know dat I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how people you know, the question always comes up, well,
Speaker 2: why is the government covering it up? Why won't they
Speaker 2: acknowledge it, and everybody has their answer. Obviously top answer
Speaker 2: on the board. Lumber industry would lose too much money.
Speaker 2: That's everybody's go to, right. But now I'm starting to
Speaker 2: think it's probably not one thing or another. It's probably
Speaker 2: a bunch of things collectively.
Speaker 1: I could see that to you. Well, good point too.
Speaker 1: What if the I don't know, just on a technology level,
Speaker 1: if there's a sasquatch out there, if it can cloak,
Speaker 1: if it can do infrasound, that's I don't know, not
Speaker 1: to be you know, the cabal, the government conspiracist guy.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Like that'd be pretty heavy tech
Speaker 1: to get a hold of and exploit.
Speaker 2: We're going to have to have an off air conversation
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I want to ask you all.
Speaker 2: I've got you here just because I'm interested in everything,
Speaker 2: not just bigfoot stuff or cryptids or paranorle But okay,
Speaker 2: you were talking about disclosure and the government, you know,
Speaker 2: acknowledging that they're out there. We don't know what they are, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: Well that's going on with the United States. Is the
Speaker 2: Canadian government doing the same thing. What are they saying
Speaker 2: anything official about UFOs. They have not.
Speaker 1: We're I think a bit behind you folks on that too,
Speaker 1: and selt there. It really hasn't. I can't remember the
Speaker 1: member of parliament that had brought up the UFO thing,
Speaker 1: kind of like you're I think you're Harry Reid if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, kind of brought that up on the
Speaker 1: UFO site. Yeah, good or bad, we had our version
Speaker 1: of Harry. His name escapes me. This is like going
Speaker 1: ten plus years ago. Don't really don't really see or
Speaker 1: hear a lot about it. I know it's heavily on
Speaker 1: the indigenous side. I mean it's funny like it's it's
Speaker 1: just like a normal thing. Like I've been actually going
Speaker 1: to the state aluss Nation, which is about about an
Speaker 1: hour away from me, and that's the birthplace of the
Speaker 1: Sasquat name is what they called it where they you know,
Speaker 1: the the white man ended up calling it Sasquatch, right,
Speaker 1: That's where the name came from, which is not too
Speaker 1: far away from me, And I've been going out there
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just so cathartic to be out
Speaker 1: on their land. And I've had the opportunity to have
Speaker 1: them to set the Sasquatch drum for me a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and they tell tales up on I can't
Speaker 1: remember the mountain that's not too far away from them,
Speaker 1: but they have these seven large pillars where they say
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch comes once a year and they have their
Speaker 1: meeting of the roundtable. Shall we say it's just that government,
Speaker 1: no indigenous peoples. Yes, Like it's very prevalent. It's very
Speaker 1: talked about. I don't they don't make it like shout
Speaker 1: it from the mountaintops or anything, but it's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how far along are you at the documentary project?
Speaker 1: I got some missing pieces and I would like to
Speaker 1: complete it by the end of this year. And you
Speaker 1: know what it was is I think with paranormal stuff,
Speaker 1: it's tough because it's it's a hard sell to the
Speaker 1: state of the film industry itself is kind of messed
Speaker 1: up right now, and that includes factual, scripted and unscripted.
Speaker 1: It's interesting when you might have a great idea. It's
Speaker 1: funny I came up with the Paranormal Verdict. It's a
Speaker 1: TV series and I kind of had this vision when
Speaker 1: I told you that story about there's more evidence for
Speaker 1: Sasquatch in some cases than there is people in prison
Speaker 1: right now. And I said, wow, I need a judge, judy,
Speaker 1: and then how about we have like, let's do a
Speaker 1: Sasquatch on trial. Let's have all the experts come in
Speaker 1: tell the judge, you know, you know, the reasoning why,
Speaker 1: and what's all the evidence, and let the judge decide,
Speaker 1: and of course have skeptics come in there to try
Speaker 1: and deep bucket and stuff like that. But I've got
Speaker 1: a number series like that, including the one with no
Speaker 1: but an indication piece. But it's such a difficult sell
Speaker 1: because of this did in the industry and because they're
Speaker 1: always looking for a name brand. There's a gentleman that
Speaker 1: does a paranormal ghost series that shall remain nameless, and
Speaker 1: it's funny like he's got four or five different offshoots
Speaker 1: of his own series. They just really want like a
Speaker 1: solid name behind it. So it's it's a slog's trying
Speaker 1: to get this time. So what I did with the
Speaker 1: Melbourne project, which is called Bigfit De Coded, that's just
Speaker 1: all about trying to carve together that final pitch deck
Speaker 1: and that sizzle reel and then get it sold to
Speaker 1: a network, and if it doesn't, I'll just go back
Speaker 1: to what I told you before, as I don't care
Speaker 1: if I haven't sold anything. And I'm eighty years old
Speaker 1: at least I tried, So what I would probably end
Speaker 1: up doing is taking that final piece and then just
Speaker 1: self producing it and self sorry, self distributing it.
Speaker 2: Well, man, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me.
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it, and uh, we're gonna have to keep touch, man.
Speaker 2: I think this is the begin it ain't of a
Speaker 2: beautiful friendship.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a bestine in Vancouver now and anytime,
Speaker 1: any time you ever come up here. Man, your money's
Speaker 1: going a long way compared to ours, so you'll live
Speaker 1: like a king up here if to hang out for
Speaker 1: a week, but open door policy. And if I ever
Speaker 1: get down in your earneck the woods, I'd love to
Speaker 1: meet up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I appreciate it. If you've experienced ask
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