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Speaker 1: That government regulation, government outreach. When it goes too far,

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it adds not only time and halse so, but it

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adds costs. You know, compliance costs and makes it so

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that you can only operate in certain ways. That limits

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the type of business you can or can't do. And

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a lot of these, you know, small businesses are small

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family farms, whether they're amish or not, are not able

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to sustain that kind of thing. You know, the great

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big operations can do that, and they got the army

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lobbyists and lawyers and accountants to help them do it too.

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Speaker 3: And welcome. You are listening to and watching the Financial

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Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Well, a lot

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of changes taking place in the country, a lot of things,

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maybe good and bad. What's going to happen with the

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Trump tariffs? They're definitely coming. There's no question about it.

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And what effect will that have on the dollar, on trade,

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on inflation. And right now we have Brian Reisinger with us. Brian,

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great to talk to you, and Hey, you're particularly concerned

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about the impact upon farming based on your book Land Rich,

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Cash Poor, My Family's Hope and the untold history of

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the disappearing American farmer. They seem to want to get

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rid of farmers in this country. You know, the last election,

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the amiship been under attack because they sell raw milk

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and the government keeps wanting to regulate their farm, and

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to a large extent they voted to reject over regulation

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because of their own financial interests. They're interests same as

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farmers across the country, aren't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, thank you for having me, and

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you're absolutely right. I mean the Amash farmers, particularly in

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Pennsylvania area where there's a lot of them. From a

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voting standpoint, you know, in many ways they're not unlike

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family farms all across the country. I mean in some

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ways that they there's certain technology they don't use that

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family farms like the one I grew up Undo, But

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a lot of our small family farms are working in

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the same types of economics that those Amish farms are.

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And the reality is that government regulation, government outreach, when

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it goes too far, it adds not only time and

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hass so, but it adds costs, you know, compliance costs.

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certain ways. That limits the type of business you can

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or can't do. And a lot of these, you know,

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small businesses, are small family farms, whether they're Amish or not,

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are not able to sustain that kind of thing. You know,

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the great big operations can do that, and they got

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the army of lobbyists and lawyers and accountants to help

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them do it too, on top of having the money

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to do it. But it's a lot of times it's

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the small family farm, it's the Amish farmer. It's just

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like a small business, just like a main street business.

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They have a real challenge with those additional costs and

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when they're already operating on tight margins.

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Speaker 3: So what about like it looks like a lot of

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small farmers getting into organic and healthy farming, and you know,

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but you get a higher margin there. And honestly, the

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food tastes better. You know, up until ten years ago

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really researched it. These big factory farms have really been

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injurious to American health, haven't they?

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Speaker 1: And global Yeah, you know, we have an instance where

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people care more than ever about where their food comes from.

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creates an opportunity for some thing we haven't had in

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this country for a long time, which is new entrepreneur

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opportunity for our farmers. You know, so many of our

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family farms are locked into growing on a certain type

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of crop because there's some level of income they can

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count on. There might be government support, you know, guaranteeing

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more of that income, but it's not the kind of

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income they need. The problem isn't solved. Their costs are

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going up, and to your point, the margins are getting tighter,

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you know, and they don't set those prices, you know,

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their prices set by global and international national commodity markets,

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et cetera. Sometimes that maybe a regional commodity market, and

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so you know, pursuing fresh, local food, specialty food markets,

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those are opportunities to set some prices that can you know,

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improve your margins a little bit. So it's a real opportunity.

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farm families like ours. The demand is really just beginning.

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need stronger local and regional economies. We need stronger special

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markets for more farms to be able to shift to

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that entrepren opportunity. So it's headed in a good direction,

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but we need that consumer demand to build more of

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that market viability for farmers so that more of those

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farmers can make that transition because they want to do it.

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that people want to put in their bodies. You know.

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and the chicken, I want hormone free, antibiotic free, and

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when it comes to fish, I want wild caught. And

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it seems like with the current change of administration coming

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Human Services Department. He's going to be the secretary there.

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it could be completely upended. And to your point of

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your earlier question, there's opportunity there for farmers. You know,

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there's opportunity for farmers to be able to transition toward

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new types of crop products that can supply.

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Speaker 1: More of that food. We can have new entrepreneur opportunity

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for our farmers, and we can have more choices for

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an increasingly health and food conscious consumer public. And the

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thing that we need to do is figure out how

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do we do that and allow farms that are small

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businesses to make that transition. You know, a lot of

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farms have a certain number acres they have to put

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into that one crop they're growing to be able to

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make the money they need to and there again, most

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they're not what they need, but it's better than nothing.

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crops and transition from one crop to another crop and

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see if it works, there's risk to that, and there's

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also cost to that when they have type margins. So

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we need to navigate this in a way that can

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allow our country small businesses to pivot toward that new opportunity,

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and I think we can do that. But that's there's

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investigating Wire Farm's been disappearing for decades, and that is

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that hope and peril often go hand in hand, you know,

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because change needs to occur, and there's some pain that

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comes with that, but there's also new upside and that's

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our American farmer and our food supply.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just think, if you could eat healthy

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when you're younger, a lot of the medical conditions you

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have when you get older, the chronic conditions wouldn't exist.

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a lot of this stuff is dictated by the government

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packaging and what you can say and what you can't.

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it's organic. It might be organic, but it's it's nutrient

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it's nutritionally sparse. You want nutritionally dense foods. And that's

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something that the average consumer, unless you've got this certain

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meter to measure the food, you can't know so you

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want organic, but actually it could be worse for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. And you know the reality is

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that our our government has not been able to navigate

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this the right way for us. A lot of times

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the government ends up being captured by certain types of industries,

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you know. So there's a lot of changes need to happen.

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you're right about it. The traditional issue has been that

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our kind of conventional food system provides cheaper food, then

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the local food movement provides maybe better but more expensive food.

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food prices are through the roof. So our kind of

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conventional food system isn't necessarily doing what it used to do.

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It isn't necessarily providing affordable food anymore. In fact, it's

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not just inflation, the runaway inflation that we saw. It's

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there are other reasons that food has risen at a

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higher rate than inflation, and one of them has to

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do with the destruction of our family farms. And here's

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what I mean by that. The fewer small family farms

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supply is in fewer hands, right and you've got a

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really large integrated food system with you know, very few

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great big distribution centers, great big food processes, great big companies.

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American et communy. It is a systemic wide thing. But

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here's what happens. We saw this during COVID and we're

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seeing it during bird flu. Now, when you know a

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farm or a distribution center or processing center goes down

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for some reason in COVID because they're being shut down

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with bird flu, because they maybe have to slaughter a

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whole bunch of chickens, because there's an infection that affects

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our food supply in a huge way. So why are

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the price of eggs through the rough right now? It's

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because our supply chain is vulnerable. Why was food more

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expensive or you know a lot of it you couldn't

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this system that's capable of modern miracles. But is also

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deeply vulnerable the supply chain disruption and the price goes

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through the rough and the availability. I was into the basement.

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Speaker 3: So what about technology for small farmers, the ability to

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have a tractor that's geo fenced and the automated all

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these other things. Is that bringing a big change?

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Speaker 1: It is, and it's a change that can go either way.

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It can either help with the challenge of our disappearing

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American farmer and what it does to the costs and

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the health and the security of our food supply, or

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it can hurt. And what I mean by that is,

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you know, one of the things I found in my

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book lang Reage, Cash Poor is that there were economic crises,

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there were government mistakes, and then there were technological issues.

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been driving the disciplines of our farms. Technology has always

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been a double edged sore. The innovation of technology is

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what allowed us to have more people taken on more

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acres and more animals with fewer people breaking their backs

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to do it. Is the reason that not everyone in

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this country has to grow their food. You know, It's

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the reason that household budgets are have a smaller share

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of their money going toward grocery stores. The flip side

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is most of our technology, for the better part of

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all the past fifty sixty years, has gone toward just

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finding ways that farms can get bigger, can get economic scale.

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accomplish that, and you know, have again so that not

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everyone in this country shu grow their own food. But

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it went so far, and we have so much technology

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that's been leaving behind other family farms. It didn't need

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we hit that point where we needed to be made

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kind of change when you talk to economists, and what

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we should have been doing is pursuing what's called scale

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neutral technology. That's where you can pursue technology that can

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we've been marching toward more and more technology that frankly

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could be perfectly efficient, they could be just as smart,

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they could be just as hard working, In many cases

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they're more hard working, but they don't have the technological

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innovation opportunity that other operations do, so they go by

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and bring more of our farms along? Are we going

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plant to plant fields and sounds like it's going to

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is it going to continue on? You know, the government

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loves concentration because then it's easier to regulate and easier

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to tax. You know, they get one check instead of

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ten thousand checks for in ten thousand tax returns. I mean,

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that's what they're about. But it looks like the people,

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maybe you're at the point where we're rebelling against this.

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I think that's absolute right. It's a choice that we're

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all gonna make.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to have more consumers moving in the

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direction of buying their food and other goods in this

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country in a way that supports American farmers? Are we

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going to continue on the current path. You're absolutely right,

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and there is something we knew about it. So the

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stats are kind of, you know, are kind of terrifying

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when you're hear. But then there's also hope. US forty

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five thousand farms per year on average for the past century.

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That's seventy percent of farms. We also have still nearly

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two million farms less than this country. And of those

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two million farms, eighty eight percent of them or small

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family farms. Ninety six of them are family operations, even

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if they're bigger. So you got nearly two million farm

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families operate in small farms that this country has made

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it almost impossible economically to continue. We are still doing it.

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How are they doing it? They're working two to three jobs.

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You got guys working factory shifts or porn concrete, you know,

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and operating a farm. And what if we were to

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pursue the kinds of changes you and I were talking about,

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What if we were to have new entrepreneur opportunity for

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our farms in this country. Imagine these nearly two million

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farm families that are still at it even though it's

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impossible economically. Imagine what they could accomplish if they were

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able to have growing entrepreneurial ventures with their small businesses. Again,

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so we can turn this around. But if we don't,

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if we continue to lose farms at the rate of

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forty five thousand a year on a we're going to

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wipe out most of the best of our family farms

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if within a generation. That's that's the math, and it's un.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that would really be a shame and it's

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unnecessary and should be avoided. Small as beautiful as that

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book came out in the eighties. Anyway, Brian will have

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a link in the show notes to this interview on

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Financial Survival Network dot com for your book. Is there

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a website we can find you at?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, So people can find my book on Amazon

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or any other online retailer language check or also my

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website is Brian Dasherisinger dot com. So Brian b R

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n G e R dot com. And you know, I

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just appreciate anybody who picks up the book. We talk

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about the hidden reasons our farms are just appearing. Will

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leave that with my family's four generation story from the depression. Today,

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anybody who gets us talking about these issues has become

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a part of the solution, so I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Hey got a question for Brian or

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my off shoot me an email kl at Carrie LUTs

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dot com Brian, which is the best of luck.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Krey, Thank care, Thanks for listening to

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Carrie Letz's Financial Survival Network, your solution to today's trying times.

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