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Speaker 4: All right, good afternoon, Happy Monday, and welcome in.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't here Friday because I had to
Speaker 4: take one more day to get my voice back in order,
Speaker 4: which I'm not sure if it's one hundred percent, but man,
Speaker 4: I feel a lot better.
Speaker 2: And it hit me on Friday.
Speaker 4: Whenever I was starting to feel better, I had a
Speaker 4: weird sinus infection slash bronchitis type thing going on, which
Speaker 4: really sucked, to be honest with you, But uh, you know,
Speaker 4: it didn't really hit me until Friday. Whenever I was
Speaker 4: feeling better, right, I didn't. I didn't feel, you know,
Speaker 4: like congested as much. I started to feel a little
Speaker 4: bit more like myself. But the voice continued to really
Speaker 4: really suck. And even when healthy, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: my voice doesn't suck, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like it was, it was rough, and uh, I thought,
Speaker 4: given that I do talk for three hours a day
Speaker 4: on a talk show, and I talk a lot. You
Speaker 4: know Austin, of course he's here today, He's always with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up back.
Speaker 4: He's a big he's a big part of the show
Speaker 4: as well. But you know, I can, I can get
Speaker 4: to yapping. So probably within one hour of the show,
Speaker 4: of the three hours, I may talk more and project
Speaker 4: more than a lot of people do in their entire day,
Speaker 4: depending on what they do. So me still doing the show. Oh,
Speaker 4: while dealing with that, the voice was never going to
Speaker 4: get better. So I got together with with the brass here,
Speaker 4: the bosses, and we just decided, look, let's just let's
Speaker 4: give it an extra day to rest meeting the voice,
Speaker 4: and hopefully by Monday we'll be rocking and rolling. And
Speaker 4: that's exactly what is happening right now. I mean, we
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Speaker 2: It sounds like you're over it. Yeah, I'm for the
Speaker 2: most part. Yeah, I mean I think like every now
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Speaker 4: But overall than the coughing spells, oh yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: won't have any coughing spells today, knock on wood. But
Speaker 4: I mean, we're good to go, and I really just
Speaker 4: wanted a normal week. Last week was weird because of
Speaker 4: the holiday that I wasn't going to take off because
Speaker 4: we get the camp day option. I ended up taking
Speaker 4: it because it wasn't feeling well, and then we got
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Speaker 4: I'm very much big in routine, in rhythm, structure, and
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Speaker 4: kind of dive right in here talking about the weekend
Speaker 4: that was when it comes to college basketball, certainly a
Speaker 4: lot to unpack with college hoops overall. We are now
Speaker 4: just you know, I mean, what are we less than
Speaker 4: a week away from March? Yeah, I mean it'll be
Speaker 4: March on Saturday, folks, Which is crazy to think how
Speaker 4: quickly January and February gone by, but just four regular
Speaker 4: season games left. I know for Louisville Kentucky, I believe
Speaker 4: it may be the same thing. So we are rounding
Speaker 4: out the regular season. I feel like, if you are
Speaker 4: safely in the tournament now, have a hard time thinking
Speaker 4: there's anything that could be done that would remove you
Speaker 4: from the tournament. But you know, Louisville Virginia Tech tomorrow
Speaker 4: on the road. Then they finished with three straight home
Speaker 4: games to wrap up the season, Pittsburgh, California and Stanford.
Speaker 4: So I mean they're currently in the top twenty of
Speaker 4: both poles. Now they're up to number nineteen in the
Speaker 4: APE Pole and number seventeen I believe it is in
Speaker 4: the coaches polls.
Speaker 2: So Lowell's in a good spot.
Speaker 4: And now I just hope they can finish wrong and
Speaker 4: avoid some kind of a loss. And I'm not worried
Speaker 4: that they're going to slip up and loose to one
Speaker 4: of these teams. So you know, it's not that I'm
Speaker 4: thinking we should be, you know, concerned about seeding that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, because I mean, if they just take
Speaker 4: care of business, win these games about double digits, they'll
Speaker 4: probably maintain their status and then you get to the
Speaker 4: ACC tournament and hope that you get an opportunity to
Speaker 4: get a valuable win against a team like Clemson or Duke.
Speaker 2: So Louiell was in a good spot.
Speaker 4: But I found myself on Saturday during the Florida State
Speaker 4: game having to kind of balance the all right, not
Speaker 4: our best performance, not the best game. You know, defensively
Speaker 4: Florida State, you know they're not good by any means,
Speaker 4: but they're also not even close to being one of
Speaker 4: the worst teams in the league. So like I was
Speaker 4: doing the thing where I it's almost like I and
Speaker 4: this is the way it's going to.
Speaker 2: Be the rest of the season here in the ACC.
Speaker 2: Like if Louisville ends up playing closer against Virginia Tech
Speaker 2: tomorrow night, then maybe we expect because here's what Louisville
Speaker 2: has done. They've beat the hell out of a lot
Speaker 2: of teams. Like, They've not just won fourteen of their
Speaker 2: sixteen ACC games thus far, most of their wins have
Speaker 2: been enormous or close to it. I mean, Florida State
Speaker 2: was an eight point victory. You beat Notre Dame by fifteen.
Speaker 2: You beat NC State by fifteen.
Speaker 4: Actually no, you beat them by twenty five, beat Miami
Speaker 4: by double digits, beat Boston College by close to twenty
Speaker 4: five or something like that. So it's not just that
Speaker 4: Louisville has, you know, been able to take advantage of
Speaker 4: the ACC that's in a spot that a lot of
Speaker 4: us never thought they would be in like they've really
Speaker 4: And that's look, I don't if Louisville has the same record,
Speaker 4: maybe they're still ranked, but I do think that people
Speaker 4: are paying attention that they are not just running through
Speaker 4: this league with just two losses. For the most part,
Speaker 4: they're beating down teams. And even though these teams that
Speaker 4: they're beating down aren't very good, it could be a
Speaker 4: different situation if you're barely getting by. That's where I
Speaker 4: think you would say, man, they're just they're not any good.
Speaker 4: It's just the fact that they're playing and allows the ACC.
Speaker 4: Which I'm sure you'll find some people that say that,
Speaker 4: But I just need to realize if Louisville isn't a
Speaker 4: closer game against Florida State like they were Saturday, when
Speaker 4: they play when they play Virginia Tech tomorrow, like if
Speaker 4: this game is if it's a seven eight point game
Speaker 4: with ten minutes left, I think instantly my mind would
Speaker 4: be like, all right, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: Is this gonna happen?
Speaker 4: And I need to just realize, like, no, like these
Speaker 4: teams are still I mean, they're not dead. None of
Speaker 4: these teams you play the rest of the way are
Speaker 4: any good. But you know, if you don't come ready
Speaker 4: to play, they may have a good game and surprise you.
Speaker 4: I doubt that that happens, but I'm going to enjoy
Speaker 4: the rest of this regular season as best I can
Speaker 4: because I love watching this team play. But I'm also
Speaker 4: kind of just ready to see what would happen when
Speaker 4: they play a legitimately good team. And I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that we haven't been able to take legitimate positives from
Speaker 4: this run that they've been on since January, because I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's been phenomenal.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, I believe Louisville is as good
Speaker 2: as a top five seed. Overall. I believe they could
Speaker 2: be a Sweet sixteen team.
Speaker 4: I think what I've watched in the last couple of
Speaker 4: months has made me feel confident that this is a
Speaker 4: team that they play well, they'll find themselves in the
Speaker 4: second weekend.
Speaker 2: And the reality is you never know.
Speaker 4: But what I'm getting at is, it's just we have
Speaker 4: to also consider that when they get to the NCAA tournament,
Speaker 4: and let's say they win their first round game, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, what are they looking at like a
Speaker 4: sixth seed right now? I'm gonna pull up the latest
Speaker 4: bracketsology here, and of course, the first one that comes
Speaker 4: up that is most recently updated, we've got our man,
Speaker 4: mister Jerry Palm of CBS Sports. So Louisville is at
Speaker 4: a seventh seed right now, so they'll play a ten
Speaker 4: seed in the first round.
Speaker 2: Let's say there are seven.
Speaker 4: The other tens are San Diego State, Nebraska, West Virginia BYU.
Speaker 4: But let's say they get let's say they get a
Speaker 4: six seed. Eleven seeds could be Oklahoma VCU and then
Speaker 4: the play in games, I guess would be Xavier, Arkansas, Indiana,
Speaker 4: Wake Forest, those kind of teams. And I'm trying to
Speaker 4: see the point I'm trying to make is this as
Speaker 4: much as you know, you maybe you don't care, and
Speaker 4: I don't care either.
Speaker 2: Look the acc stinking it's not good.
Speaker 4: I don't like it, but like it has not made
Speaker 4: me feel like I need to really just you know,
Speaker 4: not be excited about Louisville. And it's not made me
Speaker 4: at any point think I need to pump the brakes
Speaker 4: and say, well, this team really isn't very good.
Speaker 2: They're just playing in a bad league. I think both
Speaker 2: things can be true.
Speaker 4: The league is down substantially, but I also think this
Speaker 4: Louisville team has really rounded into form and when they're
Speaker 4: playing well, they've got a lot of good pieces, and
Speaker 4: I think they could be a team again that making
Speaker 4: the second weekend wouldn't be a big shocker. But one
Speaker 4: thing that just is worth pointing out is when you
Speaker 4: get to just your first round game, there's a good
Speaker 4: chance you're gonna play a team that is better than
Speaker 4: everybody you've played January on outside of Clemson. Think about that.
Speaker 4: So I don't say that to like put anybody on panic,
Speaker 4: you know, the panic alert. As far as well, Louisville
Speaker 4: isn't a team that can win games in the tournament.
Speaker 4: But I just like I I that probably doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I hope it doesn't matter. But just know that when
Speaker 4: they get to that first round game, especially if they're
Speaker 4: a seven seed, Like, do we think that these ten seeds,
Speaker 4: you know, Nebraska, I mean even West Virginia BYU who's
Speaker 4: been playing great lately. I mean, look at teams like Yukon.
Speaker 4: Even Yukon could be your ten seed if you're seven, Baylor, Illinois, Gonzaga,
Speaker 4: New Mexico, those are all teams in that range that
Speaker 4: you could play in your first round game. And I
Speaker 4: have confidence that if Louisville played right now against a
Speaker 4: Gonzaga against New Mexico, they'd win.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about those teams specifically to know
Speaker 4: about matchups, but like, I feel really really good about Louisville,
Speaker 4: but I also will admit that that would be the
Speaker 4: biggest test we've seen them have outside of Clemson in
Speaker 4: the last however many games they've played since January started.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense, Austin, Like, I'm not telling anybody that, like,
Speaker 4: we shouldn't be super excited and feel great about this team,
Speaker 4: but I think we also just need to be aware
Speaker 4: that everybody who gets in the tournament from the ACC
Speaker 4: they're likely going to be playing teams right out of
Speaker 4: the gate other than Duke, who's going to play, you know,
Speaker 4: a sixteen, but even Duke, when Duke gets to the
Speaker 4: second round and they're playing an eight or nine, whether
Speaker 4: it be these teams that just mentioned Saint Mary's, Yukon, Vandy, Baylor, Illinois,
Speaker 4: New Mexico, like in the second round, Duke will be
Speaker 4: playing probably the best team that they have played, sure
Speaker 4: in you know, since since January started.
Speaker 5: That's just the kind of feeling that I have because
Speaker 5: I am excited. I mean, we're finally gonna make the
Speaker 5: tournament again watching these blowout wins, but you also had
Speaker 5: the caveat in the back of your mind that this
Speaker 5: is the ACC I'll be at a very down ACC year.
Speaker 5: So it just, if anything, it just makes me nervous
Speaker 5: for what other games that we have ahead of March.
Speaker 5: That's why I wouldn't get myself too excited, even though
Speaker 5: I know that we have the dudes and hell even
Speaker 5: the coach that could probably get us pretty far. But
Speaker 5: just knowing that we're not ads battle tested.
Speaker 2: Yes, as a second round team that we face up again,
Speaker 2: we still never have to worry about that, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it used to just be a given if
Speaker 4: you're playing in the acc In previous years, you're playing
Speaker 4: tournament caliber teams maybe every night, and now that's just
Speaker 4: not the way it is. So let me try to,
Speaker 4: I guess, walk you through sort of why my mind
Speaker 4: is there, because again, I'm going to probably emphasize it
Speaker 4: more than I need to, because I still have an issue.
Speaker 4: I haven't recovered from being labeled this negative, awful fan
Speaker 4: because I just, I mean, I had a job to do.
Speaker 4: I had to be honest and talk about how bad
Speaker 4: things were with Kenny Pain. I know a lot of
Speaker 4: people agreed, but you know, I seemed like I was
Speaker 4: a little heavy handed because you know, it's something that
Speaker 4: we have to talk about. That's quite literally what this
Speaker 4: job is, talk about college basketball in a Louisville market.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think Louisville will be ready.
Speaker 4: I think Pat Kelsey's the kind of coach that'll make
Speaker 4: sure his team is absolutely ready in the tournament. But
Speaker 4: I worry that Look if they did have an early upset,
Speaker 4: like again, if they're in a seven to ten game,
Speaker 4: which is what a lot of people would project it
Speaker 4: to be right now, and they lose, like I think,
Speaker 4: because of the ride we've been on since January, fans
Speaker 4: would feel like, man, that was such a disappointment. They
Speaker 4: went to the tournament and they flamed out, And I
Speaker 4: would be so defensive of that because like, yes and no,
Speaker 4: like they won a lot of games, right, but really,
Speaker 4: what you know, there's no way, there's no way to
Speaker 4: balance it the way I want to, because it's gonna
Speaker 4: either sound as if like I'm like, if Louisville makes
Speaker 4: it to the first round and loses in that seven
Speaker 4: to ten matchup, or maybe they lose in the eight nine,
Speaker 4: or who knows, maybe they lose in the six eleven.
Speaker 4: Because again, like let's just be real, if if Louisville's
Speaker 4: a six seed and they get one of these play
Speaker 4: in teams who wins, they could take on Arkansas or Indiana,
Speaker 4: and you've already beat Indiana. But the way they played
Speaker 4: yesterday against Perdue, I don't know, they look really good.
Speaker 4: And Arkansas, I mean, I just wouldn't want to play
Speaker 4: a team that talented with nothing to lose. So I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that Louisville will lose to those teams and
Speaker 4: I'd be scared of them, But like, I just think
Speaker 4: given where the ACC is, as much as we feel
Speaker 4: good about Louisville. We have to acknowledge that when you
Speaker 4: get to the Big Dance, there's a good chance you're
Speaker 4: going to be stepping up in competition, and I think
Speaker 4: Louisville will be ready for that competition. Again, they're not
Speaker 4: just beating these bad teams in the ACC for the
Speaker 4: most part, they're beating them into submission. I mean, they're
Speaker 4: kicking their ass. But I'm already starting to fear that
Speaker 4: an early exit in the tournament would be viewed as
Speaker 4: if Wow, choke job. And I just think that would
Speaker 4: be so unfair because the reality of it would be
Speaker 4: this and really, we wouldn't even.
Speaker 2: We won't even.
Speaker 4: You'll never know, right, Like if you end up losing
Speaker 4: in a six to eleven game or in a seven
Speaker 4: to ten game.
Speaker 2: It won't mean it won't prove that that well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what, you were not really that good at all.
Speaker 2: It's just that you play in a lousy league, Like,
Speaker 2: we won't know that for certain people will probably run
Speaker 2: with that if that was how it played out, or
Speaker 2: it could just be that, you know, you were a
Speaker 2: really good team, but you played a team that had
Speaker 2: some issues early, they got hot late, found a way
Speaker 2: into the big dance and they're riding some momentum. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's just not a scenario really where I can look
Speaker 2: at me because I think right now, with this Louisville team,
Speaker 2: you're getting, for the most part, really the most that
Speaker 2: you can from most.
Speaker 4: Of these guys that play, Like what do we think
Speaker 4: Chucky Hepburn's not given us that he's holding out on nothing.
Speaker 4: I mean, same thing with Javon Hadley. I mean sometimes
Speaker 4: you see Terrence Edwards miss some shots, but I mean
Speaker 4: like he's I mean I feel like you're But even
Speaker 4: with all that said, I still don't look at Louisville
Speaker 4: and feel like, wow, they just have some big talent
Speaker 4: advantage over Like when I watch Florida State the other night,
Speaker 4: Louisville was better.
Speaker 2: It was clear.
Speaker 4: I mean they won the game and it never really
Speaker 4: got you know, within reach. It got down to six
Speaker 4: or seven I think it was in the second half.
Speaker 4: But like, just from a personnel standpoint, I don't look
Speaker 4: at Florida State and say, wow, they just have players
Speaker 4: Louisville or Louisville just has players Florida State can't match
Speaker 4: up with. So there's not a whole lot of room
Speaker 4: for air. With this Louisville team, I think that's always
Speaker 4: been the case all year, and they played really well,
Speaker 4: especially defensively, during this great stretch, this streak that started
Speaker 4: at the end of December.
Speaker 2: And you know with that, they're dangerous.
Speaker 4: Like I think there's a lot of teams that would
Speaker 4: not want to play Louisville right now. It's just when
Speaker 4: I look at the tournament landscape here, because again you
Speaker 4: have teams that the bubble, like wake Forest losing to
Speaker 4: NC State, who's awful on Saturday, it's probably it probably
Speaker 4: means wake Forest is going to have a tough time
Speaker 4: getting in the tournament.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least I think that it should.
Speaker 4: So just knowing that when you get to the Big Dance,
Speaker 4: unless you get a I don't know, unless you get.
Speaker 2: A five seed, which I guesse is still possible.
Speaker 4: Any seed that is realistic right now as we as
Speaker 4: it stands, I think six and seven most realistic. Eight
Speaker 4: could happen, but I don't really know how you'd have
Speaker 4: to lose to a bad team I think to get
Speaker 4: it to get anything worse than a seven, And I
Speaker 4: kind of feel like if it goes chalk and let's
Speaker 4: just say you end up, you know, easier said than Doumble.
Speaker 4: Let's say you you end up making it to the
Speaker 4: semis and loose to Clemson and Clemson plays Duke. I
Speaker 4: don't think that would hurt you to where you would
Speaker 4: end up. Like I think at that point you're probably
Speaker 4: looking at us still at a six at worst. So
Speaker 4: the eleven seeds, I guess it's more it's more of
Speaker 4: a debate, right, like is maybe a wake Forest who
Speaker 4: didn't get in, Maybe they're better than an eleven you
Speaker 4: would play And really you'll never know. But by the
Speaker 4: time you get to the second weekend, unless there's been
Speaker 4: some kind of a big upset your second and not
Speaker 4: saying I'm sorry not second week in, second round.
Speaker 2: Round of thirty two is what I meant to say.
Speaker 2: By the time you get to the round.
Speaker 4: Of thirty two, of course, if you get there, there's
Speaker 4: just a good chance that whoever you play is probably
Speaker 4: gonna be again substantially better than everybody you've played in
Speaker 4: the last two and a half months outside of Clemson.
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean Louisville can't beat them. It's just that if
Speaker 4: they do end up playing one of those teams and
Speaker 4: it's close and they fall short, I think there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a level of like wow, all that for round
Speaker 4: to thirty two, and I'll understand sort of the emotion
Speaker 4: because it would be a bummer because I want this
Speaker 4: thing to ride on until I mean hopefully when the
Speaker 4: whole thing not super realistic, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: And I just would hate for such a fun season,
Speaker 4: a team that has been so easy to root for,
Speaker 4: a team that I just I'm gonna remember them forever.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many times a day do we text
Speaker 4: each other Austin and say we love this team?
Speaker 2: Almost every day? Yeah, I mean it's there.
Speaker 4: I mean I love them, and if they fell short,
Speaker 4: I'd be disappointed, But like, I just don't want anybody
Speaker 4: to have any negative energy about.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that was all a fluke. The ACC stinks.
Speaker 4: Look, the ACC does stink compared to what it typically is,
Speaker 4: but that's not at this point changed sort of what
Speaker 4: I think Louisville can do. But it's there's still a
Speaker 4: big unknown, right if you were going through a conference
Speaker 4: schedule in the SEC or the Big Ten, you still
Speaker 4: never know what's gonna happen when you get to the
Speaker 4: Big dance because you know, it's the tournament, it's March, Madnes,
Speaker 4: it's anything can happen. But I would feel a little
Speaker 4: bit more, I guess, solidified in my belief in my team.
Speaker 4: I believe in them, I really do. It's just that
Speaker 4: without opportunities, and it's not like they've done anything wrong,
Speaker 4: it's just they have the acc is not given the
Speaker 4: tournament caliber teams. I mean, in fact, think about Clemson,
Speaker 4: Louisville and Duke, the only safe teams in right now,
Speaker 4: and yet they've had to for the most part January,
Speaker 4: February and into March. Now they're going to be playing
Speaker 4: teams that give them no benefit on the resume, but
Speaker 4: also they're not giving them any kind of a realistic
Speaker 4: test for the tournament, and that's just not a fun
Speaker 4: place to be.
Speaker 2: But you can't control it.
Speaker 4: We'll also talk about Kentucky because I mean, I thought
Speaker 4: their performance against Alabama at Alabama, given you know, their
Speaker 4: injuries and given Bama's Bama, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what else you'd expect from them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: With that said, the losses keep piling up, and I
Speaker 4: guess now the question is are they getting these guys back,
Speaker 4: Jackson Robinson and what's his name, the guy.
Speaker 2: Who lit up Louisville, Lamont Butler.
Speaker 4: Those guys like for I think for Kentucky to make
Speaker 4: a run in the tournament. I mean, I guess it's
Speaker 4: possible they beat teams without those guys, but man, they're
Speaker 4: clearly a much better team whenever they're at full strength.
Speaker 4: And I still think it's a huge question mark if
Speaker 4: either of those guys come back anytime soon. All right,
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Speaker 4: do we really need to? I do have some thoughts
Speaker 4: on the Florida State game, which I'll share in just
Speaker 4: a moment. I mean, it's it's kind of in the
Speaker 4: rearview already, and I I'm not gonna nitpick or complain
Speaker 4: because clearly there's still some great things you're seeing. Chucky
Speaker 4: Hepburn break in another record rain Smith doing what Rain
Speaker 4: Smith does, so you know, but with this game that
Speaker 4: they just finished, and of course the rest of the ones,
Speaker 4: you can still get better. You can still I mean, look,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna love watching every second of them playing. It's
Speaker 4: just I realize, as I talked about to begin to
Speaker 4: begin the show now that these are games that Louisville
Speaker 4: really is just taking care of business and that's all
Speaker 4: you can do. And I'm not ready to fast forward anything,
Speaker 4: right I want I want to hit pause and just
Speaker 4: enjoy knowing that Louisville basketball last few years has been
Speaker 4: one of the most embarrassing programs in the country at
Speaker 4: a place nobody ever thought we'd see Louisville basketball at
Speaker 4: and now we're in the top twenty of both poles,
Speaker 4: safely in the tournament.
Speaker 2: Again, I want to hit pause.
Speaker 4: This is intoxicating, this is awesome, but I just kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, we.
Speaker 2: Know what it is.
Speaker 4: Let's get these bums out of the way the rest
Speaker 4: of the way in the ACC and see where we
Speaker 4: end up on selection Sunday and hopefully ride some magic.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of in a I'm kind of contradicting
Speaker 4: myself clearly, because you know, I don't want to have
Speaker 4: this potentially come to an end anytime soon. But I
Speaker 4: also just, man, I've got such a desperation to know
Speaker 4: where Louisville stands, right Like, I think they're pretty damn good.
Speaker 4: I don't really need, you know, I don't really need it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like I need them to beat
Speaker 4: a top five team for me to feel like they're
Speaker 4: any good at all. But I just one of the
Speaker 4: things that I I.
Speaker 2: Don't think I'm different than anybody else.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just because you know, I have a platform
Speaker 4: like this one, and I you know, I speak to
Speaker 4: you guys coming from a the position of a diehard fan,
Speaker 4: so you know, I'll take it any way I can
Speaker 4: get it as far as my team winning and having success.
Speaker 4: But man, there's I love knowing that there's something on
Speaker 4: the line and there's value, and clearly beating the teams
Speaker 4: the way you're beating them has allowed you to get
Speaker 4: a really good record at this point, and that's got value.
Speaker 4: You're in the top twenties, so clearly things are going well.
Speaker 4: But I just would love to see this team play
Speaker 4: another really good team, and you know, just just because,
Speaker 4: not because like I needed to feel good.
Speaker 2: It's just I feel like they'd.
Speaker 4: Win and I want that, right, I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 4: numbed to now, just you know, knocking off these bozo
Speaker 4: teams that are.
Speaker 2: In a bad way.
Speaker 4: Now, with that said, I think it'd be even harder
Speaker 4: for Louisville fans if we hadn't gone through the previous
Speaker 4: few seasons meeting. I think anytime you start to feel like,
Speaker 4: all right, yeah, I guess we play play Virginia Tech tonight.
Speaker 4: They're allowsy and look they can beach. If you don't
Speaker 4: play well, you don't come ready to play. We know that,
Speaker 4: but I think this team's also kind of proven that
Speaker 4: they will come ready to play because they're they're mature,
Speaker 4: Like they're not gonna you know, they're not gonna look
Speaker 4: past opponents that kind of stuff. So anyways, I feel
Speaker 4: like if they were to play a really good team
Speaker 4: next week, they beat them. I don't know that for certain,
Speaker 4: but I guess more than anything, I just have a
Speaker 4: desperation to see them in action.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: So on the Kentucky side of things, you know, they're
Speaker 4: game against Alabama. I don't really know if their fans
Speaker 4: were like expecting them to win. And I really feel
Speaker 4: like it's been a weird year for uh, for for
Speaker 4: Kentucky all the way around, because one they just have
Speaker 4: I mean, they don't have any bad losses really, I
Speaker 4: mean as of right now, when you look at I mean,
Speaker 4: let's see, when you look at their worst loss, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's got to be Georgia, right that would be my
Speaker 4: it'd be my guess. Yeah, Kentucky's worst loss right now
Speaker 4: is to Georgia, who is at number forty five in
Speaker 4: the in the Ken Pom. Everybody else is higher than that.
Speaker 4: So they have no bad losses. Arkansas, Vandy, those are
Speaker 4: bubble type teams. Maybe they don't get in, but still
Speaker 4: those aren't bad losses, and then you know you've got
Speaker 4: wins against Gonzaga, that wind doesn't look nearly as good, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, with all these jobs in the ACC
Speaker 4: opening up, with Indiana already opened up, now might be
Speaker 4: the time to pick up the phone and call Mark
Speaker 4: for you, Like I think now maybe the time where.
Speaker 2: You could you could get him away.
Speaker 4: But anyways, you know, they beat Duke, but I'm not
Speaker 4: sure that matchup would play out the same if they
Speaker 4: played him now compared to what it looked like on
Speaker 4: November twelfth. So I'm not like setting anything up to
Speaker 4: like Dog Kentucky, but like if I was in their
Speaker 4: shoes as a fan, I wouldn't really know how to
Speaker 4: feel about my team because I think you know that
Speaker 4: you've been able to pull off some pretty tough victories
Speaker 4: when you're not at full strength, but you also know
Speaker 4: that that's not as expected when you're not when you.
Speaker 2: Play I mean Tennessee. The sweep of Tennessee, I suppose.
Speaker 4: Is really the real outlier on their schedule to where
Speaker 4: they were able to do that being really shorthanded. But
Speaker 4: the other wins they have that of course you know,
Speaker 4: have legitimate value. I mean, in fact, looking at it now,
Speaker 4: their best when outside of Tennessee in twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: would be they beat Florida that was on January for
Speaker 4: but they were more strengthen, or at least close to it.
Speaker 4: I think Cresa was the only guy that they were missing.
Speaker 4: So again I feel like assessing sort of what they
Speaker 4: did against Bama. For me, I'm like, yeah, they clearly
Speaker 4: were not as good as Bama and lost by thirteen,
Speaker 4: kind of what you'd expect against a really good Bama
Speaker 4: team at their place when Kentucky shorthanded. But if they
Speaker 4: played when they're healthy, maybe it'll be a different game.
Speaker 4: Well maybe, but then again, like will they be healthy?
Speaker 4: Like I haven't paid as much attention as I'm sure
Speaker 4: Kentucky fans have, and I probably should have, but today
Speaker 4: I haven't been able to listen to see if there
Speaker 4: was any kind of an update, But like.
Speaker 2: Are they getting those guys back?
Speaker 4: You know, clearly their ceiling is not as high if
Speaker 4: they don't have Lamont Butler and Jackson Robinson. And you
Speaker 4: know with Jackson Robinson looks like he's still got something
Speaker 4: on his wrist.
Speaker 2: So anyways, we'll talk a little.
Speaker 4: Bit more about sort of both teams as far as
Speaker 4: what the most likely scenario is on selection Sunday for them,
Speaker 4: and I guess maybe worst case, best case, because I
Speaker 4: still think Kentucky is in no position to where they
Speaker 4: got to worry about missing the tournament.
Speaker 2: I think they could lose out and still get in.
Speaker 4: You obviously wouldn't want to do that, but I just
Speaker 4: think at this point, the bubble being what it is,
Speaker 4: there are teams that are so far from the bubble
Speaker 4: that again, they could lose a lot and probably still
Speaker 4: make their way into the big dance. All right, Five two,
Speaker 4: five seventy nine hundred is the number again. If you
Speaker 4: guys want to jump in and give us a call,
Speaker 4: we'll start things off here by welcoming in, lou lou.
Speaker 2: How are you doing this afternoon, sir?
Speaker 6: Good Nick. Let's have a little fun here and play
Speaker 6: what if Okay, let's do it all right, Louisville wins out,
Speaker 6: win's the ACC tournament. I say we're at least at
Speaker 6: two seed. What do you say, man?
Speaker 2: If they went out?
Speaker 4: That would include a win against Duke, which right now
Speaker 4: only three teams can claim they have that. I think
Speaker 4: if you beat Clemson in Duke, those and that's where
Speaker 4: it gets tricky, Lou, I think two seed is probably
Speaker 4: a little I'd say three seed is the highest just
Speaker 4: because they're just I mean, they'd have a gaudy record,
Speaker 4: and if you have a second place finish in the
Speaker 4: regular season and you win the tournament, there'll be a
Speaker 4: lot of value there. I just think every team you're
Speaker 4: gonna play the rest of the season, and probably every
Speaker 4: team you're gonna play until you get to Clemson in
Speaker 4: the semis, there's just not.
Speaker 2: A whole lot of value. So I would say three
Speaker 2: is the best that maybe they could get. But you
Speaker 2: may be right.
Speaker 4: You may be right that it's a two because at
Speaker 4: that point they would have finished with a record of
Speaker 4: let's see, that would put them at twenty five and
Speaker 4: six in the regular season, and then the ACC tournament,
Speaker 4: I think they'd only end up playing three games because
Speaker 4: they're gonna clearly get a double buy so that would
Speaker 4: make them eight and six. But they do get two
Speaker 4: real more valuable wins. That would give them two against
Speaker 4: Clemson and then of course a split with Duke, So
Speaker 4: maybe maybe a two is I think at that point,
Speaker 4: I think putting them at a two would not be
Speaker 4: crazy at all. But I think what it would come
Speaker 4: down to, lou is the committee. Would they be willing
Speaker 4: to give, you know, an SEC team with six conference
Speaker 4: losses a two seed ahead of a Louisville team that's
Speaker 4: twenty you know, twenty eight and six overall or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 6: So, uh right, A lot of it depends on what
Speaker 6: other teams did. Sure, here's one thing that I really
Speaker 6: don't like about the way they see this ternament anymore.
Speaker 6: Used to be several years ago they would consider who's
Speaker 6: hot in February and March, and that would be like
Speaker 6: a you know, a pretty big factory, sure, playing really well.
Speaker 6: But now they say, well, these November wins are just
Speaker 6: as good as something in late February, which is full crap,
Speaker 6: but it is what it is. I appreciate you showing there.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks, lou appreciate it. Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: I think the best way, and I don't really know
Speaker 4: how you would put it into you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know how you put it into words and express it
Speaker 4: to everybody within the NCAA to where they would know
Speaker 4: for sure the exact way you're measuring it.
Speaker 2: Because it's hard to measure.
Speaker 4: I think every game should matter, right, like if you like,
Speaker 4: for example, Kentucky, they beat Duke, like that should matter.
Speaker 4: But we also can't lie to ourselves and act like
Speaker 4: that win is the same thing as if they beat
Speaker 4: Duke over the weekend. I mean, Illinois is a pretty
Speaker 4: good team in my opinion, I don't know how good
Speaker 4: they are, but they're pretty good. I mean they're to me,
Speaker 4: Illinois is easily a top twenty five team. I mean
Speaker 4: they're safely in the tournament, although they have lost three
Speaker 4: in a row. But like Duke couldn't named the score
Speaker 4: against them on Saturday in that neutral site game, Duke
Speaker 4: beat them one on one to sixty seven, so you know,
Speaker 4: to lose point, they no longer really emphasize where you
Speaker 4: are like now, So again I think you know again,
Speaker 4: I can't give you the exact way you would. You
Speaker 4: would measure it each and make it to where it
Speaker 4: evens out. But we all know beating a certain you know,
Speaker 4: beating anybody in November, you should it still counts, right,
Speaker 4: it's a real game. But beating them when they're closer
Speaker 4: to the turn, closer to the ending the season, like
Speaker 4: that's when the team is more rounded in the form.
Speaker 4: But you could also but again, like there's so much
Speaker 4: of this that's the human element, the eye test, that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, to where it's really not a metric,
Speaker 4: a quad or a formula. It's just all right, look,
Speaker 4: I know that you know, for example, like this is
Speaker 4: maybe a little bit of a little hypothetical type example here,
Speaker 4: like Tennessee is still a really good team.
Speaker 2: They're twenty two and five. Like let's say Louisville.
Speaker 4: You know they beat Tennessee earlier this year. Well, let
Speaker 4: me back up, that wouldn't have been that would not
Speaker 4: even have been a good example. But there are certain
Speaker 4: teams that fall what I was trying to say, there certain.
Speaker 2: Teams that fall apart.
Speaker 4: Like you beat a team early on in the year
Speaker 4: and they were really, really good, and then you play
Speaker 4: them late in the year and they've fallen apart. Like clearly,
Speaker 4: anybody who watches these teams play and he keeps up
Speaker 4: with college basketball would know, hey, I'm not as impressed
Speaker 4: by you beating them when they were at this point
Speaker 4: than they were at that point. And again, you can't
Speaker 4: control that. It's out of your control. But I do
Speaker 4: think to lose point you should value every game, but
Speaker 4: what where you are I think, like in the last
Speaker 4: month or so is a bigger I mean, it's it's
Speaker 4: just the reality of the situation, meaning like, yeah, that
Speaker 4: team in November is clearly not the team they are.
Speaker 2: Now in late February, early March.
Speaker 4: And that could be the case because they're much better,
Speaker 4: or maybe they got they've gotten a lot worse. And
Speaker 4: they also used to not really factor in the.
Speaker 2: Margin of victory.
Speaker 4: Well now it's quite clear, like you, I mean, and
Speaker 4: I hate this, and I probably should mention this more
Speaker 4: than I do. But when it comes to needing to
Speaker 4: beat certain teams by a certain margin in order to
Speaker 4: not fall in the net or the kin palm, I
Speaker 4: know that that's really dumb. But I just I also
Speaker 4: know that that's been the way it's been for a
Speaker 4: long time, and everybody knows that. And if you were
Speaker 4: operating a schedule, or if you're leading a college basketball program,
Speaker 4: and or you're coaching i mean coaches, ads, whoever makes
Speaker 4: the schedule and whoever coaches the games, if you're not
Speaker 4: mindful of that, now, given that it's been many years
Speaker 4: since that's been in place, you're not doing your job.
Speaker 4: Like I use the example all the time, Wake Forest,
Speaker 4: Whoever's like, that's that's in competence to put yourself in
Speaker 4: a position where you have, you know, a pretty good
Speaker 4: record like wake Forest. Right now, depending on where you look,
Speaker 4: they're like the last team in or they're one of
Speaker 4: the first four out. And I swear to you they
Speaker 4: have only themselves to blame for that because they you know,
Speaker 4: they're nineteen and eight. They do have two losses in
Speaker 4: the last three that absolutely makes it tougher to I
Speaker 4: think justify putting them in because they lost it to
Speaker 4: NC State and they lost it home to Florida State.
Speaker 4: So but they did beat SMU which on the road,
Speaker 4: which was a somewhat a valuable in between there. But
Speaker 4: like when you play the three hundreds teams in the
Speaker 4: three hundreds one, that's stupid to play them anyway, but
Speaker 4: you have to know, we gotta beat them bad. If
Speaker 4: we don't, we're probably gonna be like it's gonna it's
Speaker 4: gonna like it's gonna linger on our resume. And that's
Speaker 4: exactly what's happened with wake Forest. So again, I know
Speaker 4: that it's stupid, but it's the way it is. And
Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta be mindful of that in every
Speaker 4: in every way. So and I think Pat Kelsey somebody
Speaker 4: asked the question last week, which I think it's probably
Speaker 4: a little bit of both. But they asked me, do
Speaker 4: you think Louisville is beating down these teams in acc
Speaker 4: play more so just because they're that much better, or because,
Speaker 4: you know, Pat Kelsey is emphasizing we need to go
Speaker 4: out there and win by this number. I don't think
Speaker 4: he's doing that as far as telling them, you know,
Speaker 4: we gotta win by this this amount. But I think
Speaker 4: everybody collectively knows that when like, for example, when you
Speaker 4: play Louisville's got Virginia Tech tomorrow, the kin palm projection
Speaker 4: as you win that game by eleven, I mean, if
Speaker 4: you win by six, it's not gonna kill you, but
Speaker 4: you might it might drop you outside the top twenty
Speaker 4: five in the net. I know that stupid, but that's
Speaker 4: just that's how that's that's the way they do it. Now,
Speaker 4: if you play you know, you've got Pittsburgh and Home
Speaker 4: on Saturday, you're projected to win that one by eight.
Speaker 4: Eighty to seventy two is the projected score. If you
Speaker 4: were to somehow win that game by thirty three, and
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they will. That would also probably bump
Speaker 4: you up in the metrics a little bit more than
Speaker 4: it probably should. So like, you can manipulate this and
Speaker 4: I'll give you real quick and I'll stop nerding out
Speaker 4: on numbers, I promise you, and then we'll go to break.
Speaker 2: But there's different ways to go about it.
Speaker 4: One team that manipulates the net and the quad system
Speaker 4: in a much different way is Iowa State. So, Iowa State,
Speaker 4: where are they at? I mean they yeah, they're number
Speaker 4: eight in the kin Pom right now. They're sitting at
Speaker 4: twenty one and six their losses. Their first loss was
Speaker 4: to Auburn, who is one of the best, if not,
Speaker 4: I mean Auburn is the best team in the country
Speaker 4: right now. But then they played Mississippi Valley State beat
Speaker 4: them eighty three to forty four, played IU Indie beat
Speaker 4: them eighty seven to fifty two. So they're strategically scheduling
Speaker 4: these teams with the belief that, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 4: put them on the schedule, but we know we got
Speaker 4: to double them up and if you do that, it'll
Speaker 4: really help.
Speaker 2: You in the metrics.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of different ways to go about it,
Speaker 4: but you just have to be mindful of it. And
Speaker 4: I think again, one of the reasons why Louisville has
Speaker 4: such a good net and such a good kin Pom
Speaker 4: despite having no real signature win is because when they
Speaker 4: play the bad teams in their league, for the most part,
Speaker 4: they're crushing them, which is all you can do.
Speaker 2: Right quick break, we'll.
Speaker 4: Come back on the other side. Can we talk about
Speaker 4: what's going on in the city of Louisville. I mean,
Speaker 4: we have this conversation on this show, not that often,
Speaker 4: but like every now and then. It's worth talking about
Speaker 4: because you know, the majority of people who listen to
Speaker 4: this live in Kentucky, Anda, and like, why has this
Speaker 4: place become so dangerous? I mean, the murders that took
Speaker 4: place at the driver's license bureau last week.
Speaker 2: Like insanity.
Speaker 4: Those things shouldn't never happen, but God forbid if they do.
Speaker 4: I'd like to live in a world where that would
Speaker 4: still give me a lot of shock. Like wow, But now, man,
Speaker 4: I don't know if that really surprises me that those
Speaker 4: kind of things happen. It's tragic, but man, we got
Speaker 4: to clean it up. Somehow quick break It's coffee and company.
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Speaker 4: So, one man, two women killed in a shooting on
Speaker 4: Friday outside of the Louisville Driver's License branch on Dixie Highway,
Speaker 4: and just a tragic situation. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 4: anybody who would hear this and not think.
Speaker 2: All that's terrible. But how surprising is it? I mean maybe.
Speaker 4: The way it happened in a place like that, maybe
Speaker 4: that's a real rarity. I mean, it is, that's not
Speaker 4: I would imagine that that's not a place that you
Speaker 4: know that something like that's happened at before. But man,
Speaker 4: just thinking of how often you know, you pop open
Speaker 4: social media, turn on the new like again, you don't
Speaker 4: have to be looking for it. I feel like it'd
Speaker 4: be hard. Maybe I'm wrong. I do do work for
Speaker 4: a company called iHeartMedia, so it's kind of our job
Speaker 4: to kind of be up to date with what's going on.
Speaker 4: But I feel like even if you're trying to distract
Speaker 4: yourself from how dangerous.
Speaker 2: Louisville it can be.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you'd be able to do it,
Speaker 4: and I'm not really sure that you should, because you
Speaker 4: should be you should be well aware that you're in
Speaker 4: a city that really anywhere I mean, you know, obviously
Speaker 4: there are certain places that have a higher rate of
Speaker 4: crime that kind of stuff, but I know, the south
Speaker 4: end Dixie Highway again, anywhere in Louisville you can find,
Speaker 4: I mean, prospect, there's there's probably been a murder that's
Speaker 4: happened in the last couple of years that nobody would
Speaker 4: have expected. But what I'm getting at it's like these
Speaker 4: are areas that you wouldn't think that like anything like
Speaker 4: that would happen, but when it does, there's still a
Speaker 4: level of like what the hell, But then also like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know we are I mean, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right now, if you look at in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: which we're about to wrap up the second month of
Speaker 4: the calendar year. This is from WDRB, after just two
Speaker 4: reported homicides in the first half of February, there now
Speaker 4: have been at least non people killed in the last
Speaker 4: week in Louisville.
Speaker 2: That was as of Saturday night.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure and in fact, I think I just
Speaker 4: saw there was another person shot and killed last night
Speaker 4: in Louisville, So separate shootings, just people killing people, and
Speaker 4: it's and it's awful, and I know when that happens,
Speaker 4: you know, you're angry.
Speaker 2: You want to figure out how we can fix it.
Speaker 4: And I would be a fool to try to tell
Speaker 4: you that I have like the answer, because I don't.
Speaker 4: And ultimately, when you want to blame somebody, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you really have a time knowing who to blame,
Speaker 4: just blame the person who is the awful human that
Speaker 4: did the unthinkable act. But as far as sort of
Speaker 4: how it happened, because look, we know there are a
Speaker 4: lot of bad people walk in the earth, but you
Speaker 4: know what, a lot of them that have proven to
Speaker 4: be dangerous and violent and a threat to others, you
Speaker 4: would think they're where in jail or you know, maybe
Speaker 4: prison and what really can No, I don't know how
Speaker 4: you fix it. I'm not smart enough to know. But
Speaker 4: one thing that, like you just can't have become a
Speaker 4: non surprising thing to hear, but it has. It's starting
Speaker 4: to get there, and that is that when you figure
Speaker 4: out some you know, when you figure out who they
Speaker 4: arrested and charged with doing something unthinkable like killing somebody
Speaker 4: or killing multiple people.
Speaker 2: You'll read about his recent.
Speaker 4: Arrest record charges from all activity in the last you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, sometimes within a few months, like people
Speaker 4: that have proven to be very dangerous to us, why
Speaker 4: are they not in jail?
Speaker 2: Why are they out on bond?
Speaker 4: Like that's one of those things where it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what the fix is, but like, let's stop
Speaker 4: letting people out on bond, or maybe you know, give
Speaker 4: them no bond, maybe make the bond a certain amount
Speaker 4: to where they can't get out.
Speaker 2: But we've had way.
Speaker 4: Too many in the in the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: not even really, I mean seemingly more so in like
Speaker 4: the last I don't know, a year or so to
Speaker 4: where you see something awful happening and then you realize, yeah,
Speaker 4: that that person should not have been out, that person
Speaker 4: should have been in jail long ago. And that's where
Speaker 4: it really you know, for me, is somebody who lives
Speaker 4: in the Louisville I mean I've lived here my whole life.
Speaker 4: I mean technically I live now in Bullet County, but
Speaker 4: I can I can walk out of my house and
Speaker 4: go on a quick run and be in Jefferson County
Speaker 4: and you know, I consider LOLC from my home.
Speaker 2: I always have, always will.
Speaker 4: But you feel helpless knowing that, Yeah, the judges and
Speaker 4: you know, the judicial system, the criminal justice system, they
Speaker 4: knew that the guy or girl who committed this act
Speaker 4: that took someone's life, they knew they've already done something
Speaker 4: that was a pretty big red flag of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: might want to not have that person out roaming with
Speaker 4: the rest of society.
Speaker 2: Like they knew it. It wasn't somebody that just woke.
Speaker 4: Up one day and became a murderer, and yet they
Speaker 4: were available to go commit an unthinkable act again probably
Speaker 4: you know, ends up being the last one they'll do
Speaker 4: because this will lead to them actually, you know, if
Speaker 4: they get convicted and they go through that process, they're
Speaker 4: probably going to go to prison for the rest of
Speaker 4: their life. Are close to it, but like they shouldn't
Speaker 4: have had the opportunity to take.
Speaker 2: More lives.
Speaker 4: Or you know, somebody that has had four or five
Speaker 4: DUI's and then they get the DUI where they kill somebody, Like,
Speaker 4: what are we doing again?
Speaker 2: I know that there's certain things you like you have.
Speaker 4: To follow what you were allowed to do as far
Speaker 4: as the law, and I know that some of these
Speaker 4: people have really really you know, really great lawyers, but
Speaker 4: like that that to me, you know again, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: kind of dipping a little bit outside my lane here
Speaker 4: as far as talking about something we don't typically talk about.
Speaker 4: But that that's like the looking around, like what so
Speaker 4: we knew this person was a threat to society. We
Speaker 4: knew this person had already you know, had a had
Speaker 4: one endangerment charges or assaught one charges or attempted murder charges,
Speaker 4: or they were out awaiting trial for you know, another
Speaker 4: serious offense. But while awaiting trial, they did something even
Speaker 4: worse than they were awaiting trial for. Like again, I'm
Speaker 4: not pointing the finger any specific part of our local
Speaker 4: government or the judicial system, but that just that doesn't
Speaker 4: that that don't makes sense, doesn't make sense. So anyways,
Speaker 4: that's that's that's the that's the only you know, serious
Speaker 4: type of talk you're gonna get today. I mean, we're
Speaker 4: gonna be serious and have fun and whatnot. But you know,
Speaker 4: that just kind of felt like not really what this
Speaker 4: show is. But it's a big deal. I Mean, again,
Speaker 4: a lot of people around here, this is this is
Speaker 4: this is our home, and it's just crazy seeing so
Speaker 4: many people end up getting caught and you realize, oh wow,
Speaker 4: this isn't even the first, maybe the second time they've
Speaker 4: done something really violent and reckless, and yet why were
Speaker 4: they not in jail?
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