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<v Speaker 2>Retails good evening. He promised to kill me when he

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<v Speaker 2>got out. I believed him. If I wanted justice, I

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<v Speaker 2>had to fight both him and the courts to kill

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<v Speaker 2>him first. If I didn't do something, I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to die. This is not a manufactured dialogue from a thriller,

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<v Speaker 2>but the words of Attorney Sharon Muse. They came after

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<v Speaker 2>she survived in attempted kidnapping, rape, and murder at the

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<v Speaker 2>hands of Hank Morrison, a former client. On April seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, Mews miraculously escaped from the sociopathic Morrison,

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<v Speaker 2>only to find that the threat of her life was

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<v Speaker 2>just beginning. Ineptitude and the justice system threatened to release

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<v Speaker 2>Morris and allow him the opportunity to finish the job,

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<v Speaker 2>which he adamantly pledged to do. Mews would have to

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<v Speaker 2>fight at every step to insure her safety. She would

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<v Speaker 2>act as her own advocate, investigator, legal counsel, and bodyguard

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<v Speaker 2>in the years following the event, Kidnapped by a Client

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<v Speaker 2>covers the brutal kidnapping, two trials, two appeals, procedural error's galore,

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<v Speaker 2>one Supreme Court reversal, and even Muse's intricate plan to

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<v Speaker 2>murder Morrison before he could get her. Mews would not

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately execute that plan, and she would emerge victorious in

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<v Speaker 2>the legal battle thanks to her faith and her own

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<v Speaker 2>determination and legal acumen, but her safety is not insured.

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<v Speaker 2>Morrison upp is up for parole in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>Mews regularly monitors his status. Mews recounts her stranger than

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<v Speaker 2>fiction story and kidnap by a client. She analyzes the

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<v Speaker 2>failures of the legal system, the mistake she made, the

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<v Speaker 2>step she took to protect herself, and how she has

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<v Speaker 2>coped with trauma. Listeners will find not only a compelling narrative,

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<v Speaker 2>this evening is Kidnapped by a Client, The incredible true

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<v Speaker 2>story of an attorney's fight for justice, with my special

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<v Speaker 2>guest Sharon Muse and Rob Johnson. Welcome to the program,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon mus and Rob Johnson.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you for having us. Very excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for both of you for joining me.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Sharon, can you just give us a brief background

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into this incredible, incredibly personally and intimately

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<v Speaker 2>involved story of your life and this incredible incident. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us just briefly what your life was like before this,

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<v Speaker 2>your work as an attorney, and where exactly Bourbon County

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<v Speaker 2>and Scott County, where exactly are we talking about where

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<v Speaker 2>this occurred.

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<v Speaker 9>Bourbon and Scott County are the two counts, two of

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<v Speaker 9>the several counties that surround Bayette County in central Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 9>which is Lexington. We're more rural, would not be considered

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<v Speaker 9>a city, probably by anybody standards. Prior to this, I

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<v Speaker 9>had your basic small town practice, did a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>a variety of different kinds of cases. Very care free,

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<v Speaker 9>very lighthearted, never really concerned with security or safety, never

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<v Speaker 9>considered a client could possibly.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a threat to me.

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<v Speaker 9>Typically they like you because you're helping them, you're fighting

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<v Speaker 9>for them, you're advocating for them.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I took a.

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<v Speaker 9>Variety of cases, and unfortunately I got involved with this

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<v Speaker 9>particular man because I felt sorry for him and his

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<v Speaker 9>wife and did some free legal work, and that's how

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<v Speaker 9>I came to even know that he existed.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go back to the day in question, the faithful day,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, April seventh, and you had got

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<v Speaker 2>some bad news about your mother. So tell us where

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<v Speaker 2>you were that day, and when you were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the news, you said you had a bad day. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about your faithful meeting with your former client.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd gone into work that day dressed very casually.

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<v Speaker 4>I had on jeans and just a cotton.

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<v Speaker 9>Pullover shirt was like a stretchy neckline, and you'll hear

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<v Speaker 9>more about that later. But my plan was just to

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<v Speaker 9>work on some appellate briefs.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't going to see any clients, and my.

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<v Speaker 9>Admin, Judy, I'd instructed her, I said, don't I can't

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<v Speaker 9>be bothered by anybody. I have to focus, like this

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<v Speaker 9>is my deadline. So I was working on the computer,

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<v Speaker 9>was getting close to being done, and my mom stopped

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<v Speaker 9>she had just left her doctor and they had found

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<v Speaker 9>some strange black spots on her lungs, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 9>clear what they were. They believed them to be a

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<v Speaker 9>rare form of cancer and something that we couldn't get

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<v Speaker 9>treated locally. So that just completely derailed my day, and

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<v Speaker 9>I stopped doing my legal work and started researching, trying

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<v Speaker 9>to figure out who would be an expert and who

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<v Speaker 9>could I take my mom to. And called a friend

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<v Speaker 9>of mine in Louisville who her mom had a very

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<v Speaker 9>aggressive form of cancer and she was very active in

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<v Speaker 9>her treatment. And so, as you could, just had done

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<v Speaker 9>a complete shift from practicing law to how can I

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<v Speaker 9>keep my mom healthy and keep her alive? So my

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<v Speaker 9>mind was not in a good place.

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<v Speaker 2>You had been dating a man named Jeff for about

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<v Speaker 2>seven months, and yes, and so tell us what you

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<v Speaker 2>were doing. You were speaking with him as you left

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<v Speaker 2>the office. Tell us what the conversation was like. And

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<v Speaker 2>what happened next is you carried a briefcase in some

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>Jeff always had Fridays, he was a preacher, and that

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<v Speaker 9>was you know, you didn't get Sunday's off, and so

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<v Speaker 9>he was going to be playing golf that day. And

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<v Speaker 9>we had an understanding that when he played golf. He

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<v Speaker 9>usually didn't have his phone with him, and if he did,

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<v Speaker 9>he wouldn't answer. It was just his time away from

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<v Speaker 9>the world. But we had spoken on the phone briefly

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<v Speaker 9>and when I this was again before smartphone, so I

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<v Speaker 9>opened up my flip phone and I could see the

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<v Speaker 9>battery was almost dead. And as I was talking to him,

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<v Speaker 9>I opened the door to walk out in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 9>and I noticed someone had been waiting outside my door,

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<v Speaker 9>and when I opened the door, they jumped back so

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<v Speaker 9>that nobody in the office could see him. And as

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<v Speaker 9>I rounded the corner, there was a man just walking

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<v Speaker 9>the hallway, and so I told Jeff, I said, let

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<v Speaker 9>me call you back. Somebody's waiting for me. And when

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<v Speaker 9>I hung up, I thought, you know, it's going to

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<v Speaker 9>be a minutefriend calling back because my batteries did. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>standing in the hallway looking at a man who very

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<v Speaker 9>clearly was waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 4>His face looked familiar.

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<v Speaker 9>I couldn't think of his name, and I couldn't think

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<v Speaker 9>how I knew him, but I was fairly certain he

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<v Speaker 9>was a previous client. And he immediately starts talking to

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<v Speaker 9>me about his wife had just died.

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<v Speaker 4>He was afraid.

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<v Speaker 9>His family was scared, the assets were frozen. They needed help.

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<v Speaker 9>This is a Friday now, right at five o'clock, and

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<v Speaker 9>what can I do to help them? His family wanted

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<v Speaker 9>me to come talk to me, and I was trying

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<v Speaker 9>to politely move forward as he was talking to me,

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<v Speaker 9>so I could not find myself stuck in a hallway

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<v Speaker 9>for thirty minutes trying to have a client consult. So

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<v Speaker 9>I explained to him, it's Friday at five o'clock.

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<v Speaker 4>The courts are closed.

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<v Speaker 9>There's literally nothing I can do for you. I'm happy

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<v Speaker 9>to listen, but I need you to go in and

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<v Speaker 9>talk to Judy. Set up an appointment first thing Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll get you in front of Judge and we will

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<v Speaker 9>get you taken care of. And I'm so sorry for

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<v Speaker 9>your loss, but right now my hands are tied until

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<v Speaker 9>Monday morning. Well this didn't seem to settle him down

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<v Speaker 9>at all. He seemed very anxious and fidgety, and he was,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, had a lot of energy. And as I moved,

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<v Speaker 9>he moved, and I would take a step forward and

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<v Speaker 9>he would not move, so I'd have to take a

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<v Speaker 9>step back to create space. If I went around the

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<v Speaker 9>side it was. It was almost like we were dancing.

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<v Speaker 9>Every time I moved, he moved. Every Time I asked

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<v Speaker 9>a question, he responded, and he responded with my family ensured.

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<v Speaker 4>We need you. We're scared, we need your help.

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<v Speaker 9>And at some point in this exchange in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 9>he pulled out a giant wad to cash, not like

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<v Speaker 9>I'd ever seen any anybody carry around before, but it

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<v Speaker 9>was about the size of my fist, was wrapped with

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<v Speaker 9>a rubber band, and it had like some white powdery

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<v Speaker 9>substance in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw it just for a flash.

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<v Speaker 9>And he tried to put it in my bag, in

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<v Speaker 9>my briefcase, and I took my hand and waved him

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<v Speaker 9>off and said, no, don't do that. This isn't how

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<v Speaker 9>talk to Judy, you'll sign it contract, he'll pay me hourly.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, this is not how things work. And he

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<v Speaker 9>put it back in his pocket and continued to say,

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<v Speaker 9>my wife just died.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm scared. I don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 9>So in order to get past him, to get to

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<v Speaker 4>Thought I could leave. I said, okay, well I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 4>Walk with me to my car.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll ask you a couple of questions and then come

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<v Speaker 4>Good idea.

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<v Speaker 9>So we're walking to the car and I'm asking him

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<v Speaker 9>or their witnesses where their names noted. I was just

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<v Speaker 9>asking basic questions to determine if, according to Kentucky law,

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<v Speaker 9>that this would be a valid will, and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Answered them all.

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<v Speaker 9>He was very articulate and clear, and we approached the

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<v Speaker 9>car and I said, okay, it sounds like a valid will.

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<v Speaker 9>We shouldn't have a hard time getting it through probate.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you for stopping by.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry about your loss.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll see you Monday morning. I turned my back to

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<v Speaker 9>him and put everything in my car, unlocked my car,

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<v Speaker 9>loaded on my files in the back, and as I

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<v Speaker 9>and he's on the other side of my car with

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<v Speaker 9>the car door open, and he's physically standing between the

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<v Speaker 9>just I froze. I didn't know what he was doing

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<v Speaker 9>or how I was supposed to respond, right, So at

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<v Speaker 9>that moment I said, I said, you know what's going on?

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<v Speaker 9>How can I help you?

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<v Speaker 4>What do you need?

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<v Speaker 9>And he was like, well, can you give me a

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<v Speaker 9>ride to my grandma's house? And I we had this

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<v Speaker 9>fairly lengthy exchange, so, well, how did you get here?

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<v Speaker 9>While I walked, Well, can't you walk back? Well, it's

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<v Speaker 9>only three blocks. Well, then that's a short walk. So

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<v Speaker 9>I went back and forth with him repeatedly, without ever

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<v Speaker 9>just saying no, get away from my car.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not comfortable.

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<v Speaker 9>Like in my mind, I kept thinking this, this man's

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<v Speaker 9>life just died. He's a clienteers he trusts you, he

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<v Speaker 9>needs and wants your help. Why would you say no

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<v Speaker 9>to him? Like I've almost guilted in myself or shamed

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<v Speaker 9>myself into it. And I continued though I just didn't

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<v Speaker 9>feel comfortable, and I was like, you know, no, if

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<v Speaker 9>you walked here, you can walk back. And probably after

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<v Speaker 9>our fifth or sixth exchange of this, thunder cracks in

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<v Speaker 9>the sky and the spring weather in Kentucky is very volatile.

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<v Speaker 9>It'll be beautiful and sunny one minute and pouring down

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<v Speaker 9>during the next. And that was just the final straw

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<v Speaker 9>for me. I thought, you cannot make him walk home

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<v Speaker 9>in the rain after his wife is just dead and

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<v Speaker 9>he just needs some help. But you know it, was

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<v Speaker 9>concerned by his behavior, seemed very he seemed desperate to

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<v Speaker 9>be around me, and I thought, well, that's just because

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<v Speaker 9>he sees me as the person who can help help

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<v Speaker 9>them get through this. Every time, every time my mind

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<v Speaker 9>tried to tell me you need to get away from him,

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<v Speaker 9>I had some excuse, some way to justify that what

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<v Speaker 9>he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Doing was was okay, and that probably wasn't a big deal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm sorry you.

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<v Speaker 2>Had the tenacity that you had the idea that you

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<v Speaker 2>should make sure that you have your phone and you

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<v Speaker 2>dial tell us about this. Once he's inside the car,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens, and increasingly in terms of your your fear,

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<v Speaker 2>and at what point do you get the idea to

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<v Speaker 2>dial your phone and connect with your boyfriend Jeff.

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<v Speaker 9>So, when we were standing outside the car, I felt

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<v Speaker 9>very uncomfortable, but I couldn't really articulate why, but I

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<v Speaker 9>just felt uncomfortable. When he sat down in the car,

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<v Speaker 9>and I felt the weight of his body hit the

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<v Speaker 9>seat and he shut the door. Some kind of alarm

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<v Speaker 9>went off inside of me, and I just I knew

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<v Speaker 9>that I wasn't safe. I didn't know to what degree,

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<v Speaker 9>but something in me was saying, you're not safe.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was no.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't articulate specific thoughts, I just instinctively, instead of

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<v Speaker 9>putting my purse where I usually do, I tucked it

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<v Speaker 9>by my left leg in the car well, and I

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<v Speaker 9>pulled my very surreptitiously pulled my cellphone out, opened it up,

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<v Speaker 9>flipped it on, and I tucked it kind of under

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<v Speaker 9>my left thigh where he couldn't see it. Now, I'll

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<v Speaker 9>tell you I didn't think. I didn't think the battery

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<v Speaker 9>was working, but I couldn't figure a way to get

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<v Speaker 9>my phone plugged into the car charger where he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 9>see it. And then I thought, well, Jeff's not going

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<v Speaker 9>to answer his phone anyway because he's about to head

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<v Speaker 9>out to the golf course. But I know Jeff is

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<v Speaker 9>very detail orientedy, is very smart, and I knew if

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<v Speaker 9>he heard me in a car with a man's voice

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<v Speaker 9>when he knew I should be driving home alone, he

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<v Speaker 9>would pay attention, not because he's jealous, but because he

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<v Speaker 9>would know that something out of order. So I tucked

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<v Speaker 9>it away and I hid it. And as we pulled

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<v Speaker 9>out of the parking lot, you know, I said, where

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<v Speaker 9>do you need me to go? And he directed me.

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<v Speaker 9>So I continue to ask him legal questions, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>are you the air anybody else a family that do

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<v Speaker 9>you think anybody's going.

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<v Speaker 4>To contest it? Because he said he only.

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<v Speaker 9>Lived three blocks away, so I expected this to be

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<v Speaker 9>a very short ride. So once we passed what anybody

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<v Speaker 9>could imagine would be three blocks, I said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>where are we going? Where does she live? What's the

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<v Speaker 9>street number? And once I said that and we got

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<v Speaker 9>close to the end of that street again, everything just

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<v Speaker 9>amped up another level. I was certain at that point

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<v Speaker 9>that I was in trouble and I wasn't safe. I

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<v Speaker 9>knew he wanted to do something to me. I didn't

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<v Speaker 9>know what, but I knew I wasn't safe, and so

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<v Speaker 9>I tried to talk to him as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 9>I was desperately trying to remember his name. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 9>think of his name, but I did not want him

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<v Speaker 9>to know that. And each time I would ask, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>where is it or it's you know, it's been more

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<v Speaker 9>than three blocks. Very quickly it turned into him becoming

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<v Speaker 9>violent to get escalated to where he would put his

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<v Speaker 9>and shake my neck and yell at me not to

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<v Speaker 9>disrespect him. Any any type of question, any type of

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<v Speaker 9>challenge as to where we're going he perceived is disrespecting him,

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<v Speaker 9>and I wasn't to do that, and he'd stick his

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<v Speaker 9>finger in my face, or he would grab my neck,

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<v Speaker 9>or he would rub his rub his hand down my arm,

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<v Speaker 9>and he would yell and tell me to keep driving

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<v Speaker 9>and keep driving, and then he would stop and pause.

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<v Speaker 4>And just look at me.

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<v Speaker 9>And I glanced over at him, and he was looking

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<v Speaker 9>at me as if we were on a date it was,

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<v Speaker 9>and he said, it sure is nice being in this

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<v Speaker 9>car with you. And that's the moment that I thought

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<v Speaker 9>he's he wants he's going to rape me.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's when my.

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<v Speaker 9>Mind really started spinning, and I thought, what do what

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<v Speaker 9>do I do? How do I stay se what can

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<v Speaker 9>I do? And as the drive continues, keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 4>I grew up here.

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<v Speaker 9>I drove right by the street that my parents lived on.

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<v Speaker 9>At the time where I grew up. I grew drove

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<v Speaker 9>by the street where my elementary school was. But I

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<v Speaker 9>had no idea where I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 9>All I could think about were his hands. I was

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<v Speaker 9>trying to dodge the next blow or at one point

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<v Speaker 9>he put his hands between my More than one point

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<v Speaker 9>he put his hands between my legs and I would

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<v Speaker 9>move them, and I grabbed the steering wheel and tried

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<v Speaker 9>to keep them from being able to touch my breast.

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<v Speaker 9>And it just the further out we drove, the more

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<v Speaker 9>fearful I became, the more desperate I became, and the

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<v Speaker 9>angrier and more violent he became.

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<v Speaker 4>So at some point he sees my cell phone, and.

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<v Speaker 9>Because he'd been in prison up to just less than

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<v Speaker 9>two weeks before, he hadn't seen a cell phone yet,

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<v Speaker 9>he thought it was a digital recorder. So he starts

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<v Speaker 9>yelling at me and saying, are you recording me?

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<v Speaker 4>Or you recording me?

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<v Speaker 9>And I grabbed the phone and I was and I said, no,

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<v Speaker 9>this is my phone. And I put it up to

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<v Speaker 9>my ear and Jeff was there. I couldn't believe it,

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<v Speaker 9>but Jeff was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 9>And at some point during this drive his name just

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<v Speaker 9>came out of nowhere, and so I said, do you

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<v Speaker 9>want me to call you Hank or do you want

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<v Speaker 9>me to call you mister Morrison? And I said it

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<v Speaker 9>that way so that Jeff would know who had me.

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<v Speaker 9>And during this conversation, during this conversation, I had asked

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<v Speaker 9>him where had he been and what had been going

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<v Speaker 9>on because I didn't remember that he had been a

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<v Speaker 9>criminal client. I thought I had done an adoption for

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<v Speaker 9>his family. And so this whole time, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 9>figure out, how could this guy you had did an

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<v Speaker 9>adoption for be what is he angry with me about?

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<v Speaker 9>And so he said, I just got out last week,

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<v Speaker 9>and I was like, out of prison and he said

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<v Speaker 9>out of prison. And again that was for Jeff to hear.

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<v Speaker 9>But he would know that a man had me, He

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<v Speaker 9>would know his name, and he knew that he'd just

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<v Speaker 9>been out of prison. So he jerks the phone away

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<v Speaker 9>from me and he's talking to Jeff. And at this point,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm this is the only point that I can recall,

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<v Speaker 9>like actively praying, and I was just like, please God,

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<v Speaker 9>don't let Jeff make him mad. Whatever he says he's

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<v Speaker 9>going to take out on me, Just don't let him,

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<v Speaker 9>make him mad.

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<v Speaker 1>All I was.

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<v Speaker 4>All I was trying to do was to keep him calm, because.

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<v Speaker 9>You're in a car, there's no room to go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 9>Every time I did anything he didn't like, it was

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<v Speaker 9>a threat or a strike or in my face and

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<v Speaker 9>grabbing me or shaking me or stroking me. And all

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<v Speaker 9>I wanted to do is keep his hands off me.

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<v Speaker 9>And it came down just from each breath to the next,

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<v Speaker 9>You're trying to think, how do I just get to

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<v Speaker 9>the next breath without him touching me or without him

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<v Speaker 9>hurting me, and it created you know, I wasn't breathing well,

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<v Speaker 9>and so I caught myself catching my breath and then sighing,

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<v Speaker 9>and then that set him off, and he's yelling at

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<v Speaker 9>me that that's disrespectful and not to do that, and

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<v Speaker 9>he's again in my face or grabbing my hair or

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<v Speaker 9>grabbing my neck, and I remember thinking, I can't even

427
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:39.400
<v Speaker 9>breathe without making this man angry, and just desperately trying

428
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.920
<v Speaker 9>to think how to get away from him. And we

429
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.720
<v Speaker 9>went through the only large intersection that we went through,

430
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 9>because again this is a rural area, and as we

431
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 9>hit the middle, I was going to slam on the

432
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.079
<v Speaker 9>brakes and just jump jump out of my car if

433
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.400
<v Speaker 9>I got hit. I didn't care. I just I wanted

434
00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.200
<v Speaker 9>to be away from him. And I started to hit

435
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:02.319
<v Speaker 9>the brakes and he grabbed my knee and just squeezed,

436
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.200
<v Speaker 9>and I knew, I knew I had to think of

437
00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.599
<v Speaker 9>something else, so I kept driving.

438
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.559
<v Speaker 2>You right about the phone the phone call where Jeff

439
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>talks to Morrison. Yeah, what does Morrison say to him

440
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 2>before he hangs up?

441
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 9>He says, don't worry, I'll take care of her. And

442
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 9>when he said that and he hung up, I cannot.

443
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 9>I don't know that I can adequately tell you now

444
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.920
<v Speaker 9>or even in the book what that did to me,

445
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:40.960
<v Speaker 9>because I knew.

446
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Probably not going to get out of that car.

447
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 9>Ever, and I frantically redialed, hoping and praying that Jeff

448
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.240
<v Speaker 9>that I had battery and that I didn't lose service

449
00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Speaker 9>and that Jeff could hear, and we continue on the

450
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:05.640
<v Speaker 9>entire drive. Is just this me saying, are we a

451
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.680
<v Speaker 9>most there yet? Why are you doing this to me?

452
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 9>Eventually I started saying, is that an airport? Is that

453
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.200
<v Speaker 9>an elementary school?

454
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:14.480
<v Speaker 4>Because I can't.

455
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 9>Think and I don't understand where I am so I'm

456
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 9>just trying to describe to Jeff what I'm seeing so

457
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 9>that hopefully he'll know where I am, or he could

458
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 9>figure out or he could call the police and tell

459
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:32.200
<v Speaker 9>them where I am. And Morrison grabbed the phone a

460
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:37.559
<v Speaker 9>second time and was trying to talk to Jeff. And

461
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 9>when I put the phone back up to my ear,

462
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 9>Jeff said, do you want me to call the police?

463
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 9>And I just said I don't know, because I thought

464
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 9>he was my lifeline. What was he going to say

465
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 9>when he called the police. My girlfriend's in a car somewhere,

466
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 9>maybe near an elementary school with a guy that's been

467
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 9>out of prison. Could he what could the police do

468
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.519
<v Speaker 9>for me? So I didn't even know what county I

469
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 9>was in, So at some point I said, are we

470
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 9>in Bourbon County? And Jeff wrote that down. And as

471
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.640
<v Speaker 9>we continue to drive around and I'm completely disoriented, we

472
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 9>came up to a yellow light, a caution light, and

473
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.799
<v Speaker 9>when I stopped there, I just started screaming, get out

474
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 9>of the car, get out of the car. I don't

475
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 9>care where you live, I don't care where she lives.

476
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.640
<v Speaker 9>Get out now. I was like, get out.

477
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 4>I was just I was done, And he was like

478
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 4>a role.

479
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 9>Reversal became very calm, and he was like, we're almost there.

480
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 9>It's right down this road. It's three houses down. I'll

481
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 9>get out, just take me to the house. And so

482
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.359
<v Speaker 9>part of me thought, Okay, I'm wrong.

483
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 4>He really just.

484
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 9>Doesn't want to go to his hitco referred as his

485
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 9>meme off house. We're driving down this country road and

486
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 9>I said, okay. I counted as I passed your house,

487
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 9>I said that's one, that's two, that's three. And I

488
00:26:58.319 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 9>started to pull in the driveway and I said, this

489
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 9>is a house. You're getting out. He's like, no, I counterground,

490
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 9>it's over the hill. A drive over the hill, because

491
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 9>again I don't know how to physically get him out

492
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 9>of my car, and I didn't know what I was

493
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 9>supposed to do if I physically got out of my car.

494
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 9>So I pop over the next hill and there's a

495
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 9>big black barn. It's a you could tell it's a

496
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 9>I would call it an abandoned farm. It wasn't actively

497
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.319
<v Speaker 9>being farmed the barn. It was hay and kind of

498
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 9>mold and really tall grass, and there was a barn

499
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 9>near the roadway, and then past the barn was a

500
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 9>driveway and as soon as we passed the barn, he said,

501
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 9>here's where she lived. And as I looked up at

502
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 9>the house, it was a house that was completely dilapolated.

503
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.920
<v Speaker 9>Vines were grown through the windows, the front porch was

504
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 9>sunk in, the windows were boarded over, and I remember,

505
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 9>I said, your me.

506
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:58.160
<v Speaker 4>Mall is there.

507
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 9>There was some part to me it is desperate to

508
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 9>think I was really taking him to his grandmother's house.

509
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.440
<v Speaker 4>And he said, no, not there. Drive past it.

510
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 9>Back behind that barn. There was a second barn, even

511
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 9>back behind the house. And I told you earlier. I

512
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 9>knew that he wanted to hurt me when he told Jeff,

513
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 9>don't worry, I'll take care of her. But when he

514
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 9>told me to drive back behind that barn, at that point,

515
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 9>there's nothing to lose.

516
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 4>He's going to kill me.

517
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 9>I know he's going to kill me. And at best

518
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 9>I could hope he killed me on the roadway so

519
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.200
<v Speaker 9>somebody finds me. So I just said, I said no.

520
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 9>I drove past the driveway. I reversed into it, which

521
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 9>is something I've never ever done. But for whatever reason,

522
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 9>I drove past the driveway, I reversed in it. I

523
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 9>put my car in drive, and I'm screaming, get out

524
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 9>of the car, get out of the car. I'm just

525
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 9>over and over, that's all I'm saying. And he puts

526
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 9>his left hand on my hands, shoves the gear shift

527
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 9>into part and the next thing I know is my

528
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 9>head is being cracked into a window, smacked into the

529
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 9>steering wheel. It's just flashes of light. It's like if

530
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.440
<v Speaker 9>you're watching an old projector movie and the film comes

531
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 9>off the reel and you just see little bits and

532
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 9>pieces light and dark than images. It's just exactly like that.

533
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 9>You know, there's a I see the steering bell coming

534
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 9>at me. I can feel the glass in my head.

535
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 9>I can just feel his hands digging into my scalp

536
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 9>and it's thrashing me around. And the next thing I

537
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 9>know is that he's my head into the consoles between

538
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 9>the seats and he's putting his body weight into the

539
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 9>side of my head. And I'm still with my seat

540
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 9>belt on. The car's running. My right arm is crushed

541
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 9>under my body, my left arm is under the seatbelt

542
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 9>and I'm stuck. And I see him in.

543
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 4>What looks like.

544
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 9>Slow motion, moving his right hand because he hold me

545
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.480
<v Speaker 9>down to his left hand, He's moving his right hand

546
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 9>down the inside of his jean leg and I start screaming.

547
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 4>Jeff called the police, Call the police.

548
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.920
<v Speaker 9>He's got a gun. He's going to kill me. And

549
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 9>at that moment, my phonement that was lasting.

550
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 4>Jeff heard.

551
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 9>And when Morrison pulls up his pantlet, he had a

552
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 9>nice strapped around his angle just assumed it was a gun.

553
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.319
<v Speaker 9>I just saw a black handle. And he pulls it up,

554
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 9>and as he's pulling it over to my throat, he says,

555
00:30:54.400 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 9>this is for those years in jail. And he I

556
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:07.400
<v Speaker 9>can see his biceps like flexing, triced muscles are the

557
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 9>veins are popping up an environment. I can see him

558
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 9>pressing that mince into my throat and I can feel

559
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 9>the pressure of it, thinking this is it, this is it.

560
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:24.920
<v Speaker 9>And I remember being really specific with these thoughts that

561
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 9>I told myself, Okay, you're gonna gurgle, you're gonna taste.

562
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

563
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 5>Round two. Name something that's not boring.

564
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.640
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565
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:45.079
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566
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Jump.

567
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:47.319
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568
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.440
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569
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<v Speaker 8>joined today and play for free for your chance to

570
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 8>redeem some serious prizes.

571
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 5>Jump Chumbucasino dot com were bage plusters.

572
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:00.039
<v Speaker 8>The condition of plus.

573
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 9>Blood and then I getting be able to catch your

574
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 9>breath and that's it. And I waited and I kept breathing,

575
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 9>and I waited, and I felt the blood and I

576
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 9>felt the warm blood running down my chest, and I thought,

577
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 9>what's I'm still breathing, but I could see him. He

578
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 9>was shoving that nice into my neck, and I kept thinking,

579
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:30.440
<v Speaker 9>how am I still breathing? And he said take your

580
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 9>pants off. He was telling me what he was gonna.

581
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Do to me.

582
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 9>I don't remember his exact words, but I do remember

583
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 9>he told me what he was gonna do to me,

584
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 9>and that he specifically said take your pants off. And

585
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 9>I said, no, you're gonna If you're gonna rape me,

586
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 9>you can rape my dead body. I was finally I

587
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 9>had finally hit the rage phase. Up to this point,

588
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 9>I've been confused, I've been scared. I've been trying to

589
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 9>preserve my safety with whatever naive measures I took. But

590
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 9>at this point I knew it was over and there

591
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 9>was nothing that I was going to do that was

592
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 9>going to make it easier from him, and if he

593
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 9>wanted to rape me, he could kill me and drag my.

594
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 4>Dead body out and do it. But I was not

595
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 4>going to make it easier for him. And when I

596
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 4>said no, what's the question?

597
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Sorry? And you were a physically fit person, you said,

598
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>you're the best shape you were in your an adult

599
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>life at this point, And yeah, pumped with adrenaline. So

600
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 2>you guys were both. He was hitting you, punching you.

601
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 2>You were wrestling and fighting in this car.

602
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, war'd you.

603
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 9>Once he pinned me down with my head like that,

604
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 9>I was trapped. But when I said no, the next

605
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 9>thing I know, and there's no The only explanation I

606
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 9>have for this is some form of divine intervention, because

607
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 9>there is no other nobody else was present. The next

608
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 9>thing that happened was he was back over in his

609
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 9>because he had been up out of his seat on

610
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 9>top of the console trying to cut my throat. He's

611
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 9>back over in his seat, the knife is in his hand,

612
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 9>the tip is broken off the knife. There's a huge

613
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 9>gouge in my dashboard where apparently the knife had been

614
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.119
<v Speaker 9>drug through the dashboard. And I'm still my head is

615
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 9>still down. And when I saw that he was back

616
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 9>in the seat.

617
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 4>I thought, this is it now. I didn't think this

618
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 4>is it. You're gonna get away, You're gonna live. I thought,

619
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 4>this is it.

620
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 9>You can make sure he doesn't get away with this.

621
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 9>You know, you hear people say that that when they

622
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 9>really think they're gonna die, they have these flashbacks, they

623
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 9>think about things from their past. That for me, all

624
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 9>I saw, and this always makes me this is this

625
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 9>is one of the toughest parts. But I saw my

626
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 9>elderly parents grieving because they never knew what happened to

627
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 9>their daughter, and I just thought, you cannot let that happen.

628
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.519
<v Speaker 9>You cannot let them live like that. Thinking somebody has

629
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 9>to find my body, somebody has to find me for

630
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 9>my parents. And so the only thing that made sense

631
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 9>to me was I had to get the keys out

632
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 9>of the ignition because if he couldn't drive off in

633
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 9>my car, somebody would find my car and somebody would

634
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 9>find my body. And that was my only goal, was

635
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 9>just for somebody.

636
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 4>To find me. So then we really started fighting, and

637
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I have permanent injuries to this day from that fight.

638
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 4>And it was violent and it was.

639
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.400
<v Speaker 9>I mean, both of us were just kicking and punching

640
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 9>and anything we could get a hold of, and I

641
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 9>kept my eye on the knife all the time. I

642
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 9>wanted to make sure. I was just scared I was

643
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 9>gonna fill that plunged into my stomach. So I was

644
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 9>watching the knife, and I kept trying to use my

645
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 9>left hand and jerk the.

646
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 4>Keys out of the ignition.

647
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 9>Because my thought was, I'm gonna jernk the keys of

648
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 9>the Ignition. I'm gonna throw them out into the field,

649
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 9>and he's not gonna be able to drive off. He's

650
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:21.360
<v Speaker 9>gonna be stuck walking. And we were in the middle

651
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 9>of nowhere, So I'm desperately trying to jerk the keys

652
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 9>of the Ignition and I couldn't. I couldn't get my

653
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 9>hands on them. So then I started trying to kick

654
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 9>open the door, and I couldn't kick open the door,

655
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 9>so I was trying with my hands to open the latch.

656
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 9>So I'm fighting it with my right hand and use

657
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 9>my left hand to try to open the latch, and

658
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 9>I couldn't open it. So I you know, I'm balancing.

659
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 9>Do I look away from the knife for a second

660
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 9>to see where the door handle is because I didn't

661
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.440
<v Speaker 9>want to pick my eyes off that night. So just

662
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 9>for a second, I glanced away to get my hand

663
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 9>on the door handle to open the door. And when

664
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 9>I did, I saw a red truck driving in the distance.

665
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 9>And at that moment, I told myself, you can survive this.

666
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 9>Get in front of that red truck. Just get in

667
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 9>front of that red truck.

668
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 4>I forgot the keys.

669
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 9>I'm still fighting with them, but now I'm like, just

670
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 9>get out of this car.

671
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 4>And so we fight. I get my again.

672
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 9>We're on a farm on a kind of a dirt

673
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 9>gravel road. I get my left foot out the door

674
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 9>a little bit, start to leverage myself out.

675
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 4>He pulls me back in.

676
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 9>We fight some more, and I just keep thinking, that

677
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 9>truck's gonna pass me, that truck's gonna pass me. I

678
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 9>did it the second time. I got my foot out,

679
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 9>he jerks me back in the third time. I don't

680
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 9>know what I did different. I don't know what happened,

681
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 9>but I was able to leverage my leg against the

682
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 9>base of the door and just pull myself out with

683
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.679
<v Speaker 9>my legs and my one leg was trapped with my

684
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 9>purse wrapped around it. And I'm running with my legs

685
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 9>tangled and my purses and the contents are flying everywhere,

686
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 9>my breast are exposed where he'd dripped my shirt down,

687
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 9>and blood's running down my chest, that chunks of hair

688
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 9>hanging out of my head. And I ran straight in

689
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 9>the middle of the road and just stopped and spread

690
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 9>out my arms and spread out my legs and was

691
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 9>determined that this truck was not going to go around me.

692
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 4>And it was.

693
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 9>Difficult to put yourself in front of oncoming truck on

694
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 9>a country road. My body I could feel my legs

695
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 9>wanting to dive over into the ditch, and I just

696
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 9>kept saying to myself, you're either going to die out

697
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 9>here with him, or you're gonna get hit by a truck.

698
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 9>And I choose the truck. I would much rather get

699
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 9>hit by the truck. And I understandably, this man driving

700
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 9>the truck is just driving down a country road and

701
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 9>here comes a partially exposed woman with blood running down

702
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 9>her chest and chunks of hair hanging out of her head,

703
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 9>screaming no idea what he's just stumbled on. He stopped,

704
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 9>wasn't too far from me, and I ran to him.

705
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 9>And I don't recall doing this. I don't remember grabbing

706
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 9>my phone or downing none on one, but I had.

707
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 9>It's on the recording, and I'm screaming, tell him where

708
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 9>we are, tell him.

709
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Where we are. I don't know where I am, and

710
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 4>he I think, kind of, you.

711
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 9>Know, froze for a minute. But fortunately there's been a

712
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.840
<v Speaker 9>truck that I didn't see that drove past. They saw everything,

713
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 9>and they voluntarily stopped. It was a husband and wife

714
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.679
<v Speaker 9>with their children, and they stopped and got out of

715
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 9>the truck. And when I turned around and I saw

716
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 9>this man and this woman standing in the middle of

717
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 9>the road, it was like it was like I knew

718
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 9>I was going to be okay. Like up to that point,

719
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 9>I just kept thinking, if I run, Morrison's going to

720
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 9>catch me. He's just going to stab me to death

721
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 9>out here. But these people were out of their truck

722
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 9>and they were coming towards me. Man, it was the

723
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 9>kind of man you wanted to stop. He was big

724
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:10.400
<v Speaker 9>and intimidating, and his wife was immediately making a bee

725
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 9>line for me. And I gave them the phone and

726
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 9>he gave nine on one direction. Because as soon as

727
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 9>the phone had disconnected with Jeff in the car, after

728
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 9>I screened and said he's got a gun, he's going

729
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 9>to kill me. Jeff called the police and said, I

730
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 9>don't know what to tell you, but someone's trying to

731
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 9>kill my girlfriend in her car somewhere in Bourbon County,

732
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 9>and that's all he could tell. So from the point

733
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 9>that he had called to the point that I had called,

734
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.679
<v Speaker 9>they had detectives out. I think they called Scott County.

735
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 9>They were asking for a helicopters and understanding they had

736
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 9>dogs out and everybody was looking for me.

737
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>You you were on the phone as I Aparton made

738
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the textas were called, the police were called. There was

739
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 2>two phone call from Jeff and from these people that

740
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 2>helped you, VICKI and Kredel Gibsons and this other man

741
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 2>named David Rowe that we talked about a little bit later.

742
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>So what was his behavior? What was Morrison's behavior once

743
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 2>these people arrived intervened on your behalf? How did he

744
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>play these three people? How did he act and what

745
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>did he say?

746
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 4>It was so bizarre.

747
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what I would have expected. But he

748
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 9>sat in the car for a few minutes. The witnesses

749
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 9>all hear me telling none one one of the story.

750
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 9>I'm yelling at the same time I'm talking to them

751
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 9>I'm yelling to them, be careful. He's got a knife.

752
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 9>He tried to kill me, he tried to rape me.

753
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 9>I was afraid for their safety and I wanted dim't

754
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 9>understand that this is a violent guy and they need

755
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 9>to be careful.

756
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 4>And for the first few minutes he sat in the car.

757
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 9>Then he gets out of the car and he starts

758
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 9>talking to them and to them referring to himself as

759
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:09.119
<v Speaker 9>he says, don't don't you know who I am? I'm Morrison.

760
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 9>He just refers himself as less and.

761
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 4>Don't you know Morrison?

762
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 9>And they all three stop and kind of look at

763
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 9>each other and they're like, no, they could just it

764
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 9>took everybody. We were all shocked that he comes out

765
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 9>and he's like, look, don't you know me? And he

766
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 9>starts telling them that I'm just tripping, that we're out

767
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 9>there together, that I'm mad at him, I tried to

768
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 9>steal money from him, that I've made all this up

769
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 9>and they can just go on about their way. This

770
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 9>is just a little squabble. And I said, again, be careful.

771
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 9>He's got a knife, and he said, I don't have

772
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 9>a knife, and I said, he tried to rape me,

773
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 9>and he said. He said something to the effect that

774
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 9>I wish.

775
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 4>That he would rape me. What a treat that would

776
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 4>be for me.

777
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 9>And he continues to talk to them, and so I

778
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 9>believe it was Codell got out of the back of

779
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 9>it is Codell or David got a pipe out of

780
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 9>the back of their truck, and the two of them

781
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.800
<v Speaker 9>formed kind of like a wall between Morrison and myself,

782
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 9>because once he got out of the car, he started

783
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 9>walking towards him and then kind of around him like

784
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 9>he was trying to get around them to get to me.

785
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 9>So he continues to kind of shout stuff, and he

786
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 9>he's showing it's a parent. He still wants to physically

787
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 9>get a hold of me. Vicky gets in his sand

788
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 9>beside me. She's trying to help me stay calm. She's

789
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 9>just and I you know, here she's talking to her

790
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 9>husband and her husband like, get the lady away, get

791
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 9>the lady back, create some space. They're trying to keep

792
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 9>him controlled, and they're saying, you know, you just need.

793
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.079
<v Speaker 4>To stay here. The police will sort it out.

794
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 9>And I am. And again, I know this doesn't make

795
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 9>sense probably to your listeners, but this whole time, I

796
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 9>keep thinking they're gonna leave.

797
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna leave. This is dangerous. They don't know if

798
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 4>he's got a gun, and they're just gonna leave me

799
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 4>here with him. So I begged them and sobbing.

800
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 9>Can hear me talking to the nine oneer an operator

801
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 9>and then looking at them and saying, please don't leave,

802
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.880
<v Speaker 9>Please don't leave. If you leave me, he'll kill me.

803
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 9>And I'm because I'm afraid they're gonna leave. I'm wanting

804
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 9>to tell them, you know, the police are almost here.

805
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 9>The police are almost here. And I keep saying, when

806
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 9>are they coming? When are they coming?

807
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 4>So we start to hear sirens.

808
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 9>You can't see any lights, but it's from a it's

809
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 9>from a distance. So we're out in the country and

810
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 9>you can hear. You start to hear the sound of

811
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 9>the sirens rolling over the hills and come up and

812
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 9>meeting us on the road. And when we all hear

813
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 9>that sound, we stop and everybody looks, and Morrison gets

814
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 9>really nervous and he starts looking around. He goes back

815
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 9>to the car and he pulls out a bag. I

816
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 9>bagged it to that moment, I had not, but I

817
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 9>saw it. All the witnesses saw it. He grabs a

818
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 9>bag throws it over his shoulder, but before he runs

819
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 9>off Kojel Gibson says, hey, I see the knife. Put

820
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.800
<v Speaker 9>the knife down. And Morrison's like, I don't have a knife,

821
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 9>what knife? What are you talking about? And Gibson is like,

822
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Speaker 9>I see the knife, and I remember said I see

823
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 9>the dog gone knife, put it down. So Morrison walks

824
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 9>over and tries to give it to one of the

825
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 9>witnesses and he puts it on the truck and I'm yelling,

826
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 9>that's evidence. Don't touch that, and Morrison walks down the

827
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 9>road away from the sound of the sirens and hops

828
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 9>the fence and we see him disappear into a tree line.

829
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>You saw some things in that bag, you weren't certain,

830
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>but there was a couple of things you saw for

831
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 2>sure certain. What what did you see in that green bag?

832
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.639
<v Speaker 9>Well, again, first my thoughts, he pulled that and when

833
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 9>it so, it startled me and I was focused on

834
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 9>that bag and it appeared to have a roll of

835
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 9>duct tape and a hammer and some rope, and I

836
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 9>just thought, that's what he was going to do to

837
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 9>me behind that barn.

838
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 4>That's that's that's it.

839
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 9>Unfortunately, that bag was never found. I begged and begged

840
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 9>for somebody to look for it. I went out and

841
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:34.559
<v Speaker 9>looked for it the following Monday, but he had run

842
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:41.159
<v Speaker 9>off into the tree line. And law enforcement starts streaming

843
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 9>in kind of one at a time. You know, it's

844
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 9>it's a it's a rural area. They don't get a

845
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 9>lot of kidnapping calls active ones. So volunteers are coming in, police,

846
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:59.719
<v Speaker 9>sheriff's deputies, they're trying to gather get organized. I'm freaking out.

847
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.360
<v Speaker 9>His I'm all of a sudden thinking about a trial

848
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 9>now and evidence and crime scene and photos and what

849
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 9>are we gathering and what's going on? And their concern

850
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 9>is is you know, finding this guy obviously, And and

851
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 9>so I call a friend of mine. His name's Steve Schoring.

852
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 9>He was my actually my trial practice professor, and we've

853
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 9>got to be good friends and he's a brilliant criminal

854
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 9>defense attorney. And I'm just he answers the phone, and

855
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.199
<v Speaker 9>I just start screaming. They're they're ruining the crime scene.

856
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 9>I don't know, there's nobody's doing anything, and like they're

857
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 9>nobody's like collecting evidence, they're not taking photos, nobody's talking

858
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 9>to me, nobody's and so he calms me town and

859
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 9>he's like, just just talk to them, You're gonna be okay.

860
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 9>He's trying to, you know, calm me down. So one

861
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.559
<v Speaker 9>of the officers came up to me and asked me

862
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 9>what happened, and I just briefly explained to him, and

863
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 9>he said, oh my god, you are abducted.

864
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 4>And I remember I turned.

865
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 9>Around and looked kind of almost behind me, and I

866
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 9>was like what, and he said, you were kidnapped, and

867
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 9>I just thought who would kidnap me? Like I still,

868
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 9>even though I just had lived it, I was still

869
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 9>not able to call it what it was or see

870
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 9>what it was. I just found myself either completely terrified

871
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 9>or in trial practice mode. How he was either terrified

872
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 9>and sobbing or looking at the scene trying to see

873
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.360
<v Speaker 9>what we needed for a trial, and there just didn't

874
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 9>seem to be anything in between. So they dispersed. They're

875
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 9>out looking for him. An ambulance shows up, and a

876
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 9>state trooper shows up, and for a while I was

877
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 9>there by myself, and I thought, Okay, he's going to

878
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 9>circle back around and kill me while I'm sitting here

879
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 9>alone while everybody else is out looking for him. But thankfully,

880
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 9>im As arrived very quickly. The state troops showed up.

881
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:03.079
<v Speaker 8>And he.

882
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 9>Asked me a couple of questions, and ems kept wanting

883
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 9>to check me out. I was bleeding and I didn't

884
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 9>want him to touch me. I didn't want to be touched,

885
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 9>and they kept saying. They kept trying to coax me

886
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.199
<v Speaker 9>into the ambulance. They said, please let us check you out.

887
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 9>We just we just need to make sure that you're okay.

888
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:22.320
<v Speaker 4>But I couldn't.

889
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 9>I was more interested in what's going on with the search.

890
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 9>Are they going to find him?

891
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 4>Where is he? Is he close to me?

892
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 9>Because all I knew was he disappeared in some trees.

893
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 9>I didn't know where he was.

894
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 4>So I'm watching.

895
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 9>The Bourbon County Sheriff's deputies and they they did an

896
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 9>excellent job. They very quickly, so I could see their

897
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 9>cars all kind of came into a circle. So I thought, okay,

898
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 9>he must be they think he's in that circle. And

899
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 9>they found him and I heard them radio the trooper

900
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 9>and I said, we found him. He's you know, he's

901
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.440
<v Speaker 9>he's kind of hidden himself and he won't come out.

902
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 9>So the trooper took off into the field and I

903
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 9>was left there with the EMS, and I thought, okay,

904
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 9>they have their eyes on him, you know I can

905
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 9>I can let them check me out now. So they

906
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 9>start checking me out and they put me in the ambulance,

907
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 9>trying to make sure that I'm not, you know, too

908
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 9>severely injured. And the next thing I know is they're saying,

909
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 9>we need to get out of the ambulance. And I thought,

910
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 9>you just spent twenty minutes trying to get me in here.

911
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 9>Why do you why do you want me out now?

912
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.960
<v Speaker 9>And they said, well, the trooper wants you to identify

913
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 9>the guy they found. And I said okay, so I'd

914
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 9>get out the back of the ambulance and the trooper

915
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 9>had his window down, obviously the back window was up,

916
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 9>and he said, can you identify him as this the man?

917
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 4>So I walked.

918
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 9>Car and I just glanced beaucept did not want to

919
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 9>look at him, and I just said, yeah, that's him.

920
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 9>And as I turned to walk away, I could see

921
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:09.480
<v Speaker 9>how the queer of my eye. He starts wagging his

922
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 9>head no, and he's screaming, why are you doing this

923
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.400
<v Speaker 9>to me? Why are you making this up? Why are

924
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 9>you doing this to me? And I just snapped and

925
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 9>I ran towards that car and was beating on the window.

926
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 9>I called him and said things that I shouldn't say

927
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 9>on your podcastings I've never said before. I might have

928
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.559
<v Speaker 9>made some words up, but it was foul and it

929
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 9>was nasty, and I wanted him to understand. I just

930
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.719
<v Speaker 9>kept saying to him, you picked the wrong woman. You

931
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.719
<v Speaker 9>picked the wrong woman. You're going to die in prison,

932
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 9>or I will kill you when you get out. And

933
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:48.880
<v Speaker 9>I was like, you don't have to come looking for me.

934
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 9>I'm waiting for you, and just kept trying to get

935
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 9>a hold of him. I just wanted to put my

936
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.679
<v Speaker 9>hands on him, because for the first time in this

937
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 9>whole incident, I was I wanted to tear him apart,

938
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 9>piece by piece, And if I had gotten my hands

939
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 9>on him, I probably would have been part of me.

940
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 9>Just wish if I could have for just a few minutes,

941
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 9>because I just wanted him to know that he needed

942
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:17.960
<v Speaker 9>to be afraid of me at that moment.

943
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Now let's talk about what happens. We need to sort

944
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of move along a little bit towards and not cover

945
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>every ridiculous thing that his defense attorney and he contends,

946
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 2>needless to say, what this book really entails a lot

947
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 2>of is your fight to be able to gather in

948
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.679
<v Speaker 2>for evidence to assist the police. You were an attorney,

949
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:49.679
<v Speaker 2>so obviously no, you know what credible, valuable evidence and

950
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.440
<v Speaker 2>what kind of evidence is necessary for the type of

951
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 2>conviction that you wanted. So when he talked about you

952
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>guys doing drugs together, ridiculous notion that you were having

953
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>late night sex parties where you were performing sexual acts

954
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and it's all some ridiculous not that we won't go

955
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 2>into it because it's all ridiculous nonsense, but without any

956
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 2>evidence backing it up whatsoever. But tell us about what

957
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of charges with this, Gordy Shaw, What kind of

958
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>charges were available for Morrison to be charged with, and

959
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>your dissatisfaction with those charges and why, Well.

960
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 9>They charged them with resisting arrest, which is a misdemeanor,

961
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 9>and it had nothing to do with me. It was

962
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 9>that infuriated me, which I mean, it's fine to charge

963
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:48.159
<v Speaker 9>him with that, But they charged him with a misdemeanor

964
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 9>resisting arrest. They charged him with sexual assault, a lower

965
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 9>level sex abuse type charge. When I was looking for

966
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 9>tempted rate since he had a knife and he pushed

967
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 9>them to my throat, and let me be clear, the

968
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.000
<v Speaker 9>only reason he didn't slice my throat open was because

969
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 9>I had on a really chunky necklace with these semi

970
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 9>precious stones and the knife actually so my net catebrasis

971
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 9>and bruises. But there was a divot in the stone

972
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 9>where he was pressing and pressing, and he had dug.

973
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.239
<v Speaker 4>So hard he dug a divot out of that stone.

974
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 9>That was one of the pieces of evidence I had

975
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:33.719
<v Speaker 9>to beg somebody to collect, but I expected him to

976
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 9>be charged rightfully. So with attempted rape, I wanted them

977
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 9>to consider attempted murder. I wanted them, but they got kidnapping,

978
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 9>which on its own, kidnapping in Kentucky is only and

979
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 9>I say only because when you believe somebody's going to

980
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 9>kill you, when they get out of prison, ten to

981
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:03.360
<v Speaker 9>twenty years doesn't feel that long. So it's kidnapping by

982
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 9>itself is only attend to twenty year penalty, and he's

983
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 9>eligible to be released after only serving twenty percent of that.

984
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 9>So the prosecutors never explained any of that to me.

985
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 4>I did my own research.

986
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 9>So they charged him with one significant charge, which was

987
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 9>the kidnapping. The sexual charge, which was I thought, very weak.

988
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:31.360
<v Speaker 4>And then.

989
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.840
<v Speaker 9>A misdemeanor, and with certain crimes, if you charge them,

990
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 9>there can be no eligible there's no eligibility to be

991
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 9>released until you serve at least eighty five percent of

992
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.880
<v Speaker 9>the time, which again these other charges would have carried that,

993
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 9>but what they charged him with didn't. So that night

994
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 9>at the hospital, when the trooper told me what they

995
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 9>charged him with, I said, don't get your blue book.

996
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.599
<v Speaker 9>I'll walk through the elements. I will show you that

997
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 9>these backs meet more significant charges. And he wouldn't, and

998
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 9>he happened to tell me and was being questioned at

999
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.440
<v Speaker 9>the police department. He mentioned what you said. You know,

1000
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 9>we were doing drugs together, and I was.

1001
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Like great, Like that's great. So I got out of

1002
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 4>the hospital bed.

1003
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 9>And went and demanded a full drug screen, hair, blood, urine,

1004
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 9>whatever they could do to go back as far as

1005
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.320
<v Speaker 9>they can go back, because I have never done drugs,

1006
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 9>and to me, that was I was thrilled that he

1007
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 9>said that, because it was easy to disprove.

1008
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 4>So from that point.

1009
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 9>Forward, I started drafting emails. The friend that I mentioned earlier,

1010
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.840
<v Speaker 9>Steve Shoring, that's the defense attorney. He sent letters to

1011
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 9>the office. We're saying, you know, we think it could

1012
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.920
<v Speaker 9>be more significant charges. Here's the evidence, please collect this.

1013
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 9>I paid for my I made car payments and insured

1014
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.519
<v Speaker 9>my car for a year, even though I had it

1015
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 9>parked on my family farm. Because the car was the

1016
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.199
<v Speaker 9>crime scene, nobody looked at it, nobody took photos.

1017
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:04.679
<v Speaker 4>I took photos.

1018
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 9>I'm the ones who requested photos of my injuries be taken,

1019
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.760
<v Speaker 9>and all the photos shown at trial were photos that

1020
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 9>I took. Nobody else took them. So I spent the

1021
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:24.159
<v Speaker 9>first several months three months after this happened, I didn't sleep.

1022
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:27.320
<v Speaker 9>Every night, I would push my dresser in front of

1023
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:28.519
<v Speaker 9>my door in my house.

1024
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 4>I had all new windows, put in, new locks, exterior lights.

1025
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:37.519
<v Speaker 9>Bought a new gun, did some training, didn't go anywhere

1026
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 9>without a gun, only went to my house and to work.

1027
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:45.000
<v Speaker 9>I stayed home for five days after it happened. Then

1028
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 9>I went back to work, but I never went anywhere

1029
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 9>without my gun, and I almost never slept. And I

1030
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 9>was so exhausted and so tired of asking somebody to

1031
00:57:55.559 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 9>pay attention to this case. After multiple calls that I

1032
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 9>still have saying called here, this person knows this, here's

1033
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 9>a piece of evidence, I still have my shirt.

1034
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:07.320
<v Speaker 4>I still have my necklace.

1035
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 9>Please come look at my car. You'll see how violent

1036
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 9>it was. You can see the mice damage the inside

1037
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 9>of my car. You know, anything and nothing was happening.

1038
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 9>And you know when you when you go to bed

1039
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 9>every night and you wake up every morning more tired

1040
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 9>than you were when you went to bed, and you're

1041
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 9>literally just waiting for someone to kill you. Because the

1042
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 9>last thing he said to me when I was pulling

1043
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 9>out of the car, when I was running out towards

1044
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 9>that truck, was it doesn't matter if you get away,

1045
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:45.440
<v Speaker 9>I am going to kill you. And I believe him now.

1046
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 9>I believed him then he had just tried to kill me.

1047
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 9>Of course, I believe he's going to keep me.

1048
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:50.960
<v Speaker 4>He's going to come back.

1049
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 9>So I'm doing everything I can, you know, without interfering

1050
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 9>in the case. I'm trying to build it and think

1051
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 9>about it. I'm talking to my friends and our lawyers,

1052
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.039
<v Speaker 9>and I was like, you know, what's going on. Why

1053
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.679
<v Speaker 9>can't I get anybody to pay attention to this. So

1054
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.199
<v Speaker 9>at some point I was sitting in my office looking

1055
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:17.119
<v Speaker 9>out the window, and I had noticed they were bringing

1056
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:23.920
<v Speaker 9>some inmates in from another county to come to come

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00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.679
<v Speaker 9>to court in Scott County and it just clicked and

1058
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<v Speaker 9>I thought, Okay, here's my answer.

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<v Speaker 4>My office.

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00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.800
<v Speaker 9>I went over to the courthouse. I was trying to

1061
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 9>figure out how the backstairs work where they bring the inmates.

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00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.519
<v Speaker 9>On my way back to the office, I ran into

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<v Speaker 9>one of the sheriff steputings and asked them, when you

1064
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 9>transport prisoners, you know what steps do you bring them up?

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<v Speaker 9>Because Morrison was being held in Bourbon County because that's

1066
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 9>where we were found, and I had filed charges against

1067
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.159
<v Speaker 9>him in Scott County on my own the monday after

1068
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 9>I was kidnapped and filed additional charges in Scott County

1069
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<v Speaker 9>so that if he got out of jail in Bourbon,

1070
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.400
<v Speaker 9>he would immediately have to go to Scott.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my hope.

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<v Speaker 9>I was just trying to buy myself some time that

1073
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 9>if he was able to make bail, that at least

1074
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.199
<v Speaker 9>I would have warning and he would be then in

1075
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 9>the Scott County jail and I could do whatever I

1076
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:21.480
<v Speaker 9>had to do.

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01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 4>To keep myself safe.

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<v Speaker 9>So after months of this, I thought, the only thing

1079
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:38.920
<v Speaker 9>I can do to stop living with this constant fear

1080
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Speaker 9>is to just take care of things myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I came up with a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, luckily you talked yourself out or we're talked out

1098
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of this plan, and you fought more justice the conventional way,

1099
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the way you knew. But this is a great demonstration

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01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 2>of the incredible fear, the real tangible fear that this

1101
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.119
<v Speaker 2>man would kill you. As a bail hearing, you realize

1102
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that he was living with his grandmother three blocks away.

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01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:47.960
<v Speaker 2>His grandmother was calling you to basically say, listen, you

1104
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 2>got my son all wrong or my grandson all wrong.

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01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Just back off. These charges. So yeah, intimidation and fear

1106
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:59.840
<v Speaker 2>were just your constant companions. Now with this grand jury,

1107
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 2>thought that you had given Gordi Shaw, You tried to

1108
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 2>give Gordyshaw a bunch of evidence, but it didn't seem

1109
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.800
<v Speaker 2>like anybody was cooperative whatsoever. You realized and you were

1110
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.199
<v Speaker 2>told and people have said that a grand jury it's

1111
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 2>easy to indict. In fact, the grand jury could indict

1112
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 2>a ham sandwich. What happens with the grand jury, despite

1113
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 2>when you learned that Cordell and Vicky Gibson gave really

1114
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:31.800
<v Speaker 2>strong statements that you thought supported even the attempted murder

1115
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 2>charge that wasn't laid. But what happens with this grand

1116
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 2>jury and the indictment.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm not allowed to know what happens in grand jury.

1118
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 9>It's all secret, other than I'm allowed to know what

1119
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 9>charges come out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I had asked that they.

1121
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:57.599
<v Speaker 9>Present attempted rate and attempted murder and some other charges.

1122
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 9>I was told old by the prosecutor that they had

1123
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:07.000
<v Speaker 9>presented it and the grand jury wouldn't invite. So I

1124
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.440
<v Speaker 9>asked to hear the tapes because I didn't believe them,

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01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:16.920
<v Speaker 9>because just the statements from the Gibsons alone, without without

1126
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.599
<v Speaker 9>me being without my statements being considered, their statements would

1127
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 9>have been enough for that. And once I demanded to

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01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 9>hear the tapes, I was told there was a mistake.

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01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:33.800
<v Speaker 9>They actually never had presented them. I continue to politely ask,

1130
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.880
<v Speaker 9>and then uh, not so politely asked, And they were

1131
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 9>never presented to grand jury as far as I know,

1132
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 9>they only presented the kidnapping and the demeanor charge and

1133
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:55.199
<v Speaker 9>the sixth abuse charge. Now, what did what did scare

1134
01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:00.760
<v Speaker 9>me is that the one thing that the trooper did

1135
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.920
<v Speaker 9>through all of this that I'm really grateful for, he

1136
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 9>didn't have to do, and I appreciate it. He called

1137
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:07.360
<v Speaker 9>me after he presented to grand Jerry, and I.

1138
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Said, well, what did they say about the rape or

1139
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 4>the you know, the murder.

1140
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:11.840
<v Speaker 9>And he said, well, I didn't talk about that, and

1141
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.880
<v Speaker 9>I'm like, well, if you're the only witness, he said, well,

1142
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:16.840
<v Speaker 9>they didn't ask me questions about that, and so he

1143
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.079
<v Speaker 9>I knew that it hadn't been presented, but he said

1144
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.519
<v Speaker 9>there was only one question that was asked and it

1145
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 9>was a woman and she asked why did she let

1146
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:30.280
<v Speaker 9>him in her car?

1147
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:35.800
<v Speaker 4>And that question, I think is what drove me to consider.

1148
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.880
<v Speaker 9>Taking justice into my hands because I just kept thinking,

1149
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.000
<v Speaker 9>they'll never convict to my kidnapping. They're going to blame me,

1150
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 9>They're going to think, you know, and so I just

1151
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 9>thought that that we wouldn't prevail with that. So this

1152
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 9>all happened, like I said, with in the first couple

1153
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 9>of months after the kidnapping, and it was actually had

1154
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.679
<v Speaker 9>a church retreat where I finally realized, Okay, you know,

1155
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 9>if I actually move forward with this, one I'm not

1156
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 9>trusting God to keep me safe, and two I'm no

1157
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 9>better than Morse and that I just have to regardless

1158
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 9>of what happens. I cannot walk with this kind of

1159
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 9>hatred or anger for somebody because I'll tell you, the

1160
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.920
<v Speaker 9>hatred and the resentment that I had developed for him

1161
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.840
<v Speaker 9>was changing who I was as a person, and it

1162
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:33.519
<v Speaker 9>was making me bitter. And yeah, this may sound strange,

1163
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:40.599
<v Speaker 9>but I'm forgave him and doing so was the best

1164
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.679
<v Speaker 9>best gift I could give myself. That just took so

1165
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:46.920
<v Speaker 9>much off of me. Now, when I say I forgave him,

1166
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.400
<v Speaker 9>I still think he needs to die in prison. Forgiveness

1167
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 9>doesn't mean somehow he's off the hook or that we're buddies,

1168
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 9>or I'm going to make him brownies and go have

1169
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 9>a Bible study with him at the prison. It just

1170
01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 9>means that to me, I no longer I'm going to

1171
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:01.760
<v Speaker 9>them down and kill him. I don't have that drive

1172
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:05.840
<v Speaker 9>to do that. I have accepted what he chose to do,

1173
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:08.480
<v Speaker 9>and I think he needs to be punished to the

1174
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:13.320
<v Speaker 9>full extent of the law. But oftentimes when I talk

1175
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.880
<v Speaker 9>to Vixon, the most meaningful thing you can ever do

1176
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 9>is forgive yourself and forgive the person did it, because

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01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 9>you do spend a lot of time beating yourself up.

1178
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.119
<v Speaker 9>And why didn't I do this differently? And why didn't

1179
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 9>I do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get to the trial, because we have a lot

1181
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of story to go to explain for the audience to hear.

1182
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.079
<v Speaker 2>We have on the line the former judge Rob Johnson,

1183
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 2>judge presiding at this trial. Unfortunately, the line seems to

1184
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:49.400
<v Speaker 2>be not very good, and I want to make sure

1185
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.119
<v Speaker 2>that people get the story. So Sharon, I'm going to

1186
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:56.480
<v Speaker 2>get you to continue with this trial, telling me what

1187
01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:01.239
<v Speaker 2>happens at this trial and well the plea agreement and

1188
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.119
<v Speaker 2>some of the pressure that you put on. And it's

1189
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 2>interesting for the audience is not every jurisdiction in the

1190
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 2>world has this that our district attorney, a prosecutor, a

1191
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 2>commonwealth attorney would call you and ask you if a

1192
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:18.440
<v Speaker 2>deal that we're presented were sufficient. So tell us about

1193
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.960
<v Speaker 2>this trial and these are plea agreements that they presented

1194
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 2>to you. And your response.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, the Friday before the trial was supposed to start.

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01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.840
<v Speaker 9>On the following Wednesday, I got a call to come

1197
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 9>in and meet with the prosecutor's office and I was

1198
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.079
<v Speaker 9>so exc I thought, Okay, they're going to prep me,

1199
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 9>we're going to talk about questions, We're finally going to

1200
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.760
<v Speaker 9>do this. And they brought me in and they told

1201
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:42.639
<v Speaker 9>me about a.

1202
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Letter that.

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01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 9>Morrison had written in jail and he was writing it

1204
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.880
<v Speaker 9>to his attorney. Basically, it's his version of the story,

1205
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.639
<v Speaker 9>and he had one of the cellmates signed it as

1206
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:58.000
<v Speaker 9>a witness, and that cellmate told the jailer. So the

1207
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.960
<v Speaker 9>jailer affects a copy to the prosecutor's office because it's

1208
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.880
<v Speaker 9>not privileged when a third party.

1209
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:06.400
<v Speaker 4>Find it.

1210
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 9>So I got to read it and he basically admitted

1211
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:15.400
<v Speaker 9>to everything. And then the prosecutor asked me, keep in mind,

1212
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.239
<v Speaker 9>this is a year later so a year had already

1213
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 9>passed if I would accept a five year offer on

1214
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:26.000
<v Speaker 9>this case, which would mean he literally would be available

1215
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.039
<v Speaker 9>to be let out of jail the same day because

1216
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:32.159
<v Speaker 9>he would only serve of that five years, which again

1217
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:33.640
<v Speaker 9>they didn't explain that to me. I had to figure

1218
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.399
<v Speaker 9>that out on my own. So I had a pretty

1219
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:42.920
<v Speaker 9>aggressive negative response to that. Again, don't know what I

1220
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:48.239
<v Speaker 9>should say, but it was a firm, no, unequivocal and

1221
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 9>tell them not to bring anything back up to me

1222
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.439
<v Speaker 9>again that I would accept a life sentence, but.

1223
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.880
<v Speaker 4>Nothing less than that. And the only reason.

1224
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.920
<v Speaker 9>A life sentence was available was because this guy had

1225
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.119
<v Speaker 9>a Lenky Fellon pass. So he's what in Kentucky we

1226
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 9>call it a persistent felony offender. So even though kidnapping

1227
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.880
<v Speaker 9>only was ten to twenty years, being a persistent felony

1228
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.119
<v Speaker 9>offender bumps it up to twenty to life, So twenty

1229
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:18.920
<v Speaker 9>then becomes the minimum on just that one chart. So

1230
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:21.760
<v Speaker 9>of course five years was nothing I would even consider,

1231
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 9>and I explained to them.

1232
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.720
<v Speaker 4>He tried to kill me, He's going to kill me. No,

1233
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:31.319
<v Speaker 4>I'd rather lose a trial than agree to five years.

1234
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.279
<v Speaker 9>So they gave me a copy of that letter, I

1235
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 9>asked for it. I went, spent the weekend at Keiko's,

1236
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 9>made huge exhibits, stuff passed out to the jury, drove

1237
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.680
<v Speaker 9>back Monday, had to borrow friends g because then it

1238
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:46.439
<v Speaker 9>was were too big for.

1239
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.039
<v Speaker 4>My car, and dropped him.

1240
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:50.560
<v Speaker 9>All of the proces years off that I wanted to

1241
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:54.760
<v Speaker 9>be prepped, and didn't hear much other than show up

1242
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 9>at the courthouse at noon on Wednesday. So I'm driving

1243
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.000
<v Speaker 9>to the courthouse at noon on windy day. Again, haven't

1244
01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:02.920
<v Speaker 9>been prepped, don't have a clue what I'm going to

1245
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.840
<v Speaker 9>be asked, don't know anything about what's about to happen.

1246
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:07.880
<v Speaker 4>And I get a call from the.

1247
01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 9>Trooper and he said, the prosecutor and the defense have

1248
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:19.720
<v Speaker 9>agreed to twenty years, but the judge won't take it

1249
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 9>unless you agreed. And I said twenty years and he

1250
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.760
<v Speaker 9>says yeah, And I said again, very aggressive no, And

1251
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:29.960
<v Speaker 9>I hung up on him. And of course, and Steve,

1252
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.840
<v Speaker 9>the same friend that I keep mentioning, he was driving

1253
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 9>me and he said, Sharon, he said, they're not prepared.

1254
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:41.199
<v Speaker 9>They're not going to pursue the sex charge. It's a

1255
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:43.920
<v Speaker 9>very likely you won't prevail at trial. He said, I'm

1256
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.560
<v Speaker 9>not comfortable with that, he said, I think you need

1257
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 9>to take the twenty He said, I'm just we could

1258
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.359
<v Speaker 9>not see any work that they had done to be

1259
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:54.520
<v Speaker 9>successful at trial, and he said you need to take it.

1260
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:57.840
<v Speaker 9>So I called the trooper back. Didn't want to take it,

1261
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:01.359
<v Speaker 9>was mad about it, but I said, fine, I'll take it.

1262
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:05.640
<v Speaker 9>And again they had told me not to be at

1263
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:08.239
<v Speaker 9>the courthouse till a certain time because they were going

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01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.560
<v Speaker 9>to be picking a jury. And when I got there,

1265
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.560
<v Speaker 9>everything had happened in the court. The judge had dismissed

1266
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:22.640
<v Speaker 9>the jury, and I was told that they had recommended

1267
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:31.960
<v Speaker 9>twenty years, and considering that, I was fearful that we

1268
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:35.479
<v Speaker 9>would get a not guilty. You know, I just had

1269
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.680
<v Speaker 9>a lot of mixed emotions. I wasn't sure what to think.

1270
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:42.079
<v Speaker 4>Came back and.

1271
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:45.159
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

1272
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.399
<v Speaker 4>If you want to hear Judge Johnson's perspective.

1273
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:53.600
<v Speaker 2>On it, I would say him, I'd like, I said,

1274
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.399
<v Speaker 2>his line has been compromised, so I'm going to have

1275
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to get you to tell his side.

1276
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:04.039
<v Speaker 4>Out of this, Okay. So we show up.

1277
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:10.279
<v Speaker 9>Several months later for what's for the sentencing saying and

1278
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.159
<v Speaker 9>the judges what's interesting A lot of people don't understand

1279
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 9>is judges have no idea what goes on in the

1280
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:17.960
<v Speaker 9>case other than what's shown to them in the courtroom.

1281
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.920
<v Speaker 9>They don't know about the investigation. They don't know my story.

1282
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.680
<v Speaker 9>They only hear it as it's played out in trial.

1283
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.279
<v Speaker 9>And since since he entered a for agreed to twenty years,

1284
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:34.800
<v Speaker 9>there was no trial. So judges get what's called a

1285
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:37.600
<v Speaker 9>they get a report. A PSI is what it's called it.

1286
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:42.159
<v Speaker 9>It's a precedencing investigation, and it gives them more details

1287
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 9>about the defendant and the crime. And then I wrote

1288
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:49.319
<v Speaker 9>what's called the victim's Impact Statement, and I think I

1289
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 9>sent in almost fifty fifty different people wrote letters to

1290
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:58.039
<v Speaker 9>Judge Johnson because I wanted him to understand the impact

1291
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.079
<v Speaker 9>that this had on me. So we went to sentencing

1292
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.439
<v Speaker 9>and I had Steve on one side of me literally

1293
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.960
<v Speaker 9>physically holding me up because my hands were shaking, and

1294
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 9>I was just openly sobbing in court, which of course

1295
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.640
<v Speaker 9>is humiliating. This is the court room I practice, and

1296
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.319
<v Speaker 9>these are my colleagues, the bailiffs, the clerks, these are

1297
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.760
<v Speaker 9>people that know me and see me work all the time.

1298
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:34.159
<v Speaker 9>And except for Judge Johnson, I had avoided his courtroom

1299
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:36.319
<v Speaker 9>as a lawyer because he was a judge in my case,

1300
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:39.359
<v Speaker 9>and he had been an outstanding judge, and I didn't

1301
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:41.680
<v Speaker 9>want him to have to accuse himself, so I avoided

1302
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 9>him at all costs. But everybody else in the room

1303
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:49.880
<v Speaker 9>I knew quite well. So I'm sobbing and I'm crying

1304
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:53.640
<v Speaker 9>and I'm trying to talk but no sound is coming out,

1305
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:55.960
<v Speaker 9>and my friend Amy is on the other side of me,

1306
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.000
<v Speaker 9>and she's pointing. I have like this bullet list where

1307
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:01.520
<v Speaker 9>you know, she pointing her fingers, like tell him this,

1308
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 9>tell you know, these are my notes, These are things

1309
01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:06.000
<v Speaker 9>I want to tell the judge. And I couldn't get

1310
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:09.880
<v Speaker 9>it out, and I just remember looking at him, and

1311
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.319
<v Speaker 9>he looked so.

1312
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:15.079
<v Speaker 4>Well.

1313
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:18.199
<v Speaker 9>I had his attention. He was leaning up over the

1314
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:20.640
<v Speaker 9>bench trying trying to hear what I was saying.

1315
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Steve was like, you've got to speak up. The judge

1316
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.399
<v Speaker 4>can't hear you. So finally I get out.

1317
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 9>Basically, I want you to give him as much as

1318
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 9>you can give him. Twenty years isn't enough. He's going

1319
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:34.720
<v Speaker 9>to come back and kill me. He tried to kill

1320
01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.920
<v Speaker 9>me once. Please do whatever you can to keep me safe.

1321
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:39.560
<v Speaker 9>I was like, you're the only one who can keep

1322
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:40.039
<v Speaker 9>me safe.

1323
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.680
<v Speaker 4>And the judge.

1324
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:53.199
<v Speaker 9>Commented on the sentencing report, the defense and their arguments

1325
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:57.319
<v Speaker 9>and said something to the effect that he's one of

1326
01:14:57.399 --> 01:14:59.800
<v Speaker 9>the most dangerous men that he's seen in his courtroom.

1327
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.159
<v Speaker 9>He's had a long list of victims of before me

1328
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 9>and now me, and that if he's out of prison,

1329
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 9>he's concerned there'll be other victims to follow, and that

1330
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:12.439
<v Speaker 9>this was going to stop, and this is going to

1331
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.640
<v Speaker 9>stop today, and that he has now been sentenced to

1332
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:15.439
<v Speaker 9>life in prison.

1333
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:18.640
<v Speaker 4>And I couldn't believe it.

1334
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:22.039
<v Speaker 3>It was.

1335
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 4>Definitely a life changing moment for me.

1336
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:29.960
<v Speaker 9>I didn't even hear I don't even know what happened

1337
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:35.000
<v Speaker 9>after that. Steve took my friends and I out to

1338
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:38.159
<v Speaker 9>lunch after because I just kept saying, Steve, I don't know,

1339
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:41.880
<v Speaker 9>I don't understand what happened. And we sat down at lunch,

1340
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 9>and you know, Steve explained, even though it's a life sentence,

1341
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:49.920
<v Speaker 9>he's available for parole in twenty years, because in Kentucky

1342
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.520
<v Speaker 9>life doesn't mean life, it means twenty years. But at least,

1343
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.079
<v Speaker 9>you know, if he had been given a twenty year sentence,

1344
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:01.239
<v Speaker 9>it would only mean four years past. Judge Johnson gave

1345
01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:05.279
<v Speaker 9>me I guaranteed twenty years and if I show up

1346
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.520
<v Speaker 9>every time he's up for parroll and talks and I can,

1347
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 9>I have the option of fighting to keep him in longer.

1348
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.520
<v Speaker 4>So we left that day.

1349
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:20.279
<v Speaker 9>I thought, finally, finally I get my life back. Finally

1350
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:22.079
<v Speaker 9>I don't have to take a gun with me into

1351
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.520
<v Speaker 9>the grocery store to the church I don't have I

1352
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.520
<v Speaker 9>can actually drive with my windows down or sit on

1353
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:29.680
<v Speaker 9>my back porch, which I've done none of those things

1354
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:32.720
<v Speaker 9>for a year. And a few weeks later I get

1355
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:36.560
<v Speaker 9>noticed that Morrison has filed emotion to withdraw his plea

1356
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.680
<v Speaker 9>and claims that he had no idea what he was

1357
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:44.039
<v Speaker 9>doing on that day, and you know, to speed things

1358
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:46.560
<v Speaker 9>up for the listener. We just went into a litany

1359
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:51.439
<v Speaker 9>of all kinds of motions and excuses, and Judge Johnson

1360
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:54.640
<v Speaker 9>did exactly what he should have done and held all

1361
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:58.159
<v Speaker 9>these hearings, and there was competency hearings, and again in

1362
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 9>September that year made a ruling, No, you were perfectly competent,

1363
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 9>you had capable representation. The sentence stands. So they pealed

1364
01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:13.399
<v Speaker 9>it to the Kentucky Supreme Court, who essentially came back saying,

1365
01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:20.479
<v Speaker 9>you know, I think they thought it was too much

1366
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:25.560
<v Speaker 9>time for a kidnapping because kidnapping in Kentucky is ten

1367
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:29.680
<v Speaker 9>to twenty. So they came back and said he either

1368
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:34.119
<v Speaker 9>gets a new trial or twenty years. And Judge Johnson

1369
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:40.159
<v Speaker 9>said this crime was too violent and with his history,

1370
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.600
<v Speaker 9>twenty years is not enough. We're going to have a trial.

1371
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:47.039
<v Speaker 9>And so the only reason I ever got in front

1372
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:51.760
<v Speaker 9>of the jury was because Judge Johnson made the prosecutors

1373
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:52.159
<v Speaker 9>go there.

1374
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:53.439
<v Speaker 4>They were not going to do it.

1375
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.159
<v Speaker 9>So then we start what I call the second trial,

1376
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 9>and there's motions and motions, and they the defense tries

1377
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.800
<v Speaker 9>to get the judge removed, the defense tries to change

1378
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.880
<v Speaker 9>it to a different venue. They try all types of

1379
01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:14.800
<v Speaker 9>different things, and we head into the trial, which I

1380
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:21.039
<v Speaker 9>would say to you there was a strong probability that

1381
01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:24.359
<v Speaker 9>there would have been a not guilty verdict if it

1382
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:32.199
<v Speaker 9>weren't for the outstanding witnesses that I had. The defense

1383
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.600
<v Speaker 9>did a really good job picking me apart, picking apart

1384
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:42.840
<v Speaker 9>my story. For example, when I was on the stand,

1385
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:49.039
<v Speaker 9>I walked through and I told my story on cross examination.

1386
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.359
<v Speaker 9>Up to that point, no one had asked me any

1387
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:56.960
<v Speaker 9>questions about the sex abuse charges, and again I knew

1388
01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:59.560
<v Speaker 9>they weren't going to I knew the prosecutor wasn't pursuing it.

1389
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:03.199
<v Speaker 9>And Steve had told me, he said, look, when you're

1390
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.520
<v Speaker 9>on the stand, if they don't ask, you don't mention it,

1391
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 9>you'll confuse the jury because if they're not going to

1392
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:08.800
<v Speaker 9>pursue it.

1393
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:09.640
<v Speaker 4>You cannot make them.

1394
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.520
<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm just stubborn, I guess because on Cross I

1395
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.560
<v Speaker 9>decide I'm going to talk about it. And I did,

1396
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.279
<v Speaker 9>and I was desperately wanting that charge because I wanted

1397
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.479
<v Speaker 9>as much time as possible. I just kept thinking, the

1398
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:25.720
<v Speaker 9>minute this guy gets out of prison, he is going

1399
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:27.560
<v Speaker 9>to come back for me. I need as much time

1400
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:34.199
<v Speaker 9>as I can get. So on Cross, they're saying to

1401
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:37.359
<v Speaker 9>me things like, you know you were so traumatized that

1402
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:41.279
<v Speaker 9>how can we really trust your opinion. You're not testifying

1403
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:45.119
<v Speaker 9>about what really happened, You're testifying about what you were

1404
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.800
<v Speaker 9>afraid might have happened. And they went on to say,

1405
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:51.840
<v Speaker 9>how did you get to the hospital that day? And

1406
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.359
<v Speaker 9>I said, well, I was taken by ambulance. And the

1407
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.159
<v Speaker 9>attorney said, well, why would the state trooper testify that

1408
01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:01.159
<v Speaker 9>you drove your own car. And I said, I have

1409
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:04.720
<v Speaker 9>no way of knowing why you would say that he

1410
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.359
<v Speaker 9>was there and actually got me out of the ambulance

1411
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:10.199
<v Speaker 9>to identify Morrison, So I don't know why he would

1412
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:13.600
<v Speaker 9>say that. And I looked at you know, the prosecutors

1413
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:15.359
<v Speaker 9>questioning me. His name was Keith, and I looked at

1414
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.399
<v Speaker 9>him and I said, I am certain that it's in

1415
01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.319
<v Speaker 9>my medical records that I was taken by ambulance.

1416
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:22.800
<v Speaker 4>So this is my clue.

1417
01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:25.640
<v Speaker 9>Like, show me the medical records so that we can

1418
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 9>take care of this problem. Because if I was on

1419
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:32.199
<v Speaker 9>the jury, I would think this poor woman, she was

1420
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:35.039
<v Speaker 9>so scared she doesn't even remember that she drove her

1421
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.239
<v Speaker 9>own car to the hospital, like it would completely discredit me. Well,

1422
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.359
<v Speaker 9>nobody cleaned it up when they got up to do redirect,

1423
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.479
<v Speaker 9>didn't ask me a thing about it. So when I

1424
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:50.279
<v Speaker 9>got off the stand, I thought I just lost the case.

1425
01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:55.359
<v Speaker 9>They're going to think that I was so that they're

1426
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:56.960
<v Speaker 9>not going to think I'm a liar. They're going to

1427
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.439
<v Speaker 9>think that I was scared and emotional and traumas and

1428
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:04.119
<v Speaker 9>because of that, I don't remember things accurately, and they're

1429
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:06.119
<v Speaker 9>certainly not going to put somebody in prison for a

1430
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:09.159
<v Speaker 9>life based on that, But it's right. It's at the

1431
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.439
<v Speaker 9>very bottom page one of the medical records brought in

1432
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:18.079
<v Speaker 9>by ambulance. I don't know how much easier I could

1433
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:19.359
<v Speaker 9>have made it for them to clean that up, but

1434
01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:24.039
<v Speaker 9>it didn't happen. But thankfully Jeff Ballard, who was on

1435
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:27.439
<v Speaker 9>the phone with me, he was the first witness. And

1436
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.359
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if your listeners are aware of this.

1437
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:33.560
<v Speaker 9>In Kentucky, at least, when you're a victim of a crime,

1438
01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:35.960
<v Speaker 9>you don't get to hear anything that happens in the trial.

1439
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.000
<v Speaker 9>You go in hearing your testimony and you leave and

1440
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.680
<v Speaker 9>you don't know anything else. So I had the entire

1441
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.439
<v Speaker 9>trial transcribed, which those are the transcripts I use in

1442
01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:50.319
<v Speaker 9>the book. And when I read Jeff's testimony, it was amazing.

1443
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:53.720
<v Speaker 9>The defense kept coming at him, trying to peg away

1444
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:56.119
<v Speaker 9>at him, and they said, well, if she was so scared,

1445
01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:57.680
<v Speaker 9>why didn't she ask you to call the police. And

1446
01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.000
<v Speaker 9>Jeff responded with, well, what was I going to say?

1447
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:00.199
<v Speaker 4>Say?

1448
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.199
<v Speaker 9>What I did say, which was she's somewhere in Bourbon

1449
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:05.800
<v Speaker 9>County and someone's trying to kill her. So he did

1450
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:12.119
<v Speaker 9>an outstanding job. Codell and Vicki Gibson, they were outstanding witnesses.

1451
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.479
<v Speaker 9>In fact, when Codell was on the stand, he's telling

1452
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.880
<v Speaker 9>the jury how violent it was that they saw us

1453
01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.199
<v Speaker 9>fighting in the car, because I was still trapped in

1454
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:23.640
<v Speaker 9>the car when they drove by, and he shows the

1455
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.319
<v Speaker 9>jury how every time I tried to get out, Morrison

1456
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:29.479
<v Speaker 9>would yank me back in, and he did it with

1457
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.319
<v Speaker 9>such enthusiasm that he ripped the shirt he was wearing

1458
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:34.520
<v Speaker 9>and you could hear it rip. And he stopped and

1459
01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:37.439
<v Speaker 9>he said, just like that. And so it was these

1460
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:45.079
<v Speaker 9>great witnesses that led to a jury. And again from

1461
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:47.399
<v Speaker 9>the stand, I looked at the jury and told them,

1462
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:52.399
<v Speaker 9>I said, you're sentencing both of us today. You're either

1463
01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.359
<v Speaker 9>going to sentence him to life or me, because the

1464
01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:57.840
<v Speaker 9>minute he gets out of jail, my life is over.

1465
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.640
<v Speaker 9>So when you go back to delivery, you have to

1466
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:05.840
<v Speaker 9>decide who you're going to give life to. And they

1467
01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:09.279
<v Speaker 9>did not convict them the sex abuse charge because they

1468
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:12.359
<v Speaker 9>had no reason too. They were given no evidence, wasn't

1469
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:15.439
<v Speaker 9>even it wasn't mentioned in opening, it wasn't mentioned in

1470
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:20.439
<v Speaker 9>the prosecution's closing. But they did convict on the kidnapping

1471
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 9>and because of his prior history they were able to

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01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:26.920
<v Speaker 9>give him life. And they did, and well, they recommend it,

1473
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.359
<v Speaker 9>it's just a recommendation. The judge always has final sentence

1474
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:34.479
<v Speaker 9>in so he showed up again in front of Judge

1475
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.119
<v Speaker 9>Johnson's p sentacing.

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01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Did you have a quess result?

1477
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>And the result?

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01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.760
<v Speaker 9>Well, I knew that the jury had recommended life, and

1479
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:46.560
<v Speaker 9>you would think I would walk in the room fairly

1480
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:49.479
<v Speaker 9>confident because he'd given him life before and the jury

1481
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.960
<v Speaker 9>recommended life. But this is just you know, when it's

1482
01:23:54.039 --> 01:24:01.039
<v Speaker 9>your when it's your life, there's no I waside once again.

1483
01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:04.760
<v Speaker 9>I stood in front of him and I shook and

1484
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:10.399
<v Speaker 9>I cried. And when we were before the judge walked

1485
01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.039
<v Speaker 9>in the room, they had us all walk up right

1486
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:18.239
<v Speaker 9>to the bench, and there were a couple of bailiffs,

1487
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:21.960
<v Speaker 9>the prosecutors that had been the lead, and the case

1488
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.680
<v Speaker 9>wasn't there, Gordie was there, not Keith, and everybody was

1489
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:32.880
<v Speaker 9>kind of mingling and chatting, and Morrison leans over and

1490
01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:38.960
<v Speaker 9>starts getting aggressive with me. So I just yelled at

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01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:40.880
<v Speaker 9>the top of my voice, are you all gonna let

1492
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.920
<v Speaker 9>him do this to me? Are you gonna let him

1493
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.359
<v Speaker 9>threaten me, are you gonna let him talk to me

1494
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:47.520
<v Speaker 9>like this? And honestly, I did it loud enough, hoping

1495
01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:49.359
<v Speaker 9>the judge would hear. I wanted the judge to know

1496
01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:53.520
<v Speaker 9>that even at this moment, he is still trying to

1497
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:57.039
<v Speaker 9>intimidate me and threaten me. So when the judge came

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01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:04.520
<v Speaker 9>in the room, you know, Morrison gave his plea, told

1499
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:08.319
<v Speaker 9>the judge how he'd found Jesus and was living for

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01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:15.199
<v Speaker 9>everybody else now, and I gave him my plea and

1501
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.520
<v Speaker 9>again told him that the only reason that I was

1502
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:21.760
<v Speaker 9>there to speak on my own behalf was because the

1503
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.399
<v Speaker 9>defendant had failed at his plan. His plan was to

1504
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:26.520
<v Speaker 9>kill me, and that that should have been my mother

1505
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:30.760
<v Speaker 9>standing there begging for a sentence, because I would be

1506
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.039
<v Speaker 9>dead if the defendant had gotten what he wanted, and

1507
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:35.079
<v Speaker 9>it was only because he failed that I was there.

1508
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:44.319
<v Speaker 9>And the judge listened and again was very detailed in

1509
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:49.239
<v Speaker 9>his sentence, and I asked him the prosecutor didn't, but

1510
01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:54.600
<v Speaker 9>I asked him if he could do anything to discourage

1511
01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:57.880
<v Speaker 9>the pro board from giving him any type of relief,

1512
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.800
<v Speaker 9>that that would obviously mean the world to me. And

1513
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.479
<v Speaker 9>I thanked him for letting me speak and told him

1514
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.720
<v Speaker 9>that he was it's up to him that he was

1515
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:13.159
<v Speaker 9>going to give me my life back, or there would

1516
01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.920
<v Speaker 9>be a date in tom certain that things would be

1517
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:16.560
<v Speaker 9>over for me.

1518
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:18.560
<v Speaker 4>And he again.

1519
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:21.920
<v Speaker 9>He meant, you know, at this point he'd heard the trial,

1520
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:24.960
<v Speaker 9>so he knew the evidence, and he knew the witness' testimony,

1521
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:29.920
<v Speaker 9>and even the expert that the defense brought in spoke

1522
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:35.039
<v Speaker 9>that the defendant was manipulative and calculating. And so he

1523
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:39.560
<v Speaker 9>again sendenced him to life and said that he found

1524
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.720
<v Speaker 9>him to be a threat to society and there weren't

1525
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.600
<v Speaker 9>going to be any more victims after me, and he

1526
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:49.600
<v Speaker 9>send them to life. And again I've melted.

1527
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:55.399
<v Speaker 4>Down in the webt And two years later his appeal was.

1528
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.359
<v Speaker 9>Exhausted with the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court, thankfully

1529
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:01.439
<v Speaker 9>this time upheld it. And so I have till March

1530
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:02.680
<v Speaker 9>of twenty twenty six to.

1531
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:06.600
<v Speaker 4>Not have to look over my shoulder.

1532
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:15.439
<v Speaker 2>What happened January thirtieth, two thousand and eight, Bourbon County.

1533
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:21.119
<v Speaker 2>You tell us what your aspirations were, what happened in that.

1534
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:25.560
<v Speaker 9>Regard January thirtieth of two thousand and.

1535
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Eight, eighteen pardon me, oh, okay, that's.

1536
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:39.039
<v Speaker 9>Okay, well, I drove to Frankfurt and filed papers to

1537
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:45.000
<v Speaker 9>run for the Commonwealth Attorney's office. The office that prosecuted

1538
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.399
<v Speaker 9>my case is were not called district attorneys in Kentucky.

1539
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:52.720
<v Speaker 9>It's the Commonwealth attorney, right and these I ran against

1540
01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:56.560
<v Speaker 9>the men that prosecuted my case. So I filed to

1541
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:59.319
<v Speaker 9>run against them. I called them and said, I appreciate

1542
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:02.079
<v Speaker 9>the things that you did do, but as you know,

1543
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:05.520
<v Speaker 9>I was horrified by the longest of things that weren't done,

1544
01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:11.279
<v Speaker 9>and I would I want to do better. I don't

1545
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:15.920
<v Speaker 9>want anybody to have to feel the fear and desperation

1546
01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:21.079
<v Speaker 9>that I felt for so long. And before I ran,

1547
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:23.479
<v Speaker 9>I was. I went to the courthouse and read my

1548
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:28.399
<v Speaker 9>file and I get early on the case. Judge Johnson

1549
01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:31.600
<v Speaker 9>upped Morrison's bond.

1550
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:35.520
<v Speaker 4>To a million dollars full cash. Nobody ever told me.

1551
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:40.640
<v Speaker 9>I missed years of sleep thinking he could get out

1552
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:44.319
<v Speaker 9>any day. And if I had known that, I would

1553
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:46.399
<v Speaker 9>have I would have never planned to kill him.

1554
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:47.279
<v Speaker 4>I didn't.

1555
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.399
<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't think I had to, But just little things

1556
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:52.840
<v Speaker 9>like that, they just weren't attended to. So I filed

1557
01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:58.319
<v Speaker 9>the rhyme I campaigned. The campaign was rough because of

1558
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.399
<v Speaker 9>the very people that you know were supposed to have

1559
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.399
<v Speaker 9>prosecuted my case attacked me and they said I was

1560
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:07.079
<v Speaker 9>lying about this the case. So I posted the Supreme

1561
01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:09.880
<v Speaker 9>Court ruling and said, read it for yourself, you know,

1562
01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:16.239
<v Speaker 9>read it for yourself. And I won a significant margin.

1563
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:19.279
<v Speaker 9>And since that time, I've been running the office and

1564
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:21.359
<v Speaker 9>we do things very differently. I'm very proud of what

1565
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.680
<v Speaker 9>we do. It's very different for crime victims around here now.

1566
01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:32.640
<v Speaker 9>And what's very interesting, November eighth is the day so

1567
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:36.680
<v Speaker 9>I won my election in November twenty eighteen. A few

1568
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:40.159
<v Speaker 9>days after November eighth, I called Judge Johnson.

1569
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:41.520
<v Speaker 4>I keep in mind, I.

1570
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.000
<v Speaker 9>Have been in all of this man because he was

1571
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.520
<v Speaker 9>an excellent judge, and I avoided him, had spent ten

1572
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:54.439
<v Speaker 9>minutes around him all these years. But he had been

1573
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:56.319
<v Speaker 9>our circuit judge for twelve years and then he moved

1574
01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:58.600
<v Speaker 9>up to the Court of Appeals for two years, and

1575
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:02.239
<v Speaker 9>his election and they was the same as mine. But

1576
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 9>he lost his Court of Appeals campaign. That wasn't just

1577
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:09.399
<v Speaker 9>a completely different ballgame. That was eleven counties as opposed

1578
01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:14.000
<v Speaker 9>to three. And I hated to see him not on

1579
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:17.720
<v Speaker 9>the bench anymore because he is truly one of the

1580
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:24.880
<v Speaker 9>best judges we've ever had around here. So I called

1581
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:31.359
<v Speaker 9>there's a prosecutor named Ray Larson. He's retired now that

1582
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.600
<v Speaker 9>he prosecuted for I think more than forty years. He

1583
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:39.479
<v Speaker 9>created victim's advocacy here in Kentucky. He was given an

1584
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.960
<v Speaker 9>award by the White House. He and Gale Wit are

1585
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:45.800
<v Speaker 9>just champions for victims. So he had been a mentor

1586
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.239
<v Speaker 9>to me through the campaign. So I called him November

1587
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:50.920
<v Speaker 9>eight and I said, what do you think if I

1588
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:53.840
<v Speaker 9>called Judge Johnson and asked him to come work with me.

1589
01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:59.159
<v Speaker 9>He said, well, if you can get him, that would

1590
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:03.159
<v Speaker 9>be amazing, like because obviously he's going to bring gravitas

1591
01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.199
<v Speaker 9>to the office, a wealth of knowledge and history. And

1592
01:31:07.279 --> 01:31:09.399
<v Speaker 9>I thought, I don't have anything to pay him. He's

1593
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:11.680
<v Speaker 9>being courted by all these big firms because they all

1594
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:13.880
<v Speaker 9>want this Court of Appeals judge on their letterhead. So

1595
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:18.840
<v Speaker 9>I was very nervous when I called him, and I

1596
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:21.560
<v Speaker 9>was talking fast and giving them all these reasons why

1597
01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.760
<v Speaker 9>be so great for community service?

1598
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 4>And no, he's not gonna get paid anything, but wouldn't

1599
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:30.079
<v Speaker 4>that feel great to work for the community.

1600
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.000
<v Speaker 9>And he said he'd consider it, and a few days

1601
01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:35.000
<v Speaker 9>later he called me back and said he'd take the job.

1602
01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:41.119
<v Speaker 9>Then we started working together in December of eighteen and

1603
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:46.199
<v Speaker 9>the best part of the story is November eighth of

1604
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:52.319
<v Speaker 9>twenty nineteen, exactly a year later he proposed and we

1605
01:31:52.439 --> 01:31:56.439
<v Speaker 9>are now engaged. So I get to marry.

1606
01:31:58.079 --> 01:31:58.439
<v Speaker 4>My hero.

1607
01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:03.199
<v Speaker 2>That's incredible, incredible story.

1608
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.880
<v Speaker 9>Absolutely you.

1609
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Before I let you go, I wanted to mention the

1610
01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:18.319
<v Speaker 2>website www own your moment dot org that may help

1611
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.159
<v Speaker 2>others that you have it's important to include in your

1612
01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>book and also real true stories. There's a film and

1613
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:29.359
<v Speaker 2>TV development company that has a little film clip online.

1614
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Tell us a little bit about if you have a

1615
01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>website for this book, or how people might be able

1616
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:41.279
<v Speaker 2>to contact you, your Facebook page, do any of that?

1617
01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Tell us how they might contact you or find more

1618
01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:45.399
<v Speaker 2>about this book.

1619
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.960
<v Speaker 9>There is you can It's on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.

1620
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:55.960
<v Speaker 9>And there's a video that a professional film company made

1621
01:32:56.039 --> 01:33:02.560
<v Speaker 9>for me and they're sharing used author page on Facebook

1622
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.640
<v Speaker 9>and it's got the video with a fifty second video

1623
01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:10.640
<v Speaker 9>it's my actual nine to one one calls. It's very

1624
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.000
<v Speaker 9>compelling that they can find out more about me on

1625
01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:18.760
<v Speaker 9>Facebook and on your Moment is really for people crime victims.

1626
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:22.079
<v Speaker 9>And one of the best things I ever did was

1627
01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:26.479
<v Speaker 9>read Gavin de Becker's book, The Gift of Fear. Everybody

1628
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.239
<v Speaker 9>should read that book. I have given out over one

1629
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:35.399
<v Speaker 9>hundred copies, and I mentioned his book on my website,

1630
01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:38.119
<v Speaker 9>and on the site, I go back through and I

1631
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:40.920
<v Speaker 9>walk there. If you read it, I walk you through

1632
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:44.319
<v Speaker 9>the story of the second I walked out my office

1633
01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:47.880
<v Speaker 9>door until I was at the hospital, all the clues

1634
01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:50.760
<v Speaker 9>that Morrison gazed me that he was going to hurt

1635
01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.720
<v Speaker 9>me that I didn't see. And after I read Gavin

1636
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.199
<v Speaker 9>de Becker's book The Gift of Fear, he teaches you,

1637
01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.920
<v Speaker 9>here are these indications that you're not safe, trust your

1638
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:02.359
<v Speaker 9>got listen to them, and here are things you can identify.

1639
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:05.000
<v Speaker 9>So I break that down in my story with the

1640
01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:09.239
<v Speaker 9>hope that people will read that and if they're in

1641
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.199
<v Speaker 9>a situation like mine, they don't end up out on

1642
01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 9>an abandoned farm with a knife in their throat, but

1643
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:17.840
<v Speaker 9>they see it faster and they're able to stay safer earlier.

1644
01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, so I sorry, go ahead.

1645
01:34:24.520 --> 01:34:28.960
<v Speaker 9>I just would strongly recommend that he does an outstanding

1646
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:31.439
<v Speaker 9>job teaching you what to look for. And then I

1647
01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:35.319
<v Speaker 9>try to break it down and a more simplified version

1648
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:37.439
<v Speaker 9>using my story as an example.

1649
01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, and it's an incredible story. Indeed, thank you very much, Sharon.

1650
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Kidnapped by a client, the incredible two story of an

1651
01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:50.199
<v Speaker 2>attorney's fight for justice, Sharon Muse, and I want to

1652
01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:55.800
<v Speaker 2>thank very much former Judge Rob Johnson had technical problems

1653
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>with his phone line, but thank you very much for

1654
01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Rob Johnson being available for this interview. Thank you very much,

1655
01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Sharon Muse for you kidnapped by a climate. You have

1656
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>a great night.

1657
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:09.119
<v Speaker 9>Good night, yes, sir, thank you, good bye,