Speaker 1: Made a decision.
Speaker 2: Pay sunny Sun yet on I had a vision night.
What's up everybody? Welcome to for crying out loud to Friday,
Happy Friday. Did they find Nancy Guthrie? Yet? No, they didn't.
Where is she? Where's that lady? They did?
Speaker 1: Okay, we did, just get says Yeah, Nancy Guthrie's family
members cleared as suspects in her disappearance. So nobody in
the family at this point, no, no in laws, no nothing.
Speaker 2: They're all cleared. Thank god. Okay, that's good news. We're
recording this on Monday. You guys are hearing this on Friday,
on Friday. Yeah, so hopefully we found her by No
news about the glove. Well, I found out that the
the glove that they found matched the DNA to inside
the house. Did I? I guess here's a thing too hard.
Can we talk about Harvey Loan for a second?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: What is with him? Like every hour on the hour,
he's like I got another note and this is what
the FBI say. They are keenly, keenly interested in this
new note. The FBI. I mean, if you have seen
him like he isn't he trying to buy He's like
made an offer on the letters or something. I think
somebody was saying, why don't you wasn't TMZ just pay
that bitcoin just to see if this person knows where
this where Nancy is?
Speaker 1: That is fake.
Speaker 2: It's no, I come on, there's no. First of all,
I was watching somebody else talk about the statistics of
kidnapping an elderly woman in their eighties is like zero
zero point one. It's like nothing. Who kidnaps a woman
in her eighties? But again, they didn't take anything from
the house, so she must have been kidnapped. There's blood
of hers on the front porch. What what happened?
Speaker 1: Why did they think somebody knew? I mean, I'm not
breaking any news, but I think somebody knew that Savannah
Guthrie was the daughter of this woman, and they're like, oh,
this is like a little gold mine right here in.
Speaker 2: My little neighborhood. Yeah, in Arizona, right, it's not like
it's Beverly Hills. So then you think, but then why
not reach out to the family with the ransom? Why
are you going to these media stations? Yeah, I have
That's what I don't know. I don't understand when okay,
when I kidnapped somebody, but it was all so long, right, Yeah,
we're different, Like they couldn't catch the eighties, Yes, the
total eighties.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even google stuff right when DNA.
Speaker 2: I was old school, Like.
Speaker 1: I got a piece of paper, I got a magazine,
right letters, and I formed a message, you know, and
then we did the deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so sent it straight to the family, right,
is that how you? And also what were you wearing
those fat gloves too? Because those gloves if you're gonna
go rob a place, why are you wearing these fat gloves?
You can't How are you going to open the drawers
and go through jewelry with these fat ass gloves?
Speaker 1: But they didn't take anything, so but they didn't trying
to hide their fingers there, so.
Speaker 2: They so then they did just take her.
Speaker 1: But then why wouldn't you just were like latex gloves
exactly like my smoking gloves grip right, yeah, yes, right,
So when I do my kidnapping, Yes, when I do
my kidnapping, I can I get stressed so I can
have a smoke right after and have to change my gloves.
I got my smoking gloves on, right, latex ones. So
we just feels so bad because Savannah got three like,
oh hot up. I can't even I can't. I can't
imagine just having to be a public person and having
something like I can't think of a time this has happened.
I know it's hidnappings of like famous people are celebrities kids, right,
it hasn't that honestly hasn't been since like the eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh it went out of style. I mean it was
what Frank Sinatra's son was kidnapped. I think. For that's
about I don't know. I can't even think of anything else.
It's just it's so And also why why did the
press conference stop? Why aren't they they're asking for the
help of the of the public, but then no any
press conferences for like two I mean a week or
two ago. It's they just stopped. And then that sheriff
goes to the basketball game and then the only time
he comes out is to defend himself, Like I have
no problem with the FBI, okay, but you come out
and talk about that, But why not talk about what's
going on in the case, like inform us, you want
us to help, you want our help, Why aren't you
coming out and giving us something. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: It's really weird, and it it's sadly. It makes me
wonder if she's not alive anymore and hasn't been in
a long time. And that's why they couldn't try to
enforce the ransom because they'd have to yeah, proof of life, right,
So once that passed, maybe they were just like, shit,
what do we do with her?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I think they didn't. They didn't bargain for the fact
that she was going to need medication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so, probably.
Speaker 1: Don't kidnap somebody and go by the way, are you
on any messages that you need?
Speaker 2: What medical?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Which are they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me go get is there a local pharmacy
that we could pick up a refill? Or do you
have enough to get you to This should be done
in like a couple of days.
Speaker 2: We'll wrap it up right, right. But they probably were like,
oh no, yeah, it's just so bizarre, the whole thing.
I just I mean, I pray for her, I helped
they find her. Savannah breaks my heart. Then the other
video in this kind of old news, but that other
video where the three of them and she said, you know,
we hear you, and we want to bring you. We
want to bring my our mom home to celebrate. To me,
I mean, what did you think when you heard that?
I felt like she was saying, we know she's gone,
but we want her to celebrate her life. Like, why
would you use the word to celebrate? I heard it
that way too, That's how I heard it, sadly. And
then they then they stopped doing their videos until Savannah
did her little one over the weekend, but then they
haven't come out with that. Do you think that she
knows that her mom's gone? I do you think she
still has hope? I think she might know, because why
they haven't How are they communicating with the ransom people
except for on these videos? But they haven't since that video,
there haven't hasn't been any other videos of like and
we want to talk to one was fake with a
hoax the first the first ransom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so do they think there is are any of
these ransoms being taken seriously?
Speaker 2: Yes? According to Harvey Levin, okay tell me yes. Sheriff
Levin is on the case and he said that they
are keenly interested in these these ransom notes. They're well crafted.
Whoever wrote it is you know you could tell is
pretty intelligent, and they're flattering. They're just trying to try
to flatter the guy. Yeah, he's like, yeah, my writing
class is really paid off because you know, a lot
of these murders.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, a little bit later, we're going
to talk about this other thing.
Speaker 2: We watched documentary.
Speaker 1: Oh every time there's some kind of killer, and you
ever notice that the detectives are always like, he thinks
he's smarter than everybody. Yes, So maybe Harvey Levin is
just playing into that, right, Like you sound really this
person's very intelligent. Yeah, you know what I mean, So
hoping that they'll slip up right, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: People think I'm really smart. That's a good point. So
they got the ransom letters, but then they also got
this one person that's saying, we I know where she
is and if you pay me the bitcoin i'll give you,
I'll let you know where she is. And I don't
know if they're taking that one that series, I don't know.
I don't know. Chech tmz every hour on the hour,
he's always coming out with a new thing, Harvey. You know,
like a month or two ago, Cecily and I started
talking about this did you do you remember when the
SNL writer said that his sister had disappeared. The sister
is missing.
Speaker 1: Her name is Christina Downer, uh huh, and they were like,
she doesn't have mental health issues. She didn't just like
wander away. She's not on drugs. I think. So this
girl disappeared, and it's so weird because so Nancy Guthrie
is getting so much press attention, and this story got
like some attention.
Speaker 2: Everybody had kind of heard about it.
Speaker 1: Literally if you google it, there's like not one single
update in over a month.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
Speaker 1: And this girl's not found, still not found.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean if you look at the missing
Person's website, Nancy Guthrie's up there now, her face is,
and there's so many people that went just go missing.
It's really crazy. It's kind of scary. It just like
just to disappear. I mean, I don't I hope this
that our case doesn't go cold, but I mean I
feel like people are fatigued already, you know, because they're
not getting any answers. It's just all baffling.
Speaker 1: I remember years ago, I mean we're talking like twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago, when you did your kidnapping. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about this
disappearance that was like so crazy, you know. It was
like whatever, this couple had been married for you know,
thirty years, forty years, and then one day like the
guy is just whatever, the guy or the woman whatever missing.
Nobody can find them. They there's no money trail, there's
no there's no ransom note, there's no like and they're like,
oh my god, did this person suddenly like have get
a concussion and lose their memory? Like and it was
such a crazy story. And I remember when I'm when
I met John and he one of his really good friends.
This woman named Annie worked at Unsolved Mysteries, and I
was like, there's a couple of unsolved mysteries that have
always like stood out in my mind.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there's this one. Do you remember
this case?
Speaker 1: And it was a missing person and the guy he
just disappeared and there were a couple of sightings though
that people thought they saw him, but then like that
was it disappeared without a trace. And she was like,
oh yeah, they found that guy. Uh oh. He said
most of these people wanted to go missing, o missing,
like uh left, right right, and then that reminded me
obviously that's not the case with this. There was blood there.
But I'm just saying, it's so interesting when you're like,
that's so crazy. Yeah they're missing, and it's like, no,
they didn't.
Speaker 2: Want to be fake, didn't want it. Didn't that happen
to Olivia John?
Speaker 1: Yes, husband fucking faked his own death. Yeah, and then
he was found Like imagine faking your own death to
get away from the beauty A full talent. It's Olivia
Newton John.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Like, just get a divorce right right? Right?
What I know, it's bizarre. They should think we need
to do with this. Somebody needs to do a documentary
on that. Yes, I watch the shit out here. Yeah,
me too. What happened to mister Olivia Newton John? Yes,
faked his death?
Speaker 1: Yes, and she never really talked about it very much
because then they found him years later?
Speaker 2: Right right? Imagine how you feel like your husband fakes
his own death just to get away from you. So
embarrassing you're like, does my breath smell? Like what's going on? Wow?
Olivia Newton John too, Like, come on, I know, let's
get a divorce. Yes, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't know.
I just it was so weird too, because we recorded
our podcast last two Mondays ago. Yeah, and then as
soon as I left, I started seeing all these alerts
that Nancy Guthrie was missing.
Speaker 1: You posted a thing and you were like, Okay, step
and I are going to find her. Like I guess
it's up to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to go, like, let's go people. Yeah,
I feel like if we went down there in our
f col ers, you know, Gabby and Missy with their
one flip flop and everybody, I feel like we would
be able to find her. We'd spread out, you know,
have like a search team. That's another thing. Why know,
like vigils or anything, or like search parties or cree.
Speaker 1: That's so weird.
Speaker 2: Why why? I don't know. And also Savannah she's this
is like out of a movie. But she's like the
morning show host, She the Today Show? Why is she
not like if your mom's missing. I don't know. Maybe
they're telling her not to, but when't you want to
talk about it on television? I don't know. Or maybe
she's too she's probably.
Speaker 1: Too fucked up.
Speaker 2: She's too. I've seen her in these videos with her.
Speaker 1: She just looks so tired, like, I mean, are you
I mean, I guess she could go on the Today
Show and talk about it, but maybe she just can't get.
Speaker 2: Down without thee It is just making just like yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's really crazy out. Yeah. Well, we're recording this on Monday.
Hopefully by the time you hear this, they found her
or we found something, They have a suspect something. Yeah, yeah, crazy.
What else did we want to talk about? So? You
told me to watch that documentary the what was it called?
Speaker 1: The okay, the Handsome Devil, Charming Killer. Yeah, okay, there's
a couple of documentaries I told you to watch, Yes,
did you so? Which one did you like better?
Speaker 2: I watched The Handsome Devil one throughout. I watched all
of that. The Lucy let Be I watched almost all
of it, but fell asleep at the end and then
I forgot about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So let's just talk about that one really quick. Yeah,
because I had some thoughts about it. Tell me, so,
how can I put this? Because we had some opinions
about that woman who either jumped or that everybody said
was sex trafficked right on the boat of the ship
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about a documentary on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these Netflix docks, they're pretty good. Yeah, and they
just keep turning them out.
Speaker 2: What's it called the lucy let Be Yeah, the lucy
let Be Story, okay, or lucy let Be Trial, I
don't know, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It's lucy let Be l E T B Y. So
this was out of England. She was a young nurse
and the story is basically that she got arrested because
she was a nicku nurse and these babies kept dying, right,
and they looked into it and they kind of put
it together and the common thread through every All of
a sudden, this hospital started having these babies die, first one,
then another one, then another one, and then like bunch
of babies. I have an article about it which I
can read.
Speaker 2: You, but it's like twenty three or something like that
was a bunch.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was that many, but maybe
more like thirteen, I don't know. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I'm gonna read I'm just gonna read you
some of that tastle. I think it's kind of helpful
and it lays it out. But the thing is, this
documentary brought up why, like why she might have not
gotten a fair trial because spoiler alert, she's in jail.
She is, yes, oh I miss that she was found
guilty of killing these babies.
Speaker 2: Okay, And but you know.
Speaker 1: You watch these documentaries and you're like, oh, that's like interesting.
It had a little flavor of I am a killer
or whatever that yeah, show us that I make you
watch where you hear one side and you're like, oh
my god, she's totally guilty. Then like more than halfway
through it, they hear the difference, like here's how, but
here's the defense, and here's how. This witness was maybe
not right, and this was like right, not the truth,
and then you're like, oh, hold on, maybe she didn't
get a fair trial. That did not happen for me.
I was like, no, she's still guilty. And now I've
said it. I said it on our Facebook page and
people were like, I don't agree. I think she's innocent.
A lot of people think she's innocent, and I think
they have some explaining to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's her motives though?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think her motive one hundred percent is
that kind of Munchausen's. I think she's super attention seeking.
Speaker 2: There were so here. I'm going to read you this story, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: The neonatal nurse Lucy let Bee became notorious in the
UK when she was found guilty of doing the unthinkable
twenty twenty three, So this is only a couple of
years ago. Let Be was convicted of the murder of
seven babies and the attempted murder of an additional sixth infants.
Speaker 2: Sheesus. A seventh charge for attempted.
Speaker 1: Murder came later, so that would have been like fourteen,
so wow, murder of seven attempted murder of seven. It
made her one of the most prolific female serial killers
in the UK. But in new Netflix documentary The Investigation
of Lucy let Be seeks to shed new light on
the trial and challenge our understanding of let Be, suggesting
she may not be guilty at all.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you want to hear all
this part, but.
Speaker 1: Basically they talk about where she went to school, blah
blah blah.
Speaker 2: She's young too, like she's living with her parents, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but you remember at the beginning of the documentary,
she's weird and her affect is totally off. Remember they
come to arrest her and she's like, can.
Speaker 2: I say goodbye to Mike? Yes, Yes, something's fucking weird
about it. Yeah. And when they interview, when they're interviewing
her and they're going over everything, she'd the way she answers,
she's very It's I was like, is she on drugs
or something? Because she's just very flat. Yes, no emotion
at all.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, if you did not do this, you would
be I'm sorry, but I've watched enough true crime to
know that if you're being falsely accused of something. You're like,
oh my god, of course I didn't do this.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in the in June of twenty fifteen, something
strange was going on. Babies were mysteriously dying at the
Countess of Chester Hospital. One of the babies was named Zoe,
and then they che This.
Speaker 2: Is also weird with the documentary.
Speaker 1: They changed names and then they used AI to make
the person to anonymize.
Speaker 2: That's right. I saw that seeing.
Speaker 1: This person and you're like, that's fake. They're a computer
GM Why why did they do that? So to keep
person who's baby died with they keep them anonymous.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was it. Yeah, that was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: The mother had an extremely challenging birth and Zoe was
taken to intensive care and put in an incubator. She
was responding well as expected, but suddenly she collapsed. They
also they always this.
Speaker 2: Is like a British thing. They call it collapse grass crashing.
Didn't they call it peop would call it crashing. They
call it collapse.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, which, of course for US Americans we think
of somebody collapsing as they're just walking along and then
they fall to the ground. Obviously a baby in the
nick you.
Speaker 2: They mean like.
Speaker 1: It's heart stops, it codes, you know. Okay, So suddenly
she collapsed and the doctors were unable to save her,
and she died on June twenty second. Three other babies
died on June eighth, fourteenth, and twenty second. Keep in mind,
this is a very this is a very small hospital, right,
so there are not a lot of babies in the
nick you at a time, not some big hospital. So
from what I gathered watching the documentary, it was pretty
fucking weird that like this many babies were dying in
a small Okay, like one baby dying would be oh no,
but like seven is crazy, right, So by okay, three
other babies died. By February twenty sixteen, the death toll
had risen to nine. By the following June, it was thirteen.
In the twenty one years I'd been a consultant, I'd
never seen anything like this before, recalls Gibbs. An investigation
was opened and a pattern emerged. Let Be was the
only nurse on duty for every suspicious death in the
neonatal unit, every single one. This one nurse, she was
the person on She is the only person who was
there when every single death they had happened. Now, I
will tell you later. The defense that's supposed to make
us all go oh was that she was such an
amazing nurse that they only gave her.
Speaker 2: The sickest babies.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, I don't think that that's true, having had
the experience of having two babies in the neck, you
one for a full month, right, This is not There
wasn't a special nurse that was like only on the
worst cases. And maybe somebody wants to argue with me
about that, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But she was wouldn't have been alone anyway.
Speaker 1: Like, it just doesn't really makes sense to go, well,
that's the only reason all. First of all, that many
deaths is very unusual, even if they were very sick babies, right,
even very sick babies don't just all die. Yeah, this
person's watch, Okay, so that's that sort of bugs me.
Speaker 2: Okay. The manager of.
Speaker 1: The unit was sure of let Be's competence, but eventually
let Be was removed from the night shift and brought
onto the day shift. The collapses and deaths increased significantly
during the night like the night shifts, right, but then
started to occur during the day. The documentary alleges. On
July third, twenty eighteen, let Be was arrested. They searched
her home and they found concerning materials, including a box
of confidential handover sheets.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's her handover sheet.
Speaker 1: Means it's all the records of what happened, like if
you're changing shifts, here's all the records.
Speaker 2: Here's what's going on with these babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she stole all of these documents and took
them home of the cases where these babies had died.
Speaker 2: Okay, why would you do that?
Speaker 1: I mean, good luck trying to explain that away, and
nobody ever does. So it's like, okay, you think that
she's innocent, but based on fucking nothing. I'm sorry, I'm
dropping a lot of f bombs today. Okay, so listen
to this. Let Be had over two hundred and fifty
of them, arranged them in chronological order. When questioned by
the police, she claimed that she brought them home by accident.
Speaker 2: Oh, police, they were in her closet up on a shelf. Right,
I think so, Yeah, she brought home by accident.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 2: She's not supposed to have them. Right.
Speaker 1: Then there was also claims that she was making conversation
and like joking around and trying to get like attention
from another and this other doctor and going like, oh
my god, do you think it's something I did? And
the doctor was like no, You're amazing, like and the
reaction was off there and really trying to get attention.
I gotta watch like the rest baby's dying and like yeah.
So after after being let out on bail on two
previous occasions, on November tenth, twenty twenty, let Be was
arrested for a third time. Twenty four hours later. She
was charged with eight counts of murder and ten counts
of attempted murder. Okay, so, prosecution detailed some of the
ways Lucy would harm the children. They claimed she removed
airway tubes or would overfeed to inflate the stomach, thereby
restricting breathing. Prosecution said she was creative in her methodology
and changed things so as not to get caught.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 1: One of the things was that she gave a baby,
or more than one baby, insulin, right you've seen dateline, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and for no reason the baby did not need insulin, right,
So hello, I mean right, there. Yeah, sorry, Yeah, she's
in charge of these babies. Okay, So with baby Zoe,
there was a strange skin discoloration that doctors had not
seen before. There was also air found in a blood
vessel in the body and air embolism. According to the
medical examiner doctor Evans, Zoe's deterioration was caused by a
deliberate injection of air into the intravenous system. Okay, so
basically I'm gonna skip a little bit.
Speaker 2: So these people are saying that she's innocent.
Speaker 1: People are trying to her and she's innocent. Yeah, how
long is she go to jail for She's for life
jail now, Yeah, I don't I don't know. But okay,
So basically this says this, this is let be would
also message her colleagues about the deaths and would look
up the parents of the deceased babies on Facebook. They
say that this evidence was all circumstantial.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's but bell, Hello, that's bizarre.
Speaker 1: Then one of the things they tried to say was
that maybe, you know, some of the other nurses just
didn't like her or they were like jealous of her
for being such a good nurse. So they tried to
get her, like set her up. Do you really think nick,
you nurses would just kill a bunch of babies and
go like, let's pin it on.
Speaker 2: Let's be we don't really like her.
Speaker 1: Insane insane not happen. Two of the babies let Be
was accused of harming were given insulin when they did
not need it, which is extremely dangerous. This was, according
to the medical examiner, the smoking gun to the rest
of the case. But I'm just saying that that's not
the only thing. Now, there's a lot of other there's
a lot of reasons. So she was found guilty, and
then they're saying, oh, and then they found all these
papers that she wrote, or she wrote a series of
post it notes scribbled with phrases like I killed them,
I'm evil, I did this, I saw that. They say
the evidence, though largely circumstantial, was overwhelming. So basically they're
saying about that that it's because she saw a therapist
and the therapist was like, write down your feelings. And
then she'd also written stuff like I'm being discriminated against,
or like right.
Speaker 2: Did she feel like she was being left out of
the other with the other nurses, and things like that,
like she felt that the other nurses weren't like welcoming
her at first, and she first started there, and she's
got a little issues. She's a little kooky.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I really think it's like a Munchausen thing.
She thought she was going to get attention, right having
these babies die, like from other doctors, from like she
was going to feel important, you know, right, that's what
I think happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but wow.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I didn't even print out every single thing,
but basically they said that one of the people. Okay,
let's see, there was an article that casts doubt on
the court's guilty verdict. Aviv's reporting found that the issue
may not lie with let Be, but with the hospital itself.
Because let Be was more qualified than most nurses, she
was given the sickest babies. It would be odd if
she wasn't there when something went wrong. He notes how
the prosecution kept pushing the idea that the babies stopped
dying when let Be was taking off the unit. But
when let Be was taken off the unit, McDonald explains,
it was downgraded, meaning it didn't receive as many seriously
ill babies. Oh okay, oh okay. So suddenly no babies
are dying because like, oh, but they didn't get sensic babies.
Speaker 2: There anymore, right, right, give me a break. That good
try with that defense. Yeah, I mean what else, how
are you going to defend her? I mean, it just
seems like a lot of evidence is against her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, this evidence that's for her being innocent is basically
like one of the experts saying that his expertise was
misinterpreted and that the like one of the cause of
death could have been this other thing, and maybe the
baby didn't die, like it wasn't murdered. But I still
think you need to explain why so many babies died
of all natural causes. I guess according to this guy
who's like, sorry, I take back my Yes, they know
you were going to use it against her, and I think.
Speaker 2: She could this could be exculpatory, right instead of whatever,
the opposite of exculpatory. Yeah, yeah, so I think she's guilty.
She is. Yeah. I mean I was watching it and
then they started the defense theories and then I was
like oh, and then I fell asleep, and then Netflix
took it away.
Speaker 1: Because because it wasn't that convincing, right, So it didn't
keep you up like wait a minute, yeah, right, like
I don't even understand what they're talking about. Yeah, but yeah,
she's I came away with it going like I mean
she's she's guilty. I mean maybe she didn't get a
fair trial, and maybe there was some maybe there wasn't
enough like no. But one of the people was like,
well it was unfair because no one saw her do it.
Oh that guys, well because she was good at it, right,
and she's smart.
Speaker 2: And then they found things with the babies that went wrong,
like the insolent and said, well who gave the insolent
to those babies?
Speaker 1: Well, they couldn't prove it was her, luh Okay, So
I mean I don't know who else would it have been.
She was with there for every single baby, and she
had all the freakin' records of all these babies that died.
Speaker 2: That's crazy at her house. Yeah, that's that's stolen. Yeah,
because when you're doing, when you have that disease, where
you want that attention. It's like a trophy. Like she
brings it home, she wants to read like read every yeah,
revisit it. Yeah, it's crazy, so gross, really bad.
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I loved this movie song Sung Blue. My mother used
to sing that song, she used to say when I
was watching it, I it brought me back to my childhood.
She loved Neil Diamond. I didn't realize but she would
sing a lot of these, but she sang it song
song Blue. That's I thought that's what it was for
like most of it until I got and it became
an adult. But it's a true story and it's really sad.
Speaker 1: So your sister in law told you it was gonna
be sad, right, isn't that he Susan.
Speaker 2: Saw, oh, oh yeah, yeah. And she's like, you're gonna
because I like Neil diamond songs. And she's like, you're
gonna like it. She goes, but I didn't expect it
to be sad. But it is based on a true story,
and after I watched it, I watched the real documentary
of what the movie was based on. Oh yes, so
I watched the real bolted thunder and light thunder and lightning,
lightning and thunder. Yes, the real character. And I saw
the footage of when they went on Pearl Jam and
Eddie Vetter was singing on stage. I mean it was
it's it's a beautiful love story, but it's really a
sad story. And the ship that they kept happening to them.
I mean, I don't want to ruin it, but it's
a story of this. You know this this he's like
a mechanic. He was an alcoholic. He's he was a
ve Vietnam vet recovering alcoholic, working odd jobs like a mechanic.
But his dream he would do at night, would play
these clubs and as you know, impersonators or whatever. I
think he wanted to do his own music. But then
he met this woman, this beautiful like she had a
beautiful voice by Kate Hudson. Played by Kate Hudson, who
reminds me of Melissa in that movie My friend Melissa,
because she's from Milwaukee too. She kind of looks like her. Anyway,
they they meet and they become this cover band of
Neil Diamond and they're singing all these neil and it's
just it's such a beautiful story. It's it's a beautiful
love story. It but then there's a lot of tragic
things that happen, and it did happen. And when I
watched documentary, they had this the sun was following him
around with the camquarder so he would capture them at home,
And a lot of the stuff you've seen in the
movie did happen at their home, like the two car crashes.
Two car crashes member the car remember she.
Speaker 1: Oh the second one?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is my only I don't even know
if it's a beef I have with it, but I've
been dying. I read a bunch of reviews and I
was like, nobody is mentioning this. Okay. So the timeline
is so dramatically different in the movie than it is
in like.
Speaker 2: What actually happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, so they were together like nineteen years right in
real life.
Speaker 2: In real life, this.
Speaker 1: Basically covers the relationship that makes it seem like it's
two years. Yeah, And they open it with him getting
his twenty year sobriety chip, Yes, and he sings a
song in the AA meeting and John goes, have you
ever had somebody perform a song for their birthday? And
I was like, Nope, not in my entire like going
on seventeen years, I've ever seen somebody bring a guitar.
Speaker 2: Right and sing a song.
Speaker 1: But hey, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I
think that's cool whatever. I think that this was truly happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I didn't see that in
the doc, but they did talk about his sobriety.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so he's taking a twenty year cake and
then that's the same day he meets.
Speaker 2: What's her name is it, Claire? Claire? Yeah, Claire?
Speaker 1: Okay. Then the next thing that happens is like he's
taking a two year cake, but he's got this big gig.
So within one year, according to the movie, they're married
and already kind of getting famous performing a gig. Yeah,
and then tragedy befalls them, and then within like it
seems like another year, that's true on their feet and
he's getting another cake. They're marking it by cakes. Well,
the real story is like years went by in between,
like right when they met, it was like seven years
before they were married and being in this band and
then it was like nine years before they got like
the big Big, right, it was at least seven years.
Speaker 2: Before they did the Pearl Jam uh things. Yeah, then.
Speaker 1: After the tragedy happens, it's like nine years. It's a
long ass time that other stuff happens. Yes, yeah, but
in the movie then they're together for another long time
before more bad stuff happens. But I was like, wow,
they really just shrunk that to two years they did.
They were together almost twenty.
Speaker 2: Right, And I think maybe because they didn't want to
age them, you know, right, you know, and they're just
they're making a movie. And but in the documentary, they
it was a little different, like they they were playing
these gigs and they were getting popular again, and I
don't know, do we want to I mean we might
have a little spoiler alerts.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, okay, spoiler alerts.
Speaker 2: Spoiler yes. So basically, the way that he in the
movie is the way that they did, Like they play
this big gig, he hits his head and then they
go to go meet him Neil Diamond at the custard shop.
It's not exactly what happened. They did play this gig
or whatever. But then a couple weeks like time goes by,
he has his heart issue, he goes he's in the hospital,
then he gets his heart fixed, then they go back
out on tour again. He did hit his head and
I don't think told anybody, and he died from complications
of bleeding on the brain. He didn't die in the
car on the way to meet Neil Damon, right, right.
But they did show the real custard shop, and they
did interview people that worked in the customer and they
do say that Neil Diamond, every time he plays he
comes by gets a custard, which immediately made me want
to crave custom Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Which is making me kind of want custard.
Speaker 2: Where do we get custard around here? Like? Who sells
custard anymore? That is so funny.
Speaker 1: I was literally gonna go and now I want custard.
Speaker 2: I was when I was watching the movie, I was
craving custard. Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1: My other beef with it, which and it's it's fun
to watch movies with John because he knows me so well.
So do you remember the movie that was I don't know,
came out like twenty years ago. Ai, do you hear
that movie? It was a Steven Spielberg movie.
Speaker 2: Really terrible. Yeah, I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: Had all these false endings. So you're you're watching the
movie and then you're like, okay, I guess we're drawing
to a close. And then they're like two thousand years
later under the sea, and then there's another whole scene
and then you're like, okay, well, now aliens are like
inhabiting on Earth, so now this is how they're going
to go out. And then they're like nope, another two
million years later this happens, and you're like okay. So
in this movie, when you feel okay, when she's getting
her emotional when she's back and they have this they
play this gig at the restaurant, right, and she's back
at and she's playing and you're like okay, and I
kept going I go credits and John goes, yeah, I
mean it's got to be right. They wrapped it up
like it's a comeback story, and she's back and then
it's like the next day. They don't chirn that, but
now it's the next day and it's a totally different
scene and you're like okay, and then something else happens,
and then it's like a year later, and then I
would just kept going, oh my god, now I have
no sense of the timing of this movie when it's
going to end.
Speaker 2: And they're like, now.
Speaker 1: He's like fixing someone's car, and yeah, there's a sub
story with the daughter.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yes, I know. Yeah. You
kept thinking like, Okay, it's gonna be done, it's gonna
be done. And now now now that car runs into
the house, I'm like, what the fuck it happened again?
I was like what that? And it did? And yeah.
I then I had to watch the documentary because I
want to watch it. Yeah, it's on YouTube. We have
to find it, okay, and you'll find you can find it.
Just it's called song Sung Blue, where my mom says,
song song Blue. It's on YouTube, but you can find it. Yeah.
It's like an hour and.
Speaker 1: Isn't Kate Hudson. Doesn't she have such a good voice.
Speaker 2: She's amazing. She was so great. And that she singer,
I don't know, but I read that she loves to sing,
like that's her true, that's what she likes to do.
But she put on an album she did yeah like
wow while ago wow. Yeah, and he did a great
job so good.
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman, Yes, also an amazing voice.
Speaker 2: They were so and then I watched him on Kelly
Clarkson together, and then I watched a clip of him
singing with the real Clayer in real life. They had
her on the on the red carpet at the premiere
of the movie. They interviewed her.
Speaker 1: That almost made me cry when I read that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they interviewed, and she's like, they did such a
good job. They captured everything. One saying in the documentary
that they didn't show in the movie is after he
passed away, she's sitting in the living room and her
daughter goes, Mom, you gotta like it was the day
of the funeral. She's like, she's like, you gotta this
big box came in the mail. She opens it up.
It's a beautiful classic Gibson guitar with a beautiful note
from Eddie Vedder like how much he touched his life.
Like he was like, you, guys, I've been following your
you know your story, and it was she read this
beautiful letter from Eddie Vedder. They should have put that
in the movie. That was so touching. That was the
best part of the documentary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wonder what's happened to the kids.
Speaker 2: They're friends, The kids are friends. They became like a
like a happy, blended family. Yeah. Yeah, they called him Papa,
you know. They they were just like a little sweet family.
Speaker 1: Because if the movie had followed what really happened, those
kids would have aged twenty years oh yeah times. Yeah,
it would have known each other like a long time,
right right, because it was really funny. There's a scene
early on where the one daughter, the well Claire's daughter,
she's dragging her to a rehearsal and she's like yeah
and this girl's like sixteen yeah, and she's like yeah,
and his daughter is going to be there, and she's like,
are you fucking kidding me? Is this like a play date?
Speaker 2: Right on? Right? Right? But then they do end up bonding, Yeah,
they did. They bonded. Yeah. Yeah. In the documentary you
don't really see that because it was all taking place
in one period of time when the kids were still
kind of young. But there's like arguing and you know,
and he's in his underwear all the time, like Hugh
Jackman was. But yeah, it's just I just love Neil
diamond songs. I just was like, oh my gosh, reminds
me of my childhood.
Speaker 1: He surprised at how many Neil Diamond songs you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I was like, oh my god, I
don't know the names. But then when they're like, let's
play this song, and then they started singing, and I go,
I love that song.
Speaker 1: She's Got a Way to movie.
Speaker 2: I love that song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, sweet car Line. It was a
good movie.
Speaker 2: It was a good movie. I love those kind of movies.
Speaker 1: What else should I watch? What other movies are?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Wait, I have access to all the movies.
Speaker 2: Have you seen housemaid or whatever it's called with those
two blondie girls. What's their names? Sydney Sweeney's in it.
But then there's the other one she played.
Speaker 1: Like house bunnies house.
Speaker 2: It's called Housemaids. Okay, it's kind of like a thriller.
It's on Amazon. It was in a theater. Oh, that's
on Amazon. Also, Smarty Supreme is on Amazon. Did you
like that? I didn't. Sonny liked it. I didn't watch
it yet. Oh my god. I watched the Olympics with
Sonny the other night for like two hours. You did?
But then he started showing me extreme red bull videos
on YouTube. So then we started like meandering into that,
you know, just all these like extreme sports and stuff.
It was fun. Had ribs hung out. That's fun. It
was fun. Didn't Italia come back at all? No? No,
she's back at school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's doing with her post breakup. She's doing breakup era.
Speaker 2: She's doing good. She's doing good. She's strong's not like me.
She's having fun with her friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I should tell you. I think you'll be interested.
There's a new season of Love is Blind.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, yeah, have is it good? Oh,
I'm all, I'm through. Okay, when you're listening to this
right now?
Speaker 1: Three more episodes are out because I've I've watched the
first six Okay, I'm in. I love it. I'm covering
it on rose Pricks but on our Patreon for now, okay,
and we'll release it into regular episodes in like a
few weeks, maybe like right when it's done.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm like, is there any nut job notes? Oh? Yeah, okay, good, Yeah,
it's all I want to know.
Speaker 1: There's only one like very normal couple that will probably
get married. Okay, the rest of them are all like
KOOKI Okay.
Speaker 2: I love that. You know what else, I started watching
his Love Story on Hulu FX. It's on Hulu and
it's about JFK. Junior and Carolyn Bassett. Oh and I'm
like on episode two and it's really good. It's the
same guy that did you know the Monica Lewinsky story.
Oh you know he does like American story like he
does all these shows. Yeah, I did the monologue wins
and then what else do you clinton that was part
of that anyway? Yeah, it's called love Story and it's
really the guy is a fucking hotterish hot as shit,
and he's just like an unknown actor playing JFK. Junior.
Oh yeah, he's a good looking guy. But it's it
seems pretty good. I like it, okay. And yeah, there's
a documentary on Paramount Plus I saw after the one
that you told me to watch called Predators, and it's
about behind the scenes of catching the Predator with Chris Hansen,
but not behind more about the stories of what happened
to these guys. Okay, it's called Predator on Paramount Plus.
On Paramount Plus and they.
Speaker 1: Start did the did you just did it just start
right after you finished?
Speaker 2: It was like if after I watched that one, it
was like, if you like this, you like you know
these other ones. It's an MTV doc but it's like
an hour and a half two hours, and it interviews
Chris Hansen at the end, like kind of holding him
accountable for some things that happened to these guys after
they were caught fucking interesting shit. Oh my god, I
want to I want to watch the ship watching. Yeah, yeah,
you and Bob. You forgot about it, didn't you. I
mean I was just.
Speaker 1: Starting to feel like, oh, I feel a little bit
like myself again, even though I haven't slept, And now
I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go home and
that dog is going to be on top of me.
The good news is I haven't. This whole time, I
keep checking my phone because I keep expecting John to
be like, oh my gosh, Bob is freaking out without you.
But we okay, So we left this morning. We were
only gone for like fifteen minutes, to be fair. Yeah,
and the kids were home, but they were in their
bedrooms and Bob didn't go in their rooms to hang
with them, and we were genuinely like, I wonder what
he's going to do with all of us out of
the house, like just alone in our bedroom. He didn't
shut the door because I was like, I don't want
to try to close him into a room because I
don't want to get him upset. And also, since the
kids are home, if he wants to wander down the
hall hang with them, he can.
Speaker 2: But when we got home, I was like, oh my god,
is he going to shit in the house, like because
he hadn't pooped because it's been raining, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: But I went down to Sadie's room. I was like,
did Bob come in here and hang out? And she goes, no,
he like poked his head in and then left, and
Xander same thing, and he hadn't touched anything. I mean
we were only gone for like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: See, I think, Stephanie, I think in a like next week,
I think he's gonna relax and he's gonna get comfortable.
I just think this is a temporary thing with you.
I really do. You might need to have just let
him sleep on the bed with you.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, because well where we left off
the story, I think on Tuesday I was saying I
don't know how tonight will go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to get him. I mean, listen,
anything could happened. Maybe he'll sleep in his create tonight.
Speaker 2: He won't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just not going to because he's addicted
to me. Yeah, he has a problem. He needs a meeting.
Speaker 2: But you know, will we be able.
Speaker 1: To get him to eventually sleep in the crate or
will I be able to get him to sleep in
his bed? Maybe? But like you said, he's also sick,
so he's not feeling well. He's insecure. He just adjusting
to living in our house. Yeah, he You know, when
I read about the thing about the panic, it's like
that the cleanness is coming from your dog being in
shock and just clinging onto the rescuer. You know, he
has nothing that he knows, even the shelter.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he.
Speaker 1: Hated it, but at least it was like yeah every
day like that's I mean, it was probably terrible, don't
get me wrong. But now he just gets in a
car with somebody. He's in a totally random house with
totally random people. He has no idea his place in
the world. He's not feeling well. He had surgery the
day before. Like this is understandable, and this is exactly
probably going to get better, but you should here are
things you should be doing to make sure he doesn't get.
Speaker 2: Really bad habits. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I just know that people are listening in Judd
and being like, what you let him sleep in your bed?
But it's sort of like when you have a new
baby and you're like, fuck it, I'm there sleeping in
the bed because you're like, I got to sleep.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 1: I mean, John and I did that a couple of nights.
Elbie slept on John's chest the entire night and he
got no sleep because so that I could sleep, because
the only way she would not sleep in her bacinette, right,
even though we put in nice padding, it was basically
like a crate for her. And she was like, hell no,
I don't want to I'm not being by myself. I
want to be touched. I want to tell Yeah, And
so we were like, we need to sleep. We put
her in bed, and that was me last night. I
was like I have to sleep, yes, Like I'm sorry,
I can't. I don't have the emotional wherewithal to train.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't blame you, done, I would
have done the same thing. I really would.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the tenth time, he just was like, no,
just got up and truck.
Speaker 2: He wants to be near you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't.
Speaker 1: Let So Sadie and Xander never slept in our bed,
not one time. Yeah, neither is Sunny or in Italia,
because we couldn't because there were two of them. So
I guess we just dealt with it and they stayed
in their stayed in there, and then they went in
cribs and then that's that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same with LB. We were kind of suckers because
we had one baby and she was screaming all the
time the beginning, right. Yeah. And also I think the
twins kind of comforted each other in the saint knowing
that they were in the same room. They seemed okay,
like from the get go. They were just in their cribs.
Speaker 1: We co slept them in a did you co sleep yours? Yeah,
we did, because they co slept them a little bit
in the hospital. So we put them in a crib
together and it worked.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, they were like next to
each other, but they're in their own their own cribs,
and I was basically in the room all the time
with them. Anyway, you know, breastfeeding and shit the beginning
for the first two weeks, for the first two weeks,
and then you know feeding every you know, as soon
as you're done with one and the other one's hungry. I mean,
the twin thing was just like they never ended on.
And I had that horrible but pump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like just constantly trying to get milk out and
it was not happening.
Speaker 2: I had an industrial pump yeah yeah, the hospital. We
rented it from the hospital.
Speaker 1: Right it didn't work, would still get like a Nike
say pump amount of like milk, right, like a half
a Niquil cup, and I would.
Speaker 2: Walk into the hospital with it when they were in
the nicu.
Speaker 1: I was trying to pump at home, and they'd look
at it like, oh, we don't really need this, but
thank you. Can I tell you that story that and
then we'll wrap. But that my friend I wrote about
this in one of the books. But my friend was
like I she had a baby around the same time,
and she was like, I'm like a milk machine. I'm
happy to give you like pump milk and give you
milk if you feed it to them in the nicke
you and I broached that to the nurses in the
NICU and they're like, yeah, no, we don't allow that,
and I was like why it was basically they're like,
you can't just bring in street milk, right right, we
got to have that like tested, like we're responsible for it. Yeah, yeah,
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