Speaker 1: Well, the last time we did a show, I said
Speaker 1: that there was one sad land in the notes, and
Speaker 1: I said that we would have one Sad Landing for
Speaker 1: every loss they had this year. So tell me, boys,
Speaker 1: when you open the notes to do today's podcast, how
Speaker 1: many sad Landing's are there?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the first one, and then right right next
Speaker 3: to it, there does appear to be a second one.
Speaker 4: That's two.
Speaker 2: Did you guys notice it? In that bad? Landon looks
Speaker 2: like he's in the backdrop of like the Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: studio with like the red curtains.
Speaker 4: It does that.
Speaker 2: The only waits the actual setting for that. So that
Speaker 2: was Landon. Who was I believe you were just like
Speaker 2: six at that point. No, you were seventeen.
Speaker 1: You were watching the selection show in eighteen when Kansas's
Speaker 1: region of death was unfailed, and you and Nick were
Speaker 1: doing a live stream where you just couldn't help but
Speaker 1: bury your face into your hands because you were convinced
Speaker 1: that if Marvin bag He didn't send your Jayhawks home,
Speaker 1: it would for sure be tom Izzo's Michigan State Spartans.
Speaker 1: At spoiler alert, neither one did. Villanova did. So that's
Speaker 1: Lala looking quite said, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take tom Izzo's team right now, just
Speaker 2: saying I can't believe him saying that I would take
Speaker 2: tom Izzo's team. I can't wait to talk about this team.
Speaker 1: What a what a fall from grace in a week?
Speaker 1: What a difference a week can make too, sad landings,
Speaker 1: And we're not even to Christmas yet. At least Jeff
Speaker 1: Grimes is dead, right? Is that Is that something we
Speaker 1: can celebrate on this show? J Yeah, yeah, he'ssen Okay,
Speaker 1: he is so not ready to get rid of that.
Speaker 2: On the seventh day.
Speaker 1: He comes back to bull eligible. I can feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the seventh day, Jalen Daniels pulled up his
Speaker 2: raising canes apron, put in some fries, and made eight
Speaker 2: million dollars venile money to throw twenty four picks and
Speaker 2: lead Kansas to three and nine. I'm so positive right
Speaker 2: now about Kansas Athletics. If you guys couldn't tell, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well he's probably gonna be throwing the like mac
Speaker 3: level wide receivers next year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe this is the year they'll beat Kansas State. Right,
Speaker 1: Surely Lucy can't pull that football out from from me
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 2: Never happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no way, they blows this year.
Speaker 1: That was a fluke, you know, from one rival to another.
Speaker 1: Because Bill self got off the bus and led his
Speaker 1: Jayhawks into Missouri Arena to play.
Speaker 2: Did he really know?
Speaker 1: And oh my and oh my gosh, then this happened.
Speaker 1: It was like that they watched that Creighton uh whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. That that game that happened
Speaker 1: that had most of us by and large saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're playing a team that was due to play well,
Speaker 1: and they did, and they beat you in a loud environment.
Speaker 1: You know, as long as they bounce back and take
Speaker 1: care of business, you'll feel pretty good about where they're at.
Speaker 1: And they just showed up looking like eh, Like I
Speaker 1: struggled with the effort thing for a while. I wanted
Speaker 1: to say it was more about Missouri getting Kansas rattled
Speaker 1: and playing well, which other teams do sometimes. But on
Speaker 1: the that was a game that was so much worse
Speaker 1: on the rewatch. You guys ever have those, They played
Speaker 1: bad and you rewatch part of it, so you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't as bad, Maybe it just didn't go
Speaker 1: in the basket. Stuff like that sucked so much worse
Speaker 1: on the rewatch for me, all sucked.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Agree, they didn't even get off the I think so
Speaker 1: much of it is Yeah, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is the It is the intensity that you expect.
Speaker 1: And like Twitter, Warriors like to think that they should
Speaker 1: bring their pitchforks and fire torches into Columbia because the
Speaker 1: teams hated each other one hundred years ago. But like, no,
Speaker 1: that definitely looked like a team that was well disinterested.
Speaker 1: I think that, Like, we've watched eighty minutes of Kansas
Speaker 1: basketball this week where they were outscored by a total
Speaker 1: of what twenty two points something, Yeah, twenty two points
Speaker 1: and they played like eight good minutes.
Speaker 2: The other seventy were awful. Yeah. I think all, like
Speaker 2: Kansas bad losses at one point or another have a
Speaker 2: run where you get hope and then that run is
Speaker 2: just completely diminished by just a terrible mid range transition
Speaker 2: jumper or if you're Kja Adams, it's ten foot floater. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then there was one. There was one that worked
Speaker 1: against him on the other end. It was it was
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, your classic. It was the
Speaker 1: perfect Kansas the last couple of years on the road game,
Speaker 1: the deficit got a little bigger than I thought it would.
Speaker 1: If the biggest the deficit got was like fourteen, I
Speaker 1: would say that's every Kansas game on the road the
Speaker 1: last two years. But it got worse, and then it
Speaker 1: almost was all for not and then it was so
Speaker 1: here we go. This is inside the paint on rock
Speaker 1: Chok blog. Two losses in two shows. I'm Ryan Landrath,
Speaker 1: I'm double as Sad Landing Fields.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure, hey, o Towny's bookie, sign me up.
Speaker 1: Hey, he's only making two million dollars a year till
Speaker 1: he retires, sir, he could use a few bucks from
Speaker 1: what I understand. So let's talk about those Jayhawks. They
Speaker 1: went into Colombia, their second road game in as many days.
Speaker 2: And well it went like this.
Speaker 1: Oh I wanted to push the crash drop, but I
Speaker 1: have ads all over this freaking thing. There we go,
Speaker 1: We're off to a very Kansas in Columbia sort of
Speaker 1: start here. Let's let's give it a go, all right. Well,
Speaker 1: the good thing is we won't have to see that
Speaker 1: pesky number one in front of their name for probably
Speaker 1: the rest of the year.
Speaker 2: Now, Missouri seventy, now you get two of them, Number
Speaker 2: one Kansas sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Man, all right, who wants to read? Who wants to
Speaker 1: tell me what happened?
Speaker 2: I go ahead, lean and you have fun. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: save my rage for later.
Speaker 3: Fresh off whatever you want to call the Creighton game bad.
Speaker 3: The Jayhawks responded by putting forth one of the worst
Speaker 3: first halves in modern cool history, scoring twenty five points
Speaker 3: and turning it over just ten less times than that
Speaker 3: fifteen turnovers in the first half. That they trailed by
Speaker 3: fourteen after the break and fell behind by as many
Speaker 3: as twenty four with fourteen minutes left, seemed like they
Speaker 3: were well on their way just getting trounced. It was
Speaker 3: at that point, and a furious comeback was made as
Speaker 3: Kansas cut the deficit from twenty.
Speaker 4: Four to two with a thirty to eight.
Speaker 3: Run that I think had a lot more to do
Speaker 3: with defense and Missouri going extremely cold than Kansas, but nonetheless,
Speaker 3: with two minutes left, Missouri led to sixty five sixty
Speaker 3: three and twenty five percent. Shooter Mark Mitchell, Kansasity native
Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell hoisted a line drive three at the rim
Speaker 3: toward the end of the shot clock in a very
Speaker 3: good defensive possession. It went in and that ended the
Speaker 3: comeback hopes. Missouri wins by nine. The result was the
Speaker 3: team second loss of the week and their second court
Speaker 3: storm of the week as well. So let's just start
Speaker 3: off job by talking about what's wrong with the team.
Speaker 3: Cam take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So everyone sit down, grab a cup of coffee
Speaker 2: or tea, whatever time it is of night's let's talk
Speaker 2: Bill Self, head coach, Bill Self, hall of famer. We
Speaker 2: talk about him all the time. Great guy, great coach.
Speaker 2: He has completely butchered the start of the season and
Speaker 2: completely mismanaged this roster. Bill Self said last year, we
Speaker 2: can't do this again. Guys, we need scores. So let's
Speaker 2: go into the portal. And he goes into the portal.
Speaker 2: Kansas spends millions of dollars, millions of dollars for guys
Speaker 2: to come and play basketball. And you know what those
Speaker 2: guys aren't doing. They're not playing basketball. You get Ryland
Speaker 2: Griffin on the bench. I don't care if he is
Speaker 2: one hundred and five to side, you put him in
Speaker 2: the game. It doesn't matter. I am one more kJ
Speaker 2: Adams mid range floater that has no chance of going
Speaker 2: in away from checking into a psych ward kJ Adams
Speaker 2: could not score in a whorehouse outside of five feet
Speaker 2: It's un believable. You have a guy that went into
Speaker 2: the portal and said this won't work, guys, we can't
Speaker 2: do this anymore, and he runs it back with the
Speaker 2: same offense. You go to your biggest rival in college sports,
Speaker 2: arguably at all of college sports. This goes back to
Speaker 2: the Civil War, and you have a team of seniors
Speaker 2: that come in look completely disinterested, get fire bombed in
Speaker 2: the first half, and Bill self has his thumb up
Speaker 2: as butt, going wow, I wonder why the two non
Speaker 2: scorers aren't scoring baskets while I have scorers on the bench.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, All right, that's my rant. But geez man,
Speaker 2: this team blows. And by the way, if if nothing changes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not done. If nothing changes and this team continues
Speaker 2: on the trajectory that it's on right now, they won't
Speaker 2: win anything. I don't care what anyone says. And if
Speaker 2: any mouth breathing degenerates come into our mentions on Twitter
Speaker 2: and say Hunter Dickinson was a problem. If Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: didn't play this game, Kansas loses by twenty five plus,
Speaker 2: He's not the problem. The problem is the rotations, and
Speaker 2: it is unbelievable. This team is the best on paper
Speaker 2: roster since ten twenty eleven, and we're watching them struggle
Speaker 2: to get out of the sixties. And yes, they'll probably
Speaker 2: be fine, and I'll look like a moron in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But that's my take.
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, everything that you said there I believe
Speaker 1: has all the ingredients in place to be true, and
Speaker 1: Bill self has the opportunity all the ingredients in place
Speaker 1: to make sure.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: Because you took a team last year that struggled despite
Speaker 1: looking great on paper because a couple of the guys
Speaker 1: they were counting on to be secondary pieces it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. And you leaned on kJ, Adams, Dewan Harris
Speaker 1: and Hunter Dickinson, who all have their talents and all
Speaker 1: have their strengths, but only one as a scorer, and
Speaker 1: together making up sixty percent of your lineup the majority
Speaker 1: of the time, you leave room for a lot to
Speaker 1: be desired. You don't have a lot of shooting on
Speaker 1: the floor, you don't have a lot of athleticism on
Speaker 1: the floor. And the defense, it's fair to question, especially
Speaker 1: with Hunter and kJ and to one having his worst
Speaker 1: defensive season last year, and look what happened. They lost
Speaker 1: eleven times. They lost ten of their final twenty one games.
Speaker 1: Now you run that back.
Speaker 4: And you go go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, also in after the game, Bill just come down
Speaker 2: off the cross from you man, quit being a preacher.
Speaker 2: Your team knows. The whole thing with Bill self is
Speaker 2: it takes time for him to develop to develop trust
Speaker 2: in his players. But when you're watching your team getting
Speaker 2: boat raced in a rivalry game and you have a
Speaker 2: guy on the floor that doesn't bring offense to the table,
Speaker 2: what do you else do you need to see? Did
Speaker 2: you guys see the quote? After the game, He's like,
Speaker 2: I know in theory who the best players are, you know,
Speaker 2: and who should be starting? But I have who shouldn't start?
Speaker 2: In theory?
Speaker 1: Who are five starters should be? But I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it in practice yet?
Speaker 4: But what are you like?
Speaker 2: What do you need to see? Like? I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's an amazing coach, but Lord, clearly that quote is
Speaker 1: directed at Ryland Griffin and aj Store.
Speaker 2: Those are the two guys.
Speaker 1: That were in the starting lineup in the first three
Speaker 1: games of the year, at least one of them was,
Speaker 1: and now they're not. And Ryland Griffin, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: when Kansas is trying to make a comeback, can't get
Speaker 1: his warmups off. Aj Store couldn't play until the team
Speaker 1: was completely buried. And I mean, I know he didn't
Speaker 1: look good at all in the second half, but man,
Speaker 1: it would have been nice to see what it would
Speaker 1: have looked like had he gotten a chance in the
Speaker 1: first half to get his feet wet. You bring in
Speaker 1: these guys. Aj Store is a million dollar nil player.
Speaker 1: Ryland Griffin, I'm sure got a nice check and a
Speaker 1: hundred decads and is two million. I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: the donors and it's not like that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they're pleased with what's come as
Speaker 1: a result of their investments. And yeah, you're right about
Speaker 1: Bill self. Bill selfa doesn't have to prove anything to us.
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer and he's the best coach
Speaker 1: in the history of Kansas basketball. But it is really
Speaker 1: interesting that you're seeing him build back to back years
Speaker 1: the number one team on paper in the transfer portal
Speaker 1: and struggled to get the most out of it that
Speaker 1: we saw him through thirty five games last year, it
Speaker 1: didn't work very well.
Speaker 2: This year, a whole whole lot of runway in front
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: They could go thirty for their next thirty three and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me at all. But there's land and
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that as I'll pass the hot potato to you.
Speaker 2: The point that you have.
Speaker 1: Tried to make is they may be better on paper,
Speaker 1: they may be better at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: but to this point, the problems that doomed them last
Speaker 1: year that they vowed to fix are the exact same
Speaker 1: things that are holding them back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that is the case.
Speaker 3: Not to be bill self and stutter my words, but
Speaker 3: I agree that that is my take. Now, this year's
Speaker 3: team does have like three to four Nick Timberlakes as
Speaker 3: opposed to last year, which had like two, one of
Speaker 3: them being Johnny Furfy who kind of worked.
Speaker 4: So they have more darts to throw.
Speaker 3: If you will, more spins of the roulette wheel to
Speaker 3: get right and wrong. Yeah, But to to Cam's point,
Speaker 3: the portaling has not worked yet, and that's been I
Speaker 3: think so noticeable in the last two games is that
Speaker 3: the chemistry, particularly on offense, is once they get into
Speaker 3: a bind, it goes out the window. Like once they
Speaker 3: get behind the eight ball. Once the opponent takes a
Speaker 3: little bit of control and puts Kansas in a bad
Speaker 3: spot or on a spot where they need to start scoring,
Speaker 3: being forced to score to stay in the game, it
Speaker 3: just becomes like one pass, dribble dribble shot. It becos
Speaker 3: it becomes very rudimentary ISO offense with not really anyone
Speaker 3: that can do that at a high level. It's not
Speaker 3: even that they're getting horrible shots all the time. And
Speaker 3: in this game against Missouri, I do think they had
Speaker 3: a fair amount of open looks that just bricked. But nonetheless,
Speaker 3: like the offense just becomes completely nothing and it doesn't
Speaker 3: look like these guys have played together because they have it,
Speaker 3: And I think that's a huge problem.
Speaker 4: With a very portal.
Speaker 3: Built roster in the last two years, that's a huge,
Speaker 3: huge reason they had the problems they had last year.
Speaker 3: Obviously got some unlucky as well with the way that
Speaker 3: roster ended up.
Speaker 1: Being well, it kind of reminds me a little bit.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me a little bit of like
Speaker 1: whenever you watch an NFL team like the Derrick Henry Titans,
Speaker 1: or ironically the Derrick Henry Ravens and that like, whenever
Speaker 1: they are forced to play from behind, they're a completely
Speaker 1: different team than when they can dictate the style. If
Speaker 1: they can they can quickly enforce. If they can quickly
Speaker 1: establish what they want to do, and in Kansas's case,
Speaker 1: that is feeding the post, getting Hunter to work, getting
Speaker 1: kJ to work, and building a lead and playing from
Speaker 1: ahead at Allen Field House, then they're really really hard
Speaker 1: to keep up with. But the same thing, we've watched
Speaker 1: this team go on the road. They're three and ten
Speaker 1: on the road now in the last two years, and
Speaker 1: they fall behind in almost all of those losses. They've
Speaker 1: gotten off to horrible starts, and they here comes that
Speaker 1: that old reliable but not it doesn't have a nitrous
Speaker 1: sort of clunker coming behind you.
Speaker 2: That's just not gonna roar back from.
Speaker 1: Big deficits two points out of time.
Speaker 2: This team is kind of the way I view it.
Speaker 2: This team, on paper is the best roster I think,
Speaker 2: arguably since probably twenty ten, twenty eleven. But I almost
Speaker 2: wonder if if it's a thing with the portal two
Speaker 2: of like some of these guys don't know what it
Speaker 2: means to play for Kansas. Bill self has had his
Speaker 2: best teams where guys developing his system for years. I mean,
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two team had seniors, and obviously it
Speaker 2: was even even someone like friend for Schilla, who's an
Speaker 2: imbecile and is insufferable to listen to you mentioned on
Speaker 2: the telecast. He was like, well, you know, Dwan Harris
Speaker 2: is a great point guard, but you know you have guys.
Speaker 2: He needs someone like Christian Brown, oh Chai baj around him,
Speaker 2: and it just doesn't work the way it is. But
Speaker 2: I also wonder, like if these guys coming in from
Speaker 2: the portal, you know, it's just not one and they're
Speaker 2: not playing much in two. It's just I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't seem like a great fit. And yes,
Speaker 2: this team probably will be fine. It's it's this is
Speaker 2: like a meltdown pod. But it's just frustrating to watch.
Speaker 1: Call your shot. What happens to this team. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start and say that they will be just fine. I
Speaker 1: think that they end the regular season twenty nine wins
Speaker 1: and five losses entering the Big Entering the NCAA Tournament,
Speaker 1: I think that they will be not just fine, but
Speaker 1: they will be one of the three best teams in
Speaker 1: college basketball.
Speaker 2: I think Bill Sell figures it out.
Speaker 1: I'm betting on what I've seen, what twenty one years
Speaker 1: of sample size, he's figured it out and become a
Speaker 1: one or a two seed in all those years except
Speaker 1: for like four, odds are in my favor.
Speaker 2: I'll say that. What say you?
Speaker 4: Oh, what's that music in the background? I know this one?
Speaker 4: That's round of thirty two? Loss?
Speaker 2: Yeah your prediction? Yep? Oh please what seed? Four?
Speaker 4: Three?
Speaker 2: No? No? My okay? I I actually yeah, I hate
Speaker 2: doing these. I know someone out there of our five
Speaker 2: listeners is gonna remember this. But I think they get
Speaker 2: a one seed and I also think they lose in
Speaker 2: the round of thirty two. Boy ouch.
Speaker 1: But if that happens, I could also see if they
Speaker 1: don't make the second weekend, Hunter Dickinson will be probably
Speaker 1: the the the least favorably remembered Jayhawk in the self era.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My dad, who's like a lifelong Kansas fan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well he's gonna drop fourteen and uh, Kansas Twitter is
Speaker 2: gonna be like, oh, Hunter Dickinson, really, what's down today? Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: we see Raylan Griffin buried on the bench with a
Speaker 2: box of chocolate next to him. He's munching out of
Speaker 2: because bill selves looking at him like, oh, you didn't
Speaker 2: guard yesterday in the shoot around. Huh?
Speaker 1: kJ has four and three and twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 2: All right? Yeah. By the way, the biggest insult to
Speaker 2: injury was him putting Ryland Griffin in with one minute
Speaker 2: to go in the Missouri comes. What the hell was that?
Speaker 1: Like, Like, it's like you realized, oh, now we could
Speaker 1: use some scoring here, so go get them Ryland.
Speaker 2: They believe the three porto three. Why do you put
Speaker 2: him in in the middle of the second half. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I'm a jerk on a podcast and I know this.
Speaker 2: It was here.
Speaker 1: Here's here's a couple of stats. Uh, that'll that'll really
Speaker 1: epitomize the pain of this game. The stats show that
Speaker 1: Kansas made two more baskets than Missouri and actually finished
Speaker 1: plus twelve on threes. In the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: whenever they get railed on the road, we've gotten on
Speaker 1: the on this microphone and said, wow, they were outscored
Speaker 1: by twenty binds from the three point line. Well, this
Speaker 1: time they were plus double digits on threes and still lost.
Speaker 1: Typically such figures resulting wins, but amazing on a night
Speaker 1: when they committed twenty two turnovers, including fifteen of them
Speaker 1: in the first half, and they were a minus seventeen
Speaker 1: at the free throw line.
Speaker 2: It was not meant to be the turnovers.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you two things here, Landa, then tell
Speaker 1: me about where you can tell me this next stat
Speaker 1: which I think we definitely need to get into. I'm
Speaker 1: not concerned about the turnovers. I'll get that out right now.
Speaker 1: This is a team that had been very protective of
Speaker 1: the ball in their first eight games. They get into
Speaker 1: a setting that's loud. Missouri is an athletic turnover forcing team.
Speaker 1: They had a horrendous half in a horrible environment. I'm
Speaker 1: cool with that, And by cool with I'm not concerned.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long term problem. But not getting
Speaker 1: to the free throw line and being a minus seventeen
Speaker 1: at the line, when you are the team that wants
Speaker 1: to play ground and pound basketball, that's a huge problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this other stat gets at this as well.
Speaker 4: I didn't know this. This is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Now nine games in, Kansas is getting sixty one percent
Speaker 3: of its points from twos, which is fifth in the country,
Speaker 3: fifth nationally. They're getting twenty seven percent of their points
Speaker 3: from three, which is two hundred and eighty seventh in
Speaker 3: the country, so little bit worse or you know, like
Speaker 3: dog crap worse.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And they're getting to twelve percent of their points off
Speaker 3: of free throws, which is bottom ten in all of
Speaker 3: college basketball.
Speaker 4: So uh, which one of these is not?
Speaker 1: Like the problem right there? That's the problem. We have
Speaker 1: gotten on this radio or whatever you want to call
Speaker 1: it radio. We've gotten on this this equipment and said,
Speaker 1: hundred Dickenson gets a bad whistle, he should get more calls.
Speaker 1: That'll work for a few games. Well it's been almost
Speaker 1: forty games now of Hunter Dickinson, and wow, he cannot
Speaker 1: He he doesn't get to the free throw line. He's
Speaker 1: a seven foot two, bruising power forward or bruising center, cruising.
Speaker 4: But he should be.
Speaker 2: He's like, like, how does this guy not get to
Speaker 2: the free throw line more?
Speaker 4: He does?
Speaker 2: I think he? I think he goes away from contact
Speaker 2: a bit, a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say, I'm looking up his I mean he.
Speaker 2: Also I think it's bad whistles Nigginson.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find in Michigan if he was just
Speaker 1: not a guy that got to the free throw line,
Speaker 1: like at all he averaged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his free throw nup. I don't remember him doing that.
Speaker 1: He got to the free throw line five times a
Speaker 1: game in twenty twenty three at Michigan, and it was
Speaker 1: barely three last year at Kansas, and it's less than
Speaker 1: three so far this year, so a little more. But
Speaker 1: he wasn't Zach Edy or even in the same galaxy
Speaker 1: as that. Like, if you're gonna play this style, kJ
Speaker 1: Adams and Hunter Nigginson have got to get to.
Speaker 2: The free throw line.
Speaker 1: They have to get to the free throw line because
Speaker 1: that's where you can make up some of those points.
Speaker 1: You want to make more twos than threes. As long
Speaker 1: as you're elite at getting those twos.
Speaker 2: It can work.
Speaker 1: But you gotta get the plus ones some of the
Speaker 1: time to try to make up that gap a little bit. Otherwise, Boy,
Speaker 1: this is gonna stun you. They're gonna lose whenever they
Speaker 1: play a hot three point shooting team and they can't
Speaker 1: keep up.
Speaker 2: How many times have we seen that?
Speaker 4: Oh many? Infinite?
Speaker 2: Man? Once?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling about Hunter Dickinson.
Speaker 2: This is interesting. I had people on Twitter saying he
Speaker 2: was the.
Speaker 1: Reason they lost. He was kind of their biggest problem.
Speaker 1: In the worst the same game, and he was also
Speaker 1: their best aspect in the part that went well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was Kansas leader in pretty much
Speaker 2: all categories, both good and bad. He had nineteen points,
Speaker 2: fourteen rebounds for assists, and four blocks on eight for
Speaker 2: fifteen and thirty four minutes. He also had four files
Speaker 2: and seven turnovers. He was a huge problem in the
Speaker 2: first half and arguably the biggest reason they even got
Speaker 2: close in the second. What are your guys' takeaway Landon.
Speaker 1: I'm curious for your thoughts because I'll tell you that
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blame the guy that got nineteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: four and four for the loss. He wasn't perfect, but geez,
Speaker 1: what do you think happens if he's did you watch Flory?
Speaker 1: Did you see Flory try to play defense in this game?
Speaker 1: Like you think it would have been worse with that Hunter,
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot worse.
Speaker 4: I do agree.
Speaker 3: I have developed this take. I told you the guys
Speaker 3: this before the show when we were just on the
Speaker 3: call getting ready. I think Hunter Dickinson is a floor setter,
Speaker 3: not a ceiling razor. I absolutely agree with what Cam
Speaker 3: was saying earlier that if you take Hunter Dickinson off
Speaker 3: this team.
Speaker 4: They are terrible.
Speaker 3: We saw that last year in the couple games that
Speaker 3: he missed, which wasn't many, maybe he only missed one
Speaker 3: even but regardless, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: That Cincinnati t Mobile Center game was so much fun.
Speaker 2: They only lost by twenty and I think you picked
Speaker 2: them to win that game too. Of course I did
Speaker 2: with my clown hair and my clown nose, Like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: it's the game that Nick Timberlake comes out from the ashes.
Speaker 1: They will fire, they will be fired up to win
Speaker 1: in front of a hometown crowd.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati sucks.
Speaker 1: And then what happened, They got absolutely railed, and.
Speaker 3: That is that would have happened here. I mean they
Speaker 3: were losing by twenty four with him. But like, if
Speaker 3: you take hundred Dickinson off this team, like they are
Speaker 3: so so much worse. But like at a certain point,
Speaker 3: you have to like look at what your eyes are
Speaker 3: telling you and what the results are telling you, and
Speaker 3: that Hunter Dickinson is not a guy that is going
Speaker 3: to lead you to wins. Like there's only so many
Speaker 3: games that he can play where they lose like this
Speaker 3: where you have to kind of save yourself Huh. Maybe
Speaker 3: Hunter Dickinson isn't a guy that's gonna carry Kansas to
Speaker 3: big wins against good teams or in tough environments, and
Speaker 3: that so far has been the case. That's not to
Speaker 3: say he hasn't had brilliant performances. He absolutely has, and
Speaker 3: he has been key reasons why they've won certain games.
Speaker 3: But for the team and for this player, I think
Speaker 3: he sets a really high a pretty high floor for
Speaker 3: Kansas and that he's not gonna let the bottom drop
Speaker 3: out on them.
Speaker 4: But at least so far, he's not been the reason
Speaker 4: they've won much.
Speaker 1: Yeap, And you said, cam h if you had told
Speaker 1: me that a hundred Dickinson would be a floor setter
Speaker 1: and not a ceiling raizer, which I think Landon's completely
Speaker 1: right on, I would have said that may have been
Speaker 1: a good thing at the beginning of his tenure because
Speaker 1: I would thought that that sets a floor higher than
Speaker 1: any team's floor in college basketball. But I'm now seeing
Speaker 1: what that means. That means the opposite. That means the
Speaker 1: floor is very very low. If you can have a
Speaker 1: guy get nineteen fourteen, four and four and they still,
Speaker 1: as you said, can't get out of the sixties against.
Speaker 2: The top fifty ish Ken Palm team. Yeah, and Missouri. Honestly,
Speaker 2: this is the other thing that's just mind boggling. I
Speaker 2: don't think Missouri is that good. But congrats Bill, you
Speaker 2: just gave him a quad one win and they'll probably
Speaker 2: make the NCAA tournament. But no, Hunter Dickinson is He's
Speaker 2: not the problem. The problem is if he has a
Speaker 2: game where like we saw against Creighton, if he's shut
Speaker 2: down and he can't score and they're forcing it out
Speaker 2: of his hands. If kJ Adams continues to play a
Speaker 2: thirty plus minutes a game, then it becomes an issue
Speaker 2: of who's gonna put the ball in the hoop? And
Speaker 2: I look, if there's one coach you want to figure
Speaker 2: this out, its Bill self, and he probably will. We've
Speaker 2: seen it time and time again. Last year he didn't
Speaker 2: have as many options on the team, and the options
Speaker 2: that he did have fell completely flat. So yes, I
Speaker 2: do think they they probably will be fine. I don't
Speaker 2: think Hunter Dickinson is the problem, But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: the take on the him being kind of the floor
Speaker 2: setter for the team is actually one of the best
Speaker 2: takes I've I've heard this season.
Speaker 1: Well, and you say that if he's not going to
Speaker 1: put the ball in the basket, who else was aj
Speaker 1: Store tried. He did his best to will Kansas back
Speaker 1: in the second half, but it went badly. He was
Speaker 1: one for seven from the floor in eighteen minutes for
Speaker 1: two points. He seems like the guy that you need
Speaker 1: a leader. You need to give me the ball and
Speaker 1: let me make plays.
Speaker 2: Guy. I think he can be it.
Speaker 1: In order for him to be successful, he's got to
Speaker 1: play in the first freaking half and have a chance
Speaker 1: to get going before you're down by twenty in Missouri Arena.
Speaker 2: Yah boo, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: He racked out there. You let a high level transfer
Speaker 4: playing the first half of a road game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're transfer portal. Like, if you're a transfer
Speaker 2: portal guy, why would you go to Kansas right now?
Speaker 2: Other than mar the fact you're playing for Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's and Columbia.
Speaker 2: You learned life lessons on the bench sitting next to
Speaker 2: Zach Florence while he's picking his nose or Zach Clemens.
Speaker 2: Ah all the store does Shack Moore, Bill Bill put
Speaker 2: in a lineup with Zach Clements, Hunter Dickinson, and kJ
Speaker 2: Adams before he put Ryland Griffin on the floor, like
Speaker 2: what do we do?
Speaker 1: We trust something something trust. Store racked up four fouls,
Speaker 1: putting him at one foul per seven minutes of play.
Speaker 1: Last year he barely averaged one foul per game in
Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes at Wisconsin, So this is very different.
Speaker 1: I think self has AJ Store all sorts of messed up,
Speaker 1: and I think that's.
Speaker 2: Probably is needed. I don't think. I think Bill Selp
Speaker 2: needs a J Store, and he may he does a
Speaker 2: little too much.
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm here.
Speaker 2: This is a trade wreck of a podcast.
Speaker 3: It's quite familiar to me as well. Place it Wait,
Speaker 3: I know, let me google. Oh yeah, it's it's Nick
Speaker 3: Timberlake's music.
Speaker 4: Shout and on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Their biggest transfer is a colossal disappointment. But Timberlake got chances.
Speaker 1: He just bricked everything store. I I think store style
Speaker 1: of play. He needs to be involved early. He needs
Speaker 1: to be involved with the feel of the game. And
Speaker 1: he's a guy that gets better as the game goes along.
Speaker 1: So if you wait to throw him out there until
Speaker 1: you're down twenty, I don't think it's gonna go real.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Storre's gotta start enough with the with the trust be
Speaker 1: seriously enough, you have to start him one of your
Speaker 1: five best players.
Speaker 2: If you want to do anything, he has to be
Speaker 2: in the game. I mean, if you're paying a tree,
Speaker 2: if you're paying a guy nil n I l money
Speaker 2: to just sit on the bench and you know, put
Speaker 2: fries in a bag. That's basically Jalen Daniels. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like you gotta go, you gotta play him,
Speaker 2: and he went from being like he was arguably he
Speaker 2: was the guy or one of the the guys at Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: I think part of it might be a confidence thing
Speaker 2: as well. He'll be fine. I assume he's going to
Speaker 2: play more, and yeah, he probably will start. I would
Speaker 2: assume self will do that at some point.
Speaker 4: It's almost like you should.
Speaker 3: He hasn't around how they fit together and not just
Speaker 3: take theoretically players and smash them together like action figures
Speaker 3: on a court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what you do in NBA two K.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're building this, I was just gonna say, grab
Speaker 1: a bunch of nineties and like, oh, this team should should.
Speaker 2: Be world beaters and it doesn't always work. Storres I
Speaker 2: signed Chamberlains. How will it work?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 1: You go but somebody's got to dribble a ball at
Speaker 1: the court. Oh not an NBA two k It don't matter.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just have them all run to the
Speaker 1: rim and dunk. Yeah, this is not how that works.
Speaker 1: And I love putting teams together Madden Style eight, but no,
Speaker 1: it's not working for Kansas.
Speaker 2: And Store hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: Store hasn't given Bill self a lot of reasons to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, go out there and play thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: mainly because he foul out in the first damn half.
Speaker 1: At this rate, he can't stop fouling people, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been very good on defense, but he's an eighty
Speaker 1: percent foul shooter. He is your best guy when it
Speaker 1: comes to drawing contact. He is your best guy when
Speaker 1: it comes to going to the basket and trying to
Speaker 1: get you to points. That way, if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: give it a hunter, your second best shot for points
Speaker 1: is to let aj Store shoot the ball. And whenever
Speaker 1: you are scoring twenty five points and a half, Store
Speaker 1: played three minutes in the first half. Ryland Griffin got
Speaker 1: a stupid weak ass flagrant and didn't play until garbage time.
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: How can you be surprised that you're not getting out
Speaker 1: of sixties whenever you're taking those two guys. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna win every game with those guys, but
Speaker 1: you have our best chance of scoring more enough to
Speaker 1: get past that comeback mark. You gotta play them. It's
Speaker 1: it's and we're gonna talk about kJ, and I mean
Speaker 1: we'll go and throw that out there. kJ had eleven
Speaker 1: and four and thirty two minutes. I will give him
Speaker 1: some flowers. With his free throws, he was five or
Speaker 1: five at the line. He's been a lot better at
Speaker 1: that this year, seventy six percent. I believe he leads
Speaker 1: the team and free throws taken, which tells you a
Speaker 1: lot about how well this season is going. But kJ
Speaker 1: can't play thirty two minutes. If aj Store and Ryland
Speaker 1: Griffin are gonna combine for less than that, that cannot happen.
Speaker 2: Trust be damn. You have to put your shooters in
Speaker 2: the game. That is like, if you could foreshadow right
Speaker 2: now to how this team will lose in the NCAA Tournament,
Speaker 2: it's going to be with aj Store, Ryland Griffin buried
Speaker 2: on the bench somewhere. kJ thirty four minutes and just no,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna break this. There'll be somewhere between fifty
Speaker 2: five and sixty four points. Land, and tell me.
Speaker 1: About David Koy, because I feel like we should just
Speaker 1: kind of throw everybody into the ring and then we
Speaker 1: can kind of pick who we want to talk about.
Speaker 1: We've talked about who was bad. There were guys in
Speaker 1: this game that were good.
Speaker 4: Koit was one of those. Coit was actually not bad.
Speaker 4: You're in the start.
Speaker 3: Made four threes to help the comeback, including one to
Speaker 3: cut it to three pretty late. I finish fourteen points,
Speaker 3: was four to seven from three to twenty six minutes.
Speaker 3: Zeke Mayo not quite that productive match is four points
Speaker 3: with four turnovers in twenty six minutes where he only
Speaker 3: took six shots. Ryland Griffin, as has been mentioned many times,
Speaker 3: play just thirteen minutes, made his only three. He missed
Speaker 3: one right at the end, I believe, so he's like
Speaker 3: one of two maybe. Nonetheless, it was his foot was
Speaker 3: on the line.
Speaker 1: Officially, those were his only two shots of the game.
Speaker 2: He was once so crazy.
Speaker 4: Uh, it doesn't make any sense either.
Speaker 3: As we've been discussing what is happening with the guard
Speaker 3: play here koit Koit was genuinely like, alright, he was
Speaker 3: quietly maybe their best player. Uh, but like, what is
Speaker 3: actually happening here? Zeke Mayo has been a massive disappointment
Speaker 3: also in the last several games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you that, Land, and this
Speaker 1: is a question for you because because you you and
Speaker 1: I both you let right the second coming of Devonte Graham, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: after two games, and now you have the last seven
Speaker 1: games where he shot about twenty six percent on threes
Speaker 1: since halftime of the North Carolina game. It might actually
Speaker 1: be lower than that. That may include the three for
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Good team the way, great win. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Can you imagine if they had lost that one
Speaker 1: considering North Carolinas barely and I do mean barely five
Speaker 1: hundred and we're almost at Christmas h Zeke Mayo, though, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a take that I don't believe, but
Speaker 1: I saw it on Twitter, and I want to see
Speaker 1: what you would say in response to it. There's a
Speaker 1: reason he was at South Dakota State for four years,
Speaker 1: and he looks a little bit overwhelmed and outmatched by
Speaker 1: Big twelve and Power five major talent.
Speaker 4: Uh. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that has like
Speaker 3: a little to do with it, But that doesn't feel
Speaker 3: like you can kind of you can tell sometimes when
Speaker 3: guys are frazzled, or they're playing too fast, or they're
Speaker 3: playing they're trying to punch above their weight, and I
Speaker 3: don't get that feel. That's remarkably anecdotal, as so many
Speaker 3: things on this show are, I guess, but like, I
Speaker 3: don't get the feel that that's the case. But maybe
Speaker 3: that has something to do with it. It's possible, I
Speaker 3: guess I can be surprised.
Speaker 1: Cam here's my take. I do not believe that's the case.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke Mayo is truly guy who is figuring
Speaker 1: out exactly how the speed of the game works here
Speaker 1: because we've seen several times where we're all screaming to
Speaker 1: pull up from three, and undoubtedly he would have at
Speaker 1: South Dakota State Big Twelve. He thinks, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: have as much time to get this, these guys will
Speaker 1: have faster closing out. I think he will get it
Speaker 1: and be a really good player come Big twelve time.
Speaker 1: I'm way more comfortable with where Zeke Mayo is at
Speaker 1: than I am with where aj Store is at. Also,
Speaker 1: by the way, Zeke Mao is shooting nineteen percent on
Speaker 1: three since halftime of the North Carolina game was more
Speaker 1: than a month ago, so they need him to be better.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I Store, I'm legitimately worried about ever
Speaker 1: finding his identity on this roster.
Speaker 2: I think Zeke Mayo will be just fine. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: kind of. I'm in that camp with you as well,
Speaker 2: I Zeke Mayo. It's an interesting it's interesting to think
Speaker 2: about him in terms of his athleticism. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's an issue of athleticism. I mean, he is so quick.
Speaker 2: He can create his own shot. We've seen it. I've
Speaker 2: noticed he's turned it over a little bit more recently,
Speaker 2: and then obviously the shots aren't falling. I think you'll
Speaker 2: figure it out. And I also think part of this, too,
Speaker 2: just goes back to the fact that these guys haven't
Speaker 2: played with each other that long. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: transfer portal classes are, It's it's just such a different
Speaker 2: time for college basketball. And that's why I still have
Speaker 2: hope they'll be They'll figure it out. And again, if
Speaker 2: you have one guy to do it, you have the
Speaker 2: head coach to do it. Pardon my microwave. IM not
Speaker 2: cooking the pressure bomb in here allegedly, But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they'll be fine. And I also disagree with Landa.
Speaker 2: I think our show is not anecdotal and evidence. My
Speaker 2: statement saying kJ Adams couldn't score in a whorehouse has
Speaker 2: been backed up by scientific peer review data. So this
Speaker 2: is a very well published podcast.
Speaker 1: Here's a Ryland Griffin trend for you, and it's bad.
Speaker 1: Played thirty two minutes against Michigan State. Kansas has played
Speaker 1: six games since. His minutes have gone down in all six.
Speaker 1: First game after Michigan State, you could say, okay, he
Speaker 1: only played twenty one minutes that day, but he made
Speaker 1: three threes. That was the season high end points. All right,
Speaker 1: we're happy with that. Next game twenty one minutes against
Speaker 1: U and C. Wilmington, Duke seventeen minutes, Furman sixteen minutes,
Speaker 1: Missouri thirteen minutes. You're going straight downward. This is a
Speaker 1: guy who needs to be out there. He's shooting thirty
Speaker 1: seven percent on threes.
Speaker 2: He's your best three point shooter.
Speaker 1: You've been behind almost all of the eighty minutes in
Speaker 1: the last two games.
Speaker 2: I know he didn't play it well.
Speaker 3: Ryan, you gotta you gotta just understand that that Ryland
Speaker 3: good kid, but uh just he doesn't It doesn't defend.
Speaker 2: The way we need him to. Ryan, and I thought
Speaker 2: we were past this Bill. I thought Nic Timberlake, it
Speaker 2: was a it.
Speaker 1: Was a mid major guy, all right, And then you
Speaker 1: had guys that we were Brandon Green was an idiot
Speaker 1: even though he made three.
Speaker 2: But this, this is a guy that started on a
Speaker 2: Final four team last year.
Speaker 1: I thought he was, yeah, marked safe like on Facebook
Speaker 1: where you mark safe from hurricanes, mark safe from a
Speaker 1: potential Bill selfing. I thought that, like he would be
Speaker 1: a staple and Self started him in the exhibition games,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my gosh, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: the most fun three point shooting season we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: He can't get off the off the bench, and I'm
Speaker 1: not what he's not bad when he's out there.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Are we really benching him because of practice?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 2: Bill Self is turning into Tom Izzo, and I'm not
Speaker 2: okay with it. Oh I don't need that. I don't
Speaker 2: need that at all. I know you.
Speaker 4: But the difference is that Bill has two titles within memory.
Speaker 2: That that is correct. And also if if tom Izzo
Speaker 2: wins the title this year, somehow, I probably will never
Speaker 2: come back on the show and there'll probably be people
Speaker 2: after this episode that will want that. So that's fine.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like, how different is everything we're talking
Speaker 1: about if Kansas, I hate the hypothetical Carolina, like if
Speaker 1: they if they don't beat North Carolina in the championship
Speaker 1: game and they lose that game by ten and at
Speaker 1: that at this point, the streak of tournament losses by
Speaker 1: the X amount of points lives on for another a year,
Speaker 1: and Self still sitting on one title that's sixteen years
Speaker 1: ago at this point, and you're looking at.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it feels very different. I think that twenty
Speaker 1: two titles, which also that's how it works. Titles buy
Speaker 1: you a grace period. But I think, yeah, my take
Speaker 1: on Bill self is they're going to lose two of
Speaker 1: the first six games at Allen Field House in November
Speaker 1: after he retires, and you're one of Jeremy Case.
Speaker 2: And fans are.
Speaker 1: Gonna be like, oh my gosh, we had it so
Speaker 1: great with Bill self. If people call him wash, that's
Speaker 1: a take I'm.
Speaker 2: Not there at all.
Speaker 4: But it'll be the land Bower effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He'll be in Kansas, will be very good that year,
Speaker 1: but not up to Bill self standards, and it will
Speaker 1: be apparent. But Self's got to show something with the
Speaker 1: transfer portal. He's gotten the roster on paper. Some players
Speaker 1: we don't have to say much about. Dwan Harris had
Speaker 1: thirteen points, five of fourteen from the floor, five assists,
Speaker 1: three turnovers in thirty eight minutes the two games this week.
Speaker 1: He took thirty eight shots against Creighton and Missouri. Not
Speaker 1: a recipe to get it done for Kansas, as the
Speaker 1: two l's suggest. Floria Badoonga made free throw in seven
Speaker 1: seven otherwise worthless minutes where he made Kansas fans long
Speaker 1: for Hunter Dickinson's defense, and that's that's true.
Speaker 2: He was awful.
Speaker 1: I wondered if Kansas would use him and Dickinson together
Speaker 1: to counter some of Missouri's athleticism and size, and that
Speaker 1: didn't work at all. Zach clements and Ricky's passmore did nothing.
Speaker 1: They got three minutes each. And I will give credit
Speaker 1: to Missouri. That was an awesome court storm. Even Bill
Speaker 1: self said that was an awesome storm. Dennis Gates. Dennis
Speaker 1: Gates knew it was coming too, because he called the
Speaker 1: time out and said, say, you guys.
Speaker 2: Might want to leave that this is not gonna end well.
Speaker 1: If Hunter Dickinson's standing at center court when the suited
Speaker 1: some running on the floor.
Speaker 2: Hunter Dickinson's head would have been on a stake like
Speaker 2: Benito Mussolini's after World War Two if they didn't get
Speaker 2: them off the court.
Speaker 1: What do we think of Missouri is that I think
Speaker 1: they're better than we thought they would be. I think
Speaker 1: they're a friends tournament team. That was a that was
Speaker 1: a great win for him because the rest of their
Speaker 1: non con schedule sucks.
Speaker 2: They had to have that one.
Speaker 3: I'll say it this year there'll be a turnhout too.
Speaker 3: I think Miszoo will get to at least twenty wins
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you think they're a lot better Mark Mitchell's
Speaker 1: ugly toping shot that went down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Yea the se season gauntlet. Uh, well,
Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see how they do.
Speaker 1: H forty percent from the floor, thirty five percent from three,
Speaker 1: eighty two percent from the line, and plus eleven on
Speaker 1: the glass. Those should be wins against just about anybody,
Speaker 1: but the offensive rebounding that was a problem against Creighton.
Speaker 1: Kansas did get sixteen of its thirty eight misses back
Speaker 1: in this game, so that was better, But they had
Speaker 1: twenty two turnovers.
Speaker 2: That's what sunk them. They couldn't. I mean just just that.
Speaker 2: I think a D.
Speaker 1: Plus first half and Kansas probably wins that game. Instead,
Speaker 1: they had an F minus first half, and it was
Speaker 1: just a little bit too much for them to come back.
Speaker 1: Almost the biggest comeback in school history would have been
Speaker 1: by six points. I think they their biggest comeback ever
Speaker 1: is eighteen against Missouri or nineteen against Missouri. They were
Speaker 1: down twenty four, so it would have been five points
Speaker 1: better than that. Any lasting takeaways from this game, here's mine.
Speaker 1: Two games, two losses.
Speaker 2: A horrible week.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm at this point my eyeballs that I've
Speaker 1: talked about this team for ten years. I don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of answers to the questions in the short term.
Speaker 1: But they have a coach that I trust to figure
Speaker 1: it out quicker than I otherwise thought it was possible.
Speaker 1: So I still think they're They're the favorite in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, and I still think they're gonna win thirty
Speaker 1: games this year. But I can see all the riding
Speaker 1: and the stars telling me, did you see last year?
Speaker 1: This is just let this is just more depth on
Speaker 1: an otherwise similar problem, because the fundamental fit around three
Speaker 1: non shooters is really really tough to make up for,
Speaker 1: and self's not playing the guys that would help you
Speaker 1: best make up for that.
Speaker 2: What say you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I think you're staring down the barrel at
Speaker 3: a very slightly better version of last year's team, potentially
Speaker 3: now obviously plenty of time to figure that out. I
Speaker 3: do think they're deeper and theoretically more talented than they
Speaker 3: were last year.
Speaker 4: That can go a long way. But I these two
Speaker 4: losses are exactly two losses.
Speaker 1: They would have taken last year, Like and man, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I skipped over that, by the way, I skipped over that,
Speaker 1: by the way. Their last nine road games l l
Speaker 1: L L L win at Porter Moosers Oklahoma team l
Speaker 1: L L, and they have gotten slammed more often than
Speaker 1: not in those games. The Houston game last year they
Speaker 1: lost by thirty.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Creighton game was never a contest. They went down
Speaker 1: big against who railed them last year on the road
Speaker 1: where we were just like, I can't believe I'm watching this.
Speaker 1: I who was multiple teams and obviously Missouri built a
Speaker 1: huge lead on Oh it was Texas Tech. That game
Speaker 1: in Lubbock was just a roadkill in the making game,
Speaker 1: like they have gotten steamrolled more often than they've even
Speaker 1: been in a game.
Speaker 2: At the end, let alone won it.
Speaker 4: Cam.
Speaker 1: What are your final thoughts from Kansas going into Columbia
Speaker 1: and losing to oh for It?
Speaker 2: Because you know we love it so much? They earned
Speaker 2: this right there we go? Yeah, yeah, pretty bad week
Speaker 2: overall dump of a week. Team will figure it out.
Speaker 2: Speaking of dumps, here's your random fact of the week
Speaker 2: on it t P. Did you guys know that when
Speaker 2: bears get ready to hibernate for the winter, they eat
Speaker 2: up a bunch of sticks so they can't poop, and
Speaker 2: then when they wake up from hibernation they take a
Speaker 2: really painful deuce and that's probably why they're really mad. Really,
Speaker 2: you could have just made that up, And I'm nodding
Speaker 2: my head like sticks. Wouldn't eating sticks potentially cause problems
Speaker 2: like that? Well, it plugs up their body, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: plugs up their got to get there first, correct, It's
Speaker 2: a bear. I mean they're they're mad for a reason.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a bear that wakes up from hibernation?
Speaker 4: I know because I.
Speaker 1: Don't live I don't live where Landing once, which is
Speaker 1: the middle of Montana.
Speaker 2: But no, not they're mad. They're they're mad because they
Speaker 2: know they know a poop is coming. Are our boy
Speaker 2: at Wayne at Wayne Kerr. It's not actually at Wayne Kerr,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna call him at Wayne.
Speaker 1: Kerr has a asked RCB about the bears, and he's
Speaker 1: also mad because of the bears, just.
Speaker 2: A different, different question. So we will get there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, two games two L's two sad Landing's hopefully, uh,
Speaker 1: hopefully we got we have some time before that.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, you know what, I was wrong.
Speaker 2: I I just fact checked myself. They don't eat sticks,
Speaker 2: but they do eat a variety of materials in the
Speaker 2: weeks leading up to hibernation to make a fecal plug,
Speaker 2: so I was kind of correct.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this, this sticks sound like they
Speaker 1: could cause a lot of problems going down, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna essentially.
Speaker 2: Just because their bears doesn't mean I guarantee you a
Speaker 2: bear who sticks. I guarantee you. Yeah, they're like twigs.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you. A bear at one point or another
Speaker 2: in society has gone. You know what things are rough?
Speaker 2: I'm a bear. I'm gonna eat a stick and they
Speaker 2: probably ate a stick and they woke up mad then
Speaker 2: slaughtered a village of small children in West Africa or wherever.
Speaker 2: It's how work the greatest film of the Yeah, wherever
Speaker 2: Bear's life. If National Geographic ever wants a on field reporter,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. You're down, all right? All right?
Speaker 1: Well, as we get into Big Twelve games, guys, I
Speaker 1: know that you're sad about the Jayhawks, but I have
Speaker 1: something that will make your week so much better.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Big Twelve came out of their battle with the
Speaker 1: Big East as victors six.
Speaker 2: Wins to five. Oklahoma State vs.
Speaker 1: Seaton Hall was the deciding game and the Cowboys came
Speaker 1: out with a victory for the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the now it doesn't feel better. No,
Speaker 2: And that's like a preview of the first round of
Speaker 2: the CBI Invitational at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there are two horrible teams, but the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve did get a win. Now, can we be forever
Speaker 1: done with this big East battle. It is so not interesting.
Speaker 4: Deeply boring stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ever since Kyle Neptune ruined Villanova, it sucks. Also
Speaker 2: deeply boring.
Speaker 1: Landon is Kansas State and Coleman Hawkins. They're two million
Speaker 1: dollar man. Tell me all about their fun week.
Speaker 3: Boring unless you hate k State, which some among us do.
Speaker 3: They got smashed eighty eight seventy one on the road
Speaker 3: at Saint John's for their third loss of the young season.
Speaker 3: Their six wins are Wait for this gauntlet schedule, folks,
Speaker 3: you'll be impressed. New Orleans, Cleveland State, Mississippi Valley State,
Speaker 3: George Washington, the President, not the school Longwood insert joke here,
Speaker 3: emphasis on insert and Arkansas Pine Bluff. Former Jayhawk Zuobi
Speaker 3: Edgy four had twenty eight and thirteen in The wild
Speaker 3: Cat's Lost cam or the Wildcats bad?
Speaker 4: Do they suck?
Speaker 2: I actually think they are bad. Maybe it's just a
Speaker 2: I think they're not good. I don't see it. I
Speaker 2: don't think that The roster jels and we joke about
Speaker 2: we talk about Kansas roster not jelling. If if you're losing,
Speaker 2: just gonna say easy, yeah, if you're I I.
Speaker 1: Think Kansas State's problems are similar to Kansas Is, just
Speaker 1: on a much less talented scale because they have not
Speaker 1: enough to as it could be good on paper they have.
Speaker 1: They had a great uh, Doug McDaniel was really good
Speaker 1: at Michigan. Coleman Hawkins was really good at Illinois, and
Speaker 1: yet somehow it just doesn't Gell Coleman Hawkins is making
Speaker 1: as much as Hunter Dickinson this year and he's our
Speaker 1: fourth leading scorer, Like, and boy, that's gonna get the donors.
Speaker 2: That's gonna get that. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I loved Kansas State's roster, but it's just not getting
Speaker 1: the results.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: Kansas State hasn't been very good since, said Jerome Tang
Speaker 1: had that weird postgame press where he said that Taman
Speaker 1: Lipsey's the biggest flopper in the Big twelve. They've been
Speaker 1: really bad since that's too bad. The only thing I
Speaker 1: can think of them doing since that game was Jerome
Speaker 1: Tang showing up the young lady who was mopping the
Speaker 1: floor at the T Mobile Center and showing her how
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was so tech, that was so cringey.
Speaker 1: Well, Jerome Tang might be a loser, cam, but there
Speaker 1: were plenty of other Big Twelve losers to go around
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Tell me about them. Yeah, Utah lost to Oh Saint
Speaker 2: Mary at home. Uh, Texas Tech, thank you Tech. Texas
Speaker 2: Tech lost by five to number twenty two Texas A
Speaker 2: and M on a neutral floor. TCU lost to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2: I'm the same years for floor in the next game. Guys.
Speaker 2: Is this league extremely overrated and mid landon seems that
Speaker 2: way early on?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Kind of.
Speaker 1: Iowa State has been the only team that has come
Speaker 1: close to their preseason expectations thus far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much nailed it.
Speaker 1: Baylor's been disappointing, Houston's got three losses. Kansas State has
Speaker 1: been a disaster, Arizona has been a disaster times five.
Speaker 2: Kansas has had a.
Speaker 1: Horrible week after a good start. Like Yeah, the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve has been pretty disappointing, but it might be better
Speaker 1: next year because BYU got the number one overall recruit.
Speaker 1: That's right, the Mormons, they got the number one recruit. A. J. T.
Speaker 1: Bonsta announced that he will give up doctor Pepper, mild
Speaker 1: obscenities and sexual intercourse for his one year while he
Speaker 1: cashes checks and hoops with the Mormons. I was about
Speaker 1: to keep reading, but I will stop because somehow what
Speaker 1: I just said was not nearly as bad as what
Speaker 1: Cam has written. But yes, Cam, you are correct, it
Speaker 1: is it. He will he will stand out on their campus.
Speaker 1: To say the least. I've heard that the starting lineup
Speaker 1: next year is Debonsta, Dallan, Dallen, Dallen.
Speaker 2: And Dallen. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, I have been able to go to heaven according
Speaker 3: to Mormon theology as of nineteen sixty something.
Speaker 2: Wait, what that's something? Hey?
Speaker 1: Really Whenever he said, they asked him why does he
Speaker 1: want to go there? And he's like, well, the culture's
Speaker 1: great and the school's great.
Speaker 2: No, Bud, it's just money.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to say money like the reason gidding's theirs.
Speaker 1: And that's fine, totally cool if that's what you're doing
Speaker 1: at this point, but let's not act like that. That
Speaker 1: was like, that's not the big reason North Carolina and
Speaker 1: Kansas lost out to BYU.
Speaker 2: And a basketball recruit. That's interesting, right, teams? Oh no,
Speaker 2: we still have to do other games, the non Big
Speaker 2: twelve games. We forget that they exist.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the best game of the week and probably the
Speaker 1: best win of the week was in Seattle, as number
Speaker 1: four Kentucky shook off a sixteen point halftime deficit like
Speaker 1: it was nothing.
Speaker 2: See bill.
Speaker 1: Sometimes teams can come back to force overtime with number
Speaker 1: seven Gonzaga, and they wound up taking down the Bulldogs
Speaker 1: ninety to eighty nine and a great basketball game. Gonzaga
Speaker 1: had a chance to win with four seconds left, they
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot off. They turned the ball over.
Speaker 1: Mark Pope out coached Mark Few and Andrew Carr scored
Speaker 1: nineteen points as the Wildcats now have two signature wins
Speaker 1: thus far in the young season. Really nice win for Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I know that that Gonzaga already has wins over Baylor
Speaker 1: and who else they beat. They just beat somebody else
Speaker 1: that was pretty good the other day.
Speaker 2: Who they beat it was? It was Baylor and who Indiana?
Speaker 2: I guess if you want to count.
Speaker 1: But they're getting ready to speaking of Bears hybernating for
Speaker 1: two and a half months, they're getting ready to do
Speaker 1: that by playing WCC games until the tournament. So maybe
Speaker 1: one see chance is already over with this loss, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Disappointing for Gonzaga.
Speaker 4: They should have won Kentucky's kind of good.
Speaker 3: I know they lost to Clemson and the sec Is Gauntlet,
Speaker 3: but I think Kentucky's a little better than maybe they were.
Speaker 4: Expected to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Pope coacher than we expected him to be. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 3: Number five Marquette predictably beat number eleven Wisconsin eighty eight
Speaker 3: seventy four behind thirty two points from Cam Jones. Who's
Speaker 3: the best guard in America. I actually have no way
Speaker 3: to know if that's true. That's what Ryan's probably true
Speaker 3: based on thirty two points. Shaka Smart has more hair
Speaker 3: now than he ever has.
Speaker 4: I have to google this in a minute since I've
Speaker 4: seen the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his hair is he's reverse aging. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: like Bosley and and Rogane and everything, or just just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what his secrets are.
Speaker 1: Maybe having a lot of money is his secret to
Speaker 1: having his hair come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are we in Shaka with hair or Shaka No
Speaker 4: Hair camp? Which which one are we subscribing to him?
Speaker 1: I think the Shaka with hair because oh see no
Speaker 1: hair beat I I I that was the worst day
Speaker 1: of my Kansas fandom watching shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shaka with no hair? I can't say that. I
Speaker 2: just say, his nose looks funny with no hair, like
Speaker 2: it's more pronounced. He looks like a muppet. He's got
Speaker 2: have you seen?
Speaker 1: He's got two big cross tattoos on his hands, like
Speaker 1: on the top of his hand, which is a very
Speaker 1: interesting place for a single tattoo. And it sounds ungodly painful,
Speaker 1: no pun intended, ungodly painful to get across tattoo on
Speaker 1: top of your hand.
Speaker 4: Uh, I have a I know a guy who has
Speaker 4: tattoos on the inside of his hands.
Speaker 2: Ouch.
Speaker 1: I no, not can't imagine that there is nothing but
Speaker 1: nerves there exactly.
Speaker 3: I specifically asked him about it and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was the most painful thing I've ever done.
Speaker 2: So terrible.
Speaker 4: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: What are what?
Speaker 1: What does one get tattooed on the inside of their hands?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: On one hand, it is a open bird cage and
Speaker 4: on the other hand it's a dove key.
Speaker 1: All right, interesting, Okay, I get it. It's it feels
Speaker 1: like the sort of thing that uh that that I
Speaker 1: question if it was worth the pain. But you know what,
Speaker 1: who am I to judge? Sounds cool to me? I'm
Speaker 1: a tattoos guy. Nick's not I am uh.
Speaker 3: This guy is covered in tattoos and he says that
Speaker 3: none of them are worth it, and he would not
Speaker 3: recommend anyone get them anymore.
Speaker 2: So interesting, hilarious. Yeah. If there were one man that
Speaker 2: I would think would have like a bird cage and
Speaker 2: a dove tattooed on his body would be Brian Haney,
Speaker 2: and then he'd read a poem and then have that
Speaker 2: tattooed underneath the bird. God. Brian freaking Hany, just the
Speaker 2: freaking worst. Yeah. Speaking of worst, number twenty North Carolina,
Speaker 2: they suck. They barely eked out at a conference opening,
Speaker 2: went over Georgia Tech at home under their glue sniffing
Speaker 2: coach Hubert Davis, sixty eight to sixty five. They were
Speaker 2: very close to being four and five through nine games.
Speaker 2: Kansas win over those guys, turns out and not that great.
Speaker 2: M Hey, It's at least at least they smashed them.
Speaker 1: At least they didn't have to like hold them off
Speaker 1: and rally to beat them after a horrible second half. Right,
Speaker 1: My coach hasn't had any bad halfs this year. They
Speaker 1: are just consistent and smooth the whole way through.
Speaker 2: Tons of offense.
Speaker 4: Consistent and smooth in the first I can't believe I
Speaker 4: picked that game of the week.
Speaker 3: Louisville actually led it half against Duke, but couldn't finish
Speaker 3: the job. Seventy six sixty five for the Blue Devil's
Speaker 3: Cooper flag had twenty points. I picked Louisville because I'm smart.
Speaker 3: Is Duke's favorite to win the ACC? I think they
Speaker 3: probably are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the favorite to win the whole thing, don't ask. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's there. It's not Miami Duke.
Speaker 1: Duke in February is gonna be nasty, like I that's
Speaker 1: Kansas is when over. Duke is gonna look even better
Speaker 1: as the year goes along. And I hope I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: and I think Shier will screw it up, but man,
Speaker 1: that team's gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to complete different orders now, so
Speaker 1: just I'll roll with it. Other results, you see an
Speaker 1: upset Number twelve Oregon and Pac twelve. Just kidding, Big
Speaker 1: ten play. The score was seventy three seventy one. That
Speaker 1: was the Ducks first loss of the season. Number sixteen
Speaker 1: Memphis lost at home to Arkansas, and I can't believe
Speaker 1: it's Penny Hardaway early season special and number fourteen Cincinnati
Speaker 1: only beat Howard by seventeen, which I think by rule,
Speaker 1: if you beat Howard by less than twenty you should
Speaker 1: get a loss.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaking of being unburdened by what has been done,
Speaker 2: three days after scoring twenty six points on Kansas, subtract
Speaker 2: eight from twenty six. That is an age of consent.
Speaker 2: Just for Pop Isaacs listening, he was declared out for
Speaker 2: the year with season ending hip surgery. Create and beat UNLV,
Speaker 2: but played next plays at number seven Alabama and can't
Speaker 2: get anywhere near healthy. Just think Pop did all that
Speaker 2: to Bill with Grandpa hips sad, unbelievable. It reads like
Speaker 2: a Trump tweet, sad, sad, all caps.
Speaker 3: Oh and here's the seated If I did that game
Speaker 3: of the Week, I picked Rodney Terry to beat Dan
Speaker 3: Hurley because oh man, that's bad.
Speaker 4: This proceeded to get bent over by Nuber.
Speaker 2: Twenty five on.
Speaker 3: The final score was seventy six to sixty five, which
Speaker 3: is with also the score of Duke Louisville.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 3: But the Huskies jumped to a twenty two to six
Speaker 3: lead and led by double digits for the rest of
Speaker 3: the game. Kansas cannot relate to losing to a big
Speaker 3: E school by a lot of points early.
Speaker 4: Backwards.
Speaker 1: This a Texas ing well first and second. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be just fine. I know you're not a big
Speaker 1: donovanklinging guy, and they're not gonna be as good as
Speaker 1: they were the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: But they're a top fifteen team. They're good. Yeah, they'll
Speaker 2: be fine. By the way, guys, I don't know if
Speaker 2: if any guys have this game on. Arkansas is currently
Speaker 2: just flame throwing Michigan out of the gym right now.
Speaker 2: They're going to hang one hundred on Michigan.
Speaker 1: That game was, that game was tied at halftime, and
Speaker 1: now Arkansas like they started the second half with like
Speaker 1: like nine o the first ten baskets.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this, uh, this is what Michigan does.
Speaker 2: It kind of is. By the way, Juwan Howard is
Speaker 2: in attendance.
Speaker 1: That's who wouldn't want him to be there because who's
Speaker 1: their coach. It's the it's the it's the Dusty may
Speaker 1: Owl's guy. Right, it's Dusty may now right. Yeah, that's well,
Speaker 1: he's about to get his first loss, which it happens
Speaker 1: to everybody, but it doesn't always happen to see. We
Speaker 1: were typing this the sports, the sports franchise that I
Speaker 1: root for, the sports university I rooted for, never has
Speaker 1: problems with Arkansas, and the soundboard is just not there.
Speaker 1: There's that and also lance one for each but Brandon
Speaker 1: Schneyder doesn't get one beat.
Speaker 2: He beat them yay, and I t who uh lose? No,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that cam. Oh you don't want to
Speaker 2: take it, all right?
Speaker 1: The second show in a row, hence the sad Landing's
Speaker 1: number one, they lost to Missouri and then.
Speaker 2: Landon wrote something very not nice about Bill. I definitely
Speaker 2: do need that, poor poor Bill.
Speaker 4: Number seven in Zaga they lost to Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Number eleven Wisconsin lost to Harry Shaka. I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Number twelve Oregons lost to UCLA.
Speaker 3: Man, imagine being able to beat Gonzaga or organ Huh
Speaker 3: what a concept they stop? Or this next team stop.
Speaker 3: Number fourteen Michigan lost to Arkansas. Two teams I would
Speaker 3: have no idea how to defeat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, well, Kansas did beat Memphis at one time.
Speaker 2: Memphis lost to Arkansas State. I had to do a
Speaker 2: double take there.
Speaker 1: Good good week for Arkansas schools, I guess, and number
Speaker 1: nineteen Illinois lost Northwestern. The Big Ten is going to
Speaker 1: be what it always is, which is all these these
Speaker 1: nineteen and twelve teams are.
Speaker 2: They all gonna get eight seeds?
Speaker 1: You get an eight seed, and you get an eight seed.
Speaker 1: It's basically tom Izzo the Holy get You know that
Speaker 1: the Spider Man pointing at spider Man meme. It should
Speaker 1: somebody should make tom Izzo pointing at tom Izzo.
Speaker 2: That's the Big Ten. I think they are good, though unfortunately.
Speaker 2: I think Michigan State is good. But I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see them losing the round to thirty two after
Speaker 2: everyone talks about a penis a month. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And there's a very funny meme that's now in the
Speaker 1: notes says Landon is now seven games off, seven games
Speaker 1: off the leader. Landon venturing deeper, deeper and deeper to
Speaker 1: the to a point of no return. Better start getting
Speaker 1: some games, right sir.
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Landa does. For all of our listeners out there,
Speaker 2: Landa does look like Hunter Dickinson a little bit. It's
Speaker 2: it's uncanny.
Speaker 1: I've said that for years and like Hunter Dickinson, lanta.
Speaker 2: Is, you'd probably get more Hunter Dickinson, I would like
Speaker 2: to think.
Speaker 1: So I've watched Cam shoot free throws, you would make
Speaker 1: more free throws.
Speaker 2: And he too. That's I mean, that's also is a
Speaker 2: good I can't hear Ryan at all. I think I
Speaker 2: think we killed Ryan. Oh how the heck did the
Speaker 2: mike get muted? I've been over here to given my
Speaker 2: two sees. I hope you guys didn't even get to
Speaker 2: hear it. I hope this. I hope that makes it
Speaker 2: out of the cut of the show, because this show
Speaker 2: is on par for how the show has met today.
Speaker 2: Just a colossal train wrecking, a sad, sad loss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what I said was, I've seen Cam shoot
Speaker 1: free throws. He would make more than Hunter Dickinson. Cam's
Speaker 1: a good.
Speaker 2: Basketball probably, No, I'm a good shooter. There's a big
Speaker 2: difference if you put me on the court, all good shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah basketball, Yeah, like there's a big difference. I'd be
Speaker 2: I'd be a heck of a walk on guy that
Speaker 2: they feel bad. You guys know, have no chance.
Speaker 1: You guys would be on the bench, they'd be exactly
Speaker 1: could not get any action.
Speaker 2: There's no room in the inn, but you can sleep
Speaker 2: in the stable and be born as Jesus Christ, which
Speaker 2: is what Remy Martin did. So you know that's how
Speaker 2: it goes.
Speaker 1: Oh, and Twitter has come full circle because I was
Speaker 1: I will forever remember where I was. We were in
Speaker 1: Orlando during the Kansas Missouri game, and I'm carrying this
Speaker 1: big stupid iPad around a mall. At one o'clock on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Kansas get blasted by Missouri. And at one point I
Speaker 1: was standing in the as my wife was looking as
Speaker 1: my wife was looking for Christmas gifts for a couple
Speaker 1: of kids that we know, and I was standing in
Speaker 1: the in the Crayola ornament section when somebody tweeted at
Speaker 1: me that I should never compare the bums that Bill
Speaker 1: self put.
Speaker 2: On this roster to Remy Martin.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, wow, from full circle, because I used
Speaker 1: to say Remy Martin should play and people would tell
Speaker 1: me they would make it sound like he doesn't even
Speaker 1: have any right to put on the hollowed sacred jersey
Speaker 1: that says Kansas. And now when I say Rylan Griffin's
Speaker 1: got a play bill, he's your off the bench guy.
Speaker 1: I remember Remy was pretty good at that, and people
Speaker 1: are like, well, Remy could play defense. I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: how I have not forgotten the tweets from three years ago.
Speaker 3: I love I love how somehow, whether just the stereotype
Speaker 3: or true, that a player's ability to play defense is
Speaker 3: the only relevant piece of information.
Speaker 2: To whether yeah or not. I think that might be.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, obviously Marcus Garrett is the greatest player since
Speaker 3: Will Yeah at Kansas basketball, Oh, Ben, anything but that?
Speaker 1: All right, let's do ask RCB. So this will be
Speaker 1: interesting because we normally know what the questions are gonna
Speaker 1: look like. Following a loss, they're normally a little panicky.
Speaker 1: But now they've lost two in a row, so I'm
Speaker 1: expecting everybody's basically gonna.
Speaker 2: Be slamming down that panic button. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go rapid fire through these because we
Speaker 1: got a lot of these. Everybody wants to know about
Speaker 1: kJ Everyone wants to know a lot of basketball. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we have nonsense and sometimes we have basketball. Well, we
Speaker 1: have a lot of basketball.
Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you basketball questions. You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: answer them, and then whenever you need a break, I
Speaker 1: have one question that is very much so not basketball.
Speaker 1: So whenever time and I'll hit, I'll hit you with
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be get at Mayo Zeke Berner. If Bill
Speaker 1: self was not suspended to start twenty two twenty three,
Speaker 1: would it have affected Grady Dick? But yourself would have
Speaker 1: auto benched him. It seems like that's the only news
Speaker 1: that has not been given up, that has not had
Speaker 1: a hard time to start, and that's because Norman Roberts
Speaker 1: was his coach.
Speaker 2: I mean, funny tweet, but no. And also John Caliperry
Speaker 2: is peeing down his leg right now. And Michigan's on
Speaker 2: a ten oh run.
Speaker 1: We just read Michigan as a ranked team to lose.
Speaker 2: Since the last I played. You might need to play
Speaker 2: some music.
Speaker 1: This is gonna come down to the wire because if anyone,
Speaker 1: Grady Dick is the best freshman that has played at
Speaker 1: Kansas since Josh Jackson. He was a lottery pick, crazy
Speaker 1: and he was so so good in non con like
Speaker 1: Grady Dick in non conference was borderline all American.
Speaker 2: He tapered off a little bit in conference play like
Speaker 2: and we knew when I mean, yeah, he had to play.
Speaker 1: But there there are guys that that we've seen that
Speaker 1: you could compare guys like Aj Store to that we
Speaker 1: don't feel like.
Speaker 2: Have gotten the necessarily the fair start at Travis ninety nine.
Speaker 1: As much as I want to blame Bill Solf, can
Speaker 1: we admit that Aj Store fouls himself out of most
Speaker 1: games because he's always in a bad defensive position.
Speaker 2: Yes, he fouls way too much. Defense has not been
Speaker 2: good so far? Yeah, pretty good, take Devil's advocate. You
Speaker 2: could also Bill selfer that yes, so true.
Speaker 1: He could be in AJ's brain a little too much
Speaker 1: at batflip punch out what changes need to be made
Speaker 1: to the offense that generate more three point attempts and
Speaker 1: makes what is it going to make play?
Speaker 2: Three point play are big?
Speaker 1: And that the gift in this is it's just a
Speaker 1: rotating three that says three is the magic number. Well, sir,
Speaker 1: you've come to the right place, because rock Chalk Blog
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest proponent of any of the major
Speaker 1: Kansas pro fan accounts in the sense that I'm always
Speaker 1: clamoring for more threes. I'm always wanting more offense at
Speaker 1: the expensive defense and I have a lot of people
Speaker 1: tell me that there's more to basketball than just shooting
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 2: I disagree. I look at Nato.
Speaker 1: It's the thing you can just outscore most of yours.
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about a lot of that
Speaker 1: other stuff. Yes, they need to shoot more threes, my gosh,
Speaker 1: especially with his roster, Rylan and AJ need to let
Speaker 1: it rip.
Speaker 4: Agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want a team of Kyle Korver's.
Speaker 1: That would be a lot of fun. Too bad that
Speaker 1: that would never happen with Bill self. At Bob Rockchalk,
Speaker 1: at what point do Kj's minutes get limited? All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's actual? And then at rock Chalk eighty four
Speaker 1: says could you shoot a better baseline jumper than kJ Adams?
Speaker 1: Here's my take, And you can laugh at me all
Speaker 1: the way to the bank on this one, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a take.
Speaker 2: I think I'm right.
Speaker 1: Bill self gave a lot of people the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt last year and it didn't work. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's doing it again this year. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna have the same season.
Speaker 2: Happened back to back.
Speaker 1: If he has anything to say, fair enough, fair enough,
Speaker 1: But here's my take, kJ Adams minute starts to go down,
Speaker 1: and Bill self realizes that he's got to hurt some
Speaker 1: feelings to get this team where he needs to get it.
Speaker 2: At least that's what I'm gonna beout on happening.
Speaker 4: That's what should happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, emphasis on should, and no one wants.
Speaker 4: To say anything else.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna leave it as a cliffhanger on.
Speaker 2: I'm I am literal, I'm so absorbed by watching this
Speaker 2: John Caliperry team poop down their leg that I I
Speaker 2: just I lost all all sense of time.
Speaker 1: Now we may have to pull up, We may have
Speaker 1: to pull a two thousand election and retract a call
Speaker 1: that which is why we should never. I guess trust
Speaker 1: Cam whenever he comes running in here and he's like, guys,
Speaker 1: Michigan is beating the brick, he's getting the breaks beat off.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well they were stop that was up by
Speaker 2: like eighteen. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: It was like eighty to sixty two at Show Me Hawk.
Speaker 1: What a nightmare week for Kansas. They have three Horde
Speaker 1: halves in one week and are already own two on
Speaker 1: the road. Do you think this team will figure it out?
Speaker 1: What will their final road record.
Speaker 2: Be Oh boy, how many road games? They have? Nine left?
Speaker 2: And they're all league games.
Speaker 1: It's twenty it's twenty game big twelve seasons, so ten
Speaker 1: ten road games. I'll say they go seven. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: say they go six and four on the road and
Speaker 1: undefeated at home. So that puts them six and six
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go four and eight on the road.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I hope you're wrong. I'm gonna go in between.
Speaker 2: I'll go five and seven.
Speaker 1: Hey, five and seven sounds a little familiar, sir. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to put my finger on what number could mean
Speaker 1: about Kansas.
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wait, Jalen Daniels. No, I don't want you raising Canes.
Speaker 2: I just want you to beat you and l V Hey.
Speaker 3: Oh so sad hardboard cutout of Jalen Daniels and every
Speaker 3: Canes in the case area paid for all five of
Speaker 3: those wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that seems like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of those teams beat were really good too.
Speaker 1: This is not talking about the losses at Bentley Hunt fifteen.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot of panic at the moment, But
Speaker 1: do you think maybe it's a good thing that the
Speaker 1: spiral happens now, so they have time to correct it.
Speaker 1: It feels like last year when things they corrected, their
Speaker 1: time to fix it before March came knocking. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: more or less true. Like and also look at the schedule,
Speaker 1: you like, realistically, we couldn't have expected this team to start,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve and oher or whatever. They were likely
Speaker 1: going to be losses. If the losses were Duke in
Speaker 1: Michigan State and they had beaten crighton in Missouri, they
Speaker 1: had the same record, but maybe the same problems and
Speaker 1: maybe it feels different, you know, I don't know. Let's
Speaker 1: let's see them beat in North Carolina State, right, surely
Speaker 1: they won't lose another one.
Speaker 3: Also, last year was more a case of like the
Speaker 3: wicked Witch melting before our eyes rather than like problems
Speaker 3: at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a year that was a seventeen and
Speaker 1: three start that just then went straight into the litter box.
Speaker 2: I think a year there's a lot of denial, Like
Speaker 2: he's starting with the UCF loss. Everyone was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just I don't know, it's completely normal
Speaker 2: to lose in Orlando to a basketball team that sucks.
Speaker 2: That's fine, and then like they can go to I think, yeah, boy, they.
Speaker 1: Lost the game in Orlando, and I remember Landon coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast and being like, hmm, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: starting out, and I was like, this guy.
Speaker 2: Doesn't know Bill's self.
Speaker 1: Just watch They're all one seed, no issues, We'll just
Speaker 1: go We'll just watch them go play West Virginia. Oh,
Speaker 1: and then that happened, and I think I ran it
Speaker 1: back and was like, Bill, you know, February's.
Speaker 3: Is the time you almost ran it back after b YU.
Speaker 3: We had to talk you down from like Ryan, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's mid February, this is over.
Speaker 2: And then we still all picked him to Beacon Zaga, which.
Speaker 4: He used to write to pick Cincinnati without that is
Speaker 4: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see that not happen again
Speaker 2: this year at Brooks Asaurus forty one. Good name.
Speaker 1: Why won't Bill self ender? Having four out an Hunter
Speaker 1: without kJ one zeke right, sure gives you the best chance.
Speaker 2: That's I mean.
Speaker 4: NA tournament music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a document inside of allen Field House
Speaker 2: that says that's illegal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there there's a reason that that they absolutely can't
Speaker 1: do that, and it's because kJ provides a hustle, even
Speaker 1: though the lineup you presented is absolutely their highest ceiling lineup,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent at J H. Bernard, did something happen
Speaker 1: during halftime or during the game that led to Mayo
Speaker 1: and Griffin riding the bench? I mean, we read you
Speaker 1: Griffin's minutes. They're going down by the game. Mayo is
Speaker 1: not being bench very much. He's playing like Mayo, Griffin
Speaker 1: and Store. Mayo's playing a ton and the other two
Speaker 1: are very inconsistent. Mao's minutes are not inconsistent.
Speaker 3: Store and Griffin have been bad on defense, which, whether
Speaker 3: you think that's right or wrong, is the reason they're
Speaker 3: not playing.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, and that's it. It's not because of what
Speaker 2: they're doing on offense. I mean yeah, and that's just
Speaker 2: another reason for me to bang my head against the table, because, yeah,
Speaker 2: it turns out you can't win a game when you
Speaker 2: score sixty three points and you give up seventy whatever
Speaker 2: it was, or however many points it scored. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's late.
Speaker 1: Well, I I'm surprised you guys haven't tapped out sixty
Speaker 1: seven points.
Speaker 2: Nonsense question. But here here, I'm excited for that and intervene.
Speaker 1: Here here comes your nonsense question at Ryan underscore Landras,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the Rainforest cafe.
Speaker 2: You take this, you take the.
Speaker 3: Everyone should go watch Eddie Burback's video on him visiting
Speaker 3: all the rainforest cafes. And then, if you're like man,
Speaker 3: I wish there was a sequel video to this with
Speaker 3: the more tropical theme here and luck because you should
Speaker 3: also watch the hour long Eddie Burback What.
Speaker 4: Time is it? Sponsor?
Speaker 3: I would love to be sponsored by Eddie if that
Speaker 3: was everthing that Eddie rocks. I've never actually been to
Speaker 3: Rainforest Cafe, only watched the Eddie Burback video.
Speaker 4: But Ryan, you've been.
Speaker 1: That's I've been to four rainforest cafes and I've been
Speaker 1: to two Margaritavilles too, just like you can't go to
Speaker 1: Orlando and not go to both. At some point, Sir,
Speaker 1: Margeritaville is actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: Rainforest Cafe is only good if you like having intestinal
Speaker 2: pain three hours after you eat said food. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: used to be one.
Speaker 1: For those of you who live in the Kansas City area,
Speaker 1: there used to be a Rainforest Cafe in the Oak
Speaker 1: Park Mall, and that would be like my reward, like
Speaker 1: if I would get a shot as like a four
Speaker 1: year old, my mom would take me to the Rainforest
Speaker 1: Cafe afterwards, and it was just a magical place. I
Speaker 1: remember being overwhelmed with amazement at the thunderstorms and the
Speaker 1: realistic looking snake that was hanging from the ceiling. And
Speaker 1: then Angie and I went to one and now Ashville
Speaker 1: after not having not gone for a while, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, the thunderstorms are kind of really annoying,
Speaker 1: and the hamburg the Safari fries.
Speaker 2: Kind of make my tummy hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1: But everybody's got to go to the Rainforest Cafe Landon, Well,
Speaker 1: we need to take you.
Speaker 2: That's where we're going for your birthday this year.
Speaker 4: Okay, done? So I'm so down.
Speaker 1: What's the closest rainforest cafe here? It's probably like Dallas
Speaker 1: or something. There's not one anywhere near here anymore.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be yeah, I don't know. Having not watched
Speaker 3: the video in a long time, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Hey, look at their schedule. Pick whether you want to
Speaker 1: see him losing fort Worth or you want to see
Speaker 1: him loosing Lubbick.
Speaker 2: And we'll stop at the Rainforest Cafe. On our way
Speaker 2: to watching them lose by sixteen whatever your preferred opponent
Speaker 2: is done.
Speaker 3: I'm so down for that. Oh there's one in Auburn Hills, Michigan.
Speaker 3: One we could we could go with you Cam, you
Speaker 3: could drive back.
Speaker 1: You guys could go before you fulfill your losing pick
Speaker 1: em beat Landon. That's the last meal is Safari fries
Speaker 1: in an Iggy's Piggy Sandwich.
Speaker 4: As God intended.
Speaker 2: I think your thoughts in the Rainforest Cafe, Paul Blart
Speaker 2: mall cop solidified that place as just an absolute valhalla
Speaker 2: for me because that man went into a tropical rainforest
Speaker 2: and just turned into Arnold Schwarzenegger terminator style, just kicking ass.
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, if you guys want to
Speaker 2: have a great way to decide who gets to enter
Speaker 2: the country illegally, you got to. You gotta find a
Speaker 2: way to get some of the people that are allegedly
Speaker 2: not here how they're supposed to be. You put them
Speaker 2: in a tropical rainforest cafe and it's a battle royale,
Speaker 2: and then whoever comes out on top stays.
Speaker 3: That is somehow the most controversial and most sensible thing
Speaker 3: we've ever said on the show.
Speaker 2: And that is why I can never run for public office.
Speaker 1: And all I want to know Cam is what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Safari Fries.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even know about that. I think I had, dude.
Speaker 2: I think the last time I ate there, I was
Speaker 2: like twelve, and I was just more excited for the scenery.
Speaker 2: But then like the thought of it, it's just a
Speaker 2: stupid chain Like it's a chain restaurant. There's like five
Speaker 2: of them, right, so it's kind of I don't know,
Speaker 2: sixty one dollars for two people the.
Speaker 1: Other day or whenever or the other day. You guys
Speaker 1: two months ago when we went there, I was like, Oh, that's.
Speaker 2: Not if if you had like a like, let's say
Speaker 2: you had some really you hypothetically you owed gambling debts
Speaker 2: to the mafia, not that I do, which I don't,
Speaker 2: but like they were after you and you had to
Speaker 2: survive twenty yeah, twenty four hours in a tropical rainforest
Speaker 2: cafe without being found. Do you think you could do it?
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. You just hide in those vines.
Speaker 1: The vines are endless, you just have to hide behind.
Speaker 1: And then it irritates me when they have tigers in
Speaker 1: the rainforest sir, leopards and jag.
Speaker 2: Or not leopards.
Speaker 1: Yeahs live in the rainforest. Tigers live in forests. There
Speaker 1: is a difference rainforest cafe.
Speaker 2: What are we doing here, dude? I what a tiger
Speaker 2: by They had anaconda. They don't live, they don't. That's
Speaker 2: the hemisphere. I feel like tropical rainforest cafe was just
Speaker 2: someone's idea that was really wrecked off of like mushrooms,
Speaker 2: and it worked. It worked for a while.
Speaker 1: They used to have like forty restaurants and now they're
Speaker 1: down to the final light twenty. Yeah, since that awesome
Speaker 1: video Land had mentioned, I think a close since then,
Speaker 1: But yes, that that definitely made if if you had
Speaker 1: a rainforest cafe on Google, that's one of the first things.
Speaker 2: I'd wear a gilly suit and just go to war
Speaker 2: like I'd be. I'd be just locked in in the
Speaker 2: vines and I'd build pipe bombs. Allegedly. Yeah, Mike, right now.
Speaker 1: Boxier basketball questions, because we have a few left here
Speaker 1: at Jayhawk n t N. I believe that this team
Speaker 1: only needs one more of the transfers to heat up
Speaker 1: to cure their problems. Zeke seems like the most likely
Speaker 1: come out of the funk. Aj seems to get lost
Speaker 1: on the high screens and Griffin just needs to be
Speaker 1: aggressive and go to the hoop I.
Speaker 2: Just need and it does all fix guys, if it
Speaker 2: just hits more fine, he's I mean, he's kind of right. Though.
Speaker 1: There's optimism from Jayhawk NTN that David Quoit's giving good
Speaker 1: minutes and has been better than expected, and you have that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: You need one more piece because you figure you get
Speaker 1: to get solid enough contribution. Whether it's unspectacular or not,
Speaker 1: it's another question. But Hunter kJ in to one. You
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get there, and you feel like
Speaker 1: you can get something from one of the other transfers
Speaker 1: in Kansas will be pretty good. Zeke Mayo was really
Speaker 1: good in the first couple of games in Kansas beat
Speaker 1: some good teams. Yeah, ever since, well, you know, Ryland,
Speaker 1: Griffin and aj Store were huge in the Duke win.
Speaker 1: They don't beat Duke without both those guys having great
Speaker 1: second halfs. They need that, obviously. That's the difference between
Speaker 1: wins and losses. At Rock Chuck, aj I teach middle
Speaker 1: school near the Saint Louis area and boys, the students
Speaker 1: and some staff let me have it.
Speaker 2: This week, I found pos and my notes, and I
Speaker 2: found bosers and notes in my class today.
Speaker 1: Please pray for me because I know it won't stop.
Speaker 1: And then there's a piece of paper that was left
Speaker 1: on his desk that says m I Z eight and
Speaker 1: left no crumbs z ou.
Speaker 2: That's that'd be a rough place. That's off. That'll be
Speaker 2: a rough week.
Speaker 1: But but hey, you know what, have you seen the
Speaker 1: all time stats in this rivalry? You're getting the laugh
Speaker 1: way more than they are.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming he has like a whiteboard in his classroom.
Speaker 2: So what he needs to do is he needs to
Speaker 2: walk into class the next day and just put up
Speaker 2: the all time standing in the biggest block letters that
Speaker 2: he can, and then ask the class what it is
Speaker 2: and just wait until they get it. It's a big number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I'm sure that the seven year olds
Speaker 1: in the middle school, seventh graders who weren't even alive
Speaker 1: when Kansas and Missouri were cross rivals, I'm sure they'll
Speaker 1: love the history there at Staggles fourteen. Seems like everyone
Speaker 1: on this app points the facing and kJ being the
Speaker 1: main issue with the offense. I agree that kJ is
Speaker 1: more of a defensive specialist. But I think the main
Speaker 1: issue is the transfer wings aren't playing well enough on
Speaker 1: either end to be able to keep kJ off the floor.
Speaker 1: What And that's that's a really interesting take. Maybe Self
Speaker 1: is willing to bench kJ more than we think if
Speaker 1: other guys show him something. Do you think if Ryland
Speaker 1: Griffin and aj Store were both playing great right now
Speaker 1: that we'd still be having this conversation, because I'm not
Speaker 1: sure we are now. I think Self is open to
Speaker 1: taking kJ out, but someone has to prove worthy of
Speaker 1: the spot.
Speaker 2: He's not going to take them out for potential. Do
Speaker 2: you think he's actually open to that?
Speaker 3: That's that's the part I'm not so sure about. I mean,
Speaker 3: there is an amount of truth to if like Store
Speaker 3: and Mayo were just completely locked in uh and and
Speaker 3: looks like the guys that they recruited here like there
Speaker 3: would at least be more clamoring to actively bench kJ.
Speaker 3: But I I do I do agree that I'm not
Speaker 3: so sure he's so open to that. But as the
Speaker 3: question askers kind of getting at, there's also been no
Speaker 3: one actively taking that spot, Like there's been no next
Speaker 3: man up to really take it in a practical way
Speaker 3: because Bill self does not play his team based on potential.
Speaker 1: He clearly trusts Zeke Mayo because Zekemeo is playing starter minutes.
Speaker 2: That leaves another for anybody that steps up and shows something.
Speaker 1: And then at the Irish Org taser, poor guy here says,
Speaker 1: woke up Sunday excited to watch an angry KU squad
Speaker 1: spank Missouri and then watch a revigorated squad with a
Speaker 1: new coach get off the schnide against a reeling and
Speaker 1: injured forty nine ers team. And was then met with
Speaker 1: this picture and it is Kansas down by a million,
Speaker 1: side by side with the total yards San Francisco three
Speaker 1: ten Chicago two graphic that they posted and the question
Speaker 1: Wayne kerr asks, why do I keep stabbing myself in
Speaker 1: the urethroat with that?
Speaker 2: You need to get checked out by a professional. Hey,
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams Man, I.
Speaker 1: Land They sat Landon and I argued about Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: just like we argued about Justin Herbert.
Speaker 2: They had negative five passing yards in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have it, Ye, He's not getting any help from
Speaker 1: his offensive line. It's terrible, But Caleb Williams has been
Speaker 1: very disappointing.
Speaker 2: He's not even been a.
Speaker 1: Top three rooky quarterback in his class, and he was
Speaker 1: considered to be the can't miss guy. Bo Nix is
Speaker 1: making him look foolish by comparison, granted better coaching. Matt Eberflus,
Speaker 1: I get it, but yeah, disappointing season for Kayleb Williams
Speaker 1: and a disappointing lie for Bears fans.
Speaker 2: Cam you're alliance fans, so I get it. Very little sympathy,
Speaker 2: but yeah, no, but it gets better as times.
Speaker 1: If you ever have Assdcarcb's used the Twitter hashtag ask RCB.
Speaker 2: Having all sorts of problems with the soundboard.
Speaker 1: So hopefully that's the last time we need it, just
Speaker 1: like hopefully that's the last time we're talking about a loss.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see any more sad Lambdon's in
Speaker 1: the notes, And as long as they hold SIRB at
Speaker 1: Allen Field House, it'll be a while before we see
Speaker 1: another one. North Carolina State at number ten, Kansas not
Speaker 1: one ten Now Saturday, December the fourteenth, two fifteen pm.
Speaker 2: It's on ESPN and Landon. You'll be there. Look at
Speaker 2: you nice? Yeah? Taking your grandma, that's that she's she's
Speaker 2: a blast to take the KU games.
Speaker 4: You just may have to.
Speaker 1: You may have to remind her to to to grab
Speaker 1: her phone before you guys leave the car. She forgets
Speaker 1: that sometimes, but she won't forget what time.
Speaker 2: Tip off is.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: The North Carolina State wolf Pack enter at six and three.
Speaker 1: They started five and oh uh, fresh off a Final
Speaker 1: four season that saw essentially an entire reboot following declares
Speaker 1: to the draft and transfer portal. They have only won
Speaker 1: one game since Thanksgiving, losing to Purdue b YU and
Speaker 1: Texas and then needing overtime to squeak past Florida State
Speaker 1: and the acc SEC Challenge. They've been on a little
Speaker 1: bit of a slide, much like Bill's team.
Speaker 4: This is on me, This is on me. I zone.
Speaker 3: Oh Mary, second, let's just let's go to the next paragraph.
Speaker 3: They're leading score six to fourth senior wing Jaden Taylor,
Speaker 3: who haves fourteen points but has gotten off to a
Speaker 3: terrible shooting Star Cam Relate this season. Marcus Hill and
Speaker 3: Dontrees styles play the three and the four. Neither of
Speaker 3: them is a big three point threat. Either point guard
Speaker 3: is White Guy of the Game candidate Michael O'Connell. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be who averages seven and five congress person,
Speaker 3: but also, like the rest of his teammates, is struggling
Speaker 3: to shoot us far. So, guys, if we haven't watched
Speaker 3: any Kansas basketball in the last decade and a half, o,
Speaker 3: what's about to happen?
Speaker 2: Absolutely yep, nuclear explosion from three. North Carolina State's starting
Speaker 2: center is six foot ten Brandon Huntley Hatfield, which sounds
Speaker 2: like a nineteen forties president who averages ten and six.
Speaker 2: He's actually been the team's best three point shooter, but
Speaker 2: it's been in very small doses. Six foot ten Ben Middlebrooks,
Speaker 2: also another very white name, is both his relief and
Speaker 2: his counterpart when the Wolfpack opt to play big.
Speaker 1: So a little bit of a scouting report here. The
Speaker 1: Wolfpack have been very rough on offense this year. They've
Speaker 1: shot just thirty one percent from three. They're under seventy
Speaker 1: percent on a very big sample size at the free
Speaker 1: throw line. They're also barely inside the top three hundred
Speaker 1: nationally in rebounds. Their strengths they've gotten a lot of
Speaker 1: shots at the rim. They've been good at two pointers,
Speaker 1: they've been good at drawing contact, so they're not making
Speaker 1: a lot of foul shots. And they've been a really
Speaker 1: good defensive team, both inside and out. That has been
Speaker 1: what has buttered their bread, so to speak, so far
Speaker 1: this year. Their senior leadership lead to low turnover rates
Speaker 1: and low foul totals. This is an experienced team. Sometimes
Speaker 1: Allen field House rattles teams, not quite sure that you
Speaker 1: can expect that in this game. This is a senior
Speaker 1: team with Final Four experience. Their pace is slow and
Speaker 1: their preferred style is gross.
Speaker 4: Kansas last played the Wolfpack in the Atlantis Tournament two
Speaker 4: seasons ago, when Grady Dick made six first half threes.
Speaker 3: Would that'd be nice to have? Overall ency State won
Speaker 3: in Lawrence and their first match when Alaska and Hawaii
Speaker 3: became states all the way back in nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 3: KU has won all twelve games since. This is their
Speaker 3: first non neutral site meeting since nineteen ninety seven. How
Speaker 3: we feeling, cam?
Speaker 2: Kansas wins by a good bit. I'm gonna say Kansas
Speaker 2: wins eighty two to sixty eight in a game that
Speaker 2: makes us feel slightly better?
Speaker 3: Okay, landing, Yeah, Kansas wins seventy seven sixty three in
Speaker 3: a game that might have a few moments early when
Speaker 3: c State does very a few threes and we go, oh, no,
Speaker 3: this is gonna happen again, and then it doesn't because
Speaker 3: it's Allen field House.
Speaker 1: Yep, that feels like the most likely outcome. I think
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson and kJ Adams will both post good numbers.
Speaker 1: This is the sort of matchup where Arkansas is kind
Speaker 1: of your slow bruising kind of offense, or Arkansas I
Speaker 1: have the Arkansas game on North Carolina State is your
Speaker 1: slow bruising, big kind of offense, and KU has a
Speaker 1: better version of that and a homecore advantage. I expect
Speaker 1: an emphasis from Bill self put on this team to
Speaker 1: get to the free throw line, so I think you'll
Speaker 1: see the free throw numbers go up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Feels like a nice two hour and forty minute slugfest
Speaker 1: that goes on way too long and results in a
Speaker 1: lot of free throws. Kansas wins seventy nine to sixty three,
Speaker 1: something kind of like that. I think it's very close
Speaker 1: to what you guys both just said now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I expect to see Kansas rebound. It's been a while
Speaker 1: since they've played a good first half. Expect it to
Speaker 1: happen here. And remember Kansas is Carolina. They own Carolina.
Speaker 1: They're going for the sweep. Here the set of four victories,
Speaker 1: considering they already have wins over the tar Heels, the
Speaker 1: Blue Devils, and Furman going for another one here.
Speaker 2: Other games.
Speaker 1: Decent set of games going on this week, beginning with
Speaker 1: the Syhawks showdown.
Speaker 2: Number three.
Speaker 1: Iowa State hits the road to play Iowa. The environment
Speaker 1: is going to be loud, but I trust tj Olzelberger's team.
Speaker 2: I think it is right now. They're the best team
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve. Give me the Cyclones.
Speaker 4: Don't take any of my advice. Ignore everything I'm about to.
Speaker 2: Say, Iowa, Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Number seventeen, Perdue, or excuse me, number seventeen, Texas A
Speaker 1: and M going to number eleven Perdue. I will take
Speaker 1: the boiler Makers at home.
Speaker 2: Same, yes, give me Perdue.
Speaker 1: I'm not super sold on Perdue, but I do think
Speaker 1: they went out home. Ohio State versus number two Auburn
Speaker 1: and Atlanta. All right, go ahead, you guys both take Auburn.
Speaker 1: Get it out of the way so I can blow
Speaker 1: your minds.
Speaker 4: I'll take Auburn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me Auburn. Bye a lot. All right, So
Speaker 2: here's the thing. With Auburn.
Speaker 1: I may look kind of stupid for picking this result,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go with the Buckeyes to pull
Speaker 1: the upset here. I think Auburn is a team that's
Speaker 1: kind of already a little bit peaked. I think that
Speaker 1: usually whenever you see teams start off this well and
Speaker 1: they're guns of blaze and they're taken down top twent
Speaker 1: to top ten teams left and right, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lull at some point. You can't expect this team
Speaker 1: to bring it every single night out. And suddenly Auburn,
Speaker 1: a team that has been hunting all year, suddenly now
Speaker 1: they're the hunted. Just a gut call. I think the
Speaker 1: Buckeyes pull a big upset. Number twenty Wisconsin versus Butler
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: I don't like either of these teams. Wisconsin shouldn't be
Speaker 2: ranked anymore, but I guess, I guess, Uh, how is
Speaker 2: Butler this year?
Speaker 4: Do we know?
Speaker 2: Really bad? It's by twenty to Houston. The other day,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, not great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh they're losing the They lost to North Dakota
Speaker 4: State at home, so yeah, give me Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Geez, they did lose that game. I saw that they
Speaker 1: were on the comeback trail, but they lost it. I
Speaker 1: needed an even set of ten games this week, so
Speaker 1: I had to pull some that you otherwise wouldn't care about.
Speaker 1: Number twenty four Ucla versus Arizona no longer conference rivals.
Speaker 1: Give me the Wildcats to get their season back on track.
Speaker 1: Technically a neutral site game, but it's in Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Give me an Arizona on this classic Big ten,
Speaker 4: Big twelve showdown?
Speaker 2: Uh sure, why not? Give me Arizona.
Speaker 1: Arizona State going on the road to Atlanta to play
Speaker 1: Number nine Florida. Tempted to pull the trigger here. I
Speaker 1: think Florida is in a similar spot. If Arizona State
Speaker 1: was a little bit better, I think I would do it,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think they're very good. Give me
Speaker 1: the Gators.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I give you Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida identical spots.
Speaker 1: One of them is gonna lose, just don't know which one.
Speaker 1: Number one Tennessee at Illinois. Give me the fighting a line.
Speaker 4: I same, three straight losses for number one.
Speaker 2: Nope, give me Rick Barnes.
Speaker 1: Probably the best game on paper of this set. Number
Speaker 1: eight Gonzaga going all the way to New York City,
Speaker 1: looking for a quality win against number eighteen Yukon.
Speaker 2: I will say they get it.
Speaker 1: I like Mark Fu's team. This is their last chance
Speaker 1: for a quality dub until the tournament, and I think
Speaker 1: they pull it off.
Speaker 2: Give me the Bulldogs Yukon close. Uh, I you know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna trust? Yeah, give me and Zaga.
Speaker 1: And if I've ever preached the my preachings of a
Speaker 1: team that's kind of the hunting sometimes is now the
Speaker 1: hunted and I don't trust their coach at all. Give
Speaker 1: me the Bedlam game here. Number thirteen Oklahoma at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 1: Glad these two teams still found a way to make
Speaker 1: it work even though they don't play in the same
Speaker 1: conference anymore. Give me the Cowboys at home. I do
Speaker 1: not trust Porter Moser at all, especially now that he
Speaker 1: is nine to zero.
Speaker 4: Correct Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this game is just a big butt cheek on
Speaker 2: a platter. Give me Oklahoma State. Wow?
Speaker 1: All right, Well they have another week off after the
Speaker 1: North Carolina State game was just one game in fifteen
Speaker 1: days for Kansas and then land in your favorite another
Speaker 1: Sunday game, and this one's against Brown.
Speaker 2: It's a blockbuster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we do it for the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the one they win by like six,
Speaker 2: that's the that's the the Allen Field House is like
Speaker 2: sixty percent full because all this studentudents are gone home
Speaker 2: for Christmas break.
Speaker 1: And they need somebody to make a couple of late
Speaker 1: threes to help them.
Speaker 2: Win sixty six to fifty four over Brown. Yep, seeing
Speaker 2: that a few times.
Speaker 1: But we'll be back to talk about it because it's
Speaker 1: what we do, even though we're getting more sad landings
Speaker 1: by the week.
Speaker 2: This is inside the paint on Rock Chuck Blog. I'm
Speaker 2: Ryan Landres, I'm Winning Fields, and I'm Cam Lipple. Did
Speaker 2: Arkansas win? Cam? Did we have to go win? We
Speaker 2: have to go all the way back and redo the show.
Speaker 2: From that point, there are exactly three point seven seconds left. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no one's going to carry enough. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: go out on a limb here and say, Michigan, this
Speaker 2: is how we're gonna end the show. Michigan will make
Speaker 2: a three pointer to win this game and the end
Speaker 2: of regulation and no, I that could be very wrong,
Speaker 2: but that's my take.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I would say we should have hang
Speaker 1: on until we know, but considering how long stoppages in
Speaker 1: that sport count.
Speaker 2: We've gone on long enough, We'll be back by Miszoo