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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Darren Chackman.

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<v Speaker 1>I currently live in Penalula, but I'm from Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm playing at Rooster Run today.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite course.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Golf Smarter episode nine hundred and ninety five.

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<v Speaker 2>Warming up is just to warm up and be ready

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<v Speaker 2>to play that day. Practice is usually to improve some skills.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to spend my time doing that when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm warming up. I want to do things that create confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>but just to access balance, and I hit some shots

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<v Speaker 2>with slower tempo, medium temple, faster temple, just to see

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<v Speaker 2>what temple like is functional today because some days my

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<v Speaker 2>body is more tired and I need to calm it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Other days I'm totally alert. My body's sharp back and

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<v Speaker 2>swing faster, so it's a lot of calibration. My warm

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<v Speaker 2>up is more about calibrating and getting my body and

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<v Speaker 2>mind ready for playing the game of off. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>about improving skills, and it's not about like how hit

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<v Speaker 2>it on the range is going to decide how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to hit it on the course. Everybody know who's

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<v Speaker 2>played golf long enough, I can hit it extremely well

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<v Speaker 2>and warm up and then I go to the first

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<v Speaker 2>tee and it's gone or the opposite that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like not good at all on the range and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>comes together on the course. So it's like no indication

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<v Speaker 2>anyways for what's going to happen. It's about finding my

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<v Speaker 2>best way to just warm up and create confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Decision making the key to better Smarter golf With Vision

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four's Ian Neilson. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,

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<v Speaker 1>tips and insights from great golf minds to help you

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<v Speaker 1>lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 2>There's your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Pia, Hi Fred, Nice to talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been so great and we've had this relationship going

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and seven, late two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>like before episode one hundred, so here we are approaching

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand. You were episode ninety eight and Lynn was

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven, and it's just a great honor to have

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<v Speaker 1>you both appearing on the show and sharing your insights

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<v Speaker 1>and advice. Greatly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, Fred, and thanks for all you do

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<v Speaker 2>for the game here as many years of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's a nice contribution that I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've been able to make you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>in the earliest show you guys, you said something that

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<v Speaker 1>not only have I been quoting probably every round of

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<v Speaker 1>golf that I play with people, but I used it yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be the think box and playbox. Although

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I caught it to be the

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<v Speaker 1>thought box and shot box Oka, but it kind of works.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you can go on either one. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to where am I going with it? So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>third element to that, the memory box, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember at all, but I think we should go over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's something that every golfer needs to understand

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<v Speaker 1>to help them get into a better mindset before they

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<v Speaker 1>hit the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And as you said, we call it the

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<v Speaker 2>think box and playbox, but it doesn't really matter what

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<v Speaker 2>words you use as long as oh what the purpose

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<v Speaker 2>of it is. And it was because we found so

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<v Speaker 2>many golfers step up over the shot and they're still thinking, preparing,

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if they have the right club or where's the

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<v Speaker 2>wind coming from, And we just wanted to make that

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<v Speaker 2>distinction that before golf shot you can think, you can

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<v Speaker 2>think about the target and where you're going and what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shot you're going to hit that you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be like done, you need to have made a decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and then stepping up and being more athletic and you know, feel.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the separation of preparation and then the performance

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<v Speaker 2>piece because in golfers in general, because it hasn't been trained,

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<v Speaker 2>can be so messy. So it is about the future

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<v Speaker 2>of the shot, the think box, and then the present

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<v Speaker 2>when actually executing, where no thinking cognitive thoughts is going

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<v Speaker 2>to help you. But then we for many years we

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<v Speaker 2>had that, and then we would also golf schools and

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<v Speaker 2>coach and talk about the post shot reaction because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so important how you choose to react two shots, for

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<v Speaker 2>how much confidence you're going to feel and momentum for

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<v Speaker 2>the round. But it was kind of separate. But then

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<v Speaker 2>we realized that's kind of silly because it's this three

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<v Speaker 2>faces to every shot.

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<v Speaker 1>You have it before a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot, you have it during the shot, you have the

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<v Speaker 2>after the shot. How we actually deal with what just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just decided it's better put those together. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the think box, playbox, memory box, and that's your your

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<v Speaker 2>routine for every golf shot, and it to explore and

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<v Speaker 2>find what is best for me to do in those

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<v Speaker 2>three timeframes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a perfect explanation. I mean I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask why, but it should be obvious. The golfers, amateur

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<v Speaker 1>golfers especially, need to get a good rhythm pre during,

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<v Speaker 1>and post shot. Why why is that important?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Why it's important because you know, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>golf shot and you only have the one golf shot

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<v Speaker 2>you have is the only golf shot. I mean you

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<v Speaker 2>only have one drive off number one hopefully, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a shot is unique. You know, you don't like

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<v Speaker 2>your range, I can just see it another one and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You have only have one chance. I mean, you have

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<v Speaker 2>one shot, and they're all so different in our game

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm on the golf course. It goes from two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty yards to fifteen yard pitch shot to putt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's that variability. So you need to actually

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision for every shot in golf because every

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<v Speaker 2>shot you hit you in the around is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be different. So a decision that you commit to needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be made. And it seems obvious, but many have

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<v Speaker 2>just skipped that part. Yeah, and then and then of course,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, golf is a game and anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>is going to perform, well, it doesn't matter if it's football, basketball, golf, tennis, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>While you're performing, you're more athletic, like you see the

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<v Speaker 2>target or you feel something in emotion, you know, longer

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<v Speaker 2>preparing you actually in the moment. But because in golf

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<v Speaker 2>the ball is sitting still waiting for us, many start

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<v Speaker 2>overthinking all the ball absolutely, and so that's why it's

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<v Speaker 2>so important to figure out, you know, what I do

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<v Speaker 2>best when I just feel that calm tempo when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>over the ball, or you know what I do best

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<v Speaker 2>when I do still have an image of the target

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<v Speaker 2>over the ball, or no, what I do best when

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<v Speaker 2>I just sense that constant gret pressure. So you need

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what helps me that isn't like working

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<v Speaker 2>on a swing change, but playing with the swing I

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<v Speaker 2>got right now and have the best field or sense

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<v Speaker 2>that for the golf shot.

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<v Speaker 1>When I look at a scorecard after the round and

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<v Speaker 1>I see the holes that were issues that contributed to

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<v Speaker 1>a higher score than I had hoped for, I noticed that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's definitely going to be shots in there

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't exactly what I had hoped to accomplish. But

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't bother me that that happens to every golfer

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<v Speaker 1>at every level. What I see in my scorecard, the

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<v Speaker 1>higher numbers, it's like I made a bad decision. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what stands out to me, is like, see, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have tried to be a hero in this shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have you know, I should have taken an

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<v Speaker 1>extra club. I didn't consider the wind. I didn't consider

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<v Speaker 1>and I made mistakes at that end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's like after the round, is it's really

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<v Speaker 2>good to just have a little reflection time, like in

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<v Speaker 2>your case there, Like what is the learning here? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it that I'm you know, always go to I

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<v Speaker 2>mean too often to the pin or my routine before

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<v Speaker 2>the shot. I don't check the wind enough. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really want to do the reflection after the round?

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<v Speaker 2>How can I get better at this in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the post shot routine and the post round routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely what.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the things that we need to think about? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why can't I recognize that in my post shot routine

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<v Speaker 1>of like that was a bad decision?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, The thing is that if you start

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<v Speaker 2>to analyze after every shot, you're going to exhaust yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just has to be too much, and

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<v Speaker 2>like one shot is not a trend, so you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So some players can say, you know, just after the shot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay, it went in you know whatever in

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<v Speaker 2>the rough and you know, I didn't consider the wind,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they leave it as such and they move on.

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<v Speaker 2>So some can do it because they do is do

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<v Speaker 2>it easily. But some gets into this too much analyzed

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking while you have a shot to hit in

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<v Speaker 2>one minute, you know. So it's that's where we want

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<v Speaker 2>to explore, and we don't have one way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on a little bit how you are and

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<v Speaker 2>how you play on the course. What is best to

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<v Speaker 2>do after a golf shot? But too much analysis save

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<v Speaker 2>that after the run.

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<v Speaker 1>Right over, analysis leads to paralysis. I guess what they say.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me give me an update on what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with Vision fifty four down in Scottsdale. You're talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf course, Yes we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we have been for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we were first like eleven years at

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<v Speaker 2>the Legacy Golf Course here in Phoenix and then now

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<v Speaker 2>we're like twelve or thirteen years at Talking Stick, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's work great, and we like to do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of our coaching on the course and we have thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six holes there, so it's really good. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's doing very well, and we have all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>different programs for different golfers. But it still amazes us

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<v Speaker 2>that it's not as common yet to teach and coach

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<v Speaker 2>the non technical skills of the game. But we feel

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<v Speaker 2>through our books and now we've created more training books

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<v Speaker 2>and the interest among other coaches that things are happening

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<v Speaker 2>because I think we, along with so many other teachers

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<v Speaker 2>and coaches, we care about growing the game and making

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<v Speaker 2>golfers play better, and we just want the view of

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<v Speaker 2>playing better to be wide enough that of course we

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<v Speaker 2>need to keep developing the technical skills and so I

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<v Speaker 2>can hit the bunker shops the way I want to,

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<v Speaker 2>or put well, or hit it further and all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there still is a process of playing the game

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<v Speaker 2>that often get dismissed or not focused on, and we

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<v Speaker 2>just think it's too bad. So we just want the

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentals to be wide enough so if I improve my swing.

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<v Speaker 2>I still know how to play on the golf course

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<v Speaker 2>when I only have one try and I need to

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<v Speaker 2>make a decision, and I need to trust my decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and I need to be athletic, and you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>it belongs to the golf fundamentals to learn both the

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<v Speaker 2>technical and non technical. And we keep on going. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we've done it for a few decades, but just doing

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<v Speaker 2>what we can to shift that paradigm so everybody can

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<v Speaker 2>see it that way, because I don't know anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>can disagree with that there is a process to play

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<v Speaker 1>You said that you like to give lessons on the

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about this a lot on this show, have

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like two different sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. It really is, because when you're hitting balls,

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<v Speaker 1>generally you're hitting its flat. It's you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>hitting on grass, there's probably a lot of sand anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the time redo it. But why is it that you

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to give your lessons on the course you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in course lessons versus just strictly arranged lessons.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because the whole point is for everybody who comes

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<v Speaker 2>and some even enjoy it more so, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>how a golfer hits on the range. There's really no

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<v Speaker 2>we are so much more interested in how is there swing,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we know that, then we can make more

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<v Speaker 2>sense of what to do on the practice area. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even the first day at our golf school,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're really careful to keep our mouth shut and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like it's kind of a reality check that

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<v Speaker 2>the truth is what happens on the golf course. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I am a coach of the game of golf,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to observe them on the golf course. So

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<v Speaker 2>on the golf course, it could be observing what they

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<v Speaker 2>do and see what's good and what can be better

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<v Speaker 2>from the technique to you know, how they make decisions

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<v Speaker 2>and how they stay focused to the finished Very few

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<v Speaker 2>on the golf course, it was just a few. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very common on the golf course that the swing gets

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<v Speaker 2>abrupted because they're so into the outcome, which doesn't happen

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<v Speaker 2>on the range because it means more so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and how they act after the shot, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things, their pace of play. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>there and we want to be coaches to help them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that helps us what to do when we practice,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes we go out and they get to explore. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's try three different things to do in your think

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<v Speaker 2>to discover, like this works for me, this doesn't work

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And being on the golf course is totally

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<v Speaker 2>because it's more perceived pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, another huge advancement that we've had in over the

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<v Speaker 1>decades that we've been doing, these golf simulators have become

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<v Speaker 1>very very popular, to the point where we now have

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<v Speaker 1>a professional level Golf Simulator League TGL, which I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fan of. But how does that impact your instruction

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<v Speaker 1>because people are playing core I'm using air quotes for courses,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're hitting into a screen from a flat spot

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<v Speaker 1>like hitting in the range.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I think it's awesome because it's closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the real thing. You know, it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still not obviously the same. You don't have the breaks

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<v Speaker 2>between shots, and many times you see them in simulators

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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of skip over the think box, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know they're still most evaluating performance, they're not evaluating

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<v Speaker 2>the process. But through the simulators you can do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more good practice and good learning. But you still

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<v Speaker 2>need to know what to look for if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to coach them through the simulators, not just where the

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<v Speaker 2>ball went or how whatever the trajector and all that

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't see behind.

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<v Speaker 1>That, right, Well, it's also giving you most simulators, especially

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<v Speaker 1>things like track Man and all these other advances here,

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<v Speaker 1>they're giving you a lot of data, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information about the ball itself and what it's doing, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's going. Is that helped you or is that something

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<v Speaker 1>that's just an added Is it an added bonus or

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<v Speaker 1>is it an added distraction?

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<v Speaker 2>Both? Well, I think that got a lot of you

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<v Speaker 2>all this awesome technology is like, it's brilliantly good because

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<v Speaker 2>we're not guessing anymore. We actually get real number of

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<v Speaker 2>repacts objective that yes, and we also have to remember

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<v Speaker 2>there's an outer reality and inner reality. So what we

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<v Speaker 2>find those that overuse it today? I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have juniors that have used it too much. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>we can be on the golf course, I ask them, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me the distance to the flag without looking at technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and they can't see the difference between fifteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty yards because they haven't even they have never needed

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<v Speaker 2>to train their senses. So if they can be really

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<v Speaker 2>really good player, it's about art and science. So the

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<v Speaker 2>technology is great as long as I still learn to

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<v Speaker 2>know what does it actually mean to trust a golf shot?

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<v Speaker 2>What does it still mean to sense a temple? Because

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<v Speaker 2>sensing a temper is an internal experience that I need

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<v Speaker 2>to know and not just base it on numbers from

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<v Speaker 2>the outside. Or if I want to be super focused

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<v Speaker 2>and totally zero in visualize my ballflight to target, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like an inner experience. So technology is great. Is still

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<v Speaker 2>as long as I still honor this the inner skills

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<v Speaker 2>that is needed that are more subjective. So if I

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<v Speaker 2>have a balance of both, it's really good. But many

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<v Speaker 2>today only go towards technique and technology and dismiss the

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<v Speaker 2>other part, and then it's never going to be optimal.

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<v Speaker 1>Since you guys have started coaching, and you were really,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say, you were the first, but

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<v Speaker 1>highest profile to integrate the whole mind body connection into golf,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the mental elements of it, the thinking part

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<v Speaker 1>of it, into just swing mechanics where we come from

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Hogan's book and we're just talking about the mechanics,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it started to evolve into mental games, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, podcasting started happening and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the mental game a lot here and others as well.

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<v Speaker 1>How has that evolved since you've been coaching the mind

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<v Speaker 1>body connection element or was it always there and just

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think for the greatest players, has always been

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<v Speaker 2>there but never talked about because it's not as obvious

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't like measure it and you can't like

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<v Speaker 2>see it on the screen. So I think among the

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<v Speaker 2>great coaches and great players. He's been there, But then

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<v Speaker 2>we've been led to believe that it's only the outer

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<v Speaker 2>view and taken that really matters. But I think so

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<v Speaker 2>much has happened, but sometimes I feel they can still

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<v Speaker 2>be too separate. Okay, here's my technical coach, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I have this mental coach to help me. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>they're just too separate. I think we in God, as

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<v Speaker 2>golf coaches golf teachers, we need to honor that big picture.

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<v Speaker 2>So the golfers from the beginning always get to mixture. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we can work on this. You know. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>at home, in front of you a mirror, to work

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<v Speaker 2>on these positions and these drills. But you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you go and play golf, we want to help you

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<v Speaker 2>with with you know, how you can make a decision,

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<v Speaker 2>the feel you can have during your swing, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we like integrate it into anything we're doing. And that

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<v Speaker 2>integration is not as solid today yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you and Lynn as coaching partners and business partners.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you each have your own specialty or you each

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<v Speaker 1>cover both the mental and the physical side of playing golf,

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<v Speaker 1>or one focuses more on the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know I would I would say we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we totally have one hundred percent in the same vision

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<v Speaker 2>and beliefs about what we're doing and what we think

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<v Speaker 2>the future needs, and we reflect and talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot because we want to you know, probably Lynn

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<v Speaker 2>is my biggest critiquer and you know, question what we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing and meet to her. So we have that. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I came originally more from the background as a player,

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<v Speaker 2>having played on tour and all of that, and Lynn

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<v Speaker 2>has an even stronger background as a technical teacher, So

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<v Speaker 2>our original background is a little bit different like that,

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<v Speaker 2>even though Lena has still played a lot and I've

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<v Speaker 2>you know, since then, also have PGA education technical education,

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<v Speaker 2>so we like Lin has done more in the past

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<v Speaker 2>club fitting that I have, So we come from a

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<v Speaker 2>different little different background and when we you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>we but when we coach and the things we developed

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<v Speaker 2>so we can know that someplace it's going to listen

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<v Speaker 2>stronger to learn in some place, but listen stronger to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just need to have no ego involved with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And realizing that that we have two voices and we

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<v Speaker 2>have other coaches too, that we have more voices to

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<v Speaker 2>the same message makes it even better. But we couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>function as a as a company and with a clear

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy if we didn't one hundred percent agree on what

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<v Speaker 1>So, speaking of philosophy, explain why the company is called

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<v Speaker 1>Vision fifty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. Actually when we started our company we

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<v Speaker 2>call it Coaching for the Future, and still our incorporated name,

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<v Speaker 2>and because it was coaching for the future, but then

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<v Speaker 2>many thought we only did coach training. So when the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four comes from when I, in another lifetime was

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<v Speaker 2>head of our Swedish national teams and we started this

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four thinking because many of those Swedish players at

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<v Speaker 2>that time had very limiting beliefs about what they can

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<v Speaker 2>do in the future, being from this cold weather country

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<v Speaker 2>and so far behind so many nations. So the fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four realizing to get them to be like a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more believing in the future, we asked them, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>on your home course, the best score in each hole?

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<v Speaker 2>What have you shot? And actually some have made birders

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<v Speaker 2>in every hole at one time or another, So we

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<v Speaker 2>just brought it up as a future possibility. What would

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<v Speaker 2>it take in the future during the same around, Just

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<v Speaker 2>let's say it would be possible. So how do you

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<v Speaker 2>need to swing, how do you need to train, how

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<v Speaker 2>fit you need to be? We just start going if

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we believe it could happen. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>which which centuries can happen, doesn't matter. We just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's humanly possible and let's go towards that. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>very good for us coaches to because who do we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be and what do we need to know

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<v Speaker 2>to support that process. So the vision fifty four is

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<v Speaker 2>just it's not about being disappointed if I don't shoot

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four. It's about it's about believing and possibilities and

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<v Speaker 2>going for it. So it's it's it's changed our whole culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, obviously anic A certains Time is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the famous one who was part of when we

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<v Speaker 2>start first started this, and she always had that in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of her mind striving towards that. And she

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<v Speaker 2>was the first woman and it's the first woman to

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<v Speaker 2>have ever shot fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe amazing. No, you wouldn't be disappointed like shooting

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four, but shooting fifty five any golfer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty But I only had a fifty five. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the nature of golfer, isn't it as it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is fifty four? Said tarn It. I could have made

424
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<v Speaker 2>an ego there on that.

425
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly. Have you seen any of what Bryson

426
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<v Speaker 1>Deshamba has done on YouTube with his break fifty series?

427
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<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Actually do you know about it? Are you familiar with it?

429
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<v Speaker 2>I mean a little bit?

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, where he goes and he'll play. I love

431
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>this concept. Instead of competing against my friends, it's like,

432
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 1>let's team up, right, and what he does is he

433
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.200
<v Speaker 1>gets somebody, they play the front ties and they try

434
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<v Speaker 1>to break fifty right, and you know, with Bryson's length

435
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 1>and accuracy, they get close, but they I don't think

436
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 1>they've done it yet. I think it's very entertaining, and

437
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<v Speaker 1>I've told my friends, I said, let's do this instead

438
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>of competing this week, let's partner up, play from a

439
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.319
<v Speaker 1>different tea box, closer tea box, and see if we

440
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>could shoot par Yeah, I know, combine our scores and

441
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>see if we could we just shoot par and if

442
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.880
<v Speaker 1>we do, then let's try to break seventy. Let's you know,

443
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like set that goal i'll see a team.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I super like it, and it gives so

445
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<v Speaker 2>much more positivity outlook in playing the game that I

446
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<v Speaker 2>think is really healthy.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, So how is the state of the game

448
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<v Speaker 1>from your perspective? These days? We'll say, let's start with

449
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.559
<v Speaker 1>amateur play and we'll go from there. But what is

450
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<v Speaker 1>the state of the game from your perspective?

451
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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, it's growing a really healthy way.

452
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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like because of the growth in technology

453
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 2>and tech knowledge about technique and the body swing connection

454
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 2>which is advanced a lot, but we also get many

455
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<v Speaker 2>that they get higher level of confusion because we look

456
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>at the amateurs, so we call it the real golfers

457
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 2>of the game. They get all these suggestions through technology

458
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and technique, but most amateurs they understand that, but they

459
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>honestly don't have time to actually practice to make changes

460
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 2>that are suggested. And they keep saying, oh, yeah, I'm

461
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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, But the bottom line is that

462
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they have jobs, have families that have other things. So

463
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>many go about things that are accurate, but it's not

464
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>realistic they're going to make those changes and get it

465
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 2>to function on the golf course because they don't have

466
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>enough they don't have the time that the professional player

467
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>has to make that happen. So I think it's really

468
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 2>important to be honest about that. If I don't have

469
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>those hours to make the changes needed, what can I

470
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<v Speaker 2>still do to my game to play better?

471
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<v Speaker 1>It makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot

472
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<v Speaker 1>of sense. I think people will take a lesson going okay,

473
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm all good now, and then they don't practice it.

474
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<v Speaker 1>But they may just want to say, what is it

475
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<v Speaker 1>that I can do without this amount of practice and

476
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 1>still try to improve my game? And I think a

477
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of that ends up being talking about next free shot,

478
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>post shot.

479
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 2>That's what we're saying. We're seen like remarkable improvements in

480
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>players game because and we have like one two day

481
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>golf school that is it's only on course. We don't

482
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>even go on the range more than warm up. And

483
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 2>it's for those players that never practice anyways. All they

484
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>do is maybe warm up and they play. So let's

485
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 2>do a golf school where we just meet that reality

486
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and help them how to steal advance to golf games.

487
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<v Speaker 1>So what is the difference between warming up and practicing?

488
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<v Speaker 2>It's a big, big difference. Warming Up is just to

489
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>warm up and be ready to play the play that day.

490
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<v Speaker 2>In a practice is usually to improve some skills.

491
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<v Speaker 1>And.

492
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to spend my time doing that when

493
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm warming up. I want to do things that create confidence,

494
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 2>you know. So warming up is you know today obviously

495
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>for many to stretch and warm up the body. But

496
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>then you know, we always like offers too, because our

497
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>bodies are different every day, depending on how slap potter eight,

498
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>what I've been doing working out not working out. I mean,

499
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 2>our bodies are always variable. So to hit some shots

500
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<v Speaker 2>to making sure my balance is good if I hit

501
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 2>two feet together or you know, one foot, but just

502
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>to access balance, and I hit some shots with slower tempo,

503
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>medium temper, faster temple, just to see what temple like

504
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>is functional today, because some days my body is more

505
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>tired and I need to like calm it down. Other

506
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 2>days I'm totally alert, my body is sharp back and

507
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 2>swing faster. So it's a lot of calibration and making

508
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>sure my attention level is good. So my warm up

509
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 2>is more about calibrating and getting my body in mind

510
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>ready for playing the game of golf. It's not about

511
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>improving skills, and it's not about like how hit it

512
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 2>on the range is going to decide I'm going to

513
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>hit it on the course because everybody knows it who

514
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>has played golf long enough. I can hit it extremely

515
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>well and warm up, and then I go to the

516
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>first tea and it's like it's gone, or the opposite

517
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<v Speaker 2>that I feel like not good at all on the

518
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>range and suddenly comes together on the course. So it's

519
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 2>like no indication anyways for what's going to happen. So

520
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>it's about finding my best way to just warm up

521
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>and create confidence. There's the only thing that matters and

522
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 2>warm up.

523
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<v Speaker 1>Have you had a chance to see TGL I have

524
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<v Speaker 1>done it a little bit, I have. What do you think, Well.

525
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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's really you know, fun. I

526
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>like real, real, real golf, and like major competitions more.

527
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think this is But.

528
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>That's also a long, major time commitment too to watch

529
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 1>and play.

530
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think it's you know, it's been really

531
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>really fun great.

532
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but so with actual playing and watching it, there's

533
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of controversy about pace of play lately

534
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>in comments any suggestions.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually, we yeah, actually a lot because it's something

536
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've cared about for decades and every golf

537
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>school what every player focus on, and so actually put

538
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 2>together a pdf last week and we send out to

539
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>coaches and magazine because I send it to you later on. Yes,

540
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 2>because we think sometimes when they focus on they focus

541
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 2>mostly on how we can you know, restrict times over

542
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>the shots and time for the round and all of that.

543
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 2>But we think it has to do with coaches need

544
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 2>to pay more attention to players' routines to be sustainable,

545
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 2>and I think that is just skipped over. So care

546
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>about it a lot. We did one interview with Golf

547
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Global Golf Post about it and with golf dot com too,

548
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>because they knew that we have been coaching the pace

549
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>of play and cared about it for a long, long

550
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>long time.

551
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>M hm. And on TGL they have that forty second

552
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 1>shot clock.

553
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good.

554
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>It's really good.

555
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

556
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>And it adds pressure yeah, which is great, awesome. Yeah.

557
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've watched every episode so far and the

558
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>only time that the shot clock has been come into

559
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>play is Tiger putting. It was one time he just

560
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>let it lapse, which was pretty wonderful to see him.

561
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I've loved watching Tiger because he's really been vulnerable during it.

562
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 1>So that's been phenomenal. So you've got a new series

563
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of books Between Shots, which joins Signature Swing and performance routine.

564
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Between Shots is the new one, right, yes, can you define?

565
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>You know there's an element in there of manage your body,

566
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>manage your mind, manage your emotions, and then the variability.

567
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Let's pick them up a little bit at a time. Here,

568
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 1>start with manage your body.

569
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and yeah, first one to say, you know, with

570
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 2>the books you mentioned now, the main reason we did

571
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>it is because our big published books, you know, we've

572
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>been fortunate, they've been going so well. But there is

573
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.079
<v Speaker 2>so much material that we couldn't include to make it

574
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>an easy read book, and the many exercises we couldn't

575
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>include because it doesn't fit into a book like that.

576
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>So we decided to self publish this. We call them

577
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 2>training books where we can just include those that want

578
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>to deep dive into think fox, playbox, memory box. Okay,

579
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>here we got everything we know about this and all

580
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the exercises we know and for balanced temple and tension

581
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. So the between shot is and I

582
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 2>think it's an area that many golfers haven't really even

583
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>thought about because and you can't really practice it on

584
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the range. But you know, in golf, we spend three

585
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>and a half plus hours between shots, so it's a

586
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of time that that time can either help you

587
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>play better or it really hurts your game. And we

588
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 2>say like between shots and the things that matter is

589
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that I make sure I spend enough time recharging so

590
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I can keep the focus for eighteen holes, and that

591
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I also make myself ready for the next time I'm

592
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>going to hit the golf shot. And the third area

593
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 2>is that we're always going to be variable. We're never

594
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be consistent as a human being playing the

595
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.480
<v Speaker 2>game of golf. So there is can be veriability that

596
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>suddenly I get tight and tense because it's windy, or

597
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>or you know, I'm thinking too much about work right now,

598
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 2>so I'm all scattered suddenly on the backside, I mean,

599
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 2>there always can be variability. So between shots, is this

600
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>time to actually be more aware of is there anything

601
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I need to manage right now? Am I getting irritated

602
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>because pace of play is slow? Or you know, you

603
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>need to have a little awareness so you can become

604
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a better player and you can like bounce back and

605
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you might look more consistent because you manage the variability.

606
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So we think it's like a huge area to just

607
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 2>find a few things that that can really really help me.

608
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 2>So I just want to give that overview first.

609
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Good, Now let's talk about managing your body.

610
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so then when it comes to the body, we

611
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>know and if you play golf and go on the

612
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>golf court, can guarantee you you can be tighten your hips.

613
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Sitting in the golf court so many between shots, they

614
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>might know, you know, having three holes or six holes,

615
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I need to do a little stretching or losing up

616
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 2>or being aware of I've been sitting a lot now

617
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>waiting on the tea box of other players. I need

618
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>to know do I need to loosen my shoulders some

619
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>or do I need to do this for my hips.

620
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 2>You need to have some awareness of how do I

621
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>keep my body athletic through the round of golf even

622
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.199
<v Speaker 2>though I might be standing still or sitting still. And

623
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>another thing with the body is that it's common. It's

624
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>like my adrenaline level. You know, sometimes I can get

625
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>so worked up because maybe I'm on my way to

626
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the lowest round ever, or the opposite, I'm super sluggish

627
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's slow places early in the morning, so you

628
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>know what, I need to walk a little peppier here.

629
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's geography a little bit, or I might do

630
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 2>need the opposite. I need to take deep breath and

631
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 2>calm myself down because I'm just too you work it

632
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 2>up in my body. So, I mean, there's so many things. Obviously,

633
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the obvious thing is, you know what are you drinking

634
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and eating between shots to keep that energy level? So

635
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I was going to bring that up depending on like

636
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 2>your level of golf and your ambition in golf, the

637
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>between the shots. If I'm only playing golf because I

638
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 2>don't care about performance and I'm only here to have

639
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 2>fun with my friends, and maybe you don't need to

640
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>do anything. But if I care about playing well, you

641
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 2>should just look into you know what is something that

642
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 2>actually helps my body stay athletic and be good for

643
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<v Speaker 2>all eighteen holes.

644
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<v Speaker 1>That's an excellent point. It's about if you care or not,

645
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>because you know there are people out there who they're

646
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>they're not focused on their hydration, they're not focused on

647
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the nutrition. They're drinking coffee and dehydrating, they're drinking alcohol

648
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and really not paying attention. But it's for those podcasts

649
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>for people who would listen to podcasts about this, they

650
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>care about this. Yeah, exactly.

651
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's that's beauty of the game that we can

652
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>have so many different like we call the spirit of

653
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the game, the reason you play the game. Those that

654
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:14.800
<v Speaker 2>part of playing the game is that I want to

655
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>be a good performer. Then it's good to check in

656
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>on us.

657
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 1>And then you have managed the mind and managed the emotions.

658
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Those are two you have was listed as different elements.

659
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Can you explain why?

660
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the mind for us is more you know,

661
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the the both the cognitive parties. Am I thinking too

662
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>far in the future? Am I focusing on the past?

663
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Am I like scattered? Or am I totally focusing on

664
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 2>only my shot? Or do I still focus about who

665
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>is watching me? So it's managing that, you know, direction

666
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>on my mind and if I can stay focused during

667
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the whole swing and so between shots, it would be

668
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>for many. I mean some have a tendency I can

669
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<v Speaker 2>have that I can easily go too far in the future,

670
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<v Speaker 2>like ooh, my irons better. There are a couple of

671
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>power fource it's going to be tough coming up and like, ah,

672
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 2>bring yourself back.

673
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 1>You even get caught up in that.

674
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just feel your feet walking here now, and you know,

675
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I'll look at the trees and get yourself back depresent

676
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 2>or you know, some hang out in the past all

677
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the time, like why why did I miss that put?

678
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Or you know that's an easy wed shot in so

679
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>you're just wasting energy. So it's just doing some exercise

680
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and being aware of like am I good at being

681
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in charge of where my mind is? And if you're

682
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>going to be a peak performer in golf, it's a

683
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>good thing because between shots it conspiral to really bad stuff,

684
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, being irritated other players, very irritated with you know,

685
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of stuff. So emotions is more like am

686
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I feeling calm and peaceful and confident or am I

687
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 2>anxious frustrated? It's it's you know, the emotions, and sometimes

688
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.159
<v Speaker 2>emotions come from the thoughts I have, And sometimes I

689
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 2>just get emotions because I have a memory of missing

690
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>this shot last week at the same spot, and the

691
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>emotions start and then it triggers thoughts. So it's just

692
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>knowing that if I have too much negative emotions between shots,

693
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's so good to learn from science. I'm going

694
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to lose access to a lot of my abilities. It's

695
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>just we go more to fight and flight and I

696
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 2>don't and I can't afford that. Am I going to

697
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 2>be a good performer? So it's recognized and I'm getting frustrated, irritated. Okay,

698
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go to getting myself to a commerce

699
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>state or whatever, more confident state and use my body

700
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe to help me and manage that. Because the emotions

701
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>is going to fluctuate. I just need to figure out

702
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 2>what is it that makes me play really awesome.

703
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One thing that I see creeping into both the

704
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>mind element and the emotions element is pace of play,

705
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>which we talked about a little bit. But how does

706
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>slow pace of play affect the amateur golfer? And then

707
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 1>what's the cure to not let it bother you?

708
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, some slow play doesn't affect them at all,

709
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Because he said, I'm only playing with my friends, and

710
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I like this golf course and I paid a lot

711
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>of money to play it, so I wanted to take

712
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>six hours. You know, they're probably nobody does, but anyway,

713
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.280
<v Speaker 2>so you know it does because if you play with

714
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 2>plays that you feel are very very slow, it can

715
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 2>get you really irritated. You know, you start having all

716
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the self talk and emotions and it's going to get

717
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>your body tight, or you can start rushing and making

718
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>up for them being slow. I mean that happens a

719
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 2>lot all the time. So I think every golfer needs

720
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 2>to know how long time their routine takes the preparation.

721
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Think box in the playbox. I think it's really important.

722
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we have a goal to keep it

723
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>thirty seconds in under and it's just that the time

724
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 2>that the LPGA is used for a long time that

725
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you have an average of thirty seconds per shot, and

726
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we need more than that. But many today,

727
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>especially think box because of so much more technology that

728
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 2>there's so many ways of measuring the distance. You know,

729
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>you might have it on your watch, you might have

730
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, your bush and hel glasses, you have sprinkler heads,

731
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.159
<v Speaker 2>you have screens in your cart. They can be like

732
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>a cillion different ways of doing that. And there are

733
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>many systems how to check green reading and all of

734
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>these things. But then players to and players try to

735
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 2>do all of that all the time, and it's like

736
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.199
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't work, it's not sustainable because they usually lose

737
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>access to their own instinct and feel over time because

738
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 2>there's so much up in the numbers.

739
00:42:59.119 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 1>And.

740
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>They get you know, you get tired and done basically.

741
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 2>But we don't know anyone who wants to be slow.

742
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 2>They have just never been aware of it or coached

743
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>how to do it different so they can so they

744
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>can be more efficient, but also play as good or

745
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:22.519
<v Speaker 2>better doing it in a more simplified way. For example,

746
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 2>we we can have many that you know, there we

747
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 2>go on the golf course and they start having you know,

748
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 2>two three four practice wings. We never saw that on

749
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 2>the range, but suddenly on the course and they do

750
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 2>two three four practice wings. So you know, I after

751
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 2>one whole used to ask cluck, okay, so what's the

752
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>intention for those practice wings? And then depending on the answer,

753
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>just try to help them sort it out and how

754
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>can you actually accomplish that in one And you know,

755
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>we usually say if they're player shooting ninety, you know,

756
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 2>if you also make three practice wing, that's ninety plus

757
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy. It's a lot of swingings anyway,

758
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>So but they haven't thought about that, or some think

759
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a practice swing it needs to be perfect before I

760
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>can move on, And like that belief is like never good.

761
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is, this is this area that

762
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>most golfers haven't really reflected on and they haven't had

763
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>any coaching to help them sort it out and make

764
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it more functional on the golf course. So I think

765
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's really really important. And I said, like, let's try

766
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 2>for three holes. You know, you can get a feed

767
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>for the swing and move your body, but let's just

768
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>not do in the practice swings. Just you see what

769
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>it would be like. And then some discover like, wow,

770
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I like that better, or some realize that no, yeah,

771
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 2>it's good, but I just want something a little bit.

772
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.679
<v Speaker 2>So we just need to work it out.

773
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that if you start practicing your

774
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>own think box playbox that you don't need as long

775
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>as you do it consistently, you shouldn't have to be

776
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 1>self conscious about feeling like you're holding up the because

777
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 1>if they see you're doing your routine on the first

778
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.880
<v Speaker 1>second hal you know, first four or five shots, that's

779
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 1>your rhythm and you don't have to be self conscious

780
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 1>about it, people will like start accepting it's like okay,

781
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 1>that's his pace of play.

782
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Well as as long as it doesn't take too.

783
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Long Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

784
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>But I want another thing about the routine that is

785
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 2>really important for us. Sure, the only thing that matters

786
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>about this we talk about the pre shot routine now,

787
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>is that I made a decision and I have an

788
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 2>internal go signal whatever that is. So that's what's important.

789
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not that I always do the exact same outer routine,

790
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>because what I'm saying is like I normally don't make

791
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 2>practice wing, but if I have like a shot around

792
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the green, or I'm going to have a certain lie,

793
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>i might make a practice wing whatever to get the field,

794
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but it's just to get the go signal. So I

795
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>can have a structure, but it is with flexibility because

796
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying this is because we can have many

797
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>more lead players that have been taught. If they do

798
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the same exact routine from the outside looking, it's always

799
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>going to work. And we know that's not true because

800
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>it's what you feel inside that needs to be feel

801
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>really awesome, like I got this. I know what I'm doing,

802
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 2>and I feel what I'm doing. I'm ready to go.

803
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes that can happen in different ways. But if

804
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I still feel like I still need to step off

805
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.079
<v Speaker 2>this Pat, I still need to do practice wing because

806
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to. I might I might be too late.

807
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I lost that go signal.

808
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a few minutes ago that your books, these

809
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>three books in this series are self published. Where can

810
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we find.

811
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Them on Amazon or Buns and Noble.

812
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Great. Oh so it's not just on your website, but

813
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it is available at Amazon and then the website Vision fifty

814
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>four dot com. You got it, and check out the schools.

815
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 1>If you want some of the best instruction the world

816
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>has to offer, you should definitely check out Vision fifty

817
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>four because Lynn and Pia are superheroes in the game

818
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 1>of Game Improvement World.

819
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that's really nice of you.

820
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, thank you again. It's great to talk to you,

821
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 1>and it's always a joy to talk to you, and

822
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I really value your time. Thank you so much.

823
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you Fred, Thanks for all you do for the game.