Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willas your host.
We have a great one this evening for you. This
a pre recorded show I did at Contact in the
Desert with Ross coltheart. One of the main reasons I
wanted to go there was to meet him, and it's
a great interview, so I hope you're looking forward to that.
Just a couple of things. First of all, I want
to say that if you ever get the opportunity tunity
to go to Contact in the Desert, I highly recommend it.
It was an absolute blast. It seemed like thousands of people.
I'm not sure how many there were. It was such
an up beat situation. It was really wonderful. I really
enjoyed it, and I will go to every single one
of them. As long as I'm able to go, I
will be there. So I just wanted to throw that
out there. The blog this week is Consciousness Recall Versus
Hypnotic Regression and Abduction an abduction case by Charles Lear.
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podcasts through Patreon. Just a big I think it's kind
of a big announcement because I had to really think
hard about this. I believe I have about seven or eight,
maybe even ten, really good interviews that i got at
Contact in the Desert that I'm going to be putting
out on Friday evening starting June thirteenth, and then I'm
going to continue. So it's basically I'm going to have
two shows a week and they will be in the
podcast feed. So the Friday show June thirteenth, they will
be you know, it might be a little difficult for
some people on Friday, because I know Friday night is
a night where a lot of people do things, go out,
et cetera. But you can always listen to it as
a podcast, or watch it on YouTube or wherever else.
It's on a bunch of things, rumble, et cetera, So
you can always watch it after if you don't happen
to make it live. But it's going to be again
Friday at six to seven pm Eastern every Friday, starting
on June thirteenth. The first one, you're going to absolutely love.
It was one of my very favorite interviews with Paul Heinek.
We talk about UFOs, but also about AI. He likes
to call it augmented intelligence, not artificial intelligence. But he
was such an entertaining guest. I also have Mitch Randall
talking about the same subject, artificial intelligence, and that's coming
up on one of the Friday nights. Next week we
have Gary Hazelton. He's going to be talking about all
the Rendalsham Force incidents that happened over the years. Not
just you know Renderstrom, the Rendalshom Force incidents that we
know of, but many, many, many incidents that happened before
and after and some people say ongoing it's kind of funny.
I ran into so many people at Contact. It was
just wonderful. I made some new friends. A little shout
out to Sam and Kelly. I made great friends and people.
I was sitting having breakfast with Matt Ford, you know
of the Good Trouble Show. He's one of the people
I interview. But I was having breakfast with him and
someone walked by and they stopped and they recognized my
voice and ran up to me. It was a lot
of fun running into people in the elevators and one
guy I was sitting down at a table having dinner,
and he asked me, you know who I was and etc.
And then I said, while I do a podcast UFO,
and you just held up his iPhone and went right
to the app and showed that I was in his
podcast feed. I thought that was pretty funny. I got
a lot of pictures. I may post them in the
show notes today. Perhaps I'll bring them up when Dean
Alioto joins me after this about a thirty minute or
so interview with Ross Coldheart and the Dean Aliotto, who
is the person that actually talked me into going to
Contact in the Desert. He will be joining me live.
This is live right now pre recorded Ross Coldheart and
then back where Dean Aliotto and I are going to
be talking also about his sequence that came out his
film and what great the audience loved it. I loved
it too. So here we go with Ross Coldheart. Thank you, Ross,
welcome to the show, see you, and thank you so much.
You know, I got to tell you one of the
main reasons I came to this event is I wanted
to media in person. Yeah, and I think I would
say there are some people that have kind of helped
move the needle in this world and you're at the top.
I can't think of anyone above you at this present time.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't see myself as an activist to you,
ap activist. All I see myself doing, I honestly tell you,
is covering a story.
Speaker 3: It's sartin a bit, as.
Speaker 2: I suppose that the story that I'm covering is helping
pushed and need a little bit because you say, but
I mean, frankly, as I'm probably a bit of a
scratchy record on this. I just don't understand why the
rest of the mainstream press isn't following this issue as
aggressively as I am, because it's so obvious something going on,
and to me, it's kind of disgraceful. It's going to
be a failure point, a major point in time to come.
When the recketing is coming, it will be remembered that
this was the point when the media really did drop
the ball. Yes, they failed to cover the Iraq War properly.
They didn't examine or investigate enough the causes of the
Iraq War. Yes, we know now there were contient indications
that were being suppressed improperly about the COVID vaccient that
was also suppressed by the media. Yes, the media allowed
itself to be manipulated over the crimes of it'steeing. A
lot of the stuff that frankly was dismissed as wacky
conspiracy theories by mainstream media has been.
Speaker 3: Found to have some basis right.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why that doesn't compel a re
examination of the taboo stetma that's attached to the whole
UAP subject.
Speaker 3: At what point do they realize they're being light.
Speaker 4: To right right now?
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, going back to when you interviewed
David Grush, I just I'm just going to bring that
particular situation up. I first heard that, I thought, oh god,
this is maybe this is a step too far, you know,
the crash vehicles and all that. But it's just I
was lucky enough to be able to make it in
the room for the DC hearing, so that was really amazing.
So I do think that, you know, the more awareness
you can see, more awareness, it's kind of self perpetuating.
But when it comes to media, I was really very
happy about News Nation because they were paying attention to this,
and now you have that show on your on there
all the time, and I am so glad that they're
actually giving this coverage.
Speaker 3: There's actually an industry report.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe this until I saw it reported independently
that the coverage in the data grush story and the
subsequent up coverage that we've done at NewsNation has actually
lifted the ratings nine hundred ninety percent.
Speaker 3: Nine. I mean, it was obviously from a relatively small base,
and it's quite comical.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I often laugh because everybody in News Nation that
was through the ufoods. It's great though, But I mean,
I don't want to sound like I'm being an attorney.
Speaker 3: For the management of NewsNation or Next. But this really.
Speaker 2: Happened because of the support of Michael Cord, the boss
of News Nation, and Sean Compton, who's one of the
principles of Next, of the founders of Next, and they
took a punt, as we say in Australia. They took
the risk and accepted assurances that there was this public
audience that wants to hear about UAPs and they wanted
investigated credibly. And look, frankly, it's an active executive editorial leadership.
There's a guy called Andy Gibson who's the one of
the senior news producers at NewsNation and his leadership and
other people producers I've worked with, like me and Irana,
They've done a wonderful work in helping build this audience.
And I'm blown away and I'm interesting, credulous. You know
some of the recent views. I think we re released
the David Grusha to you the other day and it's
now giving up to nearly five million views.
Speaker 4: Of God, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I guess what that shows me is even though the
mainstream meare literally, I think, willfully trying to ignore this story,
it's a huge story right under their nose. And the
real laughing point, I actually don't want to push it
too hard that they investigate it too much, because frankly,
it's doing me a lot of good.
Speaker 3: It's great that they're.
Speaker 2: Ignoring it because it's bringing an enormous audience to Newstation,
especially to my show Reality Check. And I don't want
to sound arrogance about it because it's such a fickle
thing the TV industry, but there is obviously a very
large audience hart there that wants this material and they
want this issue credibly investigated, and I honestly feel that
to come back to the point that you ask me
at the very top, I'm not an activist. I'm a journalist,
and I'm covering this story as I think it should
be covered as an to us and I had really
I'm closetly amazed the huge credits get drapped, amazing scoops
get drawed in the uIP feud and they just get
it cool.
Speaker 1: I talked about that all the time, and so does
my girlfriend who's also.
Speaker 4: Involved in the show.
Speaker 1: You know, like she'll call her cousin who semi into it,
and it's like, you know, did you hear about it?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't heard an you know.
Speaker 1: So December sixteenth, seventeenth, twenty seventeen comes along New York Times.
Speaker 4: Now they have a wreck.
Speaker 1: They had record views on that website when they talked
about the Pentagon in UFOs. What prior to that coming up?
Because that seemed to change everything. I started the podcast
in twenty eleven, and I was considered, you know, even
though I tried to stick to nuts and bolts, but
you know, in the mainstream public, there's kind of a
fringe topic for me to talk about. This that happened
that changed everything. Chara to that, had you had an
interest in this type.
Speaker 2: I actually just talked about this is my own no
podcast with Bryson ad Or, so I'm quite fresh on
the whole memory as a boy in nineteen seventy eight,
when I was about sixteen.
Speaker 3: I'm giving away my own yere.
Speaker 2: There was an incident in New Zealand where I was living,
called the kai Kura Lights, and it became quite a
famous incident because it involved a New Zealand cargo plane
flying up the South Island coast, on the east coast
of the South Island coast, and it was buzzed by
numerous elliptical UFOs. And the really cool thing about it
was there was a camera crew that had heard about
previous sightings on this trip and they were on board,
and they were from Australia, from a TV station in Australia,
and they filmed pretty vague to be honest, vision of
or video of these on shaped craft zooming up to
the window of.
Speaker 3: The profit and then zooming away. And quite aside from
the film, it.
Speaker 2: Was the testimony of the people who'd been on board
that night about what they saw their a one human eyeboard.
Speaker 3: It was so interesting that I would admit when I
saw that story as a sixpen year old teenager.
Speaker 2: I accepted the New Zealand Air Force explanation that came
out a few weeks later when the Prime Minister called press.
Speaker 3: Conference and he announced that these were.
Speaker 2: Just mistaken squire boat lights and also the planet Us,
and I accepted the explanation.
Speaker 3: He shoed my shoulders and went, well, yeah, a tabloid.
Speaker 2: Beat up in the news media or a joke, and
it made me skeptical. I always accepted the explanation that
Kakuru was a joke, that it was just a silly hoax,
and that these records got all excited. It wasn't until
I actually socially met Captain Bill Startup through a family
friend who was the captain at the cargo plane much
later that I realized there.
Speaker 3: Might be something to this.
Speaker 2: And then it was much much later when the New
Zealand darchives were released, I think around twenty eleven, and
they showed categorically that.
Speaker 3: There was a cover up.
Speaker 2: It was enormous pressure being cooked by the Prime Minister's
of this because of pressure from the Ericas to basically
shut this story down, and I also had first person
corroboration of this in an interview I did with the
New Zealand retired New Zealand the Prime Minister, and I
called Robert Baldherd.
Speaker 3: We used to call it Pety baldher It's a force of.
Speaker 2: Habit that he was a chubby fellow, a controversial rack
onto a good farm politician actually, but he'd taken a
close interest in making sure that Kaikoura case was shut down.
Durad my book research while she'd slowly before my book research,
I read these papers and that was one of the
things that I twitted my interest. I went back to
this and I read the New Zealand newspapers covering the
release of these art guys, and I realized, oh, my goodness,
so this story that I read when I was sixteen
years old.
Speaker 3: I'd followed it like everybody else. Maybe there was something
to it.
Speaker 2: And then when I was researching my book a few
years later, I tracked down and interviewed Quentin Fogotin, who
was the reporter from Australian TV who'd been on the
cargo plane that night. And I also met and interview
Jess Grant, who was another reporter who'd been on the
cargo plane that night, and their testimony English Roxolomy. I
also spoke to Bruce mccabee got Rested Soul, who was
the US physicist of Great Banan, who did an absolute
fantastic investigation into the Kaikoraites story. And this definitively showed,
I think, by consulting astronomers and everybody else, it couldn't
possibly have been this. And more importantly, a plane flying
at fourteen thousand feet could not possibly have confused these
objects for squid boat lights which were.
Speaker 3: In a completely different part of the ocean, and.
Speaker 2: Which could not pausibly explain what this pilot can very
professionally explained along with his co pilot PC. And it's funny,
you know, because I might be getting something away here.
Dennis Grant, who's become a good friend of mine, who's
one of the reporters that was on the plane that night,
he recently asked me to review a manuscript of his,
which is his.
Speaker 3: New telling of the whole Kaikoura story. And I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: All the other detail that was there, that there had
been previous flights where other pilots who have recorded seeing
the same thing.
Speaker 3: And then the pista resistance for me was I finally found.
Speaker 2: John Corney, who was the air traffic controller who'd been
in the Wellington, New Zealand Air Traffic Control towler the
capital city of New Zealand that night, and he watched
these objects on radar at the exact time that they
were saying via radio from the plane that they were
moving in a certain direction. He could see those objects
moving in a certain direction. So you had something very
similar to the tech Tak incident, that kind of corroborative
observation by multiple witnesses of an object tracked on radar
a sensor system and moving in the direction that was
being preferred completely independently by those witnesses. And we also
had the handwritten notes of Dennis Grat who'd written shorthand
notes as all this was happening that night. It was
a really thorough, in impeccably detailed piece of research that
showed that there had indeed been an anomalous incident that
took place off the New Zealand coast that night. But
more importantly, I was also persuaded by other sources.
Speaker 3: Of mine that I meet along the.
Speaker 2: Way that it really was the case that the Americans
had interceded with the New Zealand government to make sure
this story was buried as soon as unit as possible.
Speaker 1: That is the interesting part to me, because you think
of all the evidence they had there and nothing to
see here.
Speaker 2: And of course, one of the things that's about this
case that's really interesting you'd probably noticed about them, but
a few minutes prior to the concrura Ufo incident in
December nineteen seventy eight, you had the Frederick belitic Jous incident.
And this is an amazing story of a young something
pilot flying across the beast straight night at night in
a light plane and he sees a gigantic object, a
metallic craft, hovering above him, and his last words before
he disappears forever is and it's not a plane.
Speaker 4: That's right now. There's an original recording somewhere. There's a
remake of I have the original on my laptop. You
actually do.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, I mean, the good the reason they control
out out of respect for the families. They generally don't
reveal the actual communications of people who we know died
or suspected to have died, and.
Speaker 3: Kept craft pressures.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that released the track of control
recordiams and they're so distressing. I don't think they should
generally be released. But in this case, the family I
think Frederick started. We had been given a copy of
Vieio tape and he shared it with people.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, a few years ago, I want to say three
years ago, maybe I was sitting with Bryce at his
beautiful home and we were discussing things and he said, you.
Speaker 4: Know, a guy named Ross Colder said oh, yeah, yeah,
I think you had been on my show at that time.
Speaker 1: But he says he's contacted me. We're thinking about doing
a podcast together. I said, oh, that would be great because.
Speaker 4: I think the world of Bryce. I'm very intelligent man,
he's trends out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I said that would be awesome. And
I got to tell you I love your podcast. I
didn't catch the latest one, but I caught the one before.
I usually catch them all, and I've actually sat on
my show a number of times. Need to Know is
a great podcast.
Speaker 4: To shut it out?
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I mean, we really do it every month at the
moment because of cool so we say it's so busy
my own show and reality with Newsation, which.
Speaker 3: Is just lost all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind a good.
Speaker 2: Way, because I thought twenty seventeen was pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: But the fire.
Speaker 2: Hose of information that is coming out of the lead,
it is gaining such I mean, it's quite a yeff.
I can't believe the volume of coverage that's coming out
of the letter and the really interesting stories.
Speaker 1: Every day, right, I know, I'm watching and who's the
lovely lady that is on with you?
Speaker 3: Big?
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, Megan, Yes, she's very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is it's almost like every day, what's
there to watch?
Speaker 4: And you know there's another one from Rice and Well.
Speaker 3: What we're trying to do is cover it as the
news story.
Speaker 2: And I think for years one of the problems in
the news media has been there's been kind of like
this embarrassed to cringe the church Jill about UFOs.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's warranted. I really am. I mean,
I looked at the evidence.
Speaker 2: I'm entitled to say I may an assessment, and I
think it's legitman to treat this is a serious subject
for investigation, and I don't think the gible factor is warranted.
Whether you have the United States government saying yes, this
is a real phenomenon, this is worthy of investigation. Yes,
there are things we can't explain. Yes, there are the
five observables. There are objects that are doing hypersonic velocities,
instantaneous velocity, they're doing trans medium travel, they're doing stealth,
and probably the most importantly of all, they're showing apparent
preculsion systems that suggest anti gravity. Those are phenomenon that
are being courted and recorded by the military, And it's
now beyond any possibility of denial that this is real.
What is going on still is a continuing cover up
with the PAGGO, the intelligence community, for reasons based on themselves,
continuing to push the line that this is going to
an issue be explained away prosaically, and it's only a
matter of time before this is all put to be.
You worry, your tiny little hits. We in the military
and know what's going on, and greatly I don't think
they do.
Speaker 1: I don't think they know that. I think they may
know more than This is my own term that I use.
I think they may know more than we do, but
they don't have the whole picture. And because they don't
have the whole picture, how could they possibly say that
they can protect us from whatever it is, or know
what it is, you know. So that's why I think
I don't think that in that way. I don't think
disclosure is going to be coming out easily by through
the government.
Speaker 2: I don't think Congress or the government, un least President
Trump has right that suddenly decides to issue an executive
order because I mean, he promised to. He promised to
a shown executive order or to at least make an
order for more transparency on the UFO data documents videos
that he hasn't done.
Speaker 3: He fails to honor his promise.
Speaker 2: The President has not honored his promise, and that that's sad. Yeah,
because I know there is interest at his level. His son,
Donald Trump Junior interviewed me in Decender. Yes, the family
are interested in this subject matter, right, And it's interesting.
I wonder sometimes where the presidents are sat down and
are rooted and they're told, okay, boss, there are UFOs.
They are a non human intelligence. They're here, but this
is the reason why we can't talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I asked Chris, I was.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Chris Mellen when he first came out that
he was interested in this stuffic and I asked him
that very quite, and he said that if the president
at the time asked if there are UFOs and what
are they, that they will tell him what they know.
But then your title to your show need to know.
They probably don't. It's compartmentalize. I'm sure you know what
I know, Bill Clinton. I'm much further now on what
I know, Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton tried to.
Speaker 2: Do this, he asked, But yes, it's true that he
commissioned Whibs to huddle his Whitewater's deputy White House Council
to go and do an investigation, indeed, to go to
Area fifty one to find out what the hell was there.
But I know Bill Clinton was frustrated in his attempts
to get answers. They have lie to presidents. There really
is a view amongst those guarding this secret that presidents
have no right to know. But definition, if somebody is
the commander in chief of the American our forces, which
the president constitutionally is, they should be entitled to know.
I actually have dubs. Even the Joint chiefs of Staff
Chairman has briefed it to the secret. I actually kept
lower than that. This is, as Matthew Brown recently said,
the guy who again has been talking about the alleged
of mathetic constellations, which access program, which allegedly conceals the
UAP retrieval not reverse engineering program, or at least passed over.
Matthew Brown's made it really clear that he believes there
is some kind of CADRA in cabal of people who
are conspiring to hide this story, and he has even
used the word parallel civilization. I mean, the implications of
this are quite extraordinary. If it's being hidden from very
senior military certainly.
Speaker 3: It wasn't briefed to Chris Mellen, who was.
Speaker 2: A Deputy Secretary of Defense. The full story wasn't given
to Donald Trump. Excuse me, there's somebody everything in If
that's happening, then, frankly, if it's being withheld from presidents,
I mean, it's just an unmentionable situation that we have
a situation where a president is not We're into something
that will properly be briefed into the person who's responsible
for the national security and defense of the United States.
Speaker 1: I would continue, you are an award winning journalist, and
so has this topic been a bad thing for you
at certain times?
Speaker 4: From colleagues. I mean do you get ridiculed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not really, and it's really unincaritable because
they are totally ignorant of what I think is the
beast story in human history exactly. It's their failure. Yeah,
I'm amazed that the media hasn't tried in the bulk
to try and inform itself about this issue. It's scaring
people in the face that this is a real issue.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's that people are so busy with
their lives and do you make in their mortgage payments?
Speaker 3: And I wish I could say what I think it is.
I find it just insanely bewildering.
Speaker 2: When Marco Rubio, for example, came up and said what
he said, you know, which is there are you know,
people of high credibility making these claims and basically said yes,
they should be investigated. I would have thought that that
would have been a hue to say the New York
Times investigation team to go, you know.
Speaker 3: What, let's have a look at this, let's take this seriously.
Speaker 2: But instead they abou themselves to live by the nose
by these people of the piccagon who.
Speaker 3: Are covering it up.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care anymore what they say about this.
If I accuse them of.
Speaker 3: A cover up, they are covering it up. There are people.
Speaker 2: Who are disinformation and side offs, people who are deliberately
playing word games and sophistry with how they respond to
me quodities, and the lead is not analyzing what were
being told. This is something I'm going to developing myself
in my own stage. I heard on the sleeping I
think there was a huge problem with the a usinal
fight all the league to realize being functioned.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you a situation. I watched a stream.
I don't think a lot of people caught it, but
I watched it. It was a stream where Kirk Pactrick
was speaking at an event, and so the event, well
he was basically done speaking and there were a journalists
in the front seat said hey, what information do you
have on the tic tac Ufo event in two thousand
and four And he just said, well, everyone out there
has exactly the same information I have. Is all you
can do is look on YouTube and like that. And
it's like I heard that and I'm going, oh my god,
what about you know the data bricks that were taken off.
Speaker 4: The It's extreme to see that.
Speaker 3: I find appalling.
Speaker 2: I mean, my turning point with the Defense Department was
when I got leaked details that Shawn Kirkpatrick when he
left Arrow was going to work with oak Ridge National Alboratories.
And if you remember, I got the details of his
name being registered to the staff list well before that's sorry,
it was zever officially our arts that he was hailing
the staff list, and it was hilarious because they denied it.
Speaker 3: They just wied, and then subsequently it came out he
was going to oak Ridge National Authoratories. And look, I
have a strong suspicion.
Speaker 2: That Shawn Kirkpatrick actually worked in or was read into
the program m. I think it's been that blatant the
level of cover up. The really interesting thing about this
is I'm vexed as a journalist because one of the
things that a lot of podcasters, a lot of commentators
in the UAP world don't seem to understand is that, oh, yeah,
I found the journalist and I'm critical of the Defense Department.
I'm critical of the defense community and the intelligence community.
Speaker 3: But I always always try.
Speaker 2: And respect why something might be being kept secret. And
so it's a question I asked myself all the time,
is there perhaps a valid, good.
Speaker 3: Reason why this needs to be kept secret.
Speaker 2: And so obviously I've dealt at a very high level
with people in the defense and intelligence community on a
background and only basis, and people in the private aerospace community.
Speaker 3: And one of the questions I've always trying and ask.
Speaker 2: Me is is the some reason that you can't speak
about it publicly, some very valid reason that you can't
talk about.
Speaker 3: That explains why this can't be revealed.
Speaker 2: And I actually had a conversation recently with somebody and
it's funny because it's quite geotop because it was the
allegation that in February nineteen fifty four, President Eisenhower supposedly
had a meeting with aliens in Edward's Airples base, so
that he was flown from here in essentially Palm Springs
to Edwards Zebel's base in a cover up of his
alleged trip to the dentist, and so the excuse while
he went to the dentist he had a broken tooth,
And a lot's being made in the conspiracy suggestions that
the president secretly had a meeting with aliens. And it's
really interesting because there's actually a lot of a lot
that there's independent evidence to support in the form of
a letter that was written I think to someone in
the Catholic Church that supported the idea that there was
this illicit meeting because there'd been a bishop or a
cardinal that had actually attended the same alleged meeting Edwards
Emple's face.
Speaker 3: And so I thought it was quite interesting that what
that whole.
Speaker 2: Which started here in Palm Springs, what that whole story
is about, is allegations that the president in nineteen fifty
four conclude.
Speaker 4: An agreement with ADS, right, And.
Speaker 2: So I've asked, I've said to people who should know,
are there agreements?
Speaker 3: Because David Russi, if.
Speaker 2: You remember, in his interview with me, he to some
degree admitted that one of the things he was sort
of clear to talk about in his doctor but not
quite was this suggestion of agreements. And I don't know
if you remember that I tried to explore with him
in my interview. You talk about agreements, what sort of agreements?
By invocation? Isn't that suggesting agreements with non human intelligence?
And I think David abducted. He said that's something that
I had to discuss and classify orders. But the implication
very clearly was that what we're talking about here is agreements.
And so one of the questions in my mind was
and has been, you know, is there an agreement between
humans and a non human species which might stop this from.
Speaker 3: Being revealed publicly?
Speaker 2: But when I've given people from the defense community, the
intelligence community, or private aerospace the opportunity to say, look, Ross,
you need to notice.
Speaker 3: You know, you've got to be fair.
Speaker 2: I can't say this publicly, but X y Z happened,
and this is why it can't.
Speaker 3: Be revealed, they never do that. In fact, quite the opposite.
Speaker 2: What they admit, the people that I'm talking to have knowledge,
direct knowledge of the Legacy program, is.
Speaker 3: That there is no good reason for this not to be.
Speaker 2: Revealed, right right, And essentially more it's a case of
but covering, not wanting.
Speaker 1: Part of it, that of explaining I've explaining to I
want to tell you this story because I think you'll
find it's interesting and just to hear your thoughts on it.
Speaker 4: And I would say, I know you have a is
he scheduled in another fifteen minutes or so possible? Okay?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: All right, so again I'll edit that out.
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, So back in the nineteen nineties. I wasn't
really looking at this topic. I was very busy, had
an auction company and was very busy, and so I
was getting life insurance and the life insurance broker came
to my home and we were sitting around afterwards to
get this policy all done, in all the paperwork, and
he talks.
Speaker 4: He said something about, well, you know, back that I
was in Vietnam then or something like that.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that must have been really a very
terrible experience. He goes, actually, no, he says, I was
actually in a secret part of the Air Force at
that time investigating.
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, well, what were you investigating? Looks
at me. He goes, I really want to know. He says,
UFOs during napalming, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I go, oh my goodness, I said,
I you know, I was like kind of blown away
by the whole thing. But anyway, and he says, yes,
and they're also in interested in our nukes. This is
I'm going to say, nineteen ninety two, nineteen all the three.
Speaker 4: Guys, what's that?
Speaker 3: Did he go on the wrickle?
Speaker 2: Uh No?
Speaker 1: At that time, I just he was just telling me
this is the way it was, I lost contact with
I'm been trying to reach him, but unfortunately I.
Speaker 4: Can't find it.
Speaker 3: I was set on. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well so anyway on the way.
Speaker 1: He was getting ready of leave, and I said, hey,
by the way, what what does what does our government
think they want with us? And he said he looked
at me and he just said, simply, we're a petri dish.
Speaker 4: That's what he said, and what I know. I mean,
so do you have to.
Speaker 2: Think it's too distressful for us to realize that relaborates? Yeah,
I mean that's what we're tooking. I mean, I was
not that Douglas Adams hitch Hooker's God to the Galaxy,
where it.
Speaker 3: Turned out that we humans thought we were in charge
of kind of all the time along.
Speaker 2: It was the White Last that had been the subject
of experiment to all these years and had lest intelligence
beings in the universe. I always loved that the thais
he had this contrarian sense of humor. It was hilarious.
But yeah, I mean, I mean, even if even if
it is the case that elaborates, even if it's a
taste that we're a petri dish, why couldn't we move it.
Why couldn't we be taking Yeah, I mean, I don't
understand why that would be so distressing for humanity. I
don't think people would run through the streets waving their
hands in the air. I think, if there is a
dark secret, what arrogant right is conferred upon some purpose
twat the Defense Department or the intelligence community to tell.
Speaker 4: Us that we're not allowed to hear the right right?
Speaker 2: And I think, if anything, as the time goes on,
people will be more and more angry in I don't know,
two through four or five, ten years, if they continue
suppressing the secret. And it's so boringly, placidly obvious, it's suppressing.
Speaker 1: So a YouTube video, but it was filmed back in
the eighteen fifties, was a gentleman with a derby black
and white and he says, I just want to know
before I die.
Speaker 4: What these are. So I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: One last thing I'd like to say to you, just
get your opinion it because when I had Loue Elizondo
on the one of my shows or whatever, trying to
get more information out of him by statement, he said,
he said he posted in a question, what if we
find out that We're not the highest intelligence here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, we already know that. I mean, the simple
thing is, there is an incredibly advanced civilization with incredibly
advanced technology craft. It's cheat got mutual capacities fabio that
astudies operating around us. Yeah, I mean it's not what
it's absolutely that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's.
Speaker 2: All all personally as a hypothetical. But I think we're
beyond that. I mean, that's the thing that I find
fascinating is I just think that. I mean one of
the things people often say.
Speaker 3: It's this boring bleat from a kind.
Speaker 2: Of a sort of interested smoke section of euphology. Who go, really,
as you post a story.
Speaker 4: I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 3: So boring and you know they call you grifter.
Speaker 4: Or where's the receipts?
Speaker 3: Where's the receipts? Yeah, let's see the document, release the videos.
Where's the you f And I just think, grow up, hmmm.
Speaker 2: The evidence is there. I mean, there's an abundance city.
It's on the on the public record, go right back
to the Nudgeen forties.
Speaker 3: But there is a phenomena that this pay of course.
Speaker 1: Studw you have every rate well right before you lose
your voice completely.
Speaker 4: I want to thank you so much. It's been a
real pleasure.
Speaker 3: No, probably, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Pleasure to meet you. Hey, everyone, So I've got thank
you for watching. I've got Dean ali Oto joining me
right now.
Speaker 5: Dean, Hey, how Wrio Martin.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. So I wanted to have you on
first of all, because you're the one that talked me
into going to that thing, and I'm holding you accountable.
Speaker 5: I did, and and you fell for it, and I'm
really sorry.
Speaker 3: To get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I got to say, that was an
absolute blast. That was so much fun. I just had
just an incredible time there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Captain Ron and his crew just crushed the hell
out of it. I mean, I've been to several other
UFO conventions and some of them are really great. Some
of them are, let's say, less than really great, right,
and this was this was the top. This is it.
I mean, I would park my mothership here anytime. It was.
It's a fun hang period. I mean, first and foremost,
you can you know, see your contemporaries, you can see
your idols. For me, it was seeing, you know, being
on panels with you know, Danny Shean and Richard Dowan,
who is awesome, and his wife Tracy.
Speaker 1: Seeing Tracy, Tracy is really really nice lady. I had
a really good conversation with her.
Speaker 5: Fun Yeah, yep, yeah, really really really good people. Of course,
hanging with Paul Heinik. That was the first time I also.
Speaker 1: Met a character.
Speaker 5: It's such a character. And that was the first time
I met Ross Carthalt. I've been on his his show
on News Nation and and and we had spoken several
times before him. But it was nice seeing him. I
did not know he was six'.
Speaker 1: Three, yeah he's very. Tall, YEAH i MEAN i took
a picture with, him AND i didn't even post it
BECAUSE i, thought, WOW i looked like such a shrimp
next to.
Speaker 3: Him.
Speaker 1: Yeah and you, know he came walking through with a an,
entourage you, KNOW i mean that, basically you, know he
was right on time like he said he would, be
and he had, like you, know these people helping him
out and stuff. Here so you AND I.
Speaker 5: I told you not to post.
Speaker 1: That that's WHY i am posting. It that was a weak.
Speaker 5: Moment THAT i. Had no it was. AMAZING i mean,
literally it's kind of the best of the best and
the setting at The Indian.
Speaker 1: Wells, yeah this is a shot of the right. Out
this is right outside of my balcony. Here i'm going
to post these in the in the show notes so
people can, see you, know what a wonderful area that.
Is and somewhere in HERE i have this is a
shot looking down from WHERE i. WAS i was up
on the seventh floor and it goes down you, know
to the mezzanine or whatever you want to call it.
There but what a beautiful. Hotel that was just. Amazing
it was.
Speaker 5: Amazing. Yeah and the thing, is it's really funny Because
Judy Chatterdan Saint judy lay it. Out, yeah she laid it.
Out she, said here's the. Deal you're going to get
there and you're going to catch your. Breath the first,
day you're going to hang at the pool and maybe
have a drink with an umbrella in. It i'm not
saying that happened or, not but it was a good.
Drink and THEN i mean walked me through all the
way to the end and then said and Then, monday
on the last, day you're going to stay as. Well
AND i, said, well isn't that kind of when People
Peter off and, stuff and she, says, no, no, no
that's when it gets.
Speaker 3: Good and what you.
Speaker 1: MEAN i was, gone, yeah, yeah you blew.
Speaker 5: It we were, there AND i was up until four.
AM i haven't been up until four am talking, about you,
know crazy stuff for. Years and so, NO i, Mean
i'm thinking of all the, names not the name, drop
but they're all. There it's it's like The Marvel universe
OF ufo.
Speaker 1: Personalities and there was someone there from one of The marvel, movies,
right Wasn't Isn't Tom jane my?
Speaker 5: Buddy, Yes Thomas jane was. There And thomas is probably
one of the biggest surprises, there because you, know he's an.
Actor he's been in The. Expanse my favorite role of
his was In Boogie. Nights he was also In Thin Red,
line had had a scene in that Crush. IT i
didn't know how much he knew about the, phenomenon and
we talked beforehand and we'd go to. Lunch but then
he goes out there and by all accounts knows his
crap backwards and, forwards and not only, that he contributes
to like amazing thoughts going beyond what would be in the.
Material and SO i asked, HIM i, said, hey would
you come and moderate you, know my my Movie The
Only Perspective part?
Speaker 3: Two and.
Speaker 5: He came out there no prep. Whatsoever and, usually you,
know people ask those questions that are, inevitable that are the,
standards AND i can kick it out right. Away he
asked me like two or three questions WHERE i had
to pause to like, really, go, okay hold, on this
is next. Level let me take a. Moment, Great, YEAH
i Mean Paul heineck And Greg bishop AND i were
like in awe of his.
Speaker 1: Question, yeah and you, KNOW i went up to. HIM
i had a conversation with him and asked if he
would be on my show and he said. Sure he
actually gave me his phone. Number how many actors you
know that had roles like him would actually do? That
and so he will be on the show. Eventually good. Peop, yeah,
YEAH i was Really AND i want to talk about
your movie BECAUSE i, thought you, know it was up
on the it was a. Screening basically you had a full. House.
NOW i was next To James fox when he did
his screening the night, before AND i get to, SAY
i do believe you had more people than he, did
and And i'm telling you what what great interaction to
listen to the audience and WHEN i had my little
two seconds of fame in your, movie some PEOPLE i
heard it a little bit of a cheer like some
people in the. Audience you, KNOW i thought that was
a pretty. Awesome you, KNOW i.
Speaker 5: Don't want to get into a competition thing with a
find about that these are equal. Filmmakers BUT i would
say that was embarrassing for. HIM i would say it
was truly compared.
Speaker 3: To what we.
Speaker 5: Had i'm going to have to send him this, clise
please Do, yeah, No, James, yeah he showed the. Program great,
documentary but that's my.
Speaker 3: Shizzle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we had dropped part one And Mitchell, kalku,
oh if you think of, it can you please silence
your phone before you come on the.
Speaker 1: Show, No i'm not going to do.
Speaker 3: THAT i will not be.
Speaker 5: Silenced i'm so, sorry But i'm going to take the.
Garbage excuse?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 5: No uh, Yeah mitchell calcu he was the host with,
that and then part. Two uh Doctor Diana, Pasoka, yeah the.
Speaker 4: Host she did a nice.
Speaker 1: Job nice, job very good.
Speaker 5: Job and in addition to, that we've got we've Got
Dave foley of, course we've Got David, chalmers we Have
Travis taylor in, There we've Got Kevin. KANUTH i, mean,
tons tons of, people AND i.
Speaker 1: WOULDN'T i don't really want. To you, Know i'm not
going to do a spoiler alert or anything like, that
BUT i will tell you there was something that you
did in that movie THAT i just want to congratulate you,
for because you followed the science no matter where it.
Went that's All i'm going to. Say And i'll leave
it up to the person that wants to watch your
the alien perspective, Too but instead of like either cutting
that out or trying to make it something, dramatic you
let the science go where it. Went AND i thought
that was. Fantastic thank, you thank.
Speaker 5: You, yeah and that and. Uh and then we also
had a there's someone in THE ufo community no longer with,
us who had a heck of a story and it
had been out there for a, while AND i was
fascinated by the. STORY i went down the rabbit hole
with with the rest of, us and and then came
across this. Evidence oh, yes. Irrefutable, literally everyone, SAYS i
want to see a photograph on. This this was the
photograph and that was. It and AND i was a
little worried THAT i was going to get eviscerated for, saying,
hey here's a sacred. Cow you can't do, that but
instead you were. THERE i, mean the irons. Cheered it
was like, great you you, know we can take that
off our. Plate but sometimes it's hard because you, Know
i'm not a pernicious. PERSON i don't ever mean to do,
that BUT i want to clear the, plate including my
own film WHEN i want a NATIONAL tv and debunked
my own film BECAUSE i want people to tape yeah mc,
ferson tape. YEAH i want people to be able to
focus on what is, real you, know and what's. Relevant
and SO i was terrified that there was going to
be a lynching and it was the exact. Opposite they said, no, no,
no thank you for clearing that.
Speaker 3: Up and so that was, yeah that was, yeah really.
Speaker 1: Good SO i just want to mention this because of
the dozens and dozens of comments THAT i had in,
chat and that is it's an obvious fact that, somehow
even THOUGH i did an audio test ahead Of ross With,
ross that the microphone. Failed AND i got back AND
i started listening to, it AND i couldn't even understand
what he was. SAYING i had a sound engineer work
on it for six hours and made it the best
it could be. Made he, said this is the very
best that can be. Done SO i do want to
apologize for for the. AUDIO i tried to do it.
RIGHT i also had a camera kind of mess. Up
it was going to be a two camera, interview and
that you. Have you tried to help me with. That
we went we got a cable At Best buy in
two hundred degree temperature. WEATHER i, did And i'm still.
Speaker 5: Bitter i'm still.
Speaker 1: Better we're still bitter about. THAT i think it was
one hundred and seven or something like. That when we
took that.
Speaker 3: Drive it was.
Speaker 5: Ridiculous and then the thing that you missed was me
trying to find a parking spot WHEN i came back
BECAUSE i dropped you off at the front. Right it,
was you know, what let's not go. There we already
dealt with that and forgiven and back to.
Speaker 1: Love SO i DIDN'T i got to tell, you you,
know AND i say this all the time When i'm
at these. Conferences to go to these, conferences and also
THE mc coming up At Pine bush on the seventh you,
know we're just a couple of. Days i'm leaving to
go up To New york and do. That i'm really
excited about. That so if anyone is in The New york,
area it's going to be a, great great conference people.
There it's going to Be Nick, pope there's going to
Be mark d', Antonio mary And Robin, dave And i'm
trying to think if there's anyone else that might be
it for the three speakers for that. Night DO i
mean four all? TOGETHER i do, Believe but, anyway it's
it should be a real fun time and there's a
festival all day, long a lot of. Fun SO i
don't know WHERE i was going with that other than
announcing Basically Pine.
Speaker 3: Bush but.
Speaker 1: As far as these, go you, know as far as
do you think there was a couple of thousand people,
THERE i was trying to figure it.
Speaker 5: Out oh there was more than. That, yeah this was
actually their their best. Year it, WAS i, MEAN i was.
Shocked i've been to other, festivals well film festivals because
of my my, films and it was a great, turnout
great turnout and very. Active, yes and you, Know, diane
Doctor Diane powell with the telepathy. Tapes she was there for.
Time it was the first time for a lot of.
Us i'd never been there. Before AS i, said, yeah
she was there and literally she could have gone, on
like they should have given her four. Hours she was
just amazing and all the questions AND i was there
And i'm writing down questions and, stuff And i'm, Going,
OKAY i have to have to ambush her later on
and coin her and Say, OKAY i need to know,
THIS i need to know. That but, yeah you, KNOW
i know WHAT i.
Speaker 1: WAS i kind of got sidetracked. There but WHAT i
was going to say IS i had so much fun
connecting with, people you, know not just the lectures that
WAS i mean just the like minded, people interesting, people
and you, KNOW i had a number of people chase
me down because they listened to the, show and that
was so much. Fun THEN i met these people here
WHO i introduced you. To oh, yeah That's sam And.
Kelly And kelly does a. Podcast and it's funny WHEN
i first Met, sam who was Standing i'm trying to
remember next to, who but he said something about a.
Podcast he, goes, well who doesn't do a? Podcast and
it's like there were so MANY i bet there was
one hundred or two hundred podcasters, there or maybe even
more than.
Speaker 5: THAT i don't think they let you in unless you
have a. PODCAST i think the threshold was only two,
subscribers so it was kind of you, know it was
no that was that's a really good. Point, Actually, God
i'm thinking of all the PEOPLE i, Met mark And.
Antonio that sounds Like mark D'Antonio. MICHAEL i don't remember
these guys last. Names, WELL i remember the first names
Because i'm. Dyslexic everyone that came up had brilliant, ideas
like like they wanted to run. Up some people just
want to be, heard or they just want to say thank,
you you, know for you, know. Contributing but it was just,
fun you, know grabbing a bunch of people and, saying,
hey let's go hang. Out you, know there's an outdoor,
campfire you, know going.
Speaker 1: Out oh, YEAH i WISH i could loaded. That i'll
see IF i. Can while we're, talking we're going to
see IF i can. UPLOAD i took a little shot
of something that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah but, yeah so that's that's you, know the main
reason obviously why we're doing this is to be able
to connect with the people out there who were all
on the same you know, wave you, know brain brain wave,
wavelength and and that was just every single. DAY i
mean it was. FUNNY i would be going to meet
someone and it would take probably four times as long
to get to that person because you would meet someone
and they, were.
Speaker 1: OH i, know that happened all the. TIME i would
like it was a perfect situation for a D d
because you have a focus and then you go on
whatever you're focusing, on and next thing you, know you're
talking to someone for three. Hours. Yeah, yeah and that
you didn't even know. Prior uh, YEAH i, watched, UH
i watched some of that going, on AND i was
definitely part of.
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, no absolutely. Absolutely and and just to kind of, again,
also when you get a bunch of people collectively, together
what happens is they, say, HEY i was thinking about,
this and your film made me think about, this and
that was a theory That i'd been working, on and
blah blah. Blah and so you end, up you, know
people are ping ponging ideas back and, forth and so
it becomes really one big think. TANK i would, say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah i'm just trying to find that and you,
know it's. FUNNY i was sitting next to this woman
and she, said you know that she was. There let's
see how many more. Minutes we have five minutes left,
up But i'm going to see IF i can find that.
Clip she was there only because she had A ufo siting.
Recently AND i mean it would have been excellent if
we could have listened to all the people that, had you,
know that were there because of a situation like, that just,
here you, know just to hear some new. Cases.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah it was funny Because i'm on this panel
for underwater. SUBMERSIBLES i. Hope, yeah these things are on.
YouTube i believe all the panels and stuff through contact
in the. Desert i'm on a panel AND i, thought,
Well i'm gonna Have i'm not gonna have anything to
contribute this as far as my own personal or secondhand,
experience you, know with regards to. This i've definitely been following,
it And i've had some ideas on the physics of.
It BUT i HAD i had just like last, week this.
Guy i'm at this party and this guy, said, HEY
i watch your. Movie i've got a lot of notes
the first, one part, One AND i, said. GREAT i
love you, Know christism and. Everything he, Says, NO i
want to let you know the things that you. Got,
right there's a couple of things that actually it was
this instead of. That i'm, like those are actually the
best notes because that helps. Me but he was telling
me about his own when he was in the, military
his own experience seeing something under the. Water i'll leave
it at. That but it was, Amazing and you, KNOW
i think there's more activity. POSSIBLY i think there's a
possibility there's more activity under the water than there is
above the, sky which makes more sense since we've got
seventy percent so much.
Speaker 1: Water, yep, yeah, yeah. Yeah and there there was a
panel there ON, usos, RIGHT i, mean wasn't.
Speaker 5: There that was the One i'm talking. About are you with?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 5: Martin are you with?
Speaker 1: ME i am with you NOW i understand what's going on.
Here the REASON i can't load that video is because
it's A mov file and then won't upload, unfortunately so
that's a. Bummer it was, anyway it was outside around
the campfire there with all the people drumming and. Dancing
it was such an awesome Nice but, anyway it looks
like we're just about ready to wrap it up, Here,
dean thank you so, much and when do you have
any idea when that film is coming out and where
someone can.
Speaker 5: Work So The Alien Perspective part one is available On
amazon And apple And The Alien Perspective part two just
drop this Past sunday exclusively On APPLE.
Speaker 1: Tv APPLE. Tv. Awesome, YEAH i highly recommend.
Speaker 3: It it.
Speaker 1: WAS i thought it was a very very well done
and all the way down and just one last THING
i do remember there was a woman that held her
hand up in the audience that wanted to talk to
you About you don't want me to say his, name
the one you found the other picture. Of, yeah she
was she was talking, about AND i wondered where she
was going to. Go she sounded a little bit upset at,
first but then she was, okay then she was.
Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah, well when you see part, one there was
a vicious cliffhanger about. Material i'll leave it at, that
and that we pay off and you finally get a
chance to get that and so, yeah, yeah, yeah Now
i'm glad that, that's you, know, finish AND i feel
Like i've done my my own version Of godfather one
and part. Two there'll be no part three Because Godfather
part three wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Good so, yeah, HEY i actually sold the horse, head
the fake horsehead at an.
Speaker 3: Auction did you?
Speaker 1: REALLY i really?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 5: Yes did you sell it to A sicilian.
Speaker 1: Or a movie?
Speaker 5: Star are ahead of a?
Speaker 1: STUDENT i can't remember who actually bought, it but, anyway
it was pretty. Funny BUT i actually had all the
paperwork came as a movie prop directly from the. Creator
so thank you so, Much. Dean it's been a real.
Pleasure all, right, Everyone so we'll see you next week
and we'll Have Gary hazeltine talking about The Rindlstrom force incidents,
plural lots of, Them so remember everyone to keep your
eyes to the.
Speaker 3: Sky