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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willas your host.

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We have a great one this evening for you. This

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a pre recorded show I did at Contact in the

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Desert with Ross coltheart. One of the main reasons I

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wanted to go there was to meet him, and it's

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a great interview, so I hope you're looking forward to that.

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Just a couple of things. First of all, I want

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to say that if you ever get the opportunity tunity

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to go to Contact in the Desert, I highly recommend it.

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It was an absolute blast. It seemed like thousands of people.

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I'm not sure how many there were. It was such

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an up beat situation. It was really wonderful. I really

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enjoyed it, and I will go to every single one

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of them. As long as I'm able to go, I

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will be there. So I just wanted to throw that

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out there. The blog this week is Consciousness Recall Versus

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Hypnotic Regression and Abduction an abduction case by Charles Lear.

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Check that out over at podcast ufo dot com. You

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can also support the show over there, just click the

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dollars a month. You can get in ad free audio

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podcasts through Patreon. Just a big I think it's kind

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of a big announcement because I had to really think

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hard about this. I believe I have about seven or eight,

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maybe even ten, really good interviews that i got at

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Contact in the Desert that I'm going to be putting

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out on Friday evening starting June thirteenth, and then I'm

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going to continue. So it's basically I'm going to have

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two shows a week and they will be in the

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podcast feed. So the Friday show June thirteenth, they will

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be you know, it might be a little difficult for

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some people on Friday, because I know Friday night is

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a night where a lot of people do things, go out,

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et cetera. But you can always listen to it as

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a podcast, or watch it on YouTube or wherever else.

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It's on a bunch of things, rumble, et cetera, So

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you can always watch it after if you don't happen

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to make it live. But it's going to be again

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Friday at six to seven pm Eastern every Friday, starting

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on June thirteenth. The first one, you're going to absolutely love.

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It was one of my very favorite interviews with Paul Heinek.

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We talk about UFOs, but also about AI. He likes

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to call it augmented intelligence, not artificial intelligence. But he

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was such an entertaining guest. I also have Mitch Randall

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talking about the same subject, artificial intelligence, and that's coming

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up on one of the Friday nights. Next week we

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have Gary Hazelton. He's going to be talking about all

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the Rendalsham Force incidents that happened over the years. Not

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just you know Renderstrom, the Rendalshom Force incidents that we

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know of, but many, many, many incidents that happened before

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and after and some people say ongoing it's kind of funny.

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I ran into so many people at Contact. It was

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just wonderful. I made some new friends. A little shout

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out to Sam and Kelly. I made great friends and people.

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I was sitting having breakfast with Matt Ford, you know

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of the Good Trouble Show. He's one of the people

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I interview. But I was having breakfast with him and

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someone walked by and they stopped and they recognized my

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voice and ran up to me. It was a lot

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of fun running into people in the elevators and one

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and he asked me, you know who I was and etc.

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and you just held up his iPhone and went right

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podcast feed. I thought that was pretty funny. I got

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show notes today. Perhaps I'll bring them up when Dean

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Alioto joins me after this about a thirty minute or

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so interview with Ross Coldheart and the Dean Aliotto, who

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Contact in the Desert. He will be joining me live.

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then back where Dean Aliotto and I are going to

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film and what great the audience loved it. I loved

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it too. So here we go with Ross Coldheart. Thank you, Ross,

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welcome to the show, see you, and thank you so much.

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main reasons I came to this event is I wanted

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to media in person. Yeah, and I think I would

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say there are some people that have kind of helped

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move the needle in this world and you're at the top.

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I can't think of anyone above you at this present time.

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Speaker 2: I honestly don't see myself as an activist to you,

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ap activist. All I see myself doing, I honestly tell you,

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is covering a story.

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Speaker 3: It's sartin a bit, as.

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Speaker 2: I suppose that the story that I'm covering is helping

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scratchy record on this. I just don't understand why the

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rest of the mainstream press isn't following this issue as

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aggressively as I am, because it's so obvious something going on,

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and to me, it's kind of disgraceful. It's going to

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be a failure point, a major point in time to come.

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When the recketing is coming, it will be remembered that

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this was the point when the media really did drop

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the ball. Yes, they failed to cover the Iraq War properly.

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Iraq War. Yes, we know now there were contient indications

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that were being suppressed improperly about the COVID vaccient that

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was also suppressed by the media. Yes, the media allowed

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itself to be manipulated over the crimes of it'steeing. A

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lot of the stuff that frankly was dismissed as wacky

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conspiracy theories by mainstream media has been.

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Speaker 3: Found to have some basis right.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why that doesn't compel a re

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examination of the taboo stetma that's attached to the whole

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Speaker 3: At what point do they realize they're being light.

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Speaker 4: To right right now?

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, going back to when you interviewed

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particular situation up. I first heard that, I thought, oh god,

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this is maybe this is a step too far, you know,

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the crash vehicles and all that. But it's just I

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was lucky enough to be able to make it in

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the room for the DC hearing, so that was really amazing.

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you can see, more awareness, it's kind of self perpetuating.

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happy about News Nation because they were paying attention to this,

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and now you have that show on your on there

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all the time, and I am so glad that they're

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actually giving this coverage.

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Speaker 3: There's actually an industry report.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe this until I saw it reported independently

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that the coverage in the data grush story and the

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subsequent up coverage that we've done at NewsNation has actually

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lifted the ratings nine hundred ninety percent.

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Speaker 3: Nine. I mean, it was obviously from a relatively small base,

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Speaker 3: For the management of NewsNation or Next. But this really.

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Speaker 2: Happened because of the support of Michael Cord, the boss

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of News Nation, and Sean Compton, who's one of the

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principles of Next, of the founders of Next, and they

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took a punt, as we say in Australia. They took

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the risk and accepted assurances that there was this public

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audience that wants to hear about UAPs and they wanted

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investigated credibly. And look, frankly, it's an active executive editorial leadership.

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the senior news producers at NewsNation and his leadership and

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other people producers I've worked with, like me and Irana,

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And I'm blown away and I'm interesting, credulous. You know

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some of the recent views. I think we re released

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the David Grusha to you the other day and it's

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now giving up to nearly five million views.

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Speaker 4: Of God, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I guess what that shows me is even though the

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mainstream meare literally, I think, willfully trying to ignore this story,

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it's a huge story right under their nose. And the

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real laughing point, I actually don't want to push it

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too hard that they investigate it too much, because frankly,

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it's doing me a lot of good.

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Speaker 3: It's great that they're.

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Speaker 2: Ignoring it because it's bringing an enormous audience to Newstation,

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especially to my show Reality Check. And I don't want

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to sound arrogance about it because it's such a fickle

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thing the TV industry, but there is obviously a very

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large audience hart there that wants this material and they

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want this issue credibly investigated, and I honestly feel that

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to come back to the point that you ask me

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at the very top, I'm not an activist. I'm a journalist,

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and I'm covering this story as I think it should

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be covered as an to us and I had really

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I'm closetly amazed the huge credits get drapped, amazing scoops

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get drawed in the uIP feud and they just get

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Speaker 1: I talked about that all the time, and so does

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Speaker 4: Involved in the show.

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Speaker 1: You know, like she'll call her cousin who semi into it,

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't heard an you know.

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Speaker 1: So December sixteenth, seventeenth, twenty seventeen comes along New York Times.

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Speaker 4: Now they have a wreck.

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Speaker 1: They had record views on that website when they talked

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about the Pentagon in UFOs. What prior to that coming up?

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in twenty eleven, and I was considered, you know, even

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though I tried to stick to nuts and bolts, but

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you know, in the mainstream public, there's kind of a

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fringe topic for me to talk about. This that happened

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that changed everything. Chara to that, had you had an

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interest in this type.

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Speaker 2: I actually just talked about this is my own no

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podcast with Bryson ad Or, so I'm quite fresh on

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the whole memory as a boy in nineteen seventy eight,

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when I was about sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving away my own yere.

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Speaker 2: There was an incident in New Zealand where I was living,

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called the kai Kura Lights, and it became quite a

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famous incident because it involved a New Zealand cargo plane

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of the South Island coast, and it was buzzed by

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numerous elliptical UFOs. And the really cool thing about it

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was there was a camera crew that had heard about

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previous sightings on this trip and they were on board,

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and they were from Australia, from a TV station in Australia,

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and they filmed pretty vague to be honest, vision of

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or video of these on shaped craft zooming up to

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Speaker 3: The profit and then zooming away. And quite aside from

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the film, it.

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Speaker 2: Was the testimony of the people who'd been on board

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that night about what they saw their a one human eyeboard.

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Speaker 3: It was so interesting that I would admit when I

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saw that story as a sixpen year old teenager.

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Speaker 2: I accepted the New Zealand Air Force explanation that came

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Speaker 3: Conference and he announced that these were.

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Speaker 2: Just mistaken squire boat lights and also the planet Us,

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Speaker 3: He shoed my shoulders and went, well, yeah, a tabloid.

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Speaker 2: Beat up in the news media or a joke, and

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it made me skeptical. I always accepted the explanation that

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Kakuru was a joke, that it was just a silly hoax,

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and that these records got all excited. It wasn't until

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friend who was the captain at the cargo plane much

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Speaker 3: Might be something to this.

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Zealand darchives were released, I think around twenty eleven, and

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Speaker 3: There was a cover up.

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Speaker 2: It was enormous pressure being cooked by the Prime Minister's

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of this because of pressure from the Ericas to basically

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shut this story down, and I also had first person

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corroboration of this in an interview I did with the

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New Zealand retired New Zealand the Prime Minister, and I

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Speaker 3: We used to call it Pety baldher It's a force of.

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onto a good farm politician actually, but he'd taken a

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close interest in making sure that Kaikoura case was shut down.

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this and I read the New Zealand newspapers covering the

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release of these art guys, and I realized, oh, my goodness,

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so this story that I read when I was sixteen

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Speaker 3: I'd followed it like everybody else. Maybe there was something

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Speaker 2: And then when I was researching my book a few

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years later, I tracked down and interviewed Quentin Fogotin, who

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cargo plane that night. And I also met and interview

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Jess Grant, who was another reporter who'd been on the

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cargo plane that night, and their testimony English Roxolomy. I

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also spoke to Bruce mccabee got Rested Soul, who was

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the US physicist of Great Banan, who did an absolute

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fantastic investigation into the Kaikoraites story. And this definitively showed,

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I think, by consulting astronomers and everybody else, it couldn't

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possibly have been this. And more importantly, a plane flying

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at fourteen thousand feet could not possibly have confused these

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objects for squid boat lights which were.

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Speaker 3: In a completely different part of the ocean, and.

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Speaker 2: Which could not pausibly explain what this pilot can very

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professionally explained along with his co pilot PC. And it's funny,

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you know, because I might be getting something away here.

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he recently asked me to review a manuscript of his,

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Speaker 3: New telling of the whole Kaikoura story. And I didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: All the other detail that was there, that there had

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been previous flights where other pilots who have recorded seeing

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Speaker 3: And then the pista resistance for me was I finally found.

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Speaker 2: John Corney, who was the air traffic controller who'd been

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capital city of New Zealand that night, and he watched

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these objects on radar at the exact time that they

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were saying via radio from the plane that they were

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moving in a certain direction. He could see those objects

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moving in a certain direction. So you had something very

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similar to the tech Tak incident, that kind of corroborative

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observation by multiple witnesses of an object tracked on radar

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a sensor system and moving in the direction that was

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being preferred completely independently by those witnesses. And we also

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had the handwritten notes of Dennis Grat who'd written shorthand

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notes as all this was happening that night. It was

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a really thorough, in impeccably detailed piece of research that

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showed that there had indeed been an anomalous incident that

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took place off the New Zealand coast that night. But

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more importantly, I was also persuaded by other sources.

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Speaker 3: Of mine that I meet along the.

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Speaker 2: Way that it really was the case that the Americans

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had interceded with the New Zealand government to make sure

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this story was buried as soon as unit as possible.

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Speaker 1: That is the interesting part to me, because you think

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of all the evidence they had there and nothing to

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Speaker 2: And of course, one of the things that's about this

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case that's really interesting you'd probably noticed about them, but

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a few minutes prior to the concrura Ufo incident in

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December nineteen seventy eight, you had the Frederick belitic Jous incident.

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And this is an amazing story of a young something

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pilot flying across the beast straight night at night in

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a light plane and he sees a gigantic object, a

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metallic craft, hovering above him, and his last words before

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he disappears forever is and it's not a plane.

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Speaker 4: That's right now. There's an original recording somewhere. There's a

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remake of I have the original on my laptop. You

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actually do.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, I mean, the good the reason they control

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out out of respect for the families. They generally don't

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reveal the actual communications of people who we know died

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or suspected to have died, and.

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Speaker 3: Kept craft pressures.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who that released the track of control

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recordiams and they're so distressing. I don't think they should

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generally be released. But in this case, the family I

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think Frederick started. We had been given a copy of

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Vieio tape and he shared it with people.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now, a few years ago, I want to say three

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years ago, maybe I was sitting with Bryce at his

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beautiful home and we were discussing things and he said, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, a guy named Ross Colder said oh, yeah, yeah,

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I think you had been on my show at that time.

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Speaker 1: But he says he's contacted me. We're thinking about doing

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a podcast together. I said, oh, that would be great because.

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Speaker 4: I think the world of Bryce. I'm very intelligent man,

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he's trends out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I said that would be awesome. And

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I got to tell you I love your podcast. I

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didn't catch the latest one, but I caught the one before.

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I usually catch them all, and I've actually sat on

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my show a number of times. Need to Know is

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a great podcast.

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Speaker 4: To shut it out?

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we really do it every month at the

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moment because of cool so we say it's so busy

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my own show and reality with Newsation, which.

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Speaker 3: Is just lost all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind a good.

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Speaker 2: Way, because I thought twenty seventeen was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: But the fire.

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Speaker 2: Hose of information that is coming out of the lead,

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it is gaining such I mean, it's quite a yeff.

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I can't believe the volume of coverage that's coming out

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of the letter and the really interesting stories.

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Speaker 1: Every day, right, I know, I'm watching and who's the

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lovely lady that is on with you?

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Speaker 3: Big?

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right, Megan, Yes, she's very good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is it's almost like every day, what's

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there to watch?

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Speaker 4: And you know there's another one from Rice and Well.

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Speaker 3: What we're trying to do is cover it as the

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news story.

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Speaker 2: And I think for years one of the problems in

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the news media has been there's been kind of like

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this embarrassed to cringe the church Jill about UFOs.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's warranted. I really am. I mean,

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I looked at the evidence.

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Speaker 2: I'm entitled to say I may an assessment, and I

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think it's legitman to treat this is a serious subject

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for investigation, and I don't think the gible factor is warranted.

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Whether you have the United States government saying yes, this

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is a real phenomenon, this is worthy of investigation. Yes,

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there are things we can't explain. Yes, there are the

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five observables. There are objects that are doing hypersonic velocities,

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instantaneous velocity, they're doing trans medium travel, they're doing stealth,

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and probably the most importantly of all, they're showing apparent

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preculsion systems that suggest anti gravity. Those are phenomenon that

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are being courted and recorded by the military, And it's

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now beyond any possibility of denial that this is real.

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What is going on still is a continuing cover up

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with the PAGGO, the intelligence community, for reasons based on themselves,

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continuing to push the line that this is going to

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an issue be explained away prosaically, and it's only a

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matter of time before this is all put to be.

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You worry, your tiny little hits. We in the military

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and know what's going on, and greatly I don't think

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they do.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they know that. I think they may

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know more than This is my own term that I use.

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I think they may know more than we do, but

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they don't have the whole picture. And because they don't

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have the whole picture, how could they possibly say that

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they can protect us from whatever it is, or know

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what it is, you know. So that's why I think

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I don't think that in that way. I don't think

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disclosure is going to be coming out easily by through

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the government.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Congress or the government, un least President

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Trump has right that suddenly decides to issue an executive

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order because I mean, he promised to. He promised to

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a shown executive order or to at least make an

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order for more transparency on the UFO data documents videos

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that he hasn't done.

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Speaker 3: He fails to honor his promise.

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Speaker 2: The President has not honored his promise, and that that's sad. Yeah,

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because I know there is interest at his level. His son,

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Donald Trump Junior interviewed me in Decender. Yes, the family

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are interested in this subject matter, right, And it's interesting.

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I wonder sometimes where the presidents are sat down and

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are rooted and they're told, okay, boss, there are UFOs.

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They are a non human intelligence. They're here, but this

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is the reason why we can't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I asked Chris, I was.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Chris Mellen when he first came out that

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he was interested in this stuffic and I asked him

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that very quite, and he said that if the president

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at the time asked if there are UFOs and what

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are they, that they will tell him what they know.

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But then your title to your show need to know.

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They probably don't. It's compartmentalize. I'm sure you know what

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I know, Bill Clinton. I'm much further now on what

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I know, Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton tried to.

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Speaker 2: Do this, he asked, But yes, it's true that he

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commissioned Whibs to huddle his Whitewater's deputy White House Council

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to go and do an investigation, indeed, to go to

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Area fifty one to find out what the hell was there.

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But I know Bill Clinton was frustrated in his attempts

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to get answers. They have lie to presidents. There really

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is a view amongst those guarding this secret that presidents

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have no right to know. But definition, if somebody is

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the commander in chief of the American our forces, which

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the president constitutionally is, they should be entitled to know.

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I actually have dubs. Even the Joint chiefs of Staff

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Chairman has briefed it to the secret. I actually kept

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lower than that. This is, as Matthew Brown recently said,

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the guy who again has been talking about the alleged

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of mathetic constellations, which access program, which allegedly conceals the

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UAP retrieval not reverse engineering program, or at least passed over.

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Matthew Brown's made it really clear that he believes there

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is some kind of CADRA in cabal of people who

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are conspiring to hide this story, and he has even

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used the word parallel civilization. I mean, the implications of

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this are quite extraordinary. If it's being hidden from very

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senior military certainly.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't briefed to Chris Mellen, who was.

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Speaker 2: A Deputy Secretary of Defense. The full story wasn't given

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to Donald Trump. Excuse me, there's somebody everything in If

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that's happening, then, frankly, if it's being withheld from presidents,

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I mean, it's just an unmentionable situation that we have

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a situation where a president is not We're into something

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that will properly be briefed into the person who's responsible

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for the national security and defense of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I would continue, you are an award winning journalist, and

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so has this topic been a bad thing for you

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at certain times?

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Speaker 4: From colleagues. I mean do you get ridiculed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not really, and it's really unincaritable because

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they are totally ignorant of what I think is the

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beast story in human history exactly. It's their failure. Yeah,

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I'm amazed that the media hasn't tried in the bulk

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to try and inform itself about this issue. It's scaring

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people in the face that this is a real issue.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's that people are so busy with

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their lives and do you make in their mortgage payments?

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Speaker 3: And I wish I could say what I think it is.

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I find it just insanely bewildering.

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Speaker 2: When Marco Rubio, for example, came up and said what

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he said, you know, which is there are you know,

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people of high credibility making these claims and basically said yes,

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they should be investigated. I would have thought that that

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would have been a hue to say the New York

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Times investigation team to go, you know.

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Speaker 3: What, let's have a look at this, let's take this seriously.

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Speaker 2: But instead they abou themselves to live by the nose

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by these people of the piccagon who.

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Speaker 3: Are covering it up.

476
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care anymore what they say about this.

477
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,400
If I accuse them of.

478
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,759
Speaker 3: A cover up, they are covering it up. There are people.

479
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: Who are disinformation and side offs, people who are deliberately

480
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,640
playing word games and sophistry with how they respond to

481
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,279
me quodities, and the lead is not analyzing what were

482
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,680
being told. This is something I'm going to developing myself

483
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,599
in my own stage. I heard on the sleeping I

484
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,680
think there was a huge problem with the a usinal

485
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,119
fight all the league to realize being functioned.

486
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,319
Speaker 1: I want to tell you a situation. I watched a stream.

487
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,920
I don't think a lot of people caught it, but

488
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,359
I watched it. It was a stream where Kirk Pactrick

489
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,480
was speaking at an event, and so the event, well

490
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,559
he was basically done speaking and there were a journalists

491
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,839
in the front seat said hey, what information do you

492
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,119
have on the tic tac Ufo event in two thousand

493
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,799
and four And he just said, well, everyone out there

494
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,559
has exactly the same information I have. Is all you

495
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,480
can do is look on YouTube and like that. And

496
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,559
it's like I heard that and I'm going, oh my god,

497
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,640
what about you know the data bricks that were taken off.

498
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,279
Speaker 4: The It's extreme to see that.

499
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: I find appalling.

500
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,079
Speaker 2: I mean, my turning point with the Defense Department was

501
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,680
when I got leaked details that Shawn Kirkpatrick when he

502
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,759
left Arrow was going to work with oak Ridge National Alboratories.

503
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,160
And if you remember, I got the details of his

504
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,680
name being registered to the staff list well before that's sorry,

505
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,599
it was zever officially our arts that he was hailing

506
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000
the staff list, and it was hilarious because they denied it.

507
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,319
Speaker 3: They just wied, and then subsequently it came out he

508
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,880
was going to oak Ridge National Authoratories. And look, I

509
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,599
have a strong suspicion.

510
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: That Shawn Kirkpatrick actually worked in or was read into

511
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,599
the program m. I think it's been that blatant the

512
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:48,359
level of cover up. The really interesting thing about this

513
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:54,319
is I'm vexed as a journalist because one of the

514
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,720
things that a lot of podcasters, a lot of commentators

515
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:02,519
in the UAP world don't seem to understand is that, oh, yeah,

516
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,160
I found the journalist and I'm critical of the Defense Department.

517
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480
I'm critical of the defense community and the intelligence community.

518
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,759
Speaker 3: But I always always try.

519
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: And respect why something might be being kept secret. And

520
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,519
so it's a question I asked myself all the time,

521
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400
is there perhaps a valid, good.

522
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,759
Speaker 3: Reason why this needs to be kept secret.

523
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,039
Speaker 2: And so obviously I've dealt at a very high level

524
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,960
with people in the defense and intelligence community on a

525
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,839
background and only basis, and people in the private aerospace community.

526
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,559
Speaker 3: And one of the questions I've always trying and ask.

527
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,319
Speaker 2: Me is is the some reason that you can't speak

528
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,680
about it publicly, some very valid reason that you can't

529
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,759
talk about.

530
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,279
Speaker 3: That explains why this can't be revealed.

531
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,039
Speaker 2: And I actually had a conversation recently with somebody and

532
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,759
it's funny because it's quite geotop because it was the

533
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:07,160
allegation that in February nineteen fifty four, President Eisenhower supposedly

534
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240
had a meeting with aliens in Edward's Airples base, so

535
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,240
that he was flown from here in essentially Palm Springs

536
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,960
to Edwards Zebel's base in a cover up of his

537
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,720
alleged trip to the dentist, and so the excuse while

538
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,400
he went to the dentist he had a broken tooth,

539
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:28,680
And a lot's being made in the conspiracy suggestions that

540
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
the president secretly had a meeting with aliens. And it's

541
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,000
really interesting because there's actually a lot of a lot

542
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,359
that there's independent evidence to support in the form of

543
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,400
a letter that was written I think to someone in

544
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,279
the Catholic Church that supported the idea that there was

545
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,519
this illicit meeting because there'd been a bishop or a

546
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:55,440
cardinal that had actually attended the same alleged meeting Edwards

547
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,000
Emple's face.

548
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,119
Speaker 3: And so I thought it was quite interesting that what

549
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:00,079
that whole.

550
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,559
Speaker 2: Which started here in Palm Springs, what that whole story

551
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,880
is about, is allegations that the president in nineteen fifty

552
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,279
four conclude.

553
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: An agreement with ADS, right, And.

554
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: So I've asked, I've said to people who should know,

555
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:18,799
are there agreements?

556
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:20,359
Speaker 3: Because David Russi, if.

557
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,759
Speaker 2: You remember, in his interview with me, he to some

558
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,559
degree admitted that one of the things he was sort

559
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:30,359
of clear to talk about in his doctor but not

560
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,920
quite was this suggestion of agreements. And I don't know

561
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,319
if you remember that I tried to explore with him

562
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,920
in my interview. You talk about agreements, what sort of agreements?

563
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,079
By invocation? Isn't that suggesting agreements with non human intelligence?

564
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,359
And I think David abducted. He said that's something that

565
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,680
I had to discuss and classify orders. But the implication

566
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,039
very clearly was that what we're talking about here is agreements.

567
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,519
And so one of the questions in my mind was

568
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,279
and has been, you know, is there an agreement between

569
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
humans and a non human species which might stop this from.

570
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,759
Speaker 3: Being revealed publicly?

571
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,799
Speaker 2: But when I've given people from the defense community, the

572
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,480
intelligence community, or private aerospace the opportunity to say, look, Ross,

573
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:18,599
you need to notice.

574
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, you've got to be fair.

575
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: I can't say this publicly, but X y Z happened,

576
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,720
and this is why it can't.

577
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: Be revealed, they never do that. In fact, quite the opposite.

578
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: What they admit, the people that I'm talking to have knowledge,

579
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400
direct knowledge of the Legacy program, is.

580
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:41,119
Speaker 3: That there is no good reason for this not to be.

581
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,279
Speaker 2: Revealed, right right, And essentially more it's a case of

582
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,240
but covering, not wanting.

583
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,839
Speaker 1: Part of it, that of explaining I've explaining to I

584
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,599
want to tell you this story because I think you'll

585
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,440
find it's interesting and just to hear your thoughts on it.

586
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: And I would say, I know you have a is

587
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,839
he scheduled in another fifteen minutes or so possible? Okay?

588
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: Sure?

589
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: All right, so again I'll edit that out.

590
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, So back in the nineteen nineties. I wasn't

591
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
really looking at this topic. I was very busy, had

592
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,759
an auction company and was very busy, and so I

593
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440
was getting life insurance and the life insurance broker came

594
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480
to my home and we were sitting around afterwards to

595
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,400
get this policy all done, in all the paperwork, and

596
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,839
he talks.

597
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: He said something about, well, you know, back that I

598
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,119
was in Vietnam then or something like that.

599
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,039
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that must have been really a very

600
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,039
terrible experience. He goes, actually, no, he says, I was

601
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,799
actually in a secret part of the Air Force at

602
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,079
that time investigating.

603
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,559
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, well, what were you investigating? Looks

604
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,839
at me. He goes, I really want to know. He says,

605
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,240
UFOs during napalming, et cetera.

606
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I go, oh my goodness, I said,

607
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,200
I you know, I was like kind of blown away

608
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,319
by the whole thing. But anyway, and he says, yes,

609
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,799
and they're also in interested in our nukes. This is

610
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,599
I'm going to say, nineteen ninety two, nineteen all the three.

611
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: Guys, what's that?

612
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,839
Speaker 3: Did he go on the wrickle?

613
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: Uh No?

614
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: At that time, I just he was just telling me

615
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,199
this is the way it was, I lost contact with

616
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,039
I'm been trying to reach him, but unfortunately I.

617
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,559
Speaker 4: Can't find it.

618
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: I was set on. Yeah.

619
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 4: Well so anyway on the way.

620
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: He was getting ready of leave, and I said, hey,

621
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,199
by the way, what what does what does our government

622
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,960
think they want with us? And he said he looked

623
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960
at me and he just said, simply, we're a petri dish.

624
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:39,519
Speaker 4: That's what he said, and what I know. I mean,

625
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:40,440
so do you have to.

626
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: Think it's too distressful for us to realize that relaborates? Yeah,

627
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,400
I mean that's what we're tooking. I mean, I was

628
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
not that Douglas Adams hitch Hooker's God to the Galaxy,

629
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:50,400
where it.

630
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,519
Speaker 3: Turned out that we humans thought we were in charge

631
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,239
of kind of all the time along.

632
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,519
Speaker 2: It was the White Last that had been the subject

633
00:34:56,599 --> 00:35:00,000
of experiment to all these years and had lest intelligence

634
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,639
beings in the universe. I always loved that the thais

635
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,280
he had this contrarian sense of humor. It was hilarious.

636
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,320
But yeah, I mean, I mean, even if even if

637
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,760
it is the case that elaborates, even if it's a

638
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,760
taste that we're a petri dish, why couldn't we move it.

639
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Why couldn't we be taking Yeah, I mean, I don't

640
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,679
understand why that would be so distressing for humanity. I

641
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:24,880
don't think people would run through the streets waving their

642
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,760
hands in the air. I think, if there is a

643
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,679
dark secret, what arrogant right is conferred upon some purpose

644
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,840
twat the Defense Department or the intelligence community to tell.

645
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,039
Speaker 4: Us that we're not allowed to hear the right right?

646
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: And I think, if anything, as the time goes on,

647
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,880
people will be more and more angry in I don't know,

648
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,960
two through four or five, ten years, if they continue

649
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,559
suppressing the secret. And it's so boringly, placidly obvious, it's suppressing.

650
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: So a YouTube video, but it was filmed back in

651
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,400
the eighteen fifties, was a gentleman with a derby black

652
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,239
and white and he says, I just want to know

653
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,599
before I die.

654
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 4: What these are. So I don't know if that's true.

655
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,199
Speaker 1: One last thing I'd like to say to you, just

656
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,119
get your opinion it because when I had Loue Elizondo

657
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,599
on the one of my shows or whatever, trying to

658
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,039
get more information out of him by statement, he said,

659
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,360
he said he posted in a question, what if we

660
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,639
find out that We're not the highest intelligence here.

661
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,079
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, we already know that. I mean, the simple

662
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,199
thing is, there is an incredibly advanced civilization with incredibly

663
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:43,239
advanced technology craft. It's cheat got mutual capacities fabio that

664
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,480
astudies operating around us. Yeah, I mean it's not what

665
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,000
it's absolutely that's true.

666
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's.

667
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,679
Speaker 2: All all personally as a hypothetical. But I think we're

668
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,119
beyond that. I mean, that's the thing that I find

669
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:04,719
fascinating is I just think that. I mean one of

670
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,239
the things people often say.

671
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,159
Speaker 3: It's this boring bleat from a kind.

672
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: Of a sort of interested smoke section of euphology. Who go, really,

673
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,159
as you post a story.

674
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: I know who you're talking about.

675
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: So boring and you know they call you grifter.

676
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,679
Speaker 4: Or where's the receipts?

677
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,599
Speaker 3: Where's the receipts? Yeah, let's see the document, release the videos.

678
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,119
Where's the you f And I just think, grow up, hmmm.

679
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: The evidence is there. I mean, there's an abundance city.

680
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,719
It's on the on the public record, go right back

681
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,400
to the Nudgeen forties.

682
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,159
Speaker 3: But there is a phenomena that this pay of course.

683
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: Studw you have every rate well right before you lose

684
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,880
your voice completely.

685
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: I want to thank you so much. It's been a

686
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:56,400
real pleasure.

687
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: No, probably, it's a pleasure to be on your podcast.

688
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 1: Pleasure to meet you. Hey, everyone, So I've got thank

689
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,880
you for watching. I've got Dean ali Oto joining me

690
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,440
right now.

691
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: Dean, Hey, how Wrio Martin.

692
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. So I wanted to have you on

693
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,440
first of all, because you're the one that talked me

694
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,599
into going to that thing, and I'm holding you accountable.

695
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 5: I did, and and you fell for it, and I'm

696
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,400
really sorry.

697
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,519
Speaker 3: To get that.

698
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I got to say, that was an

699
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,960
absolute blast. That was so much fun. I just had

700
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,239
just an incredible time there.

701
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Captain Ron and his crew just crushed the hell

702
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,960
out of it. I mean, I've been to several other

703
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,639
UFO conventions and some of them are really great. Some

704
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,199
of them are, let's say, less than really great, right,

705
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,639
and this was this was the top. This is it.

706
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,760
I mean, I would park my mothership here anytime. It was.

707
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280
It's a fun hang period. I mean, first and foremost,

708
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,039
you can you know, see your contemporaries, you can see

709
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,280
your idols. For me, it was seeing, you know, being

710
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,320
on panels with you know, Danny Shean and Richard Dowan,

711
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,079
who is awesome, and his wife Tracy.

712
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Seeing Tracy, Tracy is really really nice lady. I had

713
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:32,440
a really good conversation with her.

714
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,199
Speaker 5: Fun Yeah, yep, yeah, really really really good people. Of course,

715
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,480
hanging with Paul Heinik. That was the first time I also.

716
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,119
Speaker 1: Met a character.

717
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,079
Speaker 5: It's such a character. And that was the first time

718
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,440
I met Ross Carthalt. I've been on his his show

719
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,480
on News Nation and and and we had spoken several

720
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719
times before him. But it was nice seeing him. I

721
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,719
did not know he was six'.

722
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: Three, yeah he's very. Tall, YEAH i MEAN i took

723
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,280
a picture with, him AND i didn't even post it

724
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,960
BECAUSE i, thought, WOW i looked like such a shrimp

725
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,280
next to.

726
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: Him.

727
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah and you, know he came walking through with a an,

728
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,719
entourage you, KNOW i mean that, basically you, know he

729
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,400
was right on time like he said he would, be

730
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,400
and he had, like you, know these people helping him

731
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,000
out and stuff. Here so you AND I.

732
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,079
Speaker 5: I told you not to post.

733
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: That that's WHY i am posting. It that was a weak.

734
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 5: Moment THAT i. Had no it was. AMAZING i mean,

735
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,800
literally it's kind of the best of the best and

736
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,480
the setting at The Indian.

737
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,559
Speaker 1: Wells, yeah this is a shot of the right. Out

738
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,920
this is right outside of my balcony. Here i'm going

739
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,360
to post these in the in the show notes so

740
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,639
people can, see you, know what a wonderful area that.

741
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,039
Is and somewhere in HERE i have this is a

742
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:59,119
shot looking down from WHERE i. WAS i was up

743
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,800
on the seventh floor and it goes down you, know

744
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,480
to the mezzanine or whatever you want to call it.

745
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,239
There but what a beautiful. Hotel that was just. Amazing

746
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,800
it was.

747
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: Amazing. Yeah and the thing, is it's really funny Because

748
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:18,199
Judy Chatterdan Saint judy lay it. Out, yeah she laid it.

749
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,199
Out she, said here's the. Deal you're going to get

750
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,280
there and you're going to catch your. Breath the first,

751
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,280
day you're going to hang at the pool and maybe

752
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,320
have a drink with an umbrella in. It i'm not

753
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,559
saying that happened or, not but it was a good.

754
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,079
Drink and THEN i mean walked me through all the

755
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,079
way to the end and then said and Then, monday

756
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,159
on the last, day you're going to stay as. Well

757
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,079
AND i, said, well isn't that kind of when People

758
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:39,880
Peter off and, stuff and she, says, no, no, no

759
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,920
that's when it gets.

760
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,639
Speaker 3: Good and what you.

761
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: MEAN i was, gone, yeah, yeah you blew.

762
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,039
Speaker 5: It we were, there AND i was up until four.

763
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,639
AM i haven't been up until four am talking, about you,

764
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,400
know crazy stuff for. Years and so, NO i, Mean

765
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,679
i'm thinking of all the, names not the name, drop

766
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,239
but they're all. There it's it's like The Marvel universe

767
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:04,480
OF ufo.

768
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:09,639
Speaker 1: Personalities and there was someone there from one of The marvel, movies,

769
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,880
right Wasn't Isn't Tom jane my?

770
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 5: Buddy, Yes Thomas jane was. There And thomas is probably

771
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,920
one of the biggest surprises, there because you, know he's an.

772
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,119
Actor he's been in The. Expanse my favorite role of

773
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:28,079
his was In Boogie. Nights he was also In Thin Red,

774
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:32,559
line had had a scene in that Crush. IT i

775
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,880
didn't know how much he knew about the, phenomenon and

776
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,199
we talked beforehand and we'd go to. Lunch but then

777
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,719
he goes out there and by all accounts knows his

778
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,480
crap backwards and, forwards and not only, that he contributes

779
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,760
to like amazing thoughts going beyond what would be in the.

780
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,880
Material and SO i asked, HIM i, said, hey would

781
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,079
you come and moderate you, know my my Movie The

782
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,039
Only Perspective part?

783
00:42:59,079 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: Two and.

784
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 5: He came out there no prep. Whatsoever and, usually you,

785
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,599
know people ask those questions that are, inevitable that are the,

786
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,199
standards AND i can kick it out right. Away he

787
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,559
asked me like two or three questions WHERE i had

788
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,960
to pause to like, really, go, okay hold, on this

789
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,039
is next. Level let me take a. Moment, Great, YEAH

790
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,159
i Mean Paul heineck And Greg bishop AND i were

791
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,400
like in awe of his.

792
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: Question, yeah and you, KNOW i went up to. HIM

793
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,719
i had a conversation with him and asked if he

794
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,599
would be on my show and he said. Sure he

795
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,320
actually gave me his phone. Number how many actors you

796
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,719
know that had roles like him would actually do? That

797
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,840
and so he will be on the show. Eventually good. Peop, yeah,

798
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,000
YEAH i was Really AND i want to talk about

799
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,199
your movie BECAUSE i, thought you, know it was up

800
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,000
on the it was a. Screening basically you had a full. House.

801
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,079
NOW i was next To James fox when he did

802
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,519
his screening the night, before AND i get to, SAY

803
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,519
i do believe you had more people than he, did

804
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,119
and And i'm telling you what what great interaction to

805
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,119
listen to the audience and WHEN i had my little

806
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,360
two seconds of fame in your, movie some PEOPLE i

807
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,039
heard it a little bit of a cheer like some

808
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,039
people in the. Audience you, KNOW i thought that was

809
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,239
a pretty. Awesome you, KNOW i.

810
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: Don't want to get into a competition thing with a

811
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,880
find about that these are equal. Filmmakers BUT i would

812
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,079
say that was embarrassing for. HIM i would say it

813
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:27,719
was truly compared.

814
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: To what we.

815
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,679
Speaker 5: Had i'm going to have to send him this, clise

816
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:37,679
please Do, yeah, No, James, yeah he showed the. Program great,

817
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,400
documentary but that's my.

818
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: Shizzle.

819
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we had dropped part one And Mitchell, kalku,

820
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,840
oh if you think of, it can you please silence

821
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,039
your phone before you come on the.

822
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: Show, No i'm not going to do.

823
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:55,119
Speaker 3: THAT i will not be.

824
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,159
Speaker 5: Silenced i'm so, sorry But i'm going to take the.

825
00:44:58,199 --> 00:44:59,039
Garbage excuse?

826
00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:59,119
Speaker 3: Me?

827
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: No uh, Yeah mitchell calcu he was the host with,

828
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:09,760
that and then part. Two uh Doctor Diana, Pasoka, yeah the.

829
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: Host she did a nice.

830
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: Job nice, job very good.

831
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 5: Job and in addition to, that we've got we've Got

832
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:23,079
Dave foley of, course we've Got David, chalmers we Have

833
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,840
Travis taylor in, There we've Got Kevin. KANUTH i, mean,

834
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,199
tons tons of, people AND i.

835
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,559
Speaker 1: WOULDN'T i don't really want. To you, Know i'm not

836
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,440
going to do a spoiler alert or anything like, that

837
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,760
BUT i will tell you there was something that you

838
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,920
did in that movie THAT i just want to congratulate you,

839
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,760
for because you followed the science no matter where it.

840
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Went that's All i'm going to. Say And i'll leave

841
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,159
it up to the person that wants to watch your

842
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,079
the alien perspective, Too but instead of like either cutting

843
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,639
that out or trying to make it something, dramatic you

844
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,239
let the science go where it. Went AND i thought

845
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,880
that was. Fantastic thank, you thank.

846
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: You, yeah and that and. Uh and then we also

847
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:14,079
had a there's someone in THE ufo community no longer with,

848
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:20,679
us who had a heck of a story and it

849
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,239
had been out there for a, while AND i was

850
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,280
fascinated by the. STORY i went down the rabbit hole

851
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,000
with with the rest of, us and and then came

852
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:35,280
across this. Evidence oh, yes. Irrefutable, literally everyone, SAYS i

853
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,280
want to see a photograph on. This this was the

854
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,360
photograph and that was. It and AND i was a

855
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,599
little worried THAT i was going to get eviscerated for, saying,

856
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,960
hey here's a sacred. Cow you can't do, that but

857
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,199
instead you were. THERE i, mean the irons. Cheered it

858
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,119
was like, great you you, know we can take that

859
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,360
off our. Plate but sometimes it's hard because you, Know

860
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,800
i'm not a pernicious. PERSON i don't ever mean to do,

861
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,800
that BUT i want to clear the, plate including my

862
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,760
own film WHEN i want a NATIONAL tv and debunked

863
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,119
my own film BECAUSE i want people to tape yeah mc,

864
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,480
ferson tape. YEAH i want people to be able to

865
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,840
focus on what is, real you, know and what's. Relevant

866
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,559
and SO i was terrified that there was going to

867
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,960
be a lynching and it was the exact. Opposite they said, no, no,

868
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,440
no thank you for clearing that.

869
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:23,199
Speaker 3: Up and so that was, yeah that was, yeah really.

870
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: Good SO i just want to mention this because of

871
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,760
the dozens and dozens of comments THAT i had in,

872
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,519
chat and that is it's an obvious fact that, somehow

873
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:38,679
even THOUGH i did an audio test ahead Of ross With,

874
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,639
ross that the microphone. Failed AND i got back AND

875
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,760
i started listening to, it AND i couldn't even understand

876
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,320
what he was. SAYING i had a sound engineer work

877
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,519
on it for six hours and made it the best

878
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,519
it could be. Made he, said this is the very

879
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,159
best that can be. Done SO i do want to

880
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,519
apologize for for the. AUDIO i tried to do it.

881
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:04,480
RIGHT i also had a camera kind of mess. Up

882
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:06,880
it was going to be a two camera, interview and

883
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,360
that you. Have you tried to help me with. That

884
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,800
we went we got a cable At Best buy in

885
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,800
two hundred degree temperature. WEATHER i, did And i'm still.

886
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,559
Speaker 5: Bitter i'm still.

887
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: Better we're still bitter about. THAT i think it was

888
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,360
one hundred and seven or something like. That when we

889
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:20,760
took that.

890
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,679
Speaker 3: Drive it was.

891
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,559
Speaker 5: Ridiculous and then the thing that you missed was me

892
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,480
trying to find a parking spot WHEN i came back

893
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:29,039
BECAUSE i dropped you off at the front. Right it,

894
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,440
was you know, what let's not go. There we already

895
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,199
dealt with that and forgiven and back to.

896
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: Love SO i DIDN'T i got to tell, you you,

897
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,639
know AND i say this all the time When i'm

898
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,880
at these. Conferences to go to these, conferences and also

899
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,880
THE mc coming up At Pine bush on the seventh you,

900
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,719
know we're just a couple of. Days i'm leaving to

901
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,400
go up To New york and do. That i'm really

902
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,800
excited about. That so if anyone is in The New york,

903
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,639
area it's going to be a, great great conference people.

904
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,960
There it's going to Be Nick, pope there's going to

905
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,599
Be mark d', Antonio mary And Robin, dave And i'm

906
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:10,320
trying to think if there's anyone else that might be

907
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,559
it for the three speakers for that. Night DO i

908
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,400
mean four all? TOGETHER i do, Believe but, anyway it's

909
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,199
it should be a real fun time and there's a

910
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,119
festival all day, long a lot of. Fun SO i

911
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:24,760
don't know WHERE i was going with that other than

912
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,199
announcing Basically Pine.

913
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: Bush but.

914
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,159
Speaker 1: As far as these, go you, know as far as

915
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,239
do you think there was a couple of thousand people,

916
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,639
THERE i was trying to figure it.

917
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 5: Out oh there was more than. That, yeah this was

918
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,960
actually their their best. Year it, WAS i, MEAN i was.

919
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,199
Shocked i've been to other, festivals well film festivals because

920
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,199
of my my, films and it was a great, turnout

921
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:55,280
great turnout and very. Active, yes and you, Know, diane

922
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,840
Doctor Diane powell with the telepathy. Tapes she was there for.

923
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,679
Time it was the first time for a lot of.

924
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,800
Us i'd never been there. Before AS i, said, yeah

925
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,440
she was there and literally she could have gone, on

926
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,719
like they should have given her four. Hours she was

927
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,199
just amazing and all the questions AND i was there

928
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,119
And i'm writing down questions and, stuff And i'm, Going,

929
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,320
OKAY i have to have to ambush her later on

930
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,039
and coin her and Say, OKAY i need to know,

931
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,880
THIS i need to know. That but, yeah you, KNOW

932
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:24,840
i know WHAT i.

933
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,079
Speaker 1: WAS i kind of got sidetracked. There but WHAT i

934
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,920
was going to say IS i had so much fun

935
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840
connecting with, people you, know not just the lectures that

936
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,480
WAS i mean just the like minded, people interesting, people

937
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,599
and you, KNOW i had a number of people chase

938
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:42,880
me down because they listened to the, show and that

939
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,360
was so much. Fun THEN i met these people here

940
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,039
WHO i introduced you. To oh, yeah That's sam And.

941
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:52,480
Kelly And kelly does a. Podcast and it's funny WHEN

942
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,960
i first Met, sam who was Standing i'm trying to

943
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,159
remember next to, who but he said something about a.

944
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Podcast he, goes, well who doesn't do a? Podcast and

945
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,519
it's like there were so MANY i bet there was

946
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,239
one hundred or two hundred podcasters, there or maybe even

947
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,639
more than.

948
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,039
Speaker 5: THAT i don't think they let you in unless you

949
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:14,639
have a. PODCAST i think the threshold was only two,

950
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,199
subscribers so it was kind of you, know it was

951
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,679
no that was that's a really good. Point, Actually, God

952
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,159
i'm thinking of all the PEOPLE i, Met mark And.

953
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:29,360
Antonio that sounds Like mark D'Antonio. MICHAEL i don't remember

954
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,400
these guys last. Names, WELL i remember the first names

955
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Because i'm. Dyslexic everyone that came up had brilliant, ideas

956
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,320
like like they wanted to run. Up some people just

957
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,119
want to be, heard or they just want to say thank,

958
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,480
you you, know for you, know. Contributing but it was just,

959
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,320
fun you, know grabbing a bunch of people and, saying,

960
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,360
hey let's go hang. Out you, know there's an outdoor,

961
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,880
campfire you, know going.

962
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: Out oh, YEAH i WISH i could loaded. That i'll

963
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,239
see IF i. Can while we're, talking we're going to

964
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,920
see IF i can. UPLOAD i took a little shot

965
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,760
of something that's pretty.

966
00:51:59,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: Fun.

967
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,119
Speaker 5: Yeah but, yeah so that's that's you, know the main

968
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,320
reason obviously why we're doing this is to be able

969
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,239
to connect with the people out there who were all

970
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,559
on the same you know, wave you, know brain brain wave,

971
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,960
wavelength and and that was just every single. DAY i

972
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:18,719
mean it was. FUNNY i would be going to meet

973
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,360
someone and it would take probably four times as long

974
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,320
to get to that person because you would meet someone

975
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,800
and they, were.

976
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,519
Speaker 1: OH i, know that happened all the. TIME i would

977
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,119
like it was a perfect situation for a D d

978
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,440
because you have a focus and then you go on

979
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,079
whatever you're focusing, on and next thing you, know you're

980
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:41,400
talking to someone for three. Hours. Yeah, yeah and that

981
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:45,440
you didn't even know. Prior uh, YEAH i, watched, UH

982
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,079
i watched some of that going, on AND i was

983
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:49,920
definitely part of.

984
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, no absolutely. Absolutely and and just to kind of, again,

985
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,760
also when you get a bunch of people collectively, together

986
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,079
what happens is they, say, HEY i was thinking about,

987
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,400
this and your film made me think about, this and

988
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,639
that was a theory That i'd been working, on and

989
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:09,320
blah blah. Blah and so you end, up you, know

990
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,440
people are ping ponging ideas back and, forth and so

991
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:14,079
it becomes really one big think. TANK i would, say.

992
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah i'm just trying to find that and you,

993
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:23,599
know it's. FUNNY i was sitting next to this woman

994
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,199
and she, said you know that she was. There let's

995
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,400
see how many more. Minutes we have five minutes left,

996
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,519
up But i'm going to see IF i can find that.

997
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,599
Clip she was there only because she had A ufo siting.

998
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:39,960
Recently AND i mean it would have been excellent if

999
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,679
we could have listened to all the people that, had you,

1000
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,239
know that were there because of a situation like, that just,

1001
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:49,760
here you, know just to hear some new. Cases.

1002
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah it was funny Because i'm on this panel

1003
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,920
for underwater. SUBMERSIBLES i. Hope, yeah these things are on.

1004
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:02,599
YouTube i believe all the panels and stuff through contact

1005
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,159
in the. Desert i'm on a panel AND i, thought,

1006
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:07,679
Well i'm gonna Have i'm not gonna have anything to

1007
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,679
contribute this as far as my own personal or secondhand,

1008
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,679
experience you, know with regards to. This i've definitely been following,

1009
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,960
it And i've had some ideas on the physics of.

1010
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:23,559
It BUT i HAD i had just like last, week this.

1011
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,480
Guy i'm at this party and this guy, said, HEY

1012
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,920
i watch your. Movie i've got a lot of notes

1013
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,199
the first, one part, One AND i, said. GREAT i

1014
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,159
love you, Know christism and. Everything he, Says, NO i

1015
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,519
want to let you know the things that you. Got,

1016
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,400
right there's a couple of things that actually it was

1017
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,719
this instead of. That i'm, like those are actually the

1018
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,559
best notes because that helps. Me but he was telling

1019
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,800
me about his own when he was in the, military

1020
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,800
his own experience seeing something under the. Water i'll leave

1021
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,840
it at. That but it was, Amazing and you, KNOW

1022
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,280
i think there's more activity. POSSIBLY i think there's a

1023
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,599
possibility there's more activity under the water than there is

1024
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,960
above the, sky which makes more sense since we've got

1025
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:03,320
seventy percent so much.

1026
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:10,199
Speaker 1: Water, yep, yeah, yeah. Yeah and there there was a

1027
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,559
panel there ON, usos, RIGHT i, mean wasn't.

1028
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Speaker 5: There that was the One i'm talking. About are you with?

1029
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:15,159
Speaker 1: Me?

1030
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,119
Speaker 5: Martin are you with?

1031
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: ME i am with you NOW i understand what's going on.

1032
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:21,639
Here the REASON i can't load that video is because

1033
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:25,840
it's A mov file and then won't upload, unfortunately so

1034
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,480
that's a. Bummer it was, anyway it was outside around

1035
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,320
the campfire there with all the people drumming and. Dancing

1036
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,000
it was such an awesome Nice but, anyway it looks

1037
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:37,079
like we're just about ready to wrap it up, Here,

1038
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,800
dean thank you so, much and when do you have

1039
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320
any idea when that film is coming out and where

1040
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:42,840
someone can.

1041
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 5: Work So The Alien Perspective part one is available On

1042
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,440
amazon And apple And The Alien Perspective part two just

1043
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,239
drop this Past sunday exclusively On APPLE.

1044
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,199
Speaker 1: Tv APPLE. Tv. Awesome, YEAH i highly recommend.

1045
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,119
Speaker 3: It it.

1046
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: WAS i thought it was a very very well done

1047
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:06,719
and all the way down and just one last THING

1048
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,760
i do remember there was a woman that held her

1049
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,400
hand up in the audience that wanted to talk to

1050
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,440
you About you don't want me to say his, name

1051
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:16,760
the one you found the other picture. Of, yeah she

1052
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,679
was she was talking, about AND i wondered where she

1053
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,800
was going to. Go she sounded a little bit upset at,

1054
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,280
first but then she was, okay then she was.

1055
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah, well when you see part, one there was

1056
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,320
a vicious cliffhanger about. Material i'll leave it at, that

1057
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,360
and that we pay off and you finally get a

1058
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,280
chance to get that and so, yeah, yeah, yeah Now

1059
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,320
i'm glad that, that's you, know, finish AND i feel

1060
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Like i've done my my own version Of godfather one

1061
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,559
and part. Two there'll be no part three Because Godfather

1062
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:46,360
part three wasn't that.

1063
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,639
Speaker 1: Good so, yeah, HEY i actually sold the horse, head

1064
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,280
the fake horsehead at an.

1065
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 3: Auction did you?

1066
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: REALLY i really?

1067
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: Did?

1068
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 5: Yes did you sell it to A sicilian.

1069
00:56:59,159 --> 00:56:59,639
Speaker 1: Or a movie?

1070
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:01,159
Speaker 5: Star are ahead of a?

1071
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: STUDENT i can't remember who actually bought, it but, anyway

1072
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,960
it was pretty. Funny BUT i actually had all the

1073
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,719
paperwork came as a movie prop directly from the. Creator

1074
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,079
so thank you so, Much. Dean it's been a real.

1075
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,519
Pleasure all, right, Everyone so we'll see you next week

1076
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,039
and we'll Have Gary hazeltine talking about The Rindlstrom force incidents,

1077
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,920
plural lots of, Them so remember everyone to keep your

1078
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,440
eyes to the.

1079
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:23,719
Speaker 3: Sky