WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.359 Hi, this is Robert Salas. I'm a former Air Force 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:07.719 captain and I was a missile launch officer in nineteen 3 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:12.720 sixty seven and Great Falls, Montana Stacy Melstrom And when 4 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:18.199 a UFO came over my launch control facility affected my 5 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:23.480 missiles shut him down. And I can prove that I 6 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:28.679 have a book called Faded Giant. And you are listening 7 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:30.559 to the Doctor Sky Show. 8 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.200 Welcome once again, ladies and gentlemen, to the Doctor Sky Show, 9 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.840 heard exclusively here on teen Talknetwork dot com and on 10 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.280 the many radio stations around the nation that air of 11 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.359 the Doctor Sky minuette. And also a special hello and 12 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:46.799 thank you to our flagship radio station KFNX new Stalk 13 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:51.119 Radio eleven hundred, the undisputed fifty thousand watt powerhouse up 14 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.960 the desert Southwest. And ladies and gentlemen, if you're a 15 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.920 newcomer to The Doctor Sky Show, our show was always 16 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:01.320 jam packed with the best guests from the realms of astronomy, aviation, 17 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:04.840 in weather, and from time to time some very special 18 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:08.280 celebrity guests. And today, ladies and gentleman, is a true 19 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.959 privilege and honor to speak to a man who proudly 20 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.519 served his country and equally important, the co author of 21 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.560 a fascinating book entitled Faded Giant. The nineteen sixty seven 22 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.359 missile UFO Incidence something that each and every person out 23 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.959 there with an open mind certainly needs to hear. And 24 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.040 before we speak with our guests, mister Robert Salas, a 25 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.359 brief introduction is in order. Robert Sallas, a graduate of 26 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.079 the United States Air Force Academy, served on active duty 27 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:38.359 for seven years. He holds a master's degree in aerospace 28 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.040 engineering from the Air Force Institute of Technology and a 29 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:46.079 master's degree in education from the University of Washington. Sallas 30 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.359 worked briefly as an engineer from Martin Marrietta Aerospace and 31 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.879 Rockwell International, and then went on to serve twenty two 32 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.079 years in the Federal Aviation Administration until his retirement in 33 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.040 nineteen ninety five. He is currently teaching School of Mathematics, 34 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.920 and he has spoken publicly about the events described in 35 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.439 Faded Giant since nineteen ninety five. He and his co author, 36 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.919 James Klatz have written this phenomenal book, which has gone 37 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.159 across the world and even on to the stage. Ladies 38 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.919 and gentlemen. Just weeks ago on the international television stage 39 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:23.319 from CNN, Fox News, and many other journalistic experiences. And 40 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.680 with that, I'd like to welcome to the program former 41 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:29.680 United States Air Force Captain Robert Sallas. Good afternoon, and 42 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:31.159 we'll all at the Doctor Scott Show. 43 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:34.560 Thank you, Doctor Scuy. I really appreciate that introduction. It's 44 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.159 great to be on with you today. 45 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.159 Well, thank you so much, sir. You know, this subject 46 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.360 has always been fascinating to our listeners, and I myself 47 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.280 had the privilege and honor of speaking with the doctor 48 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.319 Jayalen Heinik when I interviewed him when I was in 49 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.759 college a long time ago there at Northwestern University when 50 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.599 he appeared on the radio. But just briefly, if you 51 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.800 would be kind enough, sir, just describe to us what 52 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.120 is a faded giant. I understand this is a military term. 53 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.800 Yeah, technically, I think faded giant is any incident involving 54 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:12.360 a nuclear facility that could be a power generating plant 55 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.719 or some other nuclear facility. We kind of us the 56 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.960 generic term for some sort of nuclear incident for our 57 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.919 book because it sounded well good to us. 58 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.080 Well, it sounds very good to all the listeners of 59 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.120 the Doctor Sky Show. I can assure you sir, and 60 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.680 I'm so fascinated about what you're about to tell us 61 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.479 in this approximately thirty minute interview today. According to your story, 62 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.879 which is well documented here in Faded Giant, you describe 63 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.759 a series of missile site excuse me, of UFO sightings 64 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:48.719 over missile silos, particularly to those up in the northwestern 65 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:51.919 part of the United States. But more particularly, Sir, described 66 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.120 the first experiences that were reported to you about unidentified 67 00:03:56.120 --> 00:04:00.000 flying objects hovering near or over these sensitive missile silos. 68 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.280 You know, I can tell you in my own experience 69 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:09.080 that I was on duty and underground capsule we call 70 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.400 it oscar flight. It's about one hundred miles east of 71 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.960 Great Falls, Montana, near a small town called Roy, Montana. 72 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.199 And there are two of us sit down there in 73 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.240 the capsule that are monitoring the missiles, making sure they're 74 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:27.560 on already or ghost status. And my commander was taking 75 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.040 a rest break and I get a call from the 76 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:35.079 top side guard that they were observing strange lights in 77 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.160 the sky making strange maneuvers, moving very rapidly, making odd 78 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:45.680 turns and anyway, they announced that these were not aircraft. 79 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.800 And this was you know, I took this report seriously, 80 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.319 although I couldn't quite grasp what they were trying to 81 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.800 tell me, but so I just kind of the report 82 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.920 and went back to my good book down there. And 83 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.680 five minutes later I get another call. This time they 84 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:12.839 are yelling into the phone, clearly frightened. The guys says 85 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.800 that they're looking out at the front gate and they 86 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.759 see this glowing red object. It's about thirty feet diameter, 87 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:26.720 pulsating and it's oval shaped. It's hovering just above the 88 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.759 front gate, and they wanted me to tell them what 89 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.879 to do next. I think I told him to make 90 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.639 sure that it comes in the perimeter fence. They had 91 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.240 all their weapons drawn up there, and it was a 92 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.600 tense situation. Well hung up the phone. I went to 93 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.560 tell my commander about these phone calls, and as I 94 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.120 was telling him about him, the missiles started going into 95 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:55.399 what we call a no go condition. In other words, 96 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.879 they went from an alert status to a disabled status. 97 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.319 This is an amazing story. Letters, is a littlement about 98 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.399 what you're about to hear in greater detail. But before 99 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.879 we go into the meat of the actual sightings and 100 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.360 what experiences you've had with these sightings and your crew, 101 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.800 describe to us, Sir, the entire Minuteman missile system. I 102 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.680 find this to be very fascinating, and I must say 103 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.079 this in all honesty. I watched you on many of 104 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.839 the major networks, and I say this again, this is 105 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.600 my opinion. I didn't see them go into any of 106 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.319 the detail that we're about to go into today, because 107 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.319 I think it's very important for the listeners of the 108 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.959 Doctor Sky Show, Sir, to understand that you served your country, 109 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:35.759 and I want to salute you first for your service 110 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:38.600 to our country. And equally important, I think people out 111 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.240 there may have a misconception what is the Minuteman missile 112 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.879 system and describe to us in some detail what your 113 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:44.399 role was. 114 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.759 Okay, well, the minute Man one is a three stage 115 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:58.519 solid propulsion missile course with warhead approximately you know, I'll 116 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.519 say in general the warhead was about three hundred kilotons. 117 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.480 I know they changed the warhead from time to time, 118 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.399 but just to put out in perspective, the warheaded Hiroshima 119 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:16.399 Nagasaki was fifteen to twenty kilotons. But we had I 120 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.920 think at the time in nineteen sixty seven, we have 121 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:25.040 had about one hundred and fifty actual missiles MINIMN one 122 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.639 and mod Miniman mod missile was the follow under that 123 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.160 in Montana Long and of course there were there were 124 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:42.040 missile bases in other of the Northern Tier states. Each 125 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.519 missile was independent of each other. In other words, we 126 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.240 could fire them in salvo. But in general the missiles 127 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:57.560 were you know, self contained. They had their they had 128 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.160 backup power, their own backup power systems. UH, triplely redundant power. 129 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.279 We had triplely redundant shielded cables. UH that UH sent 130 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.079 the signals to the missiles. And again these signals had 131 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.120 to go individually. Yeah. One one thing I'd like to 132 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.319 point out in particular is we we did receive a 133 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.360 document from the Air Force under the Premium Information Act. 134 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:24.759 And in that document, UH, this is a historical document, 135 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.959 it's UH unit history document. But in that document it 136 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:32.480 talks about UH in particularly the echo flight, the fact 137 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:37.440 that the UH we got two signals, UH were two 138 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.080 messages during the shutdowns. One was gotten some control system 139 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.639 failure and the other one was the logic coupler failure. 140 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:51.240 And HY they actually stated verbatim in there that A 141 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:56.240 that in U this was a highly unexplicable event because 142 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.399 each of the logic couplers would have had to failed 143 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.399 from the same cause within seconds of each other. So 144 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.360 if you can determine the probability of that, you can 145 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.799 figure out how unlikely this was. Well, let me describe 146 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.639 in a little more details of the audience here, and 147 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.279 I'm just taking this from your book. The Mini Man 148 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.440 one missile was a three stage solid propeller ICBM, about 149 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.519 fifty eight feet tall, about six feet wide in the base. 150 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.759 But what I find most fascinating is this particular system 151 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.480 as you describe here, the control systems are up and 152 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.200 running twenty four hours a day. This means what that 153 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.039 the gyroscopes were always spinning and the electronics is always 154 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:38.240 powered up. So what happened during these particular incidents is 155 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:41.960 totally amazing that the alleged object that was seen not 156 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.840 only by many of the people, of course, not by yourself, 157 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.159 because we want to make that caveat you are underground 158 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:51.080 during the whole libe. But the point I'm trying to 159 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.320 make is something came over this particular missile silo or 160 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:59.279 this particular complex, and yet to this day it's never 161 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.919 been explained what caused these missiles to go offline. Is 162 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:07.240 that the term right offline, but one emphasize that the 163 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.559 guards upstairs had absolutely no control over these missiles. There's 164 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.600 no way they could have propagated some kind of a 165 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.720 hoax and had these missiles set down at the same 166 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.960 time they announced that there was the UFO overhead. So 167 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.240 I just want to emphasize that well. 168 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.919 Also, just to remind the listeners, you're listening to an 169 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.759 exclusive interview here a special book and a special author. Today, 170 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.600 we're speaking today with former United States Air Force Captain 171 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.639 Robert Salas. He and his co author James Klotz have 172 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:40.240 written this phenomenal book called Faded Giant. It refers to 173 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.919 the nineteen sixty seven missile UFO incidents. He's joining us 174 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.559 from his home in California today on The Doctor Sky Show. 175 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.720 And Sir, I really appreciate your time because to me, 176 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.480 this has always been as this one who studied this 177 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.480 UFO phenomenon for many years looking at the Even if 178 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.200 there's two percent of the sidings that are unexplained, doesn't 179 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.919 this one continue come up in its class as being 180 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.080 still yet unexplained. 181 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.279 Absolutely, we never got an explanation. I was there for 182 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.360 another two years doing the same job. No one ever 183 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.639 explained to me why this was went down under these 184 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.519 circumstances from other witnesses, I know that as late as 185 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.000 nineteen seventy two, the Air Force was still investigating the 186 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.240 Echo flag shutdown, the OSCAR shutdown, and could not come 187 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.720 up with a fix. So yeah, we're waiting for an 188 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.440 explanation still from the Air Force. 189 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.960 Well, I gather you're not very popular. And then the 190 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.919 military circles or do they really care at this point 191 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.840 in time, because I would imagine that since they can't 192 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.000 explain it or will not explain it, just personally on 193 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.519 a one to one level. Have you experienced some criticism 194 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.679 of this as about going public about something, and I 195 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.360 salute you for going public of course. 196 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.240 Yeah. No, I have not heard word one from the military, 197 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.240 either my classmates or or the official you know military. 198 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:10.120 Either way, I think they don't want to talk about 199 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:15.759 this because we have I think outstanding back up support 200 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.440 evidence supporting this case, and I don't think they want 201 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.559 to challenge me on any of it. I mean, we've 202 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:27.039 got the two flight crews I mean missile cruise rather 203 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:33.639 and and we've got other supporting witnesses. Two of the 204 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.320 witnesses that spoke in Washington, D C. Robert Jamieson, who 205 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.159 was that brought my missiles back up on alert, also 206 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:46.679 was informed this was the UFO event. We've got Dwayne Anderson, 207 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.440 who was in the cryptographic center, who saw the message 208 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:55.080 that went out informing SAC headquarters this was a UFO event. 209 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.960 So I think we've got a solid case. 210 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.120 And I think you certainly, sir, And it's great to 211 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.480 have guests like yourself that are trying to stimulate the 212 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.799 minds of the American people and the folks of the world, 213 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.879 because according to research that I've done, this particular phenomenon 214 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.279 is not just endemic to the United States. It's also 215 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:16.120 allegedly happened to the then Soviet Union. And I think 216 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.919 the circumstances there might have been much more dangerous if 217 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.720 all of a sudden the missiles were launched out of 218 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.480 the ground by a mysterious source. So maybe they theoretically 219 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:27.519 could have lost control, But that never did happen in 220 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:28.600 the United States. 221 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:38.120 Right. One of our witnesses, Bruce Finistermacher, talked about a 222 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:41.279 very similar incident where UFOs came over his site and 223 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:49.039 started lighting up the board. In his words, so clearly, 224 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:52.279 these objects, whatever they are, and whoever they are are 225 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.399 very cognizant of how our systems work in great detail. 226 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.240 Well, this is interesting because your book describes on page 227 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.200 twenty two, and I want to encourage people to get 228 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:04.840 a copy of the book. And again if you're just 229 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.039 joining us folks on the Doctor Sky Show. A very 230 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.799 special guest as always, but today I feel very impressed 231 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.240 at this gentleman. Former United States there Force Captain Robert 232 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.159 Sollas and his co author James Klaut's writing the book 233 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.559 called Fated Giant in nineteen sixty seven missile UFO incidents. 234 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.440 He's with us exclusively here on The Doctor Sky Show 235 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.360 today to talk about a lot of different subjects. But 236 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.679 I understand that electromagnetic pulse is something that could knock 237 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:34.240 out different types of electronics. Tell our listeners a little 238 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.639 bit about what AMPER is in case they're not familiar 239 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:36.799 with this. 240 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:43.799 Well, EMP, or electromagnetic pulse can be generated from various sources. 241 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.559 That's pretty much a generic to What I can tell 242 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:51.080 you is that one of the Boeing engineers who investigated 243 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.639 the Echo incident did a bench test and injected a 244 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:02.000 EMP signal. I can't quote the numbers off hand. They 245 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:07.159 may be in the book, but he was able to 246 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.879 disable the guns and control package of the logic coupler 247 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:16.240 in this case at this particular signal, but he could 248 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.960 not certainly not explain how that signal was injected into 249 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:25.039 the system. As I mentioned, the cables that are buried 250 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:31.519 about sixty feet underground, they're triply shielded, and each missile 251 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.559 would have had to have received this signal within seconds 252 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:36.159 of each other. 253 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:41.000 Amazing, totally amazing, and to the best minds out there, 254 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.240 I mean, we could all speculate that our government with 255 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.639 black projects, may have some sort of devices that of 256 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.240 course can do these things, or maybe other governments of 257 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.679 the world. But I tended out that Robert, you know 258 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.480 you spent your time in the military. I find this 259 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.559 to be a totally amazing story that it seems very 260 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:01.159 much otherworldly, that when we see the descriptions or read 261 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.240 about the descriptions that the people on the ground saw 262 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.120 on base, it doesn't look like any conventional aircraft. Correct. 263 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:14.320 No, no, this is not a conventional aircraft, unless you know, 264 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:21.879 with aircraft that can ver silently overhead and inject some 265 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:27.440 sort of signal, specific signal sixty feet underground and penetrate 266 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.399 the cables and no, this was not a. 267 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.639 Conventional aircraft, not at all. And thus it gives us 268 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.080 this open mind here on the Doctor Sky Show that 269 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:40.120 this particular series of events, as I as I described before, 270 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.559 as a man of science myself and of course a 271 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:45.679 man who spent a lot of time of course getting 272 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.600 your advanced degrees, you understand very clearly by looking in 273 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.279 the sky that there are so many identifiable objects. And 274 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:53.759 that's what we try to do here on the Doctor 275 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.480 Sky program and in our public programs that we do 276 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.679 from the astronomy side. I'd give this challenge, this challenge 277 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.159 to people out there. I say, well, I'm open minded 278 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:05.519 about the UFO subject, but I say even more so 279 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.319 because I learned about the nighttime sky and try to 280 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.920 help people learn about what those objects are in the sky. 281 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.160 And once you know the roadmap of the sky, you 282 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.519 can discount these things. Maybe one that doesn't know about 283 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.240 venus or one doesn't know about other objects. But even 284 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:21.599 if it's the two percent like we're talking about today, 285 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:23.839 this to me seems like one of the most amazing 286 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.759 sightings in all of history. And you were there with 287 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:31.599 your people to witness this firsthand. But I'd like to 288 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.279 know a little bit more about this. If you can 289 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:35.480 tell me your incident that you're talking about. Can you 290 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.440 give us a date and year for this particular incident, 291 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:39.880 because I know there were many of these. 292 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:46.200 Yes, my incident was March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven. 293 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.599 The way I been able to nail down the date, 294 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.480 because of course I had no clear memory of the date, 295 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:57.119 was because primarily of Lieutenant I'm sorry, yeah, Lieutenant. At 296 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.240 the time Jamison, he was head of a retarding team. 297 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.039 He was called in on that day on a date 298 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.200 to go out to Oscar fly and restart the missiles. 299 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:15.359 But he also recalls the knowing about the belt siding. 300 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.799 We'll call it the belt siding. This is a well 301 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.000 documented siding where a truck driver sees the UFO kind 302 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.960 of pacing his truck as he's driving towards great Falls 303 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.240 on the evening of the twenty fourth, early evening of 304 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.839 the twenty fourth, well documented. As a matter of fact, 305 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.960 we got the complete Blue Book files on it. And 306 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.920 that's what Jamison remembers hearing about on the day he 307 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.240 went out to Oscar flying. And of course this is 308 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:53.440 all Jamison's testimony, it's his affidavit. The other incident that 309 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.160 I talked about is the Echo flight incident in March sixteenth, 310 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.640 nineteen sixty seven, so about eight days earlier, we had 311 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:05.079 the Echo shut down all ten missiles. Again UFO's overhead, 312 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:09.039 and again we've got witness testimony of the deputy Walt 313 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:14.960 Fiegel and the commander Eric Carlson. My commander was Fred Mywald, 314 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:19.839 and he's also you know, I've got audio recordings of 315 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.880 him saying that, yeah, that's how he remembers my incident. 316 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:27.920 The incident I talked about Wealth Feagel, I've also got 317 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:32.400 an audio recording of him talking about his incident with fascinating. 318 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.119 So we've got, like I said, a solid case and 319 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:43.440 other witnesses supporting it. It's a very fascinating story. And 320 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:46.200 I guess you go through your book, you describe reasons 321 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:48.640 and these are not your opinions. These are just taking 322 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:51.000 it from both sides. Give the audience a little bit 323 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.720 about good reasons why not to be open, meaning from 324 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.400 the federal government side about the revelation that UFOs exist, 325 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.519 and then take the other side about why we should 326 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.920 able to know that this particular story might very well 327 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:06.359 be a true visitation of other than you know, our 328 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.200 human kind. Just describe both of those sides for our audiences. 329 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.839 I tried to go through some points of view, you know, 330 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.519 taking it from the government point of view, that if 331 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.759 they released this information made it public, could there be 332 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.799 widespread panic for example, would the stock market be affected 333 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:29.000 for example, or how people think of religion and things 334 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:34.960 like that, And of course, you know, we don't know, 335 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:37.880 we don't know how these I it's going to play 336 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:43.559 out there. Of course, the government may have other reasons, 337 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.920 such as they can't control these things, so how do 338 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.680 they announce the public that they have no control over 339 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.720 any of this? And then of course the other thing 340 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:59.839 is they might have back engineered some of the technology, 341 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.680 and of course they want to keep that secret. So 342 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.400 maybe those are all good reasons. But bottom line is 343 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.119 the government should be the arm of the public. I mean, 344 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.720 they should be our representatives, and the public has a 345 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:20.319 need to know. In order to have good government, the 346 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:22.599 public has to be informed. I mean, that's one of 347 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.440 the foundations of our democracy. 348 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:26.240 I think now you say it so well, and I 349 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.000 quote from page twenty eight here and I quote truth 350 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.359 is stranger than fiction. But it is because fiction is 351 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:36.599 obliged to stick to possibilities where truth isn't. End of quote, 352 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.640 Mark Trump and Mark Twain, of course, among how many 353 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.599 people who, of course would agree with that, But Mark 354 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.240 Twain is the author of that. I find that statement 355 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.000 and that quote to be very much in line with 356 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.200 what we're talking about here today, what is truth and 357 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.000 what is fiction? And just give us some closing comments 358 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.839 on this, because all of a sudden, out of the blue, 359 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.480 I'm sitting at home watching CNN and flipping back to 360 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.599 Fox News and I hear about this story which I've 361 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.880 always wanted to at least talk to the person I've 362 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:06.720 been in search of you for a long time, sir, 363 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.240 And again, I'm very glad that we've been able to 364 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.960 meet here together in this interview. But describe this whole 365 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.240 process of now coming out in the open with this subject. 366 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:17.920 I mean, how long had you planned to do this 367 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.680 news conference? And tell us a little bit about the 368 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:21.880 experiences that you've had. How has this been received. 369 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.400 Yeah, I've been speaking about this my particular case for 370 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:31.039 over fifteen years. About a year ago, Robert Hastings and 371 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.640 I decided to By the way, Robert Hasings wrote the 372 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:38.839 book UFOs at nuke's which I can recommend. But about 373 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:42.440 a year ago we decided we've got so many witnesses 374 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.880 out there that can testify to the fact that we 375 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.759 have had these objects overfly nuclear facilities and in my 376 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.720 case of course, shut down our missiles. It was clearly 377 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:57.920 a national security event. But the Air Force hidden behind 378 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:01.839 this policy they've had since nineteen sixty nine that any 379 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:07.240 UFO incident they ever investigated or heard about did not 380 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.960 affect national security, which is completely false and misleading. And 381 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.759 so that's the confrontation we have right now. That was 382 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.759 the purpose really of the press conference, to have a 383 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:26.440 direct confrontation with the Air Force about that statement, because 384 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.960 we've got seven witnesses that say, no, that's not right. 385 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:36.039 In fact, we have had UFO experiences at our nuclear 386 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:41.039 weapons bases, and we would like answers. We would like 387 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.680 the government to fess up and admit that this is 388 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.519 a real phenomenon. We don't know exactly what it is, 389 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.440 but it is a real phenomenon, and we'd like them 390 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:54.480 to come clean about it. 391 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.640 I all heartily agree, sir, And one of the things 392 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.279 also in your book, I have to remiss if I 393 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.799 didn't go over it is also and as I describe it, 394 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.359 above ground missile and UFO contact the big sur off 395 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.200 Vandenburg Air Force Base incident described to us about this 396 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.480 whole story because this is what one of the first 397 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:17.519 times that an alleged UFO intercepts a dummy warhead and 398 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:17.880 does what. 399 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:27.279 Well, the incident you're talking about happened during a flight, 400 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:32.480 a test flight out of Vandenburg Air Force Base. The 401 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:40.680