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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's

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your source of information and analysis to help you win

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Here's your host, Jesse sovi Here and Victor Nuno meant.

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Speaker 2: To sy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno,

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you know both of us.

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Speaker 3: We like to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Victor, I am somewhere in a French speaking country. I've been.

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I've been doomed to go to speak French to people

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as penitents for all the names I've mispronounced in the

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history of the show. So you know, anybody who's who's

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enjoying that, I'm on it right now. But yeah, Victor,

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I don't know, man. You you're a bit ahead of

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me in French. You speak a lot of French.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to work on it right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do my duelingua every day. I recently got

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a French tutorrying. I'm trying. My mom and step dad

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have a place in southwestern France that we get to

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go to every once in a while, so I try.

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But I didn't realize this was a punishment. This sounds

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like an awesome punishment. If I could get an all

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expense paid trip to France just based on mispronouncing names,

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I would one thousand percent do that. So if that's

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a vogue.

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Speaker 2: Nobody pay that. I could take expense, Victor. I'm paying

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the expense. That's that's the other part of it.

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Speaker 3: But well, if you're paying the expense, I will.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to mispronounce a few more names, Victor.

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That's that's the problem here. You need to get with

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the program. No, yeah, man, if anybody out there wants

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to be dual lingo friends, I don't have too many

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my you know, I've I've got a hundred consecutive days.

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Victor's got like Victor's got like thirty four consecutive years

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of dual lingo. He hasn't missed a day as far

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as I can tell. I look, I look at him

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on there, and I'm like, what the heck is this guy?

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But yeah, man, we're we're learning languages. We're trying to

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get a little bit smarter, a little bit better every day, Victor,

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I think it's time for us though, I'm I'm actually

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to bow outs. As Victor said, I am viva in

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La France right now, and I'm going to peace out.

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For the rest of this episode. It's going to be

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Victor and the Tidy Takes crew getting you through a

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little bit of discussion of the Tidy Takes. So Victor,

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right after this, the voice will.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fantasy Hockey Life. I'm Victor Mania, Fantasy

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Hockey Doctor with me is not Jesse Severe this time

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we have our Tidy Admiral. I'm very excited to have

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you back, Ryan, And I was just thinking, Wow, hallelujah,

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the Tidy Admiral is back. Hallelujah. Are you familiar at all,

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Ryan with Handel Messiah Handl Frederick Handel's Messiah. Are you

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familiar at all with that piece of music?

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Speaker 4: Hanlujah, ha, then Lujah, hallelujah, Halley helluja. I could keep going,

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but I'm gonna have to sing in a couple more

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times this holiday season, so I think I'll leave it

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there for you, Victor. But yes, I am a fan

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of and familiar with gay Org Friedrich Handel's Messiah.

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Speaker 3: Just probably saying it once or twice in your life.

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It's great that you had that right off the top

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of your head to jump in once.

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Speaker 4: Or twice this season, Victor. Yeah, it's tiss the Christmas season.

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While I'm batting away these podcasts, I'm also coming from

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caroling gigs, going to caroling gigs, heading to Messiah performances,

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symphony gigs. It's just a great time a year to

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be a singer, and it's one of the best times

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of year to be into Fantasy Hockey because, of course

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we do have the World Juniors coming up. More on

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that later. But to all that being said, it's great

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to be back in the hosting chair with you, Victor.

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Fantasy Hockey Life Discord members and Tidy managers might recall

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that I made an impassioned plea on the discord for

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people to start trading in the tidy to give me

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more things to talk about and get me back on

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the airwaves here. So first I have to say I

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would not be here with the great tidy managers who

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certainly delivered in these past months for this episode today.

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And we're gonna start talking today about perhaps one of

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the greatest tidy managers we've ever seen. And no I'm

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not talking about you, Victor, I'm talking about somebody who

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was the tidy yoger champion in twenty twenty four, the

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dual Omni fast Track and Tidy Gretzky Champion in twenty

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twenty five. And that is our friend Mystics, also known

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as Donna. And those of you who listen regularly know

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that Mystics is no stranger to the Tidy Take segment

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and is likely the manager who has contributed the most

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to this segment with the sheer volume of trades she

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has completed in her years here, perhaps second only to

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her son, the NHL Rank King, also trade King Mason

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and Victor. You felt the other side of this trading

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gumption this week. You went up against Mystics, and unfortunately

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you went down in flames. She has wound her way

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into the hallowed halls of the Tidy Top Division, Lord Stanley,

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where she is finally taking her place as one of

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the best fantasy managers in the entirety of the Fantasy

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Hockey Life Tier dynasty. And unfortunately she's had a bit

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of bad luck with injuries and found herself at the

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time of this trade in first place. And we're going

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to talk about this trade now, and the Victor, we

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all know the other manager on the other side of

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this deal who is responsible for the other side of

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the trade, and what do you have to say about

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everything you've seen from mystics so far in the tidy

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top division.

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Speaker 3: So far, Donna is a super smart, super shrewd. I

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think she's always looking for the angles and aware. I

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think is really key, aware of where she is and

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where the other teams are. I think that's really important

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when you're trying to figure out trades and trying to

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figure out what you can do. And yeah, I really

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thought that was smart that she's looking around and trying

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to figure out where she needs to be and what

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she needs to do and everything. And yeah, we are

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in the same division now at You and Ed and

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me and her are all in Lord Stanley. And as

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we've talked about before, there's a there's some really high

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end teams at the top of You and Ryan are

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near the top up and Donna and I near the

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bottom as we try to avoid relegation. And so I

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think it was really smart for her to reach out

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to you and see if you could figure out a

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win win a way that the a trade would help

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benefit both parties. And I think it makes sense for

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you to try to push over the top maybe in

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the coming years to refuel your team with some younger

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talent that'll be more relevant in the coming years. And

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for Donna, she's trying to stay in this division, which

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is not an easy task. So I think with all that,

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it made sense that you would be good trade partners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll get more into some of those factors

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a little later on. But you do know that I

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know an opportunity when I see one, and like you mentioned,

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we're going for a win win deal here. I knew

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you'd be proud of this deal just looking at it

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on the face of things, maybe not the fact that

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it was one of the reasons why you lost last week.

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So I'll ask you to put the personal animus aside

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here and just let me know what you think of

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this deal, which Edward, Donna, and I came up with.

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We were looking for an opportunity to help each other improve,

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and here's what we came up with. So we were

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drafters of Sidney Crosby when we started the Top Division

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many years ago, and so we sent away Sidney Crosby

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as well as prospect center William Zeller's in exchange for

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the number one two, number two overall pick of last

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last year's twenty twenty five NHL draft, Michael Mesa, a

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very good young player, Gavin Bridley for the Colorado Avalanche,

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and a young defenseman for the Vancouver Canucks who's currently

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making some waves, Tom will Lander. And I'll just let

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everybody know that at the time of this deal, the

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trade voting that we institute on the discord has the

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BFFs that's myself and Ed at a fifty five percent

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approval rating on this deal, with mystics at nineteen percent

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and an even deal at twenty six percent, which I

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like to see that for sure. So just again to recap,

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it's Crosby and Zeller's for Mesa, Brindley and will Lander.

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And you mentioned it a little bit off the top here, Victor.

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One of the things that you add absolutely have to

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know in a dynasty league is what your competitive window is,

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but also what your rivals competitive windows are. And as

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you mentioned, there's some really high end teams at the

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top of the top division here. Last year, Mason the

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Rankking beat Jack z for the championship with our team,

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the BFF finishing in third. The year before that, Jack

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beat Mason for the championship. Those two teams are powerhouses

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and they aren't slowing down anytime soon, with them being

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first and fourth. I think at the time of this trade.

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We also happened to be facing Mason that week the

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meat that we made the deal, and all credit to

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Mason's team, who had a bit of a hot week,

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but we got absolutely shill ACKed with the BFFs finishing

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in the bottom half of the points four standings that week.

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Like I mentioned, we had drafted Crosby with the express

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knowledge that we had a window of about three to

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four years and realized we would need to trade him eventually.

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Had another great start to the season this year, but

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with players like Malkin and Letang soon to be on

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the way out and the youth movement in full swing,

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we didn't want to wait too much longer. He was

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fifty sixth in fantasy points of the tidy at the

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time of this trade. If we wanted top value for him,

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we had to move soon. We also had a surplus

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of centers on our roster to move into that Crosby slot.

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We're getting Brindley and Lisa in the deal, but of

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course we also had Rock Nelson, Nick Paul, Marco Casper,

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who were sitting on our bench more often than not,

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and so that was a part of it as well.

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Realizing that Tomistics was a little bit further down the

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standings that wasn't going to get out of it with

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players like Mesa and Brindley not playing, and at the

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time of this recording, Brindley might be making his return

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to the lineup shortly, but Lisa looks destined for the

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World Juniors. I don't think he'll do much more at

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the NHL level this season. To look at Mystic's side

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of things, she had this to say when we were

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talking about it, that using solid prospects and younger players

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to attain older but still productive made roster players was

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something she felt she needed to do to boost her team.

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She knew she'd have to overpay somewhat, but in a

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league with relegation and being one of the three teams

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to move up to the top division, she knew the

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challenge would be large, especially that the three new teams

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like hers, had to comprise their rosters from the relegated teams.

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There is no such thing as a rebuild in her situation,

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so acquiring a thirty eight year old star still in

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Sydney Crosby for three young players was something that she

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needed to do to boost her ability to get points

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this season, a tightrope walk between having a strong active

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roster versus retaining a strong prospect pool, and that as

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a lower ranked team, she was in the position that

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she needed to use her good young players to strengthen

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the main roster, and that it is nice to be

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able to find a trade partner where the needs of

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each team can be satisfied. With all that in mind, Victor,

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what do you think of our rationale here and do

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you think we got enough for Crosby under the circumstances.

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And then let's take a look at it from mystics

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perspective as well.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a classic win win, especially considering

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the constraints of the tidy roster. It is not a

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league that has a skater or util spot, and so

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that makes it much more difficult. As you mentioned, if

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you have extra centers or extra wingers or whatever extra posis,

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you might have a hard time fitting them in. You

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only have three of each of the forward spots, and

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then you have six d with no skater spot, and

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so you can sometimes have too much or too little

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of one and that is a real factor because then

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you are leaving points on the bench and that doesn't

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help you. So it depends on how you construct your team.

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Me personally, I find centers are easier to find, and

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so generally I have not enough centers because I usually

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wait for the end or I try to look at

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players who have dual eligibility, like I have Stoushla Ryan

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of the only center only eligible guys. But yeah, I

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think that this is a win win. Donna gets the

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player who helps the most right now, and the BFSS

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get the players who should be great in two to

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three years. I think it's completely possible that we also

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see a Sidney Crosby who's in his forties, forty five

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even and still Fantasy relevant. I think he's the kind

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of guy who could do that. I don't think that's likely,

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but I think that it's possible that years into this

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trade he is still producing, and so that could create

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a bit of a wrinkle in this trade.

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Speaker 4: Right, let's talk about that victor. Because Sidney Crosby, we

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have to give him as flowers. He is going to

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go down as one of the absolute best players in

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the NHL, one of the best fantasy hockey players too.

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You're still drafting him in the second round in your

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redraft league. This guy, he won't go away, and I

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completely agree with you that he could still be fantasy relevant.

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I think one of the things that Edward and I

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were thinking was, could Michael Mesa be similar or equal

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to Crosby in two years? Do you think that Mesa

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could approach a level of Crosby esque production reasonably soon?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I think all those things are reasonable. I

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think it's very possible that he gets there. I think

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he's going to follow the sort of lyric Calson plan

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trajectory of it might take him a bit of time.

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That the team doesn't need him to be all that

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right now, so they're going to give him time. He

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has other players around him to insulate him. Macln Celebrini

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has just completely offset the entire pressure of anything Michael

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Lisa could have felt. So it's just perfect. And then

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Will Smith coming along, Eckland, all these pieces are just

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making it so much easier for him to get to

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that point. And I think when he does unlock that

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he certainly has point per game plus upside and in

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many ways, I think Celebrini is more akin to Crosby

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in terms of the type of player and the upside,

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but I think Misa is probably not too dissimilar. He's

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a good two hundred foot player. He also has tons

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of skill and upside, so I think it could be reasonable.

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he'll be equal to Crosby in two years. I'd probably

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take the under on that, just because I think it

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might take a little bit longer. But I think you're

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in that ballpark, and so I would not be surprised

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if that. I would not be surprised if Lisa comes

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close to Crosby two years, and I wouldn't be surprised

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if Crosby continues to be productive after two three years

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from now.

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Speaker 4: So maybe the worst case scenarios we end up with

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the Jonathan Taves instead of a Sydney Crosby, but still

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very happy to have that kind of player, especially as

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a miners swing option. That was an additional benefit for

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us is that we have we had optimized our team

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to compete in the last two years, so a lot

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of our minor swing guys had graduated either to our

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roster or to free agency, and so an additional benefit

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for us getting some production from Mysa and Brindley while

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they are still under that one hundred games played limit.

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That will be very helpful for us next season, especially

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if Mysa goes back to junior instead of sticking with

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the San Jose Sharks moving forward. And another young player

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that we got in this deal we haven't talked about

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much yet either is Tom Volander. And we had traded

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away literally every single defenseman under twenty four on our

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roster in deals to go for it over the past

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several seasons. Cagnoni was one I think we traded to you, Victor.

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We had traded Axel sandin Pelica. Eric Branstrom didn't work out,

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So getting Willander back was a big part of this

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deal for us, and so adding some minor swing options.

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Getting a young defenseman like Tom will Lander, a guy

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who can grow with our roster and grow with that

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young core that is now Misa, Brindley and guys like them.

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I think we're pretty happy with that, getting ahead of

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next year and getting some early roster flexibility going into

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the twenty six twenty seventh season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's really smart. To do and Vlander,

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I think he's always going to be a guy who's

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better in real life than in fantasy. But in leagues

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like the Tidy that reward being an actual good defenseman

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in terms of being able to drive play potentially getting

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some takeaways you don't necessarily have to bash. If you

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have good course and play driving, then you can still

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be valuable, and I think he will. I think he

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will continue to be valuable in that sense. Right now,

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he's already gotten some NHL games under his belt, and

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he's cooking at just a little bit under replacement value,

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which is not bad for your first twenty NHL game.

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So you like to see that he's a really decent return,

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and most setups that don't reward those kinds of things,

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he probably is going to be well below replacement level.

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It might not be that interesting. And the other minor

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parts of the deal, I'm not really sure that Gavin

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Brinley or Will Zeller's will be relevant. But it's always

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nice to take a swing and get something back. This

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is something I often tell people that anytime you're and

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we'll see some of these later, anytime you're getting a

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big piece like Zeller's or sorry, Like Crosby, you always

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want to get something else back. Sometimes people will trade

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three for one or two for four, and it's just

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get something else back. That other team probably has to

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drop a player anyway, so might as well get a

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Zeller's back mine as well, get or whatever. You don't

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want to leave some opportunity on the table like that.

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So just and sometimes in many cases, I don't know

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about you, Ryan, but I've had this where I've asked

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for something else back and the person is I'm going

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to drop this guy anyways, and he ends up becoming

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one of the better parts of the deal. Just get

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something else back always.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. And we have to give mystics her

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flowers here because that's that's the veteran savvy coming through

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for her, because she said, I have to get something back.

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I don't really care what it is, but give me

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something back. And so we settled on will Zeller's who

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he'll probably play on the World Junior team this year.

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He'll probably be a third or fourth liner for that team.

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So I guess we'll have to see. Maybe we will

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be regretting it when we see will Zeller's put up

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like a hat trick and a decided game. Who knows,

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But anyways, I'm sure the audience is tired of hearing

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about my trade now. This is one of those win wins.

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I'm very happy that we were able to do this

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with Mystics. We also did another one we're not going

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to really talk much about, but we ended up selling

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Bbrovski and we got some very good pieces back, Thomas

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Harley being one of them, and maybe that'll come up

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in a future edition of Tidy Takes. But Domistics certainly

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did a lot of work to remake her roster, and

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I'm pretty sure she hasn't lost since these deals, which

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I think you know about intimately, Victor and he's shaking

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his head. I don't know if he'll say anything about that.

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So we'll move forward here with another trade from the

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Tidy Lord Stanley Division. From two teams that are sniffing

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around the top half of the league. We have Pittsburgh

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Mutant Turtles acquiring center Luca del Bell Blues for the

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Columbus Blue Jackets, center prospect Danny Nelson and goaltender Linis

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Allmark from the London Spider Knights for Caleb Danye, Nate

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Danielson and Joshua Ravensbergen. A very interesting deal here with

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a lot of great young pieces, which is why we

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chose to bring it here. But another version of a

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veteran selloff with linis Almark heading to the Pittsburgh team.

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Mike from the London Spider Knights had this to say

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that Caleby and Joshua Ravensburger were two of his favorite

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players in the past draft, that his team got off

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to an unexpectedly hot start this year and he got

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to the point where he felt comfortable moving one of

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the oldest players on his roster in all Mark for

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a big infusion of youth into his miners. The deal

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came together quickly and that he thinks that both teams

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got what they were looking for. Josh from Pittsburgh had

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this to say that he'd had it on the block

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for quite some time, that he was in the market

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for a goalie like Almark, that he wasn't actively pursuing anything,

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but when the offer came through, he felt he had

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to jump on it. Ark may have some injury concerns,

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but when he's healthy, he's usually money, and that Ravensbergen

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was always a guy I had planned on using as

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a trade chip, so moving him didn't bother me as much.

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It hurt to give up on Caleb Danoia, but that's

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the cost of getting what you need. And Dell Bell

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Blues is on the cusp of being an active contributor

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in Columbus and so that softened the Danuya blow. He

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views Danny Nelson and Nate Danielson as a wash as

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if he feels they're incredibly similar players, with Danielson obviously

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being closer to contributing for the Wings, and I agree

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with him. At the end of the day, he thinks

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both teams got what they were looking for, so this

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is a deal. They both feel like they got what

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they were looking for, and they both praised the other

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side for giving them what they were looking for. Tons

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of young pieces moving in both directions. Where do you

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want to start.

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Speaker 1: With this one, Victor?

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great insight and great explanation, and

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I do think I leaned towards a win win. I

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think the process and I think it's always useful too.

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When you have three pieces like this moving back and forth,

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you can more evenly equate the balance between the two

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and one piece. Ollmark is clearly the best NHLer right now,

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the only NHL are really and the others you can

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see if they might be roughly equivalent, and I think

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it's just easier to make those equivalencies when you have

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even pieces like that. I think it's also important to

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reiterate that goalies are incredibly hard to come by in

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this league, and especially valuable since they don't count towards

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the game's played limit, and especially goalies like this who

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get volume and are on a pretty good team. Senators

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are at least a pretty decent team that you expect

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to get a reasonable number of wins, so that's always nice.

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I think the fact that he had the assets to

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get Omark is great. Despite having a great name, I

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don't really think that much of Dell Bell Blues. I'm

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not sure that he's ever going to be a significant

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fantasy contributor for fantasy purposes, and I think Danny Nelson

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is probably a better in real life guy, and I

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agree that I think Nelson and Ay Danielson are probably

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going to be similar. I think Danielsen has the possibility

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for a little bit more upside. I've long been pretty

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skeptical of him, but I think He's just kind of

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a middle six guy. I'm not sure that he has

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enough skill to be more than that. But between the two,

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I think there's a little bit more upside for Danielson

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for sure. I think Ravensbergen has a ton of upside,

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but I think the weight is going to be long.

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He's someone who wasn't even really playing competitive high level

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hockey until a few years ago, and so he's got

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a ways to go. But the nice thing is the

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Sharks don't have to rush him either. They have some

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pretty a pretty good young star goalie in the league

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right now, and they have some other options that can

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help delay that possibility or that need for him. So

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I think the weight is going to be super long

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with him, and I think it's possible that we see

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Lalan and Spider Knights face relegation before Josh Ravensburgen ever

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plays a game in the NHL for his team, so

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that might be difficult to stomach, but if he can

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keep it off long enough, then I think it'll be okay.

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To me, this really comes down to Omark versus Day

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on a and because of positional scarcity, I'd probably have

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to lean Ollmark, but I do think some people are

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underrating day Oona. I know that he's had a bit

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of a rough time. He had surgery on his wrist,

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and I think that makes it really hard to puck handle,

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to shoot to all the things that you need to do.

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So I think some people are being a little harsh

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on diy Oona, and I still think he has pretty

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significant upside. Ryan, I know that you might you might

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disagree a little bit on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I have never been super impressed by

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what I've seen from Danoya. Certainly is one of those

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great play driving centers, but I don't think that the

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offensive upside is going to necessarily be there. And he's

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a part of that twenty twenty five NHL draft, which

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I think we all have come to recognize was more

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of a who can get the best third line center

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draft than anything else. And so when I look at

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a list of players that includes Danny Nelson, Nate Danielson,

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Luca del Bell, Blues, and Caleb Daneoya, I think Danya

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belongs more in that group of players than say with

476
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,400
a group like Michael Misa or Jcobrien. Some of these

477
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,079
guys who are going to have a lot more offensive

478
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,319
bona fides in the NHL. I'm gonna put you on

479
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,799
the spot a little bit here. What differentiates Caleb Danuy

480
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,920
from some of these other guys who you think of

481
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,559
the guys like in Detroit, like Michael Bransig, new Guard

482
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,039
Marco Kasper. I see Danuy is more like a plus

483
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,200
up version of those guys.

484
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think it depends on

485
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,519
how big you think that plus is. I think that

486
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,039
plus is bigger than you do and so that, But

487
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,279
it's not like massive. I think that he is really competitive,

488
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,440
he's hard to play against. I think his bash is

489
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,880
really good, So that's nice. But you could say the

490
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,839
similar thing for those other guys. I think the difference

491
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,480
is that daone has more skill that should afford him

492
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,960
top six opportunities. Now, whether he gets there and whether

493
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:50,119
he actually fleshes all that out and becomes what he

494
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,680
could be, I think is a totally different question. And

495
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,759
I personally think that he should be in line to

496
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,480
be that second line center for the Mammoth on the road.

497
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,480
I think that depending on how things work out. That's

498
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,680
how when I did my three year lineup projection for

499
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,920
the Mammoth, I think Cooley is the one seed. I

500
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,279
think they have elite wingers there with Keller and Gunther

501
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,440
and then probably Peterka and again La flanking Dayona. I

502
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,079
think that's where it should be. If he can get

503
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,880
to that level, they might force him to be a

504
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,799
second line center, even if he really isn't that and

505
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,480
so that's possible as well. But I think he just

506
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:28,000
has more skill than those other guys, more individual skill,

507
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,440
more reeds and ability to play with those top end players.

508
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:35,440
Does Dione than Nelson and Nate Danielson. So that's where

509
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,559
I think there's a bit of a difference.

510
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 4: I definitely agree with you on the Utah side of things.

511
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:43,519
I think probably the big Barrett Hayten experiment will eventually

512
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,319
be over in Utah and he will move down the

513
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,279
lineup or even off of the team. He hasn't really

514
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,519
delivered for them from that kind of middle sixth center spot,

515
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,400
and it's looking pretty scarce for them beyond that, and

516
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,160
so I could definitely see Danuya stepping right into that role.

517
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,240
I could see him being better than Barrett Hayten right

518
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,279
now at the very least. I think we'll have to

519
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,960
wait and see. Regardless of our various opinions on de Noie,

520
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,160
there is still no doubt to me here the Pittsburgh

521
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,079
sent the higher quality centers over to London. This is

522
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,119
the price though, of doing business when acquiring goalies, especially

523
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,000
in this league format where the goalie starts don't count

524
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,839
against your weekly game games played limit, and so they

525
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,599
end up being a lot more valuable. Ultimately, if this

526
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,400
is a world where all of these centers are the

527
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,240
same ASH players with similar long term upsides, and you

528
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,480
pay to upgrade Ravensberger to a current established NHL starter,

529
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,880
that makes sense to me. It's a win win, and

530
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,519
I'm glad that our tidy managers also see it that way.

531
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,400
With the voting being pretty much even all the way through.

532
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,839
This next trade, however, was judged to be a little

533
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000
more one sided by our listeners. We did have the

534
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,759
Caprice Sons sending away Gabriel Landeskog to our friend Fred

535
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,880
one if Byram two if Byfield for center Anton Froundel

536
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,400
who was drafted in last year's draft, goaltender Michael Hrabel,

537
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,440
and right winger Yegorten, who I know you guys talked

538
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,400
about him on the most a recent episode. I think

539
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,119
of fantasy hockey life. I make interested to hear about

540
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,519
what you think of this deal in that context. Here,

541
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,279
we actually didn't have the opportunity to speak to the

542
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,799
manager of the Caprices as that person has been cycled

543
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,759
out and replace with a new manager due to some

544
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,039
life factors. And so we did ask Fred what he

545
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
thought about the deal. That he took a big shot

546
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,079
in acquiring Landeskog, figured it would take some time before

547
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,720
he hits his stride, and when I asked him about it,

548
00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,279
this was when Gabriel Lanskog really started to pop off

549
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:35,000
a couple weeks ago, over eighteen minutes of ice time

550
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,119
in his last two games at that time, and that

551
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,119
although Fred recognizes that the cost was very high, that

552
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,960
he really wanted him. And yeah, as I said, this

553
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,400
message was written to me on November twenty fourth, two

554
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,799
games after Landeskog moved up to power Play one and

555
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,759
bounced Victor Olafson off the top unit. Full disclosure here,

556
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,799
Victor Gabe Landeskog is one of my absolute favorite NHL

557
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,720
players ever. I've followed him since he was a kitchener ranger.

558
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,920
I've never had the option opportunity to roster him in fantasy,

559
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,680
So there's a part of me that's a little jealous.

560
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,039
Here Fred admits to paying a premium here, do you

561
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,559
think he gave up too much?

562
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,599
Speaker 3: In a word, probably yes, but if you win, the

563
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240
price is never too high. I'm just not sure why

564
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,279
Fred made this deal though, because he's now eleventh at

565
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,359
three and six, and so I think it might be

566
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,759
a little hard to stomach. He's I guess, maybe thinking

567
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,759
he's trying to avoid relegation and that Leneskog will be

568
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,039
good for another year or two, because this kind of

569
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,160
looks like the play you make when you're trying to

570
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,759
push your chips in and win the division, which is

571
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,319
not the case. Leniscog does look a bit rejuvenated, and

572
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,160
we've seen some really high end flashes from him, but

573
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,440
that's really haven't caught up to where he was four

574
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,039
years ago. He's well below replacement level right now at

575
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,079
thirty three. I'm not sure that I would have paid

576
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,759
this much unless I was knocking on the door of

577
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,920
the championship. I think there's still room for him to

578
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,039
grow and become more valuable. I don't know that this

579
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,160
was the best calculated risk, the not one that I

580
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,359
would make. Especially considering the cost. Frondell is looking every

581
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,319
bit like a future top liner at top six at worst,

582
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,799
and I think he'll be ready for NHL action soon.

583
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,119
He was in the Hockey Helt Spanskin in his draft

584
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,640
season last year, and this season he's in the SHL

585
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,759
and he's looking great. I think he might even be

586
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,920
ready for a NHL action next season. Maybe he gets

587
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,759
some AHL conditioning, but at worst it's a couple of years.

588
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,119
So the weight on front Dell is not long. And

589
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,960
even though he's about having a bit of a down

590
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,279
season at U Mass, Michael Crabbel is one of the

591
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,799
best NCAA goalies and I think he has starter upside

592
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,279
for the Mammoth. But that weight is probably a couple

593
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:41,559
of years, two to three years from now, So I

594
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,119
get that. And Sarin, Yeah, I really like him. I

595
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,079
think that he is really fun and I feel we

596
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,000
talked about him recently. I feel like he should have

597
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,480
been enough to make this trade. Quite frankly, like you

598
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,200
have an older, aging asset who hasn't quite hit his

599
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,680
stride yet and you have a young up and comer

600
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,279
who could be somewhat equivalent to that. I don't know

601
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,359
it seems like that should have been enough, and giving

602
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,599
everything that he gave there just seems way excessive. Frondell

603
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,079
for Atlantis squad seems like way too much in and

604
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,640
of itself. And then you act rabble answer and just

605
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,880
it's too much for me.

606
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more with you, Victor. You took

607
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,799
a lot of what I was gonna say out of

608
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:24,039
my mouth there. The first thing I wanted to highlight

609
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,799
is that I think Anton Frondell should not be involved

610
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,200
in this deal. He could very well be the twenty

611
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:33,240
twenty five version of Gabe Landscog. He and Victor Ecklund

612
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000
dragged that Jury Gardens team all the way up from

613
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
the Alspenskin to the SHL, and they're still looking incredible

614
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,400
as part of that league, facing the higher level of

615
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,039
competition and rising to the challenge. Anton Frondel right now

616
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:50,000
ten goals and five assists, fifteen points for twenty five games,

617
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:53,000
and he's eighteen years old playing against Ben. He's on

618
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,160
a similar kind of trajectory to another twenty twenty six

619
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,240
draft eligible that we were talking about off the podcast before,

620
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,400
Victor talk about Evar Stenberg. Those are high end, elite

621
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,119
players and Frondel is certainly one of those guys who

622
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,119
could end up near the top of a roster in

623
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,720
the NHL for the next fifteen years, So I think

624
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,039
it's a bit weird that he is involved here. Like

625
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680
you said, hera ball is certainly coin flip, but it's

626
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,359
not like there's much competition in that system. They still,

627
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,559
I think, only have one NHL goaltender in the whole

628
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,519
kitten kaboodle of their goaltending system there, So he should

629
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,720
be in the league in a couple of years. And

630
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240
like you said, Diegor surin, what's not to like? He

631
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,960
should be making a Will Cooley style impact in Nashville

632
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:36,039
sooner rather than later. I will never fault someone forgetting

633
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,279
their guy though, and maybe land Is called will rediscover

634
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,039
some of his previous form as the season progresses and

635
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:43,039
he gets into the grind. But I still think it's

636
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,079
a lot to give up. But good on your Fred,

637
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,160
you know what you want, and I hope this deal

638
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:50,519
works out for you. Time for us to take a break.

639
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
We'll be back right after this and you're listening to

640
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Tidy Takes. All I do is will we no matter

641
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,480
what my name Odam, and we're continuing down the veterans

642
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,119
selloff path. Here Victor with a deal from the Tidy

643
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,880
Yogurt Division suitor McGavin aka Rob, the architect of the

644
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,200
Dynasty IQ project, and if you're interested in more about that,

645
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:15,799
you can ask him about it. That you know who

646
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,559
I am on discord for more information. He has acquired

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,920
one of his guys, so similar to how Fred got

648
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,680
Gabe Landeskog, we have a deal here where Rob acquires

649
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:30,000
Dylan Larkin in exchange for left winger Daniel boot Or

650
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,319
as he is known to his Utah Mammoth teammates Cheeks,

651
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,119
versatile forward Ryan Nugent Hopkins for the Vonton Oilers and

652
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,319
center prospect for the Seattle Krack and Berkeley Catton. Our

653
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,079
Tidy managers have judged this in the favor of the

654
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Boot Nugent Hopkins cat inside, with the Jamie Bens coming

655
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,319
out with fifty percent on this deal, with Rob getting

656
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,200
sixteen percent and it being a thirty three percent even

657
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,720
split as well, just from the JB. Jamie Ben's side

658
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,039
of this trade that he feels he received great value

659
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240
and feels good about the trade, even if Dugen Hopkins.

660
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,799
At the time of this recording was hurt. Usually he

661
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,039
is on the power play with McDavid and Drysdle, so

662
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,559
he is a valuable asset in Catton and Boot, he

663
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,680
got younger, and that he's going to be much better

664
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,119
in two years, and that those two guys fit more

665
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480
with his window with other players like Demodov, Slavkovsky, Misa,

666
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:23,680
Haggens and Fowler on his team. Rob had this to

667
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,599
say that the deal came together because he desperately wanted

668
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,880
to not finish in the bottom four this year and

669
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,759
is trying to make the playoffs, if that's not too greedy.

670
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200
That he had a ton of decent prospects from his

671
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,440
cell job late last season, and he's putting it out

672
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,279
there that he still does actually if there's any Yogur

673
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,839
managers who are looking to buy, and that he wanted

674
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,839
to leverage some name recognition with Boot and Catton as

675
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
toppers to an upgrade from Ryan Nugent Hopkins, and that

676
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,680
Larkin fits that bill perfectly. He had peg Detroit as

677
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200
an improved team candidate, which I think is very fair

678
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,160
and just figured anyone on that Detroit power play one

679
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,519
was going to get points. Larkin's play at the Four

680
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:01,960
Nations put a bug in his brain since late February,

681
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200
and he's still only twenty nine, and so he sent

682
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,119
the offer and it was accepted. He's thrilled with the trade.

683
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,000
He knows that he probably even lost the deal. They

684
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,039
gave up a ton, but he can't get Larkin in

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,880
other leagues, and that he's hoping before Catten and Boot

686
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,559
bite him in the boot that he'll be in another

687
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,920
tier that he'd like to make a few more deals

688
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,559
like that this season. So tidy Yager managers get on

689
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,079
the phone another deal Victor where Rob admits to overpaying

690
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:27,920
to get his guy, but he doesn't seem to turn

691
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,119
at all. Would that be too much for you to

692
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,279
acquire admittedly one of the better centers in the league.

693
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: I think it's true that you have to overpay to

694
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,480
get your guy. If you have eyed who you want

695
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,359
and you reach out, you're typically going to have to

696
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,480
overpay a bit. I think this is more than I

697
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,920
would want to pay, frankly, although Larkin is awesome and

698
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,440
I like the get In general, and roster consolidation is

699
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
really important, as we've talked about having one guy who

700
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,680
gets more points and you can fit others into those

701
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,240
spots that aren't producing as much is really important. The

702
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:03,200
thing here is, though I think RNH can be pretty

703
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160
similar to what Larkin can be. I don't think it's

704
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,400
that far off. I looked at the points and for

705
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,039
the whole season, Larkin's at six point five three per

706
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,119
game and RNH at five point five five. But you

707
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,519
definitely have weeks and times where they're almost the same.

708
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,800
And I think that we have seen Edmonton's power playgo nuclear,

709
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,519
and since all of those pieces are back, including Hymen

710
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:29,679
and RNH, it has been pretty fantastic, and so I

711
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,320
feel if you're giving RNH, you shouldn't need to give

712
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
as big of a plus. I think Cadden is a

713
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,760
great get. I think that it won't be long until

714
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,159
he's over four point five Fantasy points per game. Even

715
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,039
though he's a low priff guy. I think his points

716
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,760
upside is huge, and I think that he's good. He's

717
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,840
right now the most talented forward on that Seattle cracking team,

718
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,719
even though he's young and has a bit of things

719
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440
to figure out. So I would not have wanted to

720
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,000
give that, but I like the get there, certainly for

721
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,280
the Jamie Bens, and I think another a boot is

722
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,719
another low periffs guy, but I think he could. He

723
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
has seen some looks there in the top six. He'll

724
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,920
probably be up and down and won't be a consistent

725
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
producer for a little bit now. But I like this

726
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,320
RNH side. I think getting both Boot and Cadden is

727
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,360
a huge win. I think long term the Larkins side

728
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,280
probably wins because that's a competitive looks like a playoff team,

729
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,920
and I guess that makes sense for Rob at the

730
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,440
bottom of the league trying to fight to save off relegation.

731
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,960
I just feel like he probably didn't need to give

732
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,960
quite as much of a plus to RNH to get Larkin.

733
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,400
It always depends on what that negotiation is, and sometimes

734
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,639
you just want to make it happen, and so maybe

735
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,280
you'll give a little bit more than you wanted to.

736
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,239
I just feel like he might not regret Boot as much,

737
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719
but he might regret in a year or two even

738
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,599
sooner giving Cadden because I could see Kadden really going

739
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,880
on a run. What about you, Ryn, Yeah, just in that.

740
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: Idea of overpaying, I think he probably could have gotten

741
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,400
it done with either Catten and Nuge or Boot and Nuge.

742
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,719
So I guess it depends on what you think about

743
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,280
Daniel Boot, but you were kind enough I was able

744
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,239
to go into a bit of a deep dive on

745
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,400
Daniel Boot on the Keeping Carlson Short Shifts last week

746
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:12,800
because he did make his debut on the Top but

747
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,079
in the Top six with the Utah Mammoth didn't do

748
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,400
a whole lot, but he's playing the right way. He's

749
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,400
doing a lot of things right, and the early returns

750
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,760
for him in Utah are very positive. You were kind

751
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,280
enough to give me your opinion on Daniel Boot for

752
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,039
that episode, and I'll just read what you had to

753
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,639
say that you think he has the potential to be

754
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,280
similar to an Alexi Protass, a guy who at his

755
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,280
worst is like a depth contributor and at his best

756
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,880
is a productive kind of seventy point ish kind of

757
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,400
guy in the Top six. And so it really does

758
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,320
depend on where you end up with Daniel Boot. If

759
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,679
he ends up closer to an Elmer Soderblom who doesn't

760
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,119
really use that size and skill and just is more

761
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,639
of a replacement level, I think this is more or

762
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,039
less even given the circumstances that you described up top,

763
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,039
But otherwise I think the value is a little too

764
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,519
much for me to give up, especially if isn't a

765
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,400
win now and move up move And we're going to

766
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,960
finish off today Victor with two trades that rhyme a

767
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,559
little bit at least when it comes to one of

768
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,800
the key players involved. Before we continue, Victor, why don't

769
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,360
you give us an idea of what this player is like?

770
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,639
And we're talking about Consta Hellanius. He is featured in

771
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,400
both of these deals, and I'd love if we could

772
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,280
just upend our format here for a second and establish

773
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,280
a little bit of context on the player before digging

774
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,519
into his involvement in these trades.

775
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I think that you have to start

776
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,400
by just naming the production. That he has twenty points

777
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,760
in twenty four games in the AHL as a nineteen

778
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,559
year old is pretty fantastic, and I think you have

779
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,000
to give him credit for that. He also played his

780
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,559
Draft plus one season as an eighteen year old in

781
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,239
the AHL and had over a half point per game,

782
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,519
so all that is very impressive. He's also good at

783
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,400
the World Juniors. Some of his underlying numbers don't look great,

784
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,400
some do look great, and so when you look at

785
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,199
it that way, some of his transition data is quite disappointing.

786
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,840
Actually he's not seeming to do very well there, but

787
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,119
his Fenwick and net expected goals is incredible, incredibly high.

788
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,000
He's winning tons of face offs. That was one of

789
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,920
the questions too, Could he be a center? It looks

790
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440
like he's doing pretty well at that and his bash

791
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,519
has been better than I expected too. His hits are

792
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,199
fiftieth percentile. He shoots a lot, doesn't block too much,

793
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
but overall that's going to give him a solid peripheral floor.

794
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:19,920
So the question is like, how many of these undersized

795
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,639
forwards can they have and can one of them actually

796
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,880
be their top line center? And he's looking more and

797
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,000
more like he could be. So I really like the

798
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,440
opportunity there. He's pushing to be a top six version

799
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,960
of these undersized forwards that they've drafted, like no Oasland.

800
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,440
I think that Helenius is the best option though so far,

801
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,440
and I think that he's the most likely to get

802
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,159
that top opportunity. Whether or not he actually fulfills that,

803
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400
I'm not sure, but it's looking more and more likely.

804
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,119
Speaker 4: Ryan Victor, you're a smart hockey person, right, so you're

805
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:51,920
saying it's possible consta Helnius could get one of those

806
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,280
roles on the Sabers. Unfortunately, I don't think the Sabers

807
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,360
have a ton of smart hockey people in there, and

808
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,800
so I think at the time of this recording, they

809
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,199
just sent down Noah Oasland. Lindy Ruff not too happy

810
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:06,360
about losing a very good, productive young player from his roster.

811
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,599
They don't seem to know what they're doing there either way.

812
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,280
Constant Hellnius looks like he could be one of those

813
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,239
guys that maybe they overpay by a couple million dollars

814
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,159
in a couple of years, or they just never give

815
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,119
him the opportunity even though he deserves it. So it's

816
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,639
an interesting nebulous asset to talk about here. Good to

817
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,519
get an idea on where he is as of late,

818
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:26,880
and you're right, he's taken a huge step this year,

819
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,400
and so with all that in mind, we have a

820
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,840
deal involving him here. Brandon, also known as our HHL

821
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,920
Commission on our Discord, acquires Hellnius and Basher defenseman Steyan Soldberg,

822
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,000
who is a favorite of mine from Filthy Animal, who

823
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,320
is a new manager to the to the Tidy Lemieux

824
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,760
cadre of the managers. He acquires Steven Stamcos and Brady Shay,

825
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,800
So this is acquiring two productive Ish veteran options for

826
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:57,679
the future prospect of a constant Hellnius and Steyan. Solberg

827
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:59,920
didn't have the time to hear from Brandon, who is

828
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,360
I'm sure very busy with all the work he does

829
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,440
for Fantasy Hockey Life among other things. But we did

830
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,880
have Mike filthy animal way in on this deal, and

831
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,880
he says when he was promoted to Lemieux that he

832
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,360
set a goal to stay there. The team that he

833
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,159
inherited was stacked with prospects and had very little pro

834
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,719
level depth. The roster wasn't even full. The plan was

835
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,360
to move futures for established players and try to nickel

836
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,400
and dime his way up the standings. And as a

837
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,119
little side note addendum here, I can vouch for that

838
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,960
the previous manager was really into the prospect game, maybe

839
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,840
not so much into the pro talent game, and was

840
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,320
really angling towards a window that's a bit later, and

841
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,480
back to Mike here that he felt so far it's

842
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
been tough to find a dance partner at that point

843
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,719
in the season who would be willing to move contributing assets,

844
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440
especially in a short run to the playoffs, he made

845
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,840
it clear that everyone was available and even shopped Michael

846
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,960
Misa looking for a high end return and got nothing Crickets.

847
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Eventually he found a team that was willing to move

848
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,960
a veteran players for futures, and they landed on Holnius

849
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,400
and Solberg for the struggling Stamcoast and Shay and that.

850
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,440
Both players he's acquired have been steady depth contributors and

851
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:08,800
helped him better battle his way to fourth place in

852
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Lemieux with at this time a five to two record,

853
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,239
and he's improved that since then, with Misa, Yurov, Victor

854
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,079
Ecklund and others still in the pipeline and pasta Ajo

855
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,039
and Jarvis leading his core. The future is bright. Dare

856
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,599
he say the future is filthy? I love to see

857
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,440
Mike getting involved here early, Victor, I know you do too.

858
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,400
In his time stewarding this team in tidy Lemieux, he

859
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,840
acquires some lower end pro options. Admittedly for some lower

860
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,119
end prospects. Is that how this works it for you, Victor?

861
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And people may might not remember, but Mike

862
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,159
filthy animal was up in Lord Stanley had to step

863
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,920
away from a bit and what re entered the league

864
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,039
at the bottom and worked his way up and has

865
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:53,239
been doing great. So very strong manager and definitely knows

866
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,880
what he's doing. This is a very interesting trade to

867
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,599
me because it seems like I'm not exactly sure you

868
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,960
know what's going on here. Looking at the fantasy points

869
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480
per game, Stancos at three point two two and generally

870
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,719
just above three is like replacement level in this league.

871
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920
So he's right below that. Brady Shay is at two

872
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,239
point six, which is definitely below replacement. So the NHL

873
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,239
as sure have some value, but they're not doing so

874
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,199
right now. I absolutely love Stolberg and Helenius, but we

875
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,840
talked a little bit about Helenius stein Silberg. I just

876
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,440
got the opportunity to watch him play in the HL

877
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,360
and that article is coming out for the Journey this

878
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,599
by the time you by the time this episode is released,

879
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,199
should be able to read that he is a dude.

880
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,840
He is awesome. He is gonna absolutely truck guys. His

881
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,280
hits are incredible. He's a big physical presence. He's the

882
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320
kind of guy that when you're forward coming into the zone,

883
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,800
you are aware of where he is at all times

884
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,639
and probably are just going to go try to enter

885
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,880
the zone on the other side, because Stein Silberg is

886
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,960
definitely a physical presence, and so it's interesting to me

887
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,519
though that I like Brandon's side here, but getting Soilberg

888
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,199
and Helenius isn't going to help him so much as

889
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,239
he tries to stave off relegation, and right now he

890
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,400
is last in the league and it seems like he

891
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,519
has a date with relegation coming. Looking at his roster,

892
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,239
maybe you'd think he probably has some guys that are

893
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,920
injured and maybe they will come out and perform better.

894
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,360
Not really is the answer to that. As far as

895
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,840
I can tell, that he does have some players who

896
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,079
have underperformed, and I think that could turn around. I

897
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,639
like the bet long term if he does stave off relegation.

898
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,519
I love this for him because I think those two

899
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,320
players could absolutely start contributing very soon. And it's really

900
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,679
hard to find those players in this league that can

901
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,039
turn things around for you and pull your team up

902
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,239
from the basement. So in general, i'd want Silburg and Helenius,

903
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,679
which is opposite of the poll. I think a lot

904
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,599
of times there's a tendency to vote for the NHLers,

905
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
but I just don't think those two are very interesting.

906
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:57,559
Speaker 2: Though.

907
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,119
Speaker 3: I will say of all the players who are or

908
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:03,360
below replacement level, Stephen Stamcos is certainly one who I

909
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,119
think could flip the script on that and become more valuable.

910
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,360
We just haven't really seen it yet, so I remain

911
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,639
skeptical that it's going to happen.

912
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wonder if this is one of those ones, Victor,

913
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,719
where if I reposted the poll in the Tidy Trades channel,

914
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,239
if it'd be completely different. Right now, the voting on

915
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,159
this is from about a month ago a lot. At

916
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,480
that time, I think you Stampcos was starting to score

917
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,880
a little bit more, and there's some name recognition definitely there.

918
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,880
I think I really like this for Mike's side of

919
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,760
the deal, and I think it becomes even more interesting

920
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,840
if Barry Trotz eventually does decide to blow up Nashville

921
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,679
and maybe we see Stampcos go elsewhere, maybe he ends up.

922
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,719
I know the big talking points are like, do these

923
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,760
guys go to other no tax states? So do we

924
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,400
see a Stephen Stamkos or a Brady Shay end up

925
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,920
in Dallas or in Vegas, or perhaps back in Tampa

926
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,679
Bay or on the Florida Panthers, Like I wonder if

927
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,360
we do see the stampcost moved to the Panthers, for instance,

928
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,679
if we see the same kind of late career blow

929
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
up there Brad Marshaand is experiencing right now, that's when

930
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,239
this deal will become I think, really interesting to me.

931
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,719
But that's probably for another podcast later in the year.

932
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,559
We're going to stay on the Hillarious track here, and

933
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:13,679
we started with Mystics and we might as well end

934
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,920
with Mystics two, who has been busy all season. This

935
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,039
was one the deal that she made earlier in the

936
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,199
season of all people, with the Steel City Stars, who

937
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,000
is one of the stronger teams in the Tidy Top Division.

938
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,239
Here we have Mystics who paired Hellarius with another solid

939
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,320
Nashville pro, this time one who you do want to have,

940
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:37,280
the captain Roman Yosi. She sends Consta Hellanius and Roman

941
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Yosi and gets back right winger Gabriel Valardi defensive I

942
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,800
almost said prospect, but he's been a contributor for Dallas

943
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,840
this year, Liam Bixell and Philadelphia goaltender sammy Erson. So

944
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,800
lots of more pro ready assets here, Victor. So that's

945
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,000
certainly something to consider here. Mystics, of course, keeping trying

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to really use the spoils of hers bursal draft, that

947
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Yosi was her third overall pick, and that when he

948
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was sitting on her ir and not accruing points for her,

949
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she decided that she couldn't wait out his return, that

950
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she was losing too many possible points and went looking

951
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for a trade partner. Steel City was strong enough to

952
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wait for a Roman Yosi return, and so she gets

953
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back Vollardi a player to roster immediately, Eyerson a player

954
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to help her weak goaliepool, and Lion Bixell to help

955
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recover the loss of a good prospect in Helenius. And

956
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then she thinks that as trade partners they fit very well.

957
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And Thumper, the Steel City Stars manager, had this to say.

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He had a lot of great insight here, that his

959
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goal in this deal was to strengthen d from a

960
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position of strength at wing and in goal. That he

961
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feels Yosi was worth the gamble if he can be

962
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eighty percent of himself, and that Helenius is a B

963
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,880
plus prospect, a smart player and starting to produce in

964
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the Ahl Buffalo and needing some talent, so he's happy

965
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with his side of the deal, and that he says

966
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that this deal is probably more of the variety where

967
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he had some extra assets at wing and in goal

968
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,440
and felt that he could try to make a move

969
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,440
to increase his defensive depth. He felt Ersen could be

970
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:05,000
moved and that his winger core is pretty deep, and

971
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at the time of the deal, Harrison Bruniki and archie

972
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Levschinov were call ups alongside Bixel, so he was having

973
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to decide between them each week and felt he could

974
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let go of Bixel as a result. He also, as

975
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we've been talking about the entire time here, right back

976
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:20,400
to my deal earlier, that one of the most important

977
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aspects to the Tidy League is having a nice steady

978
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,039
stream of farm miners eligible call ups each year, and

979
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then he shoots to have guys that he thinks will

980
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be able to play in the NHL and give him

981
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those extra games played every week, So having too many

982
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at once or a big gap can hurt, and that

983
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,480
he thinks Helenius can give him that in a year

984
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or two. We've talked at length Victor about Mystic's injury luck,

985
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so we don't need to get into that too much.

986
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Did she get enough for moving off of one of

987
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her top dispersal draft picks in Roman Yosi.

988
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Speaker 3: I think so. I think she laid out the reasoning

989
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,039
pretty perfectly there. She's not doing she wasn't doing well

990
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,440
and couldn't wait around for things to get worse. Sometimes

991
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,079
you can get too far behind her. It's a good

992
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,639
reminder that. And Lord Stanley is the only division where

993
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you have three teams get relegated, whereas in the other

994
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visions you have one, and so it's really important to

995
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,280
keep that in mind because you really don't want to

996
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,519
be in that relegation playoffs. It's quite stressful and things

997
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,280
can go sideways in a hurry, and you have more

998
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,920
chance of going down than staying up. So you want

999
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to make sure you pull yourself out of that as

1000
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quickly as possible. So I think they weren't really. I

1001
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think they obviously helped her. As you mentioned, she hasn't

1002
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lost since those trades, and it definitely helped beat me.

1003
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Without those trades, I think I would have won that matchup,

1004
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,880
which is fine. It really worked out well for her,

1005
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,519
and I think that for Steel City, I think this

1006
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is the benefits of being a little farther up in

1007
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the standings is that you can make a bet like this.

1008
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We already talked about how helpful Helenius can be, and

1009
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I think that he can just sit on that and wait,

1010
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,519
and in a couple of years he should be really

1011
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:56,119
a strong contributor. And then you take a gamble with

1012
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,440
someone like Roman Yosi. For Mystics, she couldn't wait around

1013
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,679
any longer. She couldn't handle seeing those points just not

1014
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,440
appear on her team after being an ar for so long,

1015
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,840
and steel City has a little bit of a buffer,

1016
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,960
so it can wait and get that contribution. So I

1017
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,440
think this is a great trade. It's a classic win win.

1018
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,920
Both teams get what they need and helps Mystics short term,

1019
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,639
helps steel City long term. And sometimes with players like Yosie,

1020
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you are really hesitant to take a gamble like that,

1021
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,880
but when you're a strong team, that's exactly the kind

1022
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of gamble that you want to make. And I think

1023
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so far it could work out really well for both

1024
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:33,440
of them.

1025
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Speaker 4: And those are the kind of gambles, Victor that keep

1026
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,320
you in the tidy top division, and ultimately you do

1027
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,480
what you have to do to stay in the top

1028
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,079
division of the tidy that Lord Stanley Division is the

1029
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,320
hallowed hall for many of us fantasy Hockey managers. It's

1030
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not easy to get here, and Mystics is certainly showing

1031
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,920
her metal as the matriarch of Fantasy Hockey Life's first family,

1032
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,079
and so we're very happy to see her involved and

1033
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,960
getting dirty with some of these deals. I'm sure this

1034
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isn't the last we'll hear from Mystics as the show

1035
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,440
continues through the season, but it is the last that

1036
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you'll hear of me for today. So thanks for having

1037
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,760
me once again, Victor, and I hope everyone out there

1038
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,199
in Prospect Lands enjoys Prospect Christmas, which happens to coincide

1039
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,920
with normal Christmas, also known as the World Juniors, which

1040
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:19,719
we'll be getting underway in a few short weeks. I

1041
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,360
know you're excited, Victor. I'm excited, and I won't make

1042
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any promises because of course, we all know that the

1043
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,199
Tidy Takes segment depends on having deals from our Fantasy

1044
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,159
Hockey life to your dynasty managers to talk about. But

1045
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,800
we usually do see an influx of trades in January

1046
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,199
around the World Juniors based on what people are seeing,

1047
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,960
what people have seen in the World Junior Tournament and

1048
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,840
keep your fingers crossed for some relevant names to talk

1049
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,800
about as we get to further into the Fantasy hockey

1050
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,480
season here. But in the meantime, I will wish everyone

1051
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,480
to marry World Juniors and to all a good.

1052
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:03,800
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