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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in nowur number two ot B
here live from the Raising Kine Studio. You heard Taday
say it there and that's exactly where we're going. The
New Orleans Saints have made a change at quarterback. Tyler
Schoff will now be the starting quarterback. Spencer Rattler will
go to the backup position. They did it against Tampa Bay.
Shuck comes into the game for Rattler, and you know,
I didn't think it was that close to happening like
it played out there. It was almost like you were
never going to give Spencer Ratler the full opportunity for
the full season to be the guy, Like you were
just waiting for any moment where you could put Tyler
Shuck into the game there. And you know, for the
people that were like you drafted even forty, you got
to see what you have. Well here it is. Here
is what you're going to get. You're going to get
Tyler Shuck now as you're starting quarterback, and typically unless
it's just an abomination, he'll stay your starting quarterback because
you don't look just like we talked about with Spencer Ratler,
you didn't want to mess with his confidence with the
way that he was playing, and you didn't want to
go in out and out.
Speaker 2: So now Tyler Shuck's going to be your guy there.
Speaker 3: And I personally don't think it should be the move,
but there's a lot of people I wanted to see again.
Speaker 2: They wanted to see Tyler Shuck as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3: And so now here we are, what week number what
nine in the NFL, and he's gonna be your guy.
Speaker 2: I would assume Matt for the rest of the season too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would assume so the way when we talked
to Nick yesterday, he kind of brought up the point,
and I agree with him. It is a little bit
strange because you feel like this Kellen Moore has kind
of been in charge of this whole process, like he's
had a good thumb on the pulse of this whole
process exactly how he wanted to do it. Spencer Rattler
won the starting job. He was the best leader he's
the best player going into the season. Now you've won
one game, you're won and seven, So you you see
the right in the wall that at some point Tyler
Shuck's going to play some football. He's gonna get his
opportunity to go in there and get some experience, get
some game experience, and do what everybody wants him to see, which.
Speaker 2: Is see what you have.
Speaker 4: So you knew that was gonna happen the way it happened,
which was a little bit, a little bit strange in
my opinion. And you're one and seven, Yeah, your offense
needs to spark a lot of turnovers. I get it,
Like you can't if offensive turned If the offense turns
the ball over, it's going to fall on the quarterbacks shoulders,
whether it's a fumble, whether it's an interception, whether it's
you know, directly has fault or not. And a lot
of them what were his fault? And that was kind
of why, you know, everybody was the protection of the football.
The first handful of weeks was like, yeah, well this
guy's this guy's doing great. He's doing great. He's protecting
the football. They're not turning over, they're not losing the game.
Well they haven't. They did turn it over. So that
was like the first sign that like any like the
blemish on the radar for Spencer Rattler led offense. Now,
of course the points weren't like we were scoring as
many points as we needed to.
Speaker 2: They weren't plays being made.
Speaker 4: A lot of light goes into that, but you can
always hang your head on they're protecting the football. When
you don't protect the football, you kind of lose lose
that argument. So when you don't, you make a change.
And the way they made the change, that the time
they made the change is so weird because Kellen Moore
has had such a process in mind and he's had
such a he's all, you know, you felt like he
was under control and at the right moment they put
Tyler in give him an opportunity. I did find it
strange that they threw him in in the middle of
the game because they needed a spark on offense on
a one and one and six football team. Yeah and down,
And I think I think he got pulled. He got
pulled after she'd fumbled something like that, which you know
it's not directly Spencer Rattler's fault. Right the offense needed
a little spark. But for a guy that seemed to
be in control of the situation, as Kellen Moore has
I did, that's that decision seemed a little out of
control in my opinion, for a move that everyone kind
of saw that was going to come eventually in the
season because you're not winning games. Whether it's Spencer's fault
or not, it seemed a little bit out of character
to this point for.
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore, seemed a little bit out of control.
Speaker 4: You I would have thought that when you throw him
in there for the first time to get meaningful reps
to take ownership and leadership of an offense, that you
give him a week of prep to give him the
best opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he goes out there and does fine.
Speaker 4: I mean it looked, you know, it looked like how
it's looked with Spencer right, some decent throws, some bad
offensive line play, some really bad offensive line play, some
bad receiver play, some really bad receiver play, no real
run game, no real run game to speak of. So
I don't anticipate it looking any different. Yeah, I'm sure
he's gonna hit some big plays and good plays, and
people are gonna cheer there's gonna be some frustrating place
He's gonna hit a lot of checkdown Charlie's he's going to.
Speaker 2: The team's not changing around him.
Speaker 4: But I do want to take my hat off to
hol Spencer Rattlers handling the situation as well. Hey, he's
handled handled it like a like a professional to the
to the next level as well. I can tell you
when I got when I got benched, I didn't handle
it nearly as well as he did.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he is too, but like it's one of
the situations. Yeah, I saw Nick Underhill sweet yesterday about it.
He caught up with Spencer, Yeah, and kind of asked
him like, hey, man, why did you why did you
decide to take the podium Sunday after the game. You
didn't have to. Wasn't a requirement that you could have,
you know, done a couple of things at your locker
and yeah, gotten taking a shower pill and got out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shower shower that forever.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But he said, look, you got to handle it like
a pro.
Speaker 4: And this is you know, you take you take your lumps,
you get knocked down, you got to keep fighting.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change anything.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna handle this and be the best team that
I can be, And not a lot of people will
sit there and say that coming off in the heat
of the moment like that, like maybe after a couple
of days of thinking about it and prepping a speech
and prepping like how I'm going to handle this now?
Speaker 2: Then that was they came from the heart and he's serious.
Speaker 4: So like a lot of a lot of kudos to him,
which is only going to help Tyler shuck, Like if
he knew there was a disgruntled Spencer Rattler in the room,
Like that doesn't help anybody, no, right, especially the coach,
the quarterback that's playing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and they asked, they asked him, you know
about it after the move was made, and he said,
I'm gonna go about my work the same way.
Speaker 2: Pull that.
Speaker 3: This is a little bit different quote, but he said,
I'm gonna go about my work the same.
Speaker 2: Way that one. If you wanted which one. I think
it's that same quote that you're talking about. It's part
of the game. I'm going to be a great teammate
and respond the right way. I think that is. Look
at Alandra always on top of it. Let's play that audio.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we came out of the half, didn't
have a great drive, kept getting back to up, back
to back to you know, just really couldn't catch a rhythm.
And you know, he said, hey, we're gonna go with Tyler,
get a little spark. See see what's gonna happen. And
you know it's part of the game, you know, And
I understand you can't control everything, but you know, hey,
I'm gonna be a great teammate and respond the right way,
you know, be a pro about it and helping anyway
I can. I mean, I just go at it the
same way. You know, it's part of the game. I've
been through adversity before. I'm gonna be a good teammate,
have good body language, still be a.
Speaker 2: Leader, you know.
Speaker 5: So I just got to show up to work, keep
keep a smile on my face, keep working and uh,
you know, you can only control what you can. I've
said that before, So we'll control what I can and
keep attacking the same way.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's much better than right after the game.
Speaker 2: Right after the game, that's that's that's very Uh, let's
place sucks.
Speaker 3: Why do I have the the the ultimate feeling that
Spencer ratlet is going to go somewhere else and just
light it up. Just has that feel to it. But
uh yeah, look saying the right things. And for Tyler shuck. Uh,
it's a great opportunity for him now has a full
week to prepare.
Speaker 2: Now he's going against the Rams.
Speaker 4: That's that's a very very He's an opportunity.
Speaker 2: So we call opportunities there, Jake. Yeah. Uh. Kyler Moore
had this to say about it. We weren't playing well
on offense.
Speaker 3: It had more to do with our entire offense to
your point, Matt, then Spencer, Yes, Spencer had some turnover
bugs the last two weeks, but he's played plenty of
good football. I was trying to generate a spark, trying
to generate something that can get us going collectively. And
I thought Tyler went in there, dot dot he battled, So.
Speaker 2: That tells me he was gonna go. Oh. I thought
Tyler went in there, he battled, He battled.
Speaker 3: But it is the offense collectively, and I'm not saying
Spencer Ratler it was perfect by any means.
Speaker 2: Look I am he did play it, just keell us play.
He played a lot of good football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a situation that is not I'm not gonna
say anything's unfair, uh, in a situation that is, other
guys are put in a little bit easier situation because
they don't have guys behind him that are right there
that are a second round pick. Kind of everybody kind
of wants him to play at the first sign of
a blimish, Like if you have a couple of blemishes
and you stack them, then that's I mean, that's kind
of riding on the table a little bit. But do
you look at other situations, look at I mean, I know,
you got to have like there's always an asterisk with
that whatever round you were picked in.
Speaker 2: Next day he's got a fifth round.
Speaker 4: Is he is Bryce Young playing better than Spencer rally,
but much cleaner situation there.
Speaker 2: Not having somebody breathing over your shoulder, you know what
I mean. So anyway, a lot of good too many blimmishes.
Speaker 3: The red rifles just there just in case breaking glass,
in case of emergency. He's not looking over they've broken glass. Yeah,
he's playing uniform and everything.
Speaker 4: Anyway, there's no there's never there's not an unfair situation.
We're not we're you know, playing the world's tiniest fiddle
here for NFL football players. But yeah, it was a
situation where he couldn't make mistakes. And when you stack
a couple of mistakes on top of each other and
you don't have a winning record, you know, things happen.
But I kind of do get that feeling as well.
I think he's got a lot of good football in
front of him, and I hope Tyler Shuck's got a
lot of good football in front him. So we're gonna
find out he's got an opportunity today. It's a really dangerous,
dangerous Rams football team.
Speaker 3: All Right, we will step away and when we come back,
I'm going to be joined by doctor Stephn Etheridge here
in studio as we do every single Wednesday, and we'll
do it right here on OTB live from the Raising
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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, Doctor Steven Etheridge here with us as
he is every single week to break down the latest
injuries across the sports world.
Speaker 3: And well we're gonna start doc with uh the twenty
twenty four meathead Player of the Year, Cam Skataboo. He
was playing so well, you know, the Giants weren't winning games,
but it was fun. Jackson Dark camp Scatter, just a
little couple of meatheads out there and just doing meathead things.
And I mean so meathead that he tried to stand
up after his foot was facing the opposite direction. It's
one of those ones like you just don't even want
to watch, kind of walk us through how that happens,
what you do when that happens, and maybe like what
the timetable is for his recovery.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I guess the p s A is don't
stand up on your foots the wrong.
Speaker 2: He tried, and he tries. His teammates were like, no, like,
you look at that.
Speaker 8: Thing, right, I just looked down. Well, you see these injuries.
Unfortunately we get them. You know, you'll see them a
few times a year, you feel like, and most of
the times, you know it's gonna be one of those scenarios,
you know, where you kind of you're playing it in
the ground, you're cutting your twist and your body weight's
going one way, but the foot's not, you know, and
it's it's it's something's usally gonna have to give in
that scenario. And unfortunately, in this case, you know, he
had what looked like an ankle dislocation at the time.
When that happens, obviously, yeah, you're gonna see if you've
se an extremity go in the wrong direction, never a
good thing, ever a good thing. And and so at
that point when you're out there assessing that, you first
want to kind of make sure you understand where the
severity of this injury is. You know, is does the
person have a good pulse, because sometimes if you have
an injury like that, you can compromise blood flow of
distial Is is it an open dislocation or fracture, meaning
is there a bone sticking out again? It can get
more gruesome than just a foot going the wrong way,
because if that's the case, you got to control bleeding
and you got to worry about that.
Speaker 6: It does sort of affect what we do in that scenario.
Speaker 8: And then if possible, is it something that we can
reduce on the field, meaning can we pop it back
in place?
Speaker 6: And and ultimately painful?
Speaker 2: How painful is that it hurt? Adrenaline going?
Speaker 8: Adrenaline's going, and that's why I mean, you want to
get as quick as you can. Adrenaline is still going,
then you want to get that guy then and and
and and and typically it hurts more when it's out
of place. Obviously when it's back in So even though yeah,
popping it back end is gonna hurt, then it's like, oh,
I feel better now, you know, you get that, you
get that immediate relief. So we're gonna try our best
to get it back in place for a lot of
reasons as quickly as possible, you know. And it's it's
it's funny how last week I believe we talked about,
you know, wearing the boots around the facility and the
boot's not necessarily a bad sign. But when you see
that vacuum splint come out, you see that splint where
we're pumping it, and it's the one that you saw
him leave, that's never that's yeah, you don't want to
see the vacuum splint coming off the field. That's gonna
be one because that's something where we're stabilizing that joint
immediately because it's an unstable joint in that scenario, So
you know, and then that's gonna be one.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 8: They're almost always gonna know, be surgical and things like that,
especially an ankle, it's gonna typically need surgery. We're gonna
get evaluated, not right away, but it's it's gonna be
a process.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, real quick, Sorry Matt, to cut
you off, but I wanted to ask, like, what's docs
countdown when you're popping back in place? Is it on
three and you go one and then you just do it?
Is it like do you change it up?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm typically not gonna go on three. I'm gonna
I'm gonna get you a little quick. Uh so fair warning. Yeah,
you know we're gonna talk to him about it. If
you wanted to kind of know what you're gonna do. Uh,
I've got I've grabbed a couple you know, maybe upper
str fingers and just done it before you can give
him the warning.
Speaker 6: You know you're gonna have to do it at.
Speaker 8: Or half a second, you see that, you see that
anger in the eye, and you gotta kind of you
kinda get kind of lean back just in case a
fist comes flying. But then but then immediately it turns
from you know, to gratitude as soon as you get
it in.
Speaker 4: How do you decide in the moment you talked about
you have to figure out you have to diagnose if
it can be popped back into place, because I'm assuming
there's some injuries where it's dislocated, where there could be
some nerve or something issue that you don't want to
pop it back into place. Like it's how do you
make that decision in like in the heat of the moment,
in the split second one.
Speaker 8: You know a lot of the times you know it's
going to be you know, if you if you look
at it and if there's something obviously out of place,
you know, an open injury, can we even get this
back in?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: That's that's what I was saying earlier, if there's a
bone sticking out something crazy, do I really fel like
I can even get this to go back right?
Speaker 6: So that's going to be the first obvious one.
Speaker 8: And then once you've got to move beyond that, you know,
sometimes you're gonna kind of have to get a little fuel.
Speaker 6: For what's going on. You have to kind of put
your hands on it.
Speaker 8: And if that's the thing's not moving too much when
I grab it, I'm you know, it might be something
where we don't want to do it on the field
at the very least. You know, a lot of times
the shoulder pops out sometimes that can be a little
harder to get back in, so you know, we may
try once or twice really quickly kind of you know,
and if we can't get it low key real quick,
we might get them off into the tent or even
into the locker room. So so it's a I don't know,
there's one thing you look for outside the big catastrophic,
But once you get beyond that, it's it's a lot
of times a little bit of a trial and er.
If it's not sliding in really easy, we might wait
until we.
Speaker 2: Because last year it was kind of it was kind
of funny.
Speaker 4: My wife and I joked about it now, not to
like compare the two injuries between, like an ankle dislocation,
but my wife were we were throwing football with our
kids outside and she broke her pinky and it was
like hanging to the side, and I was like, well,
close your eyes, I'm gonna pop this thing back in.
And I didn't do it because she was in so
much pain. So I called the doc and I was like,
they're like, well, good thing you didn't pop it back
into place because there's like a spiral fracture in it.
I'm like, well, how would I would have known? Like,
because I remember I remember the hill?
Speaker 2: Would you think your ass was qualified enough to do that? Though?
Because I've seen I've seen people do it. I think
my dad did it to me when I was a kid.
Speaker 8: Well, and then it is a fracture sometimes so is
it at the joint and sometimes where the disruption is Well,
my brother's a doctor.
Speaker 2: I think I felt like I could do it.
Speaker 6: Hang around us enough.
Speaker 2: It's friends of the family. Jesus, all right, relax, guy, employees.
It had my bone sticking out, Matt, So it's fun.
Get some tape.
Speaker 4: So when you when you have that inflatable cast that
comes out, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a compound fracture, right,
and compounds like when it's sticking out.
Speaker 8: Correct, Yeah, compound open, there's a couple of different terms
we use for those, but same thing. You know, it
doesn't necessarily mean that. No, it typically means it's an
unstable injury, or we're worried that it's an unstable injury
at the very least if it's something dislocated, something broken.
Almost definitely when you see that, you know, there might
be a few times we're maybe a little overly cautious
and put it on just in case, but most of
the time you see the vacuum splint.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be one of those types of.
Speaker 4: Injuries when that happens, Like if you have an open
wound like that from a broken bone or dislocation, there's
a bone sticking.
Speaker 2: I remember there.
Speaker 4: We had a guy in Green Bay who snapped his
femur in half and the femur was sticking out of
his thigh and I was like what, And of course
everyone's back the way, no one's really seeing what happening
because it gets in that cast pretty quickly, like is it.
I don't want to like make light of the situation,
but like you push, push the bone back in and
then like cover up the open wound, Like what do
you do on the.
Speaker 6: Definitely gonna cover up the open wound.
Speaker 8: You're gonna kind of if you can kind of get
a better alignment, you're gonna you're gonna aim for that.
And then if you think about a part of the
benefit of having this vacuum splint is the compression because
anytime you have have a open wound that's bleeding, you,
especially if it's around a big best vessel, you want
to stop the bleeding. So everything we can do and
part of that is that that vacuum splint is gonna
put pressure on the wound, is gonna kind of compress it.
So so that's where we're starting a lot of times.
So so yeah, we'll put that on and it's open,
we'll cover it.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 8: Obviously that's one that we're gonna get a little bit
more rapidly out of there to the to the hospital
so we can flush that thing out because you gotta st
worry about infection and things like that. So you really
want to clean those out good and as quick as
you can. Uh So, so all that process starts immediately.
Speaker 3: I mean you worry about infections and everything, right, can
you be like certain out there you.
Speaker 8: Know field and all the all the stuff that's out there.
I mean, it's it's you got to really watch those
things out good. And you know, there's been a couple
of guys that over the years you've seen it, you
that have had those unfortunately where they got infected after
the fact they had their surgery. And even if you
do everything right, it's a you got to get every
bit of that out of there, and that could be hard.
Speaker 3: Uh this next question, you can just say no else
you's had a head coaching change.
Speaker 2: We all know that.
Speaker 3: You're one of the team doctors, and so you you know,
have communication with the head coach. Like so now when
you have an interim coach, but it is somebody you know,
I mean you've known Frank for a long time, it's
just kind of the same like because you know Frank,
it's just like, Okay, well that's just who we're going
to talk with now about injuries, and it's just yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, every coach has gonna have a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of a different information.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of them want it right away.
Speaker 8: Some of them just say, hey, look we're gonna we're
gonna figure this out later. Some of them want to
hear it, you know, on Sundays we go into we
do treatments. Some of the coaches like to meet with us.
Some of them, I just like to get it from
one source. Some of them want to hear.
Speaker 2: The whole group.
Speaker 8: So so they're all gonna have a little bit of
their own approach. To your point, you know, we transition
here to Frank should be pretty easy for us. He's
a guy that that's been around the program a while,
guy that all of us have relationships with. I've known
Frank pretty much. He was there when I got here
his last go round. So I mean his guy that
I've known a long time. I think is gonna do
a great job. And and yeah, so I don't I
don't think for us there's gonna be much.
Speaker 6: Of a change.
Speaker 8: It will be pretty seamless, right But but but yeah,
to your point, each coach is gonna do it a
little bit different, and he may tell us that hey,
this is how I want it.
Speaker 6: And that's what we'll do. You know, we can. We're
pretty adapted with those types of things.
Speaker 4: Have y'all been kind of in tune with another Schedules
are going to be probably a little bit different. Frank's
gonna have his own touch on a couple of things.
We got a bye week this week, second bye week,
so we've kind of you have the routine down from
last time, but it might be a little bit different.
It would be your first day in you expecting a
different like schedule changes or anything. I know, it's a
bye week, is a big week to get rested, be
it recovered, get treatment, and of course continue to treat
the injuries that are already there. But I expected any
any new schedule this week.
Speaker 6: I think schedule will be similar.
Speaker 8: You know that he may add in a different workout
here or there, which might have a slight effect on us.
I think, you know, the thing I've been hearing, you know,
mostly is just the attitude. You know, they're they're really
trying to be more intense, trying to to pick up
the intensity is the is the big thing I've heard.
Speaker 6: And you know, does that really change the schedule?
Speaker 8: No, But I think I think what I've got out
of the first day out of yesterday's practice I heard
it was a little more of an intense practice than
you would he only expect or what we would have
expected during a bye week. I think trying to pick
up the energy a little bit, which.
Speaker 2: Is what we want to hear. That's exactly what I
wanted to hear.
Speaker 3: That is exactly because there's only one speed at LSU,
and that speed was not being played, and here's hoping
that it gets played.
Speaker 2: Uh, Doc, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I always appreciate the time, even though you're talking about
bone sticking out in the back end and.
Speaker 2: Yep, my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Real quick, what's the worst bone you've ever seen out
on a football field on.
Speaker 8: A football field, it's it's probably been an ankle. Uh
some some of the er they're little bit different it. Yeah,
what about we had femurs a minute ago. I had
Amerasa have one second. I was a med student in this,
like my first week on a trauma rotation, so very
very new to this. And literally guy comes in from
motorcycle accident and his ankle was hanging on by a
thread of tissue. Fact, the whold My job was the whole.
Speaker 2: I'm a lowly med.
Speaker 8: Students guy, I'm like, uh, you mean his foot and
I'm looking there is like one little piece of like
tissue hole.
Speaker 6: I'm just like, my eyes.
Speaker 2: Get this big and can you say is it? You
can't say that.
Speaker 6: Right in that scenario didn't didn't work out?
Speaker 4: So well yeah right, yeah, So, like I think most
people when we watch sports and like a bad fracture,
a break happens, or something goes to the direction it's
not supposed to go. But God did not create it
that way. It's most of us turn away, right. I can't, like,
I don't like to see bones breaking, like, but I
know your experience with it. To be a doctor you
have to have you can't have that. So but is
there every time it's like you walk up to it
and like you just go, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Well good, well I will say this.
Speaker 8: That's the one that makes it worse than sideline because
these are kids that I know, you know, it's a
little different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So so even though yeah, from the ear, you coming
with this ankle turning the wrong way, you maybe it's
a half second oof, but you know you kind of
turn the switch when you're out there, you know, you realize, like, hey,
this ankle is attached to this guy that I know
really well, kid that I care about. It does have
a little bit of a different effect then true.
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going on at l s U, what's he hearing.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna be the next head coach? All of that.
When we come back on O T B.
Speaker 10: Off the Bench, y'all really boost say here we go,
y'all really post post dirty soap hang.
Speaker 1: Out blocked in on L s U Football twenty four
to seven. You're listening to Off the Bench.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in O t B.
Speaker 3: Trying to get in contact with a guy Chris Love
on three certainly.
Speaker 2: To all back in the day little league baseball. The
name christ Love.
Speaker 4: It's one of those guys that got really tall early.
He was like, you know, over six foot, so it
wasn't very low.
Speaker 2: He went low. Sorry, baseball player. What's Chris doing now?
I don't know. I had spoken to him since that season.
Speaker 4: I think we didn't go to the same school on
the same team though, gotcha, I'm.
Speaker 2: I get it. You know, clicky, have any high school
friends that you still stay.
Speaker 4: In contact with a lot, which is unfortunate kind of
happens when you kind of move away and go back.
Couldn't go to my ten year reunion because I was
playing football?
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, although my high school doesn't have reunions,
so it didn't really matter that I was playing football.
Speaker 4: Street Port evangel seems like the peak place that would
have reunions. And it's like, I don't even need to
dust off my letter jacket because I still wear it
pretty frequently.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 3: That's I kind of wish it was like that. I
wish it was like West Caine and the coyotes.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I didn't even like have a letterman jacket
because like we all sport.
Speaker 4: That is one of the more shocking things because I'm
a jock. No, just because you know, the report of
Angels seems.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it, but it seems kind
of douchey.
Speaker 3: Oh it's because you wouldn't play us.
Speaker 4: I can say that on there, I think so Taylor London,
I say douchey Hunter.
Speaker 3: I mean you said like three times right then, so
well it's confirmation it was for education. I can just
tell you right now. We had to work y'all. We
had to beat y'all with our frosted tips.
Speaker 4: And it would have been a tight first one and
a half quarters something like that.
Speaker 3: After like the fifteenth past that we just hit over
the top of your basic Cover three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably like probably.
Speaker 4: Super basic looking back on it. Oh, cover three is tough.
You gotta drop a safety down. There's a lot of
communication that has to happen.
Speaker 2: But true, that's fair, that's completely fair. Yeah, No, ten
yure reunion, No twenty year, which twenty year would have
been last year.
Speaker 4: So but I'll spend on the ball seven to nine
times a game he'd have been toast.
Speaker 3: You know, you weren't going at seven and nine times.
You know, it was more three or four those.
Speaker 2: A couple of games now maybe six seven completions. How
you think those ankles got so sturdy it was running
the option? I don't know. How do I get recruited? Uh?
Well you barely did.
Speaker 3: We found that out when we had jimbo On duly
said your ankles were not recruitable. All right, let's go
to the phone lines now. Our guy Chris low On
three joins us. See Low, what's going on?
Speaker 9: Brother? How we doing doing great?
Speaker 8: Jacob?
Speaker 9: Good to do with you guys here on the bye
you you guys look for a head football coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that we do for sure, se Low and Hey,
one of the things that I want to ask you
about is the timing of everything now compared to what
it used to be. And we were talking about it earlier,
you know. Coach O got hired at the end of November.
Brian Kelly got hired at the end of November because
it was a fourteen playoff for BK and even though
they still had a chance at getting into the fourteen playoff,
he decides to take the LSU job. Well, now with
the twelve team playoff, and every candidate that we talk
about with LSU, for the most part is somebody that
still has a chance at the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: What does a timing look like now, because we know
like early signing day's December the third.
Speaker 2: Now the transfer portal windows not till January.
Speaker 3: Now that got pushed back, but it's early January, Jared,
I believe January the second is when that starts. And
so seelow, do you think that LSU will wait for
the right guy, even though it's not a guarantee if
you wait for said right guy.
Speaker 9: I've asked that same question to people near all these
situations and they all have told me the same thing
that if it's the right guy, the guy they absolutely
won't that absolutely because they're not going to let the
fact that the season gets pushed or has been pushed
back keep them from hiring the coach that they all want.
And of course, the game everyone's talking about Flint Kiffin,
I understand that's been you know, batting about the well,
what if ole miss makes a deep front to playoff,
which they could, I mean, the first game is what
the nineteenth of December. So let's say they win that
or even gonna buy and don't play until January. I
still later that year, I guess later in the year,
right before New Year's I don't think that will be
a deal breaker. Would it make it more difficult? Yeah,
But I don't think a school in this case LSU
or flour for that matter, are going to sacrifice the
guy that they want and the guy they feel like
they can get. The guy that they feel like is
the difference maker, because I think we have it's been
proven at LSU and other schools. If you get the
right guy, then you're gonna win a high level. Certainly
at LSU. Kelly's three possessors all won national championships at
Florida or amer One national title sees Fur won a
national title. Look at your old coach, Nick Saban did
at LSU. I mean people forget Jake. LSU had lost,
had had nine loves in season eleven years before Nick
got yeah, uh and he wins one in oh three.
Look at what Alabama was that said the fire. So
I think there's too many examples out there, even though
we're a different time with the season being extended. If
a school gets the right coach, it makes all the
difference in the world.
Speaker 4: Chris, does it become a waiting like you're saying, like
if a team has their guy pinpointed and they think
they have a good opportunity to get I'm like, time
is not really the issue. They will wait for that
right guy because, like you said, if you get the
right guy, anything can happen.
Speaker 2: We see what happens.
Speaker 4: But I'm looking at the landscape and I'm looking at
all of college football. I'm looking at the coaching openings
right now. There are a lot of blue blood that
are going to be looking for coaches, and there's only
so many of those people that has ended up on
the top of everybody's list.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin is the hot name that everybody's talking about,
but he's also being talked about for the Florida job,
for the Penn State job, for every job. And there's
going to be more big time schools that come open.
So at some point, if you're an LSU, if you're
a Florida, if you're at Penn State, are you looking
at all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: There's two guys that we really want that we would
wait until mid January for but there's five positions, five teams,
including the team that he's currently at that we think
that he may or may not go to.
Speaker 2: So how confident?
Speaker 4: How many like back channel conversations can you have that
would make an LSU or Florida comfortable waiting that long
with so many good job openings open.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no way a school considers in on one
just one guy first of all, but they will stir
in on their guy and have those backchannel conversations. All
these coaches have agents, not the same agent, so yeah,
I mean their conversations being hell and you know James
excuse me not James Franklin and Marcus Freeman is another
guy a lot of schools would love to have. And
I know there's been reports out because he's not going
here and going there, But she still kicked the tires
with guys like that. You just do Are people kicking
the tires with a cannon de boar out West? Hey?
Are you really happy they're in Alabama? So you know
it's Penn State doing that, So I guarantee you there
and not just with Lane Kiffin. There are those conversations
because that's why you hire an agent, right, you coach
a football team, you know, And Lane has told me, hey,
I didn't you know, I didn't handled the last time
real well, you know when when Auburn came after him
betweenty twenty two. I think he's learned from that. I
think everyone has learned from that, you know, around him.
So I don't think it's a deal breaker. Does it
make it harder? Does it make a school be a
little bit more creative and make sure you've got a
a couple of guys that you all like that. Everybody
makes these life Absolutely, But we've seen coordinators do it now,
granted in a fourteen playoff for man. Kirby Smart did
it when he was Alabama and went to Georgia. Dan
Landing did it when he was at Georgia and went
to Oregon. Again, coordinators and the head coaches you know
at the time is a little bit different animal, but
it is. It is at least similar, And I have
no doubt that. Let's say it is Lane Kiffin at
LSU or Florida or wherever. But I'm telling you, guys,
you're right, they're gonna be other open. We're not done.
I think Florida State absolutely could open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: And I got a little secret for you. And Lane
Kiffin was majorly in play there at Florida State two
years ago when it looked like Norville might go to Alabama.
You know, so there's gonna be other you know, does
Auburn open And again I'm not suggesting that Lang was
at Alburn, but you guys know that these other jibs
start opening that there's even more with dollin all effect,
and then everyone starts trying to race to meet the
other one to get their guy. Guys, I don't is
there enough coaches out there who truly qualify and established
to fill all these jobs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm with you. I'm with you too.
Speaker 3: And and also like not only that ce Low and
again I agree, but it's like for LSU, it's like, Okay,
well you need something different than what you just had
for Penn State. You need something different like Flora. You
know how that goes? Like for Florida, they're probably not
looking at John Sumral from Tulane because they just hired
a coach out of the Sunbelt billion apier and it
didn't work well. So their fan base doesn't want to
hear another group of six coach even though John Sumral
is a really good football coach for LSU, like, don't
talk about James Franklin because they feel like they just
had a version of James Franklin. Probably the same thing
for Penn State and Brian Kelly's name got brought out there.
So not only is it the pool going to be small,
there's also different filters based off the job.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think again, let's just choose Florida and
l s U. Now there are different schools, and I'm
not saying they're the same, but they're both a SEC schools.
They both have unbelievably fertile recruiting grounds in their states.
So if you're l s U right now, or if
you're Florida, I think you want guys that will fit,
Guys that understand the conference, guys who are coaching the conference,
Guys that are recruiting the conference. Guys that will galvanize
the money people. Jake were The two of us have
talked about this that when ex coach comes in, whether
it's Jacob Pastor or Chris lower Lane Kiffin, that they're
going to get the money people there exciting enough that
they're going to invest. I got a piece coming out
later there on three. And by the way, Jacob, you
are prominently featured in this piece. And I talked to
your former coach, Nick Saban about this and it was
really interesting what he had to say about what makes
a good job now. But I think those are the
things that those two schools in particular, when you come in,
you know, do the guys who have money, because let's
be honest that Flora and LSU and DAMA and Texas,
all of those schools have guys boosters who have tons
of money. But the question is how many of those
can you get to pulling up a kind of money's
going to take now to build rosters, right, And I
think that's that is the No. Number one thing in schools,
evaluate cans. Who can we get in here that's gonna
truly help galvanize our money people, get them together, earn
the kind of trust and confidence that we're going to
be able to give them the kind of money to
build this roster. I mean LSU was a little bit
late to the party. They spend a ton of money
on this roster, which, yeah, heads crashing and they're not better.
I guess around eighteen millions. But I think that's that's
that's the waters you got to be swimming in, whether
it's Florida, LSU, or anywhere.
Speaker 4: Chris, I don't think there's ever been a more challenging
time in college football history to be a head coach
or to be a coach, just because of the nil
and having to navigate a brand new world and brand
new landscape, and having to constantly recruit guys that are
still on the roster and navigate you know, salaries and
paying players and everything like that. But with the emergence
of a twelve team playoff, the expectations certainly have skyrocket,
and I think that's probably one of the big reasons
we're seeing so many coaching turnovers mid season is because, well,
you know, with the four team playoff, that was one thing.
It's like, all right, that's the top four. It's fine,
we're close to that. We're not there yet, It's understandable.
But with a twelve team playoff, it seems like every
team that has a chance feels like they should be
making the playoffs. So they have this definitive line that says,
twelve team playoff it should be. I mean, it's a
lot harder than you think, but it should be you know,
a lot easier to make that playoff.
Speaker 2: So it's either playoff or bust.
Speaker 4: And when you get eliminated or mathematically eliminated from that opportunity,
I think the fan base becomes a little restless. Have
you ever do you think that is playing a big
part in a lot of these coaches being that we
didn't think getting turned over turnover?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I think it's everything is geared down towards
the playoffs that if you don't make the playoffs, it's
been a bad season. And you know, you know, eight
years ago, ten years ago you had four making it,
and you know, making it New Year six Bowl was
a big deal. It's it's going to a bowl game.
Now it's not a big deal, certainly with the kind
of money as you point out, that's being spent on rosters,
on coaches, and when you know, people whether are wealthy,
don't typically in my experience, spend money nless. They thinks
there's going to be a return on their investment, and
there's certainly not going to keep doing it if there's
no return. And I think the people now that are
funding on all these flectors feel like right or wrong
that they have or should have more of a say,
and there's going to be more pressure from that on coaches.
I think that's sort of what you're saying, that, hey,
we got to get this done quick, we got to
flip this thing quick. And I think for a guy
like Brian Kelly, the problem was that you saw. There's
other examples of that. You know, Kirby Smart in his
second year at Georgia had Georgia in the national championship team.
Josh Heifel in his second year it was his second
year at Tennessee or third year, had Tennessee the playoff.
So here recently, Blayne had over that's the game away
from the playoff last year. He's won ten games a
bunch of years, so you know, he's slipped it pretty quickly.
And I think that's with the money again it's being
doled out. There is that pressure. I think that it's
probably greater than we've ever seen it before, which is
why ads get squirrely. Money people get squirrely. They put
pressure on a D and then we've sort of seen
then the A D maybe is not as front and
center and making something he's high. I mean, look at
what is happened in Virginia tide. I don't know how
much badcock you know, is involved. People are bringing it
in general manners to make I mean, how much well
scott Wood would be involved in this higher Uh. There's
a lot of those questions, and I think all that is, yes,
a by product of certainly how we've seen the landscape
chams with some of the money that's being paid out.
And then I world, all.
Speaker 3: Right, there is I got Chris Low on three, senior
college football reporter.
Speaker 2: See Low. We appreciate the time as always, sir.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Hey Jake, what would you and now have been
when you got to l SU? It's been an il
out the street? Much would you a pocket?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Maybe when I got here not a lot, But when
I left I think I would have done pretty well.
Speaker 2: Seelough, all right, good answer. No, we appreciated Chris.
Speaker 9: All right, see you guys, take care.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break, wrap up our number
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