Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm going Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: I'll thank you for re introducing me to the audience. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm Morgan White Junior. Been a part of the BZ
Speaker 2: landscape roughly since nineteen ninety five ninety six. I'm here
Speaker 2: tonight and I'll be here throughout the week into next
Speaker 2: week filling in for Dan Ray. My guest tonight is
Speaker 2: Jimmy Myers, and Jimmy, you touched upon it or caller
Speaker 2: brought it up last hour Game five Boston Garden triple overtime, the.
Speaker 1: Legendary game nineteen six.
Speaker 2: There were seventy six my mistake, there were two seconds
Speaker 2: left on the clock, and for whatever reason, everybody thought
Speaker 2: the game was over. The referee called both teams back
Speaker 2: on the court because those two seconds had to be
Speaker 2: accounted for and played out, and fans, a couple of fans,
Speaker 2: rowdy fans, attacked the referee for bringing that to everybody's attention,
Speaker 2: and you got directly involved when these fans were attempting
Speaker 2: to beat up the referee. You tried to pull the
Speaker 2: referee out of being punched and kicked, and then security
Speaker 2: got involved, and we all know how that ended. But
Speaker 2: you physically had to risk your well being to save
Speaker 2: an NBA referee. And that gets me to talking about
Speaker 2: fan violence. And that was way back seventy six, So
Speaker 2: many decades later, and we see it happening a lot
Speaker 2: of times after your team has won the championship, has
Speaker 2: won the Stanley Cup, has won the Super Bowl, whatever,
Speaker 2: And I want to talk about that. You and I
Speaker 2: when we first arranged you coming on tonight, I brought
Speaker 2: this subject up to chat with you about it, and
Speaker 2: I forgot that you were directly involved in a fan
Speaker 2: violence melee and what can we do.
Speaker 3: To stop it?
Speaker 2: Look back at two years ago with Kansas City, that
Speaker 2: community was destroyed, millions of dollars of damage by happy fans.
Speaker 3: They won, they won.
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl, yet instill their fans went crazy.
Speaker 1: Morgan, it goes back further than it goes back to
Speaker 1: the eighty seventies. I've watched this phenomena to a degree,
Speaker 1: this aberin behavior situation get so totally out of control
Speaker 1: that it's frightening to even think about taking a young
Speaker 1: person to a parade or something like that. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: Boston Marathon situation always stays in my head when these
Speaker 1: terrorsts set off a bomb that wound up injuring and
Speaker 1: maiming people and so forth. But to a degree on
Speaker 1: the same level, I saw the city of Detroit just
Speaker 1: about destroyed in nineteen sixty eight when the Tigers wound
Speaker 1: up winning the World Series. Thank goodness they had won.
Speaker 1: If they had lost, there's no telling what would have happened.
Speaker 1: And I've seen so many other cities that wind up being,
Speaker 1: you know, being the victims of millions of dollars of
Speaker 1: taxpayers money that has to be used to repair the city.
Speaker 1: I remember in sixty seven when the Red Sox won,
Speaker 1: I remember how the fans had stormed the field. Now,
Speaker 1: remember it had been twenty let me see, forty forty
Speaker 1: six to sixty seven, twenty one years since the Red
Speaker 1: Sox had even sniffed basically being in a World Series.
Speaker 1: They got there in forty eight in the playoff, but
Speaker 1: lost to Cleveland. But going back to that time, I
Speaker 1: remember watching on TV and seeing the fans just storming
Speaker 1: the field. When Lonboard got the last out. People were
Speaker 1: running all over the place, grabbing players. They tried to
Speaker 1: rip Lonboard's jersey off. Yeah, yep, well it's uniform. But
Speaker 1: I go back to nineteen sixty five, three years before,
Speaker 1: when John Hailchak stole the ball and Habilcheck could barely
Speaker 1: get off of that court. I mean they pulled the
Speaker 1: stirrups on his jersey so hard they left deep welts
Speaker 1: in his shoulders, both shoulders, and they had to fight
Speaker 1: to get off the floor. I remember, I remember so
Speaker 1: many of these situations. They become They become nauseating to
Speaker 1: me for one reason because I spoke to a couple
Speaker 1: of psychiatrists o years and a couple of sociologists, and
Speaker 1: they all come up with the same thing. This is
Speaker 1: that release point that people who are normally not that
Speaker 1: level in thinking anyway get a chance to get off.
Speaker 1: They get a chance to say I can go out
Speaker 1: now and do something in the midst of a celebration
Speaker 1: that nobody's going to say anything about. Think about this, Morgan,
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Now, I'll give you a couple
Speaker 1: of dates going back. Let's just go back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and four. A girl was killed that night in
Speaker 1: the midst of the Red Sox celebration, lost their life. Dumb,
Speaker 1: dumb bol To. Something hit her. But if please're trying
Speaker 1: to quell a riot, And I'm just saying that these
Speaker 1: things they're so badly out of proportion. Now it makes
Speaker 1: every single mayor of every single city, every governor of
Speaker 1: every single state copprehensive in regards to how much security
Speaker 1: can we actually get to make this thing fairly safe.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm told the Celtics parade this year was pretty pretty respectable.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a few arrests at the arrests
Speaker 1: as usual, but I'm not talking about the type of
Speaker 1: out and out violence that was in Kansas City a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. That was like over the top.
Speaker 1: And I think all the time, I say to myself,
Speaker 1: what compels someone to do something like this? When the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies won in nineteen eighty, Philly's hadn't won, Phillies
Speaker 1: hadn't won in years. Leeve me, I'm from Philly, I know.
Speaker 1: And I talked to my sisters, my brothers, and I
Speaker 1: asked him. I told him, I said, please just in
Speaker 1: me your favorites. If you're going to the parade, please
Speaker 1: be careful because those people are going to be drunk.
Speaker 1: That's another reason a lot of these, a lot of
Speaker 1: this has to do with alcohol. Lot these and people
Speaker 1: think that now I can drink. Now I can do this,
Speaker 1: and now I can pour champagne all over year, all
Speaker 1: over my head. Most of them can't afford champagne, so
Speaker 1: they're going to pour a cheap beer over their head
Speaker 1: and if enough of it gets down, if enough of
Speaker 1: it gets down into their stomach, then they're truly intoxicated.
Speaker 1: But I remember the Philly celebration, and then I remember
Speaker 1: when Julius Irving's team won in eighty three, and I
Speaker 1: remember they had these ceremony. First they brought the team
Speaker 1: the big parade to right the to the field they
Speaker 1: used the I believe the Phillies Baseball field, and then
Speaker 1: they went inside. But I've seen this too many times, Morgan,
Speaker 1: and there have been deaths that had been associated to this.
Speaker 1: I remember during the Lakers, during the Lakers' House in
Speaker 1: years in the eighties, they had all kinds of security
Speaker 1: all through the parade route, all away, all the beginning
Speaker 1: through and at the end of the parade booth. But
Speaker 1: you just can't control that many people. And then of course,
Speaker 1: you know, the governors got together across the United States
Speaker 1: and the mayors and they said, maybe we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: these things. Well, this is a release to a lot
Speaker 1: of fans that the good fans are not going to
Speaker 1: act like that. They're not going to go out there
Speaker 1: and do crazy stuff. They're just going to cheer their
Speaker 1: team on Bravo as they ride by or whatever, cheers
Speaker 1: and so forth. Yet at the same time, you still
Speaker 1: gotta worry. I even fired off a missus to Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes because when that first one, not last year, the
Speaker 1: one before, he was pouring beer on himself, pouring beer
Speaker 1: into the stands. And I've known Patrick since he was
Speaker 1: a little boy. I've known his father. His father, Pat
Speaker 1: Mahome's senior pictures fout the eleven Major League teams. So
Speaker 1: I saw Patrick when he was a child basically, and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I know a lot has changed,
Speaker 1: but you're a role model. You got to understand what
Speaker 1: you're doing. He's talking out cans of beer into the stands,
Speaker 1: you know, the full gans like Corys beer, whatever I
Speaker 1: can of beer. I said, if you throw that thing
Speaker 1: and it hits somebody in the eye or something, they
Speaker 1: can lose an eye. Now, if you also, let's go
Speaker 1: back a couple of years ago. Let's go let's go
Speaker 1: back to the website celebration of two thousand and four
Speaker 1: wasn't If I'm right, Coorra's Doorna was injured in that.
Speaker 1: The manager's door was injured. You are right, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was injured in that. So I constantly see this, and
Speaker 1: I asked myself, you know what I'm watching is out
Speaker 1: here we go again, and I just hold my breath
Speaker 1: and say, please, let these people get home, Let the
Speaker 1: cops be able to do what they need to do.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I've seen the burning cars, I've seen
Speaker 1: all the damage done. And then you go down to
Speaker 1: you walk through that battle zone and next day and
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, this was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: happy occasion. This was supposed to be a celebration.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, let me stop you here. We'll pick this point
Speaker 2: up right after we take a break. Anyone else, if
Speaker 2: you want to call in, fine, If you want to
Speaker 2: just sit back and listen, that's fine too. Seven two, five, four, ten,
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Speaker 2: sixteen twenty seven degrees.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Sight Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you tomorrow night, Christmas evening, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be doing Christmas trivia for the first couple of hours,
Speaker 2: and Donna help Her is going to be in at
Speaker 2: ten and she and I will be doing some reminiscing
Speaker 2: about holiday specials. And on Tuesday, next Tuesday, I will
Speaker 2: not be at the Midway restaurant. That's New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2: I will not be there, but I will be there
Speaker 2: the following Tuesday. I do believe that's the seventh of January. Now,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Myers and I are here, we're talking about fan violence.
Speaker 2: Let me give you an example. Your mom and or dad,
Speaker 2: you're both, You're one or the other, doesn't matter. And
Speaker 2: you've taken your kids to go see the Patriots, the Celtics,
Speaker 2: the Bruins, the Red Sox, and it's just an everyday game.
Speaker 2: It's another game on the schedule. And i'll say Red
Speaker 2: Sox for this example. You hear some leather lunged, loud
Speaker 2: mouth yelling ob seeing things about what he sees in
Speaker 2: the field good to bad Yankees or Red Sox, and
Speaker 2: you wish an usher would come and make this person
Speaker 2: behave because you don't want this embarrassing behavior in front
Speaker 2: of your kids. Now, multiply that to you're on the
Speaker 2: parade route, you're in front of City Hall where the
Speaker 2: duckboats and the caravan of cars with all the players
Speaker 2: are on it, and the crowd is just unruly, and
Speaker 2: you fear for the safety, not of you, of your children.
Speaker 2: That is just a reality that happens. This is not
Speaker 2: a Twilight Zone imaginary episode.
Speaker 3: This is reality.
Speaker 2: Whether it's in Boston or Detroit, or Philly or Kansas City.
Speaker 2: When your team wins the championship or they lose the championship,
Speaker 2: mob mentality takes over, and we've got to be able
Speaker 2: to stop at Jimmy.
Speaker 1: More than as I mentioned before, I've spoken with very
Speaker 1: professional people in this business, a psychiatrist, psychologists, sociologists, and
Speaker 1: particularly I've spoken to a lot of security people, police, FBI,
Speaker 1: so forth. And it's a dilemma of something that we're
Speaker 1: going through now that we may not go out of
Speaker 1: for a while. The frightening part for me in this
Speaker 1: is the fact that I always ask myself when I'm
Speaker 1: watching a parade or something, please don't let anybody get killed.
Speaker 1: Please let these people get home safely. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know they're going to be arrested. There always are some
Speaker 1: people are going to be spending night in jail and
Speaker 1: going to court the next day and getting a police
Speaker 1: record for something that they should not be getting a
Speaker 1: police record for. They should not be having to deal
Speaker 1: with the court system the way we have to. But
Speaker 1: this is our way of life. I mean, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember at the times of some of the big
Speaker 1: parades when the Yankees won in the sixties. That's what
Speaker 1: I really picked up sports. Yankees was the dominant team.
Speaker 1: Remember the year that Dodger beat the Yankees in sixty three.
Speaker 1: They swept them at Sandy Kopax, who was from Brooklyn. Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, he put a beat down on them
Speaker 1: like you would not believe. He took out twenty five
Speaker 1: batteries and two which game one. In Game four, they
Speaker 1: swept them, And I remember the parade in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: afterwards pretty orderly. Nobody was tearing up anything. They were happy.
Speaker 1: That was sixty three. Then you come back to eighty
Speaker 1: when Magic Johnson's team won. Go up seventeen years and
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things had changed since that time.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the sixty seven Red Sox mainly because the
Speaker 1: city was you know this is they have a piece
Speaker 1: on right now on your sports channel. It's called The
Speaker 1: Impossible Dream Year sixty seven. You should really watch it.
Speaker 1: I mean everybody in this town should watch it. Remember
Speaker 1: this team are not won during the Ted Williams era.
Speaker 1: Basically he was in the forty six World Series and
Speaker 1: only hit like one. Twenty five Cardinals beat him, didn't
Speaker 1: And from then up to sixty seven basically nothing. And
Speaker 1: then Yas takes this town on this magical ride. I
Speaker 1: mean one of the Triple Crown great pitcher, I mean,
Speaker 1: great great hitter, Jim Lonboard, pitched his butt off coming
Speaker 1: down the stretch they went on the last day. The
Speaker 1: fans were on the field, but I didn't see that
Speaker 1: kind of violence. Now, there was a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of craziness out there. Then I
Speaker 1: spin up to when I become a reporter and I
Speaker 1: start covering some of these events, and I was there.
Speaker 1: I was there when Chris Shamblers hit the home run
Speaker 1: in Yankee Stadium that won, that won the World the
Speaker 1: won the Pennant America Lick Pennant against Kansas City and
Speaker 1: Richard Chase was my cinematographer at WBZ at the time,
Speaker 1: and I remember Richard when when Chris Shamblers hit the ball,
Speaker 1: we both looked. I looked at Richard. We got to
Speaker 1: get on the field, We got to get out there.
Speaker 1: He says, take the microphone. I'm going to hold you
Speaker 1: to my back. But going out in the middle of this, Morgan,
Speaker 1: it was like the most chaotic scene I have ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life up to that point. Now, I
Speaker 1: remember when fifth get the home run the year before,
Speaker 1: in seventy five. I was there a filmy bar. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean they played they played the Hallelujah Chorus or whatever.
Speaker 1: That night. People were going nuts. But the Red Sox
Speaker 1: didn't wind up winning. The Yankees won to get into
Speaker 1: the World Series in seventy six, did wound up getting
Speaker 1: swept by Cincinnati because Cincinnati beating the Red Sox in
Speaker 1: seventy five and came back and swept the Yankees. And said,
Speaker 1: but this night, Chris Shambles is home run. I remember
Speaker 1: the damage that was done to that field. Now Shambles
Speaker 1: is trying to run around the basis. This is a
Speaker 1: true story, Morgan. Chris Shamers can tell you this to
Speaker 1: this day because I was there. Richard Chase and I
Speaker 1: right out on the field was shooting. Richard Chase is
Speaker 1: sixty six, so he's shooting down to the crowd. I'm
Speaker 1: owning the microphone for sound, for natural sounds, because they're
Speaker 1: doing films, and people were ripping up grass off the
Speaker 1: field and stuffing it in their mouths, in their pockets
Speaker 1: and there, you know, in their paths whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at all these people going nuts. Now I know
Speaker 1: the Yankees had not one since it sends start. Let
Speaker 1: me see, when was the last time. I'm in the
Speaker 1: series sixty four and they lost to the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: twelve years of gone by. Young were used to losing
Speaker 1: back to winning back in the thirty forties and fifties
Speaker 1: just about every other year whatever. So I'm watching shambles
Speaker 1: run around the basis. By the time he got the
Speaker 1: second he was mobed, Morgan. I mean, it was like
Speaker 1: a sea of humanity just fucked this man up. And
Speaker 1: he was pushing and shoving. They were ripping his jersey off.
Speaker 1: I saw scratches on him where people had torn his skin.
Speaker 1: He got to third base, Morgan, We got the third base,
Speaker 1: and he was smart. Chase and I were Richard Chase
Speaker 1: and Ire on the mound. By this time, he ran
Speaker 1: into the dugout, down the steps and into the locker room,
Speaker 1: up the tunnel into the Yankees' locker room. Now the
Speaker 1: Yankees are on the first base side. This is the
Speaker 1: thirsd base dugout. He ran into the visitor's dugout just
Speaker 1: to get away from the cloud. Now by this time,
Speaker 1: everything is a madhouse, Morgan. It's just getting more and
Speaker 1: more intense. It's just getting wild, right, So we start
Speaker 1: backing up into the Yankees dugout, and I'm standing there
Speaker 1: and I see this little black man sitting on the
Speaker 1: Yankees bench, and I knew who he was. And the
Speaker 1: cops started swinging billy clubs, knocking people down, blood slime
Speaker 1: all over the place, and they went after this man.
Speaker 1: Dance says, you're listening to this. I saw this with
Speaker 1: my own two eyes. Richard Chase saw this with his
Speaker 1: own two eyes. And they started approaching this little man,
Speaker 1: and I ran over and dove in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: I said, don't touch him. This is Willie Randolph's father,
Speaker 1: Willy randalls the second basement for the Yankees, right Willie Randolph.
Speaker 1: Willy Randolph came out of the dugout and just his
Speaker 1: shirt in his tants. I mean it's a T shirt
Speaker 1: and pants, grabbed me and his father and started pulling
Speaker 1: his father comfortably to beat his father into the ground.
Speaker 1: They thought it had stolen Willy Randall's glove. Willie Randall
Speaker 1: had tossed it to his father in the midst of
Speaker 1: the celebration. These stories that I remember for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. But I remember the chaos that caused
Speaker 1: the cops to come down into the dugout and get
Speaker 1: ready to hit this older gentleman. Miss Randall's one the
Speaker 1: nicest people in the world. Willie Randolman could still tell
Speaker 1: you the story to this day. So he said, you
Speaker 1: know you helped save my father. I said no, I
Speaker 1: just happened to be there. But I kne who your
Speaker 1: father was, which was much more important because they were
Speaker 1: beating up everybody with your chase had a camera, so
Speaker 1: they weren't going to hit him. Plus he was sixty six.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Mius was Jimmy MIAs said, the cord wrapped around
Speaker 1: him like a little baby. I was at taxed to
Speaker 1: his back, so they weren't going to hit me because
Speaker 1: I got the microphone in my hand. But they were
Speaker 1: going after this little old guy, and he just said,
Speaker 1: and Willie ran off and grabbed him from the from
Speaker 1: the lower seats and pulled him into the dugout wallast
Speaker 1: was going on. But this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: I'm telling about. When stuff like this happens, things get
Speaker 1: out of control, and they get out of control fast,
Speaker 1: and before you know it, somebody's laying on the ground,
Speaker 1: either seriously injured or in the case of the young
Speaker 1: lady at the at the at the Red Sox celebration dead.
Speaker 1: I mean, that takes everything away from any type of celebration.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure their parents settled some kind
Speaker 1: of lawsuit. It's not gonna bring their child back. Five
Speaker 1: million dollars tens. That's not going to bring your loved
Speaker 1: one back. And all this person did was went to
Speaker 1: the game and to celebrate when they want, that's all.
Speaker 1: And they were in Saint Louis when they won, so
Speaker 1: I think this was going on during that time everybody
Speaker 1: went to Famiway Park or whatever. I'm just saying, this
Speaker 1: is so crazy, Morgan, and it's just too hard to
Speaker 1: try to break down to people to make them understand. One,
Speaker 1: I don't drink them, so maybe that pushes me to
Speaker 1: a different level. I've never been a drinker. I won't
Speaker 1: become a drinker now because I'm diabetics and there's no
Speaker 1: way I'm going to put alcohol in my body. But
Speaker 1: I would tell anyone who drinks, if you really want
Speaker 1: to go to these things, you really want to appreciate
Speaker 1: what this moment is about, go sober, drink afterwards, Go
Speaker 1: home and drink afterwards. You don't have to drink before
Speaker 1: you get there. Yeah, but no, you don't have to
Speaker 1: drink before you get there. Drink while you're there, and
Speaker 1: then drink as the cloud is dispersing. And then I
Speaker 1: also know, I also know from clear experience that alcohol
Speaker 1: looses loosens inhibitions in certain people, sometimes the wrong things,
Speaker 1: a lot of times the wrong things. But I'm saying, Morgan, Morgan.
Speaker 1: But when you're a victim of it, it's different. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I've heard the N words flattered when people
Speaker 1: get drunk or whatever, and I say to myself, they
Speaker 1: would never say that if they were sober, They would
Speaker 1: never act like that if they were sober. But now
Speaker 1: they're in a free flow situation. We can say anything
Speaker 1: we want, we can do anything we want. No life
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. I looked at the Dodgers parade
Speaker 1: this year. Well I looked at the Dodgers parade this year,
Speaker 1: and they had so much security on that parade route.
Speaker 1: It was incredible. And go back to the days when
Speaker 1: they used to go back to the Giants winning the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the Yankees winning during those years, Jeter's years,
Speaker 1: and the two Super Bowls, even Lauren Taylor Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That parade down to Canyatar Heroes is one of the
Speaker 1: most dynamic things you'd ever want to see. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: if you don't have to be a New York fan
Speaker 1: to understand the magnitude of how they get two to
Speaker 1: three million people in that one confined area and cops
Speaker 1: are all over the place. I really ever heard any
Speaker 1: real bad things. I'm sure there are. I'm sure there are,
Speaker 1: but they do a pretty damn good job of doing
Speaker 1: that one. And when the WNBA women won this year,
Speaker 1: when the Liberty won, their parade was pretty pretty tame
Speaker 1: too considering. And I think they had two million at
Speaker 1: that parade because that's the first time the Liberty they
Speaker 1: ever won a Titland the twenty eight years of the WNBA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big deal.
Speaker 2: Let me take my break here and when we come back,
Speaker 2: we have a call from Popkinton who wants to join us.
Speaker 2: So time and temperature on night side eleven thirty one,
Speaker 2: twenty seven degrees.
Speaker 1: On night side on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Dan is off tonight. He's off until the first of January.
Speaker 2: That's a week from today, next Wednesday. My name Morgan
Speaker 2: White Junior. I'll be here through all the night sides
Speaker 2: between now and then. I've got Jimmy myern S here
Speaker 2: it with me and we're going to take a phone
Speaker 2: call from Hopkinton. Bob, I thank you for holding for
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Welcome.
Speaker 4: Oh you're no problem, no problem. Okay, Well, thank you
Speaker 4: very much for taking my call. And I wish you
Speaker 4: Morgan and you, guess Jim a very merry Christmas, Happy
Speaker 4: Honkah and happy Cornsa from Hopkins in Okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you and your family, well.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I you know, some of the topics
Speaker 4: you were talking about reminded me of a couple of
Speaker 4: things myself. I grew up in Boston, and of course
Speaker 4: the horrific bombing at the Peloponi, which starts here and absent.
Speaker 4: She kind of hit us all pretty hard. And and
Speaker 4: you know, there's a couple of things I want to
Speaker 4: call me in doing that. But before I do that,
Speaker 4: you mentioned somebody that was shot by the police with
Speaker 4: basically a bean bag shotgun. Let's just supposed to something
Speaker 4: like that. Ye, and her name was was Vicky snow Grove.
Speaker 4: And you know, this is the thing that bothers me
Speaker 4: is we don't remember these people that are innocent victims,
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm glad you mentioned that that woman,
Speaker 4: and God rest her soul. She's a young girl, very young,
Speaker 4: very young girl.
Speaker 1: You know. You know, that's terrific. And I think about
Speaker 1: I think about I think right now as you're talking,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about everyone who is who loses a family member.
Speaker 1: This time of the year is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most difficult. Well, Thanksgiving, Christmas and so forth. These holidays
Speaker 1: we have more suicides, we have more situations where people
Speaker 1: are just you know, so torn with grief from loss.
Speaker 1: And that was the senseless loss. But go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Well I was going to say, you know, God bless
Speaker 4: you because that's profound. You mentioned that. Because my mother
Speaker 4: died many many years ago and she died on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's kind of sad, but you got to
Speaker 4: look at it like, you know, for a Christian to
Speaker 4: die on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, that's a good
Speaker 4: day for the person to go to heaven, Heather than
Speaker 4: maybe Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that. I believe that, I believe
Speaker 1: you died in that day. You definitely should be granted
Speaker 1: to go to Heaven. I hope so.
Speaker 4: But the other thing I wanted to mention too is,
Speaker 4: you know, these these things they're hard to control because
Speaker 4: even with a large police presence or even the National Guide,
Speaker 4: and sometimes we have a lot of back up here
Speaker 4: in Hopington because everybody starts from Marathon, the hundreds and
Speaker 4: hundreds of people all at once, so we have a
Speaker 4: lot of especially after nine to eleven, and it's hard
Speaker 4: to really controlled. And sometimes, like you folks were mentioning
Speaker 4: on the program tonight, the more psychology sometimes spreads to
Speaker 4: the police, and the law enforcement at least got going on.
Speaker 4: It's crazy like they were going to attract the poor
Speaker 4: black man who is the father of a baseball player
Speaker 4: and he's trying to beat him up, you know, and
Speaker 4: and I think that, you know, it's sad to say,
Speaker 4: you know, you hate to put axample on people celebrating,
Speaker 4: but they might be better off to maybe not even
Speaker 4: have these celebrations. I hate to say that, but I
Speaker 4: think that might be.
Speaker 1: Owned So all right, I don't I think I think
Speaker 1: you make a very good point there. They we are
Speaker 1: reaching a point where governmental where governments, particularly your your
Speaker 1: state government and your city government, are really thinking about
Speaker 1: canceling these things when they can. But it's just it
Speaker 1: becomes too overwhelming when when you have this many people,
Speaker 1: millions of people want to celebrate. The Celtics had not
Speaker 1: won a title since Paul Pierce's team back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, so basically this was the time for
Speaker 1: everybody to be celebrating. You know, they had lost the
Speaker 1: Golden State in twenty twenty two, and everybody thought that
Speaker 1: might have been the time. But my whole thing is
Speaker 1: that what compels someone in their mind to lose that
Speaker 1: sanity section of their mind in the midst of a celebration.
Speaker 1: That's not what this was supposed to be about. And
Speaker 1: I think that's I don't say it's a mental defect
Speaker 1: in everybody that does this. I'm just saying that the inhibitors,
Speaker 1: the inhibitors in your mind, they just lose. You just lose.
Speaker 1: They just lose themselves. And you say we can do
Speaker 1: anything we want to do. No, you can't.
Speaker 3: Now you can't, Bob, thank you for the call.
Speaker 4: Okay and everything real quick, go ahead, okay, real quick.
Speaker 4: Because when I was in high school, we had our
Speaker 4: football games over at Waite Stadium and I was at
Speaker 4: Boston Tech. We won the game against English. Now these
Speaker 4: attitudes and mentality they spread to the young people. So
Speaker 4: we won the game. My brother and I were walking
Speaker 4: home we lived in Jamaica, plane walking down to Eagleston Square,
Speaker 4: and five kids, five kids from English, jumped us because
Speaker 4: they lost the game and just kind of suggest kids, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a good example.
Speaker 1: This is what Thank you Morgan. This is what you
Speaker 1: would do. Is we were talking about when it started.
Speaker 1: Uh well, there was a rash of it this year
Speaker 1: at the rivalry games, you know, Alabama and Auburn and
Speaker 1: uh you know there were four incidents this year, four
Speaker 1: where players trying to take flags and plant them. The
Speaker 1: Michigan players trying to plant their flag in the middle
Speaker 1: of the o at Ohio State. That was the biggest
Speaker 1: one because it turned into a melee on the field.
Speaker 1: Police had to use pepper spray, They had to use
Speaker 1: mace to get some type of control of that crowd,
Speaker 1: and that crowd stormed to field so fast that the
Speaker 1: cops they couldn't control it. So by the time they
Speaker 1: started spraying, they said a couple one hundred people were
Speaker 1: sprayed with pepper spray. Anyone out there you're listening to me,
Speaker 1: if you ever get hit with pepper spray in your
Speaker 1: eyes or whatever, you could lose your sight. So you know,
Speaker 1: you better be thinking long and hard before you want
Speaker 1: to run out there on the field.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, I want to tell your story. I don't know
Speaker 2: which number Super Bowl it was, but it was a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl where the Patriots lost to the Giants.
Speaker 1: Going to be two thousand and seven or two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven if I'm right, one of those things.
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty eleven. I am in Las
Speaker 2: Vegas with my son, Yeah, okay, now Evan was twenty
Speaker 2: three years old. Then we got to see I was
Speaker 2: invited to a private party at Caesar's Palace by a
Speaker 2: private party. They just had one of their function rooms
Speaker 2: cordoned off. Yeah, there was buffet food and whatnot, but
Speaker 2: there were a couple thousand people in this room. You
Speaker 2: all know the outcome of that game. The Giants won
Speaker 2: the two minute warning. There were escalators up and down
Speaker 2: to the main floor. So two thousand people going down
Speaker 2: the escalator.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And we heard everything of nasty things about Tom Brady's mother,
Speaker 2: and you can well imagine all of the comments that
Speaker 2: were being made. Now, Evan is twenty three, and I said, Evan,
Speaker 2: I don't care what you think about this. Don't let
Speaker 2: hold my hand until we get to the people movers outside,
Speaker 2: because I did not know what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: I know, if you're in the middle, it's a frightening thought.
Speaker 2: I'm in my fifties at that time, and here I
Speaker 2: am holding my son's hand, who's the crown man.
Speaker 3: Grown man.
Speaker 2: But my parental instinct took over. I don't want anything
Speaker 2: to happen to my son.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything to happen to me either.
Speaker 1: But my son comes first, of course, And I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking that he's a father. Now think about he's the
Speaker 1: father of too. Yeah, there's no telling what could have
Speaker 1: happened in the midst of all that that was going on.
Speaker 1: I remember, more importantly, I think it was the two thousand.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Hold the story, eating hope or I know where you're going.
Speaker 2: Hold this story. Let me get the last breakout the
Speaker 2: way time of temperature on night Side eleven.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven degrees.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, I'm sorry I had to stop you, but you know,
Speaker 2: break up them, dam But you were about to tell
Speaker 2: me about the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I remember that, Yeah, I remember that, and I remember
Speaker 1: I remember the people, the shots of the people, the
Speaker 1: Patriot fans leaving the stadium that night. And I remember
Speaker 1: the Giants fans. They were they were beyond themselves, which
Speaker 1: they probably should have been, because it's still geting to one
Speaker 1: of the greatest victories in the history of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I also remember that parade to the Canyon of
Speaker 1: Heroes for the Giants that year. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: way over the top, Morgan. It was like became it
Speaker 1: became a little dangerous to me. And I watched it.
Speaker 1: I was watching the whole thing from the studio, and
Speaker 1: I said, are monitoring this? And I said, well, the
Speaker 1: cops over there, or they here, they wherever or wherever.
Speaker 1: But I remember that Pature's fans that night were so
Speaker 1: sad in regards to not completing the perfect season or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I spun back a couple of years before when
Speaker 1: the Red Sox won in two thousand and four and
Speaker 1: the Patriots won in two thousand and four. I remember
Speaker 1: both parades. Remember well, the death of the girl obviously
Speaker 1: was terrible, but I remember when the Patriots won that year,
Speaker 1: they would think of was the second of their back
Speaker 1: to back two thousand and four to us back to
Speaker 1: back Super Bowl in it. During that run, I remember
Speaker 1: that the security for that parade was so great. Now,
Speaker 1: this is when duck boats really started to become popular
Speaker 1: because of that time, they weren't using duck boats, but
Speaker 1: they started using them then. And I remember seeing the
Speaker 1: parades because I got to watch all this stuff. I
Speaker 1: got to cover it. And even this year's Dodgers parade
Speaker 1: had to cover. And I'll see the Super Bowl parade
Speaker 1: or whatever in Michigan, their parade when they won last year.
Speaker 1: It's just like I try to tell you, Morgan, it's
Speaker 1: it's a phenomenon now that to me, we may have
Speaker 1: outlived or we may have this, this celebration may become obsolete.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, it just.
Speaker 2: Might well at the risk of millions of dollars of
Speaker 2: damage to a community and potential lives hospitalized or lost,
Speaker 2: versus another way of doing it, where the cheering public
Speaker 2: doesn't get to go to a spot an area to
Speaker 2: say yay, our team one will.
Speaker 1: Be That's gonna be hard, Morgan, because even if you're
Speaker 1: headed the stadium, you still got to get the players there,
Speaker 1: you still have to get the fans there, and you're
Speaker 1: still going to need a heavy police presence to be
Speaker 1: able to control that. I'm compared. I'm not comparing New
Speaker 1: York to Boston because you can't. The New York has
Speaker 1: ten million people in that metropolitan area. It's even show
Speaker 1: up for an adventure.
Speaker 3: It's a different topography.
Speaker 1: But even if one million of those people show up,
Speaker 1: you have an overflow crowd. Like I said in Coming
Speaker 1: Down the Canyon of Heroes, there's never less than two thousand,
Speaker 1: two million people there. Two million people. That's that's too
Speaker 1: much to control. I mean, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: have the answer right now. But you know, I continually
Speaker 1: talk to people, say what can you do? You're cording
Speaker 1: off the streets, you do this, you do that, you
Speaker 1: do that, and then you're at the mercy of what
Speaker 1: you pray are the more sane people or the people
Speaker 1: who know how to control themselves and just cheer. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be up, you're being up in a building,
Speaker 1: throw confetti down on the on the on the parade
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I don't know about this one, Brodner,
Speaker 1: And this one, this one constantly baffles me. I sit
Speaker 1: back with this one sometimes in I say, where are
Speaker 1: we going with this? Where are we going?
Speaker 2: How did the Dodgers pull it off last fall? Because
Speaker 2: I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: Overly, Yeah, I'm telling you they have control. I'm saying
Speaker 1: some cities have done a better job than others. Remember,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers won, So there is a euphoria there. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a There is now a heavy Asian community or
Speaker 1: a heavy Asian population that attends the Dodgers game. Hispanics, Asians.
Speaker 1: They probably one of the most mixed crowds that you
Speaker 1: could ever ask for but it was a jubilant time.
Speaker 1: I remember they hadn't won since twenty twenty, so these
Speaker 1: people had a chance to, you know, ramp up for
Speaker 1: this and so forth. And I'll believe me, they didn't
Speaker 1: think they we want to beat the Yankees in five games.
Speaker 1: They we did not think that, So it was more
Speaker 1: less a shock factor. Plus there was also the aspect
Speaker 1: that was thrown into the mix, whereas even some of
Speaker 1: the newscasters talked about this parade is being dedicated to
Speaker 1: the memory of Fernando Valenzuela. We would like for this
Speaker 1: thing to be peaceful, and the people responded because remember
Speaker 1: his number was on the back of the mound for
Speaker 1: the first two games. His thirty four was at the back,
Speaker 1: was at the back of the mound, and they when
Speaker 1: they came back and they won it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: in La with the number there, everybody talked about Fernando then,
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know, you know, because I got
Speaker 1: a lot of friends in La. But I watched the
Speaker 1: whole parade. I didn't see any I didn't see too
Speaker 1: much craziness. I saw people that were under control, I
Speaker 1: say more than I saw Golden State's parades too. I
Speaker 1: saw the Warriors parades. They were all pretty pretty pretty
Speaker 1: much under control. I mean, Golden State in San Francisco
Speaker 1: was a mellow place, so most of those people were
Speaker 1: just happy. And remember once they won that first one
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, they lost sixteen and it
Speaker 1: won seventeen and eighteen. I mean, they were like, this
Speaker 1: is this is the thing that we do. Plus they
Speaker 1: hold it their meeting. I mean, the end of the
Speaker 1: parade is out there by the water, the bay, a
Speaker 1: part of the bay. That place is beautiful. I said
Speaker 1: to myself. They got it separated, they got it open
Speaker 1: and the police can control what's going on on the stage.
Speaker 1: And then again once they won in twenty two, same thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know. Well, we did
Speaker 1: a lot about the Morgan.
Speaker 3: We in Boston. Overall, the Celtics parade was well behaved.
Speaker 1: Overall, Yes it was, Yes, it was, and it covered
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of congratulations. Congratulations to the fans
Speaker 1: for that, because they really really handled this well this year.
Speaker 1: Mayor Wu and her staff, they were on top of
Speaker 1: this from the moment the Celtics were. They were prepared
Speaker 1: for this long before they won. When they got into
Speaker 1: the finals, they were preparing for this. They said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we're going to do. This is how
Speaker 1: we're going to do it. You know, give her, give
Speaker 1: her her staff their props. They deserve it.
Speaker 3: Well, we may have to go and do it again
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: You don't know where. You know, this couple of things
Speaker 1: that I'd like to bring up before we leave each other,
Speaker 1: you know, thank you. Okay. I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: ceremony for the Menino family and I thank them for
Speaker 1: doing that. It was on your news earlier that they
Speaker 1: continue a tradition of giving away gifts and so forth.
Speaker 1: Mamanino and family, thank you. It's a blessing that you
Speaker 1: remember Tominino in that way. And last but not least,
Speaker 1: you know the situation in the Middle East. It hurts
Speaker 1: my heart because I heard the newscast saying there will
Speaker 1: be no Christmas tree in a certain places. They're forty
Speaker 1: five thousand people dead and so forth. And yet at
Speaker 1: the same time I saw this evening on the news
Speaker 1: that they're investigating the investigation for corruption of Benjamin Ett.
Speaker 1: Yahoo is continuing. He's the Prime minister of the country
Speaker 1: and he and his wife were accused of stealing millions
Speaker 1: from their people. There's got to be some justice in
Speaker 1: this world somewhere. But as I approached these minutes, as
Speaker 1: I approached the moment, the day of our Savior, and
Speaker 1: I think about he's looking down, and I pray every
Speaker 1: day for the world. I say, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know where this is going to wind up, but
Speaker 1: I just pray for all of us, Morgan, because we need.
Speaker 2: To share me true wordson never spoken. I've got to
Speaker 2: say thank you to you, and I'm doing the rest
Speaker 2: job of this. Thank you to Anthony, said Marco. Thank
Speaker 2: you to my producer Dan, thank you to Nancy, thank
Speaker 2: you to Gray, thank you to all the night Side listeners.
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to all.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Dennis Wilson by Boston