Speaker 1: You're good with your microphone. I don't know. Let's just
Speaker 1: do it, okay, Well, you remember back when we first
Speaker 1: met each other. I feel like one of the part
Speaker 1: of the genesis of off topic was you and I.
Speaker 2: I do not remember meeting you, by the way. I
Speaker 2: just I feel like I kind of always knew you.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the specific time I got introduced to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, me neither. That's a fair point, but I
Speaker 1: guess I mean specifically, one of our first movie conversations
Speaker 1: was about a quiet place. Yeah, sure, and uh I
Speaker 1: was coming to you. Leo and I were speaking on
Speaker 1: the air, and I said, yeah, I very rarely gravitate
Speaker 1: towards the thing that everybody tells you is great. I
Speaker 1: guess it was a quiet place, which was a quiet place.
Speaker 1: I can recognize why it's good. But when you watch
Speaker 1: as many movies as I do, I'm looking for the
Speaker 1: strange and unusual versus the uh what everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: pointing towards. I've always felt kind of the same way
Speaker 1: about the Knives Out movies. They're very fun, and they're
Speaker 1: very enjoyable, and they're well made, and the acting is incredible,
Speaker 1: but I always feel like like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: little at least after the first one, I should say
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a little cliche. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I feel. I gotta say I'm breaking my
Speaker 1: own mold here. I thoroughly enjoyed. Yeah, the cliche ish neist.
Speaker 1: I thought they had enough fun inversions on it to
Speaker 1: really make it a fun thing. And it looks like
Speaker 1: people kind of agree with that sentiment. Did you and
Speaker 1: did you enjoy it? I did?
Speaker 2: And this is coming from a guy. We're talking about
Speaker 2: Knives Out, Wake Up, dead Man, the third installment and
Speaker 2: the Knives Out Ryan Johnson. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: universe because I think these kinds are they all existing
Speaker 2: in the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Daniel Craig is the only consistent, the
Speaker 1: only consistent.
Speaker 2: Guy, Okay, so anyway, which we have to talk about
Speaker 2: him a little bit, is absolutely so. I never saw
Speaker 2: the first two, and I heard great things about the
Speaker 2: first one. I heard not so great things about the
Speaker 2: second one, and then the third one. I had no idea,
Speaker 2: like I saw this before I looked up anything about
Speaker 2: what people were saying about And it seems like this
Speaker 2: is a nice rebound, right it's similar to True Detective
Speaker 2: on HBO. Right, you had this unbelievable season one. Season
Speaker 2: two could not be more of a Collie failure based
Speaker 2: on the critics and the audience scores and everything on that.
Speaker 2: Then you had season three, which was a nice little
Speaker 2: bounce back, and four has kind of found its way
Speaker 2: with Jody Foster. And I can't remember who else was
Speaker 2: in that one besides Jodi Foster. But this one seems
Speaker 2: to be kind of in the in the middle between
Speaker 2: one and two as far as how good it is,
Speaker 2: how enjoyable it is. But I think closer to the
Speaker 2: first one, recapturing some of that magic here that we
Speaker 2: love to see in the first one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I looked it up on the Rotten Tomatoes,
Speaker 1: which take that for what it is. You know, it's
Speaker 1: by no means perfect, but ironically enough, all three of
Speaker 1: them are in the low nineties for critics on a
Speaker 1: second one. Yeah, So, I mean this is mine.
Speaker 2: Neither one of us has seen the second.
Speaker 1: We have not seen the thing. I have not seen
Speaker 1: the first. You have seen the first, yes, and so,
Speaker 1: and I do want to talk about Daniel Craig as well,
Speaker 1: but just to at least get this out of the
Speaker 1: way at first my interpretation. Far be it from me
Speaker 1: to put my opinion on everybody. There is the second movie,
Speaker 1: For No Reason at All, dives into Daniel Craig's character
Speaker 1: Ben wab Blae being a gay man for no reason
Speaker 1: at all. It really has nothing to do with the plot.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't happen at all in the first one.
Speaker 1: No, and it really doesn't happen in this one. And
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: America know that he was gay. I just kind of
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have known in the first one either. The second
Speaker 1: one jumps into it heavy, and in this America, a
Speaker 1: lot of people, why do you have to shoehorn this
Speaker 1: into everything? He could have just been a character, and
Speaker 1: I think it might have got review bombed more than
Speaker 1: it actually was bad. It would be my guest, based
Speaker 1: on a lot of the react that's interesting and that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Now, this is what I want to ask
Speaker 1: you specifically about him. Did he did he have this accent?
Speaker 1: And the way he talked was at the season like
Speaker 1: the first one as well the first movie. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: more importantly he was that's I'm let's just start there.
Speaker 1: He was not nearly as prominently featured in this they.
Speaker 2: Let Josh O'Connor.
Speaker 1: Yes, they let Josh O'Connor take the reins a little
Speaker 1: bit here on this one, which was enjoyable. I thought
Speaker 1: he did a great job. But would you say he
Speaker 1: was the lead in this order, Yes, I would. And
Speaker 1: it was a similar setup, and that you get like
Speaker 1: twenty minutes maybe thirty minutes of no Daniel Craig. You
Speaker 1: get to know the character longer, it might be, it
Speaker 1: might very well be. You get to know the nuance
Speaker 1: the of the interactions, and then he kind of swoops
Speaker 1: in after like that was very similar. But once he
Speaker 1: steps in in the first one, it is his vehicle
Speaker 1: for the rest of the movie. I gotcha. And he
Speaker 1: was very bombastic, and he was very over the top,
Speaker 1: and this one felt a little more reserved. He's still
Speaker 1: at his moments. Wasn't as prominently featured, but I could tell.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was because it was a
Speaker 1: limited release or more of a Netflix style release. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're like, we can only afford to twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: to Daniel Craigs. So I have no idea what it
Speaker 1: led to it, but like it was noticeable how much
Speaker 1: less prominently he was featured in this one compared to
Speaker 1: at least the original. Again, I haven't seen the second one.
Speaker 2: Right, and they are on my list because I did
Speaker 2: like this one quite a bit and I have a
Speaker 2: feeling and now that you bring up the review bomb
Speaker 2: with the second one, I think I'm more excited to
Speaker 2: see the second one. Although my buddy the commiss who's
Speaker 2: seen the first two, has not seen the third one yet.
Speaker 2: He said, just the second one suck. Now, he has
Speaker 2: some very interesting viewpoints on life. I think I brought
Speaker 2: that up for so I take his stuff usually with
Speaker 2: a grain of salt, and.
Speaker 1: I could be mistaken. The movie could suck like you
Speaker 1: never know, but I know that was well, there's promise.
Speaker 2: There's been plenty of stuff that he has said is
Speaker 2: great that I think is very mediocre, sure, and other
Speaker 2: stuff that he thinks absolutely sucks, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 1: So whatever. The way that they set.
Speaker 2: This one up is Josh O'Connor is a former boxer
Speaker 2: turned priest, Yes, and he basically slugs a priest at
Speaker 2: the parish he was at, and then he gets transferred
Speaker 2: to this parish in rural New York State that is
Speaker 2: being run by uh, Thanos helped me out l who
Speaker 2: sounded like when he was preaching, yes, was it?
Speaker 1: Did you not hear yeah? I heard it.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear cale. I heard yeah, there's that. It
Speaker 2: was definitely more Thanos than cable.
Speaker 1: But with with the way he preached, so okay, just
Speaker 1: to set this up, so he feels like his character
Speaker 1: feels like Josh O'Connor's character might be like being sent
Speaker 1: there to take over his parish a little bit.
Speaker 2: And the way that Jefferson Wicks, who is his character
Speaker 2: in the movie, that's Josh Brolin, he preaches in such
Speaker 2: an incendiary tone that it turns off so many people
Speaker 2: like he's I think they bring it up like he
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like he's had a successful sermon unless somebody
Speaker 2: leaves out of embarrassment or whatever. And so basically his
Speaker 2: his parish is down to just a handful really like
Speaker 2: eight or nine people that show up. Yeah, the truest
Speaker 2: of believers, right, and they're all big Jefferson Wicks followers.
Speaker 2: And ironically, it turns out, as we found out this
Speaker 2: first forty five minutes or so of the movie, half
Speaker 2: hour whatever it was, where it's Josh O'Connor's character Judd,
Speaker 2: that is sort of narrating everything he is telling you
Speaker 2: about these characters as we're finding out about him. Like that,
Speaker 2: we're being introduced by by Judd's character to these characters
Speaker 2: who end up being the and and spoiler alert, Jefferson
Speaker 2: Wicks is the dead man referred to in Wake Up
Speaker 2: dead Man. Yeah, they become all prime suspects.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what I liked about it and we'll get into
Speaker 2: the caper of this here or the who done an
Speaker 2: aspect of it, I really never got a good handle
Speaker 2: on who had the best motivation and who was most
Speaker 2: likely to be the killer slash killers in this film
Speaker 2: from yeah, okay, and even as we as as we
Speaker 2: got deeper and deeper where you should be figuring more
Speaker 2: and more out, I had more and more questions, and
Speaker 2: I really didn't know, Like and so then when you know,
Speaker 2: I said to you before, there's a lot of headfakes
Speaker 2: in this film of like, oh, okay, so here's what
Speaker 2: now that's not exactly what. Oh, but but it had
Speaker 2: to happen, not necessarily, and and so it wasn't until
Speaker 2: like I want to say, the very end, but almost
Speaker 2: to the very end I'm like, oh, I get it,
Speaker 2: which was really cool, And and I don't know how
Speaker 2: you feel about it, because I think you are more
Speaker 2: in tune to these types of movies that you like
Speaker 2: so much. And I do like a good who done it?
Speaker 2: But I am not actively trying to figure it out
Speaker 2: when as I'm watching it, I'm just enjoying the story
Speaker 2: play out. And obviously I have questions in my mind,
Speaker 2: but I'm not like really banging my head the way
Speaker 2: that jud and ben Wan Blanc we're banging their heads
Speaker 2: trying to figure this this caper out. But I would
Speaker 2: love to know your perspective on how challenging it was
Speaker 2: to you as the audience member of the level of
Speaker 2: and the layers of not secrecy, but the layers of.
Speaker 1: What's the word conspiracy, No, not conspiracy, the level of
Speaker 1: it'll come to me, okay, but basically the level of
Speaker 1: don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: No, this is going to really irritate. Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: to stop drinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh, I will say, I believe you listen
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah they could go in any direction. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: So that's I'm more curious about that with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely rang through and so let me say
Speaker 1: I'll describe this by giving another example. There is a
Speaker 1: throwaway who Done It movie called eighty eight Minutes starring
Speaker 1: al Pachante and Alpatain. Sure absolutely. A buddy of mine
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 2: Say throw away because it was so short.
Speaker 1: Because it was it was so forgettable, oh like cookie Cutter. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only reason I remember it is for this story
Speaker 1: because my college friend said, watch eighty eight minutes with me.
Speaker 1: I've never been more confused by uh by a who
Speaker 1: Done It in my life. And I'm like, oh, totally.
Speaker 1: I'm really good at guessing this stuff and I'm here
Speaker 1: for that. And so he puts the movie on. In
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes in there's a scene in a parking
Speaker 1: lot where every single one of his students who could
Speaker 1: possibly be the person who has them, he's it's basically
Speaker 1: like the plot to Diehard three. He's got a phone
Speaker 1: and he's got to get from A to B to
Speaker 1: see and get somewhere. Within eighty eight minutes, every single
Speaker 1: one of the people who could be the murderer is
Speaker 1: shown in a suspicious light. And at the end of
Speaker 1: that scene, there's one blonde girl who was sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner crying because somebody attacked her. And I looked
Speaker 1: at my friend and said, she's the murderer. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: he says why and I said, cause she's the only
Speaker 1: one that the movie didn't tell me. Yeah. And he's like,
Speaker 1: but no, why And I said, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but she's the murder right. Yeah. I'm not good at
Speaker 1: these because I will understand the why behind. I'm good
Speaker 1: because I understand movie making, and I know when you're
Speaker 1: trying to distract me, and I know what you want
Speaker 1: me to look at.
Speaker 2: Look here, now, to look over here.
Speaker 1: I knew who the murderer was. I think thirty five
Speaker 1: seconds after we found Josh Brolin dead shot. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I really, yeah.
Speaker 2: I find Okay, listen, I give you credit for your movie, chops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I find this extraordinarily hard to believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't get all the ins and outs because
Speaker 1: there's the but the fundamental crux of what was happening
Speaker 1: I had put together.
Speaker 2: Right, here's here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think
Speaker 2: had I been watching it now that I think about
Speaker 2: this movie, had I been watching it, and had I've
Speaker 2: seen how they structured everything with the introduction to all
Speaker 2: the characters, you know, Jeremy Renner, Kerrie Washington, which was
Speaker 2: great cast, but yeah, we'll get there, Thomas Hayden Church.
Speaker 1: Who is the woman, the old Jeremy Reynard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have all these So I could have
Speaker 2: if if you asked me at that point based on,
Speaker 2: you know, previous movie watching, and you said, okay, I
Speaker 2: need you to pick who you think the murderer is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I feel fairly confident I would have guessed right, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: and see hold on, hold on, I would have guessed right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: guess it would have been a guest. Yes, But you
Speaker 2: were sure of it? Yeah, what was your level?
Speaker 1: Confidence level?
Speaker 2: Pretty high, like ninety something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't want to say what and.
Speaker 2: You I don't understand this and you still enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean because I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: was right. But there's one thing that I don't want
Speaker 1: to say on the show because if I say it,
Speaker 1: you'll say the moment and you'll know what happened. But
Speaker 1: these movies, and I hesitate to say this to you
Speaker 1: because you want to see the first ones. They typically
Speaker 1: like Scream was very famous for We're gonna make you
Speaker 1: think it's the boyfriend right away. Then we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: you that it's not the boyfriend, so that that's off
Speaker 1: your radar. And then it turns out that it was
Speaker 1: the boyfriend.
Speaker 2: That's every single dateline, investigation, discovery ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it turns out there were two killers, and
Speaker 1: there was no way for you to actually infer that
Speaker 1: there were two killing. It's like there was no hint
Speaker 1: at that. Hold on, what are you talking about in scream?
Speaker 1: In scream, Oh, It's like the way they were able
Speaker 1: to convince you it wasn't him is because there was
Speaker 1: a second guy doing it, and you never would have
Speaker 1: guessed that unless you've already seen the movie. These movies,
Speaker 1: and this this was true of the first one. Like
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh, well, that guy's clearly the
Speaker 1: biggest shiitthead in the movie, so that can't be the
Speaker 1: guy that it is. Yeah, and then it is, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like really, yeah, like you're you're gonna remove
Speaker 1: You're gonna remove all of the pretext and like these
Speaker 1: don't necessarily pull their punches in that way. So when
Speaker 1: I saw the scene and when I saw that moment,
Speaker 1: and they even tell a story about the past of
Speaker 1: the church, and I started putting pieces together and like, oh, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I immediately made the jump. And sure enough, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of twists and turns, some of which I guess,
Speaker 1: some of which caught me off guard. But I actually
Speaker 1: called a lot of this movie wow because of I'm
Speaker 1: still enjoyed it. I did you know what? You know
Speaker 1: what stuck out to me? And this isn't spoiling anything
Speaker 1: because you said you don't like actively watching it. This
Speaker 1: movie encourages that. Though there's a scene where they're holding up.
Speaker 2: The picture, it's because I think of the first two
Speaker 2: knives out, like you you go in with with the
Speaker 2: expectation that you need to be doing that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily like that because I think it's it's almost
Speaker 2: like a chore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to enjoy that. But did you like
Speaker 1: one experience? Did you like when they held the picture
Speaker 1: up to the scene and they would show and they
Speaker 1: bring it down, they'd hold it up and like, so
Speaker 1: you think you notice stuff, but then it turns out
Speaker 1: there was other stuff, and it's like active participation in
Speaker 1: showing to So I loved that. I've never seen that
Speaker 1: before and I loved it.
Speaker 2: There were the scene that Ben's talking about. They're in
Speaker 2: a pub, yeah, yeah, and Ben wi Blanc is holding
Speaker 2: up a photo of the pub from this taken from
Speaker 2: the same perspective that he was standing at, and he
Speaker 2: holds a photo up in front of the camera. Then
Speaker 2: he drops it. And I don't think it's actually explained
Speaker 2: because like, even in that moment, I didn't see it.
Speaker 2: I didn't see what he was seeing me neither.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that part.
Speaker 2: And then in spoiler alert, you end up finding out
Speaker 2: what he was seeing at that point before the movie ends.
Speaker 1: And you have the capacity to notice it, like it's
Speaker 1: on the viewer to watch it for sure.
Speaker 2: So, uh, I just can't get over how you enjoyed
Speaker 2: this movie when you saw this all.
Speaker 1: Well, because it wasn't it wasn't a guarantee that I
Speaker 1: was right. I was just like, oh, this is probably
Speaker 1: because but you said you were so sure. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I was also so sure about the blonde girl in
Speaker 1: eighty eight minutes, not because I understood and I don't
Speaker 1: remember the movie like there actually is like evidence to
Speaker 1: back up that she was the killer, and there was.
Speaker 2: Stuff you call that note to that. Yeah, prior to
Speaker 2: her crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you throughout the movie, like there were hints that
Speaker 1: you could have figured it out. But I get that.
Speaker 2: But Ben, you're you made the call the moment these
Speaker 2: characters were well, I shouldn't say the moment these characters
Speaker 2: are introduced, but you made the call so early in
Speaker 2: both of these films.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing in Shutter Island and I
Speaker 1: love Shutter of Thirty minutes in I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all in his imagine.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. Yeah, I don't. I mean that's great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I brought this up with commission. He said, you know,
Speaker 2: the best who done it's are the ones where you
Speaker 2: can figure it out.
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't. I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I I want a big reveal at the end, and
Speaker 2: I got one in this film. You got a smaller reveal.
Speaker 1: So but so let me let me hit you with
Speaker 1: a quote here, George R. Martin, our boy. Sure is
Speaker 1: this the pole Butler quote that you Yeah, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: already done it on the show. Never mind that I
Speaker 1: think times but so then, But but to that effect, then,
Speaker 1: the fact that people are able to figure out that
Speaker 1: the butler did it, is that a testament to good storytelling?
Speaker 1: Or is that a predictable story. I'd argue it's good storytelling,
Speaker 1: and he's he refused it would allow him.
Speaker 2: It would happen to be good scory story. If you're
Speaker 2: gonna have the butler do it, you better have a
Speaker 2: really good story prior to that.
Speaker 1: But for me to be able to guess the butler
Speaker 1: did it would there would have to be enough subtle crumbs,
Speaker 1: because not everybody knew what it was building towards. I
Speaker 1: didn't know the J plus L on the tree thing
Speaker 1: was freaking you know, what's his name, John Snow and
Speaker 1: what and Targarian's ancestors, and that they were related in
Speaker 1: some way, Like I didn't put that shit together. But
Speaker 1: the fact that some people love this stuff enough to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, maybe these initials are correlated to this,
Speaker 1: that's good storytelling. Like to me, I was caught off
Speaker 1: guard by that when other people were able to put
Speaker 1: it together. To me, I think if no one, like
Speaker 1: I said, was Scream. I love the movie. Scream not
Speaker 1: necessarily good storytelling. There was no indication at any point
Speaker 1: that two people were the murders of that. In every The.
Speaker 2: Difference with Scream was it was sort of a like
Speaker 2: one of the first, at least that I can remember.
Speaker 2: It was one of the first meta horror slasher movies
Speaker 2: we've ever seen where it assumes you are well versed
Speaker 2: in the template of slasher films, and even if you're not,
Speaker 2: Jamie Kennedy gives you the crash course several times throughout
Speaker 2: the film. So the difference with that one was expectations
Speaker 2: for me changed, right, because they set you up for
Speaker 2: following this template the whole the whole way, and then
Speaker 2: at the end like, oh, by the way, now we're
Speaker 2: breaking the template, right, And I think with knives out,
Speaker 2: there's and again I should I should have taken time
Speaker 2: to watch the first two so I could speak more
Speaker 2: eloquently and with more authority on it.
Speaker 1: It's basically the same movie, I'll be honest, compared to
Speaker 1: the first first one.
Speaker 2: In audiences in today's day and age, especially for these
Speaker 2: types of films, man, you have really really got to
Speaker 2: spin a good yarn or people are going to destroy it.
Speaker 2: And there's always going to be people like you who
Speaker 2: figure stuff out, like there's just no getting around it,
Speaker 2: because you have to dumb it down to the intellect
Speaker 2: level of people like me who are watching this purely
Speaker 2: for the enjoyment on of it and not trying to
Speaker 2: act like I'm on the case with Ben Wi Blanco.
Speaker 2: I assume that that was you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yes, Mila.
Speaker 2: Kutis, I forgot was in this too. Did you think
Speaker 2: she was miscast?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't care for her as that. She didn't strike
Speaker 2: me as an extraordinarily intelligent person.
Speaker 1: And she didn't, I mean like she was the uh
Speaker 1: cause you know uh in a lot of these Sheriff rules, especially.
Speaker 2: Very intelligent character. I should say I think she's an
Speaker 2: intelligent person in real life.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, yeah, they're they're depicted in movies. I
Speaker 1: always say cops have a very similar attitude as salesman.
Speaker 1: It's like we have a quote and we have to
Speaker 1: get there. She needed the red ledger in her ledger
Speaker 1: to turn green. She needs a killer for this story.
Speaker 1: I don't care who that killer is. You need to
Speaker 1: present me, you know, the killer.
Speaker 2: And maybe this is kind of kind of type cast
Speaker 2: a little bit where I'm you know, I've told you
Speaker 2: I'm getting into stranger things now. Yeah, there there is
Speaker 2: her character in this film versus Hopper in Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: Versus Deputy Dewey in the screen franchise. Three very different characters,
Speaker 1: same role.
Speaker 2: But but I think there's very similar ways on what
Speaker 2: the cog that they are in those films, right, And
Speaker 2: there's different ways of doing it, but they all are
Speaker 2: basically the same cog. Hey, we're we're we're smart, We're
Speaker 2: we're good cops. But we're not smart enough to do
Speaker 2: this all on our own. We need ben Wan Blanc,
Speaker 2: we need Winona Ryder, we need Courtney Cox exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I will say me Lacunis doesn't integrate with
Speaker 1: the cast as much as the others the other two do.
Speaker 1: Like Dewey ends up marrying Courtney Cox, he's known Sydney's
Speaker 1: and chooses like that's me. Lacunas is removed quite from
Speaker 1: the actual and I think.
Speaker 2: I think that there's I guess the other thing to
Speaker 2: Dewey and Hopper, the biggest things that they do that
Speaker 2: Melacunas character doesn't do it all. It's all about protection.
Speaker 2: They're to protect and serve. Well, Dewey and Hopper do that.
Speaker 2: Mela Cunas is all about like give me the body,
Speaker 2: get me the killer, you know, get me get me
Speaker 2: the the murderer here so I can wrap this up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that, and like they do a good job,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned of like misleading you in certain ways,
Speaker 1: but it did any of that.
Speaker 2: I love when I don't know when it's real and
Speaker 2: when it's not. Did you pick up on that the
Speaker 2: head fakes? I mean, did you know that were head fakes?
Speaker 1: Some of them, some of them like that, there were
Speaker 1: there were elements of it, like I'll be honest, like
Speaker 1: I started putting it together very quickly when they were
Speaker 1: religious overtones to this and it's called Wake Up Dead Man,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I have a good feeling.
Speaker 1: I know what's going to happen later in this movie.
Speaker 1: And sure enough you can kind of put two and
Speaker 1: two together of what I'm saying there. For me, what
Speaker 1: kept me engaged is I think the writing in these movies.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, I'm looking at uh at Josh Brolin,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, this guy looks like freaking Jeff
Speaker 1: Bridges right now, Like why is he.
Speaker 2: Just know how many times I wanted when we were
Speaker 2: doing this podcast, how many times I wanted to call
Speaker 2: him Jeff Bridges?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like probably like four or five. But then there's
Speaker 1: a throwaway line in the movie when he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you've got a priest that looks like the
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski and like they put it in the movie,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there thinking that the whole time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's funny writing as a political commentator when I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what was the black kid's name in that movie, Darryl McCormick,
Speaker 1: cy Draven, the one who's trying to enter into politics. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he sits there and he's like, yeah, I tried
Speaker 1: connecting with people, and he gets like a thirty second
Speaker 1: monologue where he just lists every He's like, I tried
Speaker 1: connecting on abortion or guns or and he lists every
Speaker 1: single say, the abortion thing, the guns thing, and he
Speaker 1: goes one after another after another, and it's literally thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's thirty different topics. And he's like, nothing worked.
Speaker 1: And I was like, he just distilled my entire profession
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds. And that felt so surreal watching him
Speaker 1: do it. I was cracking up watching it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like, that's the kind of stuff that I sign
Speaker 1: up for in this movie. That is I meant to
Speaker 1: pull the audio of him saying that and playing it
Speaker 1: during my show. I'm gonna do it tomorrow because I
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious. That is funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just bring the regarding Jeff Bridges the Neutron movie.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but I haven't even seen the
Speaker 1: second Tron movie I have, honest I.
Speaker 2: Haven't either, but my buddy Stirfry was telling me he
Speaker 2: was watching it the other night and he said that
Speaker 2: there is a lot because Jeff Bridges is in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was obviously in the original. There's a line
Speaker 2: in there that kind of like refers to him as
Speaker 2: the dude or has some sort of big Lebowski reference
Speaker 2: in the Neutrons. I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy with this off topic here because I
Speaker 1: always like throwing people off with this. I don't get
Speaker 1: I don't get that movie. I don't make Lebowski. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why everyone likes it so much. You know.
Speaker 2: The first time I saw it, I was like and
Speaker 2: this was after the hype too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just kind of like, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: it when I was in college. This was well after.
Speaker 1: This was like two thousand and six seven, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: watching it.
Speaker 2: So so I watched it and I'm like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is just it's Cohen Cohen brother stuff, which is it's
Speaker 2: all right. Yeah, And then I watched it again I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, And now whenever
Speaker 1: it's on, I'm watching it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And to the point, like even at work today, stir
Speaker 2: Fry and I were quoting the the the Dusty Stepping
Speaker 2: over the line where where John Goodman pulls out the gun.
Speaker 2: We're quoting that like almost see. And I don't know
Speaker 2: what it's a cult classic. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is I like about it. I I I
Speaker 2: love Jeff Bridges acting. John Goodman's character was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the great. I say, Donnie, you're out of
Speaker 1: your element two times a week on my show The President.
Speaker 2: The whole uh Caper Kidnapped. Yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, man like, there's just a lot
Speaker 2: going on with it, and then you get the weird
Speaker 2: dream sequence dream sequences or whatever. So I can't explain
Speaker 2: why I like it. I just know that when it's on,
Speaker 2: I enjoy. I don't hate on people like it. You
Speaker 2: know what makes me mad about it is that I
Speaker 2: should like it, Like is like, Ben, why don't you
Speaker 2: It's a smart movie. There's good, So I think it is.
Speaker 2: I think it should be right. I think I think
Speaker 2: it's what I don't like. Maybe it's too smart. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what I didn't care for. Oh, who's the
Speaker 2: woman from Milwaukee in that movie? The actress Julianne Moore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't care for that whole aspect. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: just I got nothing out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's I've been where I like how off topic
Speaker 1: we are. But i'ven't been out of shape with her
Speaker 1: since the Hannibal movie where she replaced Jodie Foster and
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't Jody.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it, but I heard she was really
Speaker 2: good in that. I think it's called Still Alice. And
Speaker 2: I want to say Anne Hathaway was in it with her.
Speaker 2: I don't quote me on that. Yeah, but she plays
Speaker 2: this college professor with early onset dementia or Alzheimer's or something,
Speaker 2: so she's slowly losing her mind, and you know, and
Speaker 2: and it's a I guess it's a pretty honest portrayal
Speaker 2: from what I've heard for people who've experienced a family
Speaker 2: member doing this and she got good reviews for it.
Speaker 2: That said after, I mean, yeah, I just I don't.
Speaker 1: Think she's done a whole lot. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: so whatever. Yeah, but in any event, how did we
Speaker 1: end up? Oh? Because he looks like big Lebowski. But
Speaker 1: so it's the writing that gets me where. That got
Speaker 1: me where I needed to go with this. I think
Speaker 1: there's the uh, the interaction with everybody feels very organic
Speaker 1: and as we said, the casts like, I feel like
Speaker 1: we barely even scratch the surface. But Jeremy Renner, Josh O'Connor,
Speaker 1: Carrie Washington.
Speaker 2: No, just real quick, Jeremy Renner, was this post snowplow accident.
Speaker 1: It would have to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know when they filmed that.
Speaker 1: Me neither. Okay, yeah, so he.
Speaker 2: He looked a little I mean a little bit older,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and a little bit more weathered. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure that was because, you know, in part of all
Speaker 2: the surgeries he had to have.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was sitting there and watching him,
Speaker 1: not to say he did a bad job, but I
Speaker 1: was like, why is he famous? Because he's not like
Speaker 1: overly handsome. His acting isn't over impressive.
Speaker 2: So this is my m introduction to Jeremy Rener. You're
Speaker 2: gonna appreciate this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, back in the day, Pizza Hut had a
Speaker 1: four dollars deal where you'd buy a pizza at regular
Speaker 1: price and each one after that would just be four bucks.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. So they had this television commercial
Speaker 2: of these people sitting in a Pizza Hut restaurant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: remember those, Yeah, And Jeremy Renner is one of the
Speaker 2: actors in this commercial for pizza and they were like,
Speaker 2: so then they would ask the waitress or the serve, oh,
Speaker 2: how much for this this? And this regular price? Four bucks?
Speaker 2: Four bucks, four bucks, and and then it gets to
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner and he says, okay, how about meat Lover's
Speaker 2: pizza double pepperoni and then a medium double pepperoni a
Speaker 2: date with you, and then a large works and she
Speaker 2: goes regular place four bucks four bucks, not for a
Speaker 2: million bucks.
Speaker 1: Four bucks.
Speaker 2: And then they show Jeremy Renner and just kind of
Speaker 2: like laughs or whatever, like smiles, and the commercial ends.
Speaker 2: And then and he's got I think it's his eyes
Speaker 2: that really stand out to me. And then I saw
Speaker 2: and This is a I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: seen this movie, but I think it's really funny. National
Speaker 2: Lampoon Senior Trip. Have you ever seen? Okay, can't remember
Speaker 2: many of the actors in this. Matt Frewer, I think,
Speaker 2: is in it. Yes, I know, Matt Frewer is in it.
Speaker 2: Kevin McDonald from The Kids in the Hall plays a
Speaker 2: small role in this. And then it's all these high
Speaker 2: school kids on this senior trip to Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Runner is basically the star. Okay, so I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: the Pizza Hut guy is in this, and that's who
Speaker 2: Jeremy Runner was for me for years, right, and then
Speaker 2: he starts doing I think it was Avengers was the
Speaker 2: next time I saw him. I could No, it was
Speaker 2: not born No, no, No, I wasn't born Legacy after are?
Speaker 1: I think it was? No?
Speaker 2: I know what he did before that hurt Locker. He
Speaker 2: was a hurt Locker. And I'm like, hey, it's de
Speaker 2: Gastino from National lamp and so forever he was the
Speaker 2: National Lampoon Senior Trip guy, and quite frankly, he still
Speaker 2: was that until he became Hawkeye, and now he's Hawkeye.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But It's wild that that career arc that he has had.
Speaker 1: It is to Academy a nominated actor from being in
Speaker 1: a Pizza Hut commercial. It's like when I rewatched Total
Speaker 1: Recall and Hank from Breaking Bad is like, oh, even
Speaker 1: with four lines in that movie, I'm like, man, that's
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. Breaking Bad started in like two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: That's eighteen years of probably his family being like, hey,
Speaker 1: when you are gonna give up?
Speaker 2: He was still he was still getting character actors.
Speaker 1: He'd always yeah, he'd have bit parts everywhere here and there,
Speaker 1: But I didn't know who he was until like he
Speaker 1: was just a random mutant in Total.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Banks from Mike Ermantrout was one of the bad guys,
Speaker 2: one of the goons in Beverly Hills Cop. And he
Speaker 2: had hair in that movie. If you could believe it,
Speaker 2: it's so wild. Like somebody told me about that one time,
Speaker 2: and I had to show Leo, our mutual friend Leo
Speaker 2: here at the ranch. I'm like, do you realize that
Speaker 2: Mike Ermantroud had hair in Beverly Hills Cop?
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't. It was It does show you just
Speaker 1: got to be in front of these people Terry Crews
Speaker 1: was one of the Benzel Washington's goons in Training Day.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even have a lot of it. Sure stands
Speaker 1: behind him looking jacks, which is crazy. By the way.
Speaker 2: Way, ri ip to Peter Green, who was also one
Speaker 2: of the goons in Training Day, who just a few
Speaker 2: days ago in his apartment found dead and there was
Speaker 2: a note that next to him that said I'm I'm
Speaker 2: still a Westie, which apparently was this Italian American crime
Speaker 2: gang or something, and so, yeah, weird stuff that Peter Green, obviously, Dorian,
Speaker 2: I think it was his name from the mask.
Speaker 1: Obviously you mentioned Training Day. I was watching Blue Streak
Speaker 1: last night. He was in that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, Peter Peter.
Speaker 1: Green, Wake Up dead Man filmed June tenth through August seventeenth,
Speaker 1: So that feels like that was twenty four. Sorry that
Speaker 1: had to be after it. Yeah, so to be Frank,
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about it when I was watching.
Speaker 2: Well and good on him, because I mean, he was
Speaker 2: close to death. Jeremy rennerd were talking about he was
Speaker 2: close to death, and now all of a sudden he's
Speaker 2: acting again, and now I think he's I think he
Speaker 2: is in Doomsday.
Speaker 1: Right, I think we're in Doomsday. Think everybody in dooms? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, crazy stuff there. Now in America. We'll talk
Speaker 1: off there. It's ridiculous. Captain America is going to be
Speaker 1: he got the perfect ending. But okay, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2: Was it revealed? Because I saw, like the Russo Brothers
Speaker 2: made some announcement and they're making four trailers for Doomsday
Speaker 2: And they start with the Avatar film that's coming out.
Speaker 1: Yeah whenever nineteenth this Friday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're releasing four different trailers and the first
Speaker 2: one is Captain America. Did we know that Chris Evans
Speaker 2: was playing Captain America in Doomsday? Was that already previously announced?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So this is a huge thing.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It was rumored for a while to the point where
Speaker 2: I'm like, did I know this or did I not know?
Speaker 1: Yes? You know, it seems to me. I liked that
Speaker 1: we're on this standard. It seems to me like Marvel
Speaker 1: Studios and the Russo Brothers in general, like, you know
Speaker 1: what we're rebooting after Secret Wars. Fuck it, here's everything
Speaker 1: that you you Cretans want. Because to me, both Robert
Speaker 1: Downey and and Chris Evans had perfect endings an Endgame,
Speaker 1: and the idea that they're bringing it back, I absolutely hate.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll do a great job. I'm sure I'll
Speaker 1: like the movie. I'll say this, you don't need to
Speaker 1: bring them back. Two things.
Speaker 2: Two things that so Number one, I think I agree
Speaker 2: with the principle of what you're saying. But two things. One,
Speaker 2: since Endgame, Marvel has been in a down down, whether
Speaker 2: that's oversaturation or introduction of new.
Speaker 1: Characters, or less quality product wokeness. I would I would,
Speaker 1: I would say that there's a lot of people, not me, obviously,
Speaker 1: sure I'm but it's definitely it's pervasive for sure. That's
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 2: Number two, and this is the this is the caution,
Speaker 2: not that Marvel's listening to me, nor should they. And
Speaker 2: I can't remember who said this. You might have even
Speaker 2: said this.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not attributing this to to anyone, but I know
Speaker 2: it wasn't Neil came up with this. If you start now,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna butcher the quote. It's it's itself something to
Speaker 2: the effect of.
Speaker 1: If if you were gonna give, you can't give people
Speaker 1: what they want, because if they truly wanted this, they.
Speaker 2: Make it themselves, right and and so you have to
Speaker 2: give them what they don't know they want, right and
Speaker 2: and I think Marvel is kind of giving them what
Speaker 2: they want. It's to your to your point, which is
Speaker 2: a slippery slope here this is and I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is a hail Mary what they're doing with Doomsday.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be great. I think it's going
Speaker 2: to rejuvenate a lot of people's interests in the MCU.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's gonna work right. And
Speaker 1: I think they know that they have a year and
Speaker 1: a half from or a year from now. They have
Speaker 1: a get out of jail free card. I enjoyed the
Speaker 1: Agents of Shield show. It had a slow start, but
Speaker 1: it did pick up. I never watched it, but it
Speaker 1: was only supposed to run five seasons. In the series
Speaker 1: finale at the end of his season almost had me
Speaker 1: in tears. That's how well they finished that size. And
Speaker 1: then they did it go five seasons. It went seven.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is so they gave you the perfect
Speaker 1: ending and you were like, this is great, like and
Speaker 1: then like there's a major death in it, and they
Speaker 1: were like, actually that was a cyborg and or no,
Speaker 1: we made him a cyborg and we're going to keep
Speaker 1: the show going now, And I was like, and it
Speaker 1: sucked after that for two more years.
Speaker 2: This is a this is the carbon copy of the
Speaker 2: Trinity Killer in Dexter. Yeah, right when when they when
Speaker 2: Liftgo dies spoiler alert, Yeah, they should have ended the show, right,
Speaker 2: and they've rebooted it right, although kind of three times
Speaker 2: actual resurrections.
Speaker 1: I think in the top fifteen highest rated show of
Speaker 1: all time. Oh my god, Yeah, I have not seen
Speaker 1: it because, like you, I'm like, I'm not doing this,
Speaker 1: Like I've the ending was so bad at that point,
Speaker 1: but I always getting nervous to that kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Walking Dead.
Speaker 2: I brought this up before once Megan was defeated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's walk off into the sunset, this huge time jump.
Speaker 1: People stopped caring about these characters.
Speaker 2: You'd introduce the Whisperers, which I thought was okay, But
Speaker 2: I think the problem with that is is the showrunner
Speaker 2: tried to make the Whisperers a bigger threat because they
Speaker 2: had to. They had to make it a bigger threat
Speaker 2: than the Saviors because otherwise, why are we watching?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And they weren't. I agree, and that it just wasn't it.
Speaker 2: And Jeffrey Dean Morgan was so much more compelling than
Speaker 2: I can't remember. The woman who.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a famous British actress. She's actually in something
Speaker 2: right now, like a big she's part of a big
Speaker 2: cast for a really good It might it might be
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's it's.
Speaker 1: Getting to your point that it's not important.
Speaker 2: We'll get into it some other time.
Speaker 1: That might be what Marvel was struggling from as well.
Speaker 1: Is after you watched half of existence get snapped out
Speaker 1: of existence, it's hard to take mysterio seriously?
Speaker 2: Why now?
Speaker 1: Why is that? Because I just watched I just watched
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Company take on Thanos in an army
Speaker 1: of dangerous of like the most over the top. And
Speaker 1: now you're trying to get me to think that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy who uses drones as projectors? How will we
Speaker 1: ever overcome this with Captain Marvel and freaking thor you know?
Speaker 2: But that's the whole thing. And this is what I said.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's scaling. You have to put in and
Speaker 1: they kind of do it. Well.
Speaker 2: Why can't the Avengers help out here?
Speaker 1: Or why is this?
Speaker 2: Why am I watching this when I just saw the
Speaker 2: universe's greatest threat aniverses great.
Speaker 1: I have a theory, Give me my tinfoil hat. I
Speaker 1: believe that's why the NFL periodically makes it harder or
Speaker 1: easier to score points, because we always have a new
Speaker 1: slew of young people putting up new records that we've
Speaker 1: never seen have. It always like it's an escalation back
Speaker 1: to what was, and if we ever went backwards, it'd
Speaker 1: be like, wait a minute, this sucks. You can make the.
Speaker 2: Case that we're going backwards now because how defenses are played. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the NFL, it's it's actually limiting scoring. People do
Speaker 2: have a problem.
Speaker 1: With Yeah, I agree, But anyway, holy.
Speaker 2: Cow, worst off topic off topic ever.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Getting back to Wake Up Dead Man, I guess I
Speaker 2: should have seen it coming. I should have assumed somebody dies.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I assume somebody dies. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I should have seen the whole waking up aspect because
Speaker 2: it's in the title and I never even thought of that.
Speaker 2: You know, I just I go in with these movies
Speaker 2: with so little preparation, and I think that's how I
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: I go into it believing nothing is happening by accident,
Speaker 1: and I think that which.
Speaker 2: Is true because what a great filmmakers do. They're telling
Speaker 2: you a story, and they're showing you parts of the story,
Speaker 2: and then they're also not showing you certain things, right,
Speaker 2: so everything is on or off screen for reasons. This
Speaker 2: is what I always problem. Have this problem with people
Speaker 2: who say that they're right down the middle journalistically, right,
Speaker 2: I have no agenda. I'm just reporting the facts. Well,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Once you are a journalist and you
Speaker 2: are reporting a message to me, you are not reporting
Speaker 2: certain things just because you can't. You can't fit everything
Speaker 2: into your whatever it is. You can't report certain things.
Speaker 2: So you are making a judgment, okay, of what you
Speaker 2: think should be included in that story. So there is
Speaker 2: an agenda.
Speaker 1: There or that it should even be a story or
Speaker 1: is this is this a story? Or is this not
Speaker 1: a story? But I'm still doing it, okay, So so
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't anybody who says that they are.
Speaker 1: And I used to be this person. Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to be the.
Speaker 2: Person that's like, yeah, I don't, I don't. I have
Speaker 2: no political affiliation, I have no and I probably publicly
Speaker 2: i'd still say that. But as far as like conservative
Speaker 2: versus liberal, atheist versus Christian or anything you know that's polarizing,
Speaker 2: right wokeness versus anti woke or whatever, everybody is on
Speaker 2: one side or the other. Now they may not be far,
Speaker 2: they might not be in the polarizer, but everybody is
Speaker 2: on one side or another. And when you hear people
Speaker 2: that's why I laugh when I hear people saying like, no,
Speaker 2: this is this is I'm just straight as an arrow.
Speaker 2: This is how it is. That's how I am. No,
Speaker 2: you're not.
Speaker 1: How does that relate to the movie itself.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the director is choosing to put certain things
Speaker 2: in as well as not include certain things. Now, what's
Speaker 2: and I would say it's more sometimes it's more compelling
Speaker 2: to find out. And we talk about the mcguffin all
Speaker 2: the time. What's what's not being included in the story?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Are we supposed to be wondering about that part because
Speaker 2: it's distracting us from something they are showing us on screen, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I think that's especially in these types of movies,
Speaker 2: it's always pretty propus.
Speaker 1: And the mcguffin in this one being called Eve's Apple.
Speaker 1: I absolutely, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's but but the thing is, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's a true mcguffin because we kind of got an
Speaker 2: answer on that. Yeah, at the end of the film.
Speaker 2: The mcguffin is something where you literally you're like, hey,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what what the hell happened with that?
Speaker 1: See, you know I've always used that term because you've
Speaker 1: told me that before. I think I've used the term
Speaker 1: wrong my entire life. Like, to me, a mcguffin was
Speaker 1: always like, like if to bring it back into Avengers. In
Speaker 1: the original Avengers, it was the test erect, like, we
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's just like a thing. It's blue.
Speaker 1: Trust me, it's dangerous. You want to go get it?
Speaker 1: Like to me, that was always what a mcguffin was.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize there had to be an aura of like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like more like yeah, a briefcase and.
Speaker 2: Like look it up sometimes it Hitchcock explains it better
Speaker 2: than I could. Yeah, and along with how it got
Speaker 2: its original name. But he's like, this is something that's
Speaker 2: that's you think is a plot device the whole time,
Speaker 2: and you're wondering about it. But in the end, it
Speaker 2: really doesn't mean anything in terms of the larger message
Speaker 2: and story. Yeah, you know so, so I would say
Speaker 2: that Eve's Apple was I don't know when.
Speaker 1: Did we find out about it? Half hour into it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe even a little longer at least like we learned
Speaker 1: about it literally like they have to talk about the
Speaker 1: fortune and like they kind of which was.
Speaker 2: Kind of cool too because you had several mysteries being
Speaker 2: told in this ye who killed the guy? Like, w
Speaker 2: who is the murder? Where is Eve's Apple?
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? The apple of apple?
Speaker 2: Where is Eve's Apple?
Speaker 1: Right? So?
Speaker 2: And ben Wan Blanc like and we you don't really
Speaker 2: know that he's doing it, which is another pretty cool
Speaker 2: thing about this movie and the way that Daniel Craig
Speaker 2: portrays his character and how Ryan Johnson brought brought out
Speaker 2: the best in this character. He's where he's dude, he
Speaker 2: we're we're at least me, You're you're probably playing chess.
Speaker 2: I was playing checkers. You were playing chess. Ben Wan
Speaker 2: Blanc is doing three D chess yea. And because he's
Speaker 2: working on so many different angles to this.
Speaker 1: He's like a Southern Colombo, like he plays it off
Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what's good, but he knows, like
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's just trying to find.
Speaker 2: Even when he said he's like, yeah, I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't explain this, he.
Speaker 1: Knew, Yeah, well, was it bloc pooned by? Was the
Speaker 1: video poned? It's owned with a P Yeah? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he brought that up in the Yeah, I forgot about
Speaker 1: that the YouTubers. Yeah, because he was admitting he couldn't
Speaker 1: he couldn't solved.
Speaker 2: But like so one of the characters basically is constantly.
Speaker 1: He's an influence, an influencer.
Speaker 2: He's constantly youtubing everything and putting it out there. And
Speaker 2: that's why this.
Speaker 1: With a spin on it whips always nobody's down. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: He had his own agenda there as well, did you
Speaker 1: because you started off bringing it up? Was the southern
Speaker 1: accent jarring to you? Like did you buy it? Yes?
Speaker 2: But but then I was like, god, I should have
Speaker 2: seen the first two because I don't because I saw
Speaker 2: trailers for.
Speaker 1: Glass Onion and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess I didn't really I went I
Speaker 2: don't really remember him having a southern accent, and he
Speaker 2: damn well did not dress at least the stuff I
Speaker 2: saw in the first two trailers, like he dressed in
Speaker 2: this movie, and I'm like, is what is this?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is this it's like a different Ben wa Blanc universe?
Speaker 1: Where is this? You know?
Speaker 2: Very distinguished, fashionable, southern gay man.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: Where is he from original?
Speaker 1: At least if they if they announce it, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't recall from the I saw the first one
Speaker 1: one time, like on a whim, like to date myself.
Speaker 1: I think I read boxed it, so like that should
Speaker 1: tell you around what era I was watching this movie.
Speaker 2: So Daniel Craig, I'll say this about him, that dude,
Speaker 2: like we just at least I just associate James Bond
Speaker 2: with him. Yeah, but man was he He is a
Speaker 2: good actor.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. And as someone who's never
Speaker 1: seen a Bond movie the whole way through, I associate
Speaker 1: him more with Ben Blanc than I do James obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think, like, name another Daniel Craig
Speaker 2: movie besides this. Yeah, Okay, so the one that I
Speaker 2: come back to is Munich and Munich is I.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have even remembered he.
Speaker 2: Was in that he and and I will say that
Speaker 2: that movie, it's it's pretty intense, it's pretty long, but
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. And he kind of plays this like
Speaker 2: very what's the proper term for.
Speaker 1: Knee jerk, very immediate.
Speaker 2: He he is a gung hole, like a gung hole
Speaker 2: type character in that movie. So I've seen him do that.
Speaker 2: I've seen him play the calm and cool bond and
Speaker 2: now this ultra smart southern gentleman like it's and he's
Speaker 2: British or English or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're forgetting the elephant in the room. He also dressed
Speaker 1: up as a cowboy and fought aliens. Oh yeah, cowboys
Speaker 1: are sitting on the tree. Let's not lose the forest
Speaker 1: through the trees here. He was in one of the
Speaker 1: shitty uh Angelina Joe Lee tomb Raiders.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of the villains in that. That's
Speaker 1: all I got. Yeah, and he and Logan Lucky. I
Speaker 1: never saw it. He might. Yeah, that's what all those
Speaker 1: racing movies did. You watch me try and push my
Speaker 1: glasses right there? That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: You were just burying your face in your hands like
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: I went to push my glass. They're not there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so so he was great. I thought Glenn Close
Speaker 2: was very good in this movie as well. And I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think of the other. Oh, Josh O'Connor, let's
Speaker 2: talk about him. Yeah, so I mentioned this to you.
Speaker 2: I might have mentioned on.
Speaker 1: The last what you might call it off topic.
Speaker 2: I did not know who this guy was either, Okay,
Speaker 2: so maybe I didn't tell you this story. I didn't
Speaker 2: know who this guy was. And so when I'm looking
Speaker 2: at who is hosting SNL oh he did. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: told you this, And I went on wikiped I'm like,
Speaker 2: who is Josh O'Connor, And then I see it was
Speaker 2: purple because I clicked his name previously on that browser.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why because he was in Knives Out.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the at the thing right now, at
Speaker 1: the filmography, and I don't want to assume for you,
Speaker 1: But no, nothing, there's a single thing there has seen
Speaker 1: a lot of movies there.
Speaker 2: There is one thing on there. It's probably close. It
Speaker 2: was some like criminal movie. He was the lead in it.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name. But if you're on the page,
Speaker 2: the mastermind Mind that's what it was. Came out this year.
Speaker 2: Not familiar with yeah, and and it's like the cast
Speaker 2: was okay in that, but he was the lead in
Speaker 2: that as well. So I think he's kind of taking off.
Speaker 2: He's going to get something in, you know, Fast and
Speaker 2: Furious or Marvel or something like he's on that path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, but he.
Speaker 2: Was And he was really good hosting SNL too.
Speaker 1: He was very good in this. He plays like a
Speaker 1: very conflicted because he's a violent individual who's kind of
Speaker 1: given over his life faith.
Speaker 2: And we found out he can be a bit of
Speaker 2: a drunk, which was integral to the to the storyline
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, I thought he was.
Speaker 1: Great and solid range and the I just I always
Speaker 1: marvel at these uh actors from across the pond that
Speaker 1: can pull off an American accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeming seemingly so effortless.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think the whole cast did a very
Speaker 1: good job because when it when there's religious overtones, you
Speaker 1: could go too far in either direction and your cast
Speaker 1: very quickly. And he Josh O'Connor, gives an explanation for
Speaker 1: why he chose the path that he's on that I've
Speaker 1: never heard like in real life life or in another
Speaker 1: movie about why you thinks it's important and I won't
Speaker 1: get into what he said here, but I I thought
Speaker 1: it was a great idea, and I think the religious
Speaker 1: overtones added an extra element and even dabbles in the
Speaker 1: spiritual at times. Do you think that turned people off?
Speaker 1: I would hope not. I don't know. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is I believe Catholic.
Speaker 2: This was a Catholic fa Now I'm Lutheran, which is
Speaker 2: funny because Lutherans and Catholics basically believe almost exactly the
Speaker 2: same stuff, yet we hate each other, which I think
Speaker 2: is hilarious.
Speaker 1: Right, So so for.
Speaker 2: Me, I don't and like any time, like, I'm not
Speaker 2: offended as a Christian when liberties are taken with Christianity.
Speaker 1: Movie. It's just that, Hey, it's the world we live in.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get bent out of shape it, you know.
Speaker 2: And everybody's got a different viewpoint on it, so I
Speaker 2: respect that. So for me, this was just not It didn't.
Speaker 2: It did not register for me, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: how it would register for somebody like you or other
Speaker 2: people in this movie. Apparently it didn't. It didn't really
Speaker 2: turn anybody off.
Speaker 1: And because of the race, the reviews and I was
Speaker 1: even looking from the given the soup that I swim in,
Speaker 1: I'm like, are they going to portray this like some
Speaker 1: kind of backwoods you know, oh rapidity? And they they
Speaker 1: paid it the necessary respect while not going too far over.
Speaker 1: I thought it was that perfect blend. You don't get
Speaker 1: over ninety percent approval by people if you if you
Speaker 1: go too far one way or the other.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you know what was wild about this
Speaker 2: is so this was rural ups I'm assuming upstate New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, Uh, the people, the characters in this were
Speaker 1: not rural people. No.
Speaker 2: You had a famous author as one of the characters,
Speaker 2: a very successful attorney right as one of one of
Speaker 2: the characters, a doctor, and and they all seemed very
Speaker 2: well to do, like city folk almost ben and and
Speaker 2: they were they were all in this rural setting. So
Speaker 2: I think that that that's another thing too, that.
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig was more Craig was more country than they were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I mean I thought that was interesting
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then a YouTube influencer for God's Yea as one
Speaker 2: of them too.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's what stuck out to me,
Speaker 1: like there was a remake of the two thousand movie
Speaker 1: Cabin Fever, real yeah, real quick.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know there was a remake. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we have to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost like you said, Jeff Bridges again, Josh,
Speaker 1: same initials too.
Speaker 2: That's another thing that's.
Speaker 1: Always mix them up with Pierce Bras and go ahead.
Speaker 2: You think that he's like this country preacher and then
Speaker 2: he's confessing, Yeah to Josh O'Connor's character and some of
Speaker 2: the stuff he's confessed, Like, Okay, this guy is not
Speaker 2: a country No.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, if you were interested in his masturbation habits, this
Speaker 1: is the perfect movie for you. Yes. Uh. In the
Speaker 1: the remake, it's literally.
Speaker 2: A like Cavin Fever, I did like quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Me too, And this is a line for line remake.
Speaker 1: They didn't change a single thing, but yeah, no, not
Speaker 1: the same cast. But the casting is what stuck out
Speaker 1: to me because it's the first time. It's not the
Speaker 1: last time, but it's the first time I remember seeing
Speaker 1: a movie where they have a guy who's built like me,
Speaker 1: scraggly hair, clearly like the Dweeby character of the group.
Speaker 1: There's always a Dweebye character. He was like the antagonist
Speaker 1: Bowley person, whereas like everybody who you would think would
Speaker 1: fit the archtype was actually playing a different character interesting,
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, this is off putting
Speaker 1: at times, but it actually kind of makes it interesting
Speaker 1: because you're seeing different people in different through a different
Speaker 1: light and it worked for you. Yes, And that's and like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I noticed it. When did this come
Speaker 1: out twenty sixteen? I want to say wow, And like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I noticed it. But now that we're
Speaker 1: talking about it, none of these people felt like your
Speaker 1: traditional small parish, small town churchgoers. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why maybe the overtones didn't resonate as much, because it
Speaker 1: didn't fit into some kind of box. No pun intended it.
Speaker 1: It felt like its own unique thing, and I think
Speaker 1: it was a very human portrayal of it. And I
Speaker 1: didn't consider that until you brought up Yeah, it does
Speaker 1: feel like a bunch of city people went to a
Speaker 1: church in the in the.
Speaker 2: That's how you get any people to care about this movie? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess because I think the characters in one and
Speaker 2: two they're all pretty well to do obviously.
Speaker 1: The second one one, yeah, and one I can tell
Speaker 1: you they are Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the second one, isn't there a big fortune
Speaker 2: up for grabs and it's all believes.
Speaker 1: I'm picturing gal Gadot because that one line she delivers
Speaker 1: is infamous enough Champagne to fill denial and it's like
Speaker 1: one of the but she's very ornate in that scene,
Speaker 1: So I probably I haven't seen the second one.
Speaker 2: This one, I guess there's a huge treasure or or
Speaker 2: financial Yeah, sure aspect as.
Speaker 1: Well, but no one is nearly as well off as
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why it's eve Zapple, right. It's the temptation,
Speaker 1: yeah of it. So like I loved it. I thought
Speaker 1: that was solid, but yeah, great flick knives out four?
Speaker 1: Are you in or out? Yeah? And I think the
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about this is is it could go forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you'll only need one character and if I mean,
Speaker 1: God forbid, like Daniel.
Speaker 2: Listen, at some point they're going to introduce a younger.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He could get too old or
Speaker 1: pass away in real life, and you just put somebody
Speaker 1: else in there, and you can just keep this role
Speaker 1: into infinity. It's Daniel Craig does great. I don't want
Speaker 1: to minimize what he does, but it's not like it's
Speaker 1: irreplaceable either. Yeah, and so you could do these movies forever.
Speaker 1: I'd be there. Not only am I there for Knives
Speaker 1: Out four, I'm here for Knives Out seven, as long
Speaker 1: as they keep the mysteries good and the quality is Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Ryan Johnson does Knives Out and he also does
Speaker 2: American Horror Story, I believe. And then what else is
Speaker 2: did he do a Star Wars movie?
Speaker 1: Yes, the the most the eighth one, like that's like
Speaker 1: the most controversial one. One was the most controversial one.
Speaker 1: Well only because the eighth one sets stuff on like
Speaker 1: the ninth one essentially had to counteract. And again it
Speaker 1: does go back to woken this, but I can tell
Speaker 1: you as someone who that doesn't bother. I saw the
Speaker 1: eighth Star Wars in theaters with a huge Star Wars fan,
Speaker 1: a guy I worked with, became good friends with at
Speaker 1: the time. We haven't spoken in years. We go and
Speaker 1: see it Sunday morning. First movie you go to. It's
Speaker 1: actually cheaper if you go at like ten o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning on Sunday, So we go check it out.
Speaker 1: And they also during that movie they had a trailer
Speaker 1: for Infinity War because that hadn't come out yet. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And so everyone at work on Monday is like, how
Speaker 1: good was Star Wars Last Hope? And all you were
Speaker 1: talking about was that I said the most exciting part
Speaker 1: of the movie was Infinity War and he got He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I'm like, dude, the movie was dry. I didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't do it for me. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that loved it, a lot of people that
Speaker 1: hate it, and in some ways that's a good movie.
Speaker 2: I think I brought this up with you before too.
Speaker 2: I watched I rented a couple of movies, rented movies
Speaker 2: Ben on videotape, Preach way back in the Day, Love It.
Speaker 2: I was at my girlfriend now wife's wife's house, and
Speaker 2: I gave her a choice. I'm like, hey, one of these,
Speaker 2: because I always stay up later than her. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch one of these after you go to bed.
Speaker 2: You have your choice of which one. We watched together,
Speaker 2: and uh, we watched Napoleon Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice. And then I watched Open Water, which I
Speaker 1: think I've told you about.
Speaker 2: You know open Water?
Speaker 1: Of course, did I tell you the story? I think
Speaker 1: so hit me with it.
Speaker 2: The punchline is open Water was the best movie I
Speaker 2: saw that. Yes, I did not Napoleon Dynamite, another cult classic.
Speaker 2: Probably should love it, I don't get. I don't get
Speaker 2: why people love it.
Speaker 1: True story. I saw it one time. I did laugh,
Speaker 1: I did find it funny. I have not seen it
Speaker 1: since that time that I saw it. I never went
Speaker 1: back for a second Viewing is someone that will watch
Speaker 1: things multiple times over. I never saw Napoleon Dynamite. I
Speaker 1: saw open Water a second time, and I didn't particularly
Speaker 1: like it either time. No, the part that ruins it
Speaker 1: for me. For open Water, I can't watch the first
Speaker 1: whatever it is, hour fifteen. Yeah, I just once they're.
Speaker 2: Floating in the water and they and then that first
Speaker 2: shark rubs by him. That's the only part I care about.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't care about the guy realizing they left
Speaker 1: him out there. I don't care about the whole build
Speaker 1: up that the woman in that movie smoking hot, and
Speaker 1: I believe there's a sex scene in that movie too,
Speaker 1: which is great. But the whole movie for me is
Speaker 1: the end when they're floating in the water. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So now open Water I can't rewatch except for the
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes, which I'd argue you basically just described
Speaker 1: the Blair Witch Project that movie. That's a That's another
Speaker 1: good thing.
Speaker 2: Too, like you can only take that suspense when you
Speaker 2: know what's happening. You can only take that suspense like
Speaker 2: once or twice and then that's like okay.
Speaker 1: Oh, one more tangent, then we can wrap it up.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Memento? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Memento a second time? Don't because
Speaker 3: I want to die. My brain was scrambled the first time.
Speaker 3: And then I feel like if I would have watched
Speaker 3: it a second time knowing like how it quote ends, sure,
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's two and a half hours of very very dry movie.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was two and a half home yes,
Speaker 1: and when you know the ending. I showed it to
Speaker 1: my friends in college and they all loved it, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to jump off something by the end because
Speaker 1: I knew where it was. Chopher Nolan, Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1: It was I think his second or maybe even his first, No,
Speaker 1: because he had some insomnia with al Pacino came out first.
Speaker 1: It was a second movie, and I mean that's how
Speaker 1: you get that note direct insomnia.
Speaker 2: That does not feel like a Christopher Norman.
Speaker 1: I think he did. I hope I'm not mising remembering that,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure. I feel like because after I
Speaker 1: saw Memento, I remember googling, like, I need to see
Speaker 1: every movie this guy's ever done, I think.
Speaker 2: But yes, and I think Nolan was like, Okay, now
Speaker 2: I have carte blanche to do whatever I want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people are gonna pay me. Yes they did that. What's Dunkirk?
Speaker 2: Weird movie but cool? Yeah, Inception and then Tennett with uh.
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen that. Actually, it's available on Netflix.
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: You're probably smart enough to like it.
Speaker 1: See I've heard. I really got to pay attention to
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot of stuff going on where
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure that like Kenneth I think Kenneth
Speaker 2: Branas in that movie too, the Gold Woman from.
Speaker 1: Gold Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know who plays her, but I know she's in this film.
Speaker 2: John David Washington, John John H. Dezel, Washington's kid, He's
Speaker 2: great in it. But yeah, there's a lot. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I think it was a cool ending.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. Oh sure, yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: of course next year we will be doing the first weekend.
Speaker 1: It comes out of childhood. Favored of mine is The Odyssey,
Speaker 1: so we absolutely Christopher Nolan's getting the Yeah, with Toby
Speaker 1: maguire or not Toby McGuire, Tom Holland, and uh wasn't
Speaker 1: Andrew Garfield? Yeah right now. No, But there's a there's
Speaker 1: two or three other people in the cast as well
Speaker 1: that stick out. But as a kid, there was a
Speaker 1: Charlton Heston version of that movie that was like three
Speaker 1: hours long, and I would just watch it over and
Speaker 1: over and over, like he's gonna knock that ship out
Speaker 1: of the park, especially if he does like a grounded
Speaker 1: version like he did with Batman. I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: see what he decides to do. I want to say,
Speaker 1: is John Brenhal on them? I don't. Maybe I'm missing
Speaker 1: maybe I'm mixing that home John ber Yeah, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm mixing that up with Spider Man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's in yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I found out Sadie Sink, who's in Stranger Things,
Speaker 2: is being cast in that Spider which comes out in July.
Speaker 1: Am I remember, Yeah, I believe. Yeah, Like, well, we're
Speaker 1: we're finally getting out of the end of your months
Speaker 1: and we're gonna start getting into some releases again here.
Speaker 1: But there's a ton of ship coming out next year
Speaker 1: that I'm very excited about. Have you, by the way,
Speaker 1: you buying into this Avatar not an avatar? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not an avatar guy either.
Speaker 2: I watched the trailer and I'm like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess I can see why it's cool, but I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not.
Speaker 1: Did you see that during the the NFL Sunday they
Speaker 1: were advertised? I was like, this is by far the best,
Speaker 1: Like it's not even a close.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, but that's that's what the part.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it, I get it. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, very rarely. Oh, Matt Damon's in
Speaker 1: in the freaking yeah. Robert Pattinson, Elliott Page, z Daya,
Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway, John Barenthal, Berenthal is in it. Okay, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be cool.
Speaker 2: Who's playing Homer? Is that Tom Holland?
Speaker 1: No, he is playing Telemachus, and Odysseus is by uh
Speaker 1: is Matt Damon?
Speaker 2: So Homer? I thought was Homer wrote?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He wrote, he wrote it, Odysseus iss Damon.
Speaker 1: It's the honesty. Like that's where the time literally comes.
Speaker 2: See this listen as far as like stuff I actually
Speaker 2: did learn in school, Yeah, it has been a long
Speaker 2: time and I have forgotten a lot of that.
Speaker 1: But like it's cool because like if you saw Troy, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the last the last ten minutes of that movie
Speaker 1: is the first ten minutes of the Odyssey, got it,
Speaker 1: So you actually see this wait Odysseus in I think
Speaker 1: it was a throw, yeah, but you see him like
Speaker 1: crafting the tiny horse like in the background doing the things,
Speaker 1: so they kind of lean into it. And in the uh,
Speaker 1: you remember when Hector and Brad Pitt and Achilles are
Speaker 1: fighting in the in the scene and it's like one
Speaker 1: of the best choreographed scenes I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: life in The Odyssey with Charlton Heston. That fight happens,
Speaker 1: and uh, and Hector's this six foot ten massive guy,
Speaker 1: and it's more like the first fight in Troy, Like
Speaker 1: it's over in six seconds. Achilles just throws a spear,
Speaker 1: kills them. Scenes over, We're moving on to the next thing.
Speaker 1: It goes to show you how Hollywood has changed in
Speaker 1: forty years because it's so stylish in that in the
Speaker 1: more recent contemporary one. But that's what I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1: But that's enough of a Chris Nolan fan fest here
Speaker 1: for one day.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, let's let's get into.
Speaker 1: Ratings. Yeah, eight, I think I'm we go eight borderline
Speaker 1: eight and a half. Yeah, I didn't think you'd be
Speaker 1: that high.
Speaker 2: I'm actually an eight on this as well, and I
Speaker 2: don't think it's It's an eight and a half for me,
Speaker 2: and it probably should be because this had all the
Speaker 2: elements of stuff I like, good cast, smart writing, not
Speaker 2: too smart where I can't follow it, and still some
Speaker 2: some not one but multiple reveals towards the end of
Speaker 2: this movie, which was really cool. And I guess you
Speaker 2: know what, I will go eight and a half because
Speaker 2: I don't know why else I can't. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't have a good reason of rating it lower than
Speaker 2: you on this, So this was great. I'm excited for
Speaker 2: and I don't I mean, I don't. I would assume
Speaker 2: that they're going to do another one at some point.
Speaker 2: When was when did two come out?
Speaker 1: Four years ago? That feels like a COVID era film
Speaker 1: to me. Let's see. Okay, so then that would be five,
Speaker 1: and then when did the first one come out? Too?
Speaker 2: Was like, how many years before a glass onion did?
Speaker 1: Ns Onion was twenty two?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was three years ago. And then the
Speaker 2: original Knives out was what year nineteen? So every three years,
Speaker 2: so we should get one in twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I'll take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Daniel Craig will still be looking good enough
Speaker 2: to play Ben will Blanc if he wants to. That
Speaker 2: dude famously hated playing James Bond. Yes, so I don't
Speaker 2: know if he'll have the same take, but.
Speaker 1: This feels more artistically expressive. Yes, then Bond.
Speaker 2: Movie, you don't have to be in super good six
Speaker 2: pack abs shape to do it.
Speaker 1: You're playing a character like I feel like James Bond
Speaker 1: is just playing himself, but like with Fancy Gadget as
Speaker 1: a robot, yeah yeah, whereas this is like it's I
Speaker 1: don't want to say flamboyant, but there is an element
Speaker 1: to flamboyant. There's much more, there's much more range you
Speaker 1: can you can take this week. I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: excited for you to see the first one because he
Speaker 1: really like.
Speaker 2: All right, So so I have to see the first two.
Speaker 1: I mean I I I the second one as well.
Speaker 1: We'll reconvene in three weeks.
Speaker 2: I am going to I have to. I'm waiting through
Speaker 2: Stranger Things. And my mom sent me a text today
Speaker 2: she's worried about my twelve year old son watching season
Speaker 2: four and season five, which apparently are much more adult themed,
Speaker 2: with with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I should be.
Speaker 2: If you're I should be worried about this, then maybe.
Speaker 1: I should be. I'm not saying you should be worried.
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're more adult themed.
Speaker 2: So you would obviously let my if it was your
Speaker 2: twelve year old son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead. You want to know a funny story
Speaker 1: to wrap up, because we're calling it a year after
Speaker 1: this one exactly because you always give me this crap,
Speaker 1: because I want you to see the variations of things.
Speaker 1: I worked with a guy on a country station. His
Speaker 1: name was Broadway in Pittsburgh, and he had sons ten
Speaker 1: and eight years old, and Infinity War had just come out,
Speaker 1: and he said, can I take a ten and eight
Speaker 1: year old to see Infinity War? What's your answer? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: I say yes. I'm like, yeah, some things get a
Speaker 1: little heavy, but it's all comic book fanfair, it's nothing
Speaker 1: you haven't seen before. Comes into work the next day,
Speaker 1: livid that I told him that it was okay for
Speaker 1: his kids to see it. You want to know what
Speaker 1: stuck out to him with the dust. Nope, no, you would.
Speaker 1: I think if I gave you ten guesses and you
Speaker 1: know the movie, well, I don't think you'd say what
Speaker 1: it is. When the Guardians first interact with Thanos and
Speaker 1: he's the floating bodies in space, Nope, he's holding de
Speaker 1: Mora and Peter Quill points a gun at Thana's and
Speaker 1: he says, I swear to God, I will blow that
Speaker 1: nut seck of a chin off your face. And he
Speaker 1: looks at me and he goes, really, Ben, you thought
Speaker 1: it was okay for my kids to hear nut sck
Speaker 1: and I would have gotten that. So we're all on
Speaker 1: different ranges of this spectrum.
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna go with like, oh, he actually
Speaker 2: fires the weapon.
Speaker 1: Yeah No, No, it was the word nuts and apparently,
Speaker 1: and like as it did with you, it didn't even
Speaker 1: register with me that that happened. I moved on to
Speaker 1: the next line of dialogue immediately, So like what I
Speaker 1: let what I let my kids see stranger things. For
Speaker 1: of course I would. If you wouldn't have told me
Speaker 1: someone told you that it was more, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: She sent me like some stuff on the internet where
Speaker 2: people and so again it's in the eye of the beholder.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm about to binge the Dairy Show over
Speaker 1: Christmas Break on HBO. It's Johnny Geord's and he told
Speaker 1: me that the finale goes so freaking hard. Do you
Speaker 1: need to watch the I assume so it is a prequel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I assume and I know probably what happens in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen like the remake and the second one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have seen it that I'm intending
Speaker 1: to go into it. But that's We're off for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. That's why we're telling you what we're
Speaker 1: doing for the next couple.
Speaker 2: So no no show next week, for during Christmas week,
Speaker 2: no show, New year Year's week.
Speaker 1: We will reconvene. I believe it is January the seventh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will do it. And we don't know what
Speaker 2: we're doing yet. Avatar, Oh, we're doing Avatar. Okay, unless
Speaker 2: you got a better idea.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm asking you. Yeah, and so that's fine.
Speaker 2: So now so now I got to watch two Glass
Speaker 2: two Knives out. Yeah, I have to watch Freaking the
Speaker 2: Water to watch one Avatar. I watched the first one.
Speaker 1: I refuse to rewatch the first one. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to rewatch that one watching the first one. Much like
Speaker 1: Napoleon Diamondite. Once was enough, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I would, well, once was enough. After I saw it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't really need to see that, but
Speaker 2: I did need to see it.
Speaker 1: Did see it in theaters? No, I rented it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I meant Avatar? Oh Avatar? I did? Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: that didn't make you like it? You saw in three
Speaker 1: D yes, and you know what? And now I'm embarrassed
Speaker 1: to admit this. Two different times. I fell asleep in
Speaker 1: that movie two different times. Well, it's a long movie.
Speaker 1: It's not particularly exciting for the first two hours and
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: My wife I saw it with my brother in law
Speaker 2: and my wife was with his wife and his ex wife.
Speaker 2: Now they were at a Rascal Flats concert in Green Bay,
Speaker 2: and we went to see Avatar. And I do not
Speaker 2: like country music.
Speaker 1: And there was a couple of times, like, God, I
Speaker 1: wish I was at that concert right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just it's just it's so long. Apparently
Speaker 2: I'm racist against blue people. Yeah, it was hard for
Speaker 2: me to care.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a shot because of the technical you know,
Speaker 2: the cinematography and everything, like whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about this. I'll take your word for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's not my word, it's my gun. I'm taking
Speaker 1: your gut for you. Yeah, okay, that's fulky. I'm been
Speaker 1: We got to call it a show here. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you guys in the new year.