WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.799 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:05.679 not intended for all audiences. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:08.480 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:17.079 All right, and what then? What did you actually find? 5 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:22.839 It looks like it looks like the back in the 6 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:27.160 butt in an arm? 7 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:27.679 What is this? 8 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:27.839 What? 9 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.719 Where's the show? Where's the fucking show? Put out the 10 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:33.479 fucking show? 11 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:34.039 What is this? 12 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:34.520 Nightmare? 13 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.600 Shit? What is this? AI? 14 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.560 What is this garbage? Your shit sucks? Put out the show. 15 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:45.000 Put it out. Put it out. Now, you just put 16 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.399 out one, you fucking scammer. You're not even fucking put 17 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:50.560 it out the show every day, You fucking a piece 18 00:00:50.600 --> 00:01:00.200 of shit. Welcome to episode three fifty seven sword Scale. 19 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.480 So if you go to our homepage swordscale dot com, 20 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:18.359 there's a brand new show called Tales. It's an animated 21 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:23.159 true crime podcast thing. I mean I call it a 22 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.879 thing because we invented it. There's nothing like it, at 23 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.400 least I don't think there is. Go check it out. 24 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.799 We would really like some feedback. And as an artist it, 25 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.959 you know, it's nice to hear what you think the audience. 26 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.519 Just try to be nice about it and don't tell me. 27 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:40.040 I just stick to what I'm good at because that 28 00:01:40.760 --> 00:02:16.000 kills any kind of creativity. It's early April at Warnemont Park, Wisconsin. 29 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:21.039 It's around lunchtime and the wind is whipping off Lake Michigan, 30 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:26.039 as it usually does. The grass above the bluff is 31 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:30.240 still flattened from the winter. The golf course sign rattles 32 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.960 in the background. Below the hill. The waves of Lake 33 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.080 Michigan beat steadily against the rock and sand. Lake Michigan 34 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.400 stretches for more than three hundred miles from north to south. 35 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.639 It's early April and the water temperature is typically just 36 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:53.280 above freezing. Even on calmer days, the wind pushes surface 37 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.639 currents parallel to the shore. Two young men are walking 38 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:01.280 near the bluff. They aren't looking for anything. They're just 39 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.680 moving along the edge of the park, glancing down towards 40 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:08.639 the shoreline the way people do. The winter weather has 41 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.879 broken and they're enjoying the walk and conversation, even though 42 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.919 it's still brisk out below them. The land drops towards 43 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.520 the shoreline. It's a steep incline of dirt, grass and 44 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.680 scattered rock. They take the path down to the sandy 45 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:30.360 beach and start walking. Their footprints follow behind them. Then 46 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:34.240 one of them notices something on the slope. It isn't 47 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.919 at the bottom near the water. It's lodged part way 48 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.599 up the bluff, about two thirds of the way up 49 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.479 from the shoreline. Whatever it is is caught in the 50 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:49.120 grass and loose soil. At first, it just looks like debris, 51 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:54.280 but debris would be in pieces, and this is one 52 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:59.639 large mass. As they walk closer wondering what it is, 53 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:05.400 maybe a large fish of some sort, the shape resolves. 54 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:13.919 It's not debris, it's not aquatic. It's pretty horrifying. Actually 55 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:20.480 a foot with five toes. The toenails are painted neon pink. 56 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.959 Now it's clear the foot is attached to a human leg. 57 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:33.040 The lower portion is unshaven. The skin appears smooth. There 58 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:38.000 are no visible tattoos, no visible scars. The foot is 59 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:43.000 facing west, the top of the thigh facing east. The 60 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.639 upper portion of the leg has been severed just below 61 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:50.120 the ball of the thigh bone. Flesh and bone are exposed, 62 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.560 but there's no blood. The skin at the cut edge 63 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:59.759 forms a jagged, almost Z shaped pattern. The thigh bone 64 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:04.279 its self appears partially cut through. For a moment, neither 65 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:10.759 man speaks, but they exchange shocked expressions. The wind continues, 66 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:13.920 then one of them pulls out his phone. 67 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:15.399 Okay, where in. 68 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.759 One of my park are you by the time? 69 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:19.360 Where by the time by the golf course? 70 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.319 Okay, what's going on there? 71 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.480 Oh no, we just the lake the west, down by 72 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:27.839 the whole lake on the quay. 73 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:29.439 Follow what down there? 74 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.040 Wor a worse human worst? 75 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:33.639 Okay? 76 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:37.600 Then we found that leg. 77 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:42.519 Dude had team's his own hell phont Oh, well they. 78 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.199 Can't for everyone on one it's been. 79 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.399 Walking down, sir, hold on a second, Milwaukee County. If 80 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.879 you guys have an officer and an ambulance to meet 81 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.959 these two gentlemen at the. 82 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:55.959 Parking lot by the golf course. 83 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.839 Apparently they found the leg down by the down by 84 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:00.279 the water. 85 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:06.279 Yeah, are you guys any people? 86 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:08.000 Yeah, we're a couple of deputies. 87 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.759 Okay, all right, all right, you're welcome. 88 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.040 Deputies arrive. But by this time the leg is shifted location. 89 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.879 It's not part way up the bluff where the men 90 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.959 first saw it. Now it rests near the base, closer 91 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.240 to the water line, and the waves are closing in 92 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.319 on it. One of them is forced to move it 93 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:32.879 carefully away from the water. 94 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.199 Guys, I forgot to ask you who who was the 95 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:37.480 one who actually called nine one one. 96 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.279 Wasn't you okay? 97 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.000 And then uh, when you guys initially seen the leg, 98 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:43.079 where was it? 99 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.399 It was just like on the beach. It was on 100 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.639 the beach. It wasn't up on the hill. 101 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:58.560 No, no, no, are they have fallen there? Since we 102 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.639 were in the clay on the bike pointed. 103 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:06.120 No, it's all good. 104 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:06.600 It's all good. 105 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.079 Like I said, you're not in trouble, dude, like any 106 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.279 like a little detail could possibly help. 107 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:12.519 So it was on the cliff and then it slid 108 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:13.079 down or. 109 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:18.519 Yeah, okay because when they got down there, he had 110 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.759 moved it from by the rock because it was I 111 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.000 was trying to point it by the cliff. 112 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.759 Because it was by the cliff, It's like, where is it? 113 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:28.680 And then we were walking and I looked down. 114 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.639 I'm like, oh, it's right there. He goes, oh shit. Okay, 115 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.959 all right, cool, all right, I'll be right back with 116 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:35.279 you guys. 117 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.240 Okay, all right, that was weird, right, not agreeing on 118 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.720 where you spotted a human leg, because yeah, that wouldn't 119 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.240 be burned into your memory forever. On that very same morning, 120 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.720 April second, twenty twenty four, the Milwaukee Fire Department response 121 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:53.839 to a vehicle fire in an alley behind a vacant 122 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.680 building near twenty ninth Street. The call comes in just 123 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:02.759 after sunrise. It's rain, the pavement is wet, and humidity 124 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.399 is high in the alleys. It's a blue twenty twenty 125 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:10.199 Honda Civic. Flames have already broken out and the car 126 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:16.160 is engulfed. Firefighters extinguish the car quickly, and police have 127 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:21.040 it towed to a secure impound lot. Later, investigators realized 128 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.360 the fire did not start in the engine bay or 129 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.959 the trunk. The damaged patterns are consistent with the fire 130 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.560 that started inside the passenger compartment. In the burned vehicle, 131 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.840 they find remnants of a fleece blanket and a purse. 132 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.120 A handheld bicklighter is found in the back seat. On 133 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:43.240 the front passenger floorboard, investigators find what's left of a 134 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.600 green stuffed animal. When they take it from the car, 135 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:52.000 they notice a strong odour consistent with petroleum distillate. The 136 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:57.840 report notes the odor is overwhelming. Surveillance cameras in the 137 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:02.279 area capture it in real time at approximately seven thirty am. 138 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.840 Footage from a nearby building shows an unknown individual walking 139 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.600 southbound from the direction of the vehicle fire In that 140 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.960 same footage, two women can be heard shouting he did it, 141 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:19.600 it's him, It's gonna explode. The figure continues walking southbound 142 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.600 and disappears from the frame. Back at the lake, officers 143 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.799 are still investigating the leg and wondering if this was 144 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.440 a boating accident or something else. 145 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.120 It makes it hard till I see where it came 146 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.440 from because of the weather. Yeah, you know what I mean. 147 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.159 It feels dry and might be able to see like 148 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.559 a path where it like slid down from what do you. 149 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.559 Say, like right off your fight a stick and foot. 150 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:44.399 So I don't think the waves will call that high. 151 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:46.399 So I don't think it lost. 152 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.080 Oh, I don't think so either. I don't think so either. 153 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:55.120 I'm thinking I'm gonna take a wild guest say it 154 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.399 was a dump job. Yeah, like they got stuck into 155 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.159 the crack and now it's the radar takes the sif 156 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.799 slide down, That's why I want to here he's come 157 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:06.960 down and be like, hey, yeah, there's a feaver bug here. 158 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:12.720 There's may the rest of the body. Otherwise I'll go 159 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:15.360 over there see if there's anything else. 160 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:19.600 Even at first glance, officers determined this was probably no 161 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:24.919 boating accident. This was a dump job. This was someone 162 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.759 dumping body parts over the cliffs and alongside the shoreline, 163 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.759 and the police combed the beach for days. Nothing else 164 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.519 surface there. They were no longer talking about the lake. 165 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.279 They were talking about a person whose body parts might 166 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:47.960 be scattered everywhere, and they were right. Two days later, 167 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.840 another piece of human flesh would fit the puzzle, this 168 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.039 time in a whole other state. 169 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.200 Another gruesome discovery along the shores of Lake Michigan, this 170 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.919 time in Waukegan, Illinois. The Lake County Corner says someone 171 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.000 walking the beach Saturday night found a human right arm, 172 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.919 believed to be a woman's. The coroner describes the arm 173 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.720 as quote mostly intact. 174 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.000 And another part of Milwaukee, a mother has been waiting 175 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.320 for her nineteen year old daughter to call. They last 176 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.759 spoke on April first, over FaceTime, and nothing about that 177 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.679 conversation suggested it would be the last time they would talk. 178 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.000 By April third, she hasn't heard from her, but this 179 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:32.759 is only slightly unusual. Her daughter is extremely busy, working 180 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:37.440 two jobs, including shifts at pizza Shuttle on Milwaukee's East Side. 181 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:42.639 She's also a student at Milwaukee Area Technical College. And 182 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.240 she has her own apartment in the Lower East Side. 183 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.600 A routine is complex. Some mornings start early with work, 184 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.360 some evenings and late, and classes fill up most of 185 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.200 the gaps. When she's not working or studying, she spends 186 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.279 time with her friend friends and tries to have a 187 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.919 romantic life. She's been balancing adulthood in real time. Like 188 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:12.120 the rest of us, paychecks, homework, rent, friendships. It wouldn't 189 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.600 have been unusual for her to miss a call to 190 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.759 text back later. It wouldn't have been out of the 191 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:22.080 question for a day to pass quickly, but two days, 192 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:29.000 two days felt different. Her phone has not responded, she 193 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:34.120 hasn't returned messages, no one has heard her voice. For 194 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.320 someone juggling two jobs in college, disappearing without a word 195 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:44.200 just doesn't fit. Friends have also noticed, all right. 196 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.279 Josh, So, Yeah, the reason I'm calling you is I'm 197 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:51.879 calling in regards to uh Soda Robinson And could you 198 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.440 just kind of like inform me how you know her 199 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.000 and when the last time you talked to her. 200 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.600 Yeah, We've been talking for like, i'd say, about a 201 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:06.639 month since I moved to Rochester, Minnesota. But I mean 202 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:11.080 I'm from Milwaukee, so I had met her before last weekend. 203 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.840 It was my birthday, so I came home for like 204 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.600 four days or whatever, and we ended up hanging out 205 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.919 multiple times. Saturday, I ended up staying at her place, 206 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.639 stayed till Sunday morning, and then I left. 207 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.159 I did some other things during the day whatever, hung 208 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:30.240 out with my family or whatever. 209 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.399 And then Sunday night it was Easter like I met 210 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:36.000 her little like. 211 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.200 Easter basket or whatever. 212 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.480 I brought it to her at her grandparents place, so 213 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:43.480 I met her family and everything. 214 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.559 And then Sunday night, I mean something that I saw. 215 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.960 Or at her grandparents stayed there for about an hour 216 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.399 and then I left, and then that was the last time. 217 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.279 I physically saw her. We were texting everything. 218 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:01.480 The last text I got from her was three twelve 219 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.559 pm on Monday, literally right before work. 220 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.480 She said, have a good day at work. 221 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.919 After that night, no one hears from her, no texts, 222 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:19.000 no calls, no explanation, and by the time her mother 223 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:23.320 has realized something is truly wrong, it has already been 224 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:29.440 two days. What investigators are facing isn't just a disappearance. 225 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:33.799 It's a human puzzle, and they don't yet know how 226 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:39.240 many pieces there are where they are or what happened 227 00:14:39.279 --> 00:15:13.159 to her, But their best guess is murder. On a 228 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:17.120 chilly afternoon in April of twenty twenty four, two young 229 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:22.000 men took a walk down to Warnemont Park near Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 230 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.360 As they make their way down the bluffs to the shoreline, 231 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.759 one of them caught sight of a gruesome piece of landscape, 232 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:33.519 a human leg caught in the weeds. One of them 233 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:38.279 described it as looking like a Mannikin's leg, smooth dark skin, 234 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.559 no blood whatsoever, only jagged pieces of rubbery flesh surrounding 235 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.519 tissue muscle, and a femur bone with sharp spiky edges. 236 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.440 The medical examiner would later testify about the force required 237 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:58.440 to break the bone and remove the limb. Deputies responded 238 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.960 and secured the area the leg had been lodged part 239 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.240 way down the slope above the reach of the waves. 240 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:10.200 That same morning, miles away in Milwaukee, a twenty twenty 241 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:14.960 hontasivic was found in gulfed in flames. Surveillance cameras captured 242 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.039 a figure walking southbound from the direction of the fire 243 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.120 just after seven thirty am, while two women shouted from 244 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:27.879 nearby as smoke filled the air. Two days later, along 245 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:33.360 the shoreline in Waukegan, Illinois, a human r washed ashore. 246 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:38.679 By then, what had looked like a single horrific find 247 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.960 along a Milwaukee bluff had stretched across state lines, and 248 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.000 in Milwaukee, a nineteen year old college student named Shade 249 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:53.919 Carlina Robinson had stopped answering her phone. Concerned friends and 250 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.600 family checked in with Chade's Life three sixty app, including 251 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.759 a best friend she'd known since grade school. 252 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.039 When you found out that Shade was missing, did you 253 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.160 ever check Life three sixty? 254 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:06.920 Yes? 255 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.079 Did you also have Find My Phone app? 256 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:11.799 Yes? 257 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:13.480 Is that a similar kind of service? 258 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:15.359 Yes, just through iPhone? 259 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.200 So once through iPhone to find my app, and then 260 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.759 there's a whole separate app Life three sixty right. 261 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.279 Yes, you shared your location with her on both yes? 262 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:31.799 When you contacted law enforcement, what information did you want 263 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:32.440 to provide them? 264 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:34.680 My last. 265 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.839 With the apps, her last locations that I had on 266 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:39.400 my phone. 267 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.359 Shade's mother and friends contacted officers for a welfare check, 268 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.440 but before anything else unfolded, her friends had already been 269 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.839 checking her social media. This is Josh again, the friend 270 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.200 Shahda had been talking to. 271 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.720 What I saw on her story was that she went 272 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:01.240 on o to like dukes on water. 273 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.079 Okay. Was it on Sunday or Monday? 274 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:05.200 Or what? Monday? 275 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.400 Monday? Okay? Did you see anybody in the photo at all? 276 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:09.519 No? 277 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.160 I just saw some palm coups. 278 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:12.039 Okay. 279 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:17.720 So the reason I'm calling is nobody has heard from 280 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:23.799 her since Monday, and she she's missing. So today's Friday 281 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:28.039 and we're trying to put some pieces of this puzzle together. 282 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:32.680 So is there any information that you could provide? 283 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.480 You had seen her story. She went out and was 284 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:43.039 meeting someone pretty normal. This wasn't out of character, It 285 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:43.880 wasn't alarming. 286 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:45.160 Yeah. 287 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.240 No, The last thing I know is that she went 288 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.720 out Monday night. She went drinking and she said something 289 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.319 about like I shouldn't do this again or stuff. I 290 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:57.640 didn't see anyone in the photo. 291 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:00.839 When you say she shouldn't do it again? What what 292 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:01.680 does she mean by that? 293 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:02.039 Like? 294 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.200 Was that snapchat? Was that a something like that? 295 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.079 Ja Day wasn't known to be a partier. Her friends 296 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:13.200 and family knew her to be a responsible young adult 297 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:18.079 with military lineage. Her grandfather was a retired US Navy 298 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.279 veteran and her uncle was a US Army veteran. Jade 299 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.440 herself had been considering joining the US Air Force and 300 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:30.400 was studying criminal justice with plans that included military service. 301 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:35.160 At the same time, she was a normal young adult 302 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:36.440 who liked to socialize. 303 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.400 Okay, what time was that at? 304 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:41.839 I say she went there after work? 305 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.880 Okay, so she was was that? Was that a text 306 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:50.240 message here? Or was that on her Snapchat or Instagram? 307 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:50.599 Okay? 308 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:51.319 Yes? 309 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.799 And that was at Duke's or was that different? Barer? 310 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:58.240 It was at Dukes, but I think she went somewhere else. 311 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.279 His friend Josh wasn't the only one to report she 312 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:05.759 was meeting someone, so did her best friend? 313 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.599 Do you remember her talking to you about a person 314 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:09.680 she had met at the bar? 315 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.640 I can't remember the place, but I remember she met somebody. 316 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.119 Would that have been the weekend prior? 317 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.359 Like with the dates, I can't remember the exact dates. 318 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.720 I just remember before this incident she told me about 319 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:28.279 some person who was but she met at a bar. 320 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.480 The bar part I can't remember. 321 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.119 Investigators would later retrace Schade's movements that night using phone data. 322 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.720 Her phone first left Pizza Shuttle, where she worked earlier 323 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.240 that day. It then traveled to a restaurant along the 324 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:50.559 Milwaukee River, the Twisted Fisherman. Surveillance cameras outside the restaurant 325 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:55.759 also captured Shade entering wearing a white top, black puffy 326 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.480 jacket and jeans. Later that night, the phone moved moved again, 327 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:05.480 this time to Dukes on Water, a busy bar on 328 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:10.000 Water Street. After that, the signal went south across the 329 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:14.759 city to a residence. Then in the early morning hours, 330 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:18.559 the phone traveled one last time towards the Lake Michigan 331 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:25.960 shoreline warn Amont Park. But at that point, investigators still 332 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.839 didn't know whose house Shade went to that night, and 333 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.839 they didn't know who she was meeting. So detectives dug 334 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.200 deeper with their friend Josh, and it turned out they 335 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.599 may have been more than friends. 336 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:48.640 I say, we were really good friends, like starting to 337 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.720 perform like a relationship, kind of like boyf and girlfriends. 338 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:52.759 Kind of thing. 339 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.079 Did you like go in a pizza shuttle and just 340 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.359 start talking to her. Is at the work you're referencing 341 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:58.519 pizza shuttle. 342 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.880 Yeah, she was as a register or whatever, And then 343 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:02.000 you're just getting. 344 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.680 The kind of just shot the crap, like we're like, yeah, 345 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.680 we're from Hartford or whatever. She's like, oh, I got 346 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:11.279 to go to Hartford and then we just kind of 347 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:12.079 talked for a little. 348 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.039 Bit from there, and then you got her number? 349 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:15.279 Yep. 350 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:17.839 Okay, did you give her your number? Or is she 351 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:18.559 gets your number? 352 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:21.519 I asked for hers? 353 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.559 Okay, I have kind of a personal question to ask you. 354 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.359 And I'm only saying this because I've interviewed her co 355 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:31.799 workers and some of her friends. 356 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:36.680 Did they? So here's what I'm trying to get some 357 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.079 pieces of this puzzle together. 358 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:40.839 And they keep referencing a guy and I don't know 359 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:43.599 if the guy is you or some other guy, but 360 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.319 did they ever refer to you as the virgin? 361 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:48.200 They did? 362 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.640 Poor Josh. Obviously, he and Shote hadn't had sex, even 363 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.640 though they'd been hanging out together, and the nickname pretty 364 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.160 much said it all. But Josh wasn't the one she 365 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:03.279 was meeting that night. 366 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.160 The thing is on Monday, April. 367 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.680 First, she works nine to five and then she goes 368 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:13.480 to the Twisted Fisherman with some other unknown guy and 369 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:14.960 that's the last time we see her. 370 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.480 And now I understand that she goes to Dukes. 371 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.079 We're trying to get surrealans video from that, but we're 372 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:22.440 trying to determine who this unknown guy is. 373 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.440 So was there, go ahead. 374 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:25.720 I have a question for you. 375 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.039 Do you so you kind of know what the unknown 376 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:28.559 guy looks like? 377 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:29.519 Uh? 378 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:30.079 Yeah? 379 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:32.279 Did you have a little bit longer here? 380 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:32.960 Yeah? 381 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:39.599 Oh shit, okay, so she was telling me that. 382 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.599 So when we went out. 383 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.839 Saturday night or whatever, you know, and then her friends 384 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.880 and everything, ohly shit, that's crazy. There was this one 385 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.599 guy was long hair, kind of looked kind. 386 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.240 Of like a hick a little bit, not too much. 387 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:55.839 But a little bit. 388 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:58.720 Yeah, And when we got there to kind of like tapt. 389 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.559 Hers, He's like, hey, shata and then she's like and 390 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:03.319 then obviously you know I was with her. 391 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.559 This is on Saturday, he said, No, okay, where. 392 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.920 Was that celebrate friend's birthday? 393 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:10.720 Okay? 394 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.359 He you know, I said hey or whatever. And then 395 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.039 you know, I was hanging out with her, met her 396 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:20.119 friends or whatever. So you know, they were talking or whatever. 397 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.759 We were having a good time. You know, we were 398 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:23.680 drinking or whatever. 399 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:24.400 Not that I mean. 400 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.200 I wasn't drinking because the night before it was my 401 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:29.799