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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: All right, and what then? What did you actually find?

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Speaker 4: It looks like it looks like the back in the

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butt in an arm?

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Speaker 1: What is this?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 1: Where's the show? Where's the fucking show? Put out the

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fucking show?

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Speaker 4: What is this?

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Speaker 1: Nightmare?

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Speaker 2: Shit? What is this? AI?

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Speaker 1: What is this garbage? Your shit sucks? Put out the show.

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Put it out. Put it out. Now, you just put

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out one, you fucking scammer. You're not even fucking put

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it out the show every day, You fucking a piece

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of shit. Welcome to episode three fifty seven sword Scale.

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So if you go to our homepage swordscale dot com,

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there's a brand new show called Tales. It's an animated

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true crime podcast thing. I mean I call it a

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thing because we invented it. There's nothing like it, at

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least I don't think there is. Go check it out.

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We would really like some feedback. And as an artist it,

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you know, it's nice to hear what you think the audience.

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Just try to be nice about it and don't tell me.

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I just stick to what I'm good at because that

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kills any kind of creativity. It's early April at Warnemont Park, Wisconsin.

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It's around lunchtime and the wind is whipping off Lake Michigan,

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as it usually does. The grass above the bluff is

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still flattened from the winter. The golf course sign rattles

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in the background. Below the hill. The waves of Lake

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Michigan beat steadily against the rock and sand. Lake Michigan

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stretches for more than three hundred miles from north to south.

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It's early April and the water temperature is typically just

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above freezing. Even on calmer days, the wind pushes surface

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currents parallel to the shore. Two young men are walking

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near the bluff. They aren't looking for anything. They're just

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moving along the edge of the park, glancing down towards

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the shoreline the way people do. The winter weather has

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broken and they're enjoying the walk and conversation, even though

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it's still brisk out below them. The land drops towards

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the shoreline. It's a steep incline of dirt, grass and

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scattered rock. They take the path down to the sandy

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beach and start walking. Their footprints follow behind them. Then

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one of them notices something on the slope. It isn't

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at the bottom near the water. It's lodged part way

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up the bluff, about two thirds of the way up

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from the shoreline. Whatever it is is caught in the

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grass and loose soil. At first, it just looks like debris,

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but debris would be in pieces, and this is one

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large mass. As they walk closer wondering what it is,

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maybe a large fish of some sort, the shape resolves.

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It's not debris, it's not aquatic. It's pretty horrifying. Actually

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a foot with five toes. The toenails are painted neon pink.

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Now it's clear the foot is attached to a human leg.

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The lower portion is unshaven. The skin appears smooth. There

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are no visible tattoos, no visible scars. The foot is

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facing west, the top of the thigh facing east. The

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upper portion of the leg has been severed just below

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the ball of the thigh bone. Flesh and bone are exposed,

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but there's no blood. The skin at the cut edge

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forms a jagged, almost Z shaped pattern. The thigh bone

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its self appears partially cut through. For a moment, neither

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man speaks, but they exchange shocked expressions. The wind continues,

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then one of them pulls out his phone.

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Speaker 6: Okay, where in.

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Speaker 3: One of my park are you by the time?

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Speaker 7: Where by the time by the golf course?

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Speaker 3: Okay, what's going on there?

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Speaker 8: Oh no, we just the lake the west, down by

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the whole lake on the quay.

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Speaker 3: Follow what down there?

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Speaker 4: Wor a worse human worst?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 9: Then we found that leg.

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Speaker 10: Dude had team's his own hell phont Oh, well they.

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Speaker 2: Can't for everyone on one it's been.

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Speaker 3: Walking down, sir, hold on a second, Milwaukee County. If

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you guys have an officer and an ambulance to meet

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these two gentlemen at the.

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Speaker 4: Parking lot by the golf course.

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Speaker 3: Apparently they found the leg down by the down by

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the water.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, are you guys any people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a couple of deputies.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Deputies arrive. But by this time the leg is shifted location.

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It's not part way up the bluff where the men

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first saw it. Now it rests near the base, closer

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to the water line, and the waves are closing in

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on it. One of them is forced to move it

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carefully away from the water.

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Speaker 11: Guys, I forgot to ask you who who was the

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one who actually called nine one one.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't you okay?

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Speaker 12: And then uh, when you guys initially seen the leg,

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where was it?

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Speaker 5: It was just like on the beach. It was on

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the beach. It wasn't up on the hill.

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, are they have fallen there? Since we

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were in the clay on the bike pointed.

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Speaker 5: No, it's all good.

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Speaker 2: It's all good.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, you're not in trouble, dude, like any

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like a little detail could possibly help.

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Speaker 5: So it was on the cliff and then it slid

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down or.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay because when they got down there, he had

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moved it from by the rock because it was I

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was trying to point it by the cliff.

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Speaker 5: Because it was by the cliff, It's like, where is it?

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Speaker 13: And then we were walking and I looked down.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, it's right there. He goes, oh shit. Okay,

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all right, cool, all right, I'll be right back with

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you guys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that was weird, right, not agreeing on

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where you spotted a human leg, because yeah, that wouldn't

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be burned into your memory forever. On that very same morning,

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April second, twenty twenty four, the Milwaukee Fire Department response

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to a vehicle fire in an alley behind a vacant

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building near twenty ninth Street. The call comes in just

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after sunrise. It's rain, the pavement is wet, and humidity

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is high in the alleys. It's a blue twenty twenty

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Honda Civic. Flames have already broken out and the car

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is engulfed. Firefighters extinguish the car quickly, and police have

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it towed to a secure impound lot. Later, investigators realized

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the fire did not start in the engine bay or

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the trunk. The damaged patterns are consistent with the fire

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that started inside the passenger compartment. In the burned vehicle,

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they find remnants of a fleece blanket and a purse.

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A handheld bicklighter is found in the back seat. On

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the front passenger floorboard, investigators find what's left of a

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green stuffed animal. When they take it from the car,

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they notice a strong odour consistent with petroleum distillate. The

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report notes the odor is overwhelming. Surveillance cameras in the

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area capture it in real time at approximately seven thirty am.

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Footage from a nearby building shows an unknown individual walking

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southbound from the direction of the vehicle fire In that

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same footage, two women can be heard shouting he did it,

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it's him, It's gonna explode. The figure continues walking southbound

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and disappears from the frame. Back at the lake, officers

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are still investigating the leg and wondering if this was

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a boating accident or something else.

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Speaker 2: It makes it hard till I see where it came

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from because of the weather. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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It feels dry and might be able to see like

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a path where it like slid down from what do you.

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Speaker 12: Say, like right off your fight a stick and foot.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think the waves will call that high.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it lost.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I don't think so either. I don't think so either.

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I'm thinking I'm gonna take a wild guest say it

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was a dump job. Yeah, like they got stuck into

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the crack and now it's the radar takes the sif

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slide down, That's why I want to here he's come

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down and be like, hey, yeah, there's a feaver bug here.

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There's may the rest of the body. Otherwise I'll go

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over there see if there's anything else.

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Speaker 1: Even at first glance, officers determined this was probably no

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boating accident. This was a dump job. This was someone

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dumping body parts over the cliffs and alongside the shoreline,

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and the police combed the beach for days. Nothing else

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surface there. They were no longer talking about the lake.

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They were talking about a person whose body parts might

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be scattered everywhere, and they were right. Two days later,

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another piece of human flesh would fit the puzzle, this

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time in a whole other state.

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Speaker 14: Another gruesome discovery along the shores of Lake Michigan, this

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time in Waukegan, Illinois. The Lake County Corner says someone

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walking the beach Saturday night found a human right arm,

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believed to be a woman's. The coroner describes the arm

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as quote mostly intact.

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Speaker 1: And another part of Milwaukee, a mother has been waiting

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for her nineteen year old daughter to call. They last

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spoke on April first, over FaceTime, and nothing about that

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conversation suggested it would be the last time they would talk.

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By April third, she hasn't heard from her, but this

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is only slightly unusual. Her daughter is extremely busy, working

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two jobs, including shifts at pizza Shuttle on Milwaukee's East Side.

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She's also a student at Milwaukee Area Technical College. And

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she has her own apartment in the Lower East Side.

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A routine is complex. Some mornings start early with work,

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some evenings and late, and classes fill up most of

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the gaps. When she's not working or studying, she spends

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time with her friend friends and tries to have a

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romantic life. She's been balancing adulthood in real time. Like

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the rest of us, paychecks, homework, rent, friendships. It wouldn't

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have been unusual for her to miss a call to

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text back later. It wouldn't have been out of the

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question for a day to pass quickly, but two days,

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two days felt different. Her phone has not responded, she

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hasn't returned messages, no one has heard her voice. For

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someone juggling two jobs in college, disappearing without a word

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just doesn't fit. Friends have also noticed, all right.

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Speaker 15: Josh, So, Yeah, the reason I'm calling you is I'm

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calling in regards to uh Soda Robinson And could you

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just kind of like inform me how you know her

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and when the last time you talked to her.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, We've been talking for like, i'd say, about a

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month since I moved to Rochester, Minnesota. But I mean

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I'm from Milwaukee, so I had met her before last weekend.

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It was my birthday, so I came home for like

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four days or whatever, and we ended up hanging out

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multiple times. Saturday, I ended up staying at her place,

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stayed till Sunday morning, and then I left.

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Speaker 13: I did some other things during the day whatever, hung

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out with my family or whatever.

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Speaker 16: And then Sunday night it was Easter like I met

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her little like.

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Speaker 13: Easter basket or whatever.

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Speaker 16: I brought it to her at her grandparents place, so

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I met her family and everything.

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Speaker 13: And then Sunday night, I mean something that I saw.

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Speaker 16: Or at her grandparents stayed there for about an hour

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and then I left, and then that was the last time.

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Speaker 13: I physically saw her. We were texting everything.

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Speaker 16: The last text I got from her was three twelve

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pm on Monday, literally right before work.

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Speaker 13: She said, have a good day at work.

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Speaker 1: After that night, no one hears from her, no texts,

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no calls, no explanation, and by the time her mother

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has realized something is truly wrong, it has already been

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two days. What investigators are facing isn't just a disappearance.

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It's a human puzzle, and they don't yet know how

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many pieces there are where they are or what happened

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to her, But their best guess is murder. On a

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chilly afternoon in April of twenty twenty four, two young

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men took a walk down to Warnemont Park near Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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As they make their way down the bluffs to the shoreline,

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one of them caught sight of a gruesome piece of landscape,

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a human leg caught in the weeds. One of them

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described it as looking like a Mannikin's leg, smooth dark skin,

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no blood whatsoever, only jagged pieces of rubbery flesh surrounding

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tissue muscle, and a femur bone with sharp spiky edges.

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The medical examiner would later testify about the force required

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to break the bone and remove the limb. Deputies responded

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and secured the area the leg had been lodged part

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way down the slope above the reach of the waves.

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That same morning, miles away in Milwaukee, a twenty twenty

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hontasivic was found in gulfed in flames. Surveillance cameras captured

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a figure walking southbound from the direction of the fire

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just after seven thirty am, while two women shouted from

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nearby as smoke filled the air. Two days later, along

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the shoreline in Waukegan, Illinois, a human r washed ashore.

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By then, what had looked like a single horrific find

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along a Milwaukee bluff had stretched across state lines, and

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in Milwaukee, a nineteen year old college student named Shade

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Carlina Robinson had stopped answering her phone. Concerned friends and

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family checked in with Chade's Life three sixty app, including

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a best friend she'd known since grade school.

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Speaker 17: When you found out that Shade was missing, did you

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ever check Life three sixty?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Did you also have Find My Phone app?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Is that a similar kind of service?

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Speaker 2: Yes, just through iPhone?

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Speaker 17: So once through iPhone to find my app, and then

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there's a whole separate app Life three sixty right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you shared your location with her on both yes?

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Speaker 17: When you contacted law enforcement, what information did you want

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to provide them?

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Speaker 2: My last.

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Speaker 5: With the apps, her last locations that I had on

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my phone.

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Speaker 1: Shade's mother and friends contacted officers for a welfare check,

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but before anything else unfolded, her friends had already been

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checking her social media. This is Josh again, the friend

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Shahda had been talking to.

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Speaker 13: What I saw on her story was that she went

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on o to like dukes on water.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Was it on Sunday or Monday?

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Speaker 18: Or what? Monday?

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Speaker 2: Monday? Okay? Did you see anybody in the photo at all?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 13: I just saw some palm coups.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 9: So the reason I'm calling is nobody has heard from

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her since Monday, and she she's missing. So today's Friday

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and we're trying to put some pieces of this puzzle together.

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Speaker 2: So is there any information that you could provide?

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Speaker 1: You had seen her story. She went out and was

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meeting someone pretty normal. This wasn't out of character, It

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wasn't alarming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: No, The last thing I know is that she went

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out Monday night. She went drinking and she said something

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about like I shouldn't do this again or stuff. I

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didn't see anyone in the photo.

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Speaker 2: When you say she shouldn't do it again? What what

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does she mean by that?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 2: Was that snapchat? Was that a something like that?

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Speaker 1: Ja Day wasn't known to be a partier. Her friends

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and family knew her to be a responsible young adult

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with military lineage. Her grandfather was a retired US Navy

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veteran and her uncle was a US Army veteran. Jade

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herself had been considering joining the US Air Force and

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was studying criminal justice with plans that included military service.

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At the same time, she was a normal young adult

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who liked to socialize.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what time was that at?

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Speaker 16: I say she went there after work?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she was was that? Was that a text

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message here? Or was that on her Snapchat or Instagram?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And that was at Duke's or was that different? Barer?

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Speaker 13: It was at Dukes, but I think she went somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: His friend Josh wasn't the only one to report she

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was meeting someone, so did her best friend?

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Speaker 17: Do you remember her talking to you about a person

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she had met at the bar?

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Speaker 19: I can't remember the place, but I remember she met somebody.

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Speaker 5: Would that have been the weekend prior?

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Speaker 19: Like with the dates, I can't remember the exact dates.

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I just remember before this incident she told me about

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some person who was but she met at a bar.

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Speaker 5: The bar part I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: Investigators would later retrace Schade's movements that night using phone data.

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Her phone first left Pizza Shuttle, where she worked earlier

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that day. It then traveled to a restaurant along the

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Milwaukee River, the Twisted Fisherman. Surveillance cameras outside the restaurant

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also captured Shade entering wearing a white top, black puffy

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jacket and jeans. Later that night, the phone moved moved again,

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this time to Dukes on Water, a busy bar on

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Water Street. After that, the signal went south across the

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city to a residence. Then in the early morning hours,

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the phone traveled one last time towards the Lake Michigan

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shoreline warn Amont Park. But at that point, investigators still

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didn't know whose house Shade went to that night, and

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they didn't know who she was meeting. So detectives dug

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deeper with their friend Josh, and it turned out they

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may have been more than friends.

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Speaker 16: I say, we were really good friends, like starting to

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perform like a relationship, kind of like boyf and girlfriends.

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Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 9: Did you like go in a pizza shuttle and just

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start talking to her. Is at the work you're referencing

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pizza shuttle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was as a register or whatever, And then

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you're just getting.

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Speaker 16: The kind of just shot the crap, like we're like, yeah,

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we're from Hartford or whatever. She's like, oh, I got

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to go to Hartford and then we just kind of

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talked for a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit from there, and then you got her number?

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you give her your number? Or is she

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gets your number?

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Speaker 3: I asked for hers?

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Speaker 9: Okay, I have kind of a personal question to ask you.

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And I'm only saying this because I've interviewed her co

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workers and some of her friends.

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Speaker 2: Did they? So here's what I'm trying to get some

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pieces of this puzzle together.

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Speaker 9: And they keep referencing a guy and I don't know

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if the guy is you or some other guy, but

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did they ever refer to you as the virgin?

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Speaker 4: They did?

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Speaker 1: Poor Josh. Obviously, he and Shote hadn't had sex, even

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though they'd been hanging out together, and the nickname pretty

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much said it all. But Josh wasn't the one she

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was meeting that night.

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Speaker 2: The thing is on Monday, April.

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Speaker 9: First, she works nine to five and then she goes

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to the Twisted Fisherman with some other unknown guy and

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that's the last time we see her.

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Speaker 2: And now I understand that she goes to Dukes.

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Speaker 9: We're trying to get surrealans video from that, but we're

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trying to determine who this unknown guy is.

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Speaker 2: So was there, go ahead.

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Speaker 17: I have a question for you.

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Speaker 13: Do you so you kind of know what the unknown

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guy looks like?

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Speaker 20: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Did you have a little bit longer here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh shit, okay, so she was telling me that.

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Speaker 3: So when we went out.

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Speaker 16: Saturday night or whatever, you know, and then her friends

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and everything, ohly shit, that's crazy. There was this one

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guy was long hair, kind of looked kind.

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Speaker 13: Of like a hick a little bit, not too much.

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Speaker 20: But a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when we got there to kind of like tapt.

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Speaker 13: Hers, He's like, hey, shata and then she's like and

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then obviously you know I was with her.

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Speaker 2: This is on Saturday, he said, No, okay, where.

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Speaker 16: Was that celebrate friend's birthday?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 16: He you know, I said hey or whatever. And then

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you know, I was hanging out with her, met her

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friends or whatever. So you know, they were talking or whatever.

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We were having a good time. You know, we were

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drinking or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Not that I mean.

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Speaker 16: I wasn't drinking because the night before it was my

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birthday and I drank way too much, so I felt

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like shit.

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Speaker 1: So she was drinking, you know, like I was.

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Speaker 16: Made sure she got home okay or whatever.

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Speaker 21: She told me at the end, of the night.

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Speaker 16: She said, yeah, you know this one guy.

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Speaker 13: He was he told me that, you know, he liked

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me or something like that. And I was like, well,

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she's not even my type. And I said, oh, what's

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your type? She said, oh, you're my type, and she's

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like yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was really really mad.

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Speaker 1: According to what Shata told Josh, this guy was upset

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because he was crushing on her. Earlier that day, Shade

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went mini golfing with friends and ran into this guy.

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He must have asked her out, and she turned him

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down because of her plans with Josh. Josh remembered Shade

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telling him that this guy just wasn't her type, but

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then they ran into him that night.

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Speaker 13: If I had to put.

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Speaker 16: Money on it, if you saw a guy with long hair,

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it was probably this dude, because he had I think

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he had liked her and she wasn't into.

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Speaker 13: Him, and I think she got pissed off when.

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Speaker 2: He saw me.

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Speaker 8: He didn't say.

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Speaker 13: Anything, but that's what she told me. She you know,

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as we're looking, she doesn't really notice him. She kind

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of tested her and says, hey, Shaw, and she's like oh,

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and because you know, they.

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Speaker 3: Had seen each other golfing and then the girls.

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Speaker 17: I mean.

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Speaker 16: Then I continued and the girls were talking and she said, yeah,

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my friends really like you. There's this one dude though,

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and he said he was like crushing on me or whatever.

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And he said that he doesn't really open up to

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girls about his feelings and.

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Speaker 13: Shit like this.

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Speaker 16: So that's why I think there could actually be a motive,

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look like jealousy or some shit like that.

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Speaker 1: Josh the Virgin was easy to talk to. He was

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providing a lot of insight into Shade's last movements, insight

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that even her mother couldn't provide. So not only was

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this long haired guy a possible person of interest, but

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Josh remembered even more.

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Speaker 16: The only other guy that I know that could have

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maybe done something that I highly doubt.

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Speaker 5: It was her neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Is that that real guy?

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, I.

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Speaker 13: Guess you keep doing good and you're poking my mind.

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Speaker 16: So I guess if there were three guys, I would

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think of, be that guy from the bar if he

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had long hair.

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Speaker 13: There was an old ex about a.

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Speaker 16: Month and a month and a half ago. She kind

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of got over him.

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Speaker 2: I think he was still on her, like.

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Speaker 13: He called her and was still talking to the family

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and stuff.

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Speaker 5: So that could be it.

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Speaker 2: He's a truck driver, white dude, black dude, his fan.

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Speaker 13: Dude, Shit, I think he was black.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I think you're the first white guy that

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she stated, because I met her family, they weren't expecting.

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Speaker 13: A white guy.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of like what her friends said

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as well.

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Speaker 22: So it's that neighbor.

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Speaker 1: But all Josh could remember shot A saying about the

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neighbor guy was that he convinced her to try some

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of his gummies and she borrowed his phone charger.

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Speaker 13: So that's all I really know about that neighbor dude.

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Speaker 16: That other X It's something you probably should be aware of,

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is that I'd say, two weeks before this, her car

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was broken into.

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Speaker 5: Yep, and they didn't take any of her personal stuff.

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Speaker 13: It was more of like a statement they just broke

479
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,200
her windows.

480
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,759
Speaker 3: They didn't, and they took her cover wheel of her driving.

481
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,279
Speaker 2: Like the steering column. Yeah, so if you were to look.

482
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 13: Into it, I'd say it'd probably be one of those

483
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,200
three guys.

484
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Josh had just given detectives three directions a possible break

485
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,400
in involving Shade's car, a neighbor who may have made

486
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,680
her uncomfortable and the man she had gone out with

487
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,039
that night. At that point, investigators couldn't rule any of

488
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,720
them out. Every lead had to be checked. But while

489
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,839
detectives were still sorting through those possibilities, more body parts

490
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,240
were surfacing. Some were found along Milwaukee's lakefront, others appeared

491
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,599
miles away, scattered across different parts of the city. One

492
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,200
discovery happened on the north side of Milwaukee. A passer

493
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,920
by strolling through the park notices something in the grass

494
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,839
in a playground area not far from where Shade's burned

495
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,680
car had been discovered. At first, it looks like debris,

496
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,880
some water it up, paper bag, or maybe a discarded

497
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,519
child's toy. Whatever it is, it shouldn't be there. The

498
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,359
person moves closer and figures they'll just throw it away

499
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,200
whatever it is, in a nearby garbage can. But now

500
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,279
they see what it is. A human foot. The skin

501
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,039
is dark and flaps of flesh poke up around where

502
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:28,400
the ankle would be. The toenails are neon pink. Investigators

503
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640
are called and find additional pieces of human tissue nearby,

504
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,359
tissue that is much larger and looks like it was

505
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,759
carved from or fell away from someone's stomach or thigh.

506
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,359
Another grim discovery happened while a woman walked her dog

507
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,200
on the beach in South Milwaukee.

508
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 11: You can still see footprints all over this remote beach.

509
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,799
That's a long Lake Michigan here in South Milwaukee.

510
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: It's yards from my front door.

511
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,799
Speaker 11: Someone walking the remote beach. Around seven thirty this mo

512
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,039
found a torso in an arm just yards away from

513
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:04,359
Angela Buchanan's home.

514
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 5: I'm definitely on edge now.

515
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,359
Speaker 11: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office believes the body parts belonged

516
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,440
to nineteen year old shad A Robinson.

517
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 22: This is not something that anybody should have to go through,

518
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,920
especially such a young girl. It just kind of makes

519
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,720
me like scared now to kind of want to come

520
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,839
down here with my dog, you know, and do what

521
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,480
we do every day, because now it's gonna am I

522
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,319
gonna come down here and be the next one that's

523
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:27,720
gonna find more body parts.

524
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: The worst fear in shot A Robinson's case was confirmed

525
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,720
the body parts belonged to her. What started as a

526
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:44,319
missing person's investigation was now officially a homicide. While detectives

527
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,839
chased leads across Milwaukee. Shade's family and friends, we're doing

528
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,200
something else entirely. They were searching for pieces of her.

529
00:30:55,559 --> 00:31:00,920
They walked the lakefront, they checked parks, they scared the shoreline,

530
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,480
hoping to find anything that might help bring the rest

531
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:09,359
of Shade home. For Shade's mother, one thought repeated in

532
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,400
her mind that even after everything that was done to her,

533
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:19,519
Shade had still managed to leave behind the clues investigators needed.

534
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 20: Shade is forever. She will be forever remembered as an angel,

535
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,279
a light worker who's touched so many souls, so many

536
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,079
lives in the Milwaukee community.

537
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: She is our hero.

538
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 20: She is forever leaving an imprint.

539
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: She walked in her own paths her own light. She

540
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:46,039
saw her own case.

541
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: My baby saw of her own case.

542
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 13: That's how I raised my kids.

543
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: We don't give up.

544
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: We are fighters, Shade's mother was.

545
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 18: Right.

546
00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: Before Shade disappeared, she left behind a trail of clues, texts, messages, pictures.

547
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,839
As intrusive as social media is, these small moments shared

548
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,119
with friends in real time would act as digital breadcrumbs.

549
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,440
But investigators weren't relying on digital evidence alone. There was

550
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,359
also the matter of Shade's car. Not long after she vanished,

551
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,480
her charred vehicle was found burned in an alley near

552
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,839
the playground where her foot was discovered. At first glance,

553
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,440
it was obvious someone had tried to destroy it, but

554
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,039
detectives noticed something about the inside of the car that

555
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:42,200
just didn't sit right the driver's seat. The seat in

556
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:47,599
Shade's car had been set for someone much taller. This

557
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,319
is when detectives started closing in on the man shaw

558
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,480
De went out with the night she disappeared, Maxwell Anderson.

559
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,839
Max lived on Milwaukee's South Side, and as detectives compared notes,

560
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,680
they realized he matched the description Josh had given in

561
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,519
his interview. Josh had mentioned a mand shot a ran

562
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,519
into days earlier, someone she turned down for a date

563
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,559
when she went mini golfing with friends, but the man

564
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,519
hadn't disappeared from her life. Just days later, she agreed

565
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,680
to go on a first date with him. Max was

566
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,400
twenty three years old. To most people who knew him,

567
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,160
he seemed quiet, soft spoken, the kind of person who

568
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,799
kept mostly to himself. He worked as a bartender and

569
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,920
owned a house where he subletted to a roommate.

570
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,119
Speaker 2: And we're talking about Maxwell Anderson and yeah, okay, just

571
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,559
clarifying that, and.

572
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,599
Speaker 5: Is he on this residence.

573
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 12: He says that he does, but I mean, and he

574
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,839
also suddenly he put like forty thousand dollars down on

575
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400
this and bought the place. But I don't see how

576
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440
if he only worked two days a week, how he

577
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,119
could afford this place to begin with. I don't know

578
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,720
if maybe his dad helped him out. I know his

579
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:06,240
dad will sometimes I'll get like Steven Anderson mail here,

580
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,679
So I don't know if he helped him out by

581
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,320
it or something like that. He was real flexible with rent,

582
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,000
which is why, which is one of the reasons why

583
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:14,000
I wanted to stay here.

584
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: To paint a picture for you. Max looked like an

585
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,679
urban lumberjack version of Brad Pitt, if that helps.

586
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,159
Speaker 5: Did he have a girlfriend? Was he in a relationship

587
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,039
with anybody that you know?

588
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,039
Speaker 12: I know that he texted me about on March eighth

589
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,039
and said that he had just broken up with this

590
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,519
girl named Maya and he was feeling really.

591
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 13: Bad about it.

592
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:34,519
Speaker 2: Okay.

593
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 12: I don't know if you know that has anything to

594
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,639
do with anything, But he's always had girls, you know.

595
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,760
I wouldn't say a ladies man, but he's also always

596
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,559
had like girl companions.

597
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 13: Over and stuff like that.

598
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, When detectives interviewed his most recent ex Maya, she

599
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320
painted the picture of what seemed like a normal relationship.

600
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 18: We're probably going to ask you some personal questions. If

601
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,239
you choose to answer, cool, if you don't want, you

602
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,639
not totally get it. But there's a lot of pieces

603
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,639
to this puzzle that we're trying to put together, and

604
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,119
some of the things that you might know might really

605
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:10,880
really help us.

606
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,679
Speaker 1: One of those personal questions was how many times Maya

607
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,360
had had sex with him in the span of about

608
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,519
two months they'd been seeing each other, And of course

609
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920
what was the sex like, So would you say.

610
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: All times twenty fifty?

611
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,599
Speaker 20: Probably like go with like twelve, Okay, maybe.

612
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,039
Speaker 18: When you guys were hooking up, was there any like

613
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,880
kind of communication, whether through the phone or in person,

614
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880
where he was like he expressed like any fantasy things

615
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,559
that he wanted to do.

616
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,519
Speaker 2: No, No, you know, I didn't.

617
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 5: Really have any like weird.

618
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: He just like he didn't express like anything quote unquote

619
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,079
not the average and you would do.

620
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 5: No.

621
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,079
Speaker 6: No, he was like very just.

622
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: Basic, like.

623
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: Like and very just gentle.

624
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:18,039
Speaker 20: He never like screamed at me or like he never

625
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:18,920
put his hands on me.

626
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Ever, this didn't seem like killer type behavior. Maya went

627
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,280
on to explain that early in their relationship, her dog

628
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,119
was sick and she needed to put him down. She

629
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,239
remembered Max asking to meet the dog and said he

630
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,760
was kind to him. In fact, he had two dogs

631
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,119
of his own that were well cared for. Although his

632
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:46,239
roommate portrayed him to be a big drinker, Maya said

633
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,119
she didn't go for that.

634
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,119
Speaker 2: Did you think that alcohol and Max were an issue

635
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:51,599
or no?

636
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 5: So?

637
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 20: I I mean, obviously I didn't really know him for

638
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,639
that long, but I'm pretty sure he was a pretty

639
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,320
frequent drinker. And I kind of go through phases of

640
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,320
that too, depending on who I'm hanging out with. But

641
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:11,960
like I when we were seeing each other, like I

642
00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:14,679
talked to him on multiple occasions like hey, like I

643
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,559
know I having fun, but like I really don't want

644
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,559
to be like drinking and going out this much like

645
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:20,760
I like to be in the gym every day. I

646
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,639
like to feel good and get my shit done.

647
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: And he was like on board with it.

648
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 20: He was like, yeah, I'll like, I'm down to not drink.

649
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,559
He started going to the gym, like he he was

650
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,280
trying to put his life together.

651
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: It seemed like once he met me, but once he

652
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,239
met her, his timetable didn't quite line up with hers.

653
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,599
He seemed all in I was talking to.

654
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 20: Him or dates with him, and then he was moving

655
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,719
things way too more quickly than I wanted him to matchis. Yeah,

656
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:58,360
he was like trying to move things very, very quickly.

657
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,400
I don't have a good experience with people moving quickly

658
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,920
in the past, so I kept telling him I wanted

659
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,760
to slow down. And you say he wanted to move

660
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400
things quickly, Like, what do you mean?

661
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:09,639
Speaker 12: Like was his.

662
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 20: Did he say anything?

663
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,119
Speaker 2: I think?

664
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 13: Was he?

665
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,599
Speaker 20: I mean, he introduced me to a lot of his

666
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,239
friends right away. He wanted me to go to South

667
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,400
Carolina and use mom AND's sister, and he booked flights

668
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920
for us to do that. He would call me his

669
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,000
girlfriend even though I wasn't his girlfriend.

670
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,039
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, you know that in twenty twenty six,

671
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,079
you can't be boyfriend girlfriend until the question is asked

672
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,639
and the words are spoken. I mean, you can have

673
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,400
sex twelve or twenty times and go on multiple dates,

674
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:45,000
but that's just talking. That's nothing serious, you know. Anyway,

675
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,400
the more questions detectives asked, the more sides of Max

676
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,280
came to the surface, and so I did go.

677
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,119
Speaker 20: On a date with someone else and he did not

678
00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,440
want to March. First, I was working on off early

679
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,840
and I went out to dug out another other bar

680
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,239
next door with the guy that I was at Luxulfage

681
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,920
with and I was hanging out with him and his friends,

682
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,960
and then my coworker called me. She's like, my Max

683
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,199
just showed up looking for you, and I was like, what,

684
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,519
because he normally works Friday nights. Where was he looking

685
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,920
for you at? He came into my bar looking for me,

686
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:31,079
thinking I was still at work first, but he didn't

687
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,360
text me or anything. He was like trying to surprise me.

688
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: I guess.

689
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,519
Speaker 1: She was surprised, but not in a good way. She

690
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:41,599
says that Max then started hanging out with her and

691
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,440
the two guys she was with, but he was upset

692
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:48,119
when one of them flirted with her. Max stormed out

693
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,480
and she later told him she needed space. She should

694
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,159
be able to hang out with whoever she wants. Unfortunately,

695
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,840
they had planned to go to the Many golf course

696
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,960
in a few days, but now she wanted to blow

697
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,840
him off. She said she didn't want to go with him,

698
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,760
but she went anyway. That's when things escalated.

699
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,199
Speaker 20: I told him I didn't want to go with him anymore,

700
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480
and I told him that I wasn't going to go

701
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:19,719
in general.

702
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,119
Speaker 8: But he must have.

703
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 20: I don't know if he just like sat there all

704
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440
night in the parking lot, like looking for me to

705
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,760
show up there or what. But I went there at

706
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,480
like seven thirty eight pm.

707
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Speaker 2: Or his name is Chris.

708
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 20: When we went there with Chris, we played golf. I

709
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,280
was going to talk to a manager there because I

710
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,199
used to work at Looks Golf Base, and I was

711
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
about to swing and hit the golf ball and I

712
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,800
hear behind me he's like, you better not get too

713
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,559
close to the edge.

714
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: You might fall off.

715
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,639
Speaker 20: I thought I was maybe like an old coworker like

716
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,360
messing with me. I turn around in Max's there and

717
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:05,679
like basically blew up that I was there with Chris

718
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,519
is a different guy.

719
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 16: And then he.

720
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 20: Stormed off, and we were on the third floor, so

721
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,440
we could like see the whole parking lot, so we

722
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,079
were watching to see if he was gonna leave.

723
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: He got in his car, he drove, but.

724
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 20: He reparked, so we're like, oh shit, what is he

725
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,599
gonna do? He circled Chris's car. He knew what Chris's

726
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,079
car looked like because of when we went out that

727
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,679
Friday before, So he circled Chris's car once, went back

728
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,760
to his car, start from it twice, went back to

729
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,039
his car, and he did it like four times, and

730
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,000
like what is he doing the fourth time? A waunch,

731
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,760
A police cars show up and he drives off immediately.

732
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 5: Once the police cars.

733
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,599
Speaker 1: Show up, You're probably thinking that Maya and her friend

734
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,440
called the police on Max. Well, you'd be wrong. It

735
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,679
was the other way around. Not only did Max call

736
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,679
the car, but he also smashed out her friend's tail

737
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,920
light and gave the police his license plate, telling them

738
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,800
the guy was driving drunk. He was hoping the police

739
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
would follow the friend and pull him over for the

740
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:16,760
smashed tail light or even give him a dui. Maya

741
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,079
was Max's most recent girlfriend slash not girlfriend. Although he

742
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,480
was pretty devastated when she told him that he needed

743
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:27,639
space and didn't know if she could get over what

744
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,880
he did, he did not take his frustrations out on her.

745
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,719
This was March, just one month before Shade would disappear.

746
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,199
But Maya also remembered something else Max had said.

747
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 18: Once, I know it's an uncomfortable I know, having sex

748
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,679
is a weird thing to talk about, and I get it.

749
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,639
We're all adults in the room. It's just something that

750
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,960
we were kind of looking into, and that's.

751
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 20: All very gentle, more so than like some whole lot

752
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:08,679
of guys have been with And even like he made

753
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,760
a comment, He's like, I think it's weird how some

754
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,039
girls like want to be choked. I feel like he's like,

755
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,199
I really don't like doing that.

756
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: Max had brought up the subject of choking during sex,

757
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,559
not in a threatening way. If anything, he sounded almost

758
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,039
disgusted by it. He told her he couldn't understand why

759
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,840
some women liked that. Maya said Max had always been

760
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,480
gentle with her, and when their relationship fell apart, he

761
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,639
seemed genuinely hurt by it. At the time, it didn't

762
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,599
seem like an important detail, but detectives would remember it

763
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,760
later because Maya wasn't the only woman investigators spoke to.

764
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Even before Shade and Maya, there was another young woman.

765
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,440
We're gonna call her Sherry for privacy, and what Sherry

766
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,880
would eventually say would send chills down the spines of

767
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,760
the most seasoned detectives.

768
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 18: I've talked to two of his ex girlfriends, and I

769
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,280
just keep saying the same thing. We're working a case

770
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:19,039
where there's a girl who disappeared, and it's pretty much

771
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,199
just a big puzzle piece right now. I'm trying to

772
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:26,000
put everything together so your answers might be able to

773
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,440
help us figure out what was going on. So when

774
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,280
did you guys start dating?

775
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 23: We started talking November twenty one, dating March ish twenty two.

776
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,679
Speaker 20: It was like kind of on and off, and then

777
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,440
I completely.

778
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:47,559
Speaker 2: Cut them off.

779
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,599
Speaker 23: I would say March or April twenty three.

780
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:51,559
Speaker 2: How did you guys meet?

781
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 20: Heartbreakers?

782
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:54,159
Speaker 2: Heartbreakers?

783
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 5: How works?

784
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 20: There?

785
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: Does a dnswer? Okay, what did he do there?

786
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:58,559
Speaker 5: Marten?

787
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 2: Did you guys just start talking or what was the connection?

788
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 5: Yeah?

789
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,519
Speaker 20: We would just talk and I was single, I mean single.

790
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 24: I was looking for somebody older, kind of at their

791
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,400
life or put together.

792
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 20: So I was like, oh, like this could work.

793
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: When detectives sat down with Sherry, the story she told

794
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:24,480
started in a way investigators had heard before. At first,

795
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,840
Max seemed quiet, reserved, almost shy, but that didn't last.

796
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 23: I mean we would just like constantly get in fights.

797
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,840
So he's either like really really mean and just like.

798
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 25: Using anything he could, like any insecurity I had.

799
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,679
Speaker 5: He wasn't ever.

800
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 25: Like physical with me, though, Yeah, he'd always he'd either

801
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
be super super mean or like super loving. There wasn't

802
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:54,440
like that in between.

803
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 20: He would call me a slut. Before he had this

804
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,000
weird obsession with my ex boyfriend. They ended up getting

805
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,599
in like a bar fight on the same Pattie's.

806
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 23: Day two years ago, and then ever since then he

807
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,159
was just like obsessed with him. So he'd always like

808
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:16,960
whenever we got in fights, like oh, like why didn't

809
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,800
you go fuck Jack?

810
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: Or like so immature, like it's that's my name, that.

811
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: Funny, funny, creepy, not sure which, but go ahead, go ahead.

812
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:37,159
Speaker 21: And then.

813
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 26: With all the drinking that I was doing when I

814
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,719
was with him, I obviously gained weight and like, no,

815
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,280
I wasn't a teenager anymore, and.

816
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 24: He told me he liked me like eighteen, okay, So

817
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:54,960
as I was like aging and then drinking, I was

818
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
gaining weight, and like at first single day it would.

819
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 20: Be like I don't want you to eat all of that,

820
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:01,719
just watching like how much.

821
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:04,599
Speaker 25: I was eating, called me like a fat horror like

822
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,079
every day, told.

823
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 5: Me even if I did lose the weight, I'd never

824
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,440
be able to keep it off, so.

825
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: Sherry told detectives Max could swing between extremes affection at

826
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,920
one moment cruel the next. Arguments became more frequent, and sometimes,

827
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:29,079
Sherry said, Max would talk about revenge, not just arguments.

828
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,920
Plans weird plans.

829
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,519
Speaker 25: My best friend ended up moving in with my ex boyfriend.

830
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: Ex boyfriend with Jack. Yes, okay, so.

831
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 25: My best friend Lexi ended up moving in with Jack.

832
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 23: Good and Max was like, Jack took your friend from you,

833
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
I'm going to take I took you his last girl,

834
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,000
Now I'm going to take his next girl. So he

835
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,000
reached out to Lexi.

836
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

837
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,079
Speaker 25: There was one instance where he knew Jack worked on

838
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:01,599
Brady Street, so he told me he was going to

839
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,199
Bertie Street to.

840
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 4: Find his car.

841
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 23: I don't know if this ever happened or not, because

842
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,800
at this point it was like I.

843
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 26: Was trying to leave him, so it was really distancing myself,

844
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,639
so I don't know exactly.

845
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,559
Speaker 27: At one point he asked me to invite Jack over

846
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:18,480
to my place.

847
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 25: And to beat myself up in the bathroom and call

848
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,800
the police to get Jack arrested.

849
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:28,639
Speaker 13: And he said either I do that.

850
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,599
Speaker 5: Or he will do it himself.

851
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: This was becoming a theme similar to what Maya had

852
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:43,280
told detectives, jealousy, possessiveness, and weird revenge plots. And then

853
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,800
came the questions about their sex life. Sherry's version was

854
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,440
slightly different from Maya's, So this was.

855
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: For about a year?

856
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 5: Okay, in a year?

857
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: Did you guys have sex a lot in the beginning?

858
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,639
Speaker 5: At the beginning? Yes?

859
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:08,599
Speaker 2: How often do you remember, do you?

860
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:09,679
Speaker 20: Yeah?

861
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: Two times a day when I say?

862
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 5: And then when did it start like dwindling down?

863
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 20: When I started getting made?

864
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: Okay? Did he ever make videos with you? Okay? How

865
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:29,960
many do you think? Okay? Does he have the videos?

866
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,559
Or do you have the videos? Did he ever send

867
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,760
them to you? Okay? By chance?

868
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 20: Do you?

869
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: By chance? Do you have a tattoo?

870
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: Right here.

871
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: Is a scorpion? Okay?

872
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,199
Speaker 1: So just something to keep in mind. Sleep with a

873
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,239
criminal and the cops might see your tattoos no matter

874
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,960
where you hide them. And speaking of which, Max did

875
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:59,840
have a criminal history. Just a little a few years

876
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,800
are earlier, he was charged with disorderly conduct and criminal

877
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,599
damage to property after smashing the windows of a car

878
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,119
during a domestic dispute. Police had also been called the

879
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:13,719
incidents involving arguments with family members at his home. All

880
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:20,280
of this pointed to emotional or impulsive disorders, but not murder. Yet.

881
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,559
Their conversation with Sherry continued, giving detectives even more reason

882
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,400
to suspect him. Next, they pulled from Max's diary.

883
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 28: Says, bondage equals rape comma roleplay and I'm not judging,

884
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:37,840
not knocking it too bad.

885
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,119
Speaker 2: I'm cool, it's fun.

886
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 28: I get it, I really get it, even if you

887
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,320
are willing to accept that about yourself. You like to

888
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,679
pretend you being raped because you otherwise can't feel anything.

889
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,599
And he likes to pretend to be the rapist because

890
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:58,920
that's how he'd imagine. I think he says, bed finally

891
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,239
get late, or he'd finally get laid. Does that make

892
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,239
any kind of sense.

893
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:05,519
Speaker 2: To you at all?

894
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: Cherry said no, it didn't make sense to her, but

895
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,280
it's also possible she was embarrassed.

896
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: So one more time about the pretend rape comics.

897
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 28: When was that kind of like were you guys in

898
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,119
bed together, were you guys just like drinking or like

899
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:25,960
how was he just brought it up and just said,

900
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:26,719
I think that'd be hot.

901
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 25: No, I think it like might have been like it

902
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:34,840
might have come off in conversation like just like or

903
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,199
like a movie or something.

904
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 20: And he said, like rape can be hot.

905
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,199
Speaker 2: Okay. So but just just saw get everything straight. He

906
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,639
didn't try to like set that up with you. He

907
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,159
just said that rape could be hot, okay.

908
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: Cherry denied participating in the rape fantasies Max mentioned, yet

909
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,000
she did participate in another fairly common sex practice.

910
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 28: I guess there were all adults. I believe I saw

911
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,400
the video that you guys made. Do you recall the video?

912
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,519
Speaker 10: Yes?

913
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,079
Speaker 2: Okay, are you tied up in the video?

914
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 13: I think so.

915
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 2: From your recollection? What was going on?

916
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 20: I think he was just fingering me?

917
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: And then was that with the belt you described like

918
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,400
you said, you're okay, yeah, okay. Do you know where

919
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,400
you were at at that time?

920
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,559
Speaker 1: Say where's the female detective in this picture?

921
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,639
Speaker 2: Just asking Sometimes it was like a.

922
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 25: Little more kinky.

923
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 20: Wouldn't say anything.

924
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 5: In the kinky times.

925
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 6: What were they like?

926
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 2: What was it like?

927
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 5: He had the.

928
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 25: Belt on his fat friend, so he used that time

929
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,159
me up. And then there were points, God, this is embarrassing.

930
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:07,679
Speaker 5: No, it's totally trust me.

931
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,599
Speaker 18: We've talked to everybody and this is just it's just

932
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:11,400
a dog's talk.

933
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,559
Speaker 23: And there were points where he would try and put

934
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:17,480
his whole hand.

935
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 25: In me okay, but that like usually ended up stopped

936
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,159
because it was painful and I lead.

937
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:32,559
Speaker 2: So okay, did he ever are you guys? Did he

938
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:33,159
ever choke you?

939
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 20: Well?

940
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,199
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, and you were fine with that.

941
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't ever like like crazy, It was just

942
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:43,320
like normal, Like I wasn't.

943
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 20: I could not breathe or anything.

944
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,599
Speaker 2: But everything he was doing you were cool with as well. Yes, okay.

945
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Sherry was possibly so mortified at laying out all the

946
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,039
details of her sex life with a potential killer that

947
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:02,599
she almost forgot to mention something pivotal to the whole investigation.

948
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,559
Speaker 25: Anything that we did, like daywise involved drinks, so like

949
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:09,840
going up to the bar concert.

950
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:13,599
Speaker 18: When you guys went on dates, what kind of days

951
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,039
were they just mainly like going out getting food drinks?

952
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,119
Speaker 2: Was it yeah? Pretty casual like that. Did you ever

953
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:22,840
fly anywhere with him? Yeah?

954
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 6: Good?

955
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 20: Oh he did take me to a park.

956
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 25: He wouldn't tell what it was called because it was

957
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,079
like his secret like private beach, so I would know

958
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:34,719
if I.

959
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 20: Like throve to it, because there's the next two restaurant

960
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:38,920
on the.

961
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,039
Speaker 5: Way that we always stop at.

962
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: But that secret beach had a name, Warnemont Park, the

963
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,599
same shoreline where pieces of Shade Robinson had already turned up,

964
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:59,039
a place where Sherry had visited with the very man

965
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:36,920
detective now suspected was the killer. It was April of

966
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:41,400
twenty twenty four in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It started with a

967
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,400
severed leg on the shoreline of Lake Michigan, then an

968
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:50,039
arm all the way over in Illinois, and it didn't

969
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:54,039
stop there. By then, investigators knew the victim was nineteen

970
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:57,840
year old Shade Robinson, a college student working two jobs

971
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,199
and building a future that ended in peace. Scattered across

972
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,559
the city and state lines, detectives had already started reconstructing

973
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,000
the final hours of her life, which wasn't difficult in

974
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:15,719
some ways. Shade had left behind a digital trail, her

975
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,519
burned car abandoned in an alley not far from where

976
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,159
one of her severed feet would later be discovered, surveillance

977
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,159
cameras capturing her and her date moving between bars and restaurants,

978
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,559
and phone data tracing her movements across the city in

979
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,840
the hours before she disappeared. By the time investigators finished

980
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,679
mapping that trail, one name kept appearing at its center.

981
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:43,360
The man shot A Robinson had gone out with that night,

982
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,880
Max Anderson. He was also the last person known to

983
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,480
have seen her alive. It didn't take long before the

984
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,760
evidence started piling up. Detectives obtained search warrants and started

985
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:03,079
looking at Max's place, and before they even stepped inside,

986
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:07,960
the yard looked like something had been clawing its way

987
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,320
in and out of the ground. Max's tenant spoke with

988
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,400
detectives about it, and you.

989
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 5: Know how long he's on in this place.

990
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 12: I know there was one tenant before me who also

991
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,199
moved out because she hated it here, and I've never

992
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,639
talked to her, but that's just what Max was telling me.

993
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,599
He was like, oh, she was always calling the city

994
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,519
on me because of you know, the holes of ship

995
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:32,920
that he's got out in the yard. Like he said

996
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,400
that was going to be a shed, like the big

997
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,360
old hole he says that was going to he was

998
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,639
going to turn that into a shed with like a basement.

999
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,760
And they said, like when it gets cold in the winter,

1000
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,639
that's where I was going to keep my dogs. And

1001
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:45,719
I'm like, this is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

1002
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,079
Speaker 2: Of my life.

1003
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: Dumbest or maybe sickest who adds a basement to the

1004
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:58,000
shed in their yard and for dogs that are indoor

1005
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,360
dogs anyway, Well the answer is nobody.

1006
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,199
Speaker 12: And then at the top it was going to be

1007
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,159
storage for like long stuff or whatever. That was his idea.

1008
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,840
And then there's another hole going like back to the garage.

1009
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,840
He said he was going to do an outdoor bar there.

1010
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,159
Guy's just weird, man. He had all these weird ideas

1011
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,360
that you just as a normal person, you look at

1012
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,679
that and you're like, that's never gonna.

1013
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,239
Speaker 13: Work, you know what I mean.

1014
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,519
Speaker 1: The inside of the house was even weirder, as Max's

1015
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,400
ex girlfriend remembered.

1016
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:32,039
Speaker 2: Well, he had like the hidden closet okay behind the

1017
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:32,960
TV refer too.

1018
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 27: Yes, he had that like marble piece that you could

1019
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,519
remove from underneath his bathroom counter. And he told me

1020
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,079
that he would store all this money there because he

1021
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:45,800
was just paroid of somebody coming in it.

1022
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 25: Yeah, he was just very paranoid.

1023
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 20: He had his little mushroom mouth.

1024
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Man too.

1025
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1026
00:58:56,679 --> 00:59:00,519
Speaker 1: When she was questioned earlier about the so called mushroom room, lab,

1027
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,840
detectives assumed she meant psychedelic mushrooms. But actually Sherry didn't

1028
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,280
know what the hell they were. Max never specified, He

1029
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,880
only told her that they could eat them, which she declined.

1030
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,880
Once inside Max's house, detectives found cutting tools, including a hacksaw,

1031
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,480
consistent with the saw marks the medical examiner found on

1032
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:31,159
Shade's bones. But the most disturbing discovery came from Max's phone.

1033
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,960
Investigators found pictures taking the night shaw day disappeared. In one,

1034
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,880
Shade is lying face down on a couch, looking unresponsive,

1035
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,559
while Max is grabbing her breast. During the autopsy, the

1036
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:51,559
medical examiner determined the same breast had been cut off,

1037
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,360
it was never found. By that point, detectives had seen

1038
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,679
and heard enough. On April fourth, twenty twenty four, Milwaukee

1039
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,719
police arrested and charged Maxwell Anderson with first degree intentional homicide,

1040
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:14,440
mutilating a corpse, arson and hiding a corpse. Prosecutors told

1041
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:20,079
jurors he killed Shade Robinson after their first date, dismembering

1042
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:24,159
her body inside his home and scattering her remains across

1043
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:29,599
Milwaukee and along the Lake Michigan shoreline. They pointed to

1044
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:33,400
surveillance footage of the pair together, the digital trail left

1045
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,639
on Shade's phone. The pictures from Max's phone and the

1046
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:43,039
cutting tools investigators found inside his house. Max's trial started

1047
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:47,239
on May twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, and after roughly

1048
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,400
two weeks of testimony, the jury returned verdicts of guilty

1049
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:56,719
on all counts. Both Max and his father made statements

1050
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,480
at his sentencing. Until this point, Max had said nothing,

1051
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:05,400
but now he was claiming innocence.

1052
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:11,079
Speaker 21: I would like to start by saying that, from the

1053
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,719
bottom of my heart, my deepest and most sincere condolences

1054
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,880
go out to Shade's family, as well as everyone else

1055
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,320
affected by this tragedy. That being said, your honor, I

1056
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,920
took this to trial without everyone trying to make a

1057
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,039
plea deal of any kind, because I did not commit

1058
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:34,360
these crimes, and so I planned to appeal my convictions

1059
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:39,400
while I hope and pray that further investigations not only

1060
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,679
prove my innocence, but find and deliver true justice.

1061
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: Max's defense team made a similar argument throughout the trial.

1062
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,719
They told jurors the case against Max was built entirely

1063
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,920
on circumstantial evidence that no one had witnessed a killing,

1064
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,320
no clear crime scene had been established inside Max's home,

1065
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,719
and no single piece of physical evidence directly proved he

1066
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,079
had murdered Shade Robinson. They urged the jury not to

1067
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,400
mistake suspicion for proof. When Max's father addressed the court,

1068
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,320
he spoke about loss in an ironic twist. He referenced

1069
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,039
another young man he had once cared for deeply. It

1070
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,679
seemed like a tragedy had happened in that family, long

1071
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,480
before his son was ever convicted of murder.

1072
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 4: On behalf of myself and my family, I'd like to

1073
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:40,159
say a few things first to Shaya's family. There are

1074
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:41,239
no words.

1075
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 2: That I can share that will reduce your pain.

1076
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 4: You are all in my thoughts every single day, although

1077
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,239
it is not the same. Having lost a boy that

1078
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,199
was like a son to me ten years ago, I

1079
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,320
have some sense of what you are feeling. It took

1080
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,599
me a very long time to get the past past

1081
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:15,280
the pain that I felt for the person that contributed

1082
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,280
to his passing. I'm not asking you to forgive anybody

1083
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,800
or anything that is between you and your God.

1084
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,639
Speaker 1: After making this mysterious comment, he turned his attention to

1085
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,800
his murderous son.

1086
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:37,039
Speaker 5: We want you to know that we love you and

1087
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,159
support your plan for self improvement.

1088
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,079
Speaker 6: In this we hope for a path for you to

1089
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:50,000
become a positive influence for society, both while you are

1090
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,000
incarcerated and hopefully after.

1091
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:57,119
Speaker 1: But there was no path forward for a cold blooded

1092
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,719
killer like Max. We don't know much much about him,

1093
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,599
even from his own father's words, but we know the facts,

1094
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:10,800
and we know that the jury voted quickly and unanimously.

1095
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,840
His father talked about hope, self improvement and the possibility

1096
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,280
that someday Max could contribute something positive to society. The

1097
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,719
judge and the jury didn't see it that way.

1098
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 29: I've weighed your character, and as I've indicated, I find

1099
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,599
it wanting. I've also reflected on the needs of society

1100
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:34,360
and are you a good risk?

1101
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:36,159
Speaker 2: And sadly you're not.

1102
01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 29: So how do we protect society from a man who

1103
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,800
clearly has had darkness in his past, who engaged in

1104
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:49,159
behavior that is it's the facts that you see written

1105
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,880
in horror novels. That's what we have to determine, and

1106
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:55,880
you know it isn't easy. I can tell you that

1107
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,239
when you think about is there ever something redeemable, I'm

1108
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,719
in a person you'd like to say at some point

1109
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,360
there is, And I can tell you that at the

1110
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,920
points in life where I've come to the conclusion that

1111
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,760
there isn't anything redeemable. You know, you do think about

1112
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,320
I think it takes away a little piece of my soul.

1113
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,280
How come I couldn't find anything good? How come I

1114
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,639
can't find anything that I can say at some point

1115
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,840
you'll be a better person.

1116
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:31,079
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are just not redeemable, no matter how hard

1117
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:34,679
to try to see the good in them. They're just

1118
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,920
isn't any Maybe they started as a good person and

1119
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:43,960
life's events just eroded the goodness away until there was

1120
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:47,960
nothing left but darkness. Or maybe they were just born

1121
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:53,320
with a heart of darkness. If that's even possible. Who knows.

1122
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:58,480
I'm no philosopher, I'm no theologian. That's what makes this

1123
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:04,360
case so unsettling. Maxwell Anderson looked like every other guy.

1124
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:10,199
He wore that mask perfectly. As for shot A, she

1125
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,800
was trying to do everything right. She did everything everyone

1126
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,360
expected her to do. She did the things people are

1127
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,000
told to do to stay safe. She told friends where

1128
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,480
she was going, she shared her location. Her movements at

1129
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:28,480
night were captured again and again on security cameras across

1130
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:34,800
Milwaukee restaurants, streets, parking lots. Almost every step of that

1131
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:41,159
evening exists on video all except one. The minute she

1132
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:47,000
walked into the House of Secret Compartments. There, Rumors have

1133
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,440
it they watched a movie about a serial killer who

1134
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:56,519
dismembers his victims. If true, was this a trigger or

1135
01:06:56,719 --> 01:07:01,280
was this just for play for Max, because after the

1136
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,519
movie ended he killed her. Then he dismembered her body,

1137
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,159
burned her car, and took her to his secluded beach

1138
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,719
to leave parts of her body there.

1139
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,239
Speaker 3: All right, well, I'm gonna send them a deputy downer

1140
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:21,079
to Saint Kite. It should be that too long.

1141
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, all right? And what then?

1142
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,039
Speaker 3: What did you actually find?

1143
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,079
Speaker 4: It looks like the.

1144
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,239
Speaker 2: It looks like the back and the butt.

1145
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 3: In the irons, back arm and okay, okay, all right,

1146
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,840
expect to call from one of the deputies. I'm I'm

1147
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,599
assuming you're probably going to give you a call so

1148
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:45,519
they can uh exactly where you are. But we'll be

1149
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:46,000
there soon.

1150
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:46,559
Speaker 2: As we can. Okay.

1151
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: He then scattered the rest of her remains across the city.

1152
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,639
To this day, she has not fully been recovered. No

1153
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,519
one knows where shot A put her head to rest.

1154
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,639
After the trial, allegations surface that Max told someone weeks

1155
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:09,000
earlier he was going to kill and dismember a woman

1156
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:13,719
he had recently met. That claim came from an informant

1157
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,439
tied to search warrants in the case. It was never

1158
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,920
fully tested a trial, but it raises the disturbing possibility

1159
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:27,079
that shah Day may have been targeted from the very beginning.

1160
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:32,279
Some people close to Shade also believe she initially rejected

1161
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:36,439
Max at some point he seemed jealous of her friend Josh.

1162
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,159
It's possible the date happened only after she tried to

1163
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:44,119
smooth things over, something many women do when they feel

1164
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:49,600
pressured or uncomfortable. If that's true, it adds another tragic

1165
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,920
layer to the story, because what may have looked like

1166
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,239
an ordinary first date may actually have been the final

1167
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:03,239
step in a situation that had already turned extremely dangerous

1168
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:11,079
or worse. If it can get any worse, Maybe, just maybe,

1169
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:16,439
Shade would have been the first of many unbeknowing women

1170
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,479
to follow in her path, all the way to Warnemont

1171
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:54,399
Park and all the way to Max's private beach. Well,

1172
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,920
we hope that'll keep you satisfied until next week. We

1173
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,239
know it won't, but you know, boy can dream check

1174
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,880
out tails and leave us some feedback we'll see you

1175
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,920
next week. Stay safe,