WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.040 Ten fifty break. 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:09.119 This is on the Ball on Box Sports fourteen. 3 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:20.879 Hey, welcome back to the Ball here on Fox Sports 4 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.199 fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're read Ja Geary. And 5 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.160 that was great with Kenny. Thank you for getting him. 6 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:27.480 Yeah, No, Kenny's awesome. 7 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.399 He's always good. He's always good. You know, it's his 8 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.039 first time on the show, but he's always good, like 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:32.759 even in public. 10 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.159 Yeah, I mean, just like I say, it's such incredible story. 11 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.399 You know, his background of growing up in Cleveland and 12 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:40.320 and just uh. 13 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:41.280 It's it's a good it's a good story. 14 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:43.119 It's a great story. I mean it's it's it's a 15 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.039 you could put it on the big screen. Yeah, that 16 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.000 type story. I'll write a book on it. And so 17 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.119 deferve that and then to play basketball and the pivot 18 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:53.840 to baseball to have this that doesn't haredible career years. 19 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:56.000 He really is on the edge of becoming a Hall 20 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.159 of Famer, and I think that's something that's gonna happen 21 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:01.719 for him. And and now he's entertainment and he's doing 22 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.120 all these other things. I just think he just are 23 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.400 a really great story to highlight. 24 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:07.760 Yeah, yeah, no question, Like I said, a lot of 25 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.280 you guys and lout saw you guys where you guys 26 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:14.560 are good people and turn into these good dudes, you 27 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:16.840 know what I'm saying. Yeah, and you know, and I 28 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.239 know the bad dudes because there have been a few, 29 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.359 but not a lot, not a lot, not a lot, 30 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.400 you know, And you can kind of on maybe one 31 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.519 hand if that and the good dudes are out there 32 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:27.400 are doing good. 33 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.480 Things and that's part of being and that really goes 34 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.120 to being a coach, you know that being a Hall 35 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:32.879 of Fame level coach, to being a good coach, someone 36 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:34.799 good at the craft that yeah, you're looking for the 37 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.439 best players out there, but you're also looking for personalities. 38 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:39.719 Yeah does this person fit in? And and not every 39 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.719 coach practices that. No, there's coaches out there that recruit 40 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.400 by numbers and and recruit you know, not for need 41 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:48.000 and just for publicity, and they usually find themselves in 42 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:49.239 trouble and coaches and did not do that. 43 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.319 So when you did your coaching overseas, uh a little 44 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.400 at TCU, Rightcy, I'm sorry, but when you recruited, could 45 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.959 you did you see yourself? Okay, this dude's really good. 46 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.319 We could change it, you know what I'm saying every ego, 47 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:03.959 every coach has an ego, so we could change, we 48 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.480 will make them okay, But then no, I don't think 49 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:07.159 that's gonna work. 50 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.120 Yeah, I mean early early in your career, when you 51 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:10.840 when you're first getting the coaching you want, you think 52 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.000 you can save everyone, like, yeah, I can save them all. 53 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.759 You know, he may he had a number of red 54 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:17.759 flags in the past, exactly when he gets to me, 55 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:20.319 it's all going to be different, right, and that and that, 56 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.199 And still I think from a coaching mindset, you still 57 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.360 always want to have that that I would I want 58 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.479 to give this an attempt, right. I think as you 59 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.560 get older, how much time you'll spend on that on 60 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.840 that issue shorter and shorter because you're realizing that, hey, 61 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.039 I've given this individual one or two chances and there's 62 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.719 still been no correction. And so there are things that 63 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:43.000 you learn. But yeah, if you can identify, you know, 64 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.759 kids that play hard, kids that play for the right reason, 65 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:48.879 and and you can incorporate them into what you're doing, 66 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:50.960 and faster you can do that, the better do you. 67 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.520 So when you were in Japan, did you have say 68 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:56.120 in the roster? Did you say in the roster or 69 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:58.039 did the administrate or the gms or whatever. 70 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.680 So, so how it works these for for the organizations 71 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.680 that was with three different organizations than my six years 72 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.800 in Japan. Was I was the GM for all the 73 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.240 for the imports, for all the American pot okay, and 74 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.800 so because I just didn't have the bandwidth the knowledge 75 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.639 to be recruiting at the college level in Japan, we're 76 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.719 you know, throughout the league, so we really relied on 77 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:18.319 them in terms of the executives to kind of pick 78 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.840 the Japanese players. And then I would work to find 79 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.680 the Americans through agents and and through my own contacts. 80 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.479 And so was it your philosophy? Was that the same philosophy? Okay, 81 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.159 maybe little background stuff and see all these can these 82 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:31.039 guys play as a team. 83 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.120 Little bit, I'm doing as much background as I can. 84 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:34.560 I'm gonna call it, you know. As soon as I 85 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.400 work with the agent and we start getting some material in, 86 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.879 I started identifying some individuals that hey, this might be 87 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.520 a good fit for the way I play and size 88 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:45.080 wise and experience. I'm gonna do it deep social media 89 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:47.840 to dive. I'm gonna call coaches they work with in 90 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:49.599 the past. I'm gonna do as much as I can't, 91 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:51.400 because keep in mind, I'm gonna be with this individual, 92 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:52.520 We're gonna live together for. 93 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.240 Sure, eight to ten months. Yes, and he's part of 94 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.680 your success, he's your failure. 95 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.639 And and and even did even more even double down 96 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:03.919 on that is in Japan with visus and work visas, 97 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.919 I always laugh, if you have to, you have to 98 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:08.479 be as sure as possible, because if you do want 99 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.159 to make a change, saying in Europe, I can make 100 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.800 a change out in probably two weeks, I could probably 101 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:14.479 cut a player, let him go, have a guy come 102 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.160 in two weeks later. Well, Japan, that's not the case. 103 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.120 You're easy. Visas are very difficult to get there in times, 104 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.920 especially work visas, so they might take up the two months. 105 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:25.519 I always laugh, I would end up, you know, not, 106 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.519 you know, working with individuals just not working out. I 107 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.600 would cut that individual at least in my mind and 108 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.240 with the paperwork. But I now have to hold onto 109 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.600 this vision individual for two more months. But just because 110 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.439 if that's how it works there, Yeah, and then what 111 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.279 happens after three or four weeks when he gets hot 112 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.199 and now I want to keep him, and so it 113 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.120 makes for some awkward conversations so you want to do 114 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:45.639 your homework up front. You want to be as sure 115 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:46.560 as possible as you can. 116 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.600 Yeah, yeah, it totally makes sense. That's funny. That's funny 117 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.680 because then maybe they get better in that time, you know, 118 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.399 in that within that two months. 119 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:55.759 It takes time for some reason that a lot of 120 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.399 times you would end up cutting a guy and before 121 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.800 he even got on a plane, another Japanese team end 122 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:00.600 up taking him. 123 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.240 Yeah, that's funny, But real quick because the NBA Draft 124 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.319 is coming here. Your thoughts on Curdil Bryant didn't play 125 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:09.439 a whole heck of a lot, although he did in 126 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:11.199 key moments, you know what I'm saying, And then he's 127 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.279 gonna be a lottery picked this guy from went from 128 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:13.800 here to there. 129 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:17.639 Yeah, I mean, Carter just an incredible story. Here's a 130 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.399 young man coming out of you know, coming out of 131 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.639 high school, five star guy, all the accolades, I'm g 132 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:24.439 justs the college and it takes him a minute, you know, 133 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.600 he just it wasn't as easy, which you always find out, 134 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.199 and it took him almost half a season to adjust 135 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.560 to that. And then you could see something that's you know, 136 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.639 kind of snapped in his brain, like Okay, you know, 137 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.160 this is the level of toughness and level of work 138 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.399 and effort that you need to be successful at this level. 139 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:41.600 And then once you kind of figure that out, the 140 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.079 other part was easy. You knew he was gifted athletically. 141 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.040 You had a beautiful jump shot, a really nice stroke defensively, 142 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.879 had length, and he was just so young. And I 143 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.879 think that's what's been so enticing, even though he didn't 144 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:55.839 have huge numbers. Yeah, you know, NBA guys you know, 145 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:56.639 can't help themselves. 146 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:58.959 No, no, and numbers don't mean anything, because if you 147 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:01.600 can play, they'll find you. They'll find you. And then 148 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.240 at that time, though Tommy had already found his niche 149 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:09.120 right with his team starters, replacements, blah blah blah. And 150 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.519 he was one of those replacements because if he had 151 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.879 he started him, everything could have just gone ketawumpus. It 152 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:15.560 could have been changed. 153 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.160 Yeah, the chemistry could have been completely different. But you know, 154 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.360 Tommy last year, you know, speaking on last Ye's team, 155 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.279 needed a couple of things happened. He needed kJ Lewis 156 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.040 to kind of come into his office and say, hey, 157 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:25.560 you know, I think I might be better off the 158 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.959 bench and maybe gets now, Uh, dell or so out 159 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.639 there early for some some some early touches and using 160 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.279 his veteran experience. And so yeah, if Carter Brian is 161 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.000 thrown into that mix earlier, it throws things off potentially 162 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.279 and we see something different. But you know, the NBA 163 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.279 guys can't help themselves in terms of when they see 164 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.040 someone young like that, regardless of their numbers, they just 165 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.240 don't want to miss out on the next big thing. Sure, 166 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.120 I don't think they're thinking Carter's going to play next 167 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.000 year or maybe even the year after, but they're thinking 168 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.680 year three. Sure, he's twenty one years old. Now we're 169 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.639 just catching him the best second contract he's twenty four. 170 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:57.879 That's kind of how they start thinking long term. Yeah, 171 00:06:57.879 --> 00:06:58.959 when they look at these prospects. 172 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.279 And you saw it too, because you were in the 173 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.120 league for a while, right and you saw it because 174 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:04.040 you were trying to save your job because the new 175 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:04.800 kids are coming in. 176 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:06.720 Yeah, I went I mean I was a second rounder, 177 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.360 so I was a little bit different, you know when 178 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.519 you're when you're a late second rounder, which I was, 179 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:13.000 and I went through that whole process. You know, I 180 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.600 was All tournament team for the Big West out in Phoenix, 181 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:17.279 I went to Chicago really thought I was going to 182 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.720 be somewhere around the bottom of the first round of 183 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.519 some of the teams that were looking at me. Found 184 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.279 out later the Lakers, talking with some of the Lakers personnel, 185 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.360 it was between Derek Fisher and myself for that twenty 186 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.399 ninth spot. So it's always kind of fun to see 187 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.959 how that would have played out. Yeah, but yeah, you 188 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.600 just uh, you know, you just get in there. You know. 189 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:36.079 I had to fight for every team. 190 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:36.319 I was on. 191 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.480 I played for, you know, the Spurs first, right, I 192 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.240 was with the Cleveland. I got drafted by Cleveland, but 193 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.600 as the second rounder you gotta it's not guaranteed. And 194 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:44.480 with the San Antonio the next year and was able 195 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.040 to make that you know, before you know, going over 196 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.600 to Europe and some other things. So, you know, these 197 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.040 guys are so lucky nowadays. They just with the skill 198 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:53.920 development and just kind of where they're at and where 199 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:55.839 the game is at. It's just a really special time 200 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:56.360 to be a player. 201 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.519 Well, the thing about it, at least what I've covered 202 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.439 for all my plf of my life actually is all 203 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.839 the players like you and other ones, they believe they're 204 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:06.839 the guy, you know, and how could you not believe 205 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:08.639 you get the guy. You're a bunch of alpha males, 206 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:10.680 who you guys are going to be in the first round. 207 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.920 You guys have your career set, but there's a thousand, 208 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.240 few hundred of you every year they come out, right. 209 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.079 More than that, I think they We used to say 210 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.759 there's there's more brain surgeons every year that graduated the 211 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.519 NBA basketball players, And there's some truth to that, because 212 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.600 just not a lot of jobs, and and and you know, 213 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.879 basketball is so universal now, I mean, you know, basketball's 214 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.279 played in every country in the world. Countries you don't 215 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.320 even think about they have a team there. There's you know, 216 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.240 there's gonna be some factory, some company that's supporting these 217 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.360 teams all over the world. And so it really is 218 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:42.480 an international game. Obviously, if you look at this year's 219 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.759 roster players, it really reflects that. 220 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.759 It's funny because I don't know, maybe twenty fifteen, two 221 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.240 and fourteen, whatever it was, and the guys came out, 222 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.879 Gordon and some of the other ones, and some the 223 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.879 your Euros started getting picked a lot, a lot, and 224 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.639 some of the guys were falling down and some of 225 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.200 the people on the internet, some of are finishing. It's 226 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.879 just not fair. I mean, they're coming out early and 227 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.480 these yours are taking their jobs. I'm thinking, guess what 228 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.919 this ain't this aint. This is called real life, real life, 229 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.879 and you if you leave, that's on you. You think 230 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.320 you're good enough, but there's more, there's more people out there, yeah, 231 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:15.519 wanting that same job. 232 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.600 It is a competitive environment and so no question, you've 233 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:20.440 got to do your homework. You got to make you know, 234 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:21.720 you got to be sure if you're going to make 235 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.039 that jump, because you know, we tell these kids it's 236 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.200 called world out there. You know, you see the NBA 237 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.799 and the glamour and the money. But if you don't come, 238 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:30.720 you know, if you don't make it initially, you know, 239 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:32.799 you're really going to have to fight and kind of 240 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.559 be a gladiator going around the world and through minor 241 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.960 leagues to kind of get back. So you got to 242 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:38.600 choose wisely. 243 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:40.200 But the funny thing is, and I say this all 244 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.519 the time, guys like who don't make it still have 245 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.960 a wonderful career overseas or whatever. And sometimes I wish 246 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.720 I had their future because it's it's not a bad living. 247 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.960 It is not you know, I think some people they 248 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.519 look down on overseas ball or minor league ball. But 249 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.960 if you have an opportunity, you come to college, you know, 250 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:58.919 to be a student athlete, and if you have an 251 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.799 opportunity to pursue your your career in your sport, travel 252 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.240 the world, play for free in a lot of instances, 253 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.399 or to travel free, and they make some money to 254 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.480 put in your pocket. You know, it's only a blessing. 255 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.879 And now you have n IL and now you have 256 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.440 the big announcement that came out last week for you know, 257 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.519 there's twenty million dollars that it's going to be a 258 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.480 big pie for you or basketball players and football players. Yeah, 259 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.039 what a world it is. 260 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:24.360 It is. 261 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.440 It's a great time to be a student athlete. That's it. 262 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.919 It's a great time for college athletics. It's just it's 263 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.759 it's one of these, you know things, these evolutions that 264 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.320 just has to occur because the game is just got 265 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.080 got so big. And so I'm gonna correct it's not 266 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:40.679 in I l were we're in a rev share model 267 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:44.039 for Ford where you know, the university now starting just 268 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.159 this past weekend, got the word we're gonna have to 269 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:49.240 raise you know, twenty point five million dollars that's unbelievable 270 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:50.240 to me, you know, and. 271 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:51.960 So could you talk, could you explain that to me 272 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.000 real quick? And we have uh two minutes? Yeah, best, 273 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.639 it's best let me because it's twenty point five, right, 274 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.799 twenty pah all you have to raise that could you 275 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:01.159 don't have it now or not? 276 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:02.559 That's where money we got to go out to the 277 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.840 community and raise. And so we have our Student Athletes 278 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:08.639 Excellence Fund that you know, that's where donors can can 279 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:13.120 participate and be you know, helping these coaches retain their talent, 280 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.480 helping coaches recruit talent. You know, these are our big 281 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.919 things going forward. You know. It just it just came 282 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.399 to a point where and this is me speaking, where 283 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:28.840 college athletics became so profitable the TV contracts and in 284 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.480 the player contracts and the and the presidents and ad 285 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.879 contracts became such a big sport that it just felt 286 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.039 like it was time for the student athletes to participate 287 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.279 in that business model. And I think that's what we're seeing. 288 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.279 And it's not easy. It hasn't been smooth. Obviously, the 289 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.559 transfer portal has muddy that order up in terms of 290 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:45.600 what this could look like. But going forward now with 291 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:47.679 the plan. I think it's going to be cleaner. I 292 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.360 think they will address the transporportal at some point and 293 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.120 it'll make things fair for everybody else. 294 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.360 So so you guys have to come up with that 295 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.639 money the universities, not just you've able to all universities. 296 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.440 So is NIL done with? 297 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.039 So nil, you know, it's that's something when we speak 298 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.000 on But NIL is a is a third party. It 299 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.320 is an agreement between a third party and a student 300 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.080 athlete that you know, if somebody in the community wants 301 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:12.960 to go out and sponsor an athlete, where they have 302 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.240 to present an athlete with the contract and that contract 303 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.080 now has to go to the NCAA August where it 304 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.200 has to be looked over to make sure it is 305 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.399 a fair market value and if it's determined so then 306 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.799 they'll allow that deal to transpire. And for some reason 307 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.519 that isn't allowed and they too, an athlete still participates 308 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.759 in that. That's something that could hurt the university. So 309 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.440 we're going to be policing that very closely. 310 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:35.840 Okay, So that's that's could be on top of on 311 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.360 top of that, correct, if they're able to do it, 312 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:40.919 that could be on top of the twenty million correct. 313 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.279 So you could have all these deals on top of 314 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.279 your rev share, you know where some people will get 315 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:47.480 a competitive avantage there. But that's why we need individuals 316 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.960 in Tucson to step up in that area as well. 317 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:51.519 What a good time to be a college y. Actually, 318 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.279 what a bad time to be an administrator? That's crazy, 319 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.679 Reggie crazy, Reggie. 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