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Speaker 1: By W M n H Rip the novels.

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Speaker 2: Sigh.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to W M n H ninety five

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point three, Command God, don't get supper Leada Maxwell coming.

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Speaker 1: Up.

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Speaker 4: Some days I'd sell my mine dog and that love

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me so cut the darkest places.

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Speaker 5: So I'll fine if you can't breathe that sekay.

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Speaker 6: Sola can't pray. I can't see it's.

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Speaker 1: All this bad and go on my mind with all the.

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Speaker 7: Truth being come.

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Speaker 4: At the age being so guy breathing deep be my life.

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If you take the bill as so.

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Speaker 2: So way ba.

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Speaker 5: Pray, I can't see with all this bad come my mind.

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I'm a can tell all I don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't convis leave bouts mass but.

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Speaker 6: Really I'm in it up to see the wood.

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Speaker 8: So Coby best, I can't pray. I can't see you

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as all this bad.

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Speaker 7: My That is called breakdown. That's the name of the song,

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and the project is called Becoming Human. Welcome everybody. We

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have entered our number three new marrow, Trace of Matt

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Connerton unleashed on this Saturday, March one, twenty twenty five.

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Jenny is here, of course at the news table, and

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we have joining us via skype let me get that

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up here. We've got my favorite band. Yeah, we've got

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Jordan Barney from Becoming Human on Skype with us.

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Speaker 2: Jordan, are you there, I'm here, can you hear me?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, you sound great. Love that love that track breakdown,

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very very catchy.

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Speaker 2: Yank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely Now, So tell us about Becoming Human, because

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now this is not a full band, right, this is

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a solo project.

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Speaker 9: Well, this actually is in the last couple of years,

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has grown quite a bit. I do have a drummer now,

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and I have a I also have a bass player,

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but the bass player just joined the did play on

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that track.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, very cool, very cool. So is But it

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started out this started out just you right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So I was in a band for years and kind

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of wow myself kind of just alone now, and I

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was like, all right, well, let me time, let me

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just rebuild myself a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 9: I wasn't always a singer before in my other band,

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I was just I was mostly like a me and

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I had a singer and we would write the songs

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together kind of. And then from yeah, from like twenty

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nineteen to twenty twenty two, I was like, all right,

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let me really take my singing more seriously. And yeah,

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so I just kind of started becoming human by myself

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and my old drummer actually who's he's in the band now,

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kind of took interest to it and he was like, hey,

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I remember asking him if he knew any drummers because

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he was super busy, like he was a he's a

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very busy guy, and he was like, I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, awesome, Oh that is cool.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well that works right as somebody you've worked with before,

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and that's perfect, that's perfect. Yep. Where does the name

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come from? I'm curious if there's a particular meaning to

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you behind the name becoming human?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so so I mean like the last.

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Speaker 9: Five or six years for me have been kind of,

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uh yeah, like a rebuild a little bit. They A

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lot of my songs are very mental mental health related

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and kind of spreading the awareness of mental health, especially

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in men because they're For a while it was pretty stigmatized.

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And you know, I got the I got the whole,

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you know, even for my own mom be a man,

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man up when I was younger, you know. Uh so

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I kind of, you know, I'm slowly trying to become human,

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so you know, in a way kind of by you know,

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doing my therapy, doing getting in the gym all the time,

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and just kind of you know, being being myself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can relate to that, and I I really

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like what you're doing because I you know, I'm someone

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who I've struggled with depression my whole life, and you know,

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and there is obviously, i mean there's less of a

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stigma then there used to be. Yeah, it's getting better

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in that sense, but there is still a stigma. You know,

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for for a big chunk of my life. I would

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try to hide it, you know. You know, you put

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on the fake smile and you try to hide it,

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you know, and at a certain point, hiding it just

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gets exhausting, you know.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, because we you know, everybody has the same emotions.

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we all have like the same emotions and stuff like that.

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for for everybody. But yeah, it was definitely kind of

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at the beginning, it was, yeah, because I mean I

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grew up in one of those yeah, grow up households

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or like you know, I grew up in one of

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those Uh yeah, man up right.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't show it. Yeah, that's weak.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's definitely kind of uh me expressing myself

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in that way and also kind of also want I

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want people to know that like you not alone, you know,

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like I've gone through this. Every week, we've gone through this,

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We've all gone through this stuff. Uh So yeah, that's

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pretty That's the central message behind pretty much every every

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song that I've done so far.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious as your in terms of your family's understanding

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of you and that aspect of you. Has that changed?

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or maybe just through you know, relationships change over time.

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able to understand that better than they did then or

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your your your your laugh makes me think probably not.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, Yeah, there's not a whole lot of reflection

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that goes on sometimes. So, but I mean our relationship

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has definitely changed over the years, and it's been a lot. Yeah,

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it's it's definitely, uh, it's different than it used to

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be for sure.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, now is that uh has that always kind

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of been a goal of yours to be able to

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address these issues with your music or were you doing

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that in the band that you were in or or

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has that been more something that you've been able to

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do with with becoming human.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's just it's just the easiest thing

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for me to write about. I remember in my the

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old band, it was a lot different, the lyrics were

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a lot different. He had gone through his own stuff.

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had gone through his own stuff. So but yeah, this one,

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for some reason, they it just it's easy for me

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to write about. And I enjoy writing about it, and

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talking to somebody about it, like they're like they you,

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they're kind of like, oh wow, Like it almost seems

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like even me, like I was like, there's like a

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sense of relief there that like, oh God, I'm so

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glad I'm not the only person that goes through this,

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right my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 9: So I think just like, yeah, putting it out there

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in the world, I think I think it put somebody's mind,

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at least part of it to ease a little bit

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that like, hey, you know somebody else did that, somebody

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else also did this, And I think there's like a

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it's therapeutic in that way too.

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Speaker 7: Well, I always say too And this is something that

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comes up a lot on the show. Is anytime that

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or or or anything else, any sort of trauma or

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or health issues or anything anything that's bad, if you

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can take it and and create something from that, then

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you've taken that, You've done something positive with it. You're

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creating an art, whether it's music or visual art or

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anything at all. Uh you know, that's that's the best

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therapy and that and that's not I don't mean that

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to negate any other kinds of therapy or or you know,

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anything that people have to do to try to feel better.

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that not only not only are you creating something so

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it helps you, but it helps other people too, and

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other people can relate to it and get something from it.

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And uh so I think that's great. Was that difficult

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at first when you first started writing music writing lyrics

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about that? Was it challenging at first? Or did that

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come easily because there's obviously now doing that, there's a

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level of vulnerability there that wasn't there before that you

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have to you know that you have to be able

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to be vulnerable, right, I mean, was was that hard

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, because you know, there's you know, I have

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like you know, significant other in my life and people

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other people friends in my life and they'll be like

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sometimes they'll be like, is this is this real? Because

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this is really how you you know, this is really

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how you feel. But I got to explain to that,

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you know, you explained to them like, yeah, this is

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something that I've been going through since I was a kid.

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you know, and it's also but yeah, yeah, definitely definitely

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. And now in terms of you doing you

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like so the band a vintage year when that ended

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in twenty nineteen. Now was that did that ending have

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of musicians we talked to, you know, the pandemic really

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lot of people. But I'm just curious, or maybe it's

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a coincidence or I don't know, but what was the

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ending of that band? What precipitated that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, coincidence. We started in like twenty fourteen. Yeah, and

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we moved to Austin in twenty seventeen, the same drummer.

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and then we just had a different sing We had

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a singer. They hated each other the second when they

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moved here for I don't I don't know what the

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heck happened.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they like.

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Speaker 9: They were best friends one day and then all of

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a sudden they were hated each other. And it's like

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the classic band. It's like the classic band story. I

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remember liked the singer being like I can't I can't

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stand him anymore, blah blah blah, and so like me

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and Nick actually kind of the drummer in Becoming Human,

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of years because advinted year was also like my baby

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, So I.

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Speaker 9: Stuck with the singer and then in twenty and then,

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and me and hitting Me and the singer kind of

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Speaker 9: So we kind of just split up and he went

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it's I have to pretty much figure out a way

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to do everything at first, you know, if I'm gonna

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be if I'm going to attract other musicians to be

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interested in and in taking part in this. So yeah,

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like a rebuild phase. So it was kind of like

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good timing because it wasn't like there was anything going

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that world, right right, So it's just good timing. And

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then yeah, I launched a project in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, Yeah, it's cool. Too, that you were

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able to take that time to kind of, as you

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put it, rebuild because you know, the pandemic that's another

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example of something terrible that we all had to go through.

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where we can and and a lot of people did

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take that time, you know, to kind of rebuild, reassess,

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you know, find a new direction and find new ways

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to be creative too, and perhaps explore their own I

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mean a lot of musicians, you know, kind of explore

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their own creativity in ways that maybe they they weren't

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doing or had neglected or didn't have time to do,

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and now they suddenly have perhaps maybe more time than

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they than they wanted in certain instances. And depending on

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your situation, but was it was it kind of liberating

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to to sort of start over to like was it

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like okay, you know I can I can put a

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vintage gear behind me and just just sort of start fresh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely it was, yeah, because you know, now if

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if it if it fails, it's my fault. That's kind

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of like the you know we're before it was kind

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of like I don't know, and like I said maybe

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like over time, I think me and like the singer

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of a Vintageyar kind of like, yeah, we just became

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misaligned with our goals. But yeah, this time it's like okay,

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like like I'm I'm gonna bring I'm gonna do the

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work first, and then I'll bring the people in and

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then I'll I'll they'll like, I'll bring them in and

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they'll kind of if they're they're joining me because they

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you know, they like the music and stuff. So it's

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it was a little bit. Yeah, it was, uh, I

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got do it my way this time, basically.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. Now you're not you're not from Austin originally, right,

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you moved there.

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Speaker 9: I moved there in twenty seventeen. Yeah, I'm originally born

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in Rochester, New York.

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Speaker 7: Oh right, that's right. Okay, I remember reading that. Yes, Rochester,

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New York. So that's a pretty big that's a pretty

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big move. Yeah, now what what precipitated that?

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Speaker 9: So in like twenty sixteen, you know, me and Nick

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the drummer Joe who was the old singer of Vintage,

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we really we took music very seriously and Rochester doesn't

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really have the like the amenities for music that a

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bigger city does. Yeah, it's funny because like, looking back,

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I think it does now it does.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know that at the time though.

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Speaker 9: We were very you know, I was kind of we

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were rush bell kids, so yeah, we were very naive

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to like other cities and like what other things looked like.

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Speaker 2: So we just but and our singer was from Houston origin.

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Speaker 9: Oh uh yeah, so that's and yeah, he ended up

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in Rochester, but he met his wife in the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 2: His wife was from Rochester, Okay, so that's how he

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ended up there. Yeah, so we.

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Speaker 9: I knew, I knew, Like I was like, I don't

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want to live in Houston because, like I I've I've

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already seen enough extreme weather, Like you know, Rochester gets

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like one hundred and twenty inches of snow a year

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being on the Great Lakes there. So I was like,

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what about Austin and he was like, yeah, that sounds great.

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And we saw that it was like they call it

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the live capital music of the World, and oh that's

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pretty cool. So they have like, yeah, there's a lot

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of decent musician amenities here. There's a lot of work

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for especially because I also mix and produce as well.

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Speaker 2: I work with other bands.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so all the music that I you hear that

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I put out, I've engineered and produced and stuff like that.

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So which is definitely that's a big game. That's a

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game changer. If you can do all your own stuff, yes,

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and you're broke U it helps.

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 9: So I also I also I do that too for

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other bands here. So there's just more musicians here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: In hindsight, I don't think it's that much different. I

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think Rochester definitely has the scene. Uh, but it is

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mostly like Rochester's very nerdy city. It's very jazz orchestra. Uh,

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and then the other side is country music. So it

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was kind of like, can we bridge that gap in

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a different city.

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Speaker 7: Right right? Yeah, Austin is uh yeah, that's a great

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music city and obviously too, you know, people who don't

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know people think of Actually I think this came up

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recently on the show. Jenny and I were talking about this.

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I think it was last week. We had this conversation

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about Texas. You know, people think of Texas and they

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think of country music or some people you know, and

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they don't realize that, you know, in some areas like Austin,

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of course, is such a such a variety of music

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that comes out of Austin, Yeah, you know, and and

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other other cities, and you know, Dallas Fort Worth there's

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a lot of metal bands that we've talked to from

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that area and so forth. So so there's there's a

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lot going on. You know, there's a lot of dynamism

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in the music scene and in Texas, uh broadly. And

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but it sounds like, so you you were able to

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to do the the producing and and mixing and everything forward.

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Do you have a lot of artists that you work with?

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Is is that? Is that a full time endeavor?

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Speaker 9: No, it's good. But I'm you know, this year has

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been pretty good for me. I've worked with quite a

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few of them and good.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 9: So but yeah, for a long time, it was just

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I just wanted to kind of be able to do

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the like I just I really enjoy the the writing,

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the creative process and then seeing it like kind.

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Speaker 2: Of build build it. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So uh I was just doing that myself, and then

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somebody was like, man, you should like start working with

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other bands because you know your mixes are really good.

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Uh so yeah, And so I say, like a couple

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of years ago, I kind of started putting myself out

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there a little bit with very little return, which is fine, Like.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a it's competitive.

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Speaker 9: But then yeah, so and then this year it's kind

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of like starting to pick up a little bit words

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kind of getting around. So yeah, and it's funny because, like,

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you know, I mentioned that we wanted we thought moving

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to Austin would kind of but like it's like with

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the like and I think in the past like seven six, seven,

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eight years, social media has like grown so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I'm I'm.

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Speaker 9: Literally talking to you guys right now, and you guys

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are in New Hampshire. I think we I think somebody

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connected us together. We have like a mutual friend I

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think or something. So but it's just so funny because

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like you and I could literally be anywhere right now.

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So it's like, is is the city you live in?

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Speaker 2: Does it really matter anymore?

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Speaker 7: Right? Yeah? Social media has really changed that and uh,

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you know, and we live in an era too where

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and again this is something that really grew during the

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pandemic where it's it's easier to collaborate with people musically

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from from anywhere in the world. And you know, obviously

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even before the pandemic, you could do that, you know,

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you could send tracks back and forth and so forth.

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But I think the pandemic really forced people to think

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more creatively, yes, and to and to embrace the technology

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that we already had, but maybe we're not using to

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its full potential. So and I assume too. I mean,

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you know, you probably enjoy the winter in Austin a

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lot more than you did when you were in Rochester.

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Speaker 9: I'm guessing right, yes, yeah, I it's yeah, sometimes like

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I'll go out, I'll walk out side leave it even

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right now, like or like a few like a couple

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of weeks ago, it was like seventy five degrees and

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it like blows my mind. It's like Sonny and seventy

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five to this day. And I've been here for a

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long time. I've been here since twenty seventeen. So yeah,

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I'll go outside it like, man, this is crazy to

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this day still, Like yes, I don't know if I'll

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ever get used to it, but yeah, it's still kind

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of like yeah, and it's weird because like you know,

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if you're from up north or the northeast, like being

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down south is like that reminds you of like vacation times.

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I'll go outside and I'll get hit with that southern,

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warm winter smell and I'll be like, that's Disney World

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or you know, that's a vacation.

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Speaker 7: Oh that does that does sound nice?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 2: It's something else. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: There's this guy from the New England area named Matt

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Matt Roberto. He he played on one of my tracks.

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I think, I think you guys, I there's a maybe

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it's not you guys, but I was like, somebody plays

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it all the time, and I think that's how I

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ended up on this. His name's Matt, Yeah, he was.

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He played on we have a track called Make It Hurt.

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He played bass on it, and he's really like he's

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got like kind of a fan base out there, which

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is funny. Oh okay, so that's I think that's how

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I because I was like, I was like, how do

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I know these guys? Again, I was like, I think

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I was connected. We were connected through somebody, a mutual person.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've we've talked to a lot of

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artists from Texas and Okay, there's a gentleman named Mike Woolsey,

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who uh kind of that's where it started. He's a

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nic moonfallen.

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Speaker 2: Do you know I think that Yes, I think that

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name's not definitely name sounds familiar.

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Speaker 7: That might be who connected us.

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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah, he's great and

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small world.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Well, like you were saying, though, you know,

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social media has made it such.

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Speaker 2: They brought itself together. Yeah, like everybody's closer now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. Now, what's what's the situation in terms of

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live shows? Are you do you play? Do you play

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this material out? Are you able to play this material out?

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Since it's you and now now you have a drummer

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and a bass player, right, so how does that all work?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we've been playing now for uh well, our first

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we had our first show about almost a year ago,

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our first live show, and it was just me and

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the drummer. So we were backing track the bass guitar okay,

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which was interesting, but nobody really seemed to mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked, but I really.

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Speaker 9: Kind of wanted uh you know, the having another brain

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definitely makes a huge difference, especially because I do play bass,

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but I'm not like somebody who spends a lot of

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time on the bass guitar.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I.

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Speaker 9: Wanted somebody who is like a specialist on the bass

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guitar and we yeah, we brought this guy a named

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Mike and he's amazing and so yeah, we've.

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Speaker 2: Been playing with him.

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Speaker 9: He's played with us the last four or five gigs

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and it's been awesome. And yeah, that we wet. We

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do the material live silver like the SYNTHI stuff we

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back that that gets put in the backing tracks, which

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is yeah, it's whatever. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's pretty

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easy to pull off live.

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Speaker 2: It's been great, Oh, excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 7: Are you playing out a lot?

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Speaker 9: We are, Yeah, we have a we have a show

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on the eighth at this place called Anderson Mill Pub,

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which is right down the street from where I live,

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which is really cool. And then we're playing a show

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in Rochester in April, so that'll be fun too.

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Speaker 7: Well Rochester, New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rochester, New York.

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Speaker 7: Oh cool.

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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah yeah, And my buddy Matt, who's from Providence,

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is gonna he's gonna play with me there.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna fill it on. Yeah, so that'd be fun.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's excellent, excellent. Yeah. And what's what's kind of

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the the trajectory in terms of have you released an

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album or just singles at this point, just.

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Speaker 9: Doing singles, but I think eventually, when I have enough,

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I think it would be cool to kind of release

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a physical album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know people still like that.

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Speaker 9: I was very disappointed to find out that a lot

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of new stuff doesn't have CD players anymore, Like my

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laptop doesn't have one. A lot of new cars don't

475
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,640
have CD players anymore. My old laptop does. But yeah,

476
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
so like I'm a guy that holds onto technology for

477
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,799
like a decade.

478
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I'm always behind.

479
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 9: So like, yeah, like my girlfriend had we've gotten, like

480
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:51,680
she bought me a laptop for Christmas, like a new

481
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,319
one because mine was old. Yeah, and uh it was

482
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,039
a really nice one. And I was like, where's the

483
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,119
CD player. She's like, there's no CD players anymore. I

484
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,160
was like, are you Yeah. I was very very shocked.

485
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,240
So I'm always behind, like technology wise, yeah, but yeah,

486
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:07,680
so that I do want to come out with a

487
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,480
full length album with the songs that I've released the

488
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,839
past few years. But yeah, so the the whole CD

489
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:17,440
format is the album format. It's it works. It's just

490
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,559
everything moves so fast in the music industry now, I know.

491
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like the city.

492
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,759
Speaker 9: Like if you really, if you drop a whole album,

493
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:26,400
a lot of people are like, it's it's kind of

494
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,079
a waste.

495
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 7: That's the problem.

496
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, unless you have a unless you already have like

497
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,440
a huge fan base, like if you're like Radiohead or

498
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Chevelle or cold Play, right, you can, you can do that.

499
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,160
But if you're somebody who's still trying to grow, it's

500
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,759
really tricky. But I think we are growing. I think

501
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,759
we just we just hit three thousand monthly listeners on Spotify, which.

502
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 7: Is oh good good.

503
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, so eventually we will do like a physical album

504
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,480
like CD release, I think.

505
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny. Jenny was asking me just the other

506
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,200
day if we had anything at home to play CDs on.

507
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,680
We actually, believe it or not, we don't. I had

508
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,920
a man that doesn't even work anymore. That was the

509
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,319
last thing I had. I think that that you could

510
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:08,759
even play CDs on. Yeah, yeah, we don't have anything.

511
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think like cars don't even have CD players anymore. Yeah,

512
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,759
it's like my car still is a CD player because

513
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,000
it's ten years old or fifth they yet out thirteen

514
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:17,480
years old.

515
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my laptop does not.

516
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 7: We have one here at the radio station. In fact,

517
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,240
a guy named Rob as a veto he owes to

518
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,240
show here called Granted State of Mind on Friday nights,

519
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,240
and he uses the CD player that we have here

520
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:32,799
and it works. But yeah, but we don't have one

521
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,000
at home. And but a lot of the guests that

522
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
we have in studio, you know, they they they're still

523
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,160
doing physical CDs. They'll often bring CDs in, you know,

524
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,359
just because I think a lot of and with vinyl too,

525
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:46,720
you know a lot of our guests they'll even spend

526
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:51,599
the money to uh to do vinyl. But I strongly

527
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,119
suspect my theory about that is with vinyl, and probably

528
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,920
it applies to CDs too. I think a lot of

529
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,200
people who who buy them never actually open them, or

530
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:03,720
or they might open them and look at them, but

531
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,839
never actually play them because they just you know, if

532
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,960
you're really a plan, Yeah, if you're really a fan

533
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
of an artist, it's nice to have. But yeah, I

534
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,519
always liked, you know, if I'm really a fan of somebody,

535
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,400
like you know, opening it up and looking at the

536
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,160
liner notes and everything, and yeah, so there's definitely still

537
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,599
a market for that. But but I but but I

538
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,279
understand what you're saying. Too about you know, if you

539
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,279
put out an album all at once and it's kind

540
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,079
of like once that blows over. Yeah, you know, yeah,

541
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,079
it almost seems like a waste.

542
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,599
Speaker 2: That's the tricky Yeah, the tricky part.

543
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 9: So I see, I think at the end we will

544
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,640
culminate a whole album together and then if people want

545
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,519
to buy it, well, I'll make them. I'll buy Yeah,

546
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:43,400
I'll make them. And that's kind of how I've been

547
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,240
doing this project because it was just a side project originally,

548
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,960
and but I always like, I mean, it's if you

549
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,799
guys want me to keep making songs, I'll keep me.

550
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: I'll keep making songs. It was kind of like like

551
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:56,680
a lot of.

552
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 9: My friends at the beginning were just listening to it,

553
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:00,920
so I just kept I kept releasing them. Yeah, guys.

554
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,480
So that's kind of how I've been doing things. Like

555
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,119
if people are like asking me, hey, like we want

556
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,920
something to hold on to, we want like a CD,

557
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,880
or we want something physical, we want vinyl, Okay, yeah.

558
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: Let's let's get it. Let me get it, let me

559
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:12,799
I'll get it.

560
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 7: Done right right, yeah exactly, and we're going to uh,

561
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,400
the time goes so quickly, Jordan, but in a moment

562
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,160
we're going to play this track. I'm fine at the

563
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,519
end of our conversation, but I do want people. I

564
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,799
want our listeners to know where should they go, where's

565
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,720
the best places to go to find you online? To

566
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,680
keep up with everything that you're doing, with everything that

567
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,799
Becoming Human is doing, so that we don't miss anything. Yeah,

568
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,119
as you're putting out new music and playing shows and

569
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,440
all that.

570
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:46,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, so you could find me www dot becoming humanatx

571
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,440
dot com is that's kind of the hub for everything.

572
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:55,319
Instagram becoming human at X, Facebook becoming human atx atx

573
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,400
means Austin, Texas, and then Spotify becoming human. Now there

574
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,039
is two becoming humans. There's a like a rapper, not me,

575
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,200
I am the I am the plain black the white

576
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,359
text that is becoming human. Okay, Yeah, a lot of

577
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,680
people will be like this is you, and I'm like, no,

578
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,440
that's not me. So yeah, it's just plain black text

579
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,680
becoming human. The logo that's me.

580
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 7: Well, at least it's a different genre of music, so

581
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,359
that's exactly less confusing. Otherwise you can really run into trouble.

582
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,680
So exactly, Yeah, and anything we should know about this track,

583
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,480
I'm fine the title makes me think it might be

584
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,920
about what we were talking about earlier.

585
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is the first track that Nick played on.

586
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 9: This came out a few months ago, so it's still

587
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:49,319
kind of new. It's yeah, something I remember my therapist said.

588
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: She's like because she asked me how am I?

589
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 9: And I said I'm fine, and she's like, seldomly does

590
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:57,519
that when someone when someone says I'm fine, seldomly are

591
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:58,400
they really fine?

592
00:30:58,599 --> 00:30:59,519
Speaker 7: Right exactly?

593
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, So it was kind of like, oh so I

594
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,880
kind of like made a whole song about it, and yeah,

595
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,279
mostly this one's just kind of like, this is dealing

596
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,599
with like anxiety and panic attacks, which I struggled with

597
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,200
through in my twenties really bad. I had a really

598
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,640
really rough got with panic attacks in my twenties. Oh wow,

599
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,279
so that's what that's what this one, This one's about

600
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,319
dealing with that.

601
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,799
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, again, certainly relatable to a lot of people,

602
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:28,039
myself included. So that'll that'll be a great way to

603
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960
end it. So Jordan, we will uh, we will let

604
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,440
you go and then I'm gonna hit that track. But

605
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000
thank you so much for joining us today and as

606
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,400
you're releasing new music, we'll we'll have you back on

607
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,440
because it's been a great discussion. I really enjoyed talking

608
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,720
with you and we're a very big fan of what

609
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:43,200
you're doing.

610
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Thank you. Likewise, yeah, I will definitely do that.

611
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,359
Speaker 7: All right, Jordan, all right, sounds good, Thank you, my friend,

612
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:49,279
and we'll talk you.

613
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, talk to you soon, all right, bye bye bye.

614
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 7: All right, Jordan Barney from Becoming Human, Let's hit this track.

615
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:11,680
This is called I'm fine.

616
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:14,519
Speaker 10: It's time when you're not ok.

617
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, thought the rock, it's time, it's so good.

618
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,599
Speaker 5: The lab lines.

619
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:27,759
Speaker 4: And one steps away.

620
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,759
Speaker 11: Why does he run? It's time?

621
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:40,799
Speaker 5: I'm not okay, Fried the god.

622
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 7: We ain't cross b.

623
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:56,839
Speaker 11: By the way by the way, her fool amarra go

624
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:08,279
side bye bye way by the way, mind the surrided,

625
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,359
but easy.

626
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 12: You're rising on my one. This time it's borrow away.

627
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Lab bob besid this time as.

628
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 11: After that July a week.

629
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:55,799
Speaker 2: When not.

630
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 7: And my not okay, sprack go.

631
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 2: Waiting from my.

632
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:19,679
Speaker 11: Bay the way by the way, beautiful.

633
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,599
Speaker 5: The better go side.

634
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 11: Fine by the way, by the way, the easy If

635
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:57,400
you're there, my when.

636
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 6: You cross that that you left yourselfie your reflection. Nos,

637
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:24,559
won't you keep it? See strack.

638
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: Way from.

639
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:38,159
Speaker 4: By the Way, by the way, Mine's.

640
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 11: Beautiful ard side.

641
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: By the Way, by the way.

642
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm Fine.

643
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 7: Oh that is so cool. I really love that song

644
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,320
that is called I'm Fine. That is Becoming Human. We

645
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,760
just talked with Jordan Barney. If you missed it, of

646
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,679
course you can always check the archive afterward. We'll have

647
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,280
it up shortly after the show today at Wmnhradio dot

648
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,559
organ on my website Matt Coonnorton dot com. But yeah,

649
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:12,039
I really enjoyed talking with Jordan and a big fan

650
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,679
of Becoming Human and we will of course have him

651
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,519
back as he releases new music. But this is Matt

652
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,639
Connorton Unleashed. We are of course we're in our final

653
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,599
segment today on this week's show. It goes too quickly.

654
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,519
I do want to mention too. Last night I was

655
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,880
on Granted State of Mind with the great Rob as

656
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,960
a Veto, as was Texas Mic, So if you miss

657
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,480
that you can check that out. Katie Dobbins was the guest.

658
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,639
She came in and performed live and we listened to

659
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,760
a studio track of hers too, and always a great time.

660
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,960
Always enjoy being on Rob as a Veto's program. Be

661
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,119
sure to check out Pembroke City Limits if you haven't

662
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,440
been there. It's an amazing place. And I just came

663
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,599
in to kind of help out Rob with some sound

664
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,360
and in terms of setting up mikes and that kind

665
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,239
of thing. But and of course he invited me to

666
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
be on mike and participate in the show. So I'll

667
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,639
always enjoy that, grantit state of mind, and don't forget too.

668
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,599
Of course, this week's retro Spectrum Radio. If you miss that,

669
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,400
you can check that out. And of course it is

670
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,559
the first day of spring now, not technically. I realize

671
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,360
that before anyone gets on me about oh Matt, it's

672
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,559
not till what is it March twentieth? I know according

673
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,840
to the calendar. However, as I've said many times, as

674
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,559
I say every year, I learned this from my dad

675
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,360
when when I was growing up. My dad always told

676
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,400
me because he doesn't like winter either, he doesn't like

677
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,239
it any more than I do. He always said he

678
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,559
likes to think of winter as really only being two

679
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:37,480
months long. It's January and February is logic being most

680
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,760
of December is technically still fall anyway, and you usually

681
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,079
don't get till the really bitter cold, nasty weather till January,

682
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,559
so then you have January and February to contend with.

683
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,519
Once you get to March, it's technically still winter, but

684
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,079
you kind of don't care at that point. Even if

685
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,719
there's a blizzard, you know it's all going to melt

686
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,360
away any day. So my dad likes to think of

687
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,800
March first as the first day of spring, and that

688
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,679
is how I think of it as well. And by

689
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,199
the way, if you ask a meteorologist about that, they

690
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,000
will tell you the same thing, because March, actually March,

691
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:11,440
April May are meteorological spring, that's how they think of it,

692
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,920
and then June, July and August are meteor me it's

693
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,320
so hard to say that word meteorological summer and so forth.

694
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:24,199
I learned that Jenny from al Caprillion, really, yes, many

695
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,159
years ago. That about the about how meteorologists, how they

696
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,920
just think of the think of the seasons. As you know,

697
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,920
summer is June, July, August.

698
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,559
Speaker 1: I look at it this way. We're listening two weeks

699
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:37,800
away from changing the clocks.

700
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,199
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true too, and that's my moment.

701
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, when I have more daylight, I will feel better, right,

702
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:44,159
I can't wait.

703
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,519
Speaker 7: Right, I'm done with this before we go into further too.

704
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,920
We're going to kind of circle back to something we

705
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,280
were doing earlier in the show. But we should also

706
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,400
because I don't want to run out of time. You're

707
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,400
you've got something coming up pretty big.

708
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I do coming up this. Oh my goodness,

709
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:04,920
I just lost the date.

710
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 7: Uh oh oh, oh gosh.

711
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: Because I have the poster in front of me. What

712
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:11,519
is it, March fifteenth?

713
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 7: I believe I don't remember offhand.

714
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: I have your other schedule in front of me. Yes,

715
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:16,920
I'm multitask.

716
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,039
Speaker 7: Yes, Jenny does all for those who don't know.

717
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: Jenny also does all that going on while I'm sitting here.

718
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 7: Oh excellent. Jenny also does all the booking. She books

719
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,119
the guests for the show.

720
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm sitting here, this happens.

721
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 7: Yes.

722
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,559
Speaker 10: So on March fifteenth, there's a really unique art show

723
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,519
coming up here in the Queen City, and I'm really

724
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,920
excited to be a part of it. The Uncensored Underground

725
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,840
Art Experience will take place on March fifteenth from six

726
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,800
to eight pm at twenty Garden Walk here in the

727
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,159
Queen City. It's a showcase of political, provocative and otherwise

728
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,920
anti censorship art. There's going to be a lot of

729
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,480
different artists there, work from people like Porscha Jones, excuse me,

730
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,960
DApp or Tom grim Dark. Really looking forward to this.

731
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,920
I'm excited to be a part of this display. My contribute.

732
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: My contribution is in regards to what you all know

733
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,679
that I fight all the time, which is insurance trying

734
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,199
to get.

735
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,039
Speaker 10: The coverage that we all pay for, and that spurred

736
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,239
off a series of paintings from my personal experiences of

737
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,440
having to stay on the line for three hours waiting

738
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,800
for an agent and trying to get a prior authorization

739
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,360
and all those lovely things that we all end up

740
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,199
having to do in order to acquire the healthcare that

741
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,800
we all deserve. So if you want to check out

742
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,119
that artwork and one of them, actually you get to

743
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:44,960
play with three D glasses with with one of my paintings, yes,

744
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,760
which is exciting for me because I just think that's

745
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,360
fun to play with.

746
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: Anyway, check out this amazing show.

747
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 10: I think it's great that it's going to be provocative

748
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,440
and political and get the juices going and get people going,

749
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,559
because art should do that.

750
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 1: Art should make you uncomfortable sometimes and art should make

751
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,280
you think and want to chat with one another.

752
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,199
Speaker 10: So absolutely check out the Undercensored Underground Art Experience on

753
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,760
March fifteenth from six to eight pm at twenty Garden

754
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,800
Walk here in the Queen City of Manchester.

755
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 7: And we should also mention today for those listening live

756
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,159
on Saturday, Jesse Coffee is performing live at Great North Ailworks.

757
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,159
Speaker 10: Is he's also located here in the Queen City because

758
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,480
we have some of the greatest things here in Manchester,

759
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,760
the Great North Aleworks. Jesse Coffee, singer songwriter will be

760
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,559
performing tonight starting at four pm. They have a lot

761
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,760
of home it's all home crafted al's and brews and

762
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,000
it's a really awesome local family business. Come out and

763
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,800
support the local businesses. Check them out, come out, have

764
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,840
a drink, listen to my son play. He's really talented, talented.

765
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:02,039
Speaker 7: And should we also mention the doorbell the doorbell. Someone

766
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,039
rang our doorbell here which is unusual.

767
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 10: And oh my god, so we had a visitor stop by.

768
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,559
Why you were chatting and that was Crispy the comedian. Yes,

769
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,840
he was so excited to hear you talk about him

770
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,840
and mentioned that he's a good comedian and he gave

771
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,960
me a glow in the dark pan.

772
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh, glow in the Dark pen is from Peller in

773
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Motor Sports.

774
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 7: Okay.

775
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 10: Also here a Manchester, New Hampshire business and I'm really

776
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,840
liking the pen that glows and I'm sorry you guys

777
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
can't see it because radio is theater.

778
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 7: Of the mind.

779
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: But it's a green pen.

780
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,559
Speaker 10: We'll take a picture that lights up and says the

781
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:40,239
business and their phone number.

782
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm I get to keep the pen.

783
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 7: Yes, the pen to me? Okay, well, very good.

784
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm happy I likes yes.

785
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:50,079
Speaker 7: So thank thank you, Crispy.

786
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: It was so cool that he stopped by. He wanted

787
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,639
to say thank you. He really loved hearing you talk

788
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:56,599
about it, and we love talking about you and we

789
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,280
hope to have you come in and sit with us

790
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,239
one of these days. Yeah, make everybody else laugh.

791
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, he hasn't been on the show in years.

792
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 1: I know, I know when he's ready. When he's ready,

793
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,039
you want to come on, give us some jokes. We'd

794
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:07,519
love to hear you.

795
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And if you want to be on Matt Connaton Unleashed,

796
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,199
all you gotta do is give us a contact.

797
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: Well, it's not all you gotta do. Well, Yeah, I mean,

798
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:19,880
you know, there are other requirements.

799
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,079
Speaker 10: Mental telepathy maybe yeah, well yeah, send us your music,

800
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
follow us what you're doing, what's going on in the

801
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,440
arts community.

802
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,559
Speaker 1: Are you an author? Did you write a book? Want

803
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,679
to hear about it. If you have something to do

804
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,760
with arts, music, the creative spaces of the world, we

805
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,400
want to hear you.

806
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 10: So you can email me at gen Coffee sixteen at

807
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,800
gmail dot com, or visit my website for more information

808
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,440
at gen Coffee j E N N co O f

809
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:50,760
f EI dot com.

810
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 7: So, speaking of of creative spaces, so we did something

811
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,159
earlier on the show. So again if you're which I'm

812
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,920
bothered by, or on a different day, if you're listening

813
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,159
to the replay of the show. But so something that

814
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,599
I've been thinking about doing live on the air for

815
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,639
a long time and we just had never gotten to

816
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,320
it until today. But today we had the time. Suno

817
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,119
dot com is one of several there are several now available.

818
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,559
One of these websites and by the way, they've been

819
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:24,519
sued a bunch and there's a lot going on. But

820
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,119
this is one of these AI websites where you go

821
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,519
on and you put in a prompt for a song,

822
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,719
idea that you have and it will create an AI

823
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,639
generated song for you. And so I wanted to try

824
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,119
this live on the air, and it was pretty shocking.

825
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,599
The results that we got as shocking in that they're

826
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:52,519
really good, especially really good. And by the way, I

827
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,320
will wear it. And by the way, I am going

828
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,480
to put these up on YouTube later because we didn't

829
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,840
even play the entire each prompt that we tried. It

830
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,639
gave us two versions, so I'm gonna put all of

831
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
it up on YouTube later because we didn't listen to

832
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,880
the entire songs. But I may have reignited my my

833
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,280
beef with MC hammer because I asked it to make

834
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,280
distracts about MC Hammer. That's a long story. That's a

835
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,360
long story. Uh why So if mc hammer comes to

836
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,320
get me, uh, yep, we'll be in separate rooms and

837
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,239
hopefully will leave you.

838
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: So you want to be a trouble maker in the doghouse?

839
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, but I don't please Hammer, don't hurt me.

840
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:41,360
But uh so, so the technology is incredible. But anyway, so, uh, Jenny,

841
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,639
you had mentioned something while we were listening to these

842
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:52,039
incredible AI generated tracks with all the wonder and concern

843
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,159
that comes with that because good reason, because there's a

844
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:58,400
lot going on and artists are very concerned, and and yeah,

845
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,920
with very good reason. Like I said, these turned out

846
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,079
to be Souno dot com. These turned out to be

847
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719
beyond anything I was expected, especially the first two.

848
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 10: First two really pop those and they basically to me

849
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,159
sounded like ripoffs of Evan essence.

850
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, this is what AI.

851
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:16,599
Speaker 7: We all know.

852
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 10: We've been talking about this and how it affects the

853
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,199
music world. But what Britain is trying to do right now,

854
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:24,880
I don't think it's a good idea, and there's a

855
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,840
lot of artists that are really worried. And here's what's

856
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,280
going on in Parliament. They're talking about passing a law

857
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,480
that would basically mean that companies who use AI to teach,

858
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,320
you know, to do music can use any artist music

859
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,519
that they want, unless the artist chooses.

860
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: To opt out. So the bill would make it legal.

861
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 10: It would make it so everybody's music opts in automatically,

862
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,840
whether you like it or not. Everybody's in, and you

863
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,039
have to go and make it a point to try

864
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,440
and opt out as a musician. And this of course

865
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:03,639
is creating quite the uproar. I mean, Brian May is

866
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,679
talking about it. There's a lot of different artists talking

867
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,599
about it. But interestingly, the BBC is reporting that a

868
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,920
number of artists actually got together and they did something interested.

869
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,239
They created a silent album and when you look at

870
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,559
the album's imagery, but the name of the album is

871
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,320
is this what we want?

872
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,599
Speaker 1: And then it lists the tracks, but the tracks.

873
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 10: Obviously there's no tracks, and it creates a sentence, so

874
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,679
there's it lists twelve tracks, But what it really says

875
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,880
is the British government must not legalize music theft to

876
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,480
benefit AI companies.

877
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: And I have to agree.

878
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,159
Speaker 10: If you're gonna make it, if everybody's in and you

879
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,360
don't get a control over your stuff unless you opt out,

880
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,280
then I agree that is theft.

881
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:57,639
Speaker 7: In my book, What about you, I'm not sure. I'm

882
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,199
not sure if I would use the word theft, but

883
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,840
you know I am. I am deeply concerned about.

884
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:15,599
Speaker 1: I mean again, creating everybody else's creation. You're not coming

885
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:17,079
up with anything original.

886
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 7: Hearing that way hearing. So this little experiment that we

887
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,559
did earlier, creating AI tracks live on the air has

888
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:32,400
left me well speechless, apparently because I'm having hard time

889
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,199
even articulating my thoughts about it there, they're so much

890
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,559
better than anything that I expected that I'm I have

891
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,920
a different level of concern about all of this and

892
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,840
how it affects artists, and perhaps I did before this morning.

893
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:51,519
Does that make sense? Like I'm now, I'm.

894
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: It's worse than you thought in What He Can Do?

895
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it basically created I mean, for lack

896
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,400
of another, it basically ripped off an of its song

897
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920
on those first two as far as really, well.

898
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think it sounded just like me.

899
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,199
But but because I didn't, well I didn't. I didn't

900
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,039
hear a hook like I didn't hear a hit single

901
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:15,760
in those but I did hear I mean, I did

902
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,760
hear something. This sounds like it was probably drawn from

903
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,880
a lot of different influences. But but what I also

904
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,519
heard was something that that if you had played that

905
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,199
for me, if you would if you had played one

906
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,519
of those for me and I had no idea who

907
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:34,400
who the artist was, where the song came from. If

908
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,039
I didn't know anything about it and you played that

909
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,119
for me and you just said, what do you think?

910
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,519
I would probably say, well, this is is this someone

911
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,760
who wants to come on the show because this is incredible.

912
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,760
I want to get them on the show, you know

913
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,599
what I mean. Yeah, Like that's how good and convincing

914
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:58,360
it is. And it was completely AI generated. So and

915
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760
I even kind of joked, like what did I say, Well,

916
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,639
I guess so, I guess music is dead now because

917
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:07,199
we have this, we don't need anyone to create any

918
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,400
more music. And I was kidding, but I was sort

919
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,599
of like half kidding, like, oh my god, like this

920
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,440
this is beyond anything I would have imagined or expected.

921
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,679
Speaker 10: So one of the spokespeople for the Department of Science,

922
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,519
Innovation and Technology, this is in regards.

923
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: To the UK. Their statement, it's quite bold.

924
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 10: Their statement is to say that the current laws that

925
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:39,599
exists in the UK for a copyright is holding back

926
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,440
the creative industries of media and AI sectors from realizing

927
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:45,159
their full.

928
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: Potential, and that it cannot continue, and that's why they

929
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,280
want this.

930
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,039
Speaker 10: Law passed that would allow all of them, empower all

931
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,559
of them to use everybody's everything unless the artist opts out.

932
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: And they call that a a good solution. I've never

933
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,079
been a fan of opt out.

934
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,639
Speaker 10: I've always been a fan of you opt in, not

935
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,320
you know what I mean? Like I I've always hated

936
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:17,360
the whole everybody. This is such a departure from traditional

937
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,239
copyright law.

938
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 7: Well, we're in way, way, way in the uncharted territory

939
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,519
with all of this. This is so far beyond anything

940
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,360
we've ever had to figure out. I mean, oh my god,

941
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:33,519
Like I remember when remember, like I don't know more

942
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,280
than twenty years ago, jeez, maybe twenty five years ago,

943
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:44,800
when when Napster came along and file sharing and everybody, everybody,

944
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,760
everybody at the time was freaking out, and it was like, whoa,

945
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,960
because of the Internet. We're an uncharted territory here. We

946
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,440
had no idea like this makes Napster and file sharing

947
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and everything in the way the Internet started to change

948
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,360
the music industry. This makes that look like a blip

949
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,039
on the radar in terms of cataclysmic or potentially cataclysmic

950
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,760
change to how everything operates. This is so far beyond that.

951
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,679
And I wonder, so my one of my thoughts, and

952
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again I'm kind of if I sound like I'm stumbling

953
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,840
in the dark here and kind of grappling for or

954
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960
grasping at ideas here, it's because again, what we did

955
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:31,000
earlier in the show is really affected how I'm thinking

956
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:36,920
about this because again, this technology is better than what

957
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:40,039
I realized. I guess it's like kind of a slap

958
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,800
in the face of reality because at the end of

959
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:47,480
the day, I will always always advocate on behalf of artists,

960
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although I also love.

961
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,599
Speaker 1: Technology, rip off technology.

962
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 7: But here's the thing though, So I'm wondering. One of

963
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,400
my questions is how hard is it to opt out?

964
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:00,480
Is it a big deal?

965
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: And who do you op out with? Like, is there

966
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,199
gonna are they going to create a government entity that catalogs?

967
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,599
Do these companies have to register?

968
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,159
Speaker 7: How does that work? Well, that's the thing. So I

969
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:14,119
wonder about it.

970
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 10: That current copyright law when you think about it, right,

971
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,639
so we're replacing in some respects the existing law that

972
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exists to protect artists well.

973
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 7: And and but even with current copyright law, when it

974
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:30,039
comes to copyrights and trademarks, a lot of people, entertainment

975
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,320
lawyers for example, will argue that that even the existing

976
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,480
laws are inadequate, even taking AI out of it. Even

977
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,280
before AI, And.

978
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Speaker 10: There's always been people out there that I've wanted to

979
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:47,400
have access to things all the time, Like when you

980
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,519
talk about laws that remember when we talked about athletes

981
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,159
like controlling their.

982
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: Images, right, controlling their likeness, Yes, exactly.

983
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 10: So there's there's always been a movement out there that

984
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,000
doesn't want them to have the right to be able

985
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,840
to do that. Or when somebody dies, they want to

986
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,039
be able to jump on that and utilize that person's

987
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,159
image now that they're dead, and some states allow that

988
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,719
and other states protect it for a number of years.

989
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,000
So this is going into that this is the exact

990
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,559
same thing, only on steroids. Because if you let this

991
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,760
once this opened, I mean it's one could argue the

992
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,559
gates already open you you can't close it.

993
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the.

994
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:30,199
Speaker 10: AI techs are already utilizing other people's music to learn music.

995
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,079
That's the only way it can learn is to use

996
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,280
other people's stuff.

997
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,599
Speaker 7: So the one Devil's Advocate argument that I will offer,

998
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,440
and I've said this on the show before, is if

999
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,599
you are a musician, you're already everything that you create

1000
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,199
as a musician, everything that comes out of your brain,

1001
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,679
is in some way a product or influenced by everything

1002
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,000
that you've learned about music over the course of your life,

1003
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:01,880
and is influenced by and formed by everything that you've

1004
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,920
heard in your life up to that moment that you

1005
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:04,840
create something.

1006
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:09,559
Speaker 1: But humans have the ability to spark creation, yeah, within

1007
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and of itself.

1008
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,119
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know, so does a I would see

1009
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,639
with what we did brain, with what we did from

1010
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:15,679
every other brain.

1011
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,119
Speaker 7: With what we did today. I mean, my god, I mean,

1012
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,599
I don't mean.

1013
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: That's not the same thing a spark.

1014
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, though I can't, I cannot overstate how

1015
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,800
you really are shocked by it. I am, I am,

1016
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,559
I genuinely am.

1017
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: It's how quick it just comes up with something like that.

1018
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: But it what was it?

1019
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: But break it down?

1020
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: What was it?

1021
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,559
Speaker 7: Fifteen seconds? I click create and then bam.

1022
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,199
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, but let's break this down.

1023
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,760
We're talking about computer technology.

1024
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 10: A bunch of ones and zeros that talk to a

1025
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,079
bunch of other ones and zeros pull out the information

1026
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,159
it has, clombs it together and creates this. It's umpteen

1027
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,400
different minds together. It's not the same thing as a

1028
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,280
human being who takes the world and then a creative

1029
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,719
spark creates a new song. I don't think that's I

1030
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,280
don't think it's the same. Yeah, But I don't like

1031
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,920
the fact that the way that they have this set up.

1032
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,079
Speaker 1: If it passes.

1033
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 10: It just kind of usurps everybody's copyright because everybody's in,

1034
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,599
and then you're gonna go find it to take yourself out.

1035
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,559
Speaker 7: Like I said, I want to know more about the

1036
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:27,079
I want, I want. I want to know about the

1037
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:31,159
mechanics of it. It's it's it's one thing too. It's

1038
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,760
one thing to talk about an idea, about a concept.

1039
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,039
It's another thing to know exactly how the execution is

1040
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,559
going to work, exactly who's in charge of it, exactly

1041
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:43,679
how complex it's going to be. Uh for people to

1042
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,480
in this case opt out or opt in or however

1043
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,119
it's going to work. I guess this is opt out.

1044
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: It happens in Britain. These companies can operate out of Britain.

1045
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 7: Then you've got a whole other Yeah, then you've got

1046
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,159
a whole other work. Then you've got a whole other

1047
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,599
set of issues because obviously there's not going to be

1048
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,840
some sort of international law.

1049
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,159
Speaker 1: It kind of makes you wonder if there shouldn't be

1050
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:07,199
some way.

1051
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 7: To protect artists and how do you even do that.

1052
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 10: I'll live in a world that's that's not everything's connected now, Yeah,

1053
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,960
it's a different world. Maybe we need to think globally

1054
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,840
when it comes to protecting artists.

1055
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,199
Speaker 7: We's yeah, I mean I don't know.

1056
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't think globally on some basics stuff.

1057
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 7: It's hard to think globally on much. Yeah, it's getting

1058
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,840
even more difficult now. Okay. While on that note, uh

1059
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,519
so we'll we'll begin to wrap up, but uh, do

1060
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,320
you want to plug your website before we go?

1061
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,519
Speaker 10: You can find me and more information about me and

1062
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,400
my artwork at Jencoffee dot com j E N N

1063
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:48,639
c O f f UI dot com.

1064
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: And if you want to know more.

1065
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 10: About my advocacy with health insurance, please go there and

1066
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:55,719
let me know.

1067
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: What you think or if you need me.

1068
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Speaker 10: Also, I did want to briefly mention the Mosaic Art

1069
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:04,320
collect They are having an open call for a new

1070
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,119
show coming up about Celestial but you really should check

1071
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:11,639
this place out. It's an amazing local gallery here in

1072
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,559
the Queen City at sixty six Anover Street, Sweet two

1073
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,400
one in the Daily Mirror building.

1074
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Speaker 1: Do check them out. The Mosaic Arcollective dot com.

1075
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:26,599
Speaker 10: Excellent organization and incredible artists showcasing local talent, which is

1076
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,320
amazing and we need more of yep. Oh, absolutely absolutely

1077
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:33,119
we have an incredible amount of art and talent here

1078
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,039
in New Hampshire.

1079
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 7: We are definitely blessed and thank you of course all

1080
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,679
the wonderful guests that we had today, John Denton who

1081
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,920
skyped in from the UK, and then we had Ian

1082
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,920
Gallipo here with us in studio, and of course we

1083
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:53,000
just had Jordan Barney from Becoming Human really like what

1084
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,800
he's doing. And if you miss any part of today's show,

1085
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,119
it will be up in just a little bit at

1086
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,159
Wmnhradio dot org and at my website Matt Connorton dot com.

1087
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,599
And by the way, you can learn more about me

1088
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:05,280
and all the things I do at Mattconnorton dot com.

1089
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,519
And uh we will leave you with this, uh again

1090
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:10,800
if you missed it earlier. This is called Can't Touch

1091
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:17,840
Your Missteps and uh this is this is this is

1092
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,320
one of the AI generated tracks. Uh see what you see?

1093
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:21,960
What you think of it?

1094
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:35,599
Speaker 13: Yeah, pay so baggy looking like high air balloons dancing

1095
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:36,000
on TV.

1096
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:37,199
Speaker 2: But your career puppy.

1097
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: Soon your sticks and catches out of gold and room.

1098
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:42,199
Now you bake account and fier than a month.

1099
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,079
Speaker 13: Soon's trends hard saw your flaws on display.

1100
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 7: Paid for your fame.

1101
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,559
Speaker 9: Man, you can't afford to stay.

1102
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,039
Speaker 7: Used to be a star now your win disarray.

1103
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,519
Speaker 2: Can't touch success when it slips.

1104
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,239
Speaker 13: Away, can't touch your missteps.

1105
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: Man, it's