Speaker 1: Something's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen? What I how I have
Speaker 2: to help?
Speaker 3: Okay, we are alive. How this is William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 3: to William Ramsey Investigets on today's show. I have two
Speaker 3: very special guests, Nick for me to call up rejects.
Speaker 3: If you watch my show and listening to my show,
Speaker 3: you've heard him from me as a guest on his show,
Speaker 3: and he's talked to me THET shows recently about crossing
Speaker 3: me of this and uh, the Pilgrim Society which is
Speaker 3: getting a little bit of mention that he's mentioned in
Speaker 3: some You know a guy who I listened to, Afprener,
Speaker 3: I mentioned the Pilgrim Society too, who's kind of a
Speaker 3: main line online kind of commentary academic. But it was
Speaker 3: interesting to hear him talk about it after kind of
Speaker 3: we did and shows like Charlie Robinson, but it was
Speaker 3: interesting to kind of make it into mainline discourse. And
Speaker 3: his kind of views are that the English ex English
Speaker 3: empires punching over its weight, which I can be agreeing
Speaker 3: with and through things like the Pilgrim Society. But also
Speaker 3: another co guest is Teresa who's done shows with Nick.
Speaker 3: So this is the first time I think I've had
Speaker 3: her on my show. We're going to talk to something
Speaker 3: I don't really know much about. And Nick reached out
Speaker 3: to me and said, Hey, I've been doing this research
Speaker 3: on this subject, and so I'm kind of flying blind,
Speaker 3: like I don't really know that much. I know a
Speaker 3: lot with the Catholic Church. I grew up Catholic. I
Speaker 3: grew up Roman Catholic. But this is called the Saint
Speaker 3: Gallen Mafia, so it's St. And Gallan ga ll E.
Speaker 3: And I did a little bit of stuff about it,
Speaker 3: kind of ties in it kind of overlaps with some
Speaker 3: of these old orders that I've been studying. I did
Speaker 3: a show on the Knights of Malta with Coordinate Turner,
Speaker 3: just like the Pilgrim Society, all these old kind of
Speaker 3: Heraldrick orders and things like that. But these guys can talk.
Speaker 4: I us actually even wondered if they tie into the
Speaker 4: P two lodges somehow.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised a lot of them do. I
Speaker 3: mean P two is a Masonic lodge, but all those
Speaker 3: guys like Berlasconi was a member of P two. Who's
Speaker 3: the head of the talent, Really Yeah, that's actually how.
Speaker 3: There's a really good book called thing. It's called The
Speaker 3: Sack of Rome and it's about him and how he
Speaker 3: was able to take over the kind of corporate media
Speaker 3: in Italy was through non commercial wholesale loans through his
Speaker 3: friends in P two. So any negotiation that he could
Speaker 3: he had with, you know, somebody, he could undercut and
Speaker 3: offer a better price because he's getting money from from
Speaker 3: his buddies through P too much cheaper.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Yeah, he's a fascinating character. We'll have to
Speaker 1: do a show on him sometime.
Speaker 3: So for people, maybe you guys can talk about what
Speaker 3: you've been up to and what led you to the
Speaker 3: subject Saint Ala Mafia.
Speaker 4: Well, real quick, I'll just believe it or not. This
Speaker 4: is actually Teresa's topic, but into the Occult Rejects. And
Speaker 4: Teresa's one of the people on one of the many
Speaker 4: people that is part of the ocult rejects, and she
Speaker 4: had approached me with this topic and I actually thought
Speaker 4: it was like really interesting. She had she was looking
Speaker 4: to do it for another show and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is really good. I was like, we should really
Speaker 4: use this on the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 2: And she was like yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: And after we got done doing it kind of like
Speaker 4: covering it and stuff, I reached out to you and
Speaker 4: I was like, why not do it on his show
Speaker 4: and then we'll just share this for the occult rejects.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of actually, like I was telling you before,
Speaker 4: it's a I guess, a sneak peek. You know, we
Speaker 4: haven't even released this ourselves, so this is an exclusive
Speaker 4: on Williams William Ramsey show, So this isn't even out
Speaker 4: on our end.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to turn it over.
Speaker 4: And let let Teresa actually you know, get into it
Speaker 4: because this is her topic.
Speaker 1: So that's sure. Well it definitely helped a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So the sank Gown Mafia is essentially not an actual mafia,
Speaker 1: though the title does sound really cool. When I first
Speaker 1: heard the term, I was like, what is that so gangster? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the name of the Saint Allen Group, which is not
Speaker 1: as fun, so they went to Saint Ala Mafia. But
Speaker 1: essentially it's a group of high level cardinals and bishops
Speaker 1: who coordinated to push through globalist agendas through the papacy
Speaker 1: of Pope Francis and they've sort of been literally conspiring
Speaker 1: to do this since the early nine days, which is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I first heard the term when I was
Speaker 1: listening to another podcast. Actually, Father Charles Murr. He wrote
Speaker 1: a book called Murder in the thirty third Degree. I
Speaker 1: think we're going to refer to the book later, but
Speaker 1: that book is essentially about the murder of Pope John
Speaker 1: Paul the First and the Free Masonic involvement in that case. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he brought up the term Saint Alan Mafia and
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that? And then basically I
Speaker 1: I started researching it and it led me down a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of Catholicism and conspiracy. So it was really
Speaker 1: interesting and I just kind of rolled with it, and
Speaker 1: here we are today. So yeah, yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's a group of high level cardinals. Sorry, go ahead, William.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that death was kind of
Speaker 3: featured in a fictional way and Godfather three, so the.
Speaker 1: Po that's right, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: Very long. He last on like seventeen days or something like.
Speaker 1: That, thirty three days, precise seventeen. You know, show showed seventeen.
Speaker 1: When we get thirty three though, to show, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe who's behind the murder. So let's see. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically the group, the Saint Gallon Group, is named
Speaker 1: after a town in Switzerland which is called Sankt Gullen.
Speaker 1: It started around ninety five ninety six during the decline
Speaker 1: of Pope John Paul the Second in his papacy, and
Speaker 1: it was this group discussing what they believe would be
Speaker 1: the best way forward for the Catholic Church and how
Speaker 1: to push these globalist agendas through the church. They did
Speaker 1: think that Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict the sixteenth,
Speaker 1: they believe that he was like the absolute wrong choice
Speaker 1: for their agenda. So I know, a lot of conspiracy
Speaker 1: around Pope Benedict, people like he's so evil. He he
Speaker 1: could he could have been, but you know, so were
Speaker 1: some of these guys apparently. But I think Benedict was
Speaker 1: more of a traditionalist by comparison to this group, which
Speaker 1: is extremely liberal in terms of like Catholicism at least,
Speaker 1: so they definitely did not want him in, although of
Speaker 1: course he did was Pope for a time, but they
Speaker 1: did push for the election of Jorge Bergolio from Argentina,
Speaker 1: who ended up becoming Pope Francis. And there are a
Speaker 1: couple authors who are really expert on this topic, if
Speaker 1: anyone wants to die further. One's name is Julia Maloney.
Speaker 1: The other one is Taylor Marshall, who a lot of
Speaker 1: people may be more familiar with. He's quite popular on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And this is just a quick quote from Taylor Marshall's
Speaker 1: book Infiltration or Sorry. It's from an article that he
Speaker 1: he was featured in. So it says the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: is in crisis because the enemies of Christ plotted against
Speaker 1: organized efforts to place a Pope for Satan on the
Speaker 1: Roman chair of Saint Peter. It has been a slow,
Speaker 1: patient plan to establish a Satanic revolution with the Pope
Speaker 1: as puppet. And Marshall himself basically believes without a doubt
Speaker 1: that this Pope for Satan is Pope Francis very strong statement.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, that's the most important person in Catholicism, So
Speaker 3: saying he's he's made some interesting decisions, he's pro and
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 1: So certainly, well, the the thing learning about the origins
Speaker 1: of this group may help us understand his papacy a
Speaker 1: lot better. And I am Catholic still and it helped
Speaker 1: me to understand a lot of like what's going on
Speaker 1: in the church. I'm like, oh, that that makes sense now,
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to being super confused about it. Basically,
Speaker 1: the process of infiltration has been by Freemasons and other
Speaker 1: secret societies. Their allies were recognized by Pope Gregory the sixteenth.
Speaker 1: This he was a long time ago, and many later popes. Actually,
Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six there wasn't Mary an apparition. So
Speaker 1: if people don't know what that is, that's just when
Speaker 1: like somebody claims to see the Virgin Mary, either like
Speaker 1: in person or like a locution, which is like a
Speaker 1: message in their ear, as if like someone was speaking
Speaker 1: to them. So this apparition of Mary is called Our
Speaker 1: Lady of Las Silette. That was in eighteen forty six,
Speaker 1: and Mary herself spoke of a future time when Rome
Speaker 1: will lose faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.
Speaker 1: I think this is what she was maybe talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Pop Francis is an Antichrist, but just
Speaker 1: paring the way perhaps. And also around the same time,
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty four, Pope Leo the thirteenth had this
Speaker 1: vision of Satan approaching the throne of God. I think
Speaker 1: it was like in the middle of a mass or something,
Speaker 1: and he's just like had this sudden vision where he
Speaker 1: stopped and he was like so disturbed by the whole
Speaker 1: thing that he saw. I basically saw Satan approach God
Speaker 1: and say I want to tempt humanity and lead them astray.
Speaker 1: And God was like, cool, how much time do you need?
Speaker 1: Like go for it? Yeah, it was a little like
Speaker 1: playing like Job, you know, like if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: that story in the whole Testament, very much like Job.
Speaker 1: And God was like, how much time do you need?
Speaker 1: And He's like, Satan's like probably one hundred years or so,
Speaker 1: So if that was eighteen eighty four, that would bring
Speaker 1: us to nineteen eighty four, so we're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not too far off. The mark from that is
Speaker 1: forty years forty one years ago, so we're pretty close.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was his vision and actually so disturbed
Speaker 1: by it that that's where the Saint Michael prayer comes from.
Speaker 1: Saint Michael the Eric Angel. Pope Leo wrote that prayer
Speaker 1: after that vision.
Speaker 3: Interesting, m.
Speaker 1: Yes, so with this same Gallon group that is a
Speaker 1: more modern kind of infiltration of this whole like modernism
Speaker 1: versus traditionalism thing in the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: Always fighting right, they've never really always.
Speaker 1: Worrying, And it's just basically that story. So like it's
Speaker 1: a watering down of the heavy tradition over time, which
Speaker 1: we can even go back to like eighteen fifty nine again,
Speaker 1: this like mid eighteen hundreds, right, eighteen fifty nine, there
Speaker 1: was a guy named Jacques Creato Julie. He's a French philosopher.
Speaker 1: He published a very important work called the Roman Church
Speaker 1: in the Face of Revolution, and it was notable because
Speaker 1: he claimed that anti Catholic secret societies would no longer
Speaker 1: attack the Church from the outside, but rather infiltrate it
Speaker 1: from the inside within. And this plot is actually detailed
Speaker 1: in a written document which is called the Alta Vendida,
Speaker 1: written by an Italian free Masonic group that's referred to
Speaker 1: as Carbonari, which means I think like charcoal or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it means, I think, yeah, And the Carbonari
Speaker 1: had a growing influence in Italy at the time. This
Speaker 1: was during the like Resorgimento period of history in Italy
Speaker 1: where they were forming into like a nation. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: Italy was not like a formalized country. Essentially like as
Speaker 1: we know it today. The document the Alta Vendida. The
Speaker 1: document's author or authors used the pseudonym Piccolo tigre, which
Speaker 1: means little tiger, to basically boldly detail how they plan
Speaker 1: to infiltrate the clergy and the papacy to propagate free
Speaker 1: Masonic ideals and beliefs. The Carbonari was also aligned with
Speaker 1: other secret societies across your such as Freemasons in France, Spain,
Speaker 1: Portugal and Russia. And these lodges shared a hatred for
Speaker 1: Catholicism and monarchy.
Speaker 2: Very nice, and then I'll soot to take over a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 4: Here's an excerpt from the document, whose official title is
Speaker 4: The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita, and it stated
Speaker 4: the Pope, whoever he may be, will never come to
Speaker 4: the secret societies. It is for the secret societies to
Speaker 4: come first to the Church, with the aim of winning
Speaker 4: them both. The work which we have undertaken is not
Speaker 4: the work of a day, nor a month, nor a year.
Speaker 4: It may last many years, a century, perhaps, but in
Speaker 4: our ranks the soldier dies and the fight continues. Now then,
Speaker 4: in order to secure us a pope according to our
Speaker 4: own heart, it is necessary to fashion for that Pope
Speaker 4: a generation worthy of the kingdom of which we dream.
Speaker 4: Leave on one side old age and middle life, go
Speaker 4: to the youth, and if possible, even to children. The
Speaker 4: reputation of a good Catholic and a good patriot will
Speaker 4: open the way for our doctrine to pass into the
Speaker 4: hearts of the young clergy and go even to the
Speaker 4: depths of covenants. Of covenants. In a few years, the
Speaker 4: young clergy will have, by force of events, invaded all offices.
Speaker 4: They will govern, administer, and judge. They will form the
Speaker 4: Council of the Sovereign. They will be called upon to
Speaker 4: choose the pontiff who will reign, and that Pontiff, like
Speaker 4: the greater part of his contemporaries, will be the necessary
Speaker 4: will be necessarily imbued with the Italian and humanitarian principles
Speaker 4: which are about to put into circulation. Do you want
Speaker 4: to wipe out the last vestige of the tyrants and oppressors?
Speaker 4: Cast out your nets deep into the sir Christy don't
Speaker 4: know what that means?
Speaker 2: Sacristy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, binaries in the monasteries rather than at the
Speaker 4: bottom of the sea. And if you do not rush things,
Speaker 4: we promise you we promise you at catch more miraculous
Speaker 4: than this, the fishermen of fish become a fisherman of men.
Speaker 4: You too, will fish some friends and lead them to
Speaker 4: the feet of the Apostolic Sea. Essentially, the document explains
Speaker 4: how the youth will be corrupted or their ideas changed,
Speaker 4: to the corruption of families, books, poems, colleges, universities, and
Speaker 4: seminaries to make thought leaders, parents, politicians, priests, and eventually
Speaker 4: even a pope that embodies free Masonic values.
Speaker 1: Long story shooting, Yeah, that's just an excerpt from the document.
Speaker 1: It's not the whole thing. And I think, like it's
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that the Alt of Indida was written
Speaker 1: around the same time as that infamous letter from Albert
Speaker 1: Pike to Giuseppe Mazzini, Right, Yeah, I think that's interesting
Speaker 1: timing that this is all seemed to be happening around
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds, Like, it's pretty wild if people
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with that document. Basically, Albert Pike, who's famous,
Speaker 1: well known thirty third degree Freemason, he was an ocultist,
Speaker 1: a Freemason grand master, and also creator of the Southern
Speaker 1: jurisdiction of the Masonic Scottish rite order and Giuseppe Mazzini
Speaker 1: was the head of the Action Party in Italy. He's
Speaker 1: a far left politician at the time, and he was
Speaker 1: very active during the Resorgimento period calling for the Italian
Speaker 1: unification of the mid eighteen hundreds, also rumored to be
Speaker 1: the director of the Illuminati at one point. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: basically in that document, Albert Pike wrote and outlined the
Speaker 1: three world wars and how they would, why they would
Speaker 1: come to fruition, how it would happen. And I think
Speaker 1: actually Nick's going to reach the little excerpt regarding World
Speaker 1: War three.
Speaker 4: The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage
Speaker 4: of the differences caused by the agenteur of the Illuminati
Speaker 4: between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic world.
Speaker 4: The war must be conducted in such a way that
Speaker 4: Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 4: other nations, once more divided on this issue, will be
Speaker 4: constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual,
Speaker 4: and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists.
Speaker 4: We shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all
Speaker 4: in its horror will show clearly to the nations the
Speaker 4: effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and the most
Speaker 4: bloody turmoil. Then everywhere the citizens obliged to defend themselves
Speaker 4: against the world minority of revolutionaries will will exterminate those
Speaker 4: destroyers of civilization and the multitude disillusion with Christianity whose
Speaker 4: deistic spirits will form that moment, be without compasser direction
Speaker 4: and anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to
Speaker 4: render its adoration, will receive the true light through the
Speaker 4: universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally
Speaker 4: out in the public view. This manifestation will result from
Speaker 4: the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of
Speaker 4: Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting, especially like with what's going on right
Speaker 1: now in the Middle East too, Like we're literally seeing
Speaker 1: that conflict of Islamic world versus Zionist world.
Speaker 3: Right right, no question about it.
Speaker 1: I know it's been going on for quite some time.
Speaker 1: It's nothing new. Yeah, it seems to be peaking. And
Speaker 1: you know, of course, rumors of World War three are
Speaker 1: circulating all the time in the last you know, year
Speaker 1: or two, right, So sure, I.
Speaker 3: Mean it feels like the world's on fire if you
Speaker 3: add up Gaza, Ukraine. Yeah, you're all these movements migration
Speaker 3: and things like that, orders and.
Speaker 1: Stuff exactly, Yeah, totally. So I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: into a little bit of like, what are these free
Speaker 1: Masonic values that the Saint Gallan mafia and its precursors
Speaker 1: wanted to propagate throughout the Catholic Church and throughout the
Speaker 1: world essentially. So to answer this question, we're going to
Speaker 1: go back to the Protestant Reformation of fifteen seventeen. And
Speaker 1: this is not to like insult anybody's belief or your
Speaker 1: denomination of Christianity if you are a Christian. It's just
Speaker 1: like a historical record and tracing these events. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not like here to insult your beliefs, right, But basically,
Speaker 1: Martin Luther's Reformation movement did call for a new way
Speaker 1: for man to see the world. And this is by
Speaker 1: use of more individual reasons and desire for a new
Speaker 1: world order which would be propelled by naturalism, rationalism, and
Speaker 1: universal brotherhood. And this was in direct protest to the
Speaker 1: old world order, which is basically Catholic monarchies, essentially all
Speaker 1: monarchies in general, right, was Kingdom's tyrants, well, in some
Speaker 1: people's view, tyrants, right. So that's where we get the
Speaker 1: term Protestant from. It's because it was in protests of
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. After the Protestant Reformation, there was a
Speaker 1: spiritual vacuum left in Europe, and Freemasonry began to fill
Speaker 1: that void and organize a new universal Church to unite
Speaker 1: man under these values and subvert the current Catholic Old
Speaker 1: World order and replace it with its New World order,
Speaker 1: which is basically led by Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry, teaching an
Speaker 1: enlightened position that all religions are allegorical and equal. A
Speaker 1: core belief of this is also to deny the unique
Speaker 1: incarnation of God into men and through Jesus Christ, and
Speaker 1: also rejecting the idea of sin and Christ's death being
Speaker 1: necessary for human salvation. There is no belief in the
Speaker 1: old world order in these traditions, and no belief in
Speaker 1: the sacraments of the Church as necessary. They believe that
Speaker 1: human nature alone is sufficient for humanity's happiness in their view,
Speaker 1: and these new world values allowed for the Protestant view
Speaker 1: of Christianity to thrive. So it's not really surprising to
Speaker 1: see a correlation between where Freemasonry tends to thrive is
Speaker 1: also places where Protestantism tends to thrive too, so this
Speaker 1: show Like examples of this would be European centers where
Speaker 1: Protestantism was already well rooted, like Scotland who had Presbyterianism,
Speaker 1: England was Anglicanism, Germany Lutheran, etc. Similarly, Freemasonry caught on
Speaker 1: largely also in the Southern United States, where there happens
Speaker 1: to be you know, the Bible belt umbrella of Protestant
Speaker 1: Christian denominations. So seems to go a little bit hand
Speaker 1: in hand with like this idea that you can interpret
Speaker 1: the word for yourself, go buy solo scriptura scripture alone.
Speaker 1: And then also like these naturalistic values not so much
Speaker 1: the traditions and relying on an outside authority, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and sometimes too when I thought it was interesting when
Speaker 1: I heard that term, like New World Order versus Old
Speaker 1: world Old World order, like as conspiracy theorists we love
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, warning about the New World
Speaker 1: Order agenda, trying to prevent that from coming to fruition
Speaker 1: but then it's like, do we understand what the old
Speaker 1: world world order was?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Was that better? Is that what people would like to
Speaker 1: go back to? If you're if you're not for the
Speaker 1: New World Order? What's the old world order?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Especially like the Tartaria lovers, you know, who allowed to
Speaker 1: be like I just wanted to go back to like
Speaker 1: this classical time and all the beautiful architecture will bro
Speaker 1: that was under a Catholic monarchy, a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Right, It's true, Like what old world order are you thinking?
Speaker 3: Is an ideal? You know?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Just what is it? Which one do you choose? Medieval
Speaker 3: where everybody died at thirty one or whatever?
Speaker 1: Right where we were like taken by the by the
Speaker 1: bowels and like you know, quartered in the town.
Speaker 3: I say, like old Italian towns would be divided into
Speaker 3: like forty four factions and they'd be building towers and
Speaker 3: chucking spears at each other and just the most violent stuff.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of our politicians we just go and
Speaker 1: like get them with pitchforks and burn them at the
Speaker 1: stake right now, like maybe we should be doing that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're about to get it here in California,
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you that there's no question.
Speaker 1: Well people, yeah, literally just shove them outside into the fire.
Speaker 3: Right, there's one out there ready. I guess it could be.
Speaker 3: I don't know some of these people are going to
Speaker 3: be able to walk in the streets here, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it is. It is interesting like the kind
Speaker 3: of growth of feed Freemasonry and Protestantism, and really there
Speaker 3: really is a tie there or different ideas like Illuminism
Speaker 3: maybe that's not Freemasonry, but definitely around in the seventeenth
Speaker 3: century Ingolstadt, which is even though he's an ex Jesuit priest,
Speaker 3: Wishaupt is doing something like totally liberal non church ideas, right,
Speaker 3: non sanctioned Catholic, traditional trad kid traditional churches church.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And then just to continue on when historically
Speaker 1: when Freemasonry kind of more formally organized about two hundred
Speaker 1: years later, so in seventeen seventeen, the Catholic Church basically
Speaker 1: became their enemy number one. Organized religion was rejected largely
Speaker 1: in favor of the idea that all religions are equally
Speaker 1: attempting to understand the great architect of the universe, as
Speaker 1: they call it. That's totally right, and as we know
Speaker 1: from Albert Pike's own writings in Morals and Dogma, which
Speaker 1: is a famous book that he wrote, he does refer
Speaker 1: to that great architect as Lucifer himself in his own writing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and basically, in the eyes of the Freemason,
Speaker 1: all religions are equally true and therefore equally false at
Speaker 1: the same time. And they're all basically human attempts to
Speaker 1: try and understand God, which I can kind of see,
Speaker 1: just say, it is a very theosophical idea, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah. According to this view, the way to acquire
Speaker 1: divine knowledge is reason, not faith or the traditional elements
Speaker 1: of Catholicism like baptism or the Eucharist liturgy or the priesthood.
Speaker 1: Humanity just needs more reason. And I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: this in like the modern day, especially when like now,
Speaker 1: the cult of science is leading the way, you know,
Speaker 1: reason through the United Nations World Economic Forum, et cetera.
Speaker 1: This is all a consequence of Martin Luther's assertion that
Speaker 1: religious authority is from scripture alone, solo scriptura, and not
Speaker 1: derived by the more mystical elements of faith. And this
Speaker 1: opened the door wide for individual reasoning and essentially moral
Speaker 1: relativism to increase throughout the centuries to come. And this
Speaker 1: is also why the Catholic Church began to excommunicate Catholics
Speaker 1: who joined freemasonry, because essentially it is a religion of
Speaker 1: all religions and therefore does not correlate with the Catholic
Speaker 1: beliefs if you're you know, truly practicing your faith as
Speaker 1: you claim. And what was I going to say there, Sorry,
Speaker 1: lost my spot for a second. Oh yeah. While freemasonry
Speaker 1: is a secret society of sorts, it's not so secret
Speaker 1: about its pursuit of the new world order in the
Speaker 1: name of equality. Right, yes, I think too. People would
Speaker 1: be shocked at like how different the popes are now
Speaker 1: in like the modern day versus like even two hundred
Speaker 1: years ago. So when all this thought was going on
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, there are papal documents in Canaan
Speaker 1: church law now making room for clerical marriage, divorce and remarriage,
Speaker 1: liberty of conscious over objective moral law, political rebellion, and
Speaker 1: separation of church and state. In the past, church and
Speaker 1: state was together, was never a separate concept. That's a
Speaker 1: very modern thing, right.
Speaker 3: Right, that's American thing, right, It's very ama.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's the founding of the country is basically
Speaker 1: in protest of that, right. Yeah, and yeah, basically from
Speaker 1: it the time of its writing to now, the instructions
Speaker 1: outlined in the Alta Vendida have indeed taken deep roots
Speaker 1: within the Catholic Church and society at large. I think.
Speaker 3: It's changed, and I think that the faith versus reason
Speaker 3: thing is why so many many people in our modern
Speaker 3: age do not have Christian faith. They do not believe
Speaker 3: in because it's not reasonable to them. So they've been
Speaker 3: in neword to the concept of reason over mystery and faith,
Speaker 3: right m hm. So it doesn't make sense to them,
Speaker 3: so it's like, why am I going to do this?
Speaker 1: It's interesting too, though, because I think there is something
Speaker 1: in the heart of a human in general that has
Speaker 1: like a hole for God. And even though they reject
Speaker 1: through reason, then you see the rise in other forms
Speaker 1: of mysticism, like there always is this other searching happening
Speaker 1: for God, right, So instead of filling it with the
Speaker 1: traditional to replace Christianity, you just found a replacement. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And that's why I see the rise in secret societies, occultism, witchcraft, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's interesting.
Speaker 3: They're all very religious extreme Because I'm not religious. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I bet you're religious in one way or another.
Speaker 1: I bet you are.
Speaker 3: If you don't even go to masonry, I bet you
Speaker 3: might get up every day and have your little economic
Speaker 3: consumer's rituals, going to get coffee or eating it in
Speaker 3: and out Burger every week or something like that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: people deceive themselves into thinking they're not religious.
Speaker 1: Totally or like, yeah, we've just replaced these rituals with
Speaker 1: other rituals right.
Speaker 3: Or watching it could be yeah, a addiction watching football
Speaker 3: every Sunday. I know people who take the Sunday off,
Speaker 3: they don't go to church and they watch the NFL.
Speaker 3: That's their religion. So I mean there's there's definitely, like
Speaker 3: you said, there's a hole. People fill that hole. I
Speaker 3: would say, the faithful is the best way to kind
Speaker 3: of fild that. But or you know, it's something doing
Speaker 3: going into church or at least I mean being going
Speaker 3: to Catholic church is probably better than spending time watching football.
Speaker 3: Giving those people your.
Speaker 1: Time and effort would probably I would say. And yeah,
Speaker 1: just to continue our like brief historical rundown, do you
Speaker 1: want to do you want to take this part.
Speaker 4: Nick, where were you left? The Freemasons and socialists. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Damasons and socialists persecuted Christianity intensely in the earl twentieth century,
Speaker 4: especially in countries like Mexico, Spain, and Russia. Not only that,
Speaker 4: but beginning in the nineteen thirties, the Russians began secretly
Speaker 4: infiltrating the Catholic seminaries to put their own men with
Speaker 4: Communist ideals into the priesthood, who go on to become bishops, cardinals,
Speaker 4: and even Pope someday, exactly as outlined in the Ulta
Speaker 4: Vendita by the Kabinari Freemasons so many years earlier to
Speaker 4: secure pope according to our heart, Belladod, a former Communist
Speaker 4: agent and later a Catholic convert, testified before the US
Speaker 4: House Committee on Unamerican Activities Committee in nineteen fifty three
Speaker 4: about the ways that Communists would infiltrate American institutions, including
Speaker 4: giving details about a Russian order that used the exact
Speaker 4: method of planting Communist party members into seminaries and Dio,
Speaker 4: how do.
Speaker 2: You say that one diocesan, Yeah, diocesan.
Speaker 3: There's aggregation of Catholic.
Speaker 4: Churches, Yes, she testified that in the nineteen thirties one
Speaker 4: one hundred men were put into priesthood purposely to destroy
Speaker 4: the church from within, and that right now they're in
Speaker 4: the highest places in the church.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was in nineteen fifty three that she
Speaker 1: gave that testimony, right, And it's just like there's historical
Speaker 1: proof that this happened, and I just not talked about
Speaker 1: I think that much, right, And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a coincidence that then she's saying this in nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 1: that there's communists literally in the highest levels of the
Speaker 1: priesthood in the fifties, and then you have Vatican two
Speaker 1: happening in the sixties, like right after that. So it's
Speaker 1: like they stacked the deck, you know, and then called
Speaker 1: for all this reform with members of their ideology.
Speaker 3: I guess hear of Malachi Martin. I have, Yeah, Malchi
Speaker 3: Martin wrote a book on that. They thought he was crazy.
Speaker 3: He said that the Soviets are infiltrating the Catholic Church. No.
Speaker 3: I think it was called a wind swept House or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was right.
Speaker 3: I think he turned out to be right.
Speaker 1: He was right. And also there's Saint Maximilian Colby, who
Speaker 1: died in the Second World War. He was saying the
Speaker 1: same thing, yeah, and actually specifically against freemasonry as well.
Speaker 3: Malachi Martin is an interesting show in himself because he
Speaker 3: encapsulates so many ideas modern ideas about the Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: demon possession, extorcism, Soviet infiltration, masonry, protection of the pope.
Speaker 3: Really interesting guy, really well read. I forgot what I
Speaker 3: think he was either a jazz or I think it
Speaker 3: was a Jesuit.
Speaker 1: I think so, actually, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So if
Speaker 1: people don't know what Vatican two is, I think most
Speaker 1: people might be vaguely familiar. But basically, Vatican two was
Speaker 1: like a reform of the Catholic Church and it marked
Speaker 1: a time of big changes, basically taking away a lot
Speaker 1: of the supernatural elements of the faith, moving from faith
Speaker 1: in Jesus Christ to faith in man, less about Christ's
Speaker 1: kingship and more about faith in humanity alone, so sort
Speaker 1: of implementing those free Masamic ideals. And it also was
Speaker 1: the debut of the Novus Ordo Mass, so the New
Speaker 1: Order mass. I don't think it's a coincidence that it's
Speaker 1: called that. Yeah. So, formerly the Last was all in
Speaker 1: the Mass was all in Latin prior to Vatican Two,
Speaker 1: so it was a universal church language that everyone had
Speaker 1: to know, at least for the Mass parts. I mean,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to be fluent in Latin by any means,
Speaker 1: but you'd be familiar with it to participate in Mass.
Speaker 1: And then novus ordo Mass, there's some things changed, especially
Speaker 1: regarding the Eucharist, and it's in your own native language,
Speaker 1: so like in America, in Canada it's in English. In
Speaker 1: you know, Africa would be in whatever Swahili or whatever
Speaker 1: language you speak there, right, So it's an interesting shift.
Speaker 3: It would cause the huge schism within the church. The
Speaker 3: hair guy's really about Vatican too today.
Speaker 1: Well I can kind of see why. I mean, growing up,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what is the big deal. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it existed till I asked my parents why
Speaker 1: my dad's parents don't go to church anymore? And it
Speaker 1: was because they stopped going when those changes were made.
Speaker 1: And it's sort of like a form of protest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had. Uh. The guy was on Joe Rogan,
Speaker 3: who was mad Max's name. Again, it's he's a really
Speaker 3: traditional Catholic, but I think his family left the Catholic
Speaker 3: or like he kind of skis him out of the
Speaker 3: Catholic church and state tradition. Oh yeah, because of that
Speaker 3: Vatican too. They thought it was like a real disgrace.
Speaker 3: So he had to set his own church up in
Speaker 3: Malibu or something like that. Yeah, own Catholic. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: that he could be a traditional, true trad CAF.
Speaker 1: Well that's what you get. Yeah, you get this term
Speaker 1: rad trad Catholic radical traditional. It means that they they
Speaker 1: honor the traditions of like Vatican One.
Speaker 3: I'm on a guys show, good Juice Ski. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you should listen to him. He's a cool guy,
Speaker 3: but he's a he goes by trad cat night. Oh
Speaker 3: I know, ye yeah, I really you don't think the same.
Speaker 3: But he's done. He's willing to like look into stuff
Speaker 3: like Satanism.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is a lot of the traditional Catholics
Speaker 1: are more conspiratorial minded actually, because they understand, like there
Speaker 1: was an infiltration, this was a conspiracy against the church itself.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, but then you.
Speaker 3: Probably get a kick, Yeah for sure, talking with them.
Speaker 1: Smart, that'd be cool. So Bella DoD who Nick referred
Speaker 1: to before the woman who testified at that US committee.
Speaker 1: She said that it wasn't just a priesthood that Communists
Speaker 1: were infiltrating also public school system as teachers. Yes, so
Speaker 1: this perfectly echoes the agenda set in the altiv adeda
Speaker 1: document to you know, influence the youth. It was with
Speaker 1: any ideology, that's what they do, They go to the youth.
Speaker 1: Hitler did the same thing. Communists in Russia did the
Speaker 1: same thing, and yeah, this revolutionized the church from within,
Speaker 1: from Vatican to and beyond. The coldinals who were a
Speaker 1: part of the Saint Gallan mafia itself would have been
Speaker 1: children or teenagers at this time when the Communists were
Speaker 1: aggressively infiltrating the seminaries, So they themselves were growing up
Speaker 1: in a radically changing time and they would have been
Speaker 1: inundated with this like new ideology. Basically. Another communist agent,
Speaker 1: his name is Manning Johnson. He testified at the same
Speaker 1: US House Committee in nineteen fifty three as Belladod. He
Speaker 1: said that the policy of infiltrating the seminaries was beyond
Speaker 1: it was successful beyond even the Communist expectation, so it
Speaker 1: was like wildly successful. Belladot herself also admitted that at
Speaker 1: least four of their priests who were you know, sent
Speaker 1: to infiltrate, had attained the level of cardinal. So that's
Speaker 1: pretty influential. Yeah, and then like fast forward to nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five, nineteen ninety six, where we have the Saint
Speaker 1: Gallen mafia coming together to conspire. They were hoping to
Speaker 1: succeed Pope Jump all the second with their own men
Speaker 1: of course, and yeah, they were trying to put those
Speaker 1: ideas forth from the Alta Vendida, and we do know
Speaker 1: of their actual existence existence from their own writings, thanks
Speaker 1: to a man who's part of it. Cardinal Daniels is
Speaker 1: his name from Belgium, and he is a cardinal who's
Speaker 1: publicly supported abortion in same sex marriage. Daniel's own biographers
Speaker 1: wrote that the election of Jorge Bergolia was prepared by
Speaker 1: the Saint Gallen mafia beyond a out.
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, did we mention before that they actually we
Speaker 4: did mention that they met in the city of Saint St.
Speaker 2: It's actually s A n K T.
Speaker 1: Right Gallon.
Speaker 3: You mentioned at the beginning that's how they got their name.
Speaker 4: R Yeah, all right, so yeah, so basically, yeah, so
Speaker 4: you had Now now we have a bunch of these
Speaker 4: high ranking church people, you know, gathering there who opposed
Speaker 4: Cardinal Joseph Ratzingrew's papacy. And most of these, many of
Speaker 4: the cardinals who were meeting there, were part of you
Speaker 4: know that we're part of the Saint glam mafia. Can
Speaker 4: be traced back to being consecrated by one particular priest
Speaker 4: who was also a confirmed Freemason, and that was Cardinal
Speaker 4: Mariano Ranpola del Tindaro.
Speaker 2: And have you ever heard of him, Ramsey.
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell this research.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm interested in this stuff because it just shows
Speaker 3: like the machinations and the battles between i don't know,
Speaker 3: simply put right and left stuff within a you know,
Speaker 3: so many political organizations were squabbling and absolutely fighting for
Speaker 3: control and their ideology and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he was.
Speaker 4: Rampolo was secretary of State under Pope Pious the thirteenth
Speaker 4: and that was the one who had the visions of
Speaker 4: Satan approaching the guy to throne. As secretary of State,
Speaker 4: Cardinal Rampola supported the Austrian Christian Social Party. The Christian
Speaker 4: Social Party was the first Catholic social movement that was
Speaker 4: both anti liberal and anti Semitic. Maybe that's possibly Nazi ideology.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Catholics were very sympathetic to the Nazis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know what I mean, you could also
Speaker 4: have been scared. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying that's a reason to cow down
Speaker 4: to the guy. But I could see some people that
Speaker 4: were just saying, oh, yeah, yeah, he's okay, Like you.
Speaker 2: Don't you know, what, do you want to say something
Speaker 2: and then get killed?
Speaker 3: Well this is true as well, But I think that there,
Speaker 3: you know, there was the Axis Powers was Italy at
Speaker 3: that time, Yeah, and Mussolini, So I think that there
Speaker 3: was kind of like a similar kind of fashion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. You know, I have to do.
Speaker 1: A tendency to that ideology in their own country, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: You know what's even interesting too, like some of the
Speaker 4: stuff that we covered when it came to I feel
Speaker 4: like Italy kind of like was being the sneak thiefs
Speaker 4: with the occult architecture, more out in the open than
Speaker 4: it Germany was. But nobody seems to pay attention to
Speaker 4: what Italy was doing in World War Two.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, Saint Peter's that central Sundial is really a
Speaker 3: cult and they I don't know how they stuck stuck
Speaker 3: it in there, but there's other occult architecture throughout Rome
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Italy.
Speaker 4: Italy went into Ethiopia when at the time the guy
Speaker 4: who was in charge of Ethiopia thought he was direct
Speaker 4: bloodline from Solomon. They went in there, it took and
Speaker 4: took the line of Judah, which Crowley ripped off.
Speaker 2: And uh and uh and uh obelisk.
Speaker 4: I don't really have to hear anybody talking about that,
Speaker 4: but they went in there and took a cold architecture.
Speaker 3: That obelisk in the center of Saint Peter's is actually
Speaker 3: an obelisk that was taken from Egypt by none other
Speaker 3: than uh, what is what's his name, the guy little boot?
Speaker 3: Uh what's the Roman Empire? Roman Empire? There is the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church kind of took it over, but it was
Speaker 3: not Nero, the guy after Nero. That's from the for
Speaker 3: some other reason. But yeah, oh it has an interesting
Speaker 3: history in itself, but yeah, I mean it is. It's
Speaker 3: really incredible, Like a lot of this history and a
Speaker 3: lot of this kind of right left fighting within the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church for for authority. I mean, isn't isn't Bargoglio
Speaker 3: kind of seen that's kind of more sympathetic than maybe
Speaker 3: people thought he was. They thought he was really conservative
Speaker 3: and then kind of made some different things.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, basically like Pope Francis's papacy so far has
Speaker 1: been like an item list from the Saint Alum mafia.
Speaker 1: Like the reforms he's trying to make. It's like literally
Speaker 1: like check jack, check. So yeah, Nick, I think you
Speaker 1: have a bit more.
Speaker 2: H yeah, cardinal right, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 4: He fought new penal codes that aimed to criminalize clerical activity.
Speaker 4: He was just had a strong association with French freemasonry.
Speaker 4: He went on to consecrate bishops and cardinals and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they were also aligned with maybe some of his ideology,
Speaker 4: who knows. And in his lineage that what is the
Speaker 4: episcopal lineage, I'm saying that episcopal lineage can be traced
Speaker 4: directly to Pope Francis as well as many of the
Speaker 4: cardinals who make up the Saint Gallum mafia. Many of
Speaker 4: the cardinals and archbishops associated with his lineage were the
Speaker 4: ones who were running the Vatican ratlines evacuating Nazis from
Speaker 4: Italy into Argentina and other South American countries, where Bigoglio
Speaker 4: and Pope Francis.
Speaker 1: Is from Yames from Argentina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this kind of central piece of all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Another cardinal in that lineage was Cardinal Sebastian Baggio. And
Speaker 4: according to Father Charles Murr, he said, all those bishops
Speaker 4: and cardinals who formed the Saint Gallant group were named
Speaker 4: by Cardinal Sebastian Baggio. And he was saying that referring
Speaker 4: to one of the cardinals who in nineteen seventy four
Speaker 4: was accused by two other cardinals of being a freemason.
Speaker 4: Charles Murr was a close friend of Cardinal Edward Gagna,
Speaker 4: a Gagnon who had been tasked by the Pope to
Speaker 4: investigate the problem of freemasonry within the Vatican in hierarchy,
Speaker 4: and was privy to some of these internal findings and debates.
Speaker 4: He describes in the book How In nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 4: two Cardinals Dino Staffa and Silvilio Addi presented Paul the
Speaker 4: sixth with documentation about two Vatican prelates. One of them
Speaker 4: was Cardinal Sebastiano Baggio, who was accused by Audio Odi
Speaker 4: and Staffa with proof in hand for being active Freemasons.
Speaker 4: Cardinal Baggio was perfect of this. He was perfect of
Speaker 4: the Sacred Congregation for Bishops from nineteen seventy three until
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, and as such had great influence over
Speaker 4: which clergymen were chosen as bishops and often subsequently cardinals.
Speaker 4: There at the Saint Gallen Group members who were appointed
Speaker 4: bishops when Cardinal Sebastian Baggio, known freemason, was active, and
Speaker 4: the list of the Saint Gallen Group can be fed
Speaker 4: on Wikipedia. And here relicted those bishops who were picked
Speaker 4: during the time of Cardinal Baggio, and that would be
Speaker 4: uh Cardinal Carlo Martini nineteen eighty, Cardinal Ted McCarrick nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy seven, Cardinal Godfrey Daniels nineteen seventy seven, Cardinal Carl
Speaker 4: Lehman in nineteen eighty three, Cardinal Achilles silvastrini nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 4: Cardinal Murphy O'Connor seventy seven, Bishop Whozar seventy seven, and
Speaker 4: Cardinal Joseph pla Carpo in seventy eight. If I do
Speaker 4: if I do remember correctly, wasn't there, Teresa, was this
Speaker 4: somebody who recently came out, well not recently, probably about
Speaker 4: five or six years ago, actually came out and said,
Speaker 4: like one of these people actually like kind of was
Speaker 4: like messing with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so probably the one you're thinking of is Cardinal
Speaker 1: ten mcerrick. Yeah, yeah, he was like people might know
Speaker 1: his name from being like really in the headlines with
Speaker 1: the clergy abuse scandals. He's like a prolific like abuser.
Speaker 1: So he was part of the Saint Alan Mafia.
Speaker 3: What was his name again, Eternal Ted.
Speaker 1: McCarrick mc ca rick. Yeah, he's like a prolific abuser
Speaker 1: and he's part of this influential group which is grazy.
Speaker 3: So Saint Allen is north eastern Switzerland, so it's up
Speaker 3: in the northeastern.
Speaker 4: In the nineteen seventies, various members of the Saint Alam
Speaker 4: Mafia spring into action and focus specifically on subverting priestly
Speaker 4: celibacy and the prohibition against communion for the divorced and
Speaker 4: civilly remarried. Later, after the mafia began meeting around nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety six, Martini gave a nineteen ninety nine dream speech
Speaker 4: in which he listed a number of doctrinal and disciplinal
Speaker 4: knots that needed to be addressed. He's spoke in somewhat
Speaker 4: coded terms, but he was referring to issues such as
Speaker 4: the ordination of married men, communion for the divorced and
Speaker 4: civilly remarried, sinidality, and so on. During the Pontificate of
Speaker 4: Benedict sixth sixteenth, the mafia lette multi pronged war. Specifically,
Speaker 4: Martini kept alive the dream of another council or series
Speaker 4: of synods. Casper clung to the hope of opening up
Speaker 4: communion to the vorce and Civilly remarried, and the Nils
Speaker 4: pushed for exemptions to the ban on condoms. But their agenda,
Speaker 4: you know, only went so far. Their efforts at the
Speaker 4: two thousand and five Oh that's yours, Sorry.
Speaker 1: Worry, Yeah, I know. It's just interesting that Okay, I
Speaker 1: wanted to make a note about the term synod s
Speaker 1: y n od. So I didn't never heard that word
Speaker 1: till maybe a few years ago. So with this Cardinal
Speaker 1: Carlo Martini calling for synods, it's basically like a meeting
Speaker 1: of Christians to discuss reform within their community, and it
Speaker 1: would influence like change from the community upwards as opposed
Speaker 1: to the papacy, which should be like from the top
Speaker 1: down right influencing change. So it's more like, you know,
Speaker 1: the community, what people want the church to just like,
Speaker 1: you know, change with the world, that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the world changing around the church. And
Speaker 1: in the last few years, I think since twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: there's been the Synod on Sinidelity happening in Rome, so
Speaker 1: it's like, how much more of a synod do you want?
Speaker 1: It's the Synod on Sinintality and then like just finished.
Speaker 1: I think it was for like four years, pretty crazy,
Speaker 1: so a lot of changes were like discussed during this time.
Speaker 1: I think, what are they going to say here?
Speaker 3: And some people think that you know, in the US
Speaker 3: it's so byzantine, there's so many different religious groups and everything,
Speaker 3: but in other countries it's the Catholic Church. It's all
Speaker 3: you get, and there's barely any kind of Protestant or Evangelicals.
Speaker 3: From Mexico, they used to kill them really in the
Speaker 3: twentieth century. It happened like competitors against Catholic Church. So
Speaker 3: we may not see the kind of potency and power.
Speaker 3: But I talked to a guy in Argentina where Burgoglio
Speaker 3: is from, and it's like Opus Day, which is another
Speaker 3: secret society, and all these guys are involved in all
Speaker 3: kinds of very traditional Catholic stuff all the way to
Speaker 3: the top. It's apart and parcel of like power of
Speaker 3: the exercise of power in Argentina and other Catholic countries.
Speaker 3: So it's just something to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So the reforms that Nick mentioned about, you know, communion,
Speaker 1: ordination of married men, also a larger role for women
Speaker 1: in the church, which I'm not seeing is necessarily a
Speaker 1: bad thing. Is It's interesting that these ideas are traditionally
Speaker 1: like not up for discussion. Really, another thing too is
Speaker 1: influence of acceptance of other people. So in the church,
Speaker 1: like the LGBTQ agenda and whatnot. Pope Francis basically has
Speaker 1: like tackled the reforms on the Saint Gallan Mafia's list
Speaker 1: and like implemented them like one after the other and
Speaker 1: essentially reinforcing the ideals of the Freemasonic Alta vendida, the
Speaker 1: destruction of the perennial teachings of the church and increased
Speaker 1: liberalism of the church. The idea that the church needs
Speaker 1: to update its dogmas, change with the times and surrender
Speaker 1: to modernism and the world. One example of that is,
Speaker 1: of course, the controversy in Pope Francis's papacy around the
Speaker 1: Latin Mass. He's tried to like quell the Latin Mass
Speaker 1: and essentially like force priests to stop practicing it, which
Speaker 1: is strange because it's like, well, why why would you
Speaker 1: want to do that?
Speaker 3: Like, I know, it's the church is it's kind of
Speaker 3: like centralized power from Rome. It is. Yeah, it's where
Speaker 3: Saint Peter, you know, lent and was be it it supposedly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Essentially, like you know, Paupe Francis is discouraging the
Speaker 1: Latin Mass from being practiced. So that's the like pre
Speaker 1: Vatican To version of the Mass and the celebration of
Speaker 1: the Euchress. He only wants like the Novus Ordo Mass done,
Speaker 1: and that also leaves room for changing how the host
Speaker 1: is consecrated the Eucharus. So it's like, is it really
Speaker 1: now like the Body of Christ anymore? Because you're changing
Speaker 1: some of the wording how the ritual is done. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to think about it, and it's like, why are you
Speaker 1: harping so much on that mass? Is there something special
Speaker 1: about it being said in Latin. Is there something special
Speaker 1: about the rituals that, like we as the lay people
Speaker 1: don't know about that, like the clergy knows, Like something
Speaker 1: is more powerful about the Latin Mass. I've even heard
Speaker 1: some people like convert because they attended Latin Mass, like
Speaker 1: Shilah Buff the actor. He's somebody who played Padre Pio
Speaker 1: in a movie and he was attending Latin mass as
Speaker 1: staying with the Capuchin Friar monks, which padet Pio was
Speaker 1: one of. He stayed with them for research for his role,
Speaker 1: and he ended up converting to Catholicism because he was
Speaker 1: so touched by his experience, and he said a big
Speaker 1: part of it was attending the Latin Mass. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I think I've never attended one myself, but
Speaker 1: from what I gather in like things that I've seen
Speaker 1: written about it in videos, it seems that it's much
Speaker 1: more mystical. And I think part of that is because
Speaker 1: it's not in a language that you like fully understand,
Speaker 1: or there is something about those old languages like Latin
Speaker 1: Hebrew that is much more reverent.
Speaker 4: I mean, here's something interesting I find interesting about this too,
Speaker 4: is that when I end up not even making this
Speaker 4: up when I left theto around that time, and there
Speaker 4: was a few other people who did as well, for
Speaker 4: all multiple reasons. And some of them I know, well,
Speaker 4: unless they were making it up, I don't know why
Speaker 4: they would all lie. And they were all going to
Speaker 4: different ones. They left there and started going to Latin masses.
Speaker 3: With that, and he crrelly based like that whole thing
Speaker 3: on Russian Orthodox Orthodox. So it's that's also very ritualized,
Speaker 3: and you know, yes, so I think so then you
Speaker 3: talk about the needhole for God or whatever. People like
Speaker 3: ritual too. They liked it, they liked the and if
Speaker 3: you look at the last support, it's very ritualized. It's
Speaker 3: very important, like you and my friends do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the words we say, you know, the priest
Speaker 1: says at the consecration and the group responds in a
Speaker 1: whole ritual like it's always the same and yeah, they're
Speaker 1: that Cardinal Martini, who was part of the Saint Alum mafia.
Speaker 1: He has of course broken with the Vatican on a
Speaker 1: number of issues, one of them being the Latin mask.
Speaker 1: He said that he loves the Latin language for prayer
Speaker 1: and would have no trouble doing a Mass in Latin.
Speaker 1: But he won't. He refuses. He says, I will not
Speaker 1: do it. And it's like, well, why are you refusing,
Speaker 1: Like you're a cardinal, Like shouldn't you have reverence for
Speaker 1: this way of like celebrating the Eucharist? Why is there such.
Speaker 3: A isn't there options within Catholic churches or dioceses where
Speaker 3: people can get the Mass in English and also Latin,
Speaker 3: because I thought I remember seeing that fairly recent where
Speaker 3: like you have them everything's English and then five o'clock
Speaker 3: Latin Mass, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you do have a church like that
Speaker 1: near you, that's a great option. A lot of churches,
Speaker 1: at least in my experience I'm in Canada, but there's
Speaker 1: not very many, Like Novas Orto. Mass in your native
Speaker 1: language is the predominant way that it's done. But I
Speaker 1: think we are seeing a movement by a lot of
Speaker 1: even younger Catholics searching for that reverence and that ritual
Speaker 1: that are seeking out the Latin Mess demanding it actually,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because the Vatican apparently wants to quell
Speaker 1: it totally. Yeah, So I don't know, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: There I go now right, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So out of out of like these people that were
Speaker 4: listed as you know, being part of the Saint Gallamafia,
Speaker 4: I think I had a list of eleven. I'm sure
Speaker 4: there's a more than that, but out of that list,
Speaker 4: I did run you know, some I ran their names
Speaker 4: just you know, looking for stuff online. Anything came up
Speaker 4: besides this stuff. And I think I think you had
Speaker 4: him up before you might. Ivo fra right there, you
Speaker 4: have him up there him. He was the Bishop of
Speaker 4: Saint Gallan from nineteen ninety five to two thousand and
Speaker 4: five and hosted the Initiator. There was news reports of
Speaker 4: him connected to Saint Gallamafia of covering up sexual abuse.
Speaker 4: The University of Zurich researchers findings accused Bishop Ivo Feure
Speaker 4: of allowing a priest to remain in ministry despite numerous
Speaker 4: reports of sexual harassment. Basically, yeah, this guy was known
Speaker 4: for like kissing and groping and just you know, being
Speaker 4: a weird creep. And uh I think, uh yeah, he
Speaker 4: basically just didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: And I supposedly proof that he knew that was.
Speaker 3: Rats Ur's job before he came became Bob. He was
Speaker 3: kind of like a cwelling, a lot of the stuff.
Speaker 3: And there the number three guy in the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: They got him off on some sexual abuse stuff. Guy
Speaker 3: from Australia, forgot his name. Like yeah, some of these
Speaker 3: like they're big wigs in the Catholic Church accused him.
Speaker 1: Seemed to be a theme with this group in particular too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then you have godfreed Daniel's and there was a
Speaker 4: Belgian sex tape. Abuse tapes amplify Catholic scandals. That's like
Speaker 4: the news the news top of the news thing. Leak
Speaker 4: tapes of Belgium Cardinal Godfrey Daniels urging a victim not
Speaker 4: to reveal he was sexually abused by a bishop of
Speaker 4: some of the most damaging docs to emerge in the
Speaker 4: scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: There's Godfrey dan de Nails right there.
Speaker 4: The tapes, made secretly by the victim and published in
Speaker 4: two Belgian newspapers on Saturday, show the former the former
Speaker 4: exhorting him to accept a private apology or wait one
Speaker 4: year until the bishop retired before making his case public.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's so obvious that it's like jeez, yeah,
Speaker 4: now you have ad Van l u y N Louen.
Speaker 4: He was head of the Celesian Order Order from nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy five to nineteen eighty one. The bishop was aware
Speaker 4: of several concrete cases and had to take action. The
Speaker 4: spokesman said it is the first time the bishop had
Speaker 4: admitted knowing about the abuse. He declined to make any
Speaker 4: further comment pending the outcome of an independent inquiry into
Speaker 4: abuse at Catholic schools in seminaries worldwide. But he was
Speaker 4: another one that had supposedly known of stuff and really
Speaker 4: didn't say anything. Oh then you have Cormick Murphy O'Connor.
Speaker 4: He admits shame over the nineteen eighty sex abuse case.
Speaker 4: He basically said that he knew that there was a
Speaker 4: Carlon Murphy. O'Connor told the festival crowd how as the
Speaker 4: Bishop of Rundel and Brighton, he allowed Priest Michael Hill
Speaker 4: to become a chaplain of Gatwick Airport, despite Hill confessing
Speaker 4: to him that he had.
Speaker 2: Abused young boys.
Speaker 1: What the heck?
Speaker 4: And because of that allowing him to do that, he
Speaker 4: did eventually end up abusing a boy later on.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that, And then you watched that
Speaker 3: movie Spotlight that was part of the all of the arrangements,
Speaker 3: is that people got paid off and then were told
Speaker 3: to shut up.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: You know they didn't know what was going on. Ye,
Speaker 3: and then they moved people around too, Like it was
Speaker 3: pretty dark. Like that's what Rats and a Girl was in.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's allegedly what Ratson was involved in. It
Speaker 3: is handling the cases and then moving instead of prosecuting
Speaker 3: the priests, they were moving to another diocese and they
Speaker 3: keep going.
Speaker 1: It's graz Yeah, it seems to be a theme with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure this happened in the past as well,
Speaker 1: but it seems to be a strong theme of that
Speaker 1: generation of seminarians and priests, right, And maybe that there
Speaker 1: is a correlation there with like the infiltration of the
Speaker 1: Communists and Freemasonic values. I'm not saying, you know, all
Speaker 1: Freemasons are sex abusers by any means, but like maybe
Speaker 1: there's something there, right, Like it's a strong part of it.
Speaker 3: I Mean, it's been dog doctrine. If you're true as
Speaker 3: you're supposed to kind of break down the traditional family
Speaker 3: and break down all these things that are supposedly, you know,
Speaker 3: keeping the revolution going, like traditional families and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So traditional war yeah or thrown out the window. It
Speaker 3: is anti Christian in anti tradition, there's no question communism.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There is also evidence that a lot of even
Speaker 1: homosexual men were put into the seminaries purposely as well,
Speaker 1: So that's another notice fun.
Speaker 2: Nothing I even want to add too.
Speaker 4: I didn't include them just because there's you know, time
Speaker 4: or whatever and it wasn't that important. But there was
Speaker 4: at least three, if not for other people on that
Speaker 4: list that when I ran, you know, looked for this
Speaker 4: type of stuff, it was going on at a place
Speaker 4: that they were at, but they were admitting it and
Speaker 4: investigating in it. So now like all right, now they're
Speaker 4: not being known as covering it up, but like, what's
Speaker 4: the odds of six to seven of these dudes being
Speaker 4: at places that have this going on?
Speaker 1: You're right?
Speaker 4: I mean, is it that horribly? Is that horrific like
Speaker 4: all over the place? Or is there something here with
Speaker 4: these people?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: And don't I was contrary to by most people, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's as bad to where it's that prevalent.
Speaker 2: I do think it might actually be something with these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or is it too that they were it up
Speaker 1: and hushing it because they were also involved, you know,
Speaker 1: like it makes you wonder, like why are you going? Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I just have a bit of info on like Saint
Speaker 1: Gallen itself, and like why that place? And then I
Speaker 1: think we're pretty much like wrapp going to wrap up
Speaker 1: after that. So there's an interest of time. But so
Speaker 1: why did the Saint Galla mafia pick the Swiss town
Speaker 1: of Saint Gallen to meet in the first place? And
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason might be because the
Speaker 1: city does have deep European Communist roots. Originally, it was
Speaker 1: the base of an Irish missionary named Saint Gallas in
Speaker 1: six twelve a d. And then a monastery was established
Speaker 1: there in seven twenty a d. However, in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century, the region became associated with Satanic
Speaker 1: rituals and communism, so that may have something to do
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Marxist leader of Vladimir Lenin himself did use Switzerland as
Speaker 1: his headquarters during his exi, which was around nineteen oh
Speaker 1: three to nineteen seventeen. Lenin of course inspired the Bolshevik
Speaker 1: Revolution by having his writings printed in Switzerland and smuggled
Speaker 1: into Russia. One person who organized Lenin's return to Russia
Speaker 1: was a Swiss named Fritz Plattin, who was a freemason,
Speaker 1: a communist, and a native of Saint Gallen, the town itself.
Speaker 1: The rise of the Bolshevik Revolution was actually prophesized in
Speaker 1: another Marian apparition. So I mentioned that our lady of
Speaker 1: Las Silette in the beginning of the show, and this
Speaker 1: time in nineteen seventeen, our Lady of Fatima, that's a
Speaker 1: very famous one in Portugal, said Russia will spread her
Speaker 1: airs throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the church.
Speaker 1: The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have
Speaker 1: much to suffer, and various nations will be annihilated. And
Speaker 1: she was referring to World War One when she said
Speaker 1: Russia will spread her heirs. And in nineteen seventeen, of course,
Speaker 1: we had the Bolshevik Revolution and World War One explode
Speaker 1: across Europe and nations were in fact annihilated. Fritz Platten,
Speaker 1: the Swiss Saint Gallen man who helped Lenin. He also
Speaker 1: founded a publication called the Communist International as a way
Speaker 1: to encourage the rise of communism worldwide, and he is
Speaker 1: a major reason why Saint Gallen became a hotbed of
Speaker 1: communism in Switzerland and of course in Europe. There's another gentleman,
Speaker 1: Hermann Joseph Metzger. He was head of the OTO. The
Speaker 1: Ordo templear Orientis in Switzerland and he was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, so that's another connection there. It's interesting also
Speaker 1: infamous ocultist Alistair Crowley, which you're all familiar with, he
Speaker 1: had a connection to Saint Gallen. So apparently he was
Speaker 1: an enthusiastic mountaineer and spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: Switzerland due to its mountainous region. But under the leadership
Speaker 1: of Crowley, the OTO developed from European Freemasonry into the
Speaker 1: practice of Salima, and that unlike explicit Freemasonry, the OTO
Speaker 1: includes a liturgical church known as the Gnostic Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: whose aim is to restore Christianity to its original status
Speaker 1: as a solar centric religion. The oldest OTO lodge is
Speaker 1: in Switzerland and Gnostic Masses were practiced in the Saint
Speaker 1: Gallen diocese that gentleman I refer to before Herman Joseph Metzger,
Speaker 1: he did become patriarch of the Gnostic Catholic Church in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty and he would wear the white cassock and
Speaker 1: zuketo hat, just like the Catholic pope does. He was
Speaker 1: supposedly also head of his Order of the Illuminati and
Speaker 1: head of his Rosicrucian Order as well. Metzger and the
Speaker 1: Swiss Swiss Oto claim to have received incense, wine, and
Speaker 1: eucharistic hosts directly from the Bishop of Saint Gallen, whose
Speaker 1: name was Joseph Hasler in the nineteen sixties. So like,
Speaker 1: receiving the eucharistic host is a big like sacrilege. Like
Speaker 1: outside of the church, you should the priest should know
Speaker 1: not to be giving that out because it is considered
Speaker 1: the actual body of Christ once it's consecrated, So that
Speaker 1: is really interesting, unless he's giving unconsecrated ones to be
Speaker 1: used in the Gnostic Mass, which still for a Catholic
Speaker 1: priest to do is pretty is a weird flex, as
Speaker 1: the kids say, weird flex bro right, Yes, my favorite.
Speaker 3: Is the skivity s givity ris s givity.
Speaker 2: What I heard that.
Speaker 3: Givity is almost it's s givity s givity is like
Speaker 3: a reference to a meme, but it's kind of like
Speaker 3: sketchy and weird.
Speaker 1: That skippity toilet is the original meme. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: two kids that age that use all these terms, so
Speaker 1: I'm well versed.
Speaker 3: Pretty toats Cray Cray right, Like, yeah, I use it
Speaker 3: back at him, just to.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: Honestly, you use their terminology. We're at the hour mark.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you like to add before we
Speaker 3: wrap it up?
Speaker 4: I think the stuff that I had this blue stuff
Speaker 4: here left for me, I think we could skip that.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if there's anything after that, I.
Speaker 1: Think I guess, you know, I think we showed a
Speaker 1: pretty strong connection between the original Altavendida who the Saint
Speaker 1: Gallam mafia, and then those values like being you know,
Speaker 1: passed down into the church in the modern day. There's
Speaker 1: actually been really recent news stories like this week from
Speaker 1: from like you know, popular news outlets. One of them
Speaker 1: was actually yesterday, Pope Francis just appointed a woman as
Speaker 1: a Vatican prefect. Wow, that's new, so again making women
Speaker 1: in a higher position in the church. He also appointed
Speaker 1: Cardinal McElroy as Archbishop of Washington d C. So Washington
Speaker 1: DC is the former diocese of Ted McCarrick, who was
Speaker 1: the prolific abuser that we mentioned who was a member
Speaker 1: of the Saint Ala mafia. Mick Elroy was instrumental in
Speaker 1: covering up McCarrick's crimes m HM and also other abuses
Speaker 1: in the clergy, such as the case of this woman
Speaker 1: named Rachel Master Jacomo. Her story is wild. I had
Speaker 1: no idea and I just dove into it because of
Speaker 1: like the headline that just came out about McElroy and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's the title you just mentioned. Trump critic
Speaker 3: to be Archbishop of Washington and appoints first being the
Speaker 3: leader of the Vatican Department.
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing this play on in real time, even
Speaker 1: in my own kids' school. So my kids attend a
Speaker 1: publicly funded Catholic school here in Toronto, and there's so
Speaker 1: much push like for the LGBTQ agenda and like really
Speaker 1: like down playing the faith in the school like nothing.
Speaker 1: They don't learn anything about religion. I learned a little
Speaker 1: bit in my day, they learned. My kids learn like
Speaker 1: nothing now. Also the sacraments if you like, you know,
Speaker 1: want to make your first communion and stuff. That's a
Speaker 1: reason like why I sent them to Catholic school so
Speaker 1: they can learn that in school. Now they don't even
Speaker 1: learn it in school. We have to take them to
Speaker 1: the church to learn it. It's like they don't even
Speaker 1: include it in the curriculum at all. And then even
Speaker 1: during June, during Pride Month, they'll fly the Pride flag
Speaker 1: on the school flagpole. And it's like, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not homophobic whatsoever, But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 1: why can't we just have the Canadian flag as the
Speaker 1: only flag?
Speaker 4: The flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in any church that flies that flag.
Speaker 1: It's for sure. And I even called the Archdiocese of
Speaker 1: Toronto asking like, why is this happening? After a year
Speaker 1: of putting up with it, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want an answer? I called. They couldn't know. No
Speaker 1: good answer is given, Like there's no direct answer given.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, Okay, now I understand why because these
Speaker 1: directives and these ideologies have been passed down from the
Speaker 1: Vatican for decades, centuries even perhaps, and it's from the
Speaker 1: top down, and there's not a whole lot you can
Speaker 1: do about it except talk about these things amongst your
Speaker 1: own family and friends.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, And I.
Speaker 4: Do think, just just to like reiterate before about like
Speaker 4: showing how there's connections and how.
Speaker 2: Like you know, the Cardinals going one lineage.
Speaker 4: I mean there is there is like solid proof of freemasonry,
Speaker 4: you know ones being in Freemasons, and like, to.
Speaker 2: Me, it's like very weird.
Speaker 4: It's like between two of them, you can actually see
Speaker 4: how this is all happening. Like one of one does
Speaker 4: one and that goes down the line and then that.
Speaker 2: One creates a whole bunch of them. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like to me, it's like it's it's a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, you have to go through a little bit,
Speaker 4: and you can actually find this stuff online and look
Speaker 4: at the lineages. You have to go through a little
Speaker 4: bit if you actually want to take the time and look,
Speaker 4: but like you will actually see how like what we're
Speaker 4: saying and like it does make sense where it's like
Speaker 4: that just looks like it was pre planed, you know
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 1: Stacking the deck with their homies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy amazing. Where can people find yourself? You want
Speaker 3: to talk about cult rejects, Nick and Teresa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they cult rejects. That's on bit Shoot Rumble in
Speaker 4: YouTube and all major podcasts, and we also do have
Speaker 4: the Occult Research Institute dot org and that is a
Speaker 4: bunch of people, a bunch of different types of work.
Speaker 2: Definitely go check that out. And then Teresa, she has
Speaker 2: or I'm sure you can plug that as well if
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have The Spiritual Gangsters as well with Nick
Speaker 1: and actually on that show we have dived into a
Speaker 1: couple of the Marian apparitions quite in depth. So if
Speaker 1: people want to find out more about those really interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: And I will just also mention the movie Conclave. I
Speaker 1: just watched it. This agenda plays out perfectly in that movie,
Speaker 1: and I actually think it was really well done. So
Speaker 1: if you're aware of what's going on, it will be
Speaker 1: a lot more interesting for you to watch.
Speaker 3: It's recent, right, here's the start.
Speaker 1: Very recent, the end of the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I came out Ray Findes, Ray find It's.
Speaker 3: Gotten good reviews. I've seen things I didn't. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: We did the show because I didn't see connection.
Speaker 1: Now I do, so condown, Oh you'll see You'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh I see it, I think yeah.
Speaker 3: Thank you Ray Jackson, thank you nice talking with you.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time. Teresa, the Spiritual Gangsters
Speaker 3: and we talked about the Saint Gallon Mafia, so I'll
Speaker 3: put links to all the shows. Thank you so much,