WEBVTT 1 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.719 Welcome to the Projection Booth and the Culture Cast and 2 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.880 Midnight Viewing. We're doing it all, all three of our shows. 3 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.479 I am your host, Mike White. Joining me is my 4 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.399 other host, Chris Statue. 5 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:00.679 Nice fuck model. 6 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.840 Also joining us is my other host father alone. 7 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:06.760 Beetlejuice. 8 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.280 Okay, whatever, Oh man, there were some little kids that 9 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.359 were getting freaked out at the movie theater. I saw 10 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:13.519 this movie yet, don't. 11 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:17.519 See it a third time. Amazing. 12 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:22.280 Why why are you worried about this somewhat sarcastic demon 13 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:26.120 is gonna show up and do stuff I don't know. 14 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.040 We are sweet love to you. 15 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:33.359 Yes, we are back thirty six years after the original. 16 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.159 We're back with Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, and you know what that 17 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:37.840 third one is going to be called, And you know 18 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.120 they're probably gonna make a third one because this has 19 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.599 had a pretty good box office opening. We're back with 20 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.560 the sequel to Beetlejuice. It's not Beetlejuice Goes Hawaii or 21 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.079 some of the other Beetle Juice movies that had been 22 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.439 kicked around over the years. It's not even a feature 23 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.719 version of the cartoon. Because they had a cartoon of this. 24 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:56.959 It was amazing. 25 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.359 Yeah, watch it on Saturday mornings. Yeah, we are back 26 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.040 with some of the cast of the original film. We'll 27 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.840 definitely be talking about that. We have a family tragedy 28 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.439 that starts this off, and we are introduced to Well. 29 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.719 It's kind of a combination of the Wednesday Show mixed 30 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.639 with the original Beetlejuice. We will be spoiling this movie 31 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.879 as we talk about it, though, I don't think there's 32 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.800 a whole lot you can spoil with this one unless 33 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:29.159 you are a huge Richard Harris fan. So we'll get there. 34 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:38.840 Trust me. When you're all driving carpool and banging your 35 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.439 pilates instructors to fill the empty voids in your life, 36 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:55.159 we'll see who gets the last laugh. My mom grew 37 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:55.560 up here. 38 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.840 That old house ihow with the ghost house is your mom, 39 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:02.360 Lydia Diets. Unfortunately, she's a legend. 40 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:08.159 The living the dead. Can they coexist? 41 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:11.039 Chance? 42 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.800 Ghosts aren't real. Only global people believe that kind of crowd. 43 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.919 I can't believe I'm doing this. Beetle Juice, Beetle Juice, 44 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.439 Beetle Juice. 45 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:27.520 I mean to help me save my daughter, But how 46 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.080 do I know that you're gonna keep your word. 47 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:30.840 I swear my dead mother. 48 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:32.280 Kay. 49 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.360 Well you and the boys stand guard. Nobody gets through. 50 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:50.080 That's cool, honey, recognize that post, servicing that hip before 51 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:52.800 my life or after life. 52 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.240 Yes, are you doing this? 53 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.199 Beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle. 54 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.520 I'm needed upstairs about down the floor? 55 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:08.879 Spill your guys. 56 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.400 Who wants to go first? All right, I will. 57 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:14.240 See. 58 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:20.920 I'm willing to do the work. Good thing for my dream. 59 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:22.920 Really mortnamor maitarial. 60 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:29.759 In front of the unknown, conquering your fears. There's nothing harder. 61 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:37.600 All right? What the. 62 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.319 Thank you all for coming to this special occasion. But 63 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:52.360 right now, with like a little privacy. 64 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.480 Chris, what did you think of Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice? And did 65 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:58.639 you see this theatrically? And if so, what was your experience, like, sir, 66 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:00.399 with the original one? 67 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:01.920 No, no, no, no, the new one? 68 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.720 Yeah, oh yeah, I saw the new one in theaters. 69 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.199 It was Look, you know, I went to Los Angeles 70 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.560 earlier in the year and I went to Universal Studios 71 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.759 and they had as I was walking out the door, 72 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:13.560 they had a guy addressed up like beetlejuice. 73 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.839 You know, you'll get your picture with Beetlejuice. 74 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.800 Look, I find the original Beatle Juice probably to be 75 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.639 my favorite Tim Burton movie. I would say it's probably 76 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:25.439 in my top ten or fifteen movies. I think the 77 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.920 character of beatle Juice is one that I resonate with 78 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:30.480 a lot, as I think a lot of people do, 79 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:32.839 because he's kind of a piece of shit, But he's, 80 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.839 you know, a lovable piece of shit, which makes it 81 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.319 at least he was in the original. I think we'll 82 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.759 have plenty to talk about when it comes to this 83 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:43.000 movie and Beatle Juice. But the original I think is 84 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:46.160 a seminal film for me. I mean, you know, a 85 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.040 lot of the bits from the first movie are things 86 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.399 that you know, like the nice fucking model or the 87 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:52.279 you know, hey, come here, got some good for you? 88 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:54.639 Come on with the fucking zagnut bar. I mean, the 89 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.839 original is a classic for a reason. Is this movie 90 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.600 going to hold up to that in the long term? 91 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.800 Thirty five years from now, will we be talking about Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, 92 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.480 which give them credit? The title is clever, I don't. 93 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.480 I mean, it is just based on the premise alone 94 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.480 of the what the framing device of Beetlejuice as a 95 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.000 character is the title of the movie's great I mean, 96 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.800 Beetle Juice Coastwaiian is the thing we all wanted, obviously 97 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.319 for the longest time and still do. 98 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.920 But I think if we're talking legacy sequels, which this 99 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:31.079 very much is, I think it's one of the better ones, 100 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.959 if not, kind of up there with a good example 101 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.360 of how you can do this if you want to 102 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.480 do this. And that's the thing with this movie for me. 103 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.800 Did we need this No? Did we need this earlier 104 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.399 than twenty twenty four, Yes, that's the problem. Did we 105 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.040 need it now? 106 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:49.279 No? 107 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.319 Did we need it twenty years ago? Yeah? 108 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.319 I kind of think so if we were going to 109 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.639 be doing a Beetlejuice movie thirty five fucking years later, 110 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.360 Did people just wake up that Beetlejuice. 111 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.639 Was a character that we wanted to revisit. 112 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.519 No, I just I've never understood that the issue with 113 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.240 legacy sequels that it took the industry twenty years to 114 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.360 wisen up to we have all these things people like, 115 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.279 oh my god, Like it doesn't take people going to 116 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.319 Spirit Halloween and buying Beetlejuice shit for you to realize 117 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.439 you have one of the more iconic characters that's been created, 118 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.639 at least in terms of eighties movies, And it's like 119 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.600 it took thirty five years to get to this point 120 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.680 for real. It shocks me that we're talking about a 121 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.639 Beetlejuice movie in twenty twenty four, not because I didn't 122 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.480 think this movie would have ever come out, but because 123 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.439 I didn't think it would have taken thirty five years 124 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.560 to make a movie about Beetlejuice. Again, given that there 125 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.079 was a cartoon, given that the original was so successful, 126 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.040 given that we are watching a second one thirty five 127 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:44.639 years later. 128 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:49.079 Beetlejuice has multiple porn parodies. Let's just put that out there. 129 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.279 There are multiple it's been that long. I mean, yeah, 130 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.360 Edward Penis Hands came out so quickly after the original 131 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:01.120 Edward Scissorhands. Yeah, okay, it makes sense to me that 132 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.959 we're not really getting a sequel for that, but maybe 133 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.120 we will. Maybe we'll get in Edward Scissorhands too, where 134 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.600 we don't explain why Johnny Depp has aged all these 135 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.800 years or something. Yeah, how about you, father Mallon, what 136 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:14.279 do you think about Beetlejuice? 137 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:19.879 Beetlejuice well, here's a fun fact, gentlemen, when this move. 138 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.319 When Beatle Juice, the original Beetlejuice came out, studios used to. 139 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:24.399 Do preview nights. 140 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:26.199 They would do it like a week before the film 141 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.199 was scheduled to come out, usually on a Thursday. They 142 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.240 would always partner it up with whatever was sort of 143 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:35.279 failing at the box office. In this case, Beetlejuice was 144 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.399 partnered up with Police Academy assignment to Miami Beach, and 145 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.080 so I attended this special screening of Beetlejuice with HP 146 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:51.120 fellow weirding Way Media mogul HP. That was the first 147 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.519 thing we ever went to the movies to see together 148 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:58.840 as freshmen in high school. And I loved the fucking movie, 149 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.720 obviously when I'm about the soundtrack. Was obsessed with it 150 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.320 for years and years, and was especially proud because Michael 151 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.480 McDowell lived in Medford, which was the town over from 152 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.159 my hometown, and wrote Beetlejuice because he hated his neighbors 153 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.919 and wanted to imagine a way to fucking kill them all, 154 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.720 and a bio exorcist seemed like a good idea. So 155 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:23.399 that movie hasn't diminished in any way for me over 156 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.759 the years, every time I want Beetlejuice, it's just as 157 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.840 good as when I first watched it. I don't have 158 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.720 any problems with that movie, like at all. So I 159 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.039 wasn't surprised that they made another one, and I'm not 160 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.679 surprised it took them as long as they did. The 161 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.120 fact is the movie was never getting made unless it 162 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:44.039 was Burton and Keaton. Neither was going to make the 163 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.440 movie without the other. So I mean, I am surprised 164 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.200 it took as long as it did, and I suspect 165 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:57.399 it went into production finally because of Jenna or Tega. 166 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.279 I think once he figured that out and had Auf 167 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.600 and Miller retool the screenplay to have this daughter character, 168 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.279 I think that's why we got a movie. Here's the thing, though, 169 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.559 I think that's unfortunate because I think that character is 170 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.519 superfluous to the movie that we got. I agree with you, Chris, 171 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:16.639 I think this is the best of the legacy sequels 172 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.440 that we've seen. I think there's more to recommend this 173 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.120 movie than not. I think the fan service sucks. I'm 174 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.000 sorry it's in here because I think the innovative stuff 175 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.559 that they do in here is really fun. I like 176 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:30.840 all the stuff we spent, all the time we spend 177 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.279 in the fucking paranormal world, all the ghostly stuff. It's 178 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.559 all great. It's so great, in fact, that I wish 179 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:39.320 they had just done a reverse to the first film 180 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.279 and spent the little time that we spend in the 181 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.799 human world as opposed to it should have taken place 182 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.759 entirely in the ghost world, is my point. But having 183 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.240 said that, and I do have even greater problems with it, 184 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.559 namely justin Thuru's character. I liked it overall. I mean, 185 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:00.960 it was a good time. It's when I saw the 186 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.279 early trailers I was really scared because it seemed like 187 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.519 whatever takes they were using of Michael Keaton, he seemed 188 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.039 really tired, and I was worried that this was just 189 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:13.759 going to be sad, and it's that was not the 190 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.720 case at all. There's more of him in this movie 191 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.919 than the first film, and it's welcome. I wish there 192 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.519 was more of it. That's my take on Beetlejuice Belers. 193 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.279 What about you, Mike, Well, I don't think I like it, 194 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.600 liked it as much as you did. I think I 195 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.960 liked it okay, but it just it felt kind of scattered. 196 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.840 It didn't really feel like there was a real clear 197 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:38.559 through line to this. 198 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:39.600 Yeah. 199 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.600 I'm also a huge fan of the original saw that 200 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.360 theatrically back in eighty eight, watched it a ton when 201 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:51.159 it was on cable in VHS, and just really enjoyed it. 202 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.919 This one, it this one almost felt more like a 203 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.240 Men in Black sequel than a Beetlejuice sequel, especially with 204 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.600 Monica Belushi character, who I mean, she gets a what 205 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.559 two lines maybe during this whole thing, and there were 206 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.960 times where I was looking at her going is that 207 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:12.960 Catherine Zeta Jones from Wednesday? Or is that did Tim 208 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.720 Burton finally make amends with Lisa Marie and get her back? 209 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.399 Because he certainly has a type And apparently he and 210 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.559 Monica Blucci are now dating, which okay, I guess that's 211 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:25.320 one of his rules, is that he has to date 212 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.559 some of the cast members. I mean, that was how 213 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.960 and why Helena Bonham Carter, who is a fucking fantastic 214 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.799 actress gets in here and I love into his world. 215 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.240 I should say I love Monica Blucci, but she has 216 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.879 nothing to do in this movie other than walk around, 217 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.279 and it just felt like there was nothing going on 218 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.000 with her, and I was like, where is she in 219 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:47.399 relation to the rest of these characters. I thought Catherine 220 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:52.200 O'Hara Delia had mellowed incrediblyity over the years, and maybe 221 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.960 that's just the way that life works. And of course 222 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.879 just the introduction of the Jeffrey Jones character and that 223 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.919 how that becomes a thing throughout the whole movie, this 224 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.279 corpse walking around without a head and with a person 225 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.679 doing a Jeffrey Jones impersonations voice coming out of it. 226 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:10.759 Did we even need this? I thought it was kind 227 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:14.519 of nice having the sharp shaped tombstone, and I thought 228 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.440 the production design of this was very good. I don't 229 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:19.639 know if we needed the musical act. I guess they 230 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:21.840 were like, well, we did Dano in the first one, 231 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.960 so we have to do MacArthur Park in this one. 232 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.519 And I love MacArthur Park, and so this one was 233 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.600 perversely enjoyable in that part, especially seeing all of the 234 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:38.039 people live syncing MacArthur Park. And it's such a ridiculous 235 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:41.519 song that I think that it fits this perfectly. But 236 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.000 I kind of missed more of that Danny Elfman score. 237 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.279 I mean, to your point, this is one of his 238 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:50.799 best scores, and I know he did music for this, 239 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.759 but it just wasn't as present as it could have been. 240 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:56.720 I mean, there were characters in here that just kind 241 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.720 of drop in and drop out, like Wollem Dafoe, and 242 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.879 I just I was like, please, guys, just give this 243 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.639 another pass or two or three at the typewriter, because 244 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.279 I think that it could have been way better. 245 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.799 But to both of your points, if you are here 246 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:20.120 or Beetlejuice, I think it satisfies in that regard, right. 247 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.759 Well, yeah, I mean Beetlejuice is a tough character. I mean, 248 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.360 I don't know if you guys read those sequel scripts 249 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.039 to Beetlejuice, Like there were at least two out there, 250 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.080 and I know there's probably been more. But it's a 251 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.919 tough thing because he's kind of like the shark from Jaws, 252 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.039 Like you don't want him on screen too much, and 253 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.879 it's smart to keep him away from things. Here I 254 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.159 am complaining about Monica Alucci is too far away from things. 255 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.679 But I think they give us just the right amount 256 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.120 of Beetle Juice because too much would have been way 257 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.159 you know, even more would have been way too much. 258 00:14:55.559 --> 00:15:00.200 And I disagree with that. Actually, please, because here's the thing. Yeah, 259 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.120 I honestly wish this had been a movie beginning to 260 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.639 end Beetlejuice and then he has to come to our 261 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.919 world to like fucking deal with his Monica Balucci problem. Look, 262 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.480 I did not in any let me deal with Michael 263 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.480 Keaton first, because I think I was worried too. And 264 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.759 everyone keeps saying that a little living goes a long way, 265 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.519 which is true, and he's in that first movie only 266 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.240 like twelve minutes. It's the perfect amount, right. But the 267 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.480 thing is, the human stuff going on in that movie 268 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.519 is so fucking compelling that having this chaotic character show 269 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:32.399 up every once in a while it's just the right 270 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:35.320 amount in this movie. I don't give a fuck about 271 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.720 Jenna or Taegis character, or her boyfriend or anything else 272 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.039 sort of swirling around here. There's a lot that I 273 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.639 really like in the movie. But it is, as you said, 274 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.519 like they needed another pass on the screenplay. If this 275 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.519 had been a even okay, putting aside my fucking fan 276 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.919 fictioning that it should have been from Beetlejuice's point of view, 277 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.080 it seems to me, and maybe I'm crazy, that this 278 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.480 at one point was going to be a love triangle 279 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.240 movie between Lydia, her boyfriend and Beatlejuice. Doesn't it seem 280 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:04.799 like it was constructed. 281 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.200 That way a little bit? 282 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:10.960 Yeah, and not the fucking stupid boob of a character 283 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.840 that fucking justin Threeaux is playing. Which, by the way, 284 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.279 when you do that in a movie like this, you 285 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.440 have one of our lead characters, one of our most 286 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.200 beloved characters, fall in love with this fucking moron like 287 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.279 it cheapens her. Sorry everybody, but making her in love 288 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.440 with this boob does not aid her character in any way, 289 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.000 shape or form. It's really it's hurtful. But if Lydia 290 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:35.840 had been in love with a ghost and she's and 291 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:37.960 this other ghost is firing for her attention, that could 292 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.159 have been fucking great. It would have streamlined everything. But no, 293 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.120 we have to have Jenna or Tag in it because 294 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.879 she's she's his real new muse in the movie. 295 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.360 Well, no offense to the actor that played the ex 296 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.360 husband with all the kiranhas on him, but who is he? 297 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:58.519 Because I was expecting somebody big to show up, I 298 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.519 was like, oh, well, this guy's got to be at 299 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.119 least like Pedro Pascal level or something, or you know, 300 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.359 somebody who I knew, and then this guy shows up. 301 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.720 I'm like, oh, okay. 302 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.599 Yeah, how about Ewan McGregor or somebody Tim Burton's worked with. 303 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.200 Danny DeVito was a fucking janitor for two seconds. Give 304 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:18.119 us some Johnny Depp. 305 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.039 Yeah, I don't know what. 306 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:24.440 I don't know what to say, Like it's twenty twenty four. 307 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:26.319 Give us some Johnny Depp for fuck's sake. I don't 308 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:27.440 know they work together enough. 309 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.039 They sure did, and you know, if you're worried about 310 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.119 the optics, I mean, they got rid of Jeffrey Jones, 311 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:35.200 so I don't know if. 312 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:36.759 They sure did didn't. 313 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.680 But here's the thing. Does a claimation pedophile somehow the 314 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.200 real pedophile even absolved? But does it not? Does it 315 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:46.799 take you out of the movie, because it took me 316 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.400 out of the movie. Here's the thing. I loved the 317 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:54.400 idea of a flashback being claimation. I thought it was great. 318 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.920 Well, yeah, it really recalled Cabin Boy because it was 319 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.240 that same style of anime that was in Cabin Boy. 320 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.200 But it's just Jeffrey Jones. And I'm like, there's a 321 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.759 reason he's not in this movie. Guys. They didn't write 322 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:12.160 his character as dead for just dramatic purposes, because if 323 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.839 there had been no scandal rest issured, Charles Deets would 324 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.599 be in this movie. 325 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.440 Yeah, still acting weird thirty five years later. 326 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.920 Well, and she even gives a what's the name of 327 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:26.880 the guy that Robert Cooley played. 328 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.279 Oh, Maxy Priest. 329 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.599 Yeah. They She even says at one point during the funeral, 330 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:32.759 Oh was that Maxi Priest? 331 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.559 And I was like, Oh, wasn't he dead? He? 332 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.680 Well, no, I know that, but like, also, like, isn't 333 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.640 the character in the universe dead? 334 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.039 He got shot through the roof of the house. 335 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:46.039 Oh that's true. 336 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:47.480 Yeah, that is. 337 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:49.680 We tend not to think of what happened to him, 338 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.319 but he's most likely dead. He was launched through a 339 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.240 ceiling of a century old house. By the way, one 340 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:58.119 of my favorite bits in the entire movie is after 341 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.680 Charles's funeral that the house itself is in mourning, that 342 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.279 they've draped the entire house in black gossamer. I thought 343 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.759 that was fucking hilarious. That actually made me laugh out loud. Also, 344 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:13.079 I wish the trailer had not ruined the child choir 345 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:17.640 singing the Banana Boat song because it being sung at 346 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:20.519 his funeral. That's the other that made me laugh really 347 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:21.200 hard as well. 348 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.319 I was glad I hadn't seen the trailer. But there 349 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:28.000 were several times during the movie where I was like, Oh, 350 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.119 this has got to be a trailer shot. There's one 351 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.480 where like the camera's kind of I don't want tracking 352 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.559 across faces. It might be at that funeral, and I 353 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:38.400 was like, oh, well, this is a trailer shot. 354 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:39.559 And then there's another. 355 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:43.079 One where it's the City Model and they're inside of 356 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.240 the attic and somebody comes in and goes, oh wow whatever. 357 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.480 I'm like, oh yeah, this is totally from the trailer 358 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:54.759 to it missed to be Yeah, some thought that he 359 00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:02.359 was gone. 360 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.759 Beatle Juice beatles. Yeah, pretty much. 361 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.839 And we did the fucking advertising for this movie. 362 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.519 This summer. Michael Keaton returns. All Right, we're good. He's 363 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:17.400 the He's the best part of this movie other than 364 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:18.559 the practical effects. 365 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:21.720 Well, the practical effects are off the charts. They're greatest. 366 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.359 That's that's that is the best part of this movie. 367 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.920 Ultimately, say what you will about Beetle Juice as a character, 368 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:28.920 say what you will about your My leg will vary 369 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.440 with Beetlejuice, and I agree with you, Father Malone. You 370 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:34.440 know look, the first movie. They it's not that they 371 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:35.880 didn't know what they had, but they knew what they 372 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:37.319 had enough to keep Beatle Juice. 373 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:38.839 Off the screen so that he didn't get in the way. 374 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:42.160 Now I agree it would have benefited them if they had, 375 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.319 you know, just given us more goddamn Beetle Juice and 376 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:46.799 less of everything else. 377 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.799 Because is it okay to. 378 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:51.759 Say I don't get I get it with Jenna Ortega, 379 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.839 but it doesn't do anything for me. Does that make sense? 380 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.799 Can I say that? Is that a thing to say 381 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.480 it doesn't do anything for me? I would rather Kiernan 382 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.200 Shipka because I think Kieranan Shipka is kind of what 383 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.240 I think Jenna Ortega for a lot of people is, 384 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.359 which is a very talented young person who got there 385 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.720 starting on a TV show that was on Netflix or 386 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.799 is ostensitibly known for it. And Kieran Shipka played Sabrina, 387 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.079 which much better show than Wednesday. 388 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:18.839 In a lot of ways. 389 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:21.079 It doesn't have Louise Guzman in it, I get it, 390 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.240 but you know, I found Sabrina to be a much 391 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.599 more interesting show that's talking about the same things, if 392 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.720 not very similar things. 393 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.759 Well, look, I fundamentally think that that character should not 394 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.880 be in the movie. So for the Goths, baby, and 395 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:43.440 the thing is, like, the actual prototypical Goth girl is 396 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.279 Lydia Diets. That's where it all began. The modern goth 397 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.400 starts with her. There's just no question about that, right right, 398 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.720 We've got her. We don't need another her. I would 399 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:58.839 have appreciated something different. I don't need a little clone 400 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.279 of Winona Rye, like the sort of brooding team. 401 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.119