Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. In this episode, I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Dan from Michigan, who shares a series of unsettling
Speaker 1: encounters that took place near his family's remote cabin in
Speaker 1: the forest surrounding a state park. What began as a
Speaker 1: peaceful place to fish, hunt and enjoy the outdoors slowly
Speaker 1: became the setting for experiences that changed the way he
Speaker 1: looked at the wilderness forever. Dan describes hearing a blood
Speaker 1: curdling scream that shook his entire body while bow hunting.
Speaker 1: He also witnessed a massive, reddish brown creature crossing the
Speaker 1: road in broad daylight. Dan also recalls encountering an overwhelming
Speaker 1: odor deep in the forest and the mysterious break in
Speaker 1: at the family cabin. If you enjoy firsthand wilderness encounters
Speaker 1: and unexplained stories from some of the North America's most
Speaker 1: remote forests, I think you'll really enjoy this conversation. If
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Speaker 1: if you have a bigfoot encounter that you would like
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Speaker 1: With all that being said, let's dive into Dan's bigfoot
Speaker 1: encounters from the state of Michigan. All Right, Dan, welcome
Speaker 1: to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: How are you doing excellent? It's an absolute pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you on the show today, Dan, if you would
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about yourself, where you're from,
Speaker 1: and your experiences from the very beginning, please okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I was born in Detroit, Michigan, and grew up
Speaker 2: in the suburbs and lived there most of my life.
Speaker 2: We had a cabin out in the woods about fourteen
Speaker 2: miles northwest of Ascota, which is where I won't go
Speaker 2: to with the story. I moved to North Carolina in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two for work. But basically now, as
Speaker 2: far as the property goes, we had a great grandmother
Speaker 2: that was a school teacher near my Cato, Michigan, back
Speaker 2: in the eighteen hundreds, and she purchased the forty acre
Speaker 2: plot from a guy named mister Buele, who was a
Speaker 2: huge landowner during the loggin industry back in those days.
Speaker 2: She kept the property for her whole life, never did
Speaker 2: anything with it, and she left it to her daughter
Speaker 2: and her daughter and her husband who's my great at
Speaker 2: and Alcole. They built a cabin there, completely unaccessible by
Speaker 2: road at the time he had to take it was
Speaker 2: a two track, and back when they built it, you know,
Speaker 2: they used to horse and buggy to get back in there.
Speaker 2: But over the years it stayed in the family and
Speaker 2: we gradually you know, built onto it and eventually got
Speaker 2: electricity out there and stuff. But it's been a vacation
Speaker 2: spot in our family for years. My father wasn't a hunter,
Speaker 2: but my older brothers and I we developed curiosity for
Speaker 2: hunting back in the late sixties ortly seventies, so we
Speaker 2: started hunting out there. So that's just a little bit
Speaker 2: of a history about the property itself. It's completely surrounded
Speaker 2: by the Alcona I'm sorry, the Aasabol State Forest on
Speaker 2: all four sides, which butts up to the here On
Speaker 2: National Forest, so it's it's remote, very very remote. It
Speaker 2: has a spring fed creek that goes right through the
Speaker 2: which we used to drink out of, full of brook,
Speaker 2: trout and beaver and deer and all kinds of game
Speaker 2: out there, So anyhow'll get to the story. So late eighties,
Speaker 2: in October, I went up there by myself to go
Speaker 2: bow hunting. And one morning I got up real early,
Speaker 2: about four am, made something to eat, put the camera on,
Speaker 2: got ready, and I walked out the front door at
Speaker 2: five AM. I wanted to get to my blind well
Speaker 2: before light, so I walked out the front door and
Speaker 2: around to the back of the cabin. That the blind
Speaker 2: was about a quarter mile behind the cabin. And just
Speaker 2: as soon as I walked around the corner, you know,
Speaker 2: I noticed it was pretty quiet, and you know, real
Speaker 2: quiet morning. And I got around to the side of
Speaker 2: the house and then all of a sudden, I heard
Speaker 2: the most god awful scream I ever heard in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean loud. It just froze me in my tracks,
Speaker 2: and it sounded like a woman being brutally tortured or
Speaker 2: murdered or whatever. It was just and it went on
Speaker 2: for quite some time, and it was so loud that
Speaker 2: it actually shook my whole body just vibrated, you know,
Speaker 2: I could just feel it just go right through me.
Speaker 2: And my first instinct was was to get back in
Speaker 2: the cabin. You know, I had no idea what that was.
Speaker 2: In all the years of my life going up there,
Speaker 2: I never ever ever heard anything like that. So I
Speaker 2: went back in the cabin and I sat down with
Speaker 2: my forty four magnum and I just waited for the
Speaker 2: sun to come on. Now, that was pretty much my
Speaker 2: first experience. But the same week I was up there
Speaker 2: for a week and I was driving to town headed east.
Speaker 2: The road that I was on ran east and west,
Speaker 2: and I was headed east and it was just before sundown,
Speaker 2: and I got just past this old abandoned farmhouse down
Speaker 2: the road and I saw something come out of the ditch.
Speaker 2: So I stopped my car and I'm marching it. That
Speaker 2: was maybe, I don't know, between fifteen one hundred yards
Speaker 2: away if that, And this thing came out of the
Speaker 2: ditch right next to the mailbox and it was covered
Speaker 2: in hair, and I'm looking at it stroll across the road.
Speaker 2: It kind of glided across the road, didn't look at me,
Speaker 2: didn't look at anything, and I'm thinking, what the heck
Speaker 2: is you know? And you could see the hair hanging
Speaker 2: off of it, and it's knees were as high as
Speaker 2: the mailbox. So I thought, okay, whatever that means, It's huge,
Speaker 2: and it walked, you know, across the road into the woods,
Speaker 2: and that was pretty much it. You know, I mean
Speaker 2: being from Michigan, this was back in the late eighties
Speaker 2: and growing up, you never think about, you know, a
Speaker 2: sasquatch being in the state of Michigan. I have never
Speaker 2: ever even thought about it up until that point. So
Speaker 2: I guess I was in kind of denial about it
Speaker 2: for quite some time, because, you know, how could that be.
Speaker 2: This is a Northwestern thing. This happens in you know,
Speaker 2: Washington State, Canada, not here. So for years and years
Speaker 2: I just kind of blocked it. And then one day
Speaker 2: I finally just sat down and I thought, you know
Speaker 2: what I got. I gotta know what that was. So
Speaker 2: I started doing research on animal screams in Michigan. Couldn't
Speaker 2: find anything that came anywork close to it, especially with
Speaker 2: that kind of volume. And you know, then I started
Speaker 2: listening to some other stuff that people have recorded, you know,
Speaker 2: different sasquatch sounds, and Okay, that sounds more like what
Speaker 2: I heard. And so since then it's just been kind
Speaker 2: of a thing for me just to try to find
Speaker 2: out what's what's really out there. And I do know
Speaker 2: that a few times walking down the road. Our mailbox
Speaker 2: was a mile away from the cabin, so we had
Speaker 2: to walk a mile down this dirt road, which was
Speaker 2: our daily exercise. We could have driven down there, but
Speaker 2: we chose to walk. And I remember a couple of times,
Speaker 2: this is before this happened, smelling something awful. You know,
Speaker 2: either side of the road was kind of a swampy,
Speaker 2: dense wooded area, and I remember thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 2: something must have died in there. You know, it smells terrible,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm wondering now if that's what I smelled.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know for sure, but I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if that could have been in But anyhow, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was quick the experience, and I've never hunted, never went
Speaker 2: bow hunting again, and I wouldn't go out in the
Speaker 2: woods by myself again. And of course, trying to explain
Speaker 2: to my brothers or my friends, I was just you know, whatever, man,
Speaker 2: you were just hallucinating, blah blah blah. You know. So
Speaker 2: it's been tough, and now pretty much that's it. And
Speaker 2: the reason that I wanted to talk today is because
Speaker 2: you know, I have watched some of your podcasts and
Speaker 2: for years, I've wondered if there's any other people in
Speaker 2: Michigan or in that area that it had experiences like
Speaker 2: I did. And I've heard a couple of guys on
Speaker 2: your show talk about it, even the scream. The color
Speaker 2: the one I saw was it was brown, but with
Speaker 2: a sun hit that you can see red as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and some of them are pretty close to
Speaker 2: the same area that that I saw it in the
Speaker 2: you know, the Assable River Valley, the Pine River area
Speaker 2: out that way. So and that's pretty much it as
Speaker 2: far is what the experience I had.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dan, I appreciate you for sharing the details with me.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, the state forest is it
Speaker 1: spelled au Sable State Forest? Is that the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? A U S A B L E.
Speaker 1: Okay, And that's pretty close that's part of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty close to Manistee Lake, north of Roscommon State
Speaker 1: Forest area and kind of northeast of the Huron Manistee
Speaker 1: National Forest. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: It is? It borders the Huron Manistee National Forest. If
Speaker 2: you were to walk through the property off the back
Speaker 2: of the side, you would you would wind up in
Speaker 2: the the Heuron National Forest and there's a river that
Speaker 2: runs through there called the Pine River, which is it's
Speaker 2: there are all tributaries to the Asabo River, and the
Speaker 2: little creek that ran through our property, which was spring fed.
Speaker 2: It was a tributary to the Pine River. So there
Speaker 2: was plenty of opportunity to have plenty of food and
Speaker 2: water and whatever they needed to survive down there. And
Speaker 2: right behind the cabin maybe I don't know eighth of
Speaker 2: a mile, there was a mammoth cedar swamp down there,
Speaker 2: and I remember growing up that the locals would tell me,
Speaker 2: don't go in that cedar swamp. You know, it's dangerous
Speaker 2: and you could get lost or turned around, and we
Speaker 2: don't know what's in there. So I never went in.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they were referring to the
Speaker 2: Sasquatch or if it was just, you know, truthfully, so
Speaker 2: dense in there that you couldn't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really interesting. When the creatures screamed at you,
Speaker 1: was it close to the spring fed creek? By chance?
Speaker 2: It was real close to it?
Speaker 1: And what do you think it was trying to say?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if I startled it. One theory
Speaker 2: you had a guy on here a while ago. That
Speaker 2: was a detective I think retired, and I do believe
Speaker 2: I talked to him at one point, and his theory
Speaker 2: was is that maybe I scared a mother, you know,
Speaker 2: with a young one down by the creek, and that
Speaker 2: she was just sending out a warning, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: to a male that she was maybe in trouble or
Speaker 2: a startled or whatever. But other than that, I have
Speaker 2: no idea. Othertheless, I say, I startled it maybe or
Speaker 2: it was just telling me, you know, don't come out here,
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. Just but after hearing that screen,
Speaker 2: there was no doubt I wasn't going out there, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an excellent theory. And it was definitely startled
Speaker 1: and communicating with the rest of the group that there's
Speaker 1: a human in the.
Speaker 2: Area, yeah, human armed, even though it was only just
Speaker 2: a you know, compoumbo. But I said, I've seen bears
Speaker 2: around there, I've seen every kind of animal there is,
Speaker 2: and I've been going up there since, you know, nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight when I was born, and I've never seen
Speaker 2: or heard or anything like that. I used to have
Speaker 2: hunting dogs. I'd go up there bird hunting all the time,
Speaker 2: and never came across anything like that. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if the dogs ever did. Of course they can't talk.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's one of the reasons one of
Speaker 2: my best friends has a very hard time believe in
Speaker 2: me is because he says, as much as we hunted
Speaker 2: those lands over the years, you just think we've seen something.
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, well, you know, if we're out
Speaker 2: there with guns and dogs, why would they come near us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wouldn't be elusive if everybody saw them every
Speaker 1: time they were Oh yeah. And so when you encountered
Speaker 1: the creature, how good of a look did you get?
Speaker 2: Mean, when it was crossing the road, Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: a great look at it. I didn't see its face
Speaker 2: because it was walking across the road, but I did
Speaker 2: see its profile, and I saw its head. It was
Speaker 2: just like I said, the whole thing was covered in
Speaker 2: the reddish brown hair. And just so happened that I
Speaker 2: noticed that the mailbox had stepped up next to his
Speaker 2: knees or as egh as that mailbox.
Speaker 1: Interesting was this in the same timeframe that you heard
Speaker 1: the screen vocalization?
Speaker 2: It was within a week. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Do you feel like maybe the sasquatch purposely revealed
Speaker 1: itself to you as a territorial display.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I was driving my car at
Speaker 2: the time, and it was probably a mile away from
Speaker 2: the cabin when I walked across the road. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was nothing else out there, so it would have
Speaker 2: to be pretty intelligent to think, Okay, well that's his
Speaker 2: car and I'm gonna show myself to him right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the way it was acted,
Speaker 2: it looked like it just didn't even care I was there.
Speaker 2: I just walked across the road back into the woods.
Speaker 1: What time of day did it cross the road?
Speaker 2: Just before sundown? So I'm guessing in October in Michigan.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what time that would be, but the
Speaker 2: sun wasn't completely down yet, and I could see, you know,
Speaker 2: the sun going down behind me, and it was between
Speaker 2: me and the sun. So I'm guessing probably late in
Speaker 2: the afternoon or early evening.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it was possibly getting up from its betting
Speaker 1: area and moving in the evening time in October to
Speaker 1: either hunt join up with the rest of the clan,
Speaker 1: or to revealed itself to you, to possibly say stay
Speaker 1: the hell out of the woods.
Speaker 2: Could have been yep, because the old abandoned farmer's field.
Speaker 2: There was just it was full of you know, foliage,
Speaker 2: so it could have very easily been bedding down in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So where was it coming from? And where was
Speaker 1: it going to? From what you saw?
Speaker 2: Okay, it was headed south to north across, yeah, across
Speaker 2: the road.
Speaker 1: And was it coming from like dense forests and going
Speaker 1: into like farmland or going towards a creek? How can
Speaker 1: you describe the patterns?
Speaker 2: Well, when it came out of a field and you know,
Speaker 2: walked through the ditch across the road into the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, would you say it was out in the
Speaker 1: open in that field? Possibly?
Speaker 2: If it was, I didn't notice it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I mean I did not notice it until
Speaker 2: it glanced in my rearview mirror and saw it coming
Speaker 2: up out of the ditch. Yeah, and I immediately stopped
Speaker 2: and just watch to see what that thing was. I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure what it was going to be until it,
Speaker 2: you know, got out on the road and I saw
Speaker 2: it for sure.
Speaker 1: And how long did the entire encounter last?
Speaker 2: Well? Maybe ten seconds?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a significant amount of time. And that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. You got to see one how tall would
Speaker 1: you say.
Speaker 2: It was well gaging that the mailbox is probably what
Speaker 2: four feet you think, Yeah, I'm gunsin probably at least
Speaker 2: seven to eight feet tall.
Speaker 1: And did you ever go back to look for tracks,
Speaker 1: any tree structures or did it just kind of terrify
Speaker 1: you to even think about the encounter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it terrified me. I didn't think about anything. I
Speaker 2: did not want to think about it. Like I said,
Speaker 2: for a long time, it was just like it was
Speaker 2: so out of the realm of you know, what I
Speaker 2: knew and the possibilities that, you know, you almost questioned
Speaker 2: your sanity. But a few years later, once I moved
Speaker 2: out to North Carolina, I decided, you know, I need
Speaker 2: to know, I really need to know what that was.
Speaker 2: And that's when I started studying. I've watched all kinds
Speaker 2: of stuff on it. Always been curious about Michigan. You know,
Speaker 2: why did I see one there? And I did talk
Speaker 2: to a guy that I worked with years ago. He
Speaker 2: was retired military in Vietnam VET and him and I
Speaker 2: were just having a coffee and I mentioned it to
Speaker 2: him and he looked at me real serious, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, he says, my friend and I were deer
Speaker 2: hunting up in Tawis City behind his cemetery up there,
Speaker 2: and he said, we saw one And I said really,
Speaker 2: and he says, yeah. We sat there and watched him
Speaker 2: for like fifteen minutes. I said, no way, and he
Speaker 2: swore by it. So that's what I thought, Well, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe they are a bunch of them up there. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. And have you heard any other encounters
Speaker 1: or experiences from locals in the area or other family members.
Speaker 2: No, my family members have not had any experience as
Speaker 2: far as the locals go. I knew one couple that
Speaker 2: lived in the old school house that my grandmother used
Speaker 2: to teach and they converted into a home and they
Speaker 2: live right on the edge of the forest there, and
Speaker 2: he grew up there and he said he's never seen one.
Speaker 2: He says he's heard stuff that he couldn't explain, but
Speaker 2: he's never seen one. So but that's a huge, huge,
Speaker 2: huge tract of land back in there. And I truly
Speaker 2: believe that if they if they don't want to be seen,
Speaker 2: they're not going to be seen. You know. That's why
Speaker 2: people have such a hard time tracking them down, is
Speaker 2: because they're so loosive. They know how to hide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And how did this encounter change your perception
Speaker 1: of the world around us and biology?
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a lot of things out there
Speaker 2: that we don't recognize or understand. I'm not you know.
Speaker 2: My best guess as far as what this creature is
Speaker 2: is probably a descendant of jug Anipithecus. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've probably heard that before. It's the only thing that
Speaker 2: in my mind makes sense. You know that something came
Speaker 2: across the Bearing Straits thousands of years ago has just
Speaker 2: slowly moved through the through the country. But then again,
Speaker 2: you have them just about every continent in the world.
Speaker 2: They had sightings so and I know the silver Back
Speaker 2: Guerrilla it took them years to prove that it existed too.
Speaker 2: For years people said that was just a myth. But
Speaker 2: I do believe that maybe, and I hate to sound
Speaker 2: like a conspiracy theorist, but I think maybe that if
Speaker 2: the government does know that the creature exists, what's I
Speaker 2: kind of think they do. I think the reason they
Speaker 2: probably have several reasons for not letting us know. My
Speaker 2: biggest theory, and I'm sure you've heard this one too,
Speaker 2: is probably the logging industry. That's a multi billion dollar industry,
Speaker 2: and if they were to acknowledge the existence of this creature,
Speaker 2: it would mean probably shutting down, you know, millions of
Speaker 2: acres to protect the habitat. And I'm sure they don't
Speaker 2: want to do that. They don't have to. I have
Speaker 2: a friend that is a owns his own logging company
Speaker 2: in upstate New York, and I was just talking to
Speaker 2: him one day about it. I said, you know, you
Speaker 2: ever see anything on in wood's like a big foot
Speaker 2: or sasquatch or anything. And he just looked at me
Speaker 2: and he says, well, all I'm going to tell you
Speaker 2: is he says, there's things out in these woods that
Speaker 2: would blow your mind. And he wouldn't. He would not
Speaker 2: confer more deny that. You know, he has other seat
Speaker 2: in sasquatch or believes they're there.
Speaker 1: So no, yeah, for sure, no doubt the government knows
Speaker 1: about the existence of sasquatch. I mean the military. They're
Speaker 1: out there with night vision goggles, they have thermal satellites
Speaker 1: in space, and if a simple bow hunter can discover
Speaker 1: these creatures exist out in the woods, no doubt they
Speaker 1: know about it. They're the owners of national for rist,
Speaker 1: federal land, and all the state for us SO.
Speaker 2: And they even have areas out. Yeah, they have areas
Speaker 2: out in Washington State where you're not even allowed to
Speaker 2: go in. H Yeah, shut off to the public. So
Speaker 2: you know, what's that tell you? Why can't you go
Speaker 2: in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure. And I think that's an excellent theory about
Speaker 1: sasquatch being her descendant of Gigantopithecus, And it could be
Speaker 1: possible Gigantopithecus is a sasquatch and they're just calling it
Speaker 1: a different name because people always ask where's the bones?
Speaker 1: That could be it.
Speaker 2: Well, and they might be smart enough to know not
Speaker 2: to leave them around. And you know, I watched a
Speaker 2: show one time where they took a deer carcass. This
Speaker 2: was a sasquatch show, and they had a fresh killed
Speaker 2: deer carcass and they staked to the ground, you know,
Speaker 2: with wires and everything so it couldn't move, and they
Speaker 2: put a camera next to it, and within two weeks
Speaker 2: that thing was completely gone, I mean bones and everything,
Speaker 2: because of the bugs and the different things in the
Speaker 2: forest that will eat you know, dead flesh.
Speaker 1: So the cassalization process is super rare. And most of
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs we see in museums. That's not really what
Speaker 1: they look like. That's kind of what they constructed by
Speaker 1: the bone fragments that they discovered. And it's the same
Speaker 1: way with Gyganthropithecus. They only have a piece of the
Speaker 1: jawbone and a few teeth and they kind of painted
Speaker 1: the whole picture and all of a sudden they know
Speaker 1: what at a where it slept, and everything about its
Speaker 1: life somehow.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know the thing with the two is
Speaker 2: that they've they've got this thing called EDA now you know,
Speaker 2: the environmental oh DNA, and they have found stuff on
Speaker 2: several different places where they've they've found DNA that's it's
Speaker 2: not human. It's almost human, but it's not chimpanzee or gorilla,
Speaker 2: and they just don't know what it is. Okay, so
Speaker 2: what is it?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That is interesting is that where they take a water
Speaker 1: sample and they can tell the animal that's been in
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, they do that. And they can actually take
Speaker 2: soil samples and other kinds of samples too, of areas
Speaker 2: you know, where they suspect there might be different creatures. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, the proof is kind of out there, and
Speaker 2: I think that doctor Jeff Melvern. He was the one
Speaker 2: that did all the footcasts. I think he just passed
Speaker 2: away recently. I'm not sure. He was talking about the
Speaker 2: dermal ridges and stuff on some of these footcasts, and
Speaker 2: you know, I watched one one time where he brought
Speaker 2: a guy in that was that was his specialty, was
Speaker 2: fingerprints and dermal ridges and stuff, and he said that
Speaker 2: they're not fake. You can't fake that. So that was interesting.
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a proof of their existence too.
Speaker 2: But I guess I get it to unless you see
Speaker 2: when a lot of people aren't going to believe you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely hard to believe. And people who have
Speaker 1: these encounters are blown away and they can't even believe
Speaker 1: they encounter the creature. I mean, it's that unbelievable. It's
Speaker 1: something that will blow your mind if you see it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I appreciate you doing these podcasts with
Speaker 2: people from you know, Michigan. It really helped me a
Speaker 2: lot knowing that I was not the only one that
Speaker 2: had an experience in that particular area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're in North Carolina now, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of bigfoot reports from there. I live in the
Speaker 1: Ozarks here in Missouri. There's a ton of Bigfoot reports.
Speaker 1: So being up there in Michigan by the Canadian border
Speaker 1: in the Great Lakes, no doubt these things. They're up
Speaker 1: there for sure. I mean, there's so much worlds by
Speaker 1: the by in Canada, you're by the border, so I mean,
Speaker 1: if anything, you should be having more experiences than me
Speaker 1: down here in Missouri.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Michigan is a lot of people are
Speaker 2: deceived by you know, how big the state is, and
Speaker 2: you know, like my friends down here, they say, oh,
Speaker 2: that place is a ghetto Detroit and Flint. No it's
Speaker 2: not really. Once you get past that part of the state,
Speaker 2: it's nothing, but you know, forests and wilderness and lakes
Speaker 2: and streams. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what is the Sasquatch? They follow the waterways
Speaker 1: and when you're in Michigan or Minnesota, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of a ton of water there. So that would be
Speaker 1: an ideal place for an elusive creature to exist.
Speaker 2: Right, And I thought about that with that spring thick
Speaker 2: creek that we had running through the property there. We
Speaker 2: were the first house, probably the only house on that
Speaker 2: spring thig creek, and it was probably fifteen feet wide,
Speaker 2: about four feet deep and you could see to the
Speaker 2: bottom loaded with brick trout and a great place for
Speaker 2: cedar trees growing all around it. It was like, you know,
Speaker 2: a great place for something to hunt and fish and
Speaker 2: have fresh water source. I'm pretty sure that was probably
Speaker 2: a big attraction. And probably about a mile and a
Speaker 2: half is the pro flies from there headed east north northeast.
Speaker 2: Was a farm, a huge farm, so they had plenty
Speaker 2: of you know, corn and different stuff out there for
Speaker 2: the cattle deer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it blows my mind that people have been put
Speaker 1: put away, put in prison for hardly no evidence or
Speaker 1: zero evidence at all that they committed a crime. But
Speaker 1: with sasquatch like you were saying earlier that Jeff Meldrum
Speaker 1: had these tracks, they had dermal ridges, and there's all
Speaker 1: the reports out there, so many eyewitnesses seen these things.
Speaker 1: There's been video footage, trailcam footage of them, and just
Speaker 1: all kinds of evidence shown that they do exist. Yet
Speaker 1: the people don't believe. People are so skeptical. I wonder
Speaker 1: why that is.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they just maybe it's the
Speaker 2: fear of the unknown. You know. I probably would have
Speaker 2: been one of those skeptics. Too up to that point.
Speaker 2: In fact, before this happened to me, if you just said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw a big foot by your cabin, I haven't laughed, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, And there was one thing I wanted to mention.
Speaker 2: I went up there several years later after this incident,
Speaker 2: and the cabin had been sitting empty for a few months.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a place we would go. It
Speaker 2: wasn't lived in all the time. We had a breezeway
Speaker 2: that went from the main cabin back to like a
Speaker 2: little guest house, and it was probably seventy eighty feet long.
Speaker 2: And something had broken into the breezeway and just trashed
Speaker 2: the hell out of it. I mean just tore it
Speaker 2: up and went through a screen. And it could have
Speaker 2: been a bear, you know, very well could have been
Speaker 2: that's what everyone said, but you know, after thinking about it,
Speaker 2: it could have been something else.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think that's very possible. Jeff Meldrum
Speaker 1: was on the show Mons Request, and he went to
Speaker 1: an area in Canada and the nearest house or road
Speaker 1: was one hundred miles away, but the property owner was
Speaker 1: claiming that something was breaking into the cabin and they
Speaker 1: had I don't know their version of forest rangers there
Speaker 1: and they said whatever did this was not a bear,
Speaker 1: and they believe it was sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I saw that one is that's
Speaker 2: the one where they put the nailboard outside the door
Speaker 2: when they left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the blood and the chunk of meat,
Speaker 1: and it looked like it was like a giant human
Speaker 1: foot that stepped on that screw. Yeah. The DNA came
Speaker 1: back as unknown and they had chimpanzee DNA. And you're
Speaker 1: in Canada. Why would anything have chimp DNA.
Speaker 2: Especially one hundred miles from the next house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well this place is pretty far out in the
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere too. And like I said, probably some
Speaker 2: of your listeners are familiar with OSKTA, and the area
Speaker 2: I went to is about fourteen miles northwest out in
Speaker 2: that area. And like I said, I don't want to
Speaker 2: say the road or the address because the guy that
Speaker 2: he bought the place ROMs and O two and he
Speaker 2: lives there full time, and you know, I know he
Speaker 2: bought it just to be alone and be at peace
Speaker 2: out there. So I don't want to have a bunch
Speaker 2: of people going out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's completely understandable. And it's terrifying to think that
Speaker 1: possibly a sasquatch was either in your house or in
Speaker 1: the chicken coop, or was getting in your barn. I
Speaker 1: get a lot of reports like that where people claim
Speaker 1: they get inside their buildings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you there's been many, many times
Speaker 2: over the years, even before this happened, and where I've
Speaker 2: been up there, and you know, the whole place it
Speaker 2: says a cedar cabinet was beautiful. I had windows all
Speaker 2: the way around it. I can't tell you how many
Speaker 2: times I felt like I was being watched, you know,
Speaker 2: just get this creepy feeling that Wow, you know something's
Speaker 2: watching me. And I don't know that they were. It
Speaker 2: just it was a feeling I had, Especially after hearing
Speaker 2: the screen that time and seeing it on the road,
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, maybe they are watching.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're always watching for sure. Do you ever
Speaker 1: get out in the woods there in North Carolina to
Speaker 1: look for any evidence or anything.
Speaker 2: Well, the woods here are a lot different than they
Speaker 2: are up north. I can tell you that I've had
Speaker 2: criticism for my friends in Michigan because the guys down
Speaker 2: here use dogs to hunt deer, and the reason being
Speaker 2: it's not because they're lazier. They don't. You know, the
Speaker 2: woods here are so dense, you know, there's no way
Speaker 2: to walk through them. That's why they start a dog
Speaker 2: and never flush the deer out to them. It's very
Speaker 2: dense forth here. No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with thickets you can't see two feet in front
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 2: No. I think that a lot of the sites that
Speaker 2: a lot of the sightings that they've had in this
Speaker 2: state are in the Hurry. I guess you would call.
Speaker 1: It you you w h National Forest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, u AI National for us, which is about I'm
Speaker 2: guessing about two and a half hours west where I'm at,
Speaker 2: and I have I've got one friend that is willing
Speaker 2: to go out there camping with me. So I think
Speaker 2: we're going to one of these days when the weather
Speaker 2: cools down a little bit, maybe November or something, will
Speaker 2: head out there and spend a weekend just you know,
Speaker 2: I'll see what happens. If anything, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: walk around pounding our trees or scream and I just
Speaker 2: want to see if, if anything, what comes to check
Speaker 2: us out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. Keep an eye out for tree structures.
Speaker 1: Those things are all over the Carolinas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess up in the mountains, they've been
Speaker 2: around for a long long time. It's just kind of
Speaker 2: like like the Indians, you know, the people in the
Speaker 2: mountains here there just say yeah, you know, that's not
Speaker 2: even if they exist, it's that they do.
Speaker 1: Is there any other experiences that you've had throughout your life,
Speaker 1: anything strange, paranormal and explained, any anything strange that you
Speaker 1: feel might be connected to the phenomenon, whether it's tied
Speaker 1: in with the sasquatch, whether it's another cryptid or even
Speaker 1: on the WU side. Can you recall anything strange?
Speaker 2: Not really, you know, I'm not a big believer in
Speaker 2: the in uh the UFO thing. I mean, it could be,
Speaker 2: but I'm not a big believer in that. I tend
Speaker 2: to believe that it's just a regular animal, you know,
Speaker 2: a dog man too. I have a hard time with
Speaker 2: that one in the in the what's another one starts
Speaker 2: to w h.
Speaker 1: When to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wind to go? I have a you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I have a hard time with some of
Speaker 2: that stuff. So, you know, really, as far as paranormal stuff, now,
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people. Of course. My my father,
Speaker 2: uh he lived about five miles from here. This is
Speaker 2: an old Civil War battleground area, and he he claims
Speaker 2: to have seen some stuff. He was a world were
Speaker 2: two veterans, so those guys, you know, they don't usually
Speaker 2: bs about stuff. But he was also in his eighties
Speaker 2: at the time, so I just kind of and there
Speaker 2: was no way for me to verify anything of anything
Speaker 2: that he said he saw.
Speaker 1: So what did he say he saw exactly?
Speaker 2: M hm. Well, they had a condominium that was built
Speaker 2: on top of an old plantation that was there back
Speaker 2: during the war, and the Union soldiers were camped there
Speaker 2: for quite some time before they invaded Fort Fisher, which
Speaker 2: was the last open port of the Civil War. And
Speaker 2: he claims to have seen a woman in a woman
Speaker 2: in uh that era clothing two or three times, and
Speaker 2: he saw a great, big black guy too, uh dressed
Speaker 2: in like really nice suit. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: and I did do some research for him. There was
Speaker 2: a plantation there and a lot of them were buried
Speaker 2: on that property. So as far as I know, that
Speaker 2: kindle could have been built on top of the cemetery.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's very possible. All right, Dan,
Speaker 1: you did an excellent job describing your experiences. Do you
Speaker 1: have any questions for me or anything else that you'd
Speaker 1: like to mention for the viewers.
Speaker 2: Well, keep an open mind, that's all I can say.
Speaker 2: You know, don't be afraid to share your stories because
Speaker 2: the more you share them, the better you feel it feel.
Speaker 2: And I know that everybody that's that shared their story
Speaker 2: has faced some ridicule and just you know, suck it up.
Speaker 2: You know what you saw. I know what I saw,
Speaker 2: so and I would ask you that you had an
Speaker 2: experience as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of experiences.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well you must know where to go there, how
Speaker 2: to find them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that or they find me. It's hard to say, really,
Speaker 1: but they are out there. They do exist, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate the message for the people who don't believe and
Speaker 1: people that have encountered these things.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, they are true. They are truly there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, Dan, I'm gonna let you go for now,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time today. If you encounter anything
Speaker 1: in the future, feel free to reach out.
Speaker 2: Okay. I appreciate your man.
Speaker 1: All right, you take care of yourself, all right. I
Speaker 1: want to thank Dan for having the courage to come
Speaker 1: on the channel. And share his experiences with everyone. Whether
Speaker 1: you've had similar encounters yourself, or you're simply interested in
Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding these forests, stories like Dan's remind us
Speaker 1: just how much of the wilderness remains unexplained. If you've
Speaker 1: encountered something unusual while hunting, fishing, camping, or hiking anywhere
Speaker 1: in North America and would like to share your story,
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. You can reach me
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