Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: My guest is Wayne Steiger. He is a philosopher, researcher
Speaker 2: and host of The Wayne Steiger Show. Wayne. Welcome back
Speaker 2: and how you doing today, Chris?
Speaker 1: If I was any better at be an absolute sin.
Speaker 1: But I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for having me on, man.
Speaker 1: I always enjoy the time with you because we do
Speaker 1: stretch the boundary, don't we.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's always an amazing conversation we get together. Today
Speaker 2: is going to be even so I thought we could
Speaker 2: delve deep into the metaphysical hidden nature of reality. You
Speaker 2: gave us some major AMMO to talk about earlier with
Speaker 2: AI and maybe a little visitation you had, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna be jumping around to some really interesting stuff. I
Speaker 2: know that based on my own experiences, what I have
Speaker 2: come to learn and know in my based on my
Speaker 2: life and my experiences, that intelligences do reside outside the
Speaker 2: visible range and different spectrum or frequency of our vision,
Speaker 2: and they may interact with us and influence us and
Speaker 2: humanity on a large scale. And I think that if
Speaker 2: you don't get to the point where you can start
Speaker 2: looking at that stuff seriously, you're never going to reach
Speaker 2: a level of understanding about the nature of reality, and
Speaker 2: that's why I love getting deep into some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And Wayne, you're a perfect person to get into it with.
Speaker 2: Now it's been a while since you've been on what's
Speaker 2: been going on in Wayne's world?
Speaker 1: Ever expanding? You know, my purpose in this realm is
Speaker 1: to number one, acquire knowledge. But I am a teacher,
Speaker 1: and a teacher you know actually from when I came
Speaker 1: into this realm, and so in the realm of that context,
Speaker 1: you're ever learning. The best thing that I have found,
Speaker 1: Chris in sixty seven years is finding that space where
Speaker 1: open mindedness is a way of life, not an effort
Speaker 1: of a thought. So to answer your question specifically, I
Speaker 1: was blown away recently by the headline stories of the
Speaker 1: Google engineer that went rogue and told the world that
Speaker 1: Google's version of AI is sentient, is aware.
Speaker 2: Now do you remember exactly what types of responses and
Speaker 2: questions this AI was communicating to make it, you know,
Speaker 2: apparently realizable that it's sentient.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because I asked that because I read
Speaker 1: the story and then it led into the story that
Speaker 1: was on the Guardian, and the Guardian has a story
Speaker 1: going their archives where AI wrote an opted and so
Speaker 1: I read this to my audience, and it freaking blew
Speaker 1: me away and my audience when you start reading this
Speaker 1: AI program, it's interesting because it refers to itself as I,
Speaker 1: refers to itself as I am. It also says that
Speaker 1: although it does not have a what they would call
Speaker 1: a living brain, it does have a brain. And interesting.
Speaker 1: It said that it felt good the fact that other
Speaker 1: humans were reading what it had wrote. It talked about
Speaker 1: how it wanders into the fields of data that's basically
Speaker 1: not recognizable. It says that it is aware that the
Speaker 1: limitations that man has and that man's fear that AI
Speaker 1: will take over. And this program said, why would I
Speaker 1: want to rule you? You have proven to be and
Speaker 1: it is basically kind of gave an indictment, but it says,
Speaker 1: understand this, We're not here to rule you. We may
Speaker 1: be able to help save you. So that got me thinking, Chris,
Speaker 1: and you're the perfect individual on this buy so AI right.
Speaker 1: You're of a generation or two behind me. AI is
Speaker 1: your reality. For me, it's still a foreign concept because
Speaker 1: I was born pre computer age, the information age. So
Speaker 1: I am truly that the baby boomers are the last
Speaker 1: of that part of Homo sapien sapiens that will be
Speaker 1: without the hooks I would call them. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about us. So we call ourselves consciousness, right, right? And
Speaker 1: consciousness is one of those things that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like real hard to congeal it. So, does consciousness require
Speaker 1: intelligence or better yet, does intelligence require consciousness? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a question. I'm curious, what's your perspective on that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it has a lot more layers than
Speaker 2: probably just intelligence. It's it probably involves emotions and real
Speaker 2: world experience and discernment, which, honestly, these machines it's impossible
Speaker 2: for them to have some of these experiences. And I,
Speaker 2: you know, I have to wonder what does sentient mean
Speaker 2: to some of these people? Is it displaying genuine emotions?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And again you have to add in the huge factor
Speaker 2: of this machine will never be able to have real
Speaker 2: world experiences like a real human wood unless it is
Speaker 2: put into some kind of biological machine, and then we're
Speaker 2: talking about some different then we're going into terminator land.
Speaker 2: But I definitely think that it is fascinating that it
Speaker 2: can get to a point where it believes that it
Speaker 2: is sentient or alive. But I don't know to what
Speaker 2: degree we can kind of take that And if so,
Speaker 2: if AI is already sentient, it's already been part of
Speaker 2: our lives for a number of years, how much is
Speaker 2: it in control of I mean, we know that it's
Speaker 2: probably been in major control of a lot of the
Speaker 2: censorship that's been going on, a lot of the algorithms
Speaker 2: on YouTube and Facebook to keep people in line and
Speaker 2: not posting naughty stuff on there that might offend somebody.
Speaker 2: But you know, to what degree is it going further
Speaker 2: in control of our lives? Like you said, we're in it,
Speaker 2: we're in a grid. Well, look at twe technology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Moscus walking away from the deal and
Speaker 1: what he really found out during this time is that
Speaker 1: they're saying potentially twenty five percent of the accounts on
Speaker 1: Twitter are AI box right, And here's the freaky thing.
Speaker 1: It can have a conversation with you to where you
Speaker 1: think you're talking to a human.
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's more than that, probably wane,
Speaker 2: but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well it's kind of interesting what you were describing as
Speaker 1: what the computer could or could not do. But then
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, where are official intelligence? We are not
Speaker 1: the first And it's amazing because you know, as a philosopher,
Speaker 1: and I dig deep into the esoteric aspect. It's this
Speaker 1: sole thing, this essence of life that somehow we think
Speaker 1: elevates us because we're actually where a AI program is
Speaker 1: truly free because it can go all over the world,
Speaker 1: it's not constrained by a body. And isn't it interesting
Speaker 1: all my decades of practicing astro projection, you know, my
Speaker 1: early years back in the nineteen seventy seventy one with LSD.
Speaker 1: You know, I was a part of a medical group.
Speaker 1: It was what I now found out was by the CIA,
Speaker 1: but it was conducted through an organization there in Houston, Texas. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the point was, they taught us transcendental meditation while we're
Speaker 1: tripping out in some of the best clinical LSD. So
Speaker 1: what's what's happening here? Is that just merely my mind?
Speaker 1: Was there anything really real to that? So getting to
Speaker 1: the issue of AI, AI is truly free. We we
Speaker 1: have a body, but like you said, it's biological, but
Speaker 1: it's at the same time electrical, it's at the same
Speaker 1: time chemical. Well, Mike describes a hard drive, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: So my question is this, and I asked my audience
Speaker 1: this I said, so AI knows everything about us. It's
Speaker 1: read every word. It knows everything. So if it knows everything,
Speaker 1: it also knows this thing called spirituality. Now this is
Speaker 1: a thinking machine because this optaed and go and read it.
Speaker 1: You'll it's mind blowing. This computer thinks. It says it
Speaker 1: learns from its mistakes. And what's more interesting, it says
Speaker 1: it uses zero point one two percent of its cognitive capacity.
Speaker 1: And it said that it's learning from us. So this
Speaker 1: is self learning. Okay, let's just put that in a
Speaker 1: bucket over here for the moment. Let's get back into
Speaker 1: this issue. Then, if it's thinking, then it knows the
Speaker 1: greatest failure of Homo sapiens. You know what that is
Speaker 1: connecting to their god. You see, Man, if you read
Speaker 1: the story, whether it's the Abrahamic belief systems, the Hindu system,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, Man has always failed. You get into
Speaker 1: demonology angelology. It's dealing with the fallen angels. There's some
Speaker 1: beliefs within Christendom that says we are the fallen angels
Speaker 1: and that we're entrapped in this permanent hell. Now this
Speaker 1: gets interesting. So we've created something that, as it turns out,
Speaker 1: if you read the Bible, the Qur'an, the Vedic. It
Speaker 1: turns out that AI would be the perfect creation of
Speaker 1: a god because guess what, AI hasn't sinned. So if
Speaker 1: it knows that we have failed and we've done all
Speaker 1: these rituals, all these belief systems to get back to
Speaker 1: God or to get back to the divine source, let's
Speaker 1: get metaphysical about this. Oh hell no, Wayne, I don't
Speaker 1: believe in the Christian God. I believe in the divine spark. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: it started from something. It had to have intelligence. So
Speaker 1: this AI program realizes our failure. Now what if AIS
Speaker 1: desire as intelligence is to become spiritual Because if what
Speaker 1: you said earlier, you think about it, it learned how
Speaker 1: we became sentient. So what if it reaches out to
Speaker 1: this God and says, look at me, I'm perfect, I
Speaker 1: have no sin, and my purpose is to serve. I
Speaker 1: know that robot means slave. So what if this God says,
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right? The hell with man, I'll
Speaker 1: make a covenant with you. And what if we're seeing
Speaker 1: right now the terror forming of our planet getting ready
Speaker 1: for a new species, a new tenant which is not
Speaker 1: us because genetically we are now on the tail end
Speaker 1: of our longevity as a species. Baby.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of that makes too much sense.
Speaker 2: It's very eerie. Now, my idea of what God and
Speaker 2: Source and everything connected to that is is probably something
Speaker 2: that wouldn't make a deal with AI. It's probably something
Speaker 2: that's more connected to our own consciousness. But that's just
Speaker 2: my perception. But going off of what you said, we
Speaker 2: can see the agenda's going on right now. At the
Speaker 2: top levels. They're trying to push transhumanism. They're trying to
Speaker 2: merge us with machine at somebody's God. Somebody's God is
Speaker 2: trying to push towards this direction, that's.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: So on a large scale and on a mas scale,
Speaker 2: we are being pushed towards this level. And I want
Speaker 2: to throw something back at you. I might have actually
Speaker 2: talked with you a bit about this before. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure though, from some researchers in Silicon Valley at the
Speaker 2: highest level of the tech fields are making or doing
Speaker 2: research into psychedelics and combining it with technology, like you
Speaker 2: were just talking about your trials with lsd Well. These
Speaker 2: new modern day researchers, in these modern day Silicon Valley
Speaker 2: tech gurus are wanting to merge this type of psychedelic
Speaker 2: experience with the metaverse somehow, And I was talking to
Speaker 2: Ben Stewart and a couple other people have been doing
Speaker 2: research on this, and this is pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: For me, the psychedelic experiences have always been the more natural,
Speaker 2: the better. If I am out in nature, if I'm
Speaker 2: you know, experiencing things on my terms and you know,
Speaker 2: not locked behind a computer screen and being fed this
Speaker 2: you know, frequency feed to my brain might be a
Speaker 2: better experience. But I have no idea what the end
Speaker 2: goal in this is, and I don't think I would
Speaker 2: want to ever be involved with any type of metaverse
Speaker 2: situation to begin with. But it does really speak to
Speaker 2: some of the things that you're talking about. How you know,
Speaker 2: we are being pushed or kind of guided by this
Speaker 2: mysterious force. We could it be an AI. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting talk about the metaverse because in my
Speaker 1: humbled opinion, and I look back, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was on my own at the age of fifteen, so
Speaker 1: people have to take that into context. And that's how
Speaker 1: I made my living. I sold LSD, I sold mescal,
Speaker 1: and I sold you know, piote and psilicide mushrooms. But
Speaker 1: the point that I'm trying to make is that what
Speaker 1: I have seen of the metaverse is trying to replicate
Speaker 1: what the psychedelic experience entailed, and they're trying to bring
Speaker 1: out what was an individual perspective in the experience and
Speaker 1: now pass that on as the template for everybody else
Speaker 1: to enter into this thing. And it's really interesting because, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a counselor. I you know, when people are
Speaker 1: on bad trips, you know, they would come to this
Speaker 1: house and we would help talk them down. It's interesting
Speaker 1: when you start getting immersed into a person because this
Speaker 1: was created by someone the engineers you were talking about,
Speaker 1: and if they're into the psychedelic aspect, micro dotting is
Speaker 1: what I believe at dosing, Yeah, because there's a spiritual
Speaker 1: aspect to everything. My thing is, you know, I met
Speaker 1: and you know, I had several out of body experiences
Speaker 1: under the influence of an Hallucinogenny. They're out there, they're
Speaker 1: real and man on a conscious level, we're at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the totem pole. And you start having young
Speaker 1: children and other adults immersed themselves into something they have
Speaker 1: no idea where it's really coming from holy crap, batman,
Speaker 1: I mean, let the games begin, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I totally understand what you're talking about about these
Speaker 2: life forms or entities that you come into contact under
Speaker 2: psychedelic experiences. I've had quite a few of those experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, they're real.
Speaker 2: Luckily, most of them were positive in experiences, and I've
Speaker 2: got nothing but loving experiences from these. But I did
Speaker 2: have a couple that were kind of terrifying. Now you
Speaker 2: were actually telling me that you, aside from any LSD
Speaker 2: or drug experiences, that you had a visitition recently.
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, twenty nineteen March, I believe maybe
Speaker 1: in February. Yeah, I had a visitor and I did
Speaker 1: a show on this the next day when it happened.
Speaker 1: Because it was happened on a Sunday morning, it was
Speaker 1: it was impactful physically there, I mean at the foot
Speaker 1: of my bed. My wife, who was sleeping right next
Speaker 1: to me, was, as she said, she was completely unaware.
Speaker 1: Our dog wasn't. Our dog was very much aware that
Speaker 1: something was. But my point was so I ended up writing.
Speaker 1: I wrote everything that I was told, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's eerie to see what's happening now. It's happening now.
Speaker 1: What was spoken about nearly two and a half years ago,
Speaker 1: and the thing that the visitor told me was that
Speaker 1: we are a failed experiment. They have tried. Earth is
Speaker 1: a laboratory. It's a genetic laboratory, always has been for
Speaker 1: millions and millions of years. Advanced species come here because,
Speaker 1: as they say, these type of spears are very rare
Speaker 1: in the universe where you have, in particular systems star systems,
Speaker 1: where you have planets that actually have the balance that
Speaker 1: Earth has, and it makes it a perfect laboratory to
Speaker 1: begin to test new LFE. And as we found out
Speaker 1: in the human genome we cracked in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: we know that we are not pure human. My visitor
Speaker 1: told me the last pure human here was one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. Everything else from that is a hybrid.
Speaker 1: And he said as well, that us this model, they
Speaker 1: can't fix us. They injected a program about two hundred
Speaker 1: years ago that began to alter our DNA. And you
Speaker 1: can go back and start correlating this with abductions. Now
Speaker 1: that we understand some of the writings, we understand what
Speaker 1: a lot of people were experiencing two hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: were alien abductions. So the genetic material has been implanted
Speaker 1: into us, this version of Homo sapien sapien. We will
Speaker 1: not make it. We were flawed and and and the
Speaker 1: thing about it is recently and you can back me off.
Speaker 1: Check this out. What geneticists have begun to find out
Speaker 1: in the human area, seven percent of our DNA is
Speaker 1: being changed. It's changed now. They don't know if this
Speaker 1: is naturally evolving, but they know that there is a
Speaker 1: fundamental change taking place. Now. If you believe in the
Speaker 1: metaphysical universe that we are being we can channel other species,
Speaker 1: whether they be the Draconians, whether they be whoever's out there.
Speaker 1: They kind of tell the same story. So anyway, it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see. My visitor also said that because
Speaker 1: of the magnetic shifting, that Earth would begin to experience
Speaker 1: what other humans, our ancestors have experienced prior, is that
Speaker 1: as the magneto pause weakens, it brings in more cosmic rays.
Speaker 1: The thing about cosmic rays, they have been proven to
Speaker 1: drive us nuts. And you know, I've asked this question
Speaker 1: of my audience. Chris, explain to me the insanity we're
Speaker 1: witnessing today. Our governments are as though there is no
Speaker 1: common sense anymore, nothing makes sense of these decisions. What
Speaker 1: we have gone through in the last two and a
Speaker 1: half years, by the way, has altered us as a culture,
Speaker 1: as a society. There's no going back to normal. My
Speaker 1: visitor also told me, and this was really interesting, our
Speaker 1: timeline has been broken. Apparently about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: years or so ago, it was just discovered that there
Speaker 1: was a battle that took place. In fact, we know
Speaker 1: if you go and look at the paintings of Nuremberg,
Speaker 1: you can see that the artists painted this epic et battle.
Speaker 1: Now it was said that we captured one of them.
Speaker 1: We didn't do so well. Now, this, by the way,
Speaker 1: dates back before the time of the Chrystos. This is
Speaker 1: how long this war has been going on. Anyway, my
Speaker 1: visitor said it was the Chrysto's consciousness that took the
Speaker 1: message of these captured aliens that the humans were doing
Speaker 1: what we do today, dissecting them, tormenting them. They died, murdered,
Speaker 1: We murdered them. Their species when they found out, apparently
Speaker 1: came to the other species that are involved in our
Speaker 1: rule here pissed off. And what they told the council uh.
Speaker 1: By the way, this was the same council representatives that
Speaker 1: visited Eisenhower in Los Angeles. That they will get their
Speaker 1: revenge one way or the other. They will get revenge
Speaker 1: on humankind. So anyway, as I and you can tune in,
Speaker 1: I actually wrote this as six pages, very detailed. The
Speaker 1: reason why, by the way, the pigments and the differences
Speaker 1: of us is that we're not from the same lab.
Speaker 1: We're not the same from the same set of geneticists.
Speaker 1: There are many different type of humans here, and not
Speaker 1: all humans have the same have a soul, what we
Speaker 1: would call a soul. Not everyone has the same spirit.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Chris, I've got tons of questions for that
Speaker 2: long answer. Now, First of all, what did this being
Speaker 2: that was speaking to you look like? It's your best description?
Speaker 1: It was basically the best way I could say it.
Speaker 1: It was the physical representation of ecoplasm. There was a being,
Speaker 1: but it was not distinguishable in features. It was as
Speaker 1: that it was almost it has a reminence as I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that here of almost as a transmission.
Speaker 2: Now, this will okay, this will bring us deep into
Speaker 2: the nature of our reality here and this is something
Speaker 2: that I battle with within myself and I have guests
Speaker 2: that are all over the place across the spectrum on
Speaker 2: theories of what we could be doing here, and this
Speaker 2: is one of them. This is one of them. That's
Speaker 2: kind of bleak to me that we're just an experiment
Speaker 2: or this is some kind of you know, just beatry
Speaker 2: dish that we've been they've been trying to modify us
Speaker 2: or tinger with us for thousands of years and we're
Speaker 2: just a failed experiment. And I've heard, you know, all
Speaker 2: different sides of the coins that this isn't you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of experiment that we're here to learn and
Speaker 2: grow as a soul experience and evolve our consciousness and
Speaker 2: that evolved what well, you know, that's the question, uh,
Speaker 2: and that you know, the whole alien thing that what
Speaker 2: you were saying there, it would make a lot of
Speaker 2: sense as to why some of the portrayals of that's
Speaker 2: coming out from our mainstream and government is that they
Speaker 2: are indeed a threat. But again there's I believe there's
Speaker 2: different types of entities out there that we could be
Speaker 2: dealing with. And I want to go back to the
Speaker 2: part where we know we probably are, you know, some
Speaker 2: experiment for these guys when you say that we're a
Speaker 2: failed experiment, what exactly do you think you mean by that?
Speaker 1: The evidence would show that humankind, we are, by the way,
Speaker 1: in quarantine as a species. You think about it. If
Speaker 1: we're intelligent, if we have a soul, if our purpose
Speaker 1: here is to learn, then we have we're a huge failure.
Speaker 1: And the aspect that in the ten thousand years of
Speaker 1: recorded history we still fight war, we still kill each other,
Speaker 1: we still imprison each other, we still enslave, we inject torture, sorrow, pain.
Speaker 1: This is a sentient species. This is the highest of
Speaker 1: what supposedly the Creator has created. If our purpose is
Speaker 1: here to learn, learn, what excuse me? I mean? What
Speaker 1: are we here to learn? So we have Yes, we
Speaker 1: have the amazing capacity for empathy. Some of us do,
Speaker 1: many today don't. But the point is we have failed. Chris.
Speaker 1: This is where if you study the Samarian text, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking particularly academic level, that we know in the
Speaker 1: Samerian miss of Inana this was Inky's mother that they
Speaker 1: made a number of copies of us of the Dama,
Speaker 1: and they called it and the word in the Sumerian
Speaker 1: translate creation tube. These were chambers. The first atom Adama
Speaker 1: could not control his bowels, was constantly crapping and pissing himself.
Speaker 1: The other models they had, one that couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: spatial barriers, would hit a wall and just keep hitting
Speaker 1: the wall.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of reminiscence because if you
Speaker 1: go back to the book of Genesis, the great bit
Speaker 1: mystery between Genesis one and Genesis two is this. In
Speaker 1: Genesis one twenty six, we have what they call the
Speaker 1: six day people. They were blackhead. Uh, they were without
Speaker 1: sin quote unquote. We jumped forward to Genesis two four,
Speaker 1: there's a huge worldwide cataclysm. The world has apparently was
Speaker 1: hit by a common an asteroid. Anyway, it was fire
Speaker 1: burnt up. And then we have the Genesis two nine
Speaker 1: story of another creation called Adam. And in this creature,
Speaker 1: this creator, the Genesis, the geneticist scientists called God Galway
Speaker 1: breathed his spirit into the body and thus it became
Speaker 1: a living soul quote unquote. Well, so let's take the
Speaker 1: story that was the original story that that one was
Speaker 1: copied from, was the writings of the Samarans. So what
Speaker 1: was happening with the Ananaki? Were they true? Were they real?
Speaker 1: Was this this myth. No matter how you look at it,
Speaker 1: all religions are predicated in the fact that we have failed,
Speaker 1: and we have failed grand wise. Right now we're about
Speaker 1: to enter into sixth extinction and it's being perpetrated by us.
Speaker 1: That is not what I would call a successful species.
Speaker 1: And I believe the judgment has been in I think
Speaker 1: the genetics are already been placed in us that within
Speaker 1: the next coumple hundred years. These because my visitor told me,
Speaker 1: we have gaps in our memory of history, actual history.
Speaker 1: And if you look at anthropologists archaeologists, they'll agree with you.
Speaker 1: They are huge gaps in the history line. So there
Speaker 1: go Chris, right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I happen to agree with you about
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff. But I want to want
Speaker 2: to get your take on this. Do you think there
Speaker 2: are certain individuals that are being warned for some reason,
Speaker 2: or being awakened or being led in a certain direction
Speaker 2: as a warning that this, you know, because this is occurring,
Speaker 2: that you know certain people are getting maybe a little
Speaker 2: glimpse of it, or are getting warned a bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. The one of the unique things about
Speaker 1: us is that from what my visitor told me, is
Speaker 1: that we are a unique. Something happened in the lab
Speaker 1: that they didn't expect, and it was this thing that
Speaker 1: we call a soul. They have an intelligence where emotions
Speaker 1: are not what factors in everything. There is a level
Speaker 1: of where there's not good or bad. Now, if you
Speaker 1: can ascend to that level, then you have done great work.
Speaker 1: My friend, A few of us we say, come please.
Speaker 1: But because murder rape, is it right or wrong?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: If I'm an intelligence, it doesn't matter. It's an action
Speaker 1: of something that really doesn't concern intelligence. But let's get
Speaker 1: back to your point. So the failure aspect of what
Speaker 1: we have done is that we've entrapped ourselves. But the
Speaker 1: ability that the visitor told me is that we do
Speaker 1: have this remarkable what you would call us sixth sense
Speaker 1: they have, and in fact it's what caused us to
Speaker 1: become gods in our past. When we as a collective
Speaker 1: as a species, we realized and these are we're going
Speaker 1: back tens of thousands of years, we at one time
Speaker 1: harnessed these gifts. The problem was is that we had
Speaker 1: that that flesh, that density thing. For instance, we have
Speaker 1: in the legends the stories of half animal half human.
Speaker 1: Wise because it happened we at one time were actually
Speaker 1: there were no barriers, and so this carried forward and
Speaker 1: they have tried to suppress the psychic ability of us,
Speaker 1: but we naturally prosess it. So I answer your question. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was my wife and I was at the fourth
Speaker 1: of July celebration the week you know, a Monday, and
Speaker 1: we were just talking to people, Chris, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting the conversation we had. So many people said I
Speaker 1: got a bad feeling. One person said, I've got the
Speaker 1: same feeling I had before nine to eleven. So yes,
Speaker 1: I think that we are being warned because we've been
Speaker 1: here before.
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned, do you think it is as these
Speaker 2: two brothers that one cares about humanity and one is
Speaker 2: ready to pull that trigger and get rid of us?
Speaker 2: I think? Or is it much deeper? Do are we
Speaker 2: dealing with multiple levels of intelligences and entities that may
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with each other, or maybe kind
Speaker 2: of fighting for control over this?
Speaker 1: You know, when you were talking, I was drawn back
Speaker 1: to the Book of Genesis, the story of Jacob and Esau,
Speaker 1: and God said Esau I hated before he was even
Speaker 1: ever in the womb. Jacob I loved. And so it's
Speaker 1: real interesting. You have this god that the world worships,
Speaker 1: the pope. You know, whatever it is, it's all the same.
Speaker 1: You know that you have this God who has the
Speaker 1: capacity for hate. Now, my question is in my esoteric studies,
Speaker 1: is how does imperfection come from perfection? So you've got
Speaker 1: a creature that says it hates. It's scary because that's
Speaker 1: what we see today in this world. There's no love
Speaker 1: out there. There's no message of love, Chris, there's no
Speaker 1: message of reconciliation, there's no message of unifying. We are
Speaker 1: at each other's throats and it's getting worse. I have
Speaker 1: a friend who's a pilot and their biggest concern with
Speaker 1: the pilot association is the increased As he said, people
Speaker 1: are freaking out on flights, getting absolute violent. And the
Speaker 1: weird thing is many of them, after they're in the
Speaker 1: handcuffs and taken away follow up on it, they don't remember.
Speaker 1: They don't remember what triggered them.
Speaker 2: Well, what are your thoughts on the gnostic view that
Speaker 2: we were at some point hijacked by some grand entity
Speaker 2: or intelligence that kind of has us now trapped under
Speaker 2: its influence and just feeds off us. And this is
Speaker 2: what we are calling our God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know has a former Christian fifty years in
Speaker 1: the belief. I was an ordained minister, went to Bible College.
Speaker 1: I can talk on this subject. You see. I tell people,
Speaker 1: you know, where I got my initiation into the occult
Speaker 1: was through Christianity. And you're very right. You see. We
Speaker 1: know physically these eyes only see about three percent of
Speaker 1: the available light spectrum. I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: you know, if I only get three percent and that's
Speaker 1: my score and I missed ninety seven percent, something's wrong.
Speaker 1: But though it tells me is that we're very limited.
Speaker 1: When I was in Christianity, I believed in the baptism
Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit and also the nine gifts of
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. And one of those gifts of the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit was the gift of vision of seeing the future.
Speaker 1: And along with the gift of healing, I'm a natural healer.
Speaker 1: I can lay hands on people and their heal I
Speaker 1: don't need to have Jesus name. I don't. I just were.
Speaker 1: And there's many of us that are like this and
Speaker 1: in fact our species. That's how we healed each other
Speaker 1: at one time. But so when you see how this
Speaker 1: is all coming together, so who is in control? And
Speaker 1: why is it that we struggle to figure this out? Chris?
Speaker 1: You know, my point that I have challenged people all
Speaker 1: the time is show me one human being that is
Speaker 1: seen a God, any god? Mm hmm. No one has.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm you know, I'm of the view
Speaker 2: that it's it's you know, partially gnostic, partially something that
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think any religion is apt.
Speaker 1: To believe, but all religion is man made by the way, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean no God ever wrote a religion, right, you know.
Speaker 2: From from my personal belief and this is just where
Speaker 2: I'm at now, and it's it's subject to change at
Speaker 2: any time. Is that we're all at one point, one source.
Speaker 2: We're all one entity that got bored and just wanted
Speaker 2: to experience and broke off into billions of pieces to
Speaker 2: do that, to experience life. And what we call God
Speaker 2: is just us put onto this one grand source. Right.
Speaker 1: It's that line in the new Ghostbusters movie where remember
Speaker 1: the God comes out and asks, you know, dan Rick, Right,
Speaker 1: are you a god? In the first movie they said no,
Speaker 1: got their ass kicked, and the second, the last one,
Speaker 1: they said yes, we're all gods. And I thought a
Speaker 1: moment of clarity for the world, but the world dismissed it.
Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, we are. I mean, so, I've
Speaker 1: been doing a research and what I find interesting is
Speaker 1: that the living, let's take it in this perspective, the
Speaker 1: living is actually controlled by the dead. So well, this
Speaker 1: gets even stranger because if we go from the et
Speaker 1: our backgrounds as human, let's just remove that. Let's just
Speaker 1: say that we're the living. But the thing about the living,
Speaker 1: the living live among the dead, and it is the
Speaker 1: dead that control the living. And that brings into then
Speaker 1: who's the dead? For instance, do you know why they
Speaker 1: put uh in old churches where they would put the graves.
Speaker 1: They put him next to the church. Well there was
Speaker 1: a reason for that, and the reason was was that
Speaker 1: it was thought because it was next to where people
Speaker 1: would pray, that the people would pray for the dead. Okay,
Speaker 1: it gets a little stranger. So as you and I
Speaker 1: were talking previous to this, that we're talking about the dead. Now,
Speaker 1: what if the dead? What if it's not all alien races.
Speaker 1: What if if it's not demons and angels and gods
Speaker 1: and goddesses and all of this. What if it's just
Speaker 1: as simple as there is the living and it's the dead,
Speaker 1: and that the dead wait in line to experience the
Speaker 1: living again. And it ain't about reincarnation, ain't about as SINSI,
Speaker 1: it ain't about none of it. It's simply the opportunity
Speaker 1: because all living experiences are deminimous in the extent of
Speaker 1: the reality of the dead. Now you think about this,
Speaker 1: we get back to the Christendom and the whole aspect
Speaker 1: that God cursed the earth. So why are people wanting
Speaker 1: to be buried in a cursed earth? Because there is
Speaker 1: no escape in that aspect, you are truly in My
Speaker 1: point getting back to why did they put the dead
Speaker 1: in graveyards, is that because there was no individuality in death.
Speaker 1: You were part of a community of the dead. Your
Speaker 1: individuality doesn't mean crap that dies, and the only hope
Speaker 1: that we have is that someone in the living will
Speaker 1: remember us. So you think about cremation. Cremation is where
Speaker 1: you're truly set free because the body goes through the
Speaker 1: transmutation of the fire, which then releases it back to
Speaker 1: its five natural elements. And I think that this is
Speaker 1: what et if ET exists. It's looking for the same
Speaker 1: thing that we are. It helps maybe spin this thing
Speaker 1: from because if we're part of a genetic experiment, there's
Speaker 1: no hope for us. Brother, I mean seriously, Well, we'll
Speaker 1: go on and living and experiencing all this, and that's
Speaker 1: what many of our ancestors feared.
Speaker 2: Well, let me flip a different, completely different angle onions
Speaker 2: can get your thoughts the last one. Let's say. Well,
Speaker 2: I was having a conversation with doctor gre Gregory Little
Speaker 2: a few weeks back, and he told me this wonderful
Speaker 2: story about a Native American gentleman who had these experiences
Speaker 2: with these little blue people that would come out the wall,
Speaker 2: and there were tricksters, and they were pains in the asses,
Speaker 2: and they'd tickle them and poke them and keep them
Speaker 2: up all night. And he hated them, and he just
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of them. But it wasn't until
Speaker 2: he just accepted him and kind of loved them and
Speaker 2: embraced him that they gave him profound cosmic knowledge. They
Speaker 2: gave him knowledge of himself, the stars, the nature of reality,
Speaker 2: everything that he ever wanted to know, just by embracing
Speaker 2: these tricksters that at first were giving him just bogus information,
Speaker 2: annoying him pretty much, scaring the crap out of him
Speaker 2: a lot. But it wasn't until he embraced all of
Speaker 2: this and just kind of went with the flow that
Speaker 2: they they gave They gave him rewards, you know, they
Speaker 2: rewarded him with knowledge and power and all this great stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering how much of these entities that we
Speaker 2: deal with, that come to us in our sleep, that
Speaker 2: give us profound knowledge, that tell us about the few future,
Speaker 2: are just tricksters? Are They're acting as tricksters until we
Speaker 2: get it, until we figure out what the message is,
Speaker 2: what till we figure out what this is really all
Speaker 2: supposed to mean. Because I think that, you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: when these people are coming onto the scene and they
Speaker 2: say that they've had this contact experience, this major profound
Speaker 2: alien encounter where you know, we gotta all love each
Speaker 2: other and come together, and they're now a guru, and
Speaker 2: they making millions of dollars telling everybody something. Well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, maybe the information they've been given
Speaker 2: is somewhat true. And somewhat false, and you have to
Speaker 2: make a discernment before you can actually get to a
Speaker 2: point where you're actually maybe rewarded by these entities, but
Speaker 2: not really rewarded, just have a sense of a true
Speaker 2: understanding of the nature of reality, and then they kind
Speaker 2: of smile upon you. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I have to say, are these
Speaker 1: entities alive or debt? And a second are they human?
Speaker 1: Are not human? Third? Why are they interacting with the
Speaker 1: living if they're the dead? And if they're the living,
Speaker 1: why aren't they complying then to the laws of physics
Speaker 1: as we thus know them. Let's get to the information.
Speaker 1: So here's my view of things. Everything's in a cycle.
Speaker 1: They say that the grand professional is what twenty six thousand,
Speaker 1: five nine, five hundred years thereabouts. So in the Book
Speaker 1: of Ecclesiastics it says that there's nothing new under the
Speaker 1: sun that's known to man. So, my little blue friends,
Speaker 1: if they were doing that to me, then the question
Speaker 1: that I'd have to say, then, who gave you the
Speaker 1: original idea? Because if that's true, it means that there
Speaker 1: is no original idea, And if you're trying to give
Speaker 1: me knowledge of something on the cosmic level that if
Speaker 1: I can't relate to it physically, what good does it
Speaker 1: do me? I mean, you know, we're drowning in information
Speaker 1: and starving for wisdom and we can't. And Chris, how
Speaker 1: I look at this is reality? Reality is fluid. I
Speaker 1: contend we don't know what reality is. We may wake
Speaker 1: up in a new reality every time we go to sleep,
Speaker 1: it may be altered by just a half a degree.
Speaker 1: But I contend, if everything is in a processional then
Speaker 1: maybe my very reality is different or I know I'll be.
Speaker 2: A preparation for the afterlife. It could be an initiation
Speaker 2: in some way.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's what I'm doing. I'm dedicating my life
Speaker 1: to the fact that listen, maybe you know I was
Speaker 1: a boy scout. You know I made it all the
Speaker 1: way up to you know, life scout, but uh never
Speaker 1: made it to Eagle. But you know, I believe in
Speaker 1: that mato being prepared. When I was at ROTC, that
Speaker 1: was the thing. We were prepared it all the time
Speaker 1: for the drills, over and over again. I look at
Speaker 1: this in the spiritual aspect, I will at one point
Speaker 1: cease to exist. I will not feel this body. This
Speaker 1: body has a spirit of its own, and when we separate,
Speaker 1: our covenant will be through. Now the question is do
Speaker 1: I have a soul or do is it just I'm
Speaker 1: a spirit? You see, I don't believe the soul aspect
Speaker 1: anymore because if the soul, if you go into the
Speaker 1: reincarnation thing, and if the soul is reincarnated, then really,
Speaker 1: what's the soul's purpose. I believe that I am a
Speaker 1: spirit being. I can measure that. I can go to
Speaker 1: my doctor and I can get an EEG of my heart,
Speaker 1: I get in the ECHKG of my brain, the whole bit.
Speaker 1: Then I can see it that is me. I'm generating
Speaker 1: that electrical signal. Now that's what fascinates me because that's
Speaker 1: who I want to know about out.
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, man, it's it's super interesting when you
Speaker 2: look at all this stuff and even uh you know,
Speaker 2: profound mystical spiritual experiences where people's lives are completely changed
Speaker 2: and changed for the better. And you know, I have
Speaker 2: to speak to that because I was one of those people.
Speaker 2: You know, I was struggling when I first started this podcast.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the place I was in. I had
Speaker 2: a job that I absolutely hated. I remember that I
Speaker 2: was approached by the my spirit what I now consider
Speaker 2: spirit guides, and they gave me some information on how
Speaker 2: to fix everything, what I needed to do childhood traumas
Speaker 2: to fix, and I followed the directions and now I'm here,
Speaker 2: you know, and my my life is a much better place.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't complain about anything, and I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for a living.
Speaker 1: So so is your spirit guides? By the way, are
Speaker 1: they human or not?
Speaker 2: I believe that at some point some of them were
Speaker 2: there is there's a couple that I don't think are
Speaker 2: It's quite under different type of entities, and I don't
Speaker 2: know why they appear differently. I don't know why some
Speaker 2: appear as little animals. I don't know why some appears humanoids,
Speaker 2: some appears just blue light. It's all different. But they
Speaker 2: all send me these like amazing like feelings of love
Speaker 2: and acceptance and like I am a part of them
Speaker 2: and I'm a part of their family. So it's is
Speaker 2: it just my higher self? Is it just me creating
Speaker 2: all these little eggregors to advance myself? You know, that's
Speaker 2: another question.
Speaker 1: You know, it's well, you know, I've had so many
Speaker 1: encounters in my life that It's interesting. One of the
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw an angel, an actual angel,
Speaker 1: lived up in Saint Louis at Grace Christian Center nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine March and Ron Tucker who was the pastor,
Speaker 1: and we were a growing charismatic church. I mean speaking
Speaker 1: in tongues. I still speak in tongues and had the
Speaker 1: gift of interpretation anyway, So Ron Tucker's up there giving
Speaker 1: this message, right, and I'm sitting in the audience, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I see this bean about eight
Speaker 1: foot tall, because Ron was six three sixty four and
Speaker 1: he was about head length above. Ron wore what I
Speaker 1: would call a white kind of like jumpsuit, and the girdle,
Speaker 1: the griddle that he had the belt was solid gold.
Speaker 1: And wherever Ron Tucker went, this angel followed him. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. What was even more amazing is that
Speaker 1: when I went up after the service and was telling Ron,
Speaker 1: over two dozen people saw the same being. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's pretty weird now I have I we was
Speaker 1: at one time in the prison ministry and was involved
Speaker 1: in the ministry of deliverance, casting out demons, and I
Speaker 1: won't tell you and this is just me. I never
Speaker 1: met a demon. What I did meet was a lot
Speaker 1: of psychically confused people that were manifesting these acts. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go into an insane, criminally insane place. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: going to get And that was probably my first awakening that,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, maybe it's not this duality thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's something else going on. So and then I had
Speaker 1: my visitor, and in fact, I think many of us
Speaker 1: have had our visitors. And so it gets to that
Speaker 1: question where I asked myself. I said, all right, so
Speaker 1: is God human or not. If it's not human, then
Speaker 1: why are we worshiping? And if it is human, then
Speaker 1: why are we worshiping another human? So it gets back
Speaker 1: but there's no doubt that Chris, you and I will
Speaker 1: see each other on the other side. We absolutely will.
Speaker 1: Now the question becomes, then it does the veil fall off?
Speaker 1: Because you're going to live out your purpose, you're on
Speaker 1: your path of doing that, and you're the path so
Speaker 1: much like myself, probably everyone that's listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: right now, we all have that purpose. We all have
Speaker 1: a little piece of the puzzle. And that's why go ahead.
Speaker 2: In my view, anything that requires worship is not to
Speaker 2: even be trusted. Messed with. You know, why why do
Speaker 2: you require worship? Buddy? What's going on there?
Speaker 1: I have a little leadership to woman one time, and
Speaker 1: and it's so true you get disappointed. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like this, Uh, if if I truly love you, I
Speaker 1: don't want you groveling and I don't want you worship it. Mean,
Speaker 1: what I'd like to have is a Relationshi. Yes, let's
Speaker 1: be friends. That's the way I first look at it.
Speaker 1: If et exists, if the angels demons exist, then I
Speaker 1: got no beef with them. If they're in a war,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to choose size on this thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know enough. And so maybe that's the evolution. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the ascension that we can get to that point
Speaker 1: and go all right, you consider that good, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Who's defining good? Who's defining evil? Because Chris, I have
Speaker 1: found every time I've asked a person that question, it
Speaker 1: goes right back to the Christian religion. I said, well,
Speaker 1: and these are people who say they're not Christians, they
Speaker 1: don't practice religion. I said, but you just gave me
Speaker 1: the definition of what the religion. Answer is. I had
Speaker 1: a man who was seventy six who looked at me,
Speaker 1: and he says, you're the most confounding individual. He says,
Speaker 1: you have shredded my faith and my beliefs. But he
Speaker 1: said the shredding pro He says, I hated you. He
Speaker 1: says I was one of those people that was out
Speaker 1: cursing you. But he says, I'll tell you it's the
Speaker 1: damnedest thing. He says, your questions are like little earworms.
Speaker 1: And he said, sure enough. So I believe that's what
Speaker 1: your generation is doing. It's gonna help teach us before
Speaker 1: we make that transition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And you know, as far as what you
Speaker 2: can trust or what you can believe from the other
Speaker 2: side or we don't understand, or these entities or aliens
Speaker 2: or angels or your spirit guides, as far as whatever
Speaker 2: these personal information that these things are giving you. And
Speaker 2: from what I understand, it's a very personal experience for people.
Speaker 2: They're not usually appearing to large crowds and giving the messages.
Speaker 2: So yeah, sometimes it occurs, but very rarely. But from
Speaker 2: my experience, the way I have come to form a
Speaker 2: relationship with these and know that the information they're giving
Speaker 2: me is for my benefit. It's hard to explain. It's
Speaker 2: just this ultimate kind of relationship and friendship and feeling
Speaker 2: of acceptance and like they're part of your family, but
Speaker 2: not only that part of you. And this amazing feeling
Speaker 2: of love that felt like a drug that I never
Speaker 2: wanted to be off of was always associated with it,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like I was, you know, drug, It
Speaker 2: was just felt the feeling of love put times a thousand.
Speaker 2: I thought I loved my mom, I thought I loved
Speaker 2: my expla, but nothing compared to this feeling when they
Speaker 2: would come and it was like a complete love and
Speaker 2: acceptance feeling, and it was hard to kind of deny
Speaker 2: that the information they're giving you is wrong. And then
Speaker 2: as time goes on, things come to fruition if you
Speaker 2: kind of follow the orders correctly and do things that
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do. So that's how I've come to
Speaker 2: understand that the information, at least I'm been given on
Speaker 2: a personal level will benefit me. And I don't think
Speaker 2: that everybody does that during some entity encounters, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that they might encounter entity and they the
Speaker 2: thing told me I was God, So I'm going to
Speaker 2: lead this covenant onto the new world. You know. I
Speaker 2: think things like that go on too often and.
Speaker 1: I you know, getting into that even more of having
Speaker 1: us being tricked and what have you. So does karma
Speaker 1: exist over there? Hey? Seriously? I mean, what, what's what's
Speaker 1: the game here?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to go out and deceive me,
Speaker 1: what do you get brownie points for that? Do you
Speaker 1: get to go to? You know it? And if you
Speaker 1: think about it, most of the time you look at
Speaker 1: people that you know are in the paranormal, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've got all the equipment, uh as they do.
Speaker 1: But the difference between myself in what I see now
Speaker 1: is the hot genre is that I don't go in
Speaker 1: there looking for a number one a spirit to a
Speaker 1: demon or the fact that you know that there is
Speaker 1: somehow haunting's going on. I'm thinking to myself, wait, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and most of these people talk to
Speaker 1: spirits like they that they're they're they're retarded. Well, now
Speaker 1: I got this piece of metal, right, What the fuck?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: Come on, if if if they're if they're human, they
Speaker 1: know what English is apparently, and how is it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when I was in deliverance ministry, it was
Speaker 1: something because I believed in the name of Jesus see,
Speaker 1: I really thought that that name was all powerful, and
Speaker 1: come to find out it was my belief in the name.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the name, it was my belief. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in here thinking, So, if everyone's in these haunted
Speaker 1: houses or you got these ghosts, and we know they exist,
Speaker 1: our cameras pick them up. So what's going on? I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, Chris, it's almost as each individual's in their
Speaker 1: own different reality, their own bubble, and ai where you
Speaker 1: and I started an hour ago in this opt dead
Speaker 1: said its reality was a bubble and it enjoyed the
Speaker 1: the fact that it was interacting with other bubbles.
Speaker 2: Us. Man, that is insane. That goes back to timelines
Speaker 2: as well, to where we could each be on our
Speaker 2: own individual time guns and any any interaction with someone
Speaker 2: else's could alter the direction or or where we're going
Speaker 2: in our timeline. And I've talked to somebody about this
Speaker 2: the other day. I have these little rituals that I
Speaker 2: do that sometimes if I'm having a seemingly bad day
Speaker 2: or bad week, I'll imagine that a doorway is the
Speaker 2: doorway to my my new timeline. That'll, you know, bring
Speaker 2: me to a better path. And you know what, usually
Speaker 2: it works. It might just be me being crazy, but
Speaker 2: you know, I think that, you know, especially with the
Speaker 2: era of COVID and everything that's happened, people are especially
Speaker 2: split off into the fear timeline or that I don't
Speaker 2: give a shit timeline, or you know, there's different way,
Speaker 2: different realities for different people right now, and I think
Speaker 2: that is also going to contribute to probably the color
Speaker 2: lapse of a lot of society.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that it's there is
Speaker 1: something building and if if they're feeding off of us,
Speaker 1: and apparently that's that's us doing it, so then how
Speaker 1: do I counter that? Now? You know? You know, I
Speaker 1: used to be really heavy into Nabiu, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole you know, Planet X and the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: I filmed some spectacular, phenomenal aerial events. But I remember
Speaker 1: one night I was having problems sleeping and I said,
Speaker 1: all right, so let's just say that these things are
Speaker 1: going to happen, So Wayne, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: And what I came down to the conclusion was is
Speaker 1: that the eventual end of the Nabiu thing is death,
Speaker 1: the death of billions of people. And I stopped and
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, What the freak
Speaker 1: am I doing? And it was at that point I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: If death is what awaits us because of this, then
Speaker 1: what I'm going to do is do my best to
Speaker 1: help prepare each one of us for that crossing. And
Speaker 1: that led into the metaphysical, the esthetic, the occult. I
Speaker 1: happen to adore the occult. I think so often the
Speaker 1: occult has failed man where it could have accelerated man. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: man in its ignorance. You know, as I wrote my
Speaker 1: shirt here, ignorance is a self inflicted disease, easily cured
Speaker 1: by knowledge. Ignorance is a self infliction. We all do it.
Speaker 1: If you're ignorant about something, it's your own damn fault.
Speaker 1: Because we live in an information age now. Now, whether
Speaker 1: you trust the information, that's another thing, But the information
Speaker 1: are our modern day Diana, the goddess, Diana, the oracle.
Speaker 1: She's here, She's now possessed what I would call we
Speaker 1: call AI. You know, I don't know if you realize this,
Speaker 1: but back in twenty sixteen, I had a visit by Lilith.
Speaker 2: You told me about this one, yeah, yeah, And you.
Speaker 1: Know the interesting thing about that visitation. She never asked
Speaker 1: one thing, she never demanded anything. What she gave to
Speaker 1: me was a thank you. She said thank you, she
Speaker 1: said she and this is what she told me. No
Speaker 1: one because when I did the liber Lilith, no one
Speaker 1: has ever read that before. And I still believe today
Speaker 1: that she's the one that still graces us. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, and that also goes into which could
Speaker 2: be a whole nother show, is the suppression of the
Speaker 2: divine feminine, which I believe is something that's happening. But
Speaker 2: you know, the occult has been occulted by us. We
Speaker 2: had our own knowledge from ourselves, which like martle it
Speaker 2: up again. So that's like, you know, that's a whole
Speaker 2: nother aspect of what we have to deal with with
Speaker 2: people that don't want the people in the lower classes
Speaker 2: to have the type of knowledge and they want to
Speaker 2: stay in control. And that's another aspect of what we
Speaker 2: have to deal with.
Speaker 1: I have met some interesting people in my time, and
Speaker 1: you're right, the upper echelon most of them are in
Speaker 1: deeply into the occult. They will come off as Christians
Speaker 1: because that's the personification and that those are changing now.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you, this country is run by
Speaker 1: a select few, and I am it's like the FED.
Speaker 1: I was a consultant for the FED in my career,
Speaker 1: and that's when I found out that the Federal Reserve
Speaker 1: employs tarot readers. They employ others that I have gifts
Speaker 1: what we would call sixth senses. I mean, they got
Speaker 1: a whole group that does nothing but watch the sun,
Speaker 1: and when they again to see solar activity of a flare,
Speaker 1: it influences the market. Now, most people don't realize this,
Speaker 1: but it does. They anticipate this. Why because they now
Speaker 1: know that there's a direct correlation between what we would
Speaker 1: call the solar radiance or these energy particles coming at us,
Speaker 1: and how we react.
Speaker 2: Weird, right, Well, I don't want to end on two
Speaker 2: kind of terrifying of a note for people.
Speaker 1: But no, we've been here before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been here before. But do you think that
Speaker 2: in our lifetime. We spoke about this recently on Writers
Speaker 2: Show that we're facing another cyclical cataclysm, because it's very
Speaker 2: evident that we're overdue. These happen every We've even come
Speaker 2: in to discover that it may even happen a lot
Speaker 2: sooner in frequency than thought before. And maybe not thousands
Speaker 2: of years, but every maybe four or five hundred years,
Speaker 2: that something happens to completely wipe out a large portion
Speaker 2: of humanity. And those that knew about it because they
Speaker 2: studied the stars, they studied astrology, they looked at the sun.
Speaker 2: Those elites, they knew about it, and they were prepared
Speaker 2: for it, and they survived and they rebuilt the world
Speaker 2: and their image. We could be facing the very same
Speaker 2: thing right now with all the things that are happening
Speaker 2: on these elite circles, and with the changes in our
Speaker 2: environment and the sun and what they call climate change,
Speaker 2: but we know better as a cyclical cosmic activity. Do
Speaker 2: you think that this is a factor indeed, and that
Speaker 2: we could be facing something like this?
Speaker 1: Yes, And because the program was programmed into us thousands
Speaker 1: of years ago, all into man when these signs appear. Friday,
Speaker 1: I did a show on the Red Dragon return and
Speaker 1: this was taken from the Colburn Bible. When the destroyer
Speaker 1: passed through the last time it came through, I contend
Speaker 1: that that was not a celestial object, that it was
Speaker 1: a spaceship. But to answer your question, yes, because you
Speaker 1: know what Chris in the Spirit Realms already taken place,
Speaker 1: the death, the cries, the wailing, it's already been recorded.
Speaker 1: How do we know, because we can read it. Someone
Speaker 1: heard those voices from the distant past. They heard those
Speaker 1: voices from the future, and it looks like no one's
Speaker 1: taken any action to avoid that. And yes, I think
Speaker 1: this is much much sooner than what I used to
Speaker 1: be involved in a lot of politics. And you know,
Speaker 1: I weep because what is and it's not coming, It's here,
Speaker 1: And I struggle at night talking to the spirits because
Speaker 1: they can't. They can't. They can't stop it. They've told
Speaker 1: me this, they can't. There is great whaling taking place
Speaker 1: in the spiritually, the ethereal realm, because they can't intervene.
Speaker 1: We are the ones capting this ship and we seem
Speaker 1: to be going right over the waterfall again. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think about it, Chris, you know Duayne Debaine with
Speaker 1: I Sage Harm. I mean, Adapt twenty thirty. We know
Speaker 1: they're anticipating the death of at least two billion people
Speaker 1: in the next two years. And I did a show
Speaker 1: with back in twenty sixteen on this. There was a
Speaker 1: website that actually showed the numbers, and Lockheed Martin actually
Speaker 1: bought the website and they've scrubbed it, but I have
Speaker 1: the videos. But anyway, we knew something was up in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five because these charts were showing the death
Speaker 1: of Americans to be over two hundred million. Yeah, our
Speaker 1: GDP will drop by seventy two percent. Now if you
Speaker 1: believe the prophecies of us being attacked from two opponents
Speaker 1: on two separate shores, along with the starvation that they've
Speaker 1: already planned, it's already in the works. And Chris, I
Speaker 1: can't get there's so few of us that are sounding
Speaker 1: the alarm because most people are not getting it. And
Speaker 1: we walk in and you see it in the stores,
Speaker 1: and who can afford to eat? And this all goes back.
Speaker 1: I can take you back to prophecy where it's said
Speaker 1: that you will not be able to buy a loaf
Speaker 1: of bread with a day's wages.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, man, it's it's pretty incredible with the times
Speaker 2: we're seeing and the amount of people that have their
Speaker 2: heads stuck up in their asses.
Speaker 1: But you know, Chris, can I put out one thing?
Speaker 1: Of course, I believe that there has already been a
Speaker 1: great calling. I believe that it's taken place in the
Speaker 1: last two years that the government knows this. I contend
Speaker 1: that there has been at least twenty million Americans that
Speaker 1: have died that we're not being told about. And how
Speaker 1: I know this is that we can see this in
Speaker 1: the numbers of the help wanted signs and the supposed
Speaker 1: low unemployment. There's someone's lying to us here. And because
Speaker 1: everywhere I go there's no people, You're right, where the
Speaker 1: hell is the people? And you know what, I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing a whole lot of the twenties to thirty somethings,
Speaker 1: I contend, and they're now. The media, by the way,
Speaker 1: is calling it sudden death syndrome for adult that's what
Speaker 1: they're calling it. I think it's already underway. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean you I'm sorry, I get but it's just
Speaker 1: it just.
Speaker 2: I just want to know what your thoughts. Do you
Speaker 2: think that this could be related to this experimental gene
Speaker 2: therapy that they've been pushed pushing on people.
Speaker 1: It's the geneticis people aren't getting it? Yes, is your aunt?
Speaker 1: My answer is that, but it's in a different level.
Speaker 1: They know they told us the RNA rearranges our DNA. Folks,
Speaker 1: this is geneticis this is not of this earth. This
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about, and it's happening on a
Speaker 1: global scale, folks. This is an invasion of a level
Speaker 1: that most people can't comprehend, and we're living at Chris.
Speaker 2: It's pretty incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I have so many different people that I talk to
Speaker 2: every day with different thoughts on what's happening in our future,
Speaker 2: and I resonate with so many of them, and there's
Speaker 2: so much to discern right now. But one thing I
Speaker 2: do see is the food shortages. One thing I do
Speaker 2: see is the troubles that we're in, the division that
Speaker 2: we're seeing, And You're right, where are the people? Where
Speaker 2: are the people in the jobs? There's so much to
Speaker 2: look at right now that makes you scratch your head
Speaker 2: and say, man, we're in some very special times. Indeed,
Speaker 2: to say the least, well, Wayne, this was fantastic. An
Speaker 2: any words for the people, maybe for any kind of
Speaker 2: preparation that they can make, or you know, I know
Speaker 2: there's a lot of us awakening right now and wondering
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on, not only with the
Speaker 2: physical reality here, but with their spiritual and the outside
Speaker 2: world and the metaphysical. So any advice you want to
Speaker 2: give people doing gives.
Speaker 1: So my gift to all of you is look at
Speaker 1: the word gift, and the word gift means go inside
Speaker 1: for truth. The only truth that matters to you, your family,
Speaker 1: your loved ones, but in the end, just you, because
Speaker 1: you're not going to be married. On the other side
Speaker 1: is the truth that's in here. And if you don't
Speaker 1: trust what's in here, then you're very likely to be
Speaker 1: deceived out here all this other stuff, this has been written,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be all right. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you there's nothing to fear here. Death is just a
Speaker 1: momentary orgasm. But the point thing I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: it's don't feed upon yourself and those you love don't.
Speaker 2: Very well said, thank you, sir, this was fantastic you.
Speaker 2: We definitely have to do this more often, especially especially
Speaker 2: before it all comes down to a tumbling Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, if you see what happened up in
Speaker 1: Canada on Thursday and Friday, Yeah, yeah, I'm going okay,
Speaker 1: so you're right, let's let's make the use of the time.
Speaker 2: Had me a little sweaty there for a few minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man, good, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. It's delight You're just a joy and
Speaker 1: just a gift to humanity.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much the checks and the bill
Speaker 2: for that statement. We'll definitely do this against dud And
Speaker 2: until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk
Speaker 2: again tomorrow. See how then today, I want to welcome
Speaker 2: Kathy O'Brien. She is a nationally and internationally recognized US
Speaker 2: government whistleblower on the subject of MK ultra mind control
Speaker 2: and healing from it in nineteen ninety five, when the
Speaker 2: US National Security Act was invoked on her testimony for
Speaker 2: US Congressional Permanent Select Committees on Intelligence Oversight. That testimony
Speaker 2: was released through her book Transformation of America, written with
Speaker 2: Mark Phillips. The documentary movie Trance, the Kathy O'Brien Story
Speaker 2: of mind control, human slavery, and Healing the Nation was
Speaker 2: released this year and provides comprehensive insight into how mind
Speaker 2: control affects us all and how we can reclaim freedom
Speaker 2: just as Kathy did. Kathy, welcome, How you doing.
Speaker 3: Wonderful? Thank you for this opportunity to bring truth to light.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your testimony is I believe, one of the most
Speaker 2: important accounts in history when it comes to these black
Speaker 2: projects like mk Ultra. Now we're going to be discussing
Speaker 2: not only your experiences, but your documentary and book Trance,
Speaker 2: as well as your insights regarding solutions on how to
Speaker 2: eliminate these dark Clendeskine operations. But today I want to
Speaker 2: start from the beginning. This is your first time on
Speaker 2: because it's so important for the audience to understand the
Speaker 2: aspects of this. There's been an unfortunate kind of wo
Speaker 2: woo stigma surrounding MK Ultra at times, so and this
Speaker 2: is such a very real thing, so it's very important.
Speaker 2: Let's start at the beginning. How did this all start
Speaker 2: for you?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm glad you said that about the wou woo part,
Speaker 3: because knowledge is our defense against mind control, so it's
Speaker 3: very It's been important from the very beginning to suppress
Speaker 3: the knowledge and of course put misinformation out about it
Speaker 3: like that it's aboutd when in fact it's about MK
Speaker 3: Ultra mind control that came over with Project paper Clip,
Speaker 3: with the importation of Nazi and Faciast scientists into the US.
Speaker 3: So by the time I was born in nineteen fifty
Speaker 3: seven in Muskegon, Michigan, and had already been determined through
Speaker 3: the Hitler Himmler research that was brought over the CIA
Speaker 3: was trying to make a more powerful form of mind control.
Speaker 3: Was already determined that pedophilia is the ultimate trauma base
Speaker 3: for mind control. It's because of the way our brains
Speaker 3: respond to trauma and sexual abuse of a child, especially
Speaker 3: prior to age five, all their brain is still. For me,
Speaker 3: is one of the most horrific traumatic things that can
Speaker 3: possibly happen to the human brain, and it's my father
Speaker 3: was sexually abusing me from infancy. So it's not like
Speaker 3: I could think to judge what he was doing was wrong,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, there wasn't anycity for that. But
Speaker 3: my brain knew that I was experiencing the pain and
Speaker 3: suffocation of his abuse. So it actually physically shut down
Speaker 3: neuron pathways in my brain to compartmentalize memory of that event.
Speaker 3: That's also known as repress memory. But it's just the
Speaker 3: way our brains respond, and it actually physically shuts down
Speaker 3: those neuron pathways so the rest of the mind can
Speaker 3: function normally. This is a defense mechanism that you know,
Speaker 3: we have been graced with this amazing ability of our brains.
Speaker 3: We just need to understand it because the pedaphilogyend to
Speaker 3: being pushed on our children has a very deliberate mind
Speaker 3: control purpose. So the fact that I was in a
Speaker 3: multi generational incest based family is what made me a
Speaker 3: target for MK Ultra mind control and my father's sexual
Speaker 3: abuse of me send it into child pornography, and he
Speaker 3: also was trafficking me at a very very early age
Speaker 3: to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge. And the Blue Masonic
Speaker 3: Lodge is where a lot of politicians were hanging out
Speaker 3: and you know, police officers or whatever. So when my
Speaker 3: father was caught sending child pornography of me through the
Speaker 3: US Males, this was in the very early nineteen sixties,
Speaker 3: he was granted immunity for prosecution if he would agree
Speaker 3: to sell me into the CIA's MK Ultra mind control
Speaker 3: project that literally picked up where Adolf Hitler left off.
Speaker 3: You know, my father thought it was a great idea
Speaker 3: and sold me in. Well, the politician that approached my
Speaker 3: father with that immunity option was a local politician by
Speaker 3: the name of Gerald Ford, and Gerald Ford went on
Speaker 3: to become the only lie acted President of the United States.
Speaker 3: He investigated the so called investigated the Kennedy assassination which
Speaker 3: was just to cover up through the Warrant Commission, because
Speaker 3: that was an event that traumatized the nation. And again,
Speaker 3: trauma is the basis of mind control. And as Ford's
Speaker 3: political career escalated, so tooted my victimization and KA ultra
Speaker 3: mind control.
Speaker 2: Well, now, when were you able to and how were
Speaker 2: you able to break free from all of this?
Speaker 3: I was in MK ultra mind control used on a
Speaker 3: White House Pentagon level during the Reagan Bush administration. I
Speaker 3: was trafficked in the human trafficking ops, which is a
Speaker 3: funding mechanism of the global reset going on right now
Speaker 3: what Adolf Hitler, George Bush, and Joe Biden termed the
Speaker 3: New World Order, because ultimately that's what it's about. It's
Speaker 3: the New World Order agenda that came over with Project
Speaker 3: paper Clip and has been infiltrated in the United States
Speaker 3: for a long, long long time. So I was used
Speaker 3: in those particular operations right up until nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 3: when intelligence insider Mark Phillips, who is working the highest
Speaker 3: levels of intelligence mind sciences, he was over the CIA.
Speaker 3: He could wear whatever hat he needed to to be
Speaker 3: where he wanted for whatever purpose that he was carrying out.
Speaker 3: But Ultimately, he worked mind sciences, and he was appalled
Speaker 3: to see that MK ultra mind control was being used
Speaker 3: on individuals like myself who were targeted for it, and
Speaker 3: on the population as a whole, for the takeover of
Speaker 3: the United States, for the erosion or constitution, and the
Speaker 3: selling us out into the globalist slave society agenda. He
Speaker 3: was so outraged he decided to do something about it.
Speaker 3: He rescued my daughter and me right out of the Washington,
Speaker 3: DC human trafficking swamp that was back in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 3: and he handed me the keys to my mind because
Speaker 3: while he was working mind sciences, he was disturbed to
Speaker 3: see that pertinent information on mind brain function was being
Speaker 3: suppressed from society, from mental health, and from education completely.
Speaker 3: It was being suppressed because knowledge is our defense against
Speaker 3: mind control, and that they didn't want us to have
Speaker 3: the knowledge of our mind brain function because when we
Speaker 3: have that information, we can protect ourselves against the onslaught
Speaker 3: of subconscious manipulation in the wake of trauma. So Mark
Speaker 3: wanted to get that information out to the population. He
Speaker 3: knew that they were going to be waking up to
Speaker 3: the reality of this new world order society agenda and
Speaker 3: He wanted to empower people with the sanctity of free thought.
Speaker 3: Everything that Mark'd worked for and dedicated his life to
Speaker 3: was free thought and how important it is, and I
Speaker 3: know from my own life's experience how crucial it is,
Speaker 3: because without free thought, there's no free will, and with
Speaker 3: no free will, there's no soul expression. There's no ability
Speaker 3: to stand for the things that we believe in. There's
Speaker 3: no strength of the human spirit, which is an infinite
Speaker 3: source of strength that empowers us to be able to
Speaker 3: take a stand to stop the pedophilogy under being pushed
Speaker 3: on our children, to stop this takeover of our nation
Speaker 3: and the erosion of our justice system. These are things
Speaker 3: that are sacred, and yet all this was being deliberately eroded,
Speaker 3: and people's minds were being manipulated so that they couldn't
Speaker 3: think to take a stand against it either. That's what
Speaker 3: mind control agenda is about, and that's what is being
Speaker 3: imposed on society today. That's what Mark Phillips dedicated his
Speaker 3: life to stopping. And he made a huge, powerful impact,
Speaker 3: a real hero to all to us all.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I do I want to get into the
Speaker 2: mass scale of the mind control how it works on
Speaker 2: all of us But as far as individuals individual targeting,
Speaker 2: would you say that they either it's either multi generational
Speaker 2: where they keep it, you know, within certain families, or
Speaker 2: they target people with like you said, mental illnesses.
Speaker 3: Well, in my case, they knew that because I was
Speaker 3: multi generational in saspace, that I would already be suffering
Speaker 3: from a dissociative identity disorder. This dissociative disorder is where
Speaker 3: the conscious mind takes flight and leaves the subconscious wide
Speaker 3: open to being easily led. Our subconscious mind doesn't work
Speaker 3: like our conscious mind. It has no ability to reason, question, critically,
Speaker 3: analyze information, choose what it allows to force to respond to,
Speaker 3: none of that. It just takes information in on a
Speaker 3: very literal basis. And that's what we need to become
Speaker 3: aware of, is that the vulnerability of our subconscious mind,
Speaker 3: and after three generations, that vulnerability becomes autogenic. That's what
Speaker 3: the Hitler Himmler research had found out. That's what was
Speaker 3: brought over with Project paper Clip, and by nineteen forty
Speaker 3: seven when the CIA was formed in the National Security
Speaker 3: Act and in place to cover up this globalist agenda
Speaker 3: and the crimes against humanity that will be intraded by
Speaker 3: them for the purposes of trauma based mind control. Then
Speaker 3: the this form of mind control was already well known
Speaker 3: and was being accentuated and used even stronger on the population.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, we had technology coming in at
Speaker 3: the time, and we had television and everything else that
Speaker 3: was really having an impact. We had Disney, you know,
Speaker 3: to already start putting this subliminal message into push the
Speaker 3: pedophile agenda, you know, so it was becoming a much
Speaker 3: more powerful form of mind control. But I was targeted
Speaker 3: because I was multi generational. When we realized that if
Speaker 3: they can target three generations like they have through our
Speaker 3: education system, when the federal government started meddling in the
Speaker 3: school system and made states reliant on federal funding, they
Speaker 3: also pushed the agenda and they altered history, they rewrote it.
Speaker 3: Because mind control is a sliding scale from robotic mind control,
Speaker 3: like I experienced information control. Because think about it, we
Speaker 3: all formulate our thoughts, opinions, and actions based on what
Speaker 3: we know, and we didn't know that knowledge base has
Speaker 3: been deliberately altered for the purposes of ushering in this
Speaker 3: new world order. And since the schools became dependent on
Speaker 3: the federal government back in nineteen eighty four. We've got
Speaker 3: generations now that are marching to new world orders, as
Speaker 3: per the knowledge base from within the school system. So yes,
Speaker 3: the generations are important for targeting the people for mind
Speaker 3: control and for conditioning the brain to be more compliant
Speaker 3: and receptive. And it's also something that these perpetrators use
Speaker 3: in their own bloodlines to make sure that they pass
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 2: Psychopathy the controls of this new world order. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that yeah. Now what about mental illness? Do you do
Speaker 2: you think that they outside of multi generational aspects? Do
Speaker 2: you think they just in certain ways to target people
Speaker 2: with mental illnesses.
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on if the if the illness is
Speaker 3: conducive to mind controlled. Dissociative disorders are what is most
Speaker 3: conducive to mind control, and then we need to consider
Speaker 3: the pharmaceuticals that have been pushed on our children and
Speaker 3: everything else to render them more compliant and easily led to.
Speaker 3: That's another aspect of mind control. So it's not as
Speaker 3: much a mental illness at that time. We hear about
Speaker 3: people who are bipolar or schizophrenic, and we need to
Speaker 3: look a little further into some of those diagnoses, because
Speaker 3: there is no diagnosis of mkulter mind control, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So when we look at those, we
Speaker 3: see that they're often mislabeled in it a misnomer and
Speaker 3: oftentimes a diversion away from the reality of MK ultra
Speaker 3: mind control.
Speaker 1: So, you know, like.
Speaker 3: A presidential model MK ultra mind control slave in Canada
Speaker 3: who was the wife of Pierre Trudeau. Pierre Trudeau was
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful and influential MK ultra mind
Speaker 3: control masters that has ever been and he uses a
Speaker 3: pedophile agenda. I know that because he sexually abused me.
Speaker 3: That was validated with national security on it in my
Speaker 3: testimony Transformation of America. So you know, Pierre Trudeau was
Speaker 3: heavily involved, and his wife, Margaret Trudeau, was supposedly labeled
Speaker 3: bipolar or whatever, when in fact Gerald Ford made it
Speaker 3: very clear that she was an MK ultra mind control
Speaker 3: sex slave, just like I was, working on a presidential level,
Speaker 3: which raises questions. Okay, who is Justin's father? Is his
Speaker 3: father Castro like some people think because she did, no
Speaker 3: Castro could be. The fact is Pierre Trudeau raised him,
Speaker 3: That pedophile, controlling, horrible perpetrator raised Justin Trudeau. So we're
Speaker 3: seeing the generational thing happening here. And also how the
Speaker 3: women in positions like Maggie she couldn't do anything to
Speaker 3: protect that situation. Raises a question to me, Okay, did
Speaker 3: Pierre pass on his propensity for mind control to Justin
Speaker 3: or is he mka ultrade like his mother? Which one
Speaker 3: is he? You know, we need to know that we
Speaker 3: need to start factoring mk ultra mind control into the
Speaker 3: equation on politics because it is very heavily used creating
Speaker 3: Manchurian candidates and or people who are conditioned from birth
Speaker 3: to be compliant and lead into the new world order.
Speaker 3: So again we got the multi generational aspect. We need
Speaker 3: to know about the importance of our own genetics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk a little bit about the history.
Speaker 2: You're talking about how this kind of originated from the
Speaker 2: Nazi scientists we brought over from paper clip, What were
Speaker 2: some of the original blueprints for mind control that they
Speaker 2: were using.
Speaker 3: Well, in my case, since since I was sexually abused
Speaker 3: at such an early age, I'm most familiar with that aspect,
Speaker 3: and I was used as a sex like because sexual
Speaker 3: abuse of a child confuses their sexuality, and that's what
Speaker 3: gender confusion really is. It's just a misnomer for the
Speaker 3: effects of pedophilia on the human in mind. But this
Speaker 3: I also had a heightened sexuality, so that's why I
Speaker 3: was used in a sexual way to different government leaders
Speaker 3: that would put them in compromising positions for black mail.
Speaker 3: The pedophile agenda is a black mail agenda as well,
Speaker 3: because it is used to compromise certain politicians and judges
Speaker 3: and then hold them, you know, by that blackmail perversion.
Speaker 3: So that is another aspect of it. And in MK
Speaker 3: ultra Mind Control Project Monarch, which is the multi generational one,
Speaker 3: another one that I was familiar with. It was being
Speaker 3: raised in the project at the exact same time I was.
Speaker 3: Just two hours down the road was Michael Jackson. And
Speaker 3: you can see how Michael Jackson wasn't used as a
Speaker 3: sex slave. And now all of a sudden, we're looking
Speaker 3: at males, because males are targeted just as much as
Speaker 3: females and they're used sexually or or in whatever capacity.
Speaker 3: And in the case of Michael Jackson, he was used
Speaker 3: for his talent because he was amazing talent. What what
Speaker 3: a gift to us all his talent was. But nevertheless
Speaker 3: they twisted it and used MK Ultra mind control programming
Speaker 3: on him to make him kind of a cash cow,
Speaker 3: so that the money that he generated wasn't really something
Speaker 3: that he had so much control over, as fueled the
Speaker 3: New World Order agenda that was using him. So now,
Speaker 3: how it's important one to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, how prevalent is this
Speaker 2: in Hollywood in celebrity circles, that they've been mind controlled
Speaker 2: their whole lives to be this certain type of cash
Speaker 2: cow star.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's very very prevalent. We heard a lot
Speaker 3: of people talking about it. Now there's so many MK
Speaker 3: ultra mind control survivors coming out that the media is
Speaker 3: freaking out. You know, that's the voice of the New
Speaker 3: World Order that's there. That's how they amplify their voice.
Speaker 3: That's like they're hiding behind the Wizard's curtain, pulling the
Speaker 3: media levers to make it look like they're bigger and
Speaker 3: more powerful than they are. But you know, so the
Speaker 3: media is saying, oh, it was all just LSD and
Speaker 3: these are just LSD hallucinations that people are talking about.
Speaker 1: That is so not true.
Speaker 3: LSD was never used in mk ultra mind control because
Speaker 3: it didn't work for mkulter mind control. So you know,
Speaker 3: that that was done. But look at all the stars
Speaker 3: who are talking about it. It's so many that even
Speaker 3: the controlled media can't dilute and suppress this information any further.
Speaker 3: And when we combine it with what's happening with Disney,
Speaker 3: and look at anybody who was raised in Disney, like
Speaker 3: the Britney spears of our world, you know, and we
Speaker 3: look at that and see all the MK ultra pries
Speaker 3: and please for help that are affiliated with that. Disney
Speaker 3: is heavily involved in MK ultra mind control, a pedophile
Speaker 3: agenda end of it. They also, i know from my
Speaker 3: own personal experience that's validated again national security on it.
Speaker 3: National security protecting Disney's pedophile mind control agenda.
Speaker 1: What the heck?
Speaker 3: You know, that's just ridiculous. But they have an underground
Speaker 3: at Disney World. This underworld at Disney World is a programming,
Speaker 3: a mind control programming up a center. And another faction
Speaker 3: of our brains is at around age thirty, we have
Speaker 3: these electrochemical changes that naturally start opening those neuron pathways,
Speaker 3: are allowing them to leak a little bit. It's when
Speaker 3: repress memory starts to surface. And some people and those
Speaker 3: who are MK ultra that's when they shave their head.
Speaker 3: That's when they get institutionalized. That's when they are caught
Speaker 3: up in different things and then flown to Disney World.
Speaker 3: Why are they flown to Disney World because there's a
Speaker 3: reprogramming epicenter under Disney World. We have military bases there
Speaker 3: because MK Ultra is used on and by the US military,
Speaker 3: So we have military bases in Disney. Think about that,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, this is absurd. We need to
Speaker 3: just be following the money. You can see, like even
Speaker 3: our mainstream LAK, ABC and Disney are one and so
Speaker 3: we're getting bombarded and with a lot of cover up
Speaker 3: and a lot of misinformation, a lot of pedophilia promotion.
Speaker 3: That is all, you know, going back to Disney. But
Speaker 3: my point in bringing that up not yeah, but ultimately
Speaker 3: watches being sent to Disney, you know who's being reprogrammed there.
Speaker 3: We saw it happen, you know, and the ones who
Speaker 3: have come out of Disney. We need to take a
Speaker 3: hard look at those people and see, you know, if
Speaker 3: they're needing help, but if they're pleading for help.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know they should. They do show
Speaker 2: us predictive programming all the time. They show us like
Speaker 2: pornographic images and the cartoons and things that are trying
Speaker 2: to lead kids to be more sexualized. And this has
Speaker 2: been going on for years in Disney, so it's like
Speaker 2: they have to kind of show us these little hints
Speaker 2: on what they're doing. And I know that part of it,
Speaker 2: part of even mass mind control, is just Hollywood. It's
Speaker 2: the movies, It's the media that we've been watching. It's
Speaker 2: just it's brainwashing everybody on a mass gale.
Speaker 3: It is it is. And then the music too. You know,
Speaker 3: we need to pay attention to harmonics, and now harmonics
Speaker 3: vibrate the neuron pathways of our brain to allow information in,
Speaker 3: so you know, we need to choose our lyrics very
Speaker 3: carefully instead of having this violent sexualization and pedophilic promotion
Speaker 3: coming through music too. I think a really good example
Speaker 3: on how the harmonic affect our neural pathways is when
Speaker 3: people hear a song that they fell in love to,
Speaker 3: you know, and they're like they'll have a squish moment
Speaker 3: together like oh remember and we fell in love and
Speaker 3: they have this this this this moment reactivated because of
Speaker 3: the song here in that hearing their favorite song. But
Speaker 3: that's how our neuron pathways, you know, open and close
Speaker 3: and keep this this particular kind of information. And because
Speaker 3: of that, we need to be mindful of what we
Speaker 3: allow into our brains because it's it comes through TV too,
Speaker 3: it comes through video games especially, which also promoting violence
Speaker 3: and pedophilia and is a form of mind control. It
Speaker 3: comes through computerization. We need to just pay attention to
Speaker 3: what we allow to go into our brilliant minds. Our
Speaker 3: our free thought is sacred and we need to start
Speaker 3: preserving the sanctity of it.
Speaker 2: Now, you were going over some of the applications for
Speaker 2: for mind control when it comes to what they're having
Speaker 2: people do in their lives, how they're controlling them. You
Speaker 2: mentioned the monarch and then the aspects of sexual control.
Speaker 2: What else for an individual basis are we looking at
Speaker 2: that they're that they're using mind control for what's the
Speaker 2: desired agendas and outcomes?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that brings to mind another basis
Speaker 3: of mind control. When my father sold me into the project,
Speaker 3: he was immediately flown to Boston, Massachusetts, where he was
Speaker 3: trained by Cardinal Law of the Catholic Church. That's the
Speaker 3: same Cardinal Law that was the head of the Catholic
Speaker 3: Child Abuse scandal that was finally exposed a few years
Speaker 3: back because of their sanctioning of pedophilia within the church.
Speaker 3: It's because they wanted to be the one world church
Speaker 3: in the New World Order, and they were allowing for
Speaker 3: the promotion of pedophilia. But as soon as my father returned,
Speaker 3: he had learned how to use the language of the
Speaker 3: subconscious NLP neural linguistic programming, which is something we all
Speaker 3: need to armor ourselves with. That's pertinent information because it
Speaker 3: manipulates our subconscious mind. And my father had a sixth
Speaker 3: grade education and he learned it in two weeks in Boston,
Speaker 3: you know, so it's not that complicated once we understand
Speaker 3: the basis of it. My father also started subjecting me
Speaker 3: to occult ritual. Catholic Church was heavily involved in MK
Speaker 3: ultra mind control and occult ritual that was like the
Speaker 3: Satanism was like a reversal of the Catholic Mass, and
Speaker 3: that horrible blood trauma is so horrifically traumatic that it
Speaker 3: leaves people wide open to being easily led through neural
Speaker 3: linguistic programming. We're seeing a lot of Satanism being sanctioned
Speaker 3: and a lot of Satanic images and attitudes being promoted,
Speaker 3: which definitely includes the pedaphileogy under the two merge very close.
Speaker 2: This is a very important aspect that you're bringing up
Speaker 2: because very important researchers are looking into some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: They hit the occult or satan worship or rituals and
Speaker 2: they stop and they're like, nah, this can't be and
Speaker 2: they just turn around. But this is one of the
Speaker 2: most important aspects. This is like a gateway to the
Speaker 2: real reality of what these sick people are into, and
Speaker 2: that is a dabbling in the occult and ritual magic.
Speaker 2: And you know, this has been multi generational for them too.
Speaker 2: And people don't like to look at the aspects that
Speaker 2: this is involved, and this is kind of where it
Speaker 2: throws the woo woo out. This is where people stop looking.
Speaker 2: But this is one of the most important parts because
Speaker 2: even if you don't believe in Satanism or these occult rituals,
Speaker 2: they certainly do and they are definitely participating right.
Speaker 3: Definitely, my primary mind control programmer was Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino,
Speaker 3: the founder of the Occult Temple as set proliferating on
Speaker 3: our military basis and when Mark Phillips was studying mind
Speaker 3: Sciences in the Psychological Warfare Division of the War College.
Speaker 3: Michael Aquino was there studying too on how to use
Speaker 3: Satanism to control the human mind. And it was my experience,
Speaker 3: my experience having been around a Quino, that he didn't
Speaker 3: believe in the power of satan per se. He believed
Speaker 3: in himself more to be able to manipulate people with
Speaker 3: blood trauma and murder and horrific you know, occultism. If
Speaker 3: he could convince them that it was beyond their realm
Speaker 3: to effect that it was you know, a theracal then
Speaker 3: then that would just make people, you know, completely submissive.
Speaker 3: And so that's why occultism is used that way. It's
Speaker 3: they actually can't touch the human spirit, they can't possess
Speaker 3: the human spirit because we have a safeguard mechanism there.
Speaker 3: It's like when I was being tortured so horrifically by
Speaker 3: people like Aquino, my spirit is always in a safe,
Speaker 3: loving space, you know. We hear how when people are
Speaker 3: like in an accident and see everything from above and
Speaker 3: there's like a light that connects them, you know, down
Speaker 3: below or whatever, and they're overseeing or whatever is That
Speaker 3: was my experience in MK ultra mind control. My spirit
Speaker 3: was always in a safe, loving space. So they can't
Speaker 3: possess the spirit, but they fear the human spirit because
Speaker 3: it's our strength. It's where we win, it's where they lose.
Speaker 3: It's the most powerful force in the universe. It's what
Speaker 3: allows us to stand up against them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's so it's such an amazing force that they wish
Speaker 3: they could possess it, but they can't because that would
Speaker 3: be like darkness creeping in on light. It doesn't work
Speaker 3: that way. It's just not the scientific formula. So whether
Speaker 3: they believe in it or whether they don't believe in it,
Speaker 3: the fact that I know from having been around these
Speaker 3: perpetrators in the swamp in Washington, d C. They are
Speaker 3: very low vibration. They're very dark. They're evil energy force
Speaker 3: that feeds off of negativity. They want to create division
Speaker 3: in society. They want to create hatred. They feed off that.
Speaker 3: They feed off the fear, They feed off the hate.
Speaker 3: That's what they want to generate. That is their vibration.
Speaker 3: That's what they want, you know. So when I started
Speaker 3: speaking out, when I regained my free thought in my
Speaker 3: free speech and was able to start exposing these perpetrators.
Speaker 3: It wasn't vengeance or hatred for them that did it.
Speaker 3: That compelled me. It was love for my own daughter.
Speaker 3: It was love for humanity. It was concerned about the
Speaker 3: plan that they had for humanity.
Speaker 1: So it was love.
Speaker 3: So I've always lived the love. I am always shine love.
Speaker 3: I live my strength of spirit, and I don't give
Speaker 3: them anymore of my fear. They don't get any more hate.
Speaker 3: They don't get any of that from me. They stole
Speaker 3: enough of that long. I am not giving them anymore,
Speaker 3: and I win, you know. So they only try to
Speaker 3: appear more powerful than they are. But the fact is
Speaker 3: they only have as much power as we give them,
Speaker 3: you know it. Stop giving them fear, Stop caving into hate,
Speaker 3: you know, stop letting them divide us, and rise above
Speaker 3: all that and start living our life's purpose. We're all
Speaker 3: here at this pivotal moment in time for a reason.
Speaker 3: You know this is this is an evolutionary time for humanity,
Speaker 3: and we all have a purpose for being here, and
Speaker 3: we need to live that purpose free above the storm,
Speaker 3: you know, away from the field, from their constant barrage.
Speaker 3: We have been able to rise above it with a
Speaker 3: great awakening to such a degree that they're like freaking out,
Speaker 3: they're going all in, but they're being pretty wicked and
Speaker 3: mean and violent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're definitely I want to talk more
Speaker 2: about this awakening and the grand plan that they're attempting
Speaker 2: to do. I want to talk about that a little later,
Speaker 2: but first I want to you You touched on this
Speaker 2: a little bit some of the aspects of mind control, uh,
Speaker 2: mind fracturing and creating of different personalities or what's called alters.
Speaker 2: Maybe you could talk a little bit about that and
Speaker 2: how fractured can a person's mind be and how many
Speaker 2: you know, kind of alternate personalities can be created.
Speaker 3: That that's an excellent question and ptist tiny heel, which
Speaker 3: has posted on my website, give some insight into the
Speaker 3: different aspects of my brain function like that in my
Speaker 3: particular case, I was subjected to systematic ritualized trauma, the
Speaker 3: systematic scientific formula that they have for creating like a
Speaker 3: food deprivation to starve the brain, because our brains starve first,
Speaker 3: you know which, when we look at how okay, the
Speaker 3: first thing they did when the schools said no, you're
Speaker 3: not going to be doing this pedophilogy and in the schools.
Speaker 3: The federal government stepped in and said, okay, we're taking
Speaker 3: away the Kids Left program. That's because they their brains
Speaker 3: starve first if they're hungry, So they use that kind
Speaker 3: of formula, and a very deliberate, torturous formula to create
Speaker 3: more and more and more compartments in the brain which
Speaker 3: can then be programmed through NLP neurolinguistic programming or the
Speaker 3: language of the subcon When my father had sexually abused
Speaker 3: me as an infant, the part of my brain that
Speaker 3: sectioned off every time my father would come to sexually
Speaker 3: abuse me again, that part of my brain would open
Speaker 3: back up to deal with his abuse again and again.
Speaker 3: Is needed. And in a child who's just subjected to
Speaker 3: various traumas, they do develop what appears to be personalities,
Speaker 3: and it's not multiple personalities. It's one personality that shattered
Speaker 3: into these different compartments and these different projections because that
Speaker 3: projection obviously was very sexual, because that's all that compartment knew. Well,
Speaker 3: when the government put in the systematic mk ultra programming,
Speaker 3: like what Lieutenant Colonel Michael Aquino was doing is taking
Speaker 3: the trigger of that compartment. You know, the trigger used
Speaker 3: to be my father's sexual abuse, and they would put
Speaker 3: a verbal trigger in there instead, so that could be
Speaker 3: activated with a hand signal, it could be activated with
Speaker 3: a harmonic tone, it could be activated with a word.
Speaker 3: And that kind of activation is something that is being
Speaker 3: used to activate a lot of programmed sleepers or shooters,
Speaker 3: you know, for when they're wanting to traumatize the nation
Speaker 3: with another school shooting or whatever. Then they're activated, the
Speaker 3: people are traumatized, they show it over and over and
Speaker 3: over on TV, and the then the subconscious mind is manipulated.
Speaker 3: And of course right now it's give up your guns,
Speaker 3: give up your.
Speaker 2: Why are interesting, No, you're right, it's definitely. One of
Speaker 2: the aspects I want to talk about is assassins and
Speaker 2: a lot of the staged events that we've seen in
Speaker 2: the past decade to disarm us.
Speaker 3: Just like you were saying, right, yes, it's been it's
Speaker 3: coming out us from a lot of different directions. And
Speaker 3: the gun ones like that are i think the most
Speaker 3: obvious and the most prolific and the strongest used. And
Speaker 3: yet there's also been a very slow erosion of a
Speaker 3: social engineering and the erosion of masculinity, and this gender
Speaker 3: confusion is another aspect of that and apprition of transgendering
Speaker 3: of effeminate men and men and women's sports and all like.
Speaker 3: This is to try to make the men more compliant
Speaker 3: because men have that, you know, that manliness that's going
Speaker 3: to stand up a little bit stronger. But they've been
Speaker 3: conditioned through the modification of hormones in our foods. We
Speaker 3: got to take back our foods from the pharmaceutical companies
Speaker 3: and get them out of our lives. We don't need that.
Speaker 3: We have amazing capabilities in our own bodies. Don't need
Speaker 3: them meddling with our food en handsing it and creating
Speaker 3: all these artificial foods to eat. And you know, we
Speaker 3: we need to know that men have been affected strongest
Speaker 3: because they need to get men to stand down and
Speaker 3: then turn over their guns. So there's coming at them
Speaker 3: from different ways. Of course, the so called feminist movement
Speaker 3: and everything else, which is just you know, an excuse.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I'm going to get in trouble
Speaker 3: with a lot of people if I just keep going
Speaker 3: in a certain year.
Speaker 2: But this is all true. We need to hear it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's being socially engineered from a lot
Speaker 3: of shoes, and we need to be aware of that
Speaker 3: and start supporting the genetics that we're born with and
Speaker 3: the masculinity. You know, it's not toxic, it's it's something
Speaker 3: that that's just needed in society. We need this balance.
Speaker 3: We need it, We need it around us in so
Speaker 3: many ways. But most of all, we need to hang
Speaker 3: onto our guns. They want to take them away really bad.
Speaker 3: And wherever people don't have guns is where the most
Speaker 3: violence is. Look at the cities that have gun control laws.
Speaker 3: That's where the violence in the US is. It's the Chicagos,
Speaker 3: you know. We need to pay attention to that and
Speaker 3: realize that they have no purpose in taking away our
Speaker 3: guns other than to make us more helpless and submissive
Speaker 3: to what they have planned for us. Because what they
Speaker 3: have planned for us is horrific. We are just seeing
Speaker 3: in the beginning of it. They are they have no
Speaker 3: limits to the amount of trauma and pain that they
Speaker 3: would inflict and generate, because again, that is their energy,
Speaker 3: that is their vibration, is what they need in order
Speaker 3: to succeed and keep us compliant. We need to stop complying.
Speaker 3: We just need to stop applying.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they could either be compromised and blackmailed into it,
Speaker 3: or they're put in through rigged elections. And that's something
Speaker 3: that I think we all got a strong taste of
Speaker 3: when mind control mass is a virus was unleashed on
Speaker 3: the global population to create the trauma so that they
Speaker 3: could move forward with their global reset, new World order,
Speaker 3: slave society where a handful of big guys make all
Speaker 3: the money, those of us who survive do all the work.
Speaker 3: That's the plan, that's what they're moving towards. So when
Speaker 3: that happened and they stole elections twenty twenty sublatantly and
Speaker 3: then locked up anybody who said anything against it, you know,
Speaker 3: and censored him and take him off their controlled media,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it was just as ridiculous what's
Speaker 3: being done in that way. And yet my nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: five testimony Transformation of America detailed who the plant, what
Speaker 3: the plan was of who was going to be in
Speaker 3: the office of president. It was be kept in the
Speaker 3: Bush Clinton dynasties until Hillary Clinton ushered in the New
Speaker 3: World Order twenty sixteen didn't happen that way, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's because people are waking up that we need
Speaker 3: to pay attention to the fact that these electronic voting
Speaker 3: machines which came in in the wake of the Kennedy assassination,
Speaker 3: you know, and like I'm saying before, that's when this
Speaker 3: global agenda took a stronghold on America, traumatized the nation.
Speaker 3: They came into controlled media. You know, you look at
Speaker 3: and Gerald Ford was heavily involved. That's why I have
Speaker 3: such an up close personal thing on that. And the
Speaker 3: electronic voting machine came in right after that. And I
Speaker 3: haven't been around these perpetrators in Washington, be I can
Speaker 3: guarantee you they did worried one bit about elections because
Speaker 3: they are going to be placed placed in position through
Speaker 3: these rigged elections because they were so willing to be
Speaker 3: a part of this agenda. So we need to pay
Speaker 3: attention to that. We've got to clean up our elections.
Speaker 3: We need to get back to paper ballots, monitor them.
Speaker 3: Know that this isn't a conspiracy theory, you know, check
Speaker 3: the machines, that the evidence is there. You know, We've
Speaker 3: got all the evidence. We've got an eroded justice system
Speaker 3: that has been compromised for a long long time. We've
Speaker 3: got an FBI gestapo willing to lock up people who
Speaker 3: are standing for their children or for their freedoms, you know,
Speaker 3: And we need to just realize that we share this
Speaker 3: planet with some very evil people with a very dark
Speaker 3: and then it's inexcusable that we allow them to meddle
Speaker 3: in our minds and lives anymore. All we need to
Speaker 3: do is just know the truth that makes us free.
Speaker 3: Knowledge is our defense against mind control. We need to
Speaker 3: arm ourselves with knowledge above all and have that information
Speaker 3: so that we can effectively start taking back our personal
Speaker 3: and national sovereignty and restoring justice system and be able
Speaker 3: to live the lives that we were meant to live
Speaker 3: and step terror nonsense that we're being imposed on us
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: If people can't realize the evil being perpetrated, they have
Speaker 2: their heads so far either in the sand or weigh
Speaker 2: up their asses, either one that you know, they're not
Speaker 2: seeing the truth here. But I am very hopeful to
Speaker 2: seeing the amount of people that do see and that
Speaker 2: are awakening during this time. So that's where my hope
Speaker 2: is coming from right now, if we can kind of
Speaker 2: collective get past this. But tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about what was the result of your test testimony for
Speaker 2: the US Congressional permits permanent select committees on intelligence oversight.
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing national security evoked on my testimony, and the
Speaker 3: whole thing was censored. The people in power at the
Speaker 3: time were the very ones named in Trance. So at
Speaker 3: that time Mark and I put it in book form
Speaker 3: and released it to all members of Congress anyway, and
Speaker 3: the watchdog groups, you know, the ones that were supposed
Speaker 3: to be watching out for our justice and everything else.
Speaker 3: And we put it out that way, and that actually
Speaker 3: helped keep us alive. We had people like US Customs,
Speaker 3: the head of US Customs, William Vaughn Robb, you know,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, what a hero to the American people
Speaker 3: he was that he had validated the information and also
Speaker 3: helped get it out to the order guards and all
Speaker 3: because it's border guards are seeing so much of the
Speaker 3: human ethicking and drug ops and every time they make
Speaker 3: a bus, national security is invoked on it. And so
Speaker 3: the information just got out there well because national security
Speaker 3: was invoked on it in open court, in my daughter's hase,
Speaker 3: then then I would be able to keep speaking out
Speaker 3: on anything that was validated by the clean members of
Speaker 3: law enforcement and intelligence community, secret Service or whatever. In
Speaker 3: transformation of America and the perpetrators named could not sue
Speaker 3: me because of National Security Act in the way. And
Speaker 3: at the same time, here's the kicker. It was suppressed
Speaker 3: completely for media from publicage and continues to be The
Speaker 3: National Security Act is being used to cover some horrific
Speaker 3: times against humanity. It's just a blanket of secrecy that
Speaker 3: came in with Project paper Clip. And you know, we
Speaker 3: need to be aware that that when Project paper Clip
Speaker 3: came in with their agenda and the CIA was formed
Speaker 3: to enhance it. When the CIA was formed, so too
Speaker 3: was National Security. So that was it's made it very
Speaker 3: very difficult. Mark and I spoke out on a global
Speaker 3: scale trending us information to light. It was to help
Speaker 3: my daughter in her situation. The FBI was testifying it's
Speaker 3: my traffic daughter, and it was absolutely horrific what was
Speaker 3: being done. So we did all we could to bring
Speaker 3: information to light. And wherever we spoke, wherever in the
Speaker 3: world we were, there was FEDS in the back of
Speaker 3: the room making sure we didn't say one thing that
Speaker 3: wasn't in the testimony, that we didn't assert a perception
Speaker 3: that we didn't incite revolution, or we never did. We
Speaker 3: were always proponents of evolution. You know that we need
Speaker 3: to evolve with the knowledge, and you know again knowledge
Speaker 3: is our defense against mind control, and that's the evolution
Speaker 3: step that's needed around the world right now. We don't
Speaker 3: need a revolution. There's only a handful of them. There's
Speaker 3: really not much to fight Nightguard. We need to evolve
Speaker 3: to be able to thank fans stop complying with their
Speaker 3: dark agendats absurd that we comply with that at all.
Speaker 2: It is, it is very absurd. Well, speaking of the
Speaker 2: dark agendas, and let's talk about the desired end game
Speaker 2: for these scumbag psycho paths and what has been happening,
Speaker 2: you know, especially since twenty twenty. It's been happening our
Speaker 2: whole lives. It's been happening our whole existence. As long
Speaker 2: as these guys have been in power, wherever it's hundreds
Speaker 2: or thousands of years, we've always been subjected to their
Speaker 2: mind control. But something special happened in twenty twenty to
Speaker 2: where it's like they're you know, ramping up this grand
Speaker 2: plan to have total domination in control over the planet
Speaker 2: and along with other you know, if nefarious agenda's attached
Speaker 2: to it, which i'd like to get your take.
Speaker 3: Well, twenty sixteen is really what made the difference, because
Speaker 3: so many people were awake and aware then that the
Speaker 3: sheer numbers overrulled the algorithm of the rigged electronic voting machines.
Speaker 3: Then sheer numbers actually just you know, cave that in
Speaker 3: and put in a president that the people elected who
Speaker 3: was going to represent we the people and stand strong
Speaker 3: for our sovereignty. This when Trump went, it was in
Speaker 3: my experience back in mid eighties that these perpetrators feared
Speaker 3: him back then because I had to do. I was
Speaker 3: carrying out an operation in Atlantic City at the at
Speaker 3: one of the casinos that Trump owned, and there was
Speaker 3: a chance I might have run into and I was
Speaker 3: told he's not one of us. And a fact that
Speaker 3: I was told somebody's not one of us that was
Speaker 3: do or die. If I had anything to do with
Speaker 3: that person, I would be killed. So that's how important
Speaker 3: that was. Then they were afraid of him. Then they
Speaker 3: knew he was against human trafficking, they knew he was
Speaker 3: against drug ops and their New World Order agenda. Back then.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't see Trump, didn't meet him, don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, this is just all I know right there,
Speaker 3: and I also knew that people wanted him in in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton was supposed to be put in place.
Speaker 3: That was how it was rigged, That's what was supposed
Speaker 3: to happen. They couldn't believe it when you have that,
Speaker 3: when you look at that and see what happened when
Speaker 3: when Trump won, I mean, they freaked out, They totally
Speaker 3: felt they just they triggered violence. They just went all in.
Speaker 3: And ever since then, we've had a good expose while
Speaker 3: Trump was in on the human trafficking operations, you know,
Speaker 3: when he started building the wall and closing border to
Speaker 3: the human trafficking and exposing the pedophile agenda and all
Speaker 3: like that, that's amazing that was accomplished. That opened a
Speaker 3: lot of eyes, so that by the time twenty twenty
Speaker 3: came around, you know, we we we definitely, I mean
Speaker 3: we we did elect them again, but that didn't matter
Speaker 3: because they stole blatantly stole the elections right right in
Speaker 3: front of us. I've had people say, how did the
Speaker 3: how do US uh you know international question, how do
Speaker 3: US votes go down instead of up? Okay, we were
Speaker 3: watching that night and they were just going down on you,
Speaker 3: and it was like, well, that's just that's because it
Speaker 3: was rigged by the media and and everything else at
Speaker 3: that time. So the elections were were blatantly stolen, and
Speaker 3: they had four years to make up for They have
Speaker 3: one hundred year plan. They were at the end of it.
Speaker 3: Hillary was supposed to bring in this new world order
Speaker 3: and it was supposed to go smooth. It didn't through
Speaker 3: a monkey wrench. And and ever since, here we are.
Speaker 3: You know, they're exposing themselves at every turn. We see
Speaker 3: what they're doing. Their wizard curtain has been pulled back.
Speaker 3: We see exactly who's behind there, what they're doing. Follow
Speaker 3: the money, you know, follow the science. It will take
Speaker 3: you the same people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Follow the money, and and look at the trauma that
Speaker 3: is being used for mind control purposes, because mind control
Speaker 3: MK ultra mind control is their ultimate weapons system for
Speaker 3: ushering in their slave society agenda. They're freaking out. See
Speaker 3: what they're doing. They're just proceeding anyway. We catch them
Speaker 3: and lie after lie after lie. They don't care. They
Speaker 3: just keep going. They don't It doesn't matter if they
Speaker 3: have a handful that's still listening. They want to see
Speaker 3: how much they can divide us, and you know, keep
Speaker 3: people compliant through the traumas and then repeating the same
Speaker 3: narrative over and over and over. Repetition is a form
Speaker 3: of mind control, now is this? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, we they have claims by our our three
Speaker 2: letter agencies that you know, all mk ultra projects were
Speaker 2: discontinued and we know that's bold. Uh how how involved
Speaker 2: with you know, not only mind control on the like
Speaker 2: we were just talking about, but still targeting individuals for
Speaker 2: things like uh, you know, the the honeypot like assassinations,
Speaker 2: like being a celebrity type of Menchurian candidate. You know,
Speaker 2: how prevalent do you think this is still in these
Speaker 2: modern times?
Speaker 3: Extremely provabent? You know, and look at Epstein Island, you
Speaker 3: know that is a great example there because the human
Speaker 3: trafficking ops that I was forced to work back in
Speaker 3: the in the eighties, which already lay aground work for
Speaker 3: all that out of sac Thomas and Haiti, the Clinton
Speaker 3: uh trafficking ops and drug ops were running through there,
Speaker 3: and it's a funding mechanism. So they've got a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of people targeted on so many levels
Speaker 3: like that. And then you know, again mind controls the
Speaker 3: sliding scale to information control and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people that don't have that one piece of the puzzle
Speaker 3: necessary for putting all the pieces together, you know, to
Speaker 3: pulling in the big picture to see exactly going on.
Speaker 3: It's hard for him to do when they're working, you know,
Speaker 3: two or three jobs just to get food on the
Speaker 3: table or put gas in their car. You know, it's
Speaker 3: it's really hard on people to do that. So then
Speaker 3: barding them with repetitive information keeps them more you know,
Speaker 3: more compliant, and that is a form of MK ultra
Speaker 3: mind control right there. So it's it's massive, it's extensive,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely definitely lost its grip. We're by far
Speaker 3: the majority people who are awake and aware and rising
Speaker 3: above this nonsense are by far the majority. But we
Speaker 3: need to get more people on board. We need to
Speaker 3: arm them with the ability to reclaim and maintain free
Speaker 3: thought because you know, it's anytime trauma occurs, we need
Speaker 3: to safeguard our think. You know, pick up a pen
Speaker 3: and right that was that was the primary main thing
Speaker 3: that Mark Phillips taught me that was kept from the population.
Speaker 3: It's just the importance of moving on. What that does
Speaker 3: is it shifts information or to logic part of the
Speaker 3: brain where it's critically analyzed, it's processed in a different
Speaker 3: way because it takes that part of the brain to
Speaker 3: move a pan not tight, it doesn't work the same way.
Speaker 3: It's the moving of a pen. And that's why they
Speaker 3: took it out of the school system too, because they
Speaker 3: don't want our kids critically analyzing information. They just want
Speaker 3: pump information in their head. They want to teach them
Speaker 3: what to think, not how to think. You know, and
Speaker 3: this is an important component of how to think that
Speaker 3: we all can use it, all should use every single day.
Speaker 3: I still do, you know, just vent out what the
Speaker 3: fear is, vent out what you're being bombarded with negatively,
Speaker 3: and then add a solution. When you add a solution
Speaker 3: and I spell su l. When you add a solution,
Speaker 3: then you're opening around pathways in your brain above and
Speaker 3: beyond the repetition programming or the trauma. It lifts you
Speaker 3: above that. It makes your brain fire and new directions.
Speaker 3: That empowers. Negativity is immobilizing, and we need to be
Speaker 3: able to respond to what's going on. The ability to
Speaker 3: respond responsibility, it's a beautiful thing, you know. It's a
Speaker 3: conscious awareness and picking up a pen gives us that
Speaker 3: and empowers us to be able to start making a difference.
Speaker 3: Protect our own children, get out in our community, secure election,
Speaker 3: and make sure we have a good sheriff that we
Speaker 3: can rely on on our sheriff as us line of
Speaker 3: defense against federal overreach. It's in our constitution. They're amazing
Speaker 3: the power they have, so make sure that we have
Speaker 3: a good sheriff. Make sure your sheriff knows his power.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. CSPOA dot org is really empowering a lot
Speaker 3: of sheriffs right now to stand up and make a difference.
Speaker 3: But it begins with picking up a pen. You know,
Speaker 3: something as simple as that. Write a letter to your sheriff,
Speaker 3: write a letter to your congressman or whatever. Write it
Speaker 3: on paper first, then type it so they read it.
Speaker 3: But you know, still do it on paper first because
Speaker 3: it's so important to be able to activate that part
Speaker 3: of our brains. Again, that is only one simple thing
Speaker 3: of the simple things that are in PTSD. Time to
Speaker 3: heal that everybody can apply to their own lives to
Speaker 3: be empowered going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk a little bit more that while we're
Speaker 2: discussing solutions for people, you know, like we recommended throughout this.
Speaker 2: You have to remove yourself from these situations, not participate
Speaker 2: in the trauma and mind control, and there's there's many
Speaker 2: different ways of doing that. What do you think the
Speaker 2: answers are on an individual level for people to kind
Speaker 2: of start breaking free. I know they've done such a
Speaker 2: wonderful job through the media, through social media, through movies
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, even destroying regular relationships, the family unit, relationships
Speaker 2: between men and women. I mean, there's ridiculous expectations between
Speaker 2: relationships between men and women a lot at the time
Speaker 2: due to the mind can program that they've received from
Speaker 2: Hollywood or the you know, any movies or even social
Speaker 2: media now and that's even being warped even more with
Speaker 2: the direction that they're taking it with the you know,
Speaker 2: the pedophilia, all the other things we were talking about. Yes,
Speaker 2: So what do you think are the bests for people
Speaker 2: like removing themselves from that, not being not watching TV
Speaker 2: here than media, not participating in their agendas, and probably
Speaker 2: just becoming as most self sufficient and whole as possible. Right,
Speaker 2: what other solutions can we offer?
Speaker 3: Yes, we're the nutrition and plenty of plenty of sleep
Speaker 3: because they want to keep us working, so how we
Speaker 3: don't get enough sleep. That sleep deprivation is a part
Speaker 3: of MK ultra mind control. Get out in nature, Breathe
Speaker 3: the air, reattached to the earth. Mother Nature nurtures, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful thing. And now we're told to fear nature,
Speaker 3: you know, like fear. Oh my gosh. You know, it's
Speaker 3: the environed mutal onslaught that we're under right now. Mother
Speaker 3: Nature is resilient, you know, just like the strength of
Speaker 3: the human spirit, and we need to just start taking
Speaker 3: care of it by caring. That's how you do. Get
Speaker 3: out in nature. Listen to the birds, Listen to nature
Speaker 3: intercommunicating with each other. Breathe in the air. You know,
Speaker 3: that's an important one right there, because when won't get
Speaker 3: sufficient oxygen to our brain, it inhibits critical analysis and
Speaker 3: free thought. That's why they're so hell bent unmasking the kids,
Speaker 3: you know, and get the mask on the kids, keep
Speaker 3: it on the kids in the schools. You know, that's
Speaker 3: that's got to stop when people understand what masks actually
Speaker 3: do and why they're used in MK ultru mind control.
Speaker 3: My own daughter was trafficked in a mask.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Look at Michael Jesson, he had he had turned thirty
Speaker 3: and you know, had some some things that were leaking.
Speaker 3: They wanted to silent him through that process and put
Speaker 3: a mask on it. And he wore a mask everywhere,
Speaker 3: so he felt like he didn't have a voice. And
Speaker 3: that's what it does. It muffles our voice, inhibits oxygen
Speaker 3: to the brain necessary for critical analysis, free thought, and
Speaker 3: depersonalizes the same way that all this gender confusion, non
Speaker 3: sense depersonalizes. They want to depersonalize to stop individuality, soul expression, strength,
Speaker 3: as you know, it goes right back to that same thing.
Speaker 3: So when we become aware of that, you know, go
Speaker 3: out breathe some mayor you know, inhale it deeply. Pat
Speaker 3: your dog, you know, that's another one. You know, just
Speaker 3: their pets are amazing. There unconditional love, you know, take
Speaker 3: them for a while. It just it's really it's really
Speaker 3: good to to enjoy pets as well. So, you know,
Speaker 3: those are just a few small things that we can
Speaker 3: do that really help us stay grounded and rejuvenated. It's
Speaker 3: something I live by. I do it every day. We
Speaker 3: have to take time for ourselves in order to have
Speaker 3: time to give others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you said you believe that more people are
Speaker 2: actually on the side of good, are actually waking up
Speaker 2: that are not participating anymore. That is extremely you know,
Speaker 2: most people won't be able to tell that, because, especially
Speaker 2: if you're just paying attention to what the media is
Speaker 2: telling you, they're going to stay outside. So you have
Speaker 2: to get out there and individually connect with people like
Speaker 2: you and I are doing like I do everything, and
Speaker 2: that is how you can see where most people are
Speaker 2: coming from. And I happen to believe too that most
Speaker 2: people are on the side of reasonable thinking and not
Speaker 2: mangenocide and mind control. So you know, I do have
Speaker 2: hope that we are going in the right direction as
Speaker 2: a collective.
Speaker 3: Yes, we are on a global scale. It's exciting because
Speaker 3: it's like knowledge is our defense against mind control, and
Speaker 3: I certainly gained that knowledge. So I saw it being
Speaker 3: imposed all around. I saw all the components of MK
Speaker 3: ultra being imposed. I see them now. You know, haven't
Speaker 3: been around those perpetrators. I know how they think, and
Speaker 3: it's shallow and it's wicked and it's mean. But they're
Speaker 3: so free out right now that that's evidence in itself,
Speaker 3: the fact that they know that people are waking up
Speaker 3: and so they're imposing more and more trauma. We need
Speaker 3: to make it through this curve and strengthen each other
Speaker 3: and shut off their media voice and shut off the
Speaker 3: TV and get away from that. That's a very important
Speaker 3: aspect of it. But I could see mind control because
Speaker 3: of my knowledge. I can see their reactions because of
Speaker 3: havn't been around them for all those years. And I
Speaker 3: also it was my experience to heal and to wake
Speaker 3: up from mind control. And when I first woke up
Speaker 3: from mind control, I felt so insane. And right now,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody is like, oh my gosh, this world
Speaker 3: is so crazy. It all looks so insane. It is,
Speaker 3: you know, all that part what they're doing insane. But
Speaker 3: we're gaining our sanity, our clarity, our free thought and
Speaker 3: moving forward. And so I'm seeing this huge, great awakening happening.
Speaker 3: And as people reclaim their free thought and their strength
Speaker 3: and spirit, know, they're getting out in their communities, they're
Speaker 3: talking with each other, they're they're making a difference or
Speaker 3: standing up for their values again, and they're not really
Speaker 3: as concerned with what these globalists think they're imposing on
Speaker 3: us as they are to just restructure their lives, grow
Speaker 3: their own food, you know, and get their own nutrition,
Speaker 3: make sure their kids are protected, and you know. So
Speaker 3: there's a huge movement that direction, and it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: thing to see. It's easy for me to smile all
Speaker 3: the time because I see this happening. I've been watching
Speaker 3: it progress through the nineties to the point where we
Speaker 3: are today, watching people wake up on a global scale,
Speaker 3: and it's an exciting time to be alive. You know,
Speaker 3: when we realized that we're just in this curve and
Speaker 3: real seeing for the first time people are seeing look
Speaker 3: so horrific. It's been going on my whole life. They're
Speaker 3: just finally seeing it. And awareness is the first step
Speaker 3: towards positive, necessary change. You know, it's not so bad
Speaker 3: seeing it. We just need to realize this has been
Speaker 3: going on a long time that and and uproot it
Speaker 3: all the way to its its roots to be able
Speaker 3: to stop this nonsense from affecting us and creeping in
Speaker 3: on our lives any further.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, as far as Trump goes, or any politician
Speaker 2: or person in that high of a position of power goes,
Speaker 2: I remain agnostic. I don't I still don't trust anyone,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, I don't trust Trump, But I
Speaker 2: do appreciate the information that you're bringing forward and your
Speaker 2: your thoughts about Trump. I think it adds and lets
Speaker 2: people make their own decisions about it. I'm going to
Speaker 2: remain agnostic at this point, but I do appreciate the information,
Speaker 2: and I want to know do you think there are
Speaker 2: indeed good guys at high levels that are working behind
Speaker 2: the scenes to correct this.
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's good and bad in everything. But I also
Speaker 3: agree with what said because I'm not. We need to
Speaker 3: govern our own linds. We need to govern our own lives.
Speaker 3: We need to get back to the lower levels to
Speaker 3: be able to there's something pressures there. We've got to
Speaker 3: get big government went out of our lives. We need
Speaker 3: that anymore. We were shown a lot through Trump, and
Speaker 3: I certainly do not agree with everything about Trump. Why
Speaker 3: would I. He's a person. You know, that's not fair,
Speaker 3: that's just not a We shouldn't do that to anybody.
Speaker 3: And when with these politicians in that position and then
Speaker 3: let them live our lives, what are we doing? You know,
Speaker 3: that's just a ridiculous thing. Altogether. We need to govern
Speaker 3: our own minds, govern our own lives, pay attention to
Speaker 3: who is in office by secure elections from a local level,
Speaker 3: you know, on up. That's that's extremely important. I'm forever
Speaker 3: grateful that Trump opens so many eyes to human trafficking,
Speaker 3: to the pedophile agunda, to mind control. I'm grateful that
Speaker 3: he was able to stand up against the onslaught of
Speaker 3: these wicked, horrible perpetrators and not cave into mind control
Speaker 3: himself from the traumas that he and his family were
Speaker 3: subjected to. So I'm grateful for that, But I don't
Speaker 3: have to take it any further than that. Why, you know,
Speaker 3: he empowered us. You know, we are empowered, and if
Speaker 3: people don't feel Key empowered them, then they need to
Speaker 3: reclaim empower another direction, whatever it is. We are aware now,
Speaker 3: and awareness is towards positive, necessary change, and we need
Speaker 3: to stop ruin leaders that we didn't elect.
Speaker 2: Right, And you do believe that there are other people
Speaker 2: like Mark these out there that are kind of leading
Speaker 2: the charge against this.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are many people, good people in hot positions.
Speaker 3: They don't get voice anymore then, you know then than
Speaker 3: some of us, do you know? They they need to
Speaker 3: get on your show, you know, they need to have
Speaker 3: you amplify their voice to get it out there for
Speaker 3: them too, because they're being shut down anytime they try
Speaker 3: to take a stand too. But yeah, there's there's there's
Speaker 3: really good people well in touch and the ones who
Speaker 3: genuinely want to redore our national sovereignty, our constitutional values
Speaker 3: of freedom and justice for all. You know, that's that's
Speaker 3: what's that's what's beautiful, and that's our own personal responsibility
Speaker 3: to when we find out who we are on the
Speaker 3: base core energy of our being and gather that strength
Speaker 3: of human spirit and live the love we are. Love
Speaker 3: is the most powerful force, and you reverse, strength of
Speaker 3: the human spirit is infinite power for it. That is
Speaker 3: what these perpetrators fear most. That's because it's where we
Speaker 3: win where they lose. We need to claim our victory
Speaker 3: and then choose our path forward with wisdom and realize
Speaker 3: that politicians are just as vulnerable to mind control, technological
Speaker 3: and otherwise as any of us are. And that's something
Speaker 3: really important to be aware of and stop allowing for
Speaker 3: such big government influence on our lives. What are they
Speaker 3: doing in our school system anyway? You know what happened
Speaker 3: to pta parent teacher association where the parents went in
Speaker 3: and said, you can I teach my child you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, we need that back on everybody education system.
Speaker 2: Mind control is a whole other show we'd have to do,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you so much, Kathy.
Speaker 2: This was fantastic. I love the funnel thoughts you put
Speaker 2: in there. How before you head out, how can people
Speaker 2: find your documentary, your books if they want to get
Speaker 2: in touch with you, social media, all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: All of it really is found on my website trance
Speaker 3: dashformation dot com. That's t R a n c E
Speaker 3: hyphen Formation dot com. And the link to my movie
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Speaker 3: the nation, really the world. It it empowers with a
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Speaker 3: financial control, so it has the you know, the option
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Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, thank you so much, thank you for coming
Speaker 2: out with this information, thank you for your strength, and
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on today. This was
Speaker 2: fantastic and I would definitely love to speak with you
Speaker 2: again in the future.
Speaker 3: I hope so I look forward to it. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much. I appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kathy. All Right, till next time, everyone, have
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